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Pretty Noona Who Buys Me Food: Episodes 9-10

Although there are so many people in on our couple’s secret, the hardest revelations are yet to come. But you can never put crisis off for long, and the time has come to see how their relationship survives in the real world, against all the opposition and disapproval that is sure to come their way. After all, happy endings have to be earned, right?

 
EPISODES 9-10

Laica: As Jin-ah realizes her dad already knew about Joon-hee, a shocked Kyung-sun recalls all the times Joon-hee has lied to her about his relationship with Jin-ah, and reels. (I find it telling that it’s all Joon-hee, which underlines how he is her priority despite her friendship with Jin-ah.)

Saya: Since the cat’s pretty much out of the bag now, both Joon-hee and Jin-ah are more open with their work colleagues about their relationship.

Laica: Joon-hee realizes Kyung-sun has found out and alerts Jin-ah, who meets up with her bestie to have it out. Kyung-sun expresses how absolutely betrayed she feels, and Jin-ah apologizes only for not telling her earlier. Kyung-sun asks if Jin-ah seriously thinks that’s the only problem, and storms out.

Saya: In that time, Joon-hee calls his sister and begs her not to give Jin-ah a hard time. When Kyung-sun returns to Jin-ah, the tension’s gone out of her and they have a private pyjama party. Joon-hee is left nonplussed until Jin-ah dials him in so he can hear their laughter and stories. Aww.

Laica: I loved that adorable relieved grin as he listened to them giggle and look at childhood albums. The next morning Joon-hee goes over to see his noona, who gives him some severely loving swats and then warns him that it’s not going to be easy—especially with Jin-ah’s mom.

Saya: You know, I think I am secretly in love with Seung-ho. Look at him making an excuse for Joon-hee to come over—ostensibly to see him, but he’s actually making an opportunity for him to see Jin-ah.

Laica: Seung-ho is totally growing on me! And I really felt for him this week!

Saya: Unfortunately, Mom comes home sooner than expected. She’s excited about a possible blind date for Jin-ah and shows both boys. Joon-hee can’t stand it anymore, and kneels before Mom.

Laica: Which is when Jin-ah arrives, and kneels right along with him. Mom catches on and goes nearly apoplectic. When Seung-ho rushes to her aid, she yells and smacks him repeatedly for keeping it from her, ignoring Jin-ah and Joon-hee altogether. Joon-hee quietly leaves.

Saya: Mom turns her wrath on Jin-ah when she refuses to stop seeing Joon-hee. Poor heroic Seung-ho, trying to protect both women. You’re a good egg.

Laica: Mom hits Jin-ah over and over as she enumerates how ashamed she should be for dating her little brother (um, right, okay), until Jin-ah lies limp on the bed. This feels so much uglier than Kyung-sun’s earlier whaps of Joon-hee. Mom isn’t necessarily hitting Jin-ah harder or more, but it feels… angrier. And less affectionate.

Saya: You took the words right out of my mouth. At that point, Dad comes home, and when Mom realizes he was in on it, too, she launches herself at him… except she trips and breaks her arm. In a final stroke of indignity, she has to be taken to hospital by Jin-ah.

Laica: Jin-ah cares for her mother gently, although the older woman warns that this doesn’t change anything.

The next day, Mom visits Kyung-sun at work, and assures her that of course she doesn’t have a problem with their family background, but Jin-ah and Joon-hee are confusing family closeness for romantic attraction, and it’s up to Mom and Kyung-sun to snap them out of it.

Saya: It actually terrifies me that Mom uses the line, “I’m you, you’re me.” I mean…what kind of freaky thing is that to say to someone? Or to have said to you? I can’t even decide which is creepier.

Laica: Yeah, it’s scary how she clearly went there with a calculated strategy to manipulate Kyung-sun into being her ally against the couple. And Kyung-sun clearly sees through it, given the way she cries in a corner after Mom leaves.

Saya: The part that gets me most is that she’s so crudely manipulative; it’s ugly and unsubtle, and she switches tacks in the blink of an eye. Kyung-sun isn’t stupid—she’s never been blind to Mom’s nature, but you can see how much it hurt her to have to confront that duality.

Laica: Yup. This is the meanness I was talking about last week. Kudos to the writer for giving us hints that she was this kind of person, while still making it awful to watch unfold now. Because she goes straight home and tells her husband that there’s no way she’s allowing Jin-ah to be with someone who’s going to have to take care of two half-siblings later in life.

Saya: That was the single moment I thought her concerns might actually be legitimate despite her behavior, but it turned out to be just one more weapon in her emotional blackmail arsenal.

Laica: Meanwhile, the workplace harassment situation is getting more complicated. VP Jung has recruited Manager Choi into gathering evidence for her against the other men.

Saya: He tries to get out of it by telling the CEO, but the latter is all for it. Bolstered by his support, Choi manages to get some damning details of harassment incidents out of Manager Gong.

Laica: That evening, Jin-ah reminds her mother that she’s an adult and she can date and even marry who she wants. When Jin-ah realizes that her mom went to see Kyung-sun, she goes over to apologize and comfort her poor friend.

Saya: Acting on Mom’s demands, Dad later takes Jin-ah out for a “talk” where he assures her that they just want the best for her, blah blah. Sorry, I’ve heard a thousand iterations of this before already. She points out that in other people’s eyes, she’s not the great catch her parents think she is, either.

Laica: Jin-ah asks what’s so important about Joon-hee not having parents, compared to the love he pours into her daily. He’s the one who taught her how to be so considerate to her mother in the hospital, helping her dress and caring for her when she was in pain.

Saya: She tells Dad what she told Mom: She has no intention of leaving Joon-hee, and while they might be disappointed in her, she’s disappointed in them.

Laica: That night, Kyung-sun calls her absentee bio-dad in Canada, but he blows her off as usual, and Kyung-sun breaks down sobbing.

Saya: Meanwhile, Jin-ah slips out to see Joon-hee. When Mom finds her room empty, she heads straight to Joon-hee’s and rings the bell repeatedly.

 
COMMENTS

Laica: Really, Mom? This is an even worse idea than setting up another blind date for Jin-ah.

Saya: Oh, Mom. I don’t regret defending her for the last few weeks, but understanding has its limits. As long as her concerns for her kids were legitimate and sincere (however wrong-headed), I was willing to cut her some slack, but it’s become increasingly evident that her desire for control outweighs her concern for her kids. I know you’re going to say this was always evident, but…she’s a mom. I just wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Even Dad disappointed me. I can see that he’s more the beta in the relationship, but it was still disturbing to see him immediately accede to his wife and try to talk Jin-ah out of a relationship that he actually did approve. Like, there are times to stand your ground.

Laica: I actually wasn’t as mad at Dad, because I can see that he’s caught between his wish to support Jin-ah and trying to deal with his wife’s insane demands. And I appreciate that he honestly told Jin-ah their objections instead of lying like mom, because even if those concerns make little sense in Joon-hee’s case, they’re relatable and realistic for parents of that generation.

Saya: His saving grace is that he still speaks from a place of real concern for her. But how illustrative is it of Mom’s personality that the reason everyone cites for not opposing her is the fact that she’s absolutely unyielding and refuses to lose? I’ve actually come to pity her, imprisoned as she is by her own narrow prejudices.

Laica: I still just can’t with Mom. That meeting with Kyung-sun after she’s had a night to sleep on it was cold. Everything she does comes from such a calculating, mean place. And it’s clear that she knows that she’s wrong to disdain the Seo siblings’ background, or she wouldn’t have lied about her reasons for opposing the match when she met with Kyung-sun.

Saya: Yeah, I draw the line at her making the kids actively suffer because she can’t deal with their choices. Know when to back off. On the other hand, as you said earlier, it’s so telling that Kyung-sun’s opposition is rooted in concern for her brother above all.

As much as she loves Jin-ah—as a friend, sister, daughter, mother—Joon-hee is more than all of that to her. He’s everything she has in the world. And not even Jin-ah is allowed to take a risk with that. It’s terribly brave of her to give her blessing all the same.

Laica: Kyung-sun, and her relationship to Joon-hee, was really the heart of these two episodes for me. I loved that she went to visit their mom’s grave to complain about him, but in the end could only plead for her to make things easier on him.

And Joon-hee standing outside his noona’s apartment, unable to go in, or at another point, going to check on her and watching her sleep, really got to me. Their bond is beautiful, and I’m glad the drama gave it the space it needed in these two episodes.

Saya: I also love the way we confronted the relationship between Mom and the Seo siblings. For example, Kyung-sun always straight-up calls her “omma” as if she’s her own mom, rather than the more formal address Joon-hee uses (as you conventionally would with a friend’s mom).

Laica: Yes! That struck me too, especially in episode 10. It speaks to how open-heartedly Kyung-sun loves people, and how fully she gives her heart (and how vulnerable she thus is to heartbreak).

Saya: It’s clear that she’s “adopted” Jin-ah’s parents out of love for Jin-ah, but it doesn’t make her blind to their faults and limitations.

She recognizes that their relationship is one of defined distance—you can be as close as family as long as you don’t cross that invisible line and try to be more. The fact that Mom uses that relationship against her is so cruel. Man, we could write a thesis on Mom.

Laica: We really could. But moving on to other people with boundary issues, the workplace harassment storyline is taking an unnerving turn, with people drawing battle lines and the creeps beginning to push back against the women for daring to stand up. I’m a bit scared for them.

Saya: I’m hopeful that it’s not going to go badly, because the show isn’t meant to be a tragedy, right? On a lighter note, I died laughing over the man-date that Jin-ah sent her toerag superiors on. It’s a little sickening how both men really thought they were going to get some. And then..! Hahahaha, priceless.

Laica: That was great! Classic low-key Jin-ah style. Although I hope there won’t be retribution.

Saya: Jin-ah style is good style when she’s thinking! Like, I really loved how there’s not one point where either she or Joon-hee back down, apologize, or say they made a mistake.

There are things you can’t apologize for, and that’s a strategically critical move for them, too, because if they were to give way now, that’s ground they can’t regain. They have to believe in it this much, stand fast this much, to even have a chance going forward.

Laica: Agreed. I’m also glad Joon-hee took that opportunity to confess to Mom, even though I got on his case last week for being overbearing sometimes, because Jin-ah’s been insistent on facing all the confrontations alone—even with Kyung-sun, which I felt was unfair to Joon-hee.

She should have let him decide how he wanted to handle this with his noona, who’s basically his entire family. And honestly, I’m glad neither of them had to face that initial revelation to Mom alone, because the woman is terrifying.

Saya: I’m glad you pointed this out about who would tell Kyung-sun, because I actually feel like at times, Jin-ah is the one being more controlling than appropriate, it’s just more subtle.

Laica: I think I see what you mean. She tends to do it jokingly, and often pulls the noona card in an affectionate way, whereas he approaches her more head-on when he wants her to something, which is true to his blunt personality.

Saya: I guess what we’re really noticing is that there’s actually a healthy level of negotiation and honesty in their relationship.

Laica: Here’s hoping their rock-solid bond will hold them in good stead when Mom barges through that apartment door.

Saya: Amen to that.

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The mother is so infuriating, I want to wack her head. Not even her age excuses her behavior. Her daughter is 35 for God's sake. I also don't understand how Jinah could stand it all these years and why she didn't move out already. I started to dislike her in the following episodes. In my opinion she doesn't stand up for herself enough. Even in the earlier episodes when mom tried to set her up with her ex. Jinah should have made a much more clear point that she will not except such intervention. This was my favourite drama but now it just makes me angry.

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Oh no, don't tell me it gets even worse... 😵

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It does. I was reading Korean comments and people agree that the mom is crazy. I hate these kind of people. Never worked a single job in her life yet feels like she can judge others based on their status. As if she studied at one of the top Universities. And she never has anything else to say. All she talked about are relationship advises and blind dates. People like these are stuck on one thing and are unbearable in real life. Talk about something else will you? Get a hobby, get a life! I don't feel like watching anymore, at least until this conflict gets resolved.

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On that note, I'll just add that I actually have paused it. I'll pick it up again after the conflict is over.

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I think I will join you.
Did the same with Oh Jak Do, so I could ff through the angst.

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I watched the first bit of next ep raw and I'm going to skip a week and watch four episodes next week instead. The Mum is out of control. It's a difficult thing to watch.

@dorotka I did that with Oh Jak-doo as well. If I hadn't been able to binge through the angst I would have dropped it.

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@leetennant
Eeeks. Thanks for the warning. I'll follow suit.
@dorotka
*high fives* The ff button is a true friend in such shows.

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Where can i watch this drama

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I think she'll meet her match in the Seo siblings' father so that's a show down I'll be looking forward to.

(Oh crap I just felt an earthquake.)

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Oh~ is he making an appearance?

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Yes.

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I'm really interested to see how the Seo's father character will be handled.

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@mabiep
I guess he is a rich guy now or something like that.

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I actually had the opposite reaction: I like Jin-ah a lot more now. She's nothing like her mother despite the borderline... ok, screw it, ABUSIVE upbringing. Not every kdrama female lead has to be this happy-go-lucky, the-world-is-my-garden feminist icon. Jin-ah is kind, trustworthy, intelligent, funny and tries to find the best in people despite being at her mother's beck and call her entire life. The fact that she has ANY self confidence after living with that narcissistic monster makes her look like a hero in my book.

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hear hear! I don't think we appreciate how much of an achievement it is that Jin-ah is who she is now despite everything...

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Lol what kdramas are you watching that are full of "feminist" icons ?? There are few things less feminist than kdramas !

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I agree with you a hundred percent

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you shouldn't be angry. I mean, look at it from the woman's point of view. it's not easy for one's daughter to have been in a 'promising' relationship for that long and is suddenly telling you that she is breaking up with the guy because she has a mature age that concerns her mom who even sees Jin ah's younger brother as more mature than his older sister. I also do think Jin ah should have moved to her own apartment but that would have taken away the cute scenes where she sneaks in and out and is caught by her father:)

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dear @saya and @laica : thanks for the post!
I haven't watch these episodes yet, but I haaaaad to look through this post and...
*going to watch it right now*

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I finally watched the 2 eps and while everyone is shocked about (Evil) Mum's (over)reaction, what shocks me the most is how physically violent this woman is.
the way she ruthlessly slapped her son!
the way she relentlessly hits her husband, son and daughter!!

I mean, are women in Korea THAT violent?

I don't see too many people speaking about just how OFTEN women in kdramas hit people. a slap up the back of the head. a couple of hits on the arm and shoulder. a huge smack in the back. Why is this ok??? It's too much!!

And Jin-Ah's mum is just waaaaaay too much!!

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Korean people hit people in dramas. I've noticed it. I don't know how much it happens in real life but in dramas it's very noticeable.

I was watching something Thai the other day and they had a bag snatcher and two guys ran after him and yelled him into submission. So in a Korean show they would have taken him down physically. In this Thai show they were yelling, "What would your parents think of this behaviour?! What if there's something valuable in that bag? How does the person you stole from feel?" And it worked. In a Korean show, he'd be on the floor screaming in pain.

There's actually a branch of developmental psychology about how children learn to deal with their emotions. If they're only shown physical violence as an outlet then they only learn how to express their anger and frustration that way. And they don't know how to express other emotions well. I found it telling in this that when Jin-Ah was caring for her mother in the hospital that she credited knowing how to do that to Jun-hee rather than her mother. You shouldn't need your boyfriend to teach you how to be caring at 35.

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good observation about when Jin-Ah was caring for her mother in the hospital that she credited knowing how to do that to Jun-hee rather than her mother. ...

the whole mother-daughter relationship between the 2 is bad...

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I don't know how Ji-nah does it. I just spent 6 months at my parent's place in between jobs and I was so glad to be out of here. My parents are lovely and I love them to pieces but being an adult, I just need my own space to explore and define myself on my own terms.

Also, I think I would survive with that mom 48 hours. Probably even less.

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Agree. When you are grown up... you need your own space. Unless you have parents like Jin jin's in 20th century boy and girl.... 😊
But wait, even there, Jin Jin had her own apartment upstairs, and her own door!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙄

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Which I thought was a good compromise considering the culture.. Still live close to the parents but keep your own space.

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The mother... I have no words... I got so angry at her...

Actually, seeing Jinah as being a daughter of the Mom, I'm proud of her that she starts defending herself, both at home at work (just please, don't take over Mom's manipulation). And I can see why Junhee's love has such an effect on her self-esteem (though who wouldn't bloom under Jung Hae In's loving smiles and stares 😄 ).

And may I give you advice (😉)? Move out!

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The only problem I have with moving out is that she might end up distancing herself from her father and brother just because of her mother and end up dragging the Sister and Brother Seo away too. I think it may be wiser to attempt to resolve the conflict. At least for the families' relationship's sake.

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So, watching this with my husband, and we fall on opposite sides of the fence about Jin-Ah’s mom. I can’t believe (normal) people like this actually exsist, emotionally manipulative, physically abusive, over a grown daughter dating. A daughter that could have teenagers herself. My mom made my future brother-in-law cry because he had 2 kids before meeting my sister, and she didn’t want her daughter to be roped into that responsibility. Two kids not blood-related to my mom, whom she would basically be their grandmother as well. It was selfish underneath it all, and she was not prepared for that reality, but she was never this abusive. Unfortunately, that relationship has never been repaired, as much as she would like it to be now. So I can’t imagine how this mom would ever come back into their good graces once the dust settles. Whereas, my husband sees these types of people all the time, and in his mind, seems very real and relatable. And as he says, memories are fickle. So once they have grandkids, all will be right again. Which brings me to my idea that they should just elope and get it over with. Go to America or China, where Joon-hee obviously has skills enough to support the both of them. Have a kid and return to Korea. And they live happily ever after.

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I like your suggestion, but Jin Ah's working as well. What would she do in these other countries? Would she even get a work visa?

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Why would she need to work? She might want to, but she wouldnt be required to. People who work internationally usually get paid twice as much as in their home county—at least. I know 45 year olds who are retired now after working 5 years internationally and are playing all day with their 7 year olds, who happen to be fluent in Mandarin or whatever. 😝

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While I agree with most of your points, I think that her becoming completely reliant on him would negate a big part of the plot's forward movement. Her growth as a person, growing stronger with the support of Seo Jun-Hui. It would well remove the very agency she's working hard to gain.

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Lol, Ally, I had a similar idea, since he was offered to work for the company in China. Honestly, Jin-a wouldn't need to work immediately, but have her baby, 35 it is a good age to give birth.
And I know it sounds too simple and even old fashioned, but... they would make cute babies, and better when she is still young and strong. 😊😊😊

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Yes come to the US and work for Blizzard. I'd totally do a cameo as their neighbor haha.

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Strange enough, the character which is growing on me and the one I love the most now is Kyung Sun. I mean, literally, the woman had the heart of gold. She raised her brother alone all these years and still is able to maintain such a good heart. She didn’t have parents taking care of her and she takes care of Jin ah like a mother. She needs love but she doesn’t demand it from anybody, but the same time she gives it unlimited. I almost couldn’t believe it when she did understand Jin Ah’s explanation for hiding such a secret from her. I mean I heard Jin Ah’s explanation and I was actually angry. Girl, I’m not angry because you and my brother are in love but what about all those times you lied to me? Jun hee is all she has and she gives the blessing to them. If their relationship doesn’t work, it’s them that’ll be more broken. They’ll practically lose everything.

For Jin Ah, I admire her for holding her ground and knowing when NOT to apologize ( I SO agree that there are things in life that you just CAN’T apologize for.) For dad, in the other hand, in a bit disappointed. I thought you GAVE them your blessing and the things you told them after having been brainwashed from mom is just unbearable. It’s unbearable because you didn’t hold your ground. You just have to choose one opinion dad. It’s too confusing even for us the viewers.

The mom, she’s just out of the world. Everything she said was poisonous. She only cares for herself. She’s sly like a fox.

I like Kyung Sun. I hope she met a good man and start a good relationship.

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I really felt for her when she called her dad and he wouldn’t even give her the time day—another worthless parental figure. Seriously, these parents, where do they come from? And why do they always go to Canada after abandoning their children?

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Why Canada that’s the question.

May be Canadian ppl have to watch out for these ppl irl. 😅

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The thing that made me really angry in this is what the Mum did to Kyung Sun. Underneath it all, she knew that Jin-ah's Mum was like this but she still relied on her being there for them and treating them like family. Realising she doesn't see her as a daughter and then reaching out to her father only to be rejected again? Must have felt like total abandonment on a level she hasn't experienced before.

I can't forgive the Mum for that.

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I have been crazy about this drama since they accepted the role. I really thought I would love it..I really was sure this is the romance of the year that I will remember forever. And while I still feel as a romance it is very believable, they are very cute and relatable. Chemistry is amazing, I love to see them on my computer screen, I hate netflix for the subs monopoly thing, and I can even stand the music choice, at least half of it... secondary characters like mom, which have by the way too much screen time are ruining this drama for me. 😒😑😖
I hate this mother, I simply hate her from day one...
Why the drama doesn't give me more from Kyung-sun?? I could even and gladly have a little bit more of office politics and harassment war....
But no... In some VPN the mother eve appears as a main character, why???? 😳

On a lighter note, I like that it seems Jin-a is growing mature, loving herself a little bit more... And Joon hee is... well, you know already, he is the reason why I watch this show. I feel disappointed with the show, parts of the writing and the music, but Jung Hae in makes my day every time I see him ♥😍😘♥😍😍😍😊😊😊😊😊

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I know I'm completely off topic, but I'd like to know if there's something happening with Javabeans and Girlfriday, I mean there are no news since April 23rd, the currently airing drama list isn't updated, no more ratings, there are more dramas premiering this week and there's no information about them (Lee Jun Ki is baack!). I love this blog, I just hope the ladies are fine and come back soon!

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I also notice that while Saya, Mary and Laica are frequent here, Javabeans and Girlfriday are absent. There has been no news updates and the dramas which are recapped are becoming fewer and fewer (just 4-5 now.) I hope things are ok.. or is there anything we can help?

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It's actually not so rare for adults to live with their parents, at least in my family (latino) it's kind of expected that we do until we're married even if we could afford a place of our own, because we're helping our parents too in a lot of little ways even if we don't pay rent. I'm not living with my parents but my I have been living with my grandparents for the last 10 yrs but since I'm single and currently not stable economically I'm not really encouraged to leave since I can help around the house and not have to pay rent. My friends in Mexico have a similar set up and it's not seen like something negative, it's just the way of life. You only leave your parents home if you get married, your job takes you away, or you die.

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There are sometimes these ’dramas’ touch you in such a way, that it is totally unexpected and real. The spoofie ones that you enjoy for the lark they are. The dark ones that can be such a chill, you hunch under your protective blanket and jump at your own noises. This one touches so many notes of real, it is an addictive chocolate & wine joy!

I am so impressed with Joon-hee’s maturity and feelings, and the actor’s portrayal of the person. To have someone so stalwart and loving in one’s corner is everyone’s - or at least this woman’s dream. He may be younger in years, but is so mature in his standing and comprehension. I will agree with some that at times he may appear a little too on top of Jin-ah (figuratively here girls!! ;-) ). I think that this is just him doing what he feels the situation calls for, and has not missed stepped yet in this. Also with it being just him and his sister for so long, perhaps this was their give and take also?

With Jin-ah, we all have been privy of her ’journey’ with the piece of ’manhood’ (& and I do use that word sparely) she was with. Has her mother been told the entire-whole-nothing hidden truth on that piece of uck?? I do not know if that would mellow her out any, but get a life lady. Protection of a child is natural, suffocation is not. I had hoped Jin-ah would move out, into Joon-hee’s space, would this solve anything, don’t think so.

Greatly enjoying the characters, story line, portrayals of persons even if some are not my cup of tea. Mom at that door in the dark of night, could it get any scarier? Please, no.

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I'm not updated with these 2 EPs so thank you for recapping @saya and @laica
What does evil mom want? What do you want lady?!!!

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Yes, thank you @laica and @saya <3. Appreciate both of your thoughtful comments!

It's hard to watch the mother and even worse when appa doesn't stand up for himself and for his children.

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I was so infuriated with her mom. I kinda see her in my close friend's mother who is as equally manipulative that my head hurts with just thinking about how they even exist.
I'll give you one scenario that happened just last December when my close friend had an overnight visit at my family's house. Her mother then called her during 3am. She then answered the phone knowing that it's her mom calling. Right then and there, her mother got angry with her answering the phone coz she told her daughter that she should've been sleeping at that time.
I was like, whuuutttt? Why did you even call? They talked for almost an hour arguing why my 28-year old friend was still awake at 3am.

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yup, there it is... mine was sorta crazy like that when i was living alone in an apartment -- came home at 1:30am to hear my phone ringing off the hook (no answering machine attached, or voicemail yet - and fuggedabout cellphones yet)... my poor neighbors, it was summer and my windows were open... and i was 29 years old...

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The way the mother insulted Kyung Sun hurt me to my bone. I hated her from that instance, before I just mildly disliked her. I also liked that Ji-nah went to be with Kyung Sun after she heard that the mother had spoken with her. That shows me the depth of their friendship, because she lied to Joon Hee in order to do so. The mother is hateful and awful and the way she treated the siblings is disgusting beyond the bounds of human decency. Ughh

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Jin-ah choosing to go to Kyung-sun rather than Joon-hee in that moment is why I love this show and love this character. There was no greater way to say "we ARE family" than that.

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so true!

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the way the two friends hugged each other at the door was sooooo sad and sweet and real. Like Kyung Sun REEEEALLY needed a hug and bravo to Jin-Ah for choosing her friend over her boyfriend at that specific time!
their friendship really shone through these last 2 eps!

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They are the best of friends!
I love it when they joke around in formal (sageuk) language.
Jin-ah bows and calls Kyung-sun mama (her royal highness).
Kyung-sun calls Jin-ah a wench in earlier episodes lol.
They laugh a lot and when one is sad the other one would do anything to make her laugh.
That's how you make lasting friendship.
It's no wonder they have been friends for more than 20 yrs.

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What this tells me is that the Netflix translation is as inadequate as I thought it would be

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I can't access Netflix subs yet but it doesn't sounds like it's better than fan subs.

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Right you are! Aside from Netflix being late in airing episodes, their translation is woefully inadequate.
Letting Netflix have the rights to PRETTY NOONA was not a good idea :(
Also fan subs are a week delayed because of this. Aaaaarrrrggghhh!!!

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I have zero sympathy for the mom. She is the WORST! I understand the culture and how it could be sort of 'normal', but regardless, I hate her. She's so two faced and a social climber.

I also don't understand why some people think Joon Hee is overbearing or controlling ???? Are we watching the same show? He's been nothing but caring and supportive.

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Overbearing and controlling? No. Paternalistic and sometimes a little sexist? Yes. He is still a product of this culture after all, no matter how lovely he is.

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I read a bit about the long-drawn out discussion last week on the Paternalistic nature of JH etc... While I agree him being portrayed as an Almost Flawless Puppy is a bit annoying, I wouldn't call him paternalistic and sexist.

Could you give me your take on this pls, @leetennant ?

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Two things stand out:
1. Him partially blaming Jin-ah for her ex not going away
2. The way he responded to the flowers by going behind her back and being violent.

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1. In as much as it stings, JA has been enabling her ex. I have a whole rant about how she's given that worm too many chances or "benefit of the doubt". I was quite irritated about JH blaming JA BEFORE he was going out with her, because I felt he was throwing the comment rather carelessly, not having truly evaluated the situation. But once he started going out with her, I felt like he understood that her naive-nature would also be her downfall, and he wasn't blaming her anymore.

this is not gender-based, so not sexist, imo.

2. (...) I also didn't like the fact that he snuck to her desk and stole the flowers. but again, I wouldn't attribute this to gender. to me, that was just jealousy. and jealousy is ugly, I'll give you that. as for what he did to the ex-boyfriend-worm, trust that I would have done the same to "protect the honor" of any of my sister-friends. it's a matter of temper, (again) not gender, imo. I have a bit of a fiery temper and that worm would have been toast!!

where that encounter could have gone wrong and than, yes, I would have been truly mad at JH, is if he had blamed her for getting surprise flowers. THAT would have pissed me off.

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1. That I can maybe partially see -but Jin Ah has been known for making bad decisions and Joon Hee has known her for a long time. I can give him the benefit of the doubt for that one because once he saw that she really did her best to end it, he didn't say those types of things anymore.
2. The way he responded to the flowers - I feel that was totally justified on his part. That was the guy that tried to sexually assault his girlfriend. And don't you think once he saw that photos that he was furious? Do you think Jin Ah would have wanted to have seen that from her ex? I read those scenes completely different than you did I suppose because I saw that as him being protective of her. She obviously needed protecting because she stupidly didn't report him after that AND she got in the car with him later and was basically kidnapped. She hasn't made good decisions.
She only started to protect herself after she realized how much Joon Hee cherished her. That was the moment she started wising up.
So, I apologize, but I still don't see how that is overbearing or paternalistic.

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It was so startling to see Seungho's wide and pure smile after lunch with his mother and Joonhee! After replaying those few seconds several times to confirm that he was, in fact, yes, smiling, I thought, wait, can we get more of That Seungho please instead of scowling and judging Seungho?

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I'm actually getting less interested in this drama every week. It just feels too dramatic for a 35 year old dating a 30 year old. It's not like he's a high schooler, or a druggie, or ex convict. Both are grown adults with jobs. The mom's reaction just feels so dramatic and over the top and does not seem to stem from love for Jin Ah. I'm just gonna send mental self notes not to do this to my daughter next time...

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The mother turns me off. This beautiful drama was able to draw me in due to its realistic portrayal of a noona-dongsaeng relationship and even workplace harrassment. But then comes the mom that decides to make a makjang out of it. And thanks to her, I've decided to put this drama on hold </3 Why mom!? Why?! URGH.

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I don't think I have anything to say that hasn't already been said. Telling their families was always going to be painful but I hope everyone can live a bit easier with things out in the open - mother notwithstanding.

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YES, the mother of Jin-ah is one for the books. Such a selfish and devious woman.
Her father too is a disappointment this week. After telling Jin-ah earlier "let us do this together" meaning he will help her win Mom over, he caves in and waffles! Goodness gracious!!!
Good thing Seungho IS a great friend and brother. Ditto with Kyung-sun.
I am keeping my fingers -- and toes, too (hehehe) crossed that difficult as it may be, Jin-ah and Joon-hee will be home free so steadfast as they are in their love.
NOW, back to mother again! How dare she storm the apartment of Joon-hee. So unreasonable, so mean and impossible. Goodness, her daughter is not even a minor but an adult who is of age.

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I hate the mom. I had to fast forward when she was on because I was so annoyed.

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I'm happy to see the growth in Jin-Ah and Joon-Hee's characters. Jin-Ah is learning to love herself and stand up for herself. Joon-Hee is becoming more and more mature.
The mother, though intense, has place she's coming from. I think she's just suddenly pushed too far. Everybody has certain shortcomings. Like Jin-Ah and Joon-Hee, I hope she overcomes them.

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I had to write this . I happened tthink catch the last couple of episodes and the director seem to be so I. Love with his heard it through grapevine team that he had the teacher reprise the date for Jin nah . I think if lee joon was there then it wouldn’t have been jung hae in ... and though he’s doing an awesome job . I wouldn’t have minded lee joon too

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I know family is "important" in Korea, but while watching these shows in just wondering at what point will someone just sit there and think "wow, these people suck. I'm good on this." It's seems like in in Kdramas the parents are either cool or assholes.

But I acknowledge I'm biased. I'm the type of person who has no problem dropping someone who's a dick, don't matter our relationship.

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Oh God, will someone please tell that mother that she's a bitch?

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A shout-out to the costume designers who aren't afraid to make our noona very messy . Have you ever seen so much baggy sweats, uncombed hair, slouched posture and scrubbed makeup-free face on a K-drama before? Also, our 35 year old noona looks 16 when she's in her coffee shop uniform.

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This movie is one of my favourite KDramas yet. The on-screen chemistry is great. Does anyone else fanticise a Song-Song Couple relationship between these two because I do.

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