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Mother: Episodes 2-10 (Open Thread)

We’ve decided that it’s better late than never to chime in on a show that’s been so gripping from its opening minutes, and tvN’s currently airing Wednesday-Thursday drama, Mother, is definitely a worthy comeback for Lee Bo-young after the bad taste left in my mouth from last year’s Whisper.

The thing that satisfies me most about this show is how totally centered it is on women. The array and richness of personalities, the relationships—expected and unexpected—all combine to create a lived-in world of depth and texture.

As with Misty, hopefully we’ll be posting weekly threads for the show’s remaining run. I hope you guys will weigh in with your thoughts so far, and your speculations for what’s to come!

 
EPISODES 2-10 WEECAP

We left off Episode 1 with Soo-jin (Lee Bo-young) discovering young Hye-na (Heo Yool) in the trash, and a lot has happened in the episodes between, so let’s catch up quickly. Soo-jin leaves the town of Mooryung with Hye-na and goes on the run. Hye-na chooses a new name for herself, YOON-BOK, so that’s what we’ll call her from now on.

Soo-jin was due to leave the country anyway, but to take Yoon-bok with her, she needs help, which takes her to her (adoptive) mom in Seoul. Her mom, Madam Cha, hasn’t seen her for ten years and, unknown to Soo-jin, was just diagnosed with terminal cancer (she finds out later).

Mom promises the money only if Soo-jin meets with her ten times, and she even manages to squeeze in a little matchmaking with her cute bird-watching physician, DR. JUNG (Lee Jae-yoon).

The extended stay sets off a whole chain of events, including Dr. Jung learning Yoon-bok’s real identity, and Soo-jin discovering that the creepy neighborhood barber, a woman called NAM HONG-HEE, is actually her birth mother who abandoned her at an orphanage when she was eight. It turns out that Hong-hee had killed her husband (for hurting Soo-jin), and had left Soo-jin to go to prison.

The family eventually discovers Yoon-bok’s existence and assumes she’s Soo-jin’s biological daughter until Yoon-bok’s birth mom, Ja-young (Go Sung-hee), shows up on their doorstep.

Soo-jin convinces the birth mom to leave Yoon-bok with her, but when her family finds out that she abducted the girl, Madam Cha takes the decision to remove Soo-jin from the family register.

Afraid that Soo-jin will lose her family, Yoon-bok runs away, which very nearly leads to her being caught by Seol-ak, her mother Ja-young’s murderous boyfriend who’s been on their tail. Luckily, Soo-jin gets to her in the nick of time. They try to flee abroad according to the original plan, but the police are onto Soo-jin and she very narrowly avoids being caught at the airport.

Still determined to leave the country somehow, she goes on the run with birth mother Hong-hee to seek sea-passage. But just as they’re due to leave, Seol-ak catches Yoon-bok alone and abducts her, leaving behind a distraught Soo-jin.

 
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With the first half of this show spent establishing the relationship between Soo-jin and Yoon-bok, the second half—the separation phase—really carries a painful and intense emotional punch. Different dangers close in on the two of them, and for Soo-jin, it’s not so much her imminent capture by the police but how that capture will prevent her from finding Yoon-bok. Has a villain ever been quite as chilling as Seol-ak, with his dead eyes and lazy lip-curl? I feel so much dread every time he’s on the screen, and I’m right there with Yoon-bok when she opens that door and sees his face.

Mother-daughter conversations really are the highlight of this show, whichever mother-daughter pair it is. I find it intriguing that as we go along, you increasingly realize that the “Mother” of the show’s title is not at all a specific or exclusive reference to Soo-jin, but about what makes a mother, and whether every woman who gives birth to a child has the right to be a mother, or if you can ever be a mother without giving birth.

I think we are continuously asking and answering both questions, but where it’s a fairly straightforward case in the Ja-young/Hye-na/Soo-jin triangle, it’s a much more fraught question in the case of Soo-jin, Madam Cha, and Hong-hee. Both Soo-jin and Hong-hee are women of few words, so it’s hard to know what they’re thinking until they speak. I think it was good for Soo-jin that Madam Cha forced her to finally express her feelings as her daughter. Soo-jin, in turn, has a similar effect on Hong-hee, who is even more reserved.

I was a little shocked by Madam Cha’s response to finding out that Yoon-bok wasn’t Soo-jin’s birth-daughter. For the woman who said all her girls were her real daughters, regardless of blood, it feels wrong that she discriminates with Yoon-bok. They seem like words Madam Cha is saying to herself for her own sake, but it’s a cruel thing to say to a child, that you can’t love them anymore, particularly after you’ve already given that love, and particularly if the child is as sensitive and abused as Yoon-bok—a thing I’m certain Madam Cha senses after finding out her real identity. Even though Yoon-bok doesn’t expect that love and has never taken it for granted, it doesn’t protect her from being hurt by their rejection.

That’s why I’m grateful that it was so wholly offset by Soo-jin’s declaration to her when they reunite: that their bond is not just equal, but coming at equal cost; both of them have given up everything for each other. As an abused and neglected child, Yoon-bok’s learned instinct is to take the blame and see herself as the problem.

What Soo-jin wants to transmit to her so desperately is that she’s not alone in this—they’re in it together, and Yoon-bok doesn’t need to, nay, must not attempt to shoulder these burdens alone. I really loved how the first thing Soo-jin said to Yoon-bok about that was that she was a scientist, because it’s true—being a scientist is a way of life and it becomes a habit to factor in all the data and its permutations for any decision. Thus, her decisions are a result of careful consideration, not impulse.

Though the men are largely satellite characters in this drama, their characterizations are as absorbing as the women’s. The show does not provide a natural ground for shipping, but I confess I ship Dr. Jung with Soo-jin really hard. Not for the simple sake of a loveline, but because I love who he is—his capacity for nuance and how he makes his own moral choices in such a deeply considered way—and how he is to her. That’s the draw of a man who is as unshakable as that. It’s not surface charm or allure, it’s just plain quiet goodness. He’s continually proven that he is steadfast and dependable, and I will always, always fall for a man who is (or was) good to his mother.

One of the most fascinating about this drama is how it addresses its central dilemma of Soo-jin’s role: Is she kidnapper or rescuer? It’s more fascinating because there actually is no moral dilemma here at all: There’s no question that Soo-jin absolutely did the right thing by rescuing Hye-na from certain death. The dilemma, however, is a legal one, and the law demands satisfaction. Right now, it’s presented as an implacable force, defining Soo-jin’s actions as a crime based on technicalities, even if judged on a humane basis, it would be the very opposite.

The detective on the case, LEE CHANG-GEUN (Jo Han-chul), is the one being forced to confront this dilemma, and I’m glad that he’s really struggling with it. It was especially rewarding to see when he met with the kindergarten teacher who interviewed Yoon-bok, and she showed him the video, actually pointing out how Yoon-bok lit up when she talked about Soo-jin and called her her mother. If the objective of the law is to protect the welfare of the child first, then where does that leave Soo-jin?

With every new bit of information that comes to light, you can see him getting a little more shaken, a little more doubtful. As a law enforcement officer, he’s not trained to look for the nuance in a crime like child abduction, but the situation keeps forcing him to admit it, if only barely to himself. I’m pretty sure he’s due for a moment of truth soon, and I’m really invested in seeing how that will play out.

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Thank you so much, Saya 💖💖 I love this show and loved reading your thoughts on it!

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What a pleasant surprise!
Thanks for coming through guys 💖

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I haven't watched ep. 9-10 yet, but there's something I wanted to say about the show in general.

I really like how this "kidnapping" played out from having Soojin being the solely responsible person for it, to having others being complicit in the act... either implicitly or explicitly.
I think, for the narrative of the story, it's clever to have the parallel between Soojin's dilemma and the dilemma of other characters being in on her situation... I really like that the show went there.

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Yay! Thank you for creating this thread for us. I love this show. Am very antsy about how the cliffhanger is going to be resolved. Very worried about Yoon-bok. Only 12 more hours until I will have a chance to watch the next episode . . .

One of the things I love about this show is all the Mother imagery. The matryoshka dolls and the Virgin statues. They just add into the exploration of what it means to be a mother, and the different types of mothers.

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I'm hereeeeee! I really enjoy this show! Knew it was going to be an unpeaceful ride, but I followed through. I agree that this show, is not just about Soojin being a mother, but how the other side characters are a mother. Like Soojin's birth and adoptive mom, Yoonbok's real mom, and Yijin's stand on being a mom.

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Saya <33333333333333333333. Thank you so so much!!!

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Yeaay ! Mother's thread ! Thanks @Saya 😄
It's the only airing drama which I'm being emotionally attached to now. I like all of the characters in it, especially how they portrayed all kind of mother (Soo Jin, Cha Young Shin, Soo Jin's biological mother, Hye Na's mother, Ms. Clara at the orphanage, the twin's mother). Even the implicit romance between Soo Jin and doctor Jung feels interesting to me.. And of course Yoon Bok !

Haven't started watching the latest episodes so I'll come back later to read beanies' discussion 😉

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Finally! After being pleasantly surprised with Misty's OT, I had been hoping one for this drama.

I love the way the characters are written. A lot has been said about the main characters so I'll talk about the side ones. Instead of stock characters or the typical villains in other dramas, characters here are given more layers and therefore interesting. Second Sis Yi Jin could just be a jealous, money-faced evil sister but she is more than that. I also love that Detective Lee isn't like the annoying Detective Kang in Misty. He's actually competent and has his heart in the right place.

The best written villain is Hye Na's biological mother. I still hate her for what she did to her daughter but the show is so good at showing how she tries to be a good mother and at the same time, abusing her daughter on many occasions.

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Another show that I would love to see, and I will, someday. However, I did want to mention that all these female-centric shows are gaining momentum in both the domestic and international realm, and their popularity is increasing too. I’m thrilled that Dramabeans has this forum and is willing to open this discussion thread! So many writers in Korea are female and it’s anout time that they are writing these shows and that they are getting the air time they so desperately deserve. In both Misty and Mother, there are women that are not afraid to enact change, for the better, hopefully, which gives me hope that our world will become a better place for it.

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@saya thanks for the Open Thread!
I quickly skimmed through (you know how you WANNA know and yet you don't want spoilers so you really just skiiiiim through? lol) and I really think I should give this show a shot. I was planning on staying away from melos for a bit but the praise you have given the mostly-female-cast has drawn me in!

now I have 3 shows to start this week!!
Misty
Shall We Kiss First
Mother

woohoo!

#NoKdramaSlumpHere

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I’m so glad that there’s a thread for this show because I’ve been wanting to discuss it. Honestly it’s the only drama that I’ve been watching lately and it’s so good. I agree that Seol ak is chilling. I get anxious anytime he’s on screen and I just KNEW he was going to kidnap Yoon bok but my question is why???? He abused her visciously and killed a child before her. He clearly has no capacity for emotion so is it just because he can’t stand the thought that a she got away? If not for Soo Jin, she would have been dead anyway after being beaten and left in that trash bag. Same with Ja Young, I think her only motivation for going to the police after finding Yoon bok was because she’s jealous. She literally had a funeral for her and wanted to keep up the charade that Yoon Bok was dead so I think that she can’t stand that she’s happy without her. Episode 9 was insteresting in that way as t showed the juxtaposition between her and Hong hee. They both had children at young ages but whereas Hong hee looked happy to take baby Soo Jin everywhere, Ja Young looked irritated that Yoon Bok cried as a baby and asked her for food. I was realllly hoping that Soo Jin and Yoon Bok would get away and the restriction of the drama would be about their happy life together but I knew that when presenting a case like this, it would only be too complicated.

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He seems like a methodical, thorough type. It could be that he feels he has to complete the job of getting rid of Yoon-bok. Additionally, it seemed as if he had some fascination with/interest in Soo-jin. His thoroughness was reflected in all the research he did prior to going on his little "road" trip. There might also be some fear on his part (even if it is hard to know what he is feeling/thinking). Yoon-bok knows what he did to that little boy.
Related to this, I wonder how the other girlfriends will come into play. Do you remember that one of Seol-ak's girlfriends recorded her conversation with him? I believe that recording will serve an important purpose in the end.

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You’re so right. He literally felt like the “job” and killing Yoon Bok was unfinished. It’s true that’s Yoon Bok does know about what happened to their other children so I think that along with the fact, that she got away really pissed him off (if he can feel that is). I honestly was thinking about his meeting with the old gf but I forgotten the part where she recorded him actually. I was just upset about the money he gave her because that’s how he got those tools. But again, you’re right. That recording will definitely set something in motion.

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Maybr we will get that explanation in upcoming episode about him. He is so emotionless and psycho and at times i find his scene out of sync or stay silent from the world of mother, as if the writers waiting in silent for the right moment to show her card for a big moment about his story.

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Honestly even though the explanation came ( I won’t spoil it if you haven’t seen t yet), I still feel no sympathy for him. I just want Yoon Hok and everyone else got be far away from him. I don’t feel that his scenes are out of sync necessarily but I think the pd did a really good job of the juxtaposition between the him and the rest of the cast. His scenes are only there to usually intensify the danger aspect or to show that no matter how happy Yoon Bok is with Soo jin, he’s lurking and so she can never truly be safe.

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Yes, interesting backstory, but it does not justify his actions. I really have to say kudos to the actor; he is doing an excellent job.

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I haven't watch ep 11 and 12 yet. It seems it's so scary!

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He seems to be a narcissistic sociopath who preys on the weak and vulnerable. He is calculating and manipulative.
I think Hye-na's mom was a selfish person to begin with so it's not all his doing. It was always about her happiness (having a man) before her child.
She is mentally unstable from being manipulated by this sorry excuse of a human being.

I think there are couple of reasons why he can't let go of Hye-na.
He is a control freak and he feels important when he has power over his victims. Something that he never felt as a kid. Soo-jin took that away from him and he can't stand it.
He doesn't want to go back to jail and Hye-na knows too much about the other children that he killed.

Being treated like crap or being abandoned as a kid is not an excuse to grow up and become a horrible human being.
I know that some a dramatized from childhood and received no help to deal with their situation but it's not all mental for this guy. He knows what he is doing is very wrong.

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I agree, it’s not all on him because we saw in Ja Young’s back story that she was very weak willed and abusive from the beginning. The hardship of raising a hold alone was too much for her and she took it out on Yoon Bok. As for Seol-ak, there truly is no excuse for the terrible person he’s become nor is there one for the crimes he committed. I’m sick of both him and Ja Young.

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I think that Seol-ak is drawn to women like Ja-young. Well, I shouldn't say much on this thread, so I'll leave it at that. I do think, however, that Ja-young is a fool if she believes that her boyfriend will stick around with her till the end. Seol-ok is a [email protected]#$%*d, but Yoon-book's mother takes the cake. She has thrown away the one person whom she should cherish and protect.

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This is such a haunting show. There have been so many touching, moving, and emotional scenes. I love that we have nuanced characters, as other Beanies above have also noted. I also appreciate the score, which is hitting all the right notes for me (I didn't even notice the pun until I went over what I wrote, lol) . I'd rather have this kind of music than jarring ballads or pop songs. I love this kind of subtlety when it comes to music choices.

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Finally!!!!!! 🙂☺😀

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Thank youuuu for the weecap!
Finally, somewhere to share our thoughts on this amazing drama!
Thank goodness I didnt tear my computer screen to shreds on the first ep! The first ep was menacing, and making me angry and afraid. It was hard to watch but got me to think a lot, since I saw many people got kids not because they are ready for the responsibility, but because of external pressure, or because they misunderstand the meaning of love...and end up neglecting and abusing their kids, and even worse, also being the prey (and let their kids be the prey) of some jerk who wants to free ride, by using their vulnerability.

The words: Please dont leave me, oppa. I wont be able to take care of this kid alone! I would just die without youuuu!!
Really, it has to stop. I feel like scratching the screen with a fork, each time she said that.
And guess what. He left nevertheless.

I love this drama to bits! The cinematography, the way they weave the story, the muted tone, and how it made me thinking. I love how it made me love my daughter more, and really be there for her. I love how it described us about what being mother means, the hardship of motherhood, the readiness it demands (really girls and boys, i heard you when you said that you love your bf/gf, but you should watch this before thinking of having unprotected sex!), the vulnerability of young single mothers, etc.

I absolutely love all mother-daughter time and granny-grandchild time. Even the conversations are like warm milk on cold, sleepless night. It was perfection.

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hahhaha... Actually I'm so confuse about Hyena's biological mom character to be honest. At times. She is showing she love her child and angry someone else took her child away. But at times we get to show her selfish and manipulative act without remorse. Still don't get her at all despite knowing her back story.

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Ja Young's behavior might be baffling but it's all too real.

She loves and hates Hye Na at the same time. Her love could stemmed purely from maternal instincts which is why Hye Na got by with the most basic care all these years. She could have aborted the baby but she didn't. However, she started blaming Hye Na right after birth because she saw her as the cause for her bf's abandonment.

I don't know her age but it doesn't fully explain her lack of readiness for motherhood. Look at Soo Jin's biological mom. She had Soo Jin at younger age and while she was not ready to be a mother in many aspects, she loved her and took good care of her before the tragedy.

Ja Young's dislike of the detective's calling her "mother" earlier in the investigation showed her mindset. I know people who exhibit some extent of this behavior. They cling on to their youth, looks, singlehood(or rather in this case, not a parent) and hate that parenthood embodies things which run counter to all these.

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I still think the problem and her past with Hyena is make sense and connect to where they are today. But, I'm still baffling about the transition from "I don't care if my child dissapear, as long as we are free", to this "omg, my child is get taken away" and get all work up with it and being all manipulative to get her child back. It's just feel contrived. I don't think it's because of her relate to her oppa looking for Hyena, since she is all emotional when she found out Hyena. Gah I'm still don't get her.

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I think she is emotionally and mentally damaged. Broken but not completely.
There are moments when she comes to her senses but then moments later she goes back to whatever world she was in.

It goes to show how strong and unbreakable a bond is between a mother and child whether they have a good relationship or not.
No matter how much she tries to get rid of Hye-na she will always be in her mind because they are forever connected by flesh and blood.
She can't erase her and it's the same for Hye-na too.

It's hell of confusing and scary to even try and put yourself in her place.

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I think that Hye-na's mother is the kind of person who desperately wants to be loved and who is terrified of being alone. She kept her child because she thought that would tie the boyfriend to her, but also because she thought that her child would unconditionally love her and she would never be alone again.

But, with the love that the child gives, also come moments of - let's call it - inconvenience. When she can't go to the cinema or coffee whenever she wants to. When Hye-na needs to use the toilet when they're shopping. And as she's completely selfish, those are the moments when her anger flares.

So her reaction to Hye-na being taken away is that combination of needing someone to love her - and probably desperately scared of being alone - but not wanting the commitment of caring for a child.

Her first instinctive reaction is: fine, that's one hassle of my hands. Her second reaction is: OMG I'm going to be alone again, I need her to come back.

That she goes to the police is totally in line with that behaviour: she's looking for attention. That's why she's also talking to the reporter.

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@cloggie. Oh thanks. In episode 9, there is a glimpse of her didn't expect Hyena would lost affection on her. There is definitely a jealousy towards Soo Jin. Because she seems aware she can't give her child something Soojin can give. In episode 11, She is also feels horrible when people look down at her as a terrible person/mother.

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I agree, her reasons for probably having and holding on to Hye-na is to satisfy her own needs.

In Korea there is a place for abandoned babies called "the drop box" where the law will not come after the mother if she leaves her baby there.
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/28/south-korea-pastors-drop-box-saves-abandoned-babies-from-infanticide/

I know that it's not an easy thing to give up a child but she does have other options if she had Hye-na's best interest in heart.

Soo-jin grew up in an orphanage under the influence of a loving foster mother.
Her experience there probably gave her the courage to rescue Hye-na.

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Yess... Go Seung Hee is decent in this role. Unfortunately, the character is abit confusing me. I start to understand her more in episode 11 with her reaction

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Go Seung-hee has a bigger role here than the original.
Sometimes I get her and sometimes I wish a better actress would've done more with this role.

I feel like this show is going to be 4 eps too long. I don't want it to feel like a crime thriller but I guess it appeals more to the Korean viewers.

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I thought if it ended with the death of Seol Ak, it would fit into the genre of a crime thriller. With 4 more eps to go, where do you think it's heading?

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@Kiara, I agree... While I really think Go Seung Hee, is doing a decent job, the more I watch it , make me think if it's handled by a better acctress, I might understand her motive alot more. She seems knows her character well, but at times her execution it's not matching with her vision when emoting. And she is better than Lee Bo Young and pull her heart out to act her character. LBY is just making Soo Jin appear as one dimensional character.

I agree, at this point, the drama goes to a thriller mode at this point. I actually enjoy each of their back story. including story about serial killer in episode 11 is a nice touch.

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Go Seung-hee is improving from her earlier drama, but she still can't properly shows her emotions that at times I feel the lack of her acting restrained me to fully understand and relate to her. In the hand of the better actress such as Shin Hye-sun, we might be able to understand her conflicts more. She has a good agency, Saram Ent which is also a home for some talented actors - Lee Hanui, Han Ye-ri, Jo Jin-woong, Lee Jee-hoon, Yun Gye-sang etc etc, and they also good in finding the projects for their actors, we can see from her projects so far, definitely beneficial a lot for her. I wish she continues to be humble and take projects / roles she can do instead of ambitiously take leading roles, like some actors. She also has so many good sunbaes in her agency, which can also be her reference.

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@seralovestteobokki And @kiara IMO she is not suit a bitchy roles. Imagine park si yeon playing it haha....

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*Sigh*
I did reply to you laddies but this server ate it all 🤬

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A spoiler tag would have been nice if you were going to tell the fate of the villain suddenly. This thread is for ep 2-10. I came to read discussion about those eps, not 11+ which I haven't watched yet, and those eps have a different thread. It's inconsiderate to give away specific plot developments in an earlier episodes thread.

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Thank you. How inconsiderate of me. There, I have deleted my comment since edit button is not available.

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Thank you, Saya!

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Thanks @saya for doing this: I love this drama so much. The writing and the characterisation is so spot on.

It's an well-researched fact that the victims of abuse often do not act while they are being abused, but step in and act as soon as the abuser moves on to another (probably younger) victim. It's SooJin's abuse at the hands of her mother's boyfriend as a child that makes her step in when she sees Yoon-bok being abused. She tries to look away but can't and she acts. In a way this is mirrored when Yoon-bok doesn't cry when she gets hit but cries when the mother's boyfriend kills her gerbil.

I think the drama is very careful with its plotting and timing which is awesome. For example, Yoon-bok's mother gets arrested for child abuse hours before Yoon-bok tells the doctor her real name. Had the mother not been arrested, the doctor would/could probably not have supported SooJin.

I was 3 episodes behind and freaking out last Friday when people were commenting on how creepy the bf was - because I was worried that the doctor was going to turn out bad. I was relieved when it turned out everybody was talking about the serial killer BF.

Like @saya, I'm shipping the doctor and SooJin so hard. How nice is it that he wanted to meet her because they had a hobby in common!

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YESSSSS!!!! Thank you @Saya!! I love your comments. This drama showcases all the different types of mothers. As haunting as seems, it's a welcoming haunt because the story is so well captured on screen. Thank you again!!

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Oh my goodness! This drama is absolutely gripping!!

Hye Jins Mother is clearly mentally ill. She also was left to raise a newborn on her own which probably made things worse. She does know right from wrong so ultimately she deserves prison for life minimum with all her shenanigans!!! Mr boyfriend needs solitary confinement or worse ugh he scares the ish outta me.

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I'm being honest but everytime the conflict focus on Soo Jin, I'm abit lukewarm. It's not the writers fault. If only Soo Jin act with a different actress. so I want that right moment when the show finally focus on Hyena and her conflict and I'm not dissapoint get what i got. I'm in crying mess in episode 9.

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Yey, Saya, you picked this up! *squinting through to avoid spoilers* It seems like a show that needs beanie group therapy after each episode. :)

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What I like most about this show is that it's about different types/kinds of mother. I think we can relate or see our own mother in some of them.
I view them mostly from Hye-na's eyes and Heo Yool is doing a great job playing such a heavy role for a little girl.
I think she captured the heart of the original even though her character is exposed to more dramatic events.

I've seen 10 eps so far and I don't know what to talk about and where to begin. I don't want to go back, I just want to ride with the show as it is.

I'm looking forward to more of Madam Cha. I love Lee Hye-young and her matriarchal household. On the surface they may not seems to be tight but when this tragedy strikes, I hope they'll prove how much they love and need each other.

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Thanks for the open thread and the summary, Saya! Yoon Bok's so much craves a normal childhood and a happy, large family that you feel sad .... things which are a given in a regular household are dreams for her. Su Jin's sister annoys me much as the money-hungry, always jealous younger sibling. The villainous boyfriend is soo creepy and psycho that I almost stop breathing when he is onscreen. The episode 10 cliffhanger was horrible .... hope everyone keeps safe and are reunited soon. What's gonna happen to Sujin?

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Now that the cops are on to Soo-jin anyway, I really want the other teacher, the one Soo-jin entrusted with the documentation of Hye-na's abuse, to step forward. The cops need to know how bad it was before Soo-jin took matters into her own hands.

(I just watched today's episode. It's not a spoiler to say that my heart was pounding throughout, is it?)

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thank you for the weecap. i also cant bring myself to watch this scary drama. but i really like dr. jung character. he is quietly caring towards soo jin. i ship them hard too! lol

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Yaaaaayyyyyyyy.... honestly, i skipped episode 1. because i dont think a cant bearable with kids-violence in this drama. but then, episode 2 get me hooked, and dr.Jung makes me want to marry him somehow! (sorry mr.husband)
and yes, finally.... thank you @saya !

and @mary , u are absolutely right, i need some of those beaniesgroup-therapy every thursday and friday, after watched the show. but work is fierce nowadays, i dont have time to read all the fanwall about Mother to get those therapy. *sad*

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Thank you, Saya!! I so fully agree with your comments, especially about what it means to 'call me mother'. Never thought mummy issues can be so heart-gripping. My decade-long passion for kdramas was waning over the past year until Mother came along and reignited it, and got me back into that torturous habit of watching it live.

Love love love everything about Mother! The actresses, especially little precocious Hye Na with her matter-of-fact way of talking about ugly truths and her heartbreaking trembling voice, also the powerhouse madam Cha, all are simply absorbing to watch. Usually I use my phone/work on laptop at the same time when watching dramas, but this show has my full attention. It's that gripping, both the storyline and the deep, thought-provoking conversations - I don't wanna miss anything.

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Omg thank you so much for making this thread. I've been reading for years and I've been a silent reader here. But thank you so much for this. This is such a good drama very heavy but so well done. God bless all the actors and the little girl playing Hye Na/ Yoon Bok.

But mehnnn the boyfriend is so evil. That's all I gotta say! and the mother oh wow. No comment. What kind of love and affection do you want from such a guy to abandon and wish your kid were dead like that?

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I won't spoil but after last night's episode, every moms- and dads-to-be need to watch this show as a prerequisite for having kids! The angles explored in this drama is not just entertaining but so eye-opening.

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I LOVE this show! A little different than my love for Misty but I love it nevertheless. One thing I noticed though that prevents me from loving it more is Dr Jung.

Dont get me wrong. I ship him with Soojin as much as the drama wants me too (A LOT). He’s also probably one of the top 3 sweetest, most genuine, thoughtful, respectful, unselfish gentleman in kdramaland. But.... is it weird to think that he is TOO perfect? Like there is absolutely no fault in him. Like... none.

I mean I understand the need for him and I don’t know how he can be less perfect of a character but man... he is why I have such high standards (kidding but not really).

But besides that, this drama is riveting and heartwrenching and makes me think so much about the meaning of motherhood. I never cried so much in a drama 😭 I just cant wait for a happy ending. Please let Soojin, YoonBok and Dr Jung be a happy family by the end of this. PLEASE

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He can't cook?

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But can he at least boil water and make toast?

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And has an endless supply of MREs. And doesn't seem to be too picky. . . . hmmmm . . . . Maybe he is perfect after all.

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He didn't have the courage to pursue his interest in birds...then again, that was because he wanted to listen to his momma. You're right, he's too good to be true. I'm loving Mother more because Dr. Jung is perfect! LOL

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That's why I was worried he was going to turn out to be really bad!

I'm not sure he's got no flaws (doesn't he work all hours?) but he's just extremely nice compared to all the other totally messed up characters.

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I love this drama so. much. It's not for everyone, since it has some pretty significantly heavy material in it. But those things need to be openly discussed.

I love it that the title refers to so many kinds of mothers, so many questions about what makes a good one, so many issues mothers face.

I also think the acting is phenomenal. And I love the cinematography, too. Really, this is one of the best dramas I've seen in a long time. And that role was made for Lee Bo Young. I cannot say enough good about it!

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thanks @saya for the wee-est weecap!! the most memorable parts of the show glossed over in the recap for me were:

1. youngsin and soojin’s conversation about truly being a mother: “you will only truly become a mother when you accept money, putting away your pride, since you will never know what will happen to your child in future, and how money will be your best friend in that situation”

2. yoonbok’s rejection of jayoung, when jayoung used the same, previously effective technique of saying that a child can only be happy when her mom is happy: “i neither like nor dislike mom, because you are no longer my mom. whether you are happy or not, it doesn’t affect me, because now i am no longer your child”

3. hyunjin’s outburst regarding how her future job security will be threatened if soojin is exposed to have ties with her, and hyunjin’s subsequent change in mindset, not to blame but to understand soojin: “i will uncover the whole truth and write the most unbiased article, because i want to know what made my sister do that”

4. sister clara and yoonbok playing the word game: (upon having to leave sister clara behind and implied not so nice things happening to her,) yb: “mom, i thought of a word to reply to sister clara’s game. please go back, i need to tell it to her,”

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Thanks for this open thread. Great way to discuss shows as well. Really heavy material and show different types of mothers and how abandonment impacts children differently.

That little girl Heo Yool is such a gem, who discovered her.She is just lovely as Yoon bok.

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I have read that she was chosen out of the 400 children who auditioned. She’s truly a gem.

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Oh my, as a new mom, this show touched me in so many level! The whole cast is simply amazing, especially all the actresses and Yoon Bok! I love this show brings out the love and struggles of motherhood. Hearing the stories from Soo Jin's biological mom and her adopted mom are truly heartwenching :( the sacrifices one made for their child are immeasurable! I can't believe I also can understand Yoon Bok' s birth mom story as well. In a way after she had Yoon Bok, she lost her sense of self and cannot go back to the life she used to have pre-baby. That's why she was unhappy. I totally understand that, but it's unacceptable to lay her frustration to her child in a form of abuse. It broke my heart <\3 Poor Yoon Bok has to grow up so fast :( I hope this show will have a happy ending! ♡♡♡

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The thing that really struck me up until this point of the show is the way in which it deals so generously with our feelings of ambivalence about the people who loves us. That we both desire to be free and to be responsible, that we both want to be possessed and to be unburdened. We are essentially birds in cages: locked up, fed and safe while dreaming of a time the cage will open and we will fly free.

Soo-jin kept a feather from a migratory bird locked in a safe disguised as a book with a key kept hidden in another book - a means of escape. But it was only through her accepting the responsibility of motherhood that she was able to finally open that safe and explore her past, even as she was unable to fly free to Iceland because of that responsibility.

I also really love the Russian dolls and the way that Yoon-bok used them to describe her 'mother' - we are all one large doll with the smaller dolls of our past experiences inside us. Everything we are is what happened to us before, kept inside us and not able to be seen until we take ourselves apart.

In the end, our desire to fly free does not trump our desire to be caged in by loving somebody and it's only through accepting that responsibility that we are finally able to reconcile who we are with who we were before.

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comment on regarde L’épisode 2

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eu je veut dire comment on regarde l'episode 2

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