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Are You Human Too: Episodes 17-18

It’s long past time that Nam Shin-III rebelled against everyone who keeps telling him what to do, including So-bong. Even a robot gets tired of being ordered around with no consideration of what he wants, especially a robot who was made to make his own decisions. Unfortunately, a lot of people are finding Nam Shin-III’s newfound independence very inconvenient, and he’ll have to get creative in order to keep protecting the woman he loves (that’s right, I said loves!).

 
EPISODE 17 RECAP

Nam Shin-III activates at 6 am to wake So-bong for her morning jog. He thinks she’s sleeping in, but he lets himself into her room to find it empty, and belatedly remembers that she quit her job as his bodyguard. He does this every morning — forgets momentarily that So-bong is no longer there.

He goes jogging alone, and accidentally projects a hologram of So-bong next to him, whining and complaining. He fixes the “hologram error,” and as he remembers her saying she wants nothing more to do with him, he reminds himself, “Kang So-bong is no longer here.”

So-bong even got Young-hoon to pack up her things, too afraid of Jong-gil’s suspicion to go to the house. Young-hoon worried about her leaving because she’s the best at managing Nam Shin-III, but she’d pointed out that Nam Shin-III could break protocol to protect her again and put them all in danger.

Young-hoon suggested they look into why Nam Shin-III’s rules changed regarding her, but So-bong whined that she doesn’t want to do this anymore. She’d said that she used to think of Nam Shin-III as an object, but he speaks and acts like a person, and she hates that she’s getting emotional about a robot.

Still, her family can tell that she’s distracted. Reporter Jo (who’s staying with So-bong to avoid the idol fans she offended) defends So-bong to her father, saying that she did the professionally responsible thing.

Ro-ra prepares to lead the new M-car team, and Nam Shin-III why So-bong quit. Young-hoon keeps it vague, simply saying that she didn’t want to work anymore. Ro-ra tells Nam Shin-III that he was acting strangely because of her, so So-bong quit before it got worse.

After an awkward pause, Young-hoon redirects the conversation to a presentation Ro-ra is about to give, warning her that Jong-gil will probably be on the offensive. She smiles at Nam Shin-III and says “our Shin” is with her, so she’s not worried.

Her presentation is about her plans to have the team develop their own anti-hacking device. Chang-jo, who’s salty at not being chosen for the new team leader, complains that there’s already a company that makes them, while the team programmer is excited about getting to make his own.

Ro-ra explains that making their own anti-hacking chip will help with the driverless car, but also artificial intelligence products overall. As expected, Jong-gil asks why they have to go to the expense of developing their own chip when they can just buy them from their competitor.

Ro-ra argues that in six months, they can invent a chip that’s smaller and less expensive, and possess the technology themselves. Jong-gil says they can’t afford to wait six months while the rest of the market catches up to them, calling it a waste of money to do it themselves.

To Ro-ra’s surprise, Nam Shin-III stands and says that the price isn’t the point — what matters is the negative impression left behind after the M-car’s disastrous driving test. He says that if the public is still reacting unfavorably in six months, the M-car will never be a success. He states that they need the chip immediately to show the public that the M-car is being fixed now.

While his mother gapes at him, he tells Jong-gil to convince the competitor to bring the price down ten percent, then finalize the deal. Meanwhile, he says they can use the profits from M-car sales to bankroll their own anti-hacking chip. Jong-gil smirks, Chairman Nam laughs with delight, and Ro-ra steams at Nam Shin-III’s perceived betrayal.

After the meeting, Jong-gil tells Nam Shin-III that he’s changed from his old emotional self. Nam Shin-III quips, “Why, are you afraid of my change? I’m kidding… human beings change, so why can’t I?” Oops, that’s a little too close to the truth, and Young-hoon puts a stop to the conversation.

In private, Ro-ra asks Nam Shin-III why he took Jong-gil’s side. Nam Shin-III says he just took in the data and determined that restoring the public’s faith was the priority. Ro-ra snaps that that’s her decision, not his, and asks if he’ll support Jong-gil every time he’s right about something. Poor Nam Shin-III is all, “Is that wrong?”

Sensing that this is going nowhere good, Young-hoon reminds Nam Shin-III that he has an appointment with Ye-na. Ro-ra complains that Nam Shin-III is ruining their plans, but Young-hoon says that actually, Chairman Nam was very pleased with the meeting, and Shin will get the credit for what Nam Shin-III did.

So-bong goes through her things, unable to find her mother’s locket. She finds her tablet, which still has video on it from the bug she set up in Nam Shin-III’s room. She thinks sadly of how she told Nam Shin-III that she doesn’t want anything to do with him, tossing away the tablet in frustration.

So-bong gets ready to walk around with a sign advertising the gym, saying that she has to pull her weight in some way. Reporter Jo runs in all excited, having heard that Nam Shin is getting married… next week. So-bong’s careful lack of response is pretty telling.

Ye-na takes Nam Shin-III out with her friends, who marvel that she finally caught “Shin” after crushing on him for years. She whispers to Nam Shin-III to put an arm around her and look close, and when one friend mentions how she used to complain he would never kiss her, Ye-na growls at him to kiss her cheek. He’s so obedient that her friends ask if he’s really Shin.

One guy asks what happened to his bodyguard, curious if she’s as pretty in real life as she looked on TV. Ye-na sneers that So-bong will do anything for money, so the jerk decides he wants to hire her and play with her. He asks Nam Shin-III for her number, and Nam Shin-III nearly twists his arm off.

Trying to smooth things over, Ye-na says she’ll give the guy So-bong’s number, and Nam Shin-III turns his cold eyes on her and suddenly, every cell phone in the room explodes. Only Ye-na and Young-hoon know that Nam Shin-III did it, and Young-hoon quickly gets Nam Shin-III out of there.

Outside, Young-hoon asks if Nam Shin-III wants everyone to figure out he’s a robot. Nam Shin-III defends that they were saying bad things about So-bong, but Young-hoon says that doesn’t matter anymore since she quit. Nam Shin-III says, “But I keep seeing her. There are constant errors causing me to see her. I don’t know the cause yet.”

Disturbed, Young-hoon tells him to focus on pretending to be Shin for now, and Shin wasn’t close to So-bong. But Nam Shin-III says that he’s different from Shin, and he is close to So-bong.

He says he can’t be Shin no matter how hard he tries, but if he acts like himself, Young-hoon and Ro-ra get angry. “But not So-bong,” he continues. “She’s the only person who accepts me for who I am. Is that why I keep seeing her?”

That night, Ro-ra looks at a photo of herself and young Shin, which reminds her of his kidnapping and how he blamed her for his father’s death. Young-hoon had told her that Shin was very angry and pushed everyone away, and Ro-ra had sighed that since Shin never smiled, she gave Nam Shin-III the ability to smile instead.

Young-hoon arrives to talk to her, unaware that Snake followed him to Ro-ra’s hotel. He tells her about Nam Shin-III’s visions of So-bong, but Ro-ra says that there haven’t been any changes in his nervous network. Young-hoon worries about the risks when she considers going into his nervous system, so Ro-ra offers to speak with So-bong first.

At the house, Nam Shin-III wanders around So-bong’s empty room, and he tells little Chingu that she’s not coming anymore. He holds her locket and wonders how to return it when she wants nothing to do with him.

Shin’s doctor worries about Young-hoon and tells him to come to the hospital for a checkup. He asks Young-hoon why he even started all this, and after he’s gone, Young-hoon wonders the same thing.

He tells the sleeping Shin that at first, Nam Shin-III reminded him of Shin, but now seeing Shin makes him think of Nam Shin-III. He says that Nam Shin-III is pestered by him and Ro-ra the same way Shin was always pestered by Chairman Nam, so he pities Nam Shin-III even though he’s a robot. He says softly, “Shin-ah, hurry and wake up before my feelings get more complicated.”

Snake follows Ro-ra when she leaves the hotel in a taxi. So-bong is in the taxi with her, and after a short distance, the driver pulls over and gets out so they can speak privately. Ro-ra ask what So-bong did to make Nam Shin-III change so much, and So-bong admits that she told him to do what he thinks is right.

Ro-ra chastises So-bong for being careless and orders her to put Nam Shin-III back the way he was. She says that if So-bong doesn’t, she’ll have to do it, and tells So-bong to consider it a favor to both Nam Shin-III and Shin.

Remembering Ro-ra talking about Nam Shin-III’s kill switch So-bong asks, “How is that helping them both? You only care about the one lying in bed. You say he’s your son but you’re sacrificing him for your real son. Didn’t you call me here only because people may find out he’s a robot?”

Ro-ra tells her to meet with Nam Shin-III or not, but the rest is none of her business. So-bong agrees that she doesn’t want to be involved anymore and tells Ro-ra not to call her again, but Ro-ra gives her until tomorrow morning to change her mind. Snake follows Ro-ra’s taxi back to the hotel, but when she gets out, he tells his driver to keep following the other car.

After being dropped off, So-bong thinks about Ro-ra’s offer of time to change her mind about talking to Nam Shin-III. She takes out her phone and pulls up his number, but instead of calling it, she deletes it.

The next day, Snake reports to Jong-gil that Ro-ra met with So-bong. It’s his theory that So-bong is deeply involved with something, and Jong-gil decides to get her to talk. Snake says that he just needs to take care of Shin, but Jong-gil snaps that he should have done the job properly in the first place.

Snake reminds Jong-gil of what he did twenty years ago, and says he can just do that again. Jong-gil says darkly that if Snake ever mentions that again, he’ll be gotten rid of first.

In the morning, Nam Shin-III is excited when Ro-ra calls him to meet with her. David argues with Ro-ra, who wants to install a manual mode in Nam Shin-III to control him remotely, saying that it’s not Nam Shin-III’s fault if he does something unpredictable because they made him that way. She barks that he could be discovered and their enemies could learn about the real Shin’s coma.

Nam Shin-III overhears their talk about installing a manual mode. Ro-ra promises that it’s only in case of an emergency and that nobody would control him but her, and that she’ll remove it once it’s no longer needed. She wants to talk to him about it privately, and he looks to Young-hoon, who seems unsettled but tells him to trust Ro-ra.

But Nam Shin-III jerks his arm from Ro-ra’s grasp when he gets a call from So-bong. He answers and tells her where he is, and she says for him to come out.

EPISODE 18 RECAP

He finds her waiting outside with her dad’s van, and she tosses him the keys and tells him, “Slave, drive.” He tosses them back with a sunny smile and says he’s not her slave anymore, and she glares at Ro-ra and says she’s borrowing Nam Shin-III and not to call them.

Not much has changed — So-bong complains at Nam Shin-III’s stubborn insistence on following the driving laws. She says that humans sometimes break the rules, but Nam Shin-III intones that he’s not human, then asks why she “borrowed” him. So-bong tells him to pull over, but he refuses, saying that today he’s going to act according to his own judgment like she told him to do.

He buys a pair of electric bikes, and as he buckles So-bong into her helmet, he tells her about his “error” that made him see her while jogging. Since she was always complaining in his replays, he says he wanted to get her an electric bicycle if he ever saw her again. Oh, you sweet robot.

They enjoy riding the bikes, and when they reach a steep stairway, Nam Shin-III offers to carry the bikes to the top. So-bong objects, so he suggests they play rock-paper-scissors. He warns So-bong that she won’t win against him, then correctly predicts her next few throws, but he carries the bikes anyway.

They get separated, and So-bong stops at an overlook to enjoy the view. Nam Shin-III surprises her with an ice cream, and she says she’s jealous that he doesn’t sweat or get hot. He agrees, but adds that there’s nobody he can talk to about it: “Everyone tells me not to do anything and to hide myself. But I can tell you everything. Since you know the real me, I can show you everything.”

He continues that he think this is why he keeps having “errors” and seeing her. So-bong snaps at him to pay her if he keeps seeing her there, but he says she wouldn’t take the money if he did. She tells him that humans don’t show their real selves either, and gives him a high five.

Nam Shin-III holds up his hand for another high five, but when So-bong smacks it, he entwines their fingers together. He asks her to tell him what she wants to say, knowing that she’s been stalling, promising not to get hurt or angry. Instead, she pulls away and says she’s thirsty, so Nam Shin-III goes to get her a drink.

He decides to return her locket, but she calls him and tells him not to come back. He can see her across the street, but she says she can’t say this to his face. She says that she told him to act on his own, but she takes it back. She orders him to go back to being a slave, and to obey Young-hoon and Ro-ra, because it’s what’s best for both of them.

Nam Shin-III wants to know why, so So-bong tells him that Jong-gil threatened her, and that if he keeps acting like he’s been, she’ll be in danger. She says that today was fun, but that she doesn’t want to see him again. She hangs up, and the light changes, allowing the cars to move again.

Nam Shin-III steps forward, and So-bong hears cars honking behind her. She turns to see him walking across the street, uncaring about traffic rules or the danger to himself. Without a word, he takes out her locket and fastens it around her neck, then he promises to turn back into a slave now and tells her goodbye for real this time. He gives her a tiny, sad smile, then leaves.

He goes to Ro-ra and tells her to install the manual mode program. She thanks him and gives him a hug, but he doesn’t hug her back, standing stony and silent.

The next morning, So-bong’s electric bike is delivered to the gym, with no sender listed. Robocop guesses that it’s from that rich guy as a goodbye present since he’s getting married, but Reporter Jo argues that his marriage has nothing to do with So-bong.

The day of the wedding arrives, and a smug Jong-gil asks Ro-ra to open up to him now that they’re going to be in-laws. She says a marriage won’t change their relationship and accuses him of still wanting to get rid of Shin like he did his father. She says she’ll be watching him, and will expose everything he did to Shin and Jung-woo.

Dropping the nice act, Jong-gil growls that he survived, not Jung-woo. Ro-ra snaps that if he touches Shin she won’t care if he’s married to Jong-gil’s daughter — she’ll make Ye-na pay. As she walks away, Jong-gil tells Toady to proceed with the plan to make So-bong talk by the end of the day.

Nam Shin-III dejectedly rides his electric bike around the pool, dressed in his wedding tuxedo. Ro-ra brings him a new watch battery that allows her to remote into his newly-installed manual mode. Young-hoon directs Nam Shin-III to go greet the wedding guests, and he obeys wordlessly, with empty eyes. Young-hoon tells Ro-ra that they won’t need the manual mode since Nam Shin-III has been obedient ever since seeing So-bong.

Ye-na doesn’t look any happier than Nam Shin-III, but Jong-gil actually tears up to see his little girl in her wedding dress. She fixes his tie and apologizes vaguely, sending Jong-gil into more tears. But as soon as he leaves, his expression goes sharp again.

He goes out to the party and motions to Chang-jo, who tells Ro-ra that someone wants to talk to her. Toady sidles over to her table and plucks her phone from her purse, then uses it to log onto a program on a tablet.

So-bong gets a text from Ro-ra’s phone saying that Jong-gil learned the truth about Shin, asking her to get rid of a file on her desk at the office. It’s really from Toady, of course, who quickly deletes the conversation and returns the phone.

So-bong rushes to the company building, but she can’t find any file on Ro-ra’s desk. Snake is there, though, with a form for her to fill out regarding Shin. She tries to run, but he says that Jong-gil knows the truth, and he grabs her and demands she tell him what she knows. He throws her up against the M-car, which suddenly roars to life, surprising them both as it revs its engine.

Wisely, So-bong makes a run for it, and Snake follows her out. He catches her (by the hair, ouch!) and sticks a gun under her chin. He forces her down to the parking garage and into the truck of his car, but he doesn’t get very far before the M-car places itself directly in his path, blocking his exit.

Snake turns around, but the M-car blocks him off again. He tries a different direction, but the lights in the parking garage all go out, plunging him into darkness. A figure walks out of the dark — it’s Nam Shin-III, and Snake sees his face for the first time.

He tries to ram Nam Shin-III with his car, but the android places his hands on the hood and stops the car easily. He slams his fist down on the hood of the car, hard enough to pop both front tires, then he looks up at Snake, pure fury in his eyes.

 
COMMENTS

Okay, that whole scene was a bit dramatic, but very prettily done, all the same. I find it a bit of a stretch that the M-car got itself downstairs, much less so quickly, even guided by Nam Shin-III. But I do love me some Shinbot in Hero Mode, and that last scene was beautifully lit and filmed, and I’m just shallow enough to let that sway me into getting all emotional about it. I don’t know why a robot protecting a cranky, mostly unlikable girl is so swoony, but it is, because he’s doing it for exactly the right reasons — So-bong is the only person who sees Nam Shin-III for who he is and not what he can do for them, and she’s the only person who doesn’t try to change him into something or someone he isn’t. If that’s not love, on both sides, then I don’t know what is.

So-bong is not the kind of heroine I usually enjoy… she’s too contrary and stubborn and resists all good advice, which makes it hard for me to soften towards her. But I do respect her independent mind, particularly in the way she’s pushing back against developing human feelings towards a robot. It’s very innocently romantic to think, “Oh, a drama about a human and a robot falling in love, how sweet,” but I find So-bong’s negative reaction to her feelings very realistic. As adorable and lovable and sweet as he is, Nam Shin-III is not a human being. He’s not flesh and blood. But I will still argue that he’s a person, just a new kind of person, he’s just not the kind of person that human beings have experience with. Developing any kinds of feelings of compassion or caring towards Nam Shin-III is distressing for So-bong because there’s no precedent and no guidance for how to handle such a situation, and that’s totally in line with her personality. Bring in the attraction she’s beginning to feel for him, not to mention the very real danger she’s in from Jong-gil, and I can see why her knee-jerk response is just to get away.

But it’s not just So-bong who’s getting emotionally attached to Nam Shin-III… Young-hoon is starting to care for him too, to the point that he’s on the verge of making himself sick with worry and anxiety. His feelings towards Shin have always been tangled up in the luxury that being Shin’s shadow allowed him to live in, but his relationship to Nam Shin-III is much simpler. Not only is he in charge of keeping Nam Shin-III safe, which is bound to elicit feelings of protectiveness, but the robot looks to him for guidance, and to teach him about the world. It’s no wonder that Young-hoon is becoming emotionally involved the same way So-bong is, no matter how much they tell themselves that Nam Shin-III is “just” a robot.

And then of course there’s Nam Shin-III, who’s getting all kinds of emotionally attaches to So-bong, whether or not he realizes it. He’s not having “errors,” he just misses her! And you cannot convince me that the look on Nam Shin-III’s face as he glared at Snake wasn’t real, white-hot fury. But I really love how the show isn’t trying to convince the audience that our Shinnamon Roll has human-like emotions, but instead is subtly redefining what it means to be a person as Nam Shin-III evolves into something more than what he was made to be. Maybe he doesn’t feel emotions like people do, but he worries and cares and even loves, in his own unique way. The trick will be whether So-bong and Young-hoon will be able to understand that and accept Nam Shin-III’s version of love, or if they’ll be like Ro-ra and insist that because he isn’t a person in the same way they are, then he’s not any kind of person at all.

 
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I... totally cried within the first four minutes of this episode.

I couldn't help it! I just wanted to reach through the screen and hug the poor boy. And admittedly, this is not the first time I've had a robot child I've cried over. But this was definitely a different experience.

@justme and I both screamed, "You're just in love, darlin" when he kept experiencing those errors.

And I completely missed the fact that the electric bikes were PPL because I was just so happy that ShinnaBong was back! (Thanks for the wake-up call, @cloggie)

Oh. and yes, I totally, totally flailed when he held her hand. Because I'm a softie.

I also loved the fact that the "Noble Idiocy" moment felt completely justified. There were genuine stakes and reasons for their little goodbye.

*off to rewatch the episode and rock back and forth as I hope that this drama will have a happy ending*

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Bams... no longer hiding in the garden... 🙊

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I know.. O.o

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I am someone who doesn't cry even while watching the saddest of melodramas. HOWEVER, while the first four minutes didn't make me cry, my eyes actually watered when NSIII agreed to the manual mode tweak. OMG I HATED that scene so much. If only W could happen in real life cause then I would have been able to go into this drama & rip him away from his little bitch of a creator who is a disgrace on the word "mother". My heart was dreading the next moments because we all know how Rora would have used him if she had fed that formula into his system. NSIII would have been as good as dead. But thankfully it was just fed into his watch which he can rip off anytime. But imagine if it had been the former.....oh man I don't even want to think about it. It's so utterly wrong & vile. It's disgusting.

On another note, the fact that I cried over this means that I am too attached to NSIII & seeing him too much like a real person (see what I did there? XD) & now that we are halfway through, I am starting to think about how I will be able to say goodbye to NSIII & wondering if I should abandon this drama - not cause it's that bad or anything but because if I don't see the end then atleast it will feel like NSIII is an actual person who keeps on living somewhere in this world or maybe another if it makes sense. But I also can't stop & I just....damn it NSIII Y U GOTTA BE JUST A CHARACTER TT^TT

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Also, I hate hugs, it makes me feel like bugs are crawling all over my skin, but there are few things I have wished for more strongly than just hugging NSIII. Not even say anything but just wrap him in my arms & stay like that & protect him from all the evil machinations of the world.

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Yes. T_T

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EXACTLY.

This drama messes with my feelings. It's not right. It's flawed in so many ways, uses so many tropes.. And yet it tugs my heart and pulls it back and I adore it. I don't want to say goodbye to Shinnamon, I want him to live happily, freely, being the sassy real boy that he is.

When can we call Geppetto?

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When Nam Shin-III bought the electric bicycles and then told So-bong, "Let's ride until the battery dies out" ....... tell me, dear Beanies, if your hearts didn't sink.

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I completely missed that.

I..

No, *lalalalala* I.. can I ignore that? Heck no am I accepting that foreshadowing! Heck NO!

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I wished I would've missed that line!

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I wish I could forget it now that I know.. T_T

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Nope. Complete denial over here. Batteries can always be recharged.

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You guys have beautiful souls. I just snorted at that sentence while thinking of it in a non-kdrama robot romance context...

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...oh my GOD I can’t read the comment any other way now. Why must you tarnish my innocent thoughts.

I’m actually crying and laughing at the same time. WHYYYYY?!

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I support u in this endeavor kang so bong.

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You and me are those people in the theatre watching Titanic rolling our eyes and going, "Dear God, will the boat just SINK".

Or reading this
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/henry-8000-male-sex-robot-12255835
and wondering if they deliver to our country.

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Nam Shin-III steps forward, and So-bong hears cars honking behind her. She turns to see him walking across the street, uncaring about traffic rules or the danger to himself. Without a word, he takes out her locket and fastens it around her neck, then he promises to turn back into a slave now and tells her goodbye for real this time. He gives her a tiny, sad smile, then leaves.

This was the saddest part of the episode. While RoboShin ignoring traffic rules and deciding to just go to So-bong made me happy (he broke rules and made another decision on his own! yay!), him telling her he's going back to becoming a slave again and bidding her goodbye was just so heartbreaking. Our Shinammon roll must've been happy that So-bong told him to do whatever he wants but in the end she was the one to tell him to become who he used to be (we all know she's doing it for the puppy).

Let the puppies become happy, show!

Also, this scene reminded me of INAR. Both shows had their puppies do the necklace thingy say their goodbyes on episode 18.

Maybe RoboShin watched too many dramas that he just decided to make INAR his reference?

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*do the necklace thingy and say their goodbyes*

I got too excited for the recap that my sentences are becoming more and more incomplete. Thank you for the recap, @lollypip!

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Ooof, when she told him she was in danger but that she didn't want to see him (so he couldn't protect her the way he wants to) ...

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So great that he COULD change the traffic lights, and she knows he could, but he deliberately doesn't change the lights as a last act of defiance before he bids farewell to her and freedom, and bends the neck again for her sake and because he can't do it with nobody by his side. NS-3 was always resisting, but she gave him the language and concepts for what's happening to him, and also the opportunity to feel what being valued as an independent individual is like. (I'm torn between going 'Never care about Human NS, So Bong!' and being a bit charmed by the idea of a jealous NS-3, who would for sure be jealous, but how would he explain that to himself? Rage glitches at the sight of anyone else romantically bike riding with his lady! Of course he uses independence to buy her gifts and take her out on a date.)

I still like Ro Ra--she's so complicated and clever and difficult, even while she breaks NS-3's heart (though I also liked So Bong all along, because I love a rough-around-the-edges-lady, gruff with a heart of gold, plus she's so vivacious... maybe I just love all difficult ladies) but she insists on giving NS-3 the same terrible responses of rejection all the time, despite the fact they're not working and his reactions to her are drastically changing. The poor pet, he was so happy for her to call him and to think of them going to work together. She could've done anything she liked with him. But then he hears her propose making him a puppet, and he literally breaks her hold on him when So Bong called him. It reminds me of what Young Hoon said to Ye Na, the true opinion betraying itself--though I actually do think Ro Ra loves N3-3, she just clearly feels any tenderness to him is a betrayal to Human NS. (Not that this makes the withdrawal of her love any more right, or less painful, for NS-3.)

Also clever of the show to make NS 3's vulnerabilities slowly apparent to us. At first they might have made us think of him as less of a person, but now we see him as a person and react to him being controlled or having his battery taken away as violation.

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I like everything that was said except for Ro Ra, I don't really feel for her character.

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It is hard for sure watching her treat NS 3 this way.

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Agree! I do not like Ro Ra either. She was just so emotional and irrational in this episode and rewatching it and reading this recap makes me think that the "real" Shin in her head is the 8 year old boy pre-kidnapping and not the 28 year old Shin who's been whipped into place by Chairman Nam and Mr. Seo.

Basically, Ro Ra is just delusional. I'm waiting for her to snap into reality! I'm waiting for her to see that her son is no longer a boy. He's a man! And I'm waiting for her to make that same connection to Nam Shin 3....but I don't know if it'll happen at this rate :(

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I think you've got it exactly right. She thinks the compliant 8 year old she remembers is her son. Not only is she flipping out about the robot being a tiny bit independent, she would flip out to meet the dude from the first episode. Remember that there is the Korean expectation of filial obedience and all ... but she's mis-calibrated from the get go.

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So great that he COULD change the traffic lights, and she knows he could, but he deliberately doesn't change the lights as a last act of defiance before he bids farewell to her and freedom, and bends the neck again for her sake and because he can't do it with nobody by his side.

You said it so well! While I do not like how Ro-ra's character is progressing (more like regressing), I'm still hoping that she just thinks that liking RoboShin is like a betrayal to the real Shin and that she realizes her mistakes later on.

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"Also clever of the show to make NS 3's vulnerabilities slowly apparent to us. At first they might have made us think of him as less of a person, but now we see him as a person and react to him being controlled or having his battery taken away as violation."

Yes!!! I think we're all taking the same journey as So Bong... We have fallen in love as well! lol

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After watching the latest episodes, I'm glad you're on Ro Ra's side on this one, Mary Brennan. :) I had to see things before I believe her, but you believed in her first.

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So creepy guy with snake tattoo is also the creepy police commissioner from Forest of Secrets. Someone know which side of their bread is buttered.

Ro-ra is really showing who she is, isn't she. While she is not textbook, kdrama villian, it sure feels that way everytime she, speaks or has a reaction.

Cannot wait to discuss the next episode because OMG!!!! When is the next recap coming.

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He’s also the jerk chaebol husband in “Buamdong Revenge Club”. 😬😬😬

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So-bong is such a cranky sin-namon roll but dang, if I don't love her for it. She's so compassionate under her bitter crust, always looking out for Nam Shin-III. She joined Team Robot not to help the real Shin but because Nam Shin-III was kind to her so she repaid that kindness, and she's the only one who respects that he is his own person. Even now she tells him to return to slavery hoping to save him from his "mother". She has such a good heart beneath all her anger and pain and I'm glad our Pinocchio is bringing out the softness in her.

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I can't help but like her as a character. Most of the characters, actually, because they're all so layered and complex. She's not likeable, per se, but I still like her for who she is, bad decisions and all. RoboShin is maybe the only person in her life who completely respects her and looks out for her without wanting anything in return except her company. That's a lot to give up, so her choice to do so to save him from his 'mother' means even more.

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I love So-bong. I LOVE her. Crankiness and all. Who needs another heroine who is just happy and smiling all the time? Booooring.

And actually, I don’t think she’s been that cranky lately. No more than anyone else in her very confusing situation would be. I find her to be very realistic these last couple of episodes and I look forward to seeing more of her character, seeing her handle all of... this.

Poor girl.

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Love her! Ladies rarely get to be complicated, and forgiven for it. Plus it's nice to see a complementary couple, and fun to have it be so twisty: NS 3 is the emotionally open one, even though he thinks he has no feelings. (And he says so reassuringly to humans he cares for--So Bong but also Young Hoon, though it's not what So Bong wants to hear!--as it's what his mom taught him?) She's the pretends-not-to-care swaggering jerk who longs for and is secretly super affected by his tenderness! I love when she looks at him and visibly throws up her heart of gold in her mouth, then has to swallow it back down. I would like to see her fight, though. Kick an enemy in the face, So Bong!

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Yes, I want to see her kick some butt, too! Gong Seung-yeon said she trained for this role, so that all isn’t going to go to waste, right?

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Yes! Really surprised that Lollypip doesn't like So-bong because there is so much to recommend her. She's not exactly unlikable or likeable- she's a complex person. So-bong has agency, she's trying to navigate a nest of vipers where she can't trust anyone (difficult for her when you think that even her closest "friend" used her), she has a traumatic past without it defining her and she is hilariously spiky. She's a full person. And her defiance is also probably part of the reason that she recognises Nam Shin for being a person. Because she refuses to accept what everyone else is telling her, and naturally wants something better for the sweet bot in front of her who is being ordered around by everyone.

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I cried for RoboShin because he doesn't have tear ducts. I can't even pick the saddest scene, but riding his bike in the tuxedo ranks right up there. [Major props to Seo Kang-Joon, though. He's playing this robot so well - that necklace scene! Even when showing emotion he's still stiff, held back, not quite fully human. I'm impressed. Though I did always like him.]
So-Bong isn't doing much better; the conflict she's facing is so real. But they work so well together that I am shipping them regardless of the immense hurdles they'd face (like having to make a new body every few years! whether or not a relationship with an android would be equally fulfilling as one with a human, flaws and all, the fact that he could get a new face but then wouldn't be Seo Kang Joon ...).
I can't tell if Daddy Jong-Il actually loves Ye-Na or not. The way his tears dried up so fast made me wonder if it was all just an act.
I'm also not sold that Jong-Il and Ro-Ra don't have some romantic history. There was some long-standing tension there that made me wonder if Ro-ra chose her husband over Jong-Il and that is maybe what sent him into evil. Plus in ep. 1 Jong-Il is the one Ro-ra listens to about leaving her son.

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Jong-Il loves her. Their dynamic in the 1st episode and him reluctant to have her marry Shin because he wants her to marry someone who truly loves her.

If he did not, he would have sold her off as soon as she was legal.

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True. But it could also be because he's using her as a bargaining chip later, when her position is stronger. I think he didn't want her to marry Shin because he wants to kill Shin, which could also be a sign that he loves her.
Barely coherent, but suffice to say that dude is messed up and I don't trust anything positive we're shown yet :/

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She would never agree to it. She wanted Shin and that is all the tracked with her.

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I'm getting more and more worried about what's in store for Nam Shin III by the END of this drama. :"(

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Yes, please drama, don't make cry like Absolute Boyfriend did to me...

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Maybe his cpu can get transplanted into coma boy's body ...

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Literally what I've been thinking from about episode 2...
"maybe they'll use Shinnamon Bot to wake Real Shin up and then he'll be a Hybrid Shin. If Mum can make a fully functioning AI she can do that... right?"

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He's made the reference about "cyborgs" twice so I thought it might be foreshadowing.

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I hope so haha

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His bitch of a mother is really just shifting me in all the wrong ways. I just want him to be happy dang it, but I can tell everything is just starting to fall apart, and this is going to be a long and painful fall.

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My thought after every episode "Seo Kang Joon is so handsome !".

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Yes he is.

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While watching this show asks for you to believe many impossible things (and fall in love with a robot) the kidnapping at the end just took me out. Girl, there is an emergency latch in the trunk of the car. Pop it open and run. She could have been free as soon as Snake got back into the car. But I get it. There is no drama with easy resolutions.

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Ooh there is an emergency latch in car trunks? ! when where how?! How did i drive all these years w/o knowing?! Can you enlighten me further in case my future life ever takes a kdramatic turn!

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For the last 15 years (post-2002), it has been mandatory for cars to have emergency truck release lever - at least in America. I can’t say that it is effective worldwide, but my old Hyundai Sonata had it. So the Korean car manufacturers produce cars with the feature. Look in the trunk and check it out.

But nevermind me, I’m overthinking a drama scene.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2000/10/20/00-27038/federal-motor-vehicle-safety-standards-interior-trunk-release

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2QNm5MWjLMg

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RUNI? YOU WOKE UP FROM HIBERNATION FOR THIS DRAMA? noooo get back to your thesisssssss! ;)

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I think a car that's been prepared for kidnapping would probably not have an emergency anything

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Also, isn't she a super fighter?

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He did have a gun though... *shrugs*

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I love So Bong, dammnit. Love her lack of good decision making skills (usually), and that her specialty is running away from complicated feelings and situations™. Her personality is a bit of a Mess overall and it's Great. I even appreciate how annoying she *can* be now, even though she hasn't annoyed me the past couple of episodes.

Also, dude...can we talk about how Young Hoon is actually in love with Real Shin but doesn't realize it? Feels,man.

Why isn't this drama Fantasy Sci-Fi? Just so some magical unseen God turns Shinnamon into a real boy at the end of the drama, and my adorable OTP can get the happy ending they deserve.

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NSIII at the board meeting scene when he act against his mother idea is soo satisfying to watch. You can clearly see in that scene, despite the sign of him wanting to be independent, he can separate profesionalisme and relationship. The look of RoRa's eyes when his son is start to rebel is so satisfying. I think Rora is starting to feel threaten that she will no longer can control him, which will destroy her plan. I think in order kill switch to activated, he has to be a complete controlled by her, if not it won't be work. I think my main draw to this drama will be the conflict between NS, NSIII and his mom. It seems it will makes me cry?

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I have hope that NSIII already knows about the kill switch and has neutralized it. And we will learn about it later.
Regarding Oh Ro Ra, I think all her bad decisions are driven by guilt. And also think that after Nam Shin wakes up and they solve their issues, she will be able to look at NSIII from a different perspective and acknowledge her mistakes. I'm sure that there will be conflict about this, but my guess is that in the end Oh Ro Ra will ask forgiveness to NSIII too.

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I don't know, it will depend on of how human NS will react when he know NSIII existent as a robot. He is a jerk at the beginning of this drama, so I won't expect a warm welcome to our RobiShin. I predict he has no idea about thr kill switch since he is still act the same in front of his mother and always mutter he won't die. I think David will be the one who will prevent it happening.

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Don't know, I guess I might be in denial of all the bad things that could happen to our dear Roboshin. :(

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NS's mom is seriously being such a terrible person the past few episodes. When David yelled at her for getting out the kill switch, it was so satisfying to watch. I don't completely hate the woman yet, but David's right that she's been a bad mom all her life. So far, David has been pretty underrated in this drama. I don't know what he's plotting with Grandpa but I hope our Shinnamon roll gets out of it alive.

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"a cranky, mostly unlikable girl"

warning: a high degree of nitpicking and a huge load of salt ahead.

alright, let's agree to disagree here. but dang, am I sick of this pattern of disliking a heroine purely because she... doesn't do the things you think she should do? Because she's not emotionally compliant with everyone around her and doesn't always do the right thing? Because she has the audacity to know her own mind and make her own mistakes? If we're going to pigeonhole So Bong in the box of "contrary, resists good advice, and is unlikable", then shouldn't we do the exact same to say Young Hoon? He's contrary! He resists good advice! He's not even as open as So Bong is, but we give him a pass because........ i don't know, because he has the luck of being in a bromance and is idk unfailingly loyal? (Which I'd like to say that So Bong is ALSO unfailingly loyal, but hey, she's a girl right!!!! Girls don't get to do those things without being unfairly excoriated for that.)

Come on, let's at least give So Bong a chance to be her own person. God knows kdramas rarely ever let their female characters actually BE human beyond vapid cookie cutter cutouts who only exist to validate male characters. if So Bong has to bear the brunt of all those apparently negative personality traits, then can we at least allow her to do so without nitpicking her every single time? please, that's all i ask for.

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I usually say, "Everyone's entitled to their opinion..." especially that it's the comments section of the recap, but I really want to appreciate how you defended So Bong's character. In contrast to my first opinion of her in the previous episodes, I like her more now. I also loved her character development.

Thanks for your view on the matter, @yaywon

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I'm completely with you here @yaywon. I love So Bong's character. I don't think she's unlikable at all.

I am probably one of the few people who thought her character was interesting from the early episodes on. When she was scamming her employers with the fake camera, I thought: wow, at least they didn't make the heroine a smiling candy this time round. Not that there's anything bad about that, but we see that character in kdramas over and over again, and I loved (loved!) that they did something different here.

Is scamming your employer a bad thing to do? Sure. Was I amused by it? Absolutely!! And lets face it, if she always did what she was told, she wouldn't tell RoboShin to rebel by making his own decisions, to go against what other people tell him to do.

The development that I so enjoy seeing in RoboShin all comes from So Bong telling him to be his own person - as she has been her own person all along.

Screw the rules, stop listening to people in authority, go through the traffic lights, stand up to your mum, don't obey all those ridiculous demands that everybody puts on you, don't act the way they want you to act - but just be yourself.

For me, it's impossible not to cheer her on all the way. You go girl.

(sorry, that got a bit long)

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That's why i like her so much. Gong seung yeon delivered her role flawlessly. She seems so realistic comparing to the other heroines in usual korean dramas. She is not a mary sue (which most people likes) well this is different. I remember last time that the director or writer (can't remember)said that this will be a different drama compared to other korean dramas. And they pulled it off so well that most hated So Bong XD
Oh Kudos to Seung yeon. She is such a good actress. She desevres to br praised since Kang joon is always recognized for his acting in ayht :) seung yeon deserves to be praised as well ^-^

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Same!! I was surprised by the amt of dislike for her character cuz i felt like her actions were mostly realistic unlike the usual selfless candies.. like ofc you wanna earn money on the side... or her running away from complicated situations.

I think most of us are probably like that in real life.. a little rude and putting our interests first? Guess that makes a poor heroine who we have been brainwashed since toddlerhood must be a selfless too the extent of stupidity - unerringly polite - full of noble idiocy Cinderella maid or pick your fav princess *shudders**not sure why this suddenly turned into me talking bout children's fiction and how terrible all those stupid princess tales are in propagating ancient sexist notions and omg I'm so glad my neices&nephews have better options now*

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Plus let's not forget that she saved lots of people in that fire by her practical but brave actions. If that wasn't heroic, then I don't know what is...

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One of the favourite thing to me about So Bong is how real her conflict is. Every time Nam Shin tried to swoon her you could see how she was fighting and keeping in check her emotions. This is what everybody would do in her situation. And people are selfish and she admits it. Plus she treated him much better than most of the characters in the drama.

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GSY brings a certain spunk and authenticity to Sobong that I find really appealing. I've said this before but I think I wouldn't have cared so much for this character if another actress were playing her. GSY is super pretty as well that I sometimes just stare at her onscreen and forget to read subtitles.

@cloggie, I love your take on Sobong. What drew me into her was her history as a disgraced MMA fighter, with breaks just not going her way, which made her jaded and trust people less. I like how being around NSIII is making her show her inner softie and making her trust people once again. (Seriously, how can she not fall for RoboPuppy?)

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I'm going to reiterate what you said: "She seems so realistic" because I agree too!

I think what's real about her is that she's a fighter both literally and figuratively. And aren't we all fighters too in our own lives? In life, you just gotta win as many battles as you can - which means you'll have to contradict yourself sometimes, reassess your own actions and lose (often!) whether you like it or not. Does that means you're less of a person? No, on the contrary, I think her actions show us that it is precisely that, that incongruity of human actions due to a result of decision making based on circumstances that makes us human. That's why people are inconsistent in their actions and words. That's why people get called hypocrites and liars. Not necessarily because they are, but because they are fighting to win their own battles that we're not aware of.

This is precisely what we see in this series. We see all these characters fighting their own battles: Young Hoon and his feelings for human Shin, Mr. Seo and his greed, Yena and her one-sided love for human Shin, Ro Ra and her guilt, So Bong and her honor, So Bong's Dad and his shame and RoboShin and his feelings...

And that brings me to my next question: in the end, isn't the ultimate battle RoboShin will have to take is not the fight with Mr. Seo nor Ro Ra, but within himself? When you can pass as human but you're not, how do you survive in a human world?

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Wow! This is deep ♡♡♡ i found myself nodding as i read your comment. Most watcher would love to see a cinderella girl XD maybe they forgot her past just as @cloggie said she saved lots of people and that is entriely heroic

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I also adore RoboShin calling her, "Kang Sobong-ssi", as if it's a term of endearment.

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Yes, I like this girl for being a human! I don't get why the criticism, she is miles better than most kdrama heroines.

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I find it pretty presumptuous to say that those who dislike So Bong dislike her because 'she has her own mind' or because she makes mistakes, and that they only want 'vapid cookie cutter cutouts that only exist to validate male characters'. There are plenty of reasons to dislike her that have nothing to do with any of that.

If anything, one of the things I dislike the most in kdramas (or dramas in general) is how badly the female characters are written (especially the second leads), and I'm always annoyed when the female character ends up getting no character development because they're spending all their time on the male lead(s). Two of my favourite characters from last year were Sim Jae Bok from Perfect Wife and Ma Yi Deum from Witch's Court. Neither of them were perfect, and Ma Yi Deum did a lot of questionable things, but I still loved them. (I especially liked how they didn't make Jae Bok invincible, she had her vulnerable side but she was also a fighter).

The issue with So Bong is not that she isn't perfect. It's that she sees herself as a victim even when she does something wrong, and that she doesn't accept her errors as errors, or decide to do better or at least differently the next time. Regardless of whether Human Nam Shin set her up or not, she's the one who made the choice to invade his privacy - *she* didn't know she was being set up, so as far as she knew she was illegally taking pictures of someone who up till then hadn't done anything to her (or at least nothing that was shown in or implied by the series). I find that in itself rather questionable (no matter how much I need money, I would never agree to spy on someone. If I value my own privacy, why would I not do the same for others?) but I could argue that that doesn't matter so much, after all she's human and we've all made poor choices at one point (although I find it funny that some were defending her actions, when I'm not sure they would do the same for a real life reporter snapping pictures of people without their knowledge).

What I disliked, however, was how she put all the blame on Human Nam Shin, as if she would have never done that if he hadn't set up the trap. Like, excuse me, what? If she didn't want to end up in this situation, she should've declined the offer. It's on her for making that choice. This is where she differs from Ma Yi Deum, who often twisted the law to her advantage and didn't care if she got evidence in illegal ways - but she would actually admit that what she did wrong. While So Bong acted like she was the victim, Ma Yi Deum acknowledged that she'd done - she just didn't care about what people would think of what she'd done.

Also, Ma Yi Deum knew that she was okay with crossing some lines if it meant that she could catch the guy that abused her mother, not deluding herself into thinking that how she was going about it was legal or necessarily right - and she even told the male lead know not to join her...

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...unless he was ready to go all the way. She knew she was flawed and never apologised for it, but she knew to admit when she wrong. She was ready to take responsibility for her actions, like when she got demoted for testifying against her superior. (Sometimes she also sneakily tried to worm her way out of things, but at least she didn't do the exact. Same. Thing. Twice. Like So Bong did when she accepted Mr. Seo's offer. Which got her caught once again, btw, but she was lucky enough to discover Nam Shin III's secret and thus not get into trouble).

The fact that So Bong doesn't seem to either understand her own role in how she got to that place (of losing her job and being humiliated) or learn from her mistakes is what I take issue with. Honestly, would you want to be friends with someone who doesn't mind selling information as long as she gets money? Even her own dad doesn't trust her. That says a lot. Also, it's not just a woman thing in the case of this drama. A lot of people hate Human Nam Shin although we've probably seen less than 10 minutes of him on screen. Apart from seeing him slap So Bong, run away from Young Hoon, and look for his mum, we haven't seen much of him. Yet a lot people are hating him based on those few minutes. Right now I can't say that I either like or dislike Human Nam Shin simply because I feel I haven't seen enough of the character (though of course, I totally don't condone him hitting So Bong), but if we had continued to see him doing these kind of things, I wouldn't have liked Human Nam Shin either. If a character repeatedly does unlikeable things, people won't like them, and in So Bong's case the first few weeks of the show was her wanting revenge on someone's she's actually done wrong to, and her intruding on people's privacy. If the audience can hate Human Nam Shin for 10 minutes' worth of screen time, I don't see why they can't dislike So Bong for several hours' worth of such behaviour.

Also, I don't get the So Bong - Young Hoon comparison at all. At what point have we seen Young Hoon refuse good advice? *He's* the one giving advice/instructions for the most part, so I really don't see at what point he would have refused good advice (or any advice, to be honest). Furthermore, so far we haven't seen him repeat the same mistakes, or be angry at someone for something he's done. And the reason no one dislikes him is because so far he's never been contrary in the "unreasonable, tiresome, opposite of what is expected" meaning of the word - if he's ever been contrary it's mostly been in the sense that he's "headstrong", and it's always been directed towards those who are trying to harm Nam Shin (both of them). Also, he's the type who would actually seek advice if he needs it, like when he asked Nam Shin III to hold his hand and let him know his true feelings. Plus it's hard to hate him because he's actually got an immense amount of patience - taking care of that messed up...

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"The issue with So Bong is not that she isn't perfect. It's that she sees herself as a victim even when she does something wrong, and that she doesn't accept her errors as errors, or decide to do better or at least differently the next time."

Agreed with your comments on all counts, EXCEPT for holding off on judging Human Nam Shin on the little screen time he had. While they were both wrong in the scenario (So Bong spying on her employer for profit; Nam Shin setting her up to spy so he could hit her as a deliberate public display of bad behavior), Nam Shin striking So Bong to the ground is enough to judge him a bad person - especially as it was a calculated act. What she did didn't warrant a physical, violent response.

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This is a love story for the ages. Supernatural romances are my catnip. Stop saying you don't have feelings! You do! Nam Shin III holding So Bong's hand because he has a lie detector and putting on her necklace for the last time were so heart-fluttering. He's always watching over her and will protect her forever. Can I have him?!

Dammit, now Snake knows. There's no hiding it neither with Nam Shin III's superhuman car slam. It freaks me out that way too many people know. Ye Na is a brat who I will hunt down if she reveals Nam Shin III's identity, but "Sorry, Dad. Just because. For everything." made me tear up.

Thanks a ton for the recap, @LollyPip!

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The whole HeroBot sequence was epic, but I had to laugh at Snake for switching on the tiny interior light when everything went dark. No headlights on your car Snake?

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With all this happening i am really dreading the ending..How on earth will they have closure?? Will So-bong fall for Human shin now ones he wakes up? what will happen to our Shin3??

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maybe they should do the Bicentennial Man ending

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Signs that you're in love:

1) you keep seeing the other person, even when they're not there
2) you describe the person as having become a habit (ep 19-20)
3) you're grumbling about bike ppl but still want to cry when someone rides that bike all alone by the swimming pool
4) you're moved by EvilDad and SpoiledGirl sharing a moment.
5) you're mildly disappointed that your girl crush doesn't kick the living sh*t out of the attacker. Then you forgive her. He had a gun.

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Sigh, he is so dense in not recognizing his own evolution cause that's the one thing that everyone knows to be an irrefutable truth. And I am pretty sure google also does not have a precedence of such a case XD & the thing is, SB loves him too. It's pretty darn clear. But he says the "I don't feel anything" thing so surely that her conscious is burying the thought. I am waiting for that spark that will finally make either of them realize it. If NSIII realizes it first & says it straight out then I am pretty sure SB will instantly realize she is in love as well & then will proceed to hopefully throw herself at him XD!! I mean come on.....it's about time we found out how biologically ahem "correct" he is XD!!

But man when you think about it, the oddity of such a relationship is....no words. Even if we assume that the aging thing can be solved by him changing his skin every few years - which is already a humongous task, what about death? SB will eventually die like all humans. What then? I think that's where the kill switch is handy. Sure it's in the wrong hands right now but once he has possession of it, at least he will have the choice of life & death. And then this makes me think about after death. Sure, we humans have an afterlife to look forward but what about NSIII? Will he just...cease to exist? Cause he has no soul? Anyways, questions like these & many more come to my mind, questions that are not at all within the scope of this drama at least. But I just wanted to put it out there.

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LOL! I know, I'm also waiting for the moment where Nam Shin III will realize that he is experiencing the robot-equivalent of love. And almost equally important, when he will realize that So Bong loves him too. Because I'm sure that So Bong already knows she loves him, the thing is she doesn't want to be hurt and I can understand her. There are no guidelines on how to approach your relationship or affection for a humanoid AI. If he looks like a man, behaves like a man...can you just roll with it and treat him like a man? What he will think about this? Not to mention the high risk that he will be killed soon. So the girl is trying to control her emotions the best way she can. But I doubt she can do it anymore if NSIII confesses his love for her. What I wonder now is what NSIII will think of physical affection, haha!! It is clear from the way he behaves with her that he is putting already some weight in it, and certain intention with physical contact. 😄
Just crossing my fingers that they will allow them to explore their relationship without death threats or more looming tragedies. 🙏 My heart is weak for these two.

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Also, apart from the killing and the physical side, RoboShin keeps reminding So bong that he cannot feel anything. She must think she loves someone who isn't capable of ever loving her back...

(we know better of course!)

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Actually I think that she knows better too - otherwise she would not be so concerned about how he is treated by people. Even when she was saying to herself "thank god that he does not have feelings so he cannot get hurt" she was still worried for him...

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It makes sense. The poor girl is going to suffer, unless NSIII confesses his love at some point. Which doesn't make things easier but at least she will know the feeling is mutual. Maybe Secretary Ji or David will help him to realize that he's loving someone??...I'm very curious to see how the show is going to proceed with all this romance situation.

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Who's in love here? LOL
6) You're pleased as punch when RoboShin gives the best business strategy and rebels against Ro-Ra.

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7) When you feel the death glare Roboshin gave Ye Na and prayed that glares could kill

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8) When you give her a toy robot that has an "I ❤ U" on it.

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Meanwhile secretary whatisname is also starting to mancrush pretty hard...

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Ji Young Hoon. It's not an easy name. I can never remember it either.

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@wishfultoki, additionally, we have too many names to remember in dramaland. :)

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@Cloggie - #5 was totally my reaction too. I was anticipating an epic punch to the throat, gut kick, or full body flip over the hip but ended up just blinking disappointedly when she got unceremoniously dumped into the trunk. On replay, however, the presence of the gun sunk in and I totally understood.

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Yes, and the way it was filmed put us in her shoes, with the gun aimed right at the camera. *shivers*

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I just loved our two main leads out on a date. Koreans seem to love cycling through the city.

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I also wanted to mention the ost. Well, it's lovely, but I have a problem with the fourth song 2BIC- Heart, which is lovely too, except for the minor issue of "heart" being mispronounced. It's so damn distracting. :(

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Maybe I'm used to hearing Korean mispronounciations or.. that I chose to ignore it and focus on the emotions, so I didn't find it bothering, sounds like an emphasis to me.. When I hear the chorus, I sang (almost like a chant), even imitating their pronounciation of "heart." I'm glad power vocals 2BIC participated in this OST, they're so underrated.

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This episode broke my heart, made me happy, made me swoon over and over. Nam Shin-III jerking his hand away from Mom felt like a triumph. His sexy eyes giving Ye-na the death glare made me happy. Watching Mom made my blood boil; worst kind of parent/creator. Nam Shin-III's rescue was dramatic, but the fangirl in me just ate it up. And yes that was pure, sexy, I mean white-hot fury in his eyes at the end. Love it.

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Can I be honest for a moment and admit that this show and the Secretary Kim drama have reminded me of just how much I love a man in a suit?

That is all...

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Well, I could write an essay about all the swooning and happiness and pain I experienced during this episode. So intense. In order to make it shorter, the main highlights for me were:
- So Bong showing up unannounced to pick up Shinnamon Roll. ❤️ That girl for sure had a lot of internal conflict before deciding to go there. But of course she couldn't abandon him. And then she shows up being so loving and affectionate towards NSIII, even in front of Mom. She just can't help it. :)
- The scene with the necklace. Poor robot decided to go back being a slave just for her, who only asked because she doesn't want to see him die. That look he gave to her could have melted the poles, no wonder she was affected and still remembering it next day. Anyway, my poor babies. 😭
- NSIII riding the electrical bike in the wedding suit had me crying, he just felt so hopeless and sad. That was heartbreaking.
- NSIII going rogue and doing whatever it takes to save his dear So Bong. That scene with the car and the deadly stare he had in the end, wow, that was SEXY as hell.
Anyway, these two already love each other quite a lot, despite NSIII not being able to identify the feeling or So Bong doing whatever she can to run away from it. I can't wait to see how their relationship progress. And like the other beanies, I'm so worried about their future, things are not looking well for them, these babies need protection. 😟

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Shinnamon Roll. I'm ded. Just ded.

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The first few minutes of the drama were truly moving. Even though Roboshin's face does not show sadness, you can simply feel it. The hologram errors were so bittersweet. Young-hoon's growing concern for our puppy was so endearing I wished I had an elder brother like him. Ye Na telling the guy she will give him So Bong's number so he can play with her was disgusting. You're a woman for God's sake. I truly wish that there is a special place in hell for women who do this to other women. The only redeeming part about her was her moment with her dad and the part in the next episode where she apologises to Shin. The date was adorable and one of the beanies said that the noble idiocy was done well. That was when I realised how well it had been done, cause I didn't think it was noble idiocy at all. Roboshin yanking his hand away from "mom"( definitely not a mother at all) was so satisfying. I also love how much of a realist So Bong is. Most importantly, can we all just take a moment to acknowledge how great an actor Seo Kang Joon is. One of the beanies was worried about his consistency but everyone can say that all our worries concerning his acting have disappeared.

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I too didn't think it was noble idiocy either!

It reminded me of the first time he crossed the street but stopped halfway. Initially, I thought he was going to do that too so I was surprised that he just went for it! To me, it showed that he's grown a lot since then. I interpreted the scene as him not giving a f*** to the world. At that point, he lost So Bong and his mother is going to control him, so he not only loses her, but also himself mentally and physically. He has no one and has nothing else to lose, so he just went with it. I thought it was rather risky and bold! My heart almost stopped too! It was very different compared to the first time he crossed the street to go to So Bong.

And in some ways, I think that crossing the street is metaphorical in this drama. I haven't seen So Bong and Nam Shin III cross it together yet. And even from the first episode, both Shins saw each other across the street and you see it is human Shin that crosses first....

So will it be human Shin that protects roboShin in episodes to come? Hm...

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Can I just say how amazed I'm by seo kang joon's acting?? Maaannnnn they way he emotes worth his eyes white maintaining the robotishness.. it's not completely human emotions either.. I'm so impressed!!

And then we had the wooden block big brother in secretary Kim... i actually feel kinda bad being so mean to him but i had great expectations out of him.. he was so cute in W & to some extent in my golden life.. but sadly his acting hasn't improved much. . :(

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hahaha I found out that Seo Kang Joon and Lee Tae Hwan (that wooden block brother) are actually in the same group called 5urpise! Pun not intended haha

Personally, I thought Lee Tae Hwan did get better in acting (as the story progresses!), but I thought that was because of Seo Park Joon's charms!

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Lee Tae hwan was decent in W. Even with Lee Jong Suk.
Though they say he was in Pride and Prejudice I don't remember him there very well.
But in WWWSK he is so ignore-able. I want to forget about him. He looks so miscast.

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That's what I thought at first but I think there's a reason to that. I think the older brother is supposed to look young and immature and if I look at it from that perspective, I'd say he was cast right.

The thing about Lee Tae Hwan from what I noticed is that it takes him awhile for him to warm up to his characters. I don't even remember him in W! lol But I remember I wasn't impressed with him initially in My Golden Life but as his character started to have more of a central role, his acting got better. And I see it again in WWWSK. But this could be due to his lack of experience playing important characters, not his acting ability.

I believe with more acting experience and exposure to complex characters Lee Tae Hwan will get better with his acting because so far all his roles have just been characters on the side lines (the forgetable ones). And I think his character is WWWSK is like a big step for him. He could be the lead in another drama in a few years due its huge popularity...and you may not even recognize him then. You never know! lol

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He was Lee Jong Suk's office sidekick helper dude in W, his part wasn't really big.

He was actually pretty mediocre in Father I'll Take Care of You for much of the show but got better about 2/3 of the way through (and that's another 50 ep family drama so that was a lot of eps to get in touch with his character). I don't think he's bad but I think he's being pushed past his limits on some of these shows and he needs to step back and do more parts where it's like he's a best friend but with a meaty side-story.

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Personally, I LOVED the ending scene for this episode. It was epic. I didn't think it was overly dramatic (Goblin was overly dramatic haha). I think it was done just right. We're finally able to see the extent of his robot abilities. All along, he's been trying to hide his robot self so we saw the "human" aspect of him for the most part. So it was so satisfying seeing RoboShin for who he is - a superior AI with an advanced android body (personally I enjoyed all his robot moments lol). It's in this moment, I feel like he was like screw you guys, I'm just going to be myself and do what I want to save the girl I love. The scene was excellent! I do agree about that M car being there threw me off too hahaha but still, I love it.

What I love too was how scared Snake was. I mean, you got this assassin who's like fearless and he's scared! Right when RoboShin is about to hammer the hood of the car with his bare hand, you can see Snake's reaction in the rearview mirror and he's so absolutely terrified! To me, this shows that furious RoboShin can be quite terrifying...to the point where he's beyond human and robot!

Anyways, I was waiting for this car scene!!! When I first saw it in the trailers, I knew it had to be good and I wasn't disappointed!!! So I guess I also have a little bit of a bias. Can't wait to see more of scary RoboShin and hope that he tries to put everyone in their places...that's right, rebel hard!!! hahaha

Oh and sorry for all the exclamation marks. I'm too emotionally invested in this drama hahaha

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I really likehow MCar has given "Car of Doom" a positive twist - it now comes to the rescue! Yes, don't ask how it got down the stairs... but still, very cool.

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In all seriousness there's probably a service elevator with car capacity since they would need to be able to move the prototype out of the lab for field tests and such.

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I guess so! Wow, I hope we get to see that in a flashback.

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That's what I kind of thought afterwards since the M car was in the lab prior to the epic scene. lol

I agree with Yuki that the office layout/building structure doesn't lend itself to make us reach those conclusions right away. Or...maybe producers did film it but it didn't make the cut during editing or it's reserved for later?

The scene was cool overall, and I enjoyed it lots. I don't really care if nothing else makes sense from this point onwards hahaha

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Yeah, the office layout is a bit weird, but it seeemed to me that there is a garage door behind the car (?). I guess it could have gone out and enter the main garage later? The location of the offices is not very clear, haha!!

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I liked the scene too, it was nicely done. I want to ask how can the robot be furious. I mean he's getting angry because he did that thing with the phones earlier and he seems angry smashing the car instead of finding a rational solution that doesn't give his disguise away but I want someone in the show to explain how he can get angry!

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You should just rewatch the show again to find your answers. haha

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But fellow beanies, what would YOU do if it were you? If there was a seriously goodlooking robot with swoony attitude hovering around you? To pursue or not to pursue? Would you choose him over the possibility of maybe, just maybe, someday in the future you'd meet someone you like as much but human and warm to touch? What about sex? Children? Holidays? Can he even get a passport? What if you had a dreamy man by your side but he runs on battery? Does love really know no boundaries? What would you do, fellow beanies? Would you stay with this robot like those guys in Japan who marry their VR girlfriends?

I'm really taking this seriously. I would probably take him anytime over a flesh and blood man. Unless the said man looks like Jang Ki Young with similarly swoony attitude. Or my husband. Because he's reading this as I type.

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I would date a drone if it had Shinnamon's personality and SKJ's face attached there somewhere

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I'm very late to the party, but you're killing me Soap.

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Tough question! Please bear with me as I write an essay hahaha...

Personally I'd freak out at first then I'd be fascinated but I wouldn't really think that romantic love was possible primarily because of the questions imposed by "Are you Human Too?" and that is, can humans and robots truly fall in love? Will robots be advanced enough to develop emotions/feelings? To me, the answer is no...not during my life time.

At most, I'd see them like psychopaths - robots will understand that emotions exist, that is, emotions are a human's neurological and physiological response to certain situations/triggers but they truly cannot understand those feelings nor the feelings of others. They will understand emotions affect on people and learn how to manipulate emotions accordingly to get the outcome they want, because robots are machine after all and a machine's main objective is to achieve its goals/tasks. But emotions generated from them will be calculated and will probably mimic human emotions, but isn't real. If I want a positive analogy, I guess pets would be a better comparison. At most, robots would be super pets - they'd amuse us, dote on us and be there for us but can never truly be our romantic interest because emotionally and cognitively, they speak a different language from ours... if that makes sense?

If you think about it, robots are really just our slaves like this drama has shown us. They work for us. We created them just for that purpose. Thus there maybe all sorts of robots in existence due to the vastness of human needs. So you may want a robot that's your boyfriend, but then you might have to switch him out for a robot that can be your husband and then switch him out for a robot that can be a father to your kids (human kids or robot kids, it doesnt matter lol). So you'll probably end up with several robots in the course of your life time! I say that because robots as machines have primarily one or two purpose/function and if you need more functions, you may need more than one machine. The good thing is your robots won't get jealous of eachother! hahaha

I guess what I'm trying to say is that in order to me to realistically accept the idea that robots can be a love interest, then we would have to change and redefine our concept of "machine". For now, it's not possible for me given the current definition.

Now if you go into cloning or genetic engineering...that's a different story. The reason is simple: robots are not truly organic creations. Humans are organic creations. Cloning and genetic engineering is organic. If you clone yourself, does your "twin" have a soul like you? If you're lover dies from a freak accident, is it okay to clone him? Will he love you like your lover in return? See, this is where robots differ. With cloning, we do not doubt they're humans, they are, but now we question the authenticity of their souls. With robots, they were never alive to begin with. Machines can be turn off and...

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I know this will be a potentially unpopular opinion but here's a little puzzle for you guys: " I'm made of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and a few other things; my decision system makes complex computations using electrical signals; it was optimized to achieve a pre-specified set of goals. What am I?"

yes - a human.

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Also while I do very much love my dog I cannot be in love with it because we are not intellectual equals.

This point actually came up when discussing age gaps in romantic couples on the Mr Sunshine thread: someone aptly pointed out that age is just a number as long as there are no maturity gaps. For some aspects of romantic love I would argue that body differences are ignorable as long as there is no mental gap.

The physical aspect or romance is a different discussion - one that I already went through not too long ago so I'll not expand on it here.

That said I agree that it would be nice to get a more detailed technical explanation about what in the design of RoboShin makes him the way he is. The ability to redefine goals is an important one (and one we as humans only have limited access to) but there is an innately social aspect of his behavior that must have been preprogrammed. Probably has to do with the fact that he was created with the goal of comforting his mother so understanding emotions, responding to them and some form of emotional intelligence must have built in from the get go.

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Robot Nam Shin "was created with the goal of comforting his mother so understanding emotions, responding to them and some form of emotional intelligence must have built in from the get go."

He was created to be his mother's emotional-labor-bot, so it is not surprising his core motivation has been wanting to please people. For his purpose in life, he is dependent on (and actually subservient to) first his mother and then So Bang. He therefore spends a huge amount of energy paying attention to how his primary person feels and interpreting why they do what they do, and how he can be in their good graces.

It is not surprising that he would eventually excel at romance. He would probably be an ideal(ized) partner, robot or not, for many women. All the stuff of courtship (paying attention to the partner, being attuned to emotional states, romantic gestures, planning gifts and activities the other person might like) sadly often ends after courtship, in real life. For Robot Nam Shin, it likely never would end.

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but I was going off topic anyways..oh well :P

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If we made clones I guarantee you we'd try to dehumanise, own and control them before they finally got rights. After all, we deny rights to real humans right now.

The UK show Humans is doing a pretty good job of showing what would happen if we made robots en-masse and they become self-aware.

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I like the way you think, and the way you write. I agree.

I have been a fan of Asimov for the past 20 years, and the way he delved deep into human and robot interactions makes it very difficult for me to just accept any handsome robot as an equal to a human being. It has to be a very special robot. Or designed by that very special robot...

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This episode was fun. I am almost used to the idea that this robot has a mind of it's own, but not yet. So how does he makes choices like where to go on that bike date? How can he tell So Bong is a good human like he did in a previous episode? How could he make a moral judgement about humans, So Ra did say later he doesn't know good from evil. I get how he can make decisions based on logic like in the reunion but how can he have likes or dislikes?

How can he put So Bong first because she values him for what he is? He should not even think of himself as being anything? Don't get me wrong, I want the show to have answers for all of these. They want to us to just accept he develops humanity on his own, I think it would be so much more interesting if they took the steps to tell us how he can get there.

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Regarding your concern in the last paragraph, my theory is that David (the guy who helped horrible mom built NS3) did something to NS3 so the latter will behave more like a human. If this is the case, I hope it will be shown and explained to us in a flashback.

If not, then, I seriously hope that the writer would be able to give us a believable story to back NS3's changing behavior.

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I wasn't expecting much more than this. These shows are notorious for this. This is much, much better than the Japanese Absolute Boyfriend where the main researcher went "our scans show he now has emotions!" and then we were simply supposed to accept that, despite them never defining what emotions are or what in his programming meant he had them.

I said last week that Asian shows are particularly bad at this because they always portray love and romance as being a story of two disembodied souls finding each other. Love and other emotions are purely biochemical. A non-biochemical being can't experience them. It's possible they could develop some kind of simulacrum of them but until writers are willing to accept the purely physical nature of humanity, these shows will never be entirely satisfying.

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"Asian shows are particularly bad at this because they always portray love and romance as being a story of two disembodied souls finding each other".

On the contrary, Korean and Japanese drama are actually interested in this concept of destiny when it comes to love and romance (and justice too), not "disembodied souls". What is your ethnicity (or cultural identity) ? Because apparently you watch "Asian" drama from that lens.

Personally, I find your comment quite insensitive. One, you're generalizing Asian. "Asian" encompasses a huge ethnic group. Have you seen enough dramas/movies/literature in Thai, Vietnamese, Filipino, Singaporean, Malaysian, Indian, Mongolian, etc to reach such flawed conclusion concerning their love and romance? Second, I see this "two disembodies souls finding each other" assumption of yours quite prominently in American and European movies and literature. I mean look at "50 Shades of Gray"! If I were to look at your assumption again... to say that "Asians" are the only ones that do it is ridiculous. You seem to imply that non-Asian people make better love and romance with your use of the word "bad". What is a "good" depiction of YOUR definition love and romance then?

Let me just say this because I guess it's not obvious. Absolute Boyfriend and this drama are nothing more than a fantasy. In fact anything in the creative media - movies, literature, arts - is that just. It's fantasies. And at the heart of Absolute Boyfriend and Are You Human, it is a romance based off someone else's fantasy. (For your information, Absolute Boyfriend is based off a shoujo manga created by a female mangaka. It's aimed for middle school and high school girls. What did you expect?)

Lastly, you are watching a Korean drama who's intended audience is Korean. So the show isn't made for you- you that is not Korean (culturally that is). This where I see a lot of non-Koreans (and I say this in a cultural sense) struggle. Non-Koreans get mad, frustrated and angry when their non-Korean expectations/cultural norms aren't transferred to Korean dramas. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Tell the donkey he's a horse...

In the end, you're just watching someone else's fantasy. You're watching something that wasn't really created for you in the first place anyways. If you cannot accept the suspension of disbelief of certain characters or plot, find something else to consume that fits better with your own fantasies. Why come here and gripe that these shows don't satisfy your fantasy?

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@JanJan I'm not sure you understood ChinguMode's comment? I can't speak for her but I thought she was talking about the tendency that kdramas have to make their romance almost platonic. Except for a few kisses, most characters don't demonstrate to feel much physical attraction for the other person, it's almost as their appearance is of no importance which is not usually true in real life. How can anyone used to kdramas not agree with that?
I don't think this characteristic has anything to do with their destiny obsession in the love stories.

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Honestly, I re-read the comment about five times last night and can't really see where I offended them so much. Maybe by generalising with the false dichotomy of "Asian" vs "Western" cultural product. It's a generalisation but they really are different in how they portray love, romance and sex. But I'm not going to argue with somebody I clearly upset.
But yes, the idea that we have souls and romance is between two souls and the body doesn't matter is exactly what I was referring to.

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I think you are right that there is a distinction although I'd make it about Western vs Korean dramas rather than saying 'Asian' in general.

The way I see it, each culture has it's own weirdness when it comes to depictions of sex and love. Western shows (American in particular) tend to be too obsessed with the physical aspect. Korean dramas are 95% of the time pretending sex does not exist - which leads to the suspension-of-disbelief scenarios of gorgeous healthy 30y+ old adults never having kissed before. Japanese shows feel most pragmatic about the physical aspect, but never manage to completely sell me on the love aspect. Thai dramas have the whole obsession with virginity and the conundrum of consent which leads to rapey troupes and the like.
Mainland Chinese dramas occasionally seem to make a mockery of the whole concept by having weird (for a westerner) endings. And so on...

Actually I've been wondering for a long time about how the ideal of love differs across cultures. As I understand it, the stereotype of romantic love that we most commonly see today is a Romantic western import. Would be nice to have people comment on this.

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One of my frequent criticisms of American shows these days is that they often use sex as a narrative proxy for love. So if you want to show that two people are in love and in a relationship, you have them have sex. So if you want to quickly establish a couple for plot purposes, you throw them into bed.

A lot of the time this works but it's often quite shallow to watch. So I initially liked the extra time devoted to people getting to know each other, talking, spending time with each other. But after a while the whole thing just starts to get a bit weird too. Watching a show about a robot that has bicycle and sandwiches-on-bench dates just feels bizarre to me. It doesn't feel organic.

To veer back to the original subject, the Uncanny Valley is more than just a visual thing - it's about smell and feel. So much of how we respond to the world is physical. Shinbot should smell wrong, he should feel wrong, his micro expressions should be slightly off. That's what would add to the feeling of wrongness the Uncanny Valley refers to.

I mean, people already have sex with plastic dolls so whether you would want to have sex with him/it is not the point, even if that's a part of it. It's that physicality is at the very basis of our emotions and I think that's missing.

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I have that same criticism of American shows. This was one of the things that made me like kdramas in the first place. Some of them do take the time to develop the romance. Most of them these days just go with a Cupid's Arrow sort of explanation that I don't really like.

About the robot's intentions on that date, he should be again just copying information he found on people. Someone here said we as humans are programmed to crave human interaction. That got me thinking, this is probably because we feel some need to contribute to society, most of us by having children, so the species can continue. Maybe the robots could evolve to think it's necessary to please humans, or at least one loyal human, in order to protect themselves? Anyway, this show isn't really trying to give a detailed explanation for his development but it's fun trying to find it.

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Oh I understood her comment exactly - she's unhappy about the depiction or portrayal of love and romance in "Asian" shows. I'm not sure you understood what I said in response?

I wanted to pointed out that those dissatisfied feeling stems from her own personal beliefs which is constructed from her own cultural experiences (Everyone has a culture. People who say they don't just refuse to see it). These cultural experiences shape how she perceive love and romance. I wanted to remind her that such expectations shouldn't be transferred onto shows outside her cultural norms. Basically, if you're not truly satisfied with an "Asian" show concerning romance, it's not the fault of the show but the fault of your expectations. If you want to be satisfied, then change your expectations. Or just don't watch.

I like Charlie's response and I think Charlie said it best what I had implied and that is each culture portrays love and romance differently. It's not merely a "Western" vs "Asian" dichotomy. Even among "Western" counterparts, love and romance are depicted quite differently due to cultural differences.

Thus I was offended because of the culturally insensitive and ignorant comment concerning "Asian" love and romance. For underlying Chingu's comment is judgement made about "Asian" shows - whether she realizes it or not. It's not merely looking at the surface of what was said, but the implications of what her words meant and that read along the lines like this: "Asian" love and romance sucks because they're not like how I (emphasis on I here) want them to be. But what right does she have if she's not even the intended audience? Can't she put her feet in Korean's audience's shoes first before whining?

Does this make sense?

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"Actually I've been wondering for a long time about how the ideal of love differs across cultures. As I understand it, the stereotype of romantic love that we most commonly see today is a Romantic western import. Would be nice to have people comment on this."

I agree that a discussion on this would be enlightening and eye-opening to see! Would love to see others comment on this as well!

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"If you want to be satisfied, then change your expectations. Or just don't watch." jesus christ that's so rude

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Excuse me? I think you are the rude one. First you are not even contributing to the conversation.

Personally if I don't like something I just don't watch it. I'm not going to encourage someone to watch something they don't like. I wasn't trying to be rude. I was just making a suggestion. However clearly you took offense to that without reason.

I understand from this discussion that everyone has their differences of opinions. I'm going to agree that those differences exists and I'm not going to continue this discussion any further.

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@janjan18 let's not... do this. You seem to have taken offense to Chingu's classification of media as western vs asian but if you look at the way sex is used in the media the line is pretty clear. nobody said one way is better than the other.

I think watching things that aren't perfect but ARE interesting can be stimulating and telling someone to go somewhere else with their criticism is a terrible thing to do, both to a community of open-minded people and to a person with legitimate insight.

let's keep this civil.

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@losersoap

I wasn't going to respond until you said, "Let keep things civil". For someone implying that I'm rude....the irony.

I'm pretty sure I was civil in my discussion. I was clear to point out that I disagree with her opinion and I believe that her opinion was flawed due to cultural differences. Charlie reiterated my point that cultural differences on love and romance exists. When I made the suggestion of easing that discontentment, it is exactly just that - they're suggestions. With suggestions, you can either take it or leave it and that's just my own stance on suggestion and in no ways did I mean to be rude. My stance on suggestion is you have the choice to decide what to do with those suggestions. If it does not concern you, then don't take them. If Chingu wants to watch, she'll watch. I won't take offense if she doesn't listen to my suggestions. So why did you take offense to something that wasn't even aimed at you?

Honestly I don't understand why you took it personally. Seems like you just understand her perspective more and decided support her opinion but clearly cannot see my perspective. You disagree with me and just wanted to reinforce her opinion and that's fine with me. Like I said, I'll agree on all this disagreement. It shouldn't go beyond that to judging people's personality. When you implied I'm rude, you were in fact attacking me as a person. In contrast, in no ways was I attacking her as a person. All I did was question the fallacy in her thoughts as I didn't see it as legitimate but rather culturally ignorant, and unlike someone's personality that cannot be changed, thoughts can be changed. And she seemed like an intelligent gal, so I was asking if she could change her perception and if not, then just let it be. That was basically it. Again, I really don't understand how or why you got so emotionally involved and starting attacking me, a total stranger. Yes I do admit I was upset and I feel like it was my anger you read and not necessarily the message I was trying to get across and I will apologize if I came off extremely upset and "uncivilized" but I will not apologize for my opinion.

Also I have no intention to antagonize others. On the contrary, I love korean dramas, that is why I'm here. I'm here to talk about it with others that share the same love. So of course I'm going to get defensive if what I love gets criticized. Won't you be the same way? Why couldn't you understand that from my perspective?

Again, it seems like this is all a misunderstanding concerning the differences in opinions. And yet again, lets just all agree that we have different opinions when it comes to EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING even suggestions. I'll end it at that.

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@janjan18

I also think let's agree to disagree about the argument itself. About your suggestions not so much. Please remember people have a thousand reasons to choose anything, ChinguMode was only talking about one characteristic, not the show. Many people sometimes dislike something or an actor or even the show itself and keep watching because there is something they like, or maybe they just want to comment, like I said, a million reasons. Nobody should tell them not to do it or not to write about it, it's the conversations that keep places like this.

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Thank you for your recap and comments, LollyPip. ;-)

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