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Are You Human Too: Episodes 29-30

The more everyone tries to placate Shin regarding the robot who temporarily lived his life, the more volatile Shin becomes. He’s finding new and creative ways to make everyone around him pay for daring to like Nam Shin-III better than him, and unfortunately, he’s discovered a path to revenge that could do some serious damage. Unfortunately, the one person who may have a shred of hope in stopping Shin is the one person who can’t seem to take a stand against him, but soon he may have no choice.

 
EPISODE 29 RECAP

When Shin was younger, he’d gotten in some trouble, only for Young-hoon to take Chairman Nam’s punishment in his place. Shin had smashed several pictures in fury and screamed at Chairman Nam not to touch Young-hoon again. Young-hoon had watched Shin’s outburst and thought to himself, “I know. I know what you’re really like.”

Shin had brought Young-hoon an ice pack for his face, but Young-hoon had told him not to make him feel bad, knowing he’d badly cut his hand on the glass he broke. The first aid kit he’d had out was for Shin, and as they fixed themselves up, Young-hoon had apologized to Shin.

So in the present, when Chairman Nam asks Young-hoon if he agrees that the robot is better than humans, he wishes he could respond that he hasn’t, and that the question itself is offensive. He fantasizes threatening to quit if Chairman Nam doesn’t trust Shin with the business, wishing he’d taken Shin’s side.

Nam Shin-III tells David that Chairman Nam has known all along that he’s a robot. Shin accidentally overhears them, and he follows Nam Shin-III to his date with So-bong, sneering at So-bong’s happiness to see Nam Shin-III.

Young-hoon is still trying to find the owner of the phone number that he found on the back of the long-term care hospital business card. The hospital staff insist that nobody currently working there owns the number, or they do, but changed their number.

Young-hoon hands out his PK Group business card, one employee remembers that twenty years ago, a director from PK Group committed suicide here.

On their movie date, Nam Shin-III steps out to get napkins for So-bong. He runs into Shin on his way back in, who says that Young-hoon wants to see him. He leads Nam Shin-III to the parking garage, then before Nam Shin-III can react, he snatches the battery watch off his wrist. In seconds, Nam Shin-III shuts down.

Young-hoon arrives as Shin is changing into Nam Shin-III’s jacket. Shin tells him that Chairman Nam knows Nam Shin-III is a robot, and that he cares more about Nam Shin-III than whether Shin lives or dies. He declares that he’s going to prove to his grandfather what’s real and what’s fake.

Young-hoon says that this isn’t the right way to do this, but Shin defiantly drops the battery watch and crushes it under his shoe. He tells Young-hoon that if he stops him, he’s the same as Chairman Nam, so he should act like he’s on his side.

Shin goes into the theater to sit with So-bong, but she knows something is wrong when “Nam Shin-III” tears up at the sad movie. Shin reminds her that she said she’d never confuse them, and So-bong jumps up without a word. She calls Young-hoon, who has Nam Shin-III’s lifeless body in his car, but he doesn’t answer her call.

So-bong runs down to check Nam Shin-III’s car and finds it empty. She confronts Shin, asking if he’s really this happy to be doing this after Nam Shin-III worked so hard to pretend to be him and protect his place. Shin says he doesn’t like that Nam Shin-III did that, but trying it out himself, he’s decided it’s fun.

She tells him to do what he wants, but that a jerk like him will never compare to Nam Shin-III. Shin insists that he’s real and Nam Shin-III is fake, and that So-bong’s rudeness just makes him want to get rid of Nam Shin-III even more.

So-bong isn’t intimidated, and just tells him that, real or not, she’ll make him pay. She leaves, and Shin goes to Young-hoon’s car. He answers So-bong’s call as if he’s Nam Shin-III, saying that he’s with Young-hoon heading back to the office to check on a problem with the Medicar.

Young-hoon has enough and takes the phone, telling So-bong that he’ll send Nam Shin-III home safely. He accuses Shin of acting like a child, but Shin just says that if he’s a child, then Young-hoon can do everything for him.

They take Nam Shin-III to Ro-ra’s hideout, where they tell her that Chairman Nam knows about Nam Shin-III, and that David is involved. She orders David to say it’s not true, but he only promises to explain everything. She slaps him, horrified that she trusted him for twenty years.

Young-hoon takes David aside and says that he was shocked, too, so Ro-ra must be traumatized. He says they shouldn’t tell Chairman Nam that Shin knows, and David agrees, saying that he didn’t take the chairman’s money because he agreed with him.

Shin just watches everything, completely unaffected by the hurt he’s caused. He sneers to Ro-ra that Chairman Nam has fooled her for over a decade, but she snaps that she’s in no mood for his attitude. He asks if there’s any way to get rid of Nam Shin-III, but Ro-ra accuses him of making unfunny jokes. So he says that if he can’t destroy Nam Shin-III, then to tell him how to control him in manual mode, and show Chairman Nam that he’s just a robot.

Ro-ra objects, but Shin says that if Nam Shin-III is truly just a robot to her, then she won’t care what happens to him. He asks if she likes Nam Shin-III better, too, after living with him for so many years.

Young-hoon interrupts, and he admits that he and Ro-ra are partly responsible for hurting Shin, even though their intent was to protect him. He tells Shin to go ahead if this will make Shin feel better, then to go ahead, but in return he asks for Shin’s promise never to hurt anyone else. Shin promises, a bit too easily.

Missing Nam Shin-III, So-bong tries to call him again, and this time her call is answered. Nam Shin-III says he can’t come to her dad’s tonight, then tells her to turn around before going inside, surprising her by standing behind her.

She hugs him, then they go in, where Robocop and Joint are almost as happy as So-bong to see Nam Shin-III. Robocop grabs his wrist happily, and suddenly, Nam Shin-III twists Robocop’s arm behind his back.

We see that when Shin reactivated him, he gave him a command not to let anyone touch his battery watch. Nam Shin-III lets go of Robocop and apologizes, saying that he couldn’t control his strength. Robocop and Joint seem flustered but fine, but Dad looks worried.

As Nam Shin-III leaves, he scans his battery watch, but he’s denied access. He goes home and find Young-hoon by the pool, and tells him that he just experienced manual mode. He suspects that Young-hoon knew about it beforehand, and guesses that Shin is taking out his anger at his grandfather on Nam Shin-III.

He asks Young-hoon, what if Shin makes him do something against his rules, or hurts someone. Young-hoon says that Shin promised not to, and if he does, they’ll turn off manual mode. Nam Shin-III says that he trusts Young-hoon, but he’s not sure about Shin.

Shin is, at this very moment, listening to their conversation and watching through Nam Shin-III’s eyes. When Ye-na asks if this is really necessary, he asserts that he’ll show them how dangerous a robot can be. Ye-na reminds him that that robot has his face and suggests he just show Chairman Nam that he’s competent, stating bravely that he’s starting to seem obsessed.

Nam Shin-III sees his server room for the first time when Chairman Nam has him meet him there. He asks why his servers are in the PK building, so Chairman Nam tells him that many corporations are interested in merging living things and artificial intelligence, and that the Medicar is Chairman Nam’s dream in that area.

He says that Nam Shin-III will make that happen, and the company will become like an immortal city controlled by AI, which he calls M City — his final dream. As Shin watches through Nam Shin-III’s eyes, Chairman Nam says that only Nam Shin-III can make that dream come true.

Nam Shin-III finds So-bong and they share an elevator upstairs. She asks why Chairman Nam told Nam Shin-III about his dream and not Shin, then says she’d trust Nam Shin-III more, too. Still watching, Shin scoffs and, remembering So-bong daring him to try impersonating Nam Shin-III, decides it’s time for her to pay.

Nam Shin-III’s smiling expression goes blank as his manual mode kicks on. He shoves So-bong against the elevator wall, squeezing her neck with one hand as she pleads with him to recognize her. Nam Shin-III regains control of himself and lets her go just in time.

The doors open and Nam Shin-III runs, with So-bong on his heels. She catches him and asks why he keeps losing control, then grabs his wrist to look at his battery watch.

He jerks his arm away, but not before she realizes that he’s not wearing one of his usual battery watches. She guesses that Shin did something to him, but he just says again to stay away so he can’t hurt her.

She goes to Young-hoon and asks what really happened yesterday when they supposedly took Nam Shin-III for a company matter. Young-hoon confesses that they switched Nam Shin-III to manual mode, apologizing that So-bong got hurt and saying weakly that Shin promised not to hurt anyone.

But So-bong is more concerned about how Nam Shin-III feels after attacking her against his will. Young-hoon says he’ll make sure this never happens again and asks her to calm down, but she spits that the person who protects a criminal is worse than the criminal himself.

After she leaves, Young-hoon calls Shin, who lies that what happened was a complete accident. When Young-hoon calls out the lie, Shin says he only wanted to scare So-bong but NC3 was more aggressive than he expected.

David and Ro-ra hear what happened, and David tells Ro-ra that wanting to believe her son doesn’t mean that she should. He says he knows she’s nervous about what Shin may do to Nam Shin-III, and that she’s angry that he took money from Chairman Nam, but that he wanted to help her make Nam Shin-III and didn’t have enough, and only found out later who the funds came from.

He insists that he didn’t help her for personal gain, but because he genuinely likes Nam Shin-III, and her. He says he’ll protect Nam Shin-III until the very end, “And if you want, I’ll protect you, too.”

Ro-ra starts to walk out, but she stops to listen to David’s side of a phone call with So-bong and hears that neither of them have seen him since he ran away. He’s gone straight to Young-hoon and points to Young-hoon’s phone, where words appear on the screen (so Shin can’t listen in): “I have a favor to ask.”

Ye-na drops Shin off to meet with Young-hoon, and as soon as Shin arrives on the rooftop, Nam Shin-III joins them. Nam Shin-III admits that he had Young-hoon call Shin here, and when Shin asks whose assistant Young-hoon thinks he is, Young-hoon glares at him accusingly and says they’ll talk later about what he did.

He leaves, and Nam Shin-III stops Shin from following him. Shin calls Nam Shin-III a fake, but Nam Shin-III says, “I’m real. Just like you’re real.” Shin asks gleefully how it felt throwing So-bong against that wall, whether it broke Nam Shin-III’s heart or made him want to die.

He says that’s just the beginning of the things Nam Shin-III will do as his slave. But Nam Shin-III tells him to solve his problems himself, and to fight his grandfather directly. He asks why Shin keeps using him to torment people, and Shin says it’s more fun playing with Nam Shin-III than fighting Chairman Nam.

Nam Shin-III looks Shin dead in the eye and asks, “Do I scare you? I scare you. That’s why you’re trying to destroy me. I won’t compete against you. I have no desire to take what’s yours, so relax and go back to your place.” Shin snarls that Nam Shin-III is only a machine, a doll that would even kill So-bong if he told it to.

Nam Shin-III counters that he doesn’t want to hurt So-bong, and asks what Shin wants from him. Shin says it disgusts him to see Nam Shin-III wearing his face and screams at him disappear, so Nam Shin-III walks to the building’s edge.

Realizing that Nam Shin-III intends to jump, Shin immediately looks frightened and orders him to stop. Nam Shin-III says he would rather disappear than hurt humans, and steps onto the building’s ledge.

EPISODE 30 RECAP

Nam Shin-III stands on the ledge, intending to jump, but Shin quickly logs into his manual mode. He makes Nam Shin-III come down, then snarls in his face that he doesn’t have the right to disappear. Nam Shin-III agrees that he’s nothing but a machine, and guesses that in this situation, humans would feel helpless.

Shin storms off and finds So-bong standing by his car, and as soon as she sees him, she punches him dead in the face. Awesome. She says that she pitied him when he asked how she would feel if someone took over her life, but now she thinks he deserves this. She orders Shin to put Nam Shin-III back to normal, or she’ll really kill him.

Ye-na tells Chairman Nam that Shin knows that he was aware Shin was replaced by a robot. Chairman Nam just smiles and says that he had to find out eventually, making Ye-na call him a monster. She tells him that Shin is fine, and says that if he cares for Shin at all, now is his last chance to show it.

She runs into her father on her way out, and he shows her the CCTV recording of Nam Shin-III attacking So-bong in the elevator and says that he plans to tell the chairman everything. To buy his silence, Ye-na tells him the details of Shin using Nam Shin-III to lash out in anger at Chairman Nam.

Jong-gil chuckles that Shin has a right to be angry, and he tells Ye-na to tell Shin that he’s on his side. She says she doesn’t trust him, and suggests they live separate lives.

Later, Young-hoon finds Shin in his room. He tells him that he knows the attack on So-bong was no error, and asks him to keep his promise to disable Nam Shin-III’s manual mode if he hurt anyone. Shin refuses, saying that this is making him want to do it even more, and thanks Young-hoon for stopping him from softening.

Young-hoon hands Shin the nursing home’s card and tells him that he learned Shin’s father didn’t commit suicide. He correctly guesses that Shin also found out, and that’s what made him travel to the Czech Republic. Shin snaps at him to stay out of his business, but Young-hoon counters that he has to pry to know what Shin is thinking.

He tells Shin to either disable Nam Shin-III’s manual mode, or make him understand why not. Shin refuses to do either, so Young-hoon warns him one final time not to hurt people, or he’ll never speak to him again. Almost impressed, Shin marvels that Young-hoon has never said anything like that to him before.

Shin gets a text from Jong-gil, and they meet at Jung-woo’s final resting place, where Jong-gil claims to be mourning his old friend. He says that he knows Shin thinks he killed his father, and says that isn’t entirely wrong, since he was the one who carried out Chairman Nam’s orders to have Jung-woo sent to the nursing home.

Shin guesses that Chairman Nam also ordered Jong-gil to say his father committed suicide. Agreeing, Jong-gil explains that Jung-woo died from a fall while trying to escape and reunite with his wife and child. Shin asks what they were hiding by saying that his father killed himself, so Jong-gil hands him a recorder that holds Jung-woo and Chairman Nam’s final conversation at the nursing home.

He says he’s afraid Shin will end up like his father, who forced him and Jung-woo to compete until only one survived. He tells Shin that when Chairman Nam decides Nam Shin-III is more beneficial to the company, he’ll get rid of Shin like he did his father.

Shin listens to the recording the moment Jong-gil leaves. He hears Chairman Nam promise to let Jung-woo out of the home if he stops whistleblowing, but Jung-woo insists that his father’s wrong methods be exposed. Chairman Nam threatens to make Shin pay for Jung-woo’s decision, yelling that his company is more important to him than blood. When he hears that, Shin smashes the recorder to the floor, destroying it.

Outside the columbarium, Toady and Jong-gil gloat over what Shin must be going through, hearing that recording. Jong-gil says that this was his final play, and that he expects Shin to take out Chairman Nam, then he can take out Shin.

That night, Shin enters Chairman Nam’s bedroom and asks the chairman if he knows who he is, human or robot. Chairman Nam says that only a human would ask that question. Shin demands, “Give me the company,” but Chairman Nam replies that all he can give is one more chance, and the result is up to Shin.

Nam Shin-III stands on an overpass, projecting a hologram of So-bong beside him. He reaches out to touch her face, but his fingers pass through the hologram. He touches her locket that he still wears and lets the hologram fade.

So-bong leaves Nam Shin-III a message saying that she was afraid of him when he attacked her, because for that instant, he seemed like a robot instead of a person. She asks if he’s not coming to see her because she thought something bad, and asks for his forgiveness.

She sobs that she misses him and threatens to cry until he comes to hug her. Nam Shin-III listens and can’t resist, and it’s as if his feet act on their own, taking him to So-bong. As soon as she sees him, So-bong snaps at him for taking so long. She reminds him that she’s crying, and Nam Shin-III goes to her.

But just as he reaches her, something flashes in his eyes, and they go dead. He keeps walking right past So-bong, so she grabs his arm and asks what’s wrong. Nam Shin-III looks at her blankly and asks, “Who are you?” Oof.

He shakes off her arm, but So-bong grabs hold again. He breaks free and gets in a car that pulls up with Shin behind the wheel. Nam Shin-III looks at So-bong running behind the car and says he doesn’t know her, because his entire memory has been blocked except for his memories of Shin.

In the morning, Chairman Nam arrives at work and tells Young-hoon to call Jong-gil. They meet on the roof, where Chairman Nam asks if Jong-gil talked to Shin about his father. He growls that if Shin learns anything, he’ll personally silence Jong-gil for good.

Nam Shin-III joins them, and Chairman Nam sees the battery watch set to manual mode. He says that’s not Shin, just as Nam Shin-III locks onto him and grabs him by the throat. He pushes Chairman Nam backwards towards the roof edge, and from a safe distance, Shin sneers and tells Nam Shin-III, “What are you doing? Finish him.”

Jong-gil seems almost excited to see Nam Shin-III in action, and he quietly slinks away when So-bong shows up and screams at Nam Shin-III to stop. She begs Nam Shin-III to remember who he is, but he violently tosses her aside then suddenly targets her.

He slowly advances on So-bong, but she refuses to run from him, even when he clutches her throat. So-bong keeps telling Nam Shin-III that she’s not scared of him, bravely looking him straight in the eye as he lifts her off her feet. She begs him, “Please, come back,” as a single tear rolls down her face.

The tear drops onto Nam Shin-III’s hand, and he suddenly remembers Rule Number One: hug someone who is crying. It reminds him of all the times he and So-bong have hugged, and how she told him she would always be on his side.

As So-bong starts to lose consciousness, Nam Shin-III overrides his own manual mode, and he drops So-bong into his arms. He holds her and says, “I’m sorry for finally hugging you now.”

COMMENTS

Okay, I’m definitely not a fan of this whole manual mode thing, which is allowing Shin to break Nam Shin-III and So-bong’s hearts without even being in the same room. Nam Shin-III is smart to keep away from So-bong, because if Shin decides to truly do some damage, he could easily kill So-bong in a matter of seconds. They’ve been lucky that Shin has backed off just in time so far, but he’s getting more and more out of control, and I don’t trust him not to go off in a rage and use Shin to actually kill someone. Hopefully though, Nam Shin-III has figured out how to override manual mode now.

It’s not like I thought that Shin would be happy to wake from his coma and discover that a robot has been living his life, but I never anticipated this overwhelming hatred and determination to destroy Nam Shin-III no matter what. He’s so blinded by his years of mistreatment at Chairman Nam’s hands, and what he sees as his mother’s abandonment, to even be happy that Nam Shin-III was only acting as a bookmark to stop his life from imploding while he was unconscious. Shin seems like emotionally, he’s stuck at the age where his father died and his mother disappeared from his life — he reminds me of a selfish child who would rather see a beloved toy (his life) destroyed than let another kid play with it. I think that, in Shin’s mind, just the fact that Nam Shin-III lived his life for even a short time is an act that deserves punishment, and he’d genuinely rather have lost everything than have a robot take his place, even temporarily. It makes no logical sense, but Shin’s never been an emotionally stable person or made rational decisions, so this one-track-minded resolve to see Nam Shin-III destroyed is definitely in-character for him.

Shin’s problem is that by going around accusing everyone of liking Nam Shin-III better than him, and acting like such an immature loose cannon, he’s creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. He wasn’t that delightful of a person before, but now he’s making a real nightmare of himself, while Nam Shin-III is sweet and loving even as he’s learning to assert himself. Of course everyone likes Nam Shin-III better, and of course Chairman Nam thinks he’d make a better successor, because Shin is doing everything in his power to prove that he’s a nasty, vengeful, hate-filled person who’s more interested in tearing down the company than doing something useful with it. Normally I wouldn’t agree with giving everything to a robot over his human counterpart, but let’s face it — Nam Shin-III would be a wonderful caretaker of PK Group, while Shin is an unpredictable horror of a person who has admitted that he’d only sell it off in pieces.

I feel like Young-hoon is experiencing a version of Stockholm syndrome, where a victim of abuse develops a sort of codependent attachment to their abuser as a survival mechanism. His life and livelihood have been so entwined with Shin’s for so long, he can’t seem to get free even when he knows that Shin is doing horrible things to good people who don’t deserve it. Young-hoon just stands back while Shin runs rampant, manipulating and physically assaulting people, either directly or through Nam Shin-III — and that’s not including how he’s violating Nam Shin-III’s free will. But while Young-hoon knows it’s wrong, and even admits it to Shin’s victims, he does nothing to stop Shin and even helps him carry out his plans. As So-bong pointed out, Young-hoon is dangerously close to becoming an accomplice to Shin’s increasingly violent behavior. I think that the turning point in Nam Shin-III’s favor will be when Young-hoon finally breaks free of Shin’s influence and begins to act on his own conscience… and I hope it’s soon, because Nam Shin-III really needs the help.

I’ll confess, while I feel that the plot of Are You Human Too is pretty solid and has relatively few holes (you know, for a drama about a robot who’s developing human emotions), I still don’t understand why Shin and Nam Shin-III can’t exist at the same time — why does everyone act like there can be only one? If having them both around is such a problem, which I can get, seeing as how famous Shin is, it seems so simple to just tell the world that the chairman had an advanced AI robot built and designed him to look like his grandson. Or send Nam Shin-III to live in another country, seeing as how he apparently speaks a zillion languages perfectly. Or even easier, just change Nam Shin-III’s face. But everyone acts like it’s just obvious that one of them has to die, and nobody will explain why. It’s forcing me to suspend my disbelief, which bothers me in a show that’s otherwise pretty tight, plot-wise.

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They say the heart of a monster is the heart of a child who never had to grow into a man.

Especially if that child lived a life of powerlessness and abuse and believed that their Mummy would save them only to find out she'd replaced him instead.

Give that child a super-powered avatar and they're going to go mad with the power they never had. It's also why Shin told NSIII to disappear and then two seconds later told him he wasn't allowed to disappear. He don't want NSIII gone, he wants people to choose him over the robot him. He doesn't want NSIII dead, he wants him redundant.

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YES and YES and a YES once more!

I HATED how the episode ended! The boy needs love not hate and rejection. And who wouldn’t want the piss your pants harabuji gone? Who wouldn’t? I hope Dr Ye has struck up his sleeve. I can’t bear to have him reject Shin as well. Dumb kiddo won’t be able to beat it...

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Trick not struck*

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These people drove his father to his death, kidnapped him, forced him to reject his mother, and then tried to kill him. All for a company. I'd want to burn that to the ground too.

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It's ironic that, understandable as his feelings are, he seems to be generally lacking the very same empathy you are feeling for him.

"I don't want the company," or "I want to burn it to the ground." I get it.

"You replaced me with a robot version so I'm going to sulk at you and make you suffer emotionally the same way I am." Not what I would do, but I see where you're coming from.

"I want to choke the life out of you using the hands of your robot boyfriend because seeing you enjoy time with him (even when I'm not there directly or am spying on you) infuriates me." Ehhhhhhhhhhh...I'm struggling here.

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Pretty sure I called him an emotionally-stunted monster who was never allowed to grow up...

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Agree. What is the catalyst that transforms petulant anger into destructive violence? It bothers me how much Nam Shin’s childhood is used to excuse his adult behavior. When does it become inexcusable?

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I thought Nam Shin behavior became inexcusable when he attempted to murder of Grandpa using Nam Shin 3 as the murder weapon. That was a bright line between petulant behavior and criminal/murderous action.

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Yes, thank you. I'd want to burn it to the ground too. How are the writers going to reconcile his past and present self and give him redemption? Don't let the end game keep him evil, let him heal.

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I agree! The grandfather is the worst, and it is not surprising that Human Sin is a mess after the abuse he suffered. And getting revenge by destroying grandpa's precious company makes a lot of sense. I hope he succeeds and then figures a way to have a happy life.....
Of course I am also rooting for the robot :)

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I have the feeling now that we are getting a happy ending and that love after all will make Shin to become "human" again, the same way NS3 became human thanks to the love that he received.
I trust Secretary Ji to make it happen, haha!! :D

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What's Wrong With Secretary Ji: they both need to love their bosses, and quit. ;)

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I don't want grandpa dead. I like him very much. I understand his greed and ideas. I will also choose Namshin III over "human" Nam Shin if I want the better for my company. Blood don't means nothing in this cases. I hate nepotism

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But this not not some blatant nepotism now is it? Grandpa took his grandson away from his mother to make him the ‘heir’ then subsequently banished him for a robot. Why did he seperate HShin from his mother then? Moreover HShin doesn’t even one the stupid company he just wants acceptance which he never got. I would be mad as hell with my grandpa too if he chose to ignore me after putting me through so much trauma and harship to choose the perfect version of me.

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That's a very good explanation for the scene between Nam Shin and Nam Shin III on the roof. When Nam Shin III was about to throw himself off, Shin looked scared which surprised me because isn't that what he wanted?

But you are right. He wants everyone to choose him over the robot. Weirdly enough, Ye Na is one of the person who does but he doesn't give a shit about her.

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I find it interesting that Ye Na is his So Bong but he literally doesn't notice her existence.

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Not at all. He barely tolerates her.

I get the feeling Ye Na is starting to get scared of Shin though.

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She was quite rational this episode. It's the first time I didn't mind her.

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Ye Na was doing great this episode--she spoke truth to Shin. And I do believe NS cares for her: I don't see any reason at present to doubt YH for saying Shin sees her as a little sister. (I could've believed him loving her but wanting to hide it from Grandpa, but those are some empty-eyed stares over her shoulder… he really doesn't seem attracted to her.)

But he super takes her for granted, and I do keep waiting for him to be like 'wait, you tried to marry me against my will via a robot?' NS has done far worse, but it does seem like it should put a crimp in their relationship. I guess maybe they're both so messed up they're like 'Reasonable business' but that's no good either. Be free, Ye Na: enabling's no good, being unloved is no good, this situation is no good.

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YN and SB really don't share anything but gender though? YH is his Sobong. I'm not just being a delulu shipper. he calls him out on his shit all the time, does everything in order to protect him even if it hurts his feelings sometimes - and that last part is vital. Yena is too immature to notice the long-term consequences of her actions.

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What I meant was that he's fixated on So-bong because she gives NSIII what he thinks he doesn't have - unconditional love.

He wants somebody to love him no matter how badly he behaves. He wants somebody to choose him over NSIII. He wants somebody who loves him and doesn't like NSIII at all.

He already has that. He just treats her like a pot plant.

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It should also be known that there is a limit to everything. No matter how hurt you are there is a limit to how people will understand you.
What Shin is doing is borderline and everyone around him are reaching their limit of understanding, even Ye Na who professes to love him unconditionally is removing her tinted glasses. But what Shin doesn't know is that he is moving as someone's puppet. Jung Il has been quiet for a few episodes but he has been observing and he knows that getting Shin to destroy his grandpa will get him the chairman position easily especially knowing how unstable Shin is.
All in all there is a limit to the empathy people supposedly feel for Shin because he is losing his reality but I do agree he needs love and a lot of therapy... Stat.

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That's a good point. If Nam Shin III sacrifices himself for others, that would make him automatically a hero and better than Nam Shin in everyone's eyes. That would justify the love that others have for NS3. And Nam Shin hates this idea, what he wants is to strip NS3 from his individuality, all this time he has been doing things to prove that NS3 is nothing but an object. It's like he wants to prove the others wrong and that he's the rightful owner of their supposed affections.

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*nods* He won't be satisfied until NS 3 doesn't matter--and NS 3 does matter, because he's a person!

That is a super great quote. It is very interesting seeing how trauma is playing out through so many different characters in so many different ways.

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I've gotten bored with this show, mostly because of human Nam Shin's arc the past couple episodes. I like your thoughts and it's giving me hope to not give up on Nam Shin yet. Don't know what else to say. It's hard to see how either one will survive, and I'm curious how the writers are going to end it.

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Wow! I love your analysis!

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YAYYYY its finally here! Thank you for the recap @lollypip. I completely agree with your comments. And i love your analysis of human shin, or should i say shuman? Is he honestly redeemable at this point? I also love that sobong is strong and smart enough to know roboshin would never hurt her.

Another issue thst still bothers me with this show is how roboshin still insists he doesnt feel any emotions.... when clearly, he is the most human of them all. (Cant he just tell sobong he loves her? I knew he does in his own way but come on roboshin! I believe in you)

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Now that is what you call love conquers all..

I love how this show has shown all sides of love, good or bad one.
Parent love- Laura to human shin and nam shin 3. Mr kang to Sobong.

Brotherly love - younghoon and shin and Nam shin 3. I do hope that Nam shin would realize the consequences of what he has done..

Love that does not need any blood relation - David to Nam shin 3

Obsessive love- yena and shin. Though I think Yena is really growing out of her obsession. I am not sure

Love out of gratitude- Younghoon to grandpa shin.

And most of all unconditional love, Sobong and Namshin 3

I love this show so much! There are so manu life lessons especially being human in an inhumane world

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and the last love...? Loving someone to the extent where you can forgive them.

Can you still love and forgive a person who's become a monster?

I'm hoping to see some NS and NS3 love at the end, please!!! It's what I've been wanting since NS woke up...T_T

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Cry and let the Shinnamon hug you, Orishin!

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Maybe Yena? She is still right beside nam shin... i mean she would still forgive him despite evrything or is she still obsessed?

Maybe Laura? I don't know what will happen 😭😭😭

Nam shin 3 already had his unconditional love and one will forogive him in eberything but how about our human shin. He deserves happiness too

Me too i want to see them love at the end

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That punch from So-bong was oh so worth to see!!! Feels like So-bong is the rep of all NSIII fangirls out there! (Me for one)

P.S. Give KSJ the Daesang already...

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I agree that they could just change his face and take away Shin's memories and that problem would be solved. It is unfair that Shinammon knows all the personal information about Shin which was given without Shin's permission, but I don't think it would be a big deal to just erase it. So Bong would probably be on board with having less of the Original Shin in Shinammon :)

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Shinammon actually suggested this in a prior episode, and SoBong's response to this rings true to me - it's not his fault he was made the way he was made and he has just as much right to live with that face and the knowledge he has as anybody else. Taking those things away from him, to me, would seem disrespectful and like a prioritization of the OriShinal's desires over the consideration of how these changes would affect Shinnamon. The funny thing is, Shinnamon probably would not mind. But editing his experiences by wiping out the personal information would change who he is - hugging when people cry and the way he cares about people in general. And let's be honest here - out of the two, who has worked hard to earn the respect of those around them?

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I disagree. Shin's face and memories were taken from him without his consent. It is a violation of his rights. An individual's rights don't get taken away just because the other person "deserves" something more. I think all of us would agree that someone who was created who could pass for ourselves would be a great violation of our privacy.

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I agree with your disagreement (up to a point) - using Shin's face without his permission is indeed a violation of his rights. Though whether, legally, OriShinal would have a leg to stand on, would be something else completely.

I would argue (in my position as keyboard robot rights activist) that Shinnamon doesn't have OriShinal's memories - yes, his desires may be based on those OriShinal had as a child, but it's clear that, at this point, they've diverged and become two completely separate entities based on their differing experiences. The memories that Shinnamon has are entirely his own. All other information he has about Adult OriShinal is either knowledge from public information (e.g the slapping of So Bong) or was fed to him by Young Hoon. As the ongoing Beanie debate concerning the nature of OriShinal's relationship with Ye-Na proves, the information from Young Hoon could be said to be conjecture.

I hope I wasn't implying that OriShinal didn't deserve his rights - simply that, in pitting their rights against each other, I could see the imbalance - one prefers that the other didn't exist, whereas the other would be happy to go elsewhere and live quietly. In allowing one, you completely and utterly disregard the other.

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I love that you agree with my disagreement to a point :) Great phrase. It is a mess. Honestly, I get mad at Laura all over again for making this mess with a kill switch as the solution.

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I disagree. I believe the only rights Shin has are his response/reactions to things, his emotions and his perspective. I believe those are the things he truly has control over that are rightfully his.

As for your points, I believe his face is technically taken from both his parents genetically. Part of it belongs to Mom, so she had every right to use it. Also his looks isn't original. Gene expressions isn't infinite and because of that, chances are you have a twin or three that looks just like you somewhere in the world...

As for his memories, well technically his Mom shares those memories as well (of course it is from her perspective of the event/situation). So if you look at it from that perspective, Mom has every right to embed her memories of him into NS3. It was actually her memories NS3 has and not NS's.

So to me, no one was really violating NS's rights in terms of privacy. The people around NS did those things because it invovled them in some ways, their partial "right" gave them permission. Is it right in NS' perspective? No but how can he deny them when those things are theirs too?

Which brings forth this point about taking stuff away from people...RobotShin is metaphor of a toy for reason. Come on NS, when are you going to learn that you have to share, compromise and negotiate?

At least, that's how I saw things...

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I was talking about his legal rights. I suppose that it depends on the legal system, but in the legal systems that i am familiar with, you have a right to your likeness. It is not owned by your mother or father and certainly you do not have a right to impersonate others, though that is a different argument entirely.

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I agree in that it does depend on the legal system. Honestly I do not know much about Korean's legal system to say that what the characters did were in fact a privacy to NS' legal rights in terms of Korean governance.

That's why I presented my perspective from one that had nothing to do with legal rights but merely a universal right in that everyone - even these characters - has a right to their own feelings and opinions.

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I don’t think there’s the sense that everyone thinks there will only be one Shin. It’s really just been Mom and Shin. The rest of the story’s all about who inherits what Shin believes to be rightfully his: the company. That doesn’t require Nam Shin III to die, but it does take away the ONLY thing that makes Shin’s suffering worth it away from him.

I do have limited sympathy for Shin: his grandfather abducted and emotionally abused him, his mother literally replaced him with a doll, his best friend clearly likes the doll a whole lot, and now his main tool of revenge against his grandfather is going to be taken away. There’s not much more to make your life and pain completely meaningless than “we made a doll of you and like him enough that you’re useless to us”.

Of course there can be two Shins, but if there are, then Shin will likely end up being the inferior version for the rest of his life. And he knows it.

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This show continues to impress me. Yes, there are a couple of things that frustrate me (I agree with you on the "two Nam Shins" issue, they can exist at the same time out of each other's way with no problem), but mostly, the plot, the pace, the acting, the relationships, it all works for me. I'm scared how it will end, though. Shin scares me, Grandpa too, and Jong-il is such a bastard.
I hope Young Hoon will at last be able to make Shin come to his senses before he commits actual murder, if it's even possible at this point. Poor Young Hoon; he obviously loves Shin and would probably give his life to protect him, but now he has to accept the fact that there might be no saving or redeeming him anymore, he's too far gone in his own hate to be stopped or forgiven. That must be a blow that's difficult to bear.

Side note: can we get just a little more robomance, pretty please? At least one kiss before the show's over?

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When Shinnamon was coming like a train at So Bong, after longing to touch her face, I was like 'Maybe he's not going in for a hug!'

… Aaaand then we all know what happened. THANKS, Original Sin. Murder AND OTP interference!

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They can exist at the same time as far as everyone but Shin is concerned. Even if NamShinIII got a different face and memories, his grandfather would want to leave the company to the robot - there’s no rule Shin would inherit. If grandpa died and Shin inherited, NamShinIII is a very expensive piece of company property and certainly can’t be allowed to just go to Iowa with his girlfriend. If Shin just accepts a robot as a doppelgänger, he’s looking at a future where he’s compared to an ageless supercomputer for the rest of his days.

For Shin, I can understand why he’s gone all Highlander about this. Coming from the other side he’s obviously trying to kill a sentient being, but from Shin’s side? The creation of this robot between his mother and grandfather (ew?) is guaranteed to ruin his life.

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I think my heart broke when RoboShin saw another "error"/hologram of Sobong on the bridge. Gah! I seriously can't get enough of the robomance.

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Nam Shin is disgusting and despicable human being. There, I said it. I don't understand how anyone can find his behavior defensible after all he's done - he's crossed the line from cowardly, self-destructive behavior to actively being hurting and destroying someone just because he can. Of course, we've seen this behavior from him before, but now that he think he has a robot toy, it's taken on a more dangerous scale. He didn't just deny a intelligent robot of his selfhood with manual mode, he also denying NS III of what his wishes Shin to respect. The people around Shin are telling him to mind his own business or calling out his behavior, so why...well I don't understand people trying to rationalize and justify his behavior. Also meh, Shin projecting his self hatred onto Robo Shin. Can't stand him.

"I'd rather disappear than harm humans" If only some actual human being would take a cue. I totally cheered when So Bong punched Shin in the face. I think Shinnabong may possibly be one of my favorite OTPs of all time in Kdramaland. So-Bong's love for Nam Shin is so beautiful - I love that she admits she was scared of him and thought of bad things at first, but she doesn't anymore and asks him to come back.

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This episode made me appreciate Kang So-bong more. I love her as RoboShin's friend and love interest but after all the things she did this episode, I love her more as an individual character!

Here are some notable things she did this episode proving how she's physically and mentally strong:

1. When she told OriShin that she will make him pay whether he is real or not.

2. When So-bong was brave enough to stay on RoboShin's side although her life was in danger due to manual mode.

3. When So-bong punched OriShin in the face telling him he deserved it!

4. When So-bong told RoboShin that she's sorry for thinking that RoboShin was a machine for a moment and that she's waiting for him to hug her.

5. When she told RoboShin that she was not afraid of him which made him override the manual mode.

Seriously, So-bong is proving to be one strong female character and I love her for doing the right things and standing for what is right.

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I know that many Beanies wanted a redemption arc for Shin, but I'm actually okay with the fact that there might not be one.

The writer has created a character who chooses to use violence (against himself or others) at every point. This has been the case from the very first episode and I appreciate the careful character crafting (even if I might have liked it to be different). What was a very disturbing scene for me in ep1, where he hit So bong so hard that he hurt his own hand, was something that was needed to establish his level of violence - and the writer only had one episode to do that before he ended up in a coma.

Here are the choices that Shin makes:
I need to create a disturbance at the airport. I know, I'll hit my security guard so hard that it actually hurts my hand (oh, okay then)
I need to show everybody that I'm not a robot. I know, I'll smash a glass and make myself bleed (oh, okay then)
I need to show gramps that I won't just be controlled. I know, I'll smash all the paintings until I bleed (oh, okay then)
I need to show So Bong that I'm controlling her RoboBoy. I know, I'll try to strangle her (oh, okay then)
I need to show Gramps that RoboBoy is just a Tin Can. I know, I'll try to kill him (oh, okay then)

It might not be what we wanted to see, but I do love the consistency in that behaviour (seeing as he spent most of the series in a coma and wouldn't have much character growth whilst unconscious) and that, the more the pressure is piled on him, the more violently he lashes out.

As I said, it might not have been what we wanted, but I actually don't mind having this character turn to the dark side. In fact, after how hard he punched So bong in ep 1, I would have found Shin becoming a good character hard to swallow.

That doesn't mean I don't want some sort of satisfying outcome for him of course. Some anger management training and freedom from the company together with YH will do nicely.

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When you grow up when all you see is violence from your grandfather who raise you, We can expecting it will be transmit to you. Not always, but generally. My mother used to be violence due to my grandfather raise her so.

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I'm sorry to hear about that. I'm not saying that I don't understand it - I was purely commenting on how the writer created this fictional character.

On a different note, I know that it's possible to break that cycle and I hope you'll be able to do it.

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my mom used to violence when I was a child though. Given the stress she felt as a carrier woman. When she gets older, she is no longer do it. That's the reason I relate to drama Mother. That's okay. Haha

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This! Even though his actions in recent eps hold to be more despicable, the way he slapped So-bong in the first ep is pretty unforgettable, and remains ingrained as an act of violence so hard to forgive. It's not just the action, but rather the strength of it. And whilst I'd be okay with giving him some sort of hopeful resolution, doesn't mean he deserves it. His redemption will ultimately boil down to whether he himself will be able to salvage what little sense of self he has left. The characters who care will remain by his side, whilst those who don't, will continue to live their life, free of Shin's torment. I can just imagine So-bong and Nam-shin III shrugging their shoulders and be on their merry way, without ever looking back.

I've got to applaud the writers/directors for their consistency in showing Shin's violent streak though - I thought it would be a one off after ep1, but this way makes a lot more sense. I really hope they dish out a resolution that is equally in line of his character - I'm not expecting unicorns & rainbows, but I do want some sort of closure befitting his arc.

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At least Shin is finally going after the person who caused all that pain (by using Nam Shin III which is totally wrong). Shin lashed out at everyone who had his best interests at heart but never Jong-Gil or the Chairman.

Like "Dude, they are the reason you are in this position in the first place."

Though using a robot who wears his face is probably not a smart move. If he had killed the chairman, Jong-Gil could have locked up human Shin for murder and then taken the company. But Shin never struck me as the rational type.

With 2-3 episodes left, I am not sure if we will have a redemption arc for Shin. Maybe if Mom finally puts her foot down and knocks some sense into her son.

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The problem with two Shins coexisting:
human Shin is hurt by the very idea of roboShin's existence, not just the practicalities of having a better version of himself hanging around ready to replace him. It's a reminder that while he was crying in a room alone missing his mum like crazy, but still trying to be brave for her sake, his mother was smiling happily to another child.

Shinnamon is also a living proof of what his life would have been like had his mother chosen him instead. That's why no matter how hard he's pushing for his destruction, when push comes to shove he prevents the other Shin's suicide.

Rational? not really... Understandable? I think so.

It is twisted, but Shin is using manual mode to wreck with that image of the boy that would have been... and hating his mother, grandfather and himself in the process. I also think it's a test of sorts - he's showing his worst possible face hoping that someone will love him regardless.

KSB is that person for Shinnamon - she looks into the eyes of a killer-mode robot and says I am not afraid of you, come back to me. [sure she knows that this is not really her Shin behaving horribly but still...]

It goes against instinct and logic but the only thing Shin would actually respond to is a proof of complete loyalty. That's why he's forcing all his loved ones to chose between Shins. That's also why I understood to some degree why YH and mum were enabling his bad behavior. But Shin does not trust people so he does not completely believe their show of loyalty in any case; so he ends up pushing it too far

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So true! And again, the irony is that the only person showing 'true' and complete loyalty to him is the one person who couldn't care less about him (Jeong Gil) and is just waiting to betray him.

Those who care call him out on his behaviour - Ro-ra, Young Hoon, Ye-Na, Shinnamon, even Gramps to some extent - and won't let him do what he wants if they think it will destroy him.

Whereas Jeong Gil is smugly sat there "Yeah, you go ride that angry horse off that cliff sir. Have fun!" His awfulness from Jung Woo's death has become a habit and OriShinal doesn't realise that he's heading towards it too...in the complete opposite direction of his Dad.

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Also, what I wrote above is my analysis of Shin's pathology. I am in no way condoning this sort of behavior. Nor saying that characters in the show should allow him to do it. I just think is fair to properly spell out his version of the facts. He'll need a quadrillion hours of therapy before becoming a healthy adjusted human being but I do hope for him to get there eventually.

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I totally agree about the lack of rationality, but it making emotional sense.

Does NS know that his mom was threatened with his life if she kept trying to return? She should really tell him: that it wasn't abandonment, but the same thing he was trying to do for her. (Not that this makes the creating a robot thing… not weird, but then NS had a room full of robots to remind him of his mama.)

People do love and are loyal to NS regardless--but he can't believe in their love. And they're not showing it right by enabling his behaviours, even though that's what he's asking for as proof of love--loyalty isn't letting someone else destroy themselves. Though YH does try, with his asking NS to promise not to hurt people, NS breaks that promise immediately and doesn't seem to understand that people can't have faith in you if you consistently shatter that faith. NS, smashing stuff and then being surprised they're smashed. He is consistent! Heal thyself, dude.

The thing NS is missing, I think, is that it's got to be mutual--as So Bong explained to NS 3 in an earlier episode, comfort the people who want to be comforted by you (and let them comfort you in return). So Bong had faith, and NS 3 justified her faith. Which is a really scary risk to take, but love always is.

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NS breaks that promise immediately and doesn't seem to understand that people can't have faith in you if you consistently shatter that faith. NS, smashing stuff and then being surprised they're smashed. He is consistent! Heal thyself, dude.

The thing NS is missing, I think, is that it's got to be mutual--as So Bong explained to NS 3 in an earlier episode, comfort the people who want to be comforted by you (and let them comfort you in return). So Bong had faith, and NS 3 justified her faith. Which is a really scary risk to take, but love always is.

*Nods furiously in agreement* @jaelegant (Sorry to tag you if it's irritating) - this is what I meant by Shinnamon 'deserving' the respect of others - that it's reciprocal. Fortunately, MaryBee is far more eloquent than I am in expressing it!

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Amazing analysis of his pathology, I must say. I think shin wants someone to love him unconditionally, and after a one to one conversation with whoever that is, I think he will agree instantly that his behavior has been wrong so far and he knows it. [Part of the reason why he's so jealous of so bong and shin III's relationship is probably because of this, he doesn't have a so bong.] He just needs someone to say that everything's gonna be okay, you're hurting and it's okay, and you take your time. And then he will stop destroying himself. Maybe inside he's still that 8 years old stranded on a strange island.
No way I am justifying his acts either but I thought I saw something humane in him when we see in the flashback that he was almost ready to go back to his mom but then grandpa warns him that his mom's life is at stake. So his grandpa indeed created the monster in him. And sadly he doesn't know the way back.
To be fair, everyone kept saying do everything you want to but then come back, but that's not actually helpful for him either. He needs lots of counseling and therapy sessions and long discussions with people who care about him. All we see is how he has been doing all sort of reckless activities but nobody is there and giving him the time that he needs. And he's not even emotionally stable right now to go to work and carry off these businesses. Although his physical sickness has been taken care of, but the heart's sickness is the most important one that we keep ignoring.

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I dunno about people ignoring it, we and many of the characters do talk about his feelings a lot. ;)

I agree with you that NS does know his behaviour is wrong, but he does also need to make the choice to accept and reciprocate love--there's no single, right, perfect way to offer him love that'll fix things.

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Haha call this my personal weakness, I have a thing for internally damaged souls lol. Although I have suffered for it, I think in these type of situations, a lot of coaxing needs to be done. Rehabilitating patients come to mind in this regard. I agree that Rora herself is not quite well herself but rather than giving short answers to his questions, she needed to stay there with him and not leave him with ye na. Regardless, I have questioned her attitude for totally disregarding Nam shin III all these time so it's not like I am very assured that she would be able to fix her son's mind. He has made up his own answers in his mind and making all the wild assumptions which are the incentive for his destructive behavior.

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*Rehabilitating patients to their previous environment.

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I think before counseling and therapy and long discussions can possibly be of any help, Human Nam Shin needs to regret his actions. It has to start from inside. He has to want to change.

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Thanks @Lollypip for the great recap! Regarding your comments about the two Shins not being able to coexist, it also bugged me a bit, because I could also think of many possibilities to make it happen, haha! But there are a couple of things that may justify this situation: firstly Nam Shin thinks the robot has stolen the love of his mother from him for 20 years and that even now she loves the robot (and he's not wrong), and that will not change even if the robot changes faces or leaves. Also, Nam Shin III is property of grandpa and now grandpa wants to give the company to him, so is it really possible for the robot to run away and hide when granpda literally owns part of him and has his brain stored in the PK building? And human Nam Shin wants to destroy grandpa above all things, and he knows that NS3 is the apple of his eyes now. I see that Nam Shin has strong reasons (given his current mindset) to destroy NS3. I also want the two Nam Shins to be able to coexist and I think there are so many options for that.... the main (and maybe only) obstacle is what Nam Shin thinks of the robot.

This episode was great as always and increasing the tension even more (if that is possible). I cried a river with the separation of NS3 and So Bong. He is a lost puppy without her and the way he couldn't resist to go back to her even when he was scared of hurting her...he standing 20meters from SB not daring to approach made my heart sink. And then Nam Shin stole the precious moment and NS3 memories. 😭 Just hope that we are given a happy ending after all this stress and pain, haha!!

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Poor, poor NS 3, he was so afraid. I join you in bawling! NS had already tried to take away the one person NS 3 has, but boy did he try to back up his words 'People should be with people'--you could see that land for NS 3, and how much more were his fears backed up this episode! For someone like NS 3, who wants above all to protect--whose first override, and possibly first act of free will, was accessing emergency mode to save people from a fire--what a nightmare.

It is clearly all about emotions for NS, so we and the characters can't reason out a way for him to not feel this way. NS 3 sure tried! 'Okay, I'll disappear!' Other people can help him, but NS has to choose as well, because otherwise it's going to stay 'I hate you all! Love me! Disappear! You can't disappear! Don't leave me, get out!' Everything he's doing desperately to make himself feel better will make him feel worse--and hurt innocent people. Like poor Shinnamon and So Bong, who only want to be together and good to each other.

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I want to wack Shin with a watermelon but then he might kill me so that's out of the plan. I understand why he's so emotionally wrecked and ruined but at least get your act together and do something for the better not just trying to sabotage everything when you could be nice and sweet like Nam-shin 3. Okay I know my thoughts aren't exactly in place right now since I'm in a whirlwind of emotion. I just wish we'd get a good grip by the last few episodes and hope it won't let us down. :)

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Thank you for recapping this drama, Lollypip! I'm having fun catching up on all the previous recaps. Your comments, as usual, are always on point ! <3

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Nam Shin continuing his path of vengeful wrath by using and abusing those around him keeps making him less and less redeemable to me. Am I crying a tear when Grandpa finally shuffles off this mortal coil? Nah. Grandpa was an abusive asshole who's mostly reaping what he sowed. But allying himself with Jong-Gil and harming and alienating everyone around him is completely on Nam Shin. His crappy childhood is a mitigating factor but it doesn't change the fact that he has become an abuser himself.

And I am not buying the argument that he had no choice but to become like this. He could have not done a number of things, but no he feels the world owes him and he's going to make everyone pay.

Thank god people are slowly standing up to him. Or you know, clocking him in the face (kang so boooong <3333).

I am so glad Kang SoBong isn't putting up with his bullshit at all and is 100% on NS3s side and keeps telling him NS is not in the right at all.

I wonder where Young Hoon is going to end up, because to me it seemed like he was definitely harboring feelings for Nam Shin that were more than brotherly and I was wondering why he was sticking up for Nam Shin like this but even he seems to be wavering now.

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The show does sometimes seem to want me to want Grandpa spared, because of--filialness? taking any human life is wrong?--but Nam Shin could drown him in their water feature for all I care. It's the attacks on others that are unbearable--and yes he has his reasons, but they're not excuses. Maybe Grandpa had his reasons once too. Cycle of abuse still has to be broken!

So Bong is the real MVP. Well, I can't decide whether she or Shinnamon is the real MVP, but in an episode where everybody else was being terrible, they shone.

Young Hoon's feelings for NS are definitely ambiguous! In earlier episodes I feared the feelings weren't reciprocated, but as it turns out they are--NS clearly does care. I support their love in whatever form, brotherly, romantic or soldiers-from-the-war bond, but not the enabling. He said sorry to NS 3 and So Bong, but sorry is a doing word! I love how Young Hoon and NS 3 have a distinct bond of their own--even the chemistry feels really different, props so many times to SKJ. As supportive connections save NS 3 and So Bong, I think they'll save Young Hoon. (And maybe--everybody? Oh no, I can't hope for happy endings like a sucker.)

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Yeah, exactly. Especially Nam Shin towards his nephew is inexusable to me, because the nephew is a small child who has done nothing. He's not wronged Nam Shin in any way and yet Nam Shin seems to resent his very existance.

And I agree SoBong is fantastic and I love her and NS3. They are just endlessly supportive of each other and love each other so much (even if NS3 hasn't quite realised that it is that for him yet. Or maybe it can't be compared to human love bc chemicals but it's not any lesser.)

Wrt Young Hoon: oh yeah NS does have emotions for him too but to me it felt like YH definitely had a romantic attachment to NS but it wasn't quite that on NS' side but I do like their bond, except for the enabling part.
And I totally agree on YH and NS3, they have such a cute relationship which is completely distinct from NS and YH.

And if this show doesn't give me a happy ending i'm going to cry buckets. Don't do this to me show, don't do it ;_;

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I loved the analogy of Shin being the child who would want his favourite toy destroyed rather than let anyone else have it. I personally feel that rather than having a version of the Stockholm Syndrome, Young Hoon is like a partner in a relationship who thinks that they can help the other heal from all the hurt they have faced by staying on their side and helping them in whatever they do. Roboshin being told that he did not have the right to even disappear shattered my heart. I fear OriShinal is too far gone to be redeemed

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this episide is the turning point we will never see him be redeemed. The writers decide to make him a villain. But nevertheless.. Those of raree moment when they are showing human Nam Shin vulnerability. Omg I'm weak. He is crossing thr line, but the writers is humanized him.

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Seriously each episode of this drama has been a rollercoaster ride and I gotta applaud SKJ for doing such a fantastic job in portraying his characters. It's crazy how they have the same face but I absolutely adore the sweet cinnamon role nam shin 3 is while I despise and fear human shin with all my guts and couldn't care any less if he gets run over by a truck again.

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Thank you for the recap. So far I have watched and rewatched every episode with much delight. This week I was pretty disappointed by how evil human Shin turned out to be. I don't really understand the change, from a vulnerable and normal person to a murderer. Maybe they want to imply that the accident and the coma have affected him?! So.... is there no hope for humanity?! Is there no hope for a satisfying ending for both Shins?!

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Thank you for the great recap Lollypip! Wow, this was a great episode for our main couple… although also a heartbreaking one.

It's a little strained, but I'm willing to accept the rationale offered by So Bong in an earlier ep when NS3 asked if he should change his name: given NS's current emotional state, where would it end? One of the other comments mentioned deleting NS 3's memories of NS's personal life, and I was like--no that's a violation! immediately. As we see this episode, NS 3's experiences have all taught him to be the person he is. He deserves to keep his memories, just as David or So Bong (also people who know a lot more about NS than he'd prefer) do. I can understand why So Bong thinks he deserves to keep his face and name too--he's had them ever since he was first made. Twins have the same face as well: it's not an unearthly unimaginable thing. Of course it's all super complicated since NS 3 was literally made in NS's image, but I can see why So Bong is intent on protecting NS 3's personhood in all ways. And before this episode, Young Hoon wanted to protect NS's health by having NS 3 fill in for him half the time, so they still needed him to have NS's face.

I was with David however when he once again suggested flight to the Czech Republic, though manual mode would still have been an issue! And once again I'm thankful to AYHT for its complexity with character work, as with Ye Na and standing up to NS. I was glad Ro Ra got to confront David, but I hadn't considered that David found out it was Grandpa later--still a violation, still colluding with her child's kidnapper, but I can understand more the temptation with the money spent and the deed done to waver and fail.

I don't think Young Hoon has Stockholm Syndrome, unless it's with Evil Grandpa. I read NS and Young Hoon as being mutual victims of abuse, clinging to each other in a storm--which has led to an obvious strong, if unhealthy, attachment. Young Hoon, by being made dependent, centralises Grandpa and the company too much. He's also been trained by continued abuse that passive endurance of pain is both a way to live, and a way to express love. While NS has been trained by abuse to react to bad feelings with explosive destruction of himself and others--the futile raging of a captive, considered valuable (hence his kidnap) and wanting to smash all that was given value by his abuser. Both those responses are now playing out in horrific ways in the real world--YH is letting NS do awful things, and NS's powerless frustration was not helped by being given power over another being and thus so many lives. I was utterly furious with NS this episode, but I see how it's all happening. That said, no matter how hard it may be, the cycle of abuse has to be broken. There's no excuse for the multiple attacks on So Bong, and as you say, Lollypip, NS is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy: relentlessly doubting love, then testing love. Fear leads to doubt leads...

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(We all know I'm Like This.) Fear leads to doubt leads to hate leads to the dark side! I was horrified by NS, but given a little hope by the beginning of the episode: he doesn't think to heal himself, but he brought YH an icepack, and YH had a first-aid kit ready for NS's hand. They took care of each other, trapped in hell. Both need to learn to take care of themselves, and YH needs to learn to act, and NS to stop destruction mode, but since healing is what's needed, the mutual impulse to heal was hopeful.

I do kind of love the way that AYHT brings up a standard drama trope, and then sets it on fire to make the plot burn. Is there going to be a love triangle? Hell no! NS should stay away from So Bong for all time. Is there going to be a robot version of amnesia? Sped by like a car containing two Seo Kang Joons!

I was glad So Bong admitted she was scared of NS 3, because I've been waiting for her to have a moment of doubt--it's very human of her to do so, and we all sometimes doubt the people in our lives. While in this episode she was confronted with stark proof NS 3 wasn't human. It makes me believe in her more that she had it--and then believe in her decision to overcome her fear. Thank God for her, too, as NS 3 needed her so badly in this episode. And like Lollypip I am glad she got to punch NS, partly because I want to see her do more physical stuff (please god let her use her physical prowess in the finale) but mostly because she and her man were done horrific wrong. Let those feelings out, girl!

Which brings me to my poor NS3. This world's premiere darling. I love moments when he's on his own, like when he was alone staring at Ro Ra's picture or in the pool, as they are moments when it's inarguable that he's not doing anything for the humans' benefit. He's just feeling his robot feelings! His fear and sense of violation were palpable. Seeing him stand on his own in the dark after his suicide attempt, imagining So Bong and then having the imagination not be enough because he longed for the comfort of her touch, and reached out to her! (Also a good sign for our couple's future in the physical department.) Having him be lonelier than ever, and touch the necklace she gave him. Another symbol of the necklace occurred to me: that by wearing it, he's literally accepted her heart. He wants to have a heart to give her in return, and without knowing it he does. Once again he did his little trick of 'in my place a human would feel this.' Before, that she's lovely, because she was defending him. This time, that he was helpless. (It's not as if human responses are uniform: he's literally just working out a way to tell people how he feels, without admitting to himself he has feelings.)

By the overriding of manual mode among other things this episode, it's been made clearer than clear that NS 3 isn't 'just' programmed to do things, and that he's created a version of free will. We're shown some science-ish stuff for...

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(I must be stopped!) We're shown some science-ish stuff for how he reroutes: the tear triggers his memories, which allows him to unlock them, which allows him to override and follow his first rule, but there's obviously also an element of choice there. If he was just a programmable machine, he could get with NS's programme. Humans do it, too--surrendering their will to another's as sometimes the easier option under overwhelming pressure, but NS 3 didn't. Do his freedom or feelings map on exactly to a human's? No, but that doesn't make them invalid, especially as he expresses them in a way humans can understand. We see Original Sin understand them, when he looks back on NS 3 trying to jump and we see him both see and doubt what he's done--violated a person, even though he's refusing to accept that NS 3 is a person, and in the process hurt himself and others. Whatever NS does rebounds on himself like a monkey's paw--someone with his face strangling people isn't going to be good PR for him! Trying to make people fear NS 3 only makes them fear NS--for good reason because he's attempting murder with NS 3 as the murder weapon. And NS deserves this consequence of his actions, but NS 3 and So Bong certainly don't deserve to be collateral damage.

Everybody had big choices to make this episode. They were all really hard choices to make, but they still had to be made. OriSin had to choose whether to keep his promise to YH, and overcome his trauma--he chose not to. YH chose to enable NS. So Bong had to choose between love and an almost unreasonable degree of faith, or fully reasonable terror and self-preservation. Shinnamon had to choose between life and death, between free will and control, being a machine or as human as he can be.

We know Shinnamon was worried about being destroyed--he asked So Bong if people would really smash or melt him, and So Bong immediately responded to his fear of mortality with comfort. But in a desperate situation, faced with harming others (what a sad callback to him defending So Bong to Ro Ra after Ye Na went after them): NS 3 was immediately ready to sacrifice himself. What a hero, but how upsetting. He also resisted in many small ways before the big overcome--not just trying to destroy himself, but also the sneaky reaching out to YoungHoon for help, even though his own eyes as well as the rest of his body were taken away from him. I was so glad for Shinnamon and So Bong at the end of the episode. When we saw his watch reading manual mode, and saw it flip, it said 'ON' but that could also be read as 'NO,' which I thought was a great detail. Shinnamon chose.

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*sighs in delight* Your long comments were a joy to read! It was like you took the time to articulate the thoughts raging in my own brain in a delightfully erudite manner!

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Really enjoyed reading your thoughts @marybee - delightfully insightful!!

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To me, YH's situation doesn't seem like Stockholm Syndrome either. It is (in my personal opinion) more like someone who is stuck in a difficult relationship to a rich spouse.

The question in their minds are:

1) do I love this person or do I love what they can provide me with - luckily NS3 sorted this out for him -
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2) how bad does it have to get before I walk away - which is what we saw in this episode.

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I can totally see that! NS and YH are bound to each other in a way that's hard to categorise: secretaries aren't vassals, but in some ways it tries to be the modern equivalent of faithful knight to a king. 'Shin is more important to me than I am' says Young Hoon to NS 3, and NS 3 winks but then says he was kidding. Was he? Does YH think that YH himself isn't worth much--certainly he was trained to think that way. Value yourself, YH, and I hope NS can too.

I do think on the fact that question 1 was answered *for Young Hoon*, but probably not for NS, who was in a coma while Young Hoon was having his epiphany. It's probably something they both wondered, and NS is still wondering while in a spiral of insecurity.

Question 2… 'how bad does it have to get.' In some ways So Bong and Young Hoon are being paralleled here, in that it got really bad, and neither of them walked away. But then there's the contrast: Young Hoon's used to thinking of OriShin as being hurt, and needing help, but right now he's hurting others. So Bong was presented with the *appearance* of NS 3 hurting others, but knew he was hurting and needed help. So Bong was out for herself at the start of the series and now she's risking her life for the man she loves. Young Hoon thought of himself as subsumed in someone else, but he shouldn't stay that way.

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I totally agree that NS still doesn't know how YH answers Q1, which is why he's still offering him money and a cushy life, hoping that will tie YH to him - but we know it won't.

I see the parallels between YH and SB too - and it's interesting that to save NS, YH needs to walk away (at least for the moment), whereas to save NS3, SB needed to stick by his side (as she did).

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There's even the money parallel: So Bong started off ready to do whatever for the benjamins--including spy on someone who saved her life--and Ye Na accused her of wanting to be with NS 3 because being with him felt like being with a rich guy. But now NS 3 is basically homeless, and SB still loves him. YH worried he was in it for the money, but realised he wasn't. Difference is, NS 3 knows SB isn't in it for money--he explicitly says, when she says 'Pay me', that she wouldn't take it. 'The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return...'

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One thing about keeping his memories, I tend to balance where is their first harm and greater harm (both to the individual and for future society precedent). I think there is greater harm in allowing a person's face and memories to be used without their permission than it is for Shinammon to have a reduction in memories related to Shin that he did not need and a change in appearance so that he can no longer impersonate Shin.

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A twin could theoretically use their identical face and memories of the other person to impersonate their own twin: they just don't… usually do that, because they want to be themselves. (Even when they do, like in School 2015, I wouldn't suggest a face change.) It is more tangled than that (especially emotionally) and I do agree that they need their own separate identities, and Shinnamon has repeatedly expressed he wanted to be himself. If someone was like 'Shall I put someone's face on a robot?' my answer would be 'Why, no!' But that decision is long past, and as Shinnamon is now a person with a face and a mind, I think he should get to decide what to do with them. Each to their own, though! It's a great face, I clearly see why there are fights over it. ;)

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But it's not legal for a twin to impersonate their twin. They can, but are not allowed. I would say the same thing applies here.

I agree about the face. I was musing about which part of the face to change and rejected every idea :)

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It should definitely be illegal for robots to impersonate people also. NS 3 is a new creation, and laws need to be made around him--specially as if Ro Ra made another, who can say if they'd be alike?

But I can see in another drama a twin impersonating their twin intending their good while the twin was physically incapacitated (apparently it does happen in Switch?) and having that seem fully sympathetic. Even though it'd be illegal. But like, so is assassination, and that was a real concern!

Ro Ra: I did not know my son was going to grow up to be astonishingly handsome, though I guess given my own beauty I shouldn't be surprised. Oh no this was a weapon I never intended to bestow...

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So.... the question about NS3's memories of NS's personal life is interesting (as are almost all the questions AYHT raises!)

What is very clear, is that NS3's view of what NS was really like was very incomplete and often incorrect. That's why you see that NS3 impersonating NS was actually nothing much like NS himself at all! What fascinates me about that, is that what NS3 was taught, was really NS seen through YH's eyes - rather than the real NS.

Does it mean that YH thought he'd better not tell NS3 about the violent tendencies, about the bad tempers, about anything other than: you don't talk to grandpa (didn't mention the violent rages), you don't talk to the kid, you don't touch YN?

Or was it that in YH's eyes, NS was really like that?

In hindsight, YH told NS3 (and in a way Laura and David too) about a very sanitised and socially acceptable version of NS. Which is why for us, the viewer, the reality of NS - rather than NS as played by NS3 - is a shock to the system. But, I think, it also means that NS3 didn't really have access to NS's memories. Much of what we've seen of NS's background, NS3 knows nothing about.

That's why I feel that the memories that NS3 has, are his alone and not NS's.

The face - well, shall we just agree that the more versions of people with that face there are on the planet, the better it is?

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Super interesting question, the idea of memories and how we're perceived by others.

It was a really limited view of NS, for I think a bunch of reasons, and it's fun that we the audience took it onboard in the same uncritical way Shinnamon did. (Plus Ro Ra was clearly already horrified by the sanitised version, so YH may have felt compunction about also being all 'Oh, and his hobby is smashing stuff.') I mean, YH didn't even mention 'Oh, and there's a super recent Huge Scandal in which he struck a woman to the floor.' YH could say 'he's rude,' but maybe he didn't want NS's mom to think super badly of him? Who can say, but it's fun to speculate.

Young Hoon was trying to both fool people and not to cause problems--hence wanting NS 3 to not fly into rages and to uh, go to work. YH presented NS as more composed than he is--was YH unconsciously attributing his own reserve to NS, or just that's the way YH copes with life and feels it would make everything easier if NS would just be that way? (Because Shinnamon's NS impersonation actually has some similarities to YH's demeanour.)

Young Hoon, for instance, *didn't* tell NS 3 to call him hyung, even though that's what NS calls him all the time, including in front of Grandpa. Like what were you doing YH if you're meant to be building this flawless copy. The only reasons I can think of for YH not to do that are sentimental: he wanted Shinnamon to present a superficial appearance of NS, but he always seemed uncomfortable to be actually reminded of NS, or to have anything resembling a real connection with NS 3.

What we never saw is NS 3 actually accessing NS's memories in some way, which *would* be a violation, as NS cutting off NS 3's memories was. NS 3 didn't even know if his impersonation was accurate, which is why he asks So Bong if NS is like he practised.

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"Young Hoon...[has] been trained by continued abuse that passive endurance of pain is both a way to live, and a way to express love."

Oof - this observation slayed me. So sad!

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Okay now i'm very clear about one thing that writer have zero interest in making human couple, i thought somewhere on middle of the drama that human shin replace the robo shin and he will fall in love with so bong and in that way he will finally receive and realize true love and all his hatred will be gone because i have great sympathy with him but the writer turning him in complete monster . But its okay the story is about robo-human love story , so it is digestible otherwise it will become really hard to believe(i mean human like the robot is one thing but how the robot??? never mind as i'm from science background overthinking is a habit.LoL

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I think they've dealt with this as much as they're going to by:
a) establishing that NSIII is physiologically incapable of reciprocating So-bong's feelings
b) establishing that his program is producing actions that are similar to human emotional behaviour and
c) concluding that whether NSIII has or does not have emotions is irrelevant if he is behaving as though he does

Personally, I don't think that So-bong would be satisfied long-term with a partner who is incapable of loving her. I think she is going to find herself increasingly dissatisfied as time goes on. But most people disagree with me.

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Thank you for your recap and comments, LollyPip! After letting these episodes marinate, I've realized that the show's title is really a question that should be asked of Chairman Nam, Nam Shin, and Seo Jong-gil. They are such flawed individuals that I would be tempted to say that they are not human. Or maybe that they are humanly imperfect.

We finally learned what happened to Shin's father. He died trying to escape from imprisonment in a long-term care facility where he was held per Grandpa Evil's command. The old coot doesn't have relationships, he has hostages. It occurs to me that Nam Jung-woo's incarceration foreshadowed Shin's refusal to let Nam Shin 3 disappear after forcing him to act against his programming.

This is my cue to recall that Chairman Nam's abusive treatment of his son, grandson, and the two orphans he assigned them as competitors and whipping boys (Seo Jong-gil and Ji Young-hoon), is the root cause of Shin's destructive behavior. In warping Jong-gil into his own image and likeness, Chairman Nam has truly created a vengeful monster. Interestingly, Young-hoon is cut of very different cloth, but is nonetheless damaged. He's a hostage, too, and is enmeshed with his charge. Gramps has also abominably treated his daughter (and traumatized her son), his daughter-in-law, and future granddaughter-in-law. The man is truly a fount of equal-opportunity misanthropy.

As @cloggie so aptly points out in http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/08/are-you-human-too-episodes-29-30/#comment-3281552, Shin has engaged in physically violent behavior from the very beginning (punching bodyguard So-bong at the airport, and harming himself on numerous occasions). Then there's the verbal and mental abuse he dishes out whenever he feels like it. His hatred of NS3 makes him appear downright rabid.

Young-hoon was recruited to be a professional enabler, and he has done an admirable job of riding herd on a headstrong, if frustrated, rebel. Now that Shin has gone off the deep end, it may be that the only way to rein him back in is to practice detachment with love and get the heck out of Dodge City. Subjecting himself to his charge's emotional volatility is not doing his own mental health any good. Removing himself from Shin's sphere (after freeing NS3 from his namesake's control) until he starts acting like a decent human being – or honorable robot! – might just be the consequence that gives Shin incentive to clean up his act. Young-hoon has never been free to vote with his feet, and it's high time he did so. Standing aside to allow Shin to face the consequences of his actions without anyone rescuing him will be a tall order, but it is ultimately in Shin's best interest. Young-hoon will have to tell him explicitly why he is leaving, so that Shin knows precisely how his behavior has alienated his friend. Otherwise it's merely one more instance of counterproductive abandonment.

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I just had to say what I felt about this show. I agree with Lollypip's review to some extent and the writer is really doing a great job at creating such a brilliant arena where humans and their greeds, desires, insecurities have been exposed and mapped in quite a realistic manner. But the last two episodes have been extra stressful and tiresome. Cause it seems like there has been an attempt to prove that humans are worse than robots. Although I do see that shin has been applying some really pathetic tricks so far in using nam shin III like an object and turning him on and off in a cruel manner, there hasn't been any attempt made in understanding why he's behaving this way. I know it's easy to judge and we do that quite a lot, but it's also important to see where shin is coming from. He has been trapped in a household he didn't want to be a part of and has been abandoned and threatened by grandpa to never leave the home or else his mom's life would be at risk. To live all his life that way and then to see that his mom made his replica to make her life less miserable, it must have shocked him to the core. So I am not totally writing him off at this stage.
Just sadly, I wish this drama was a bit longer, cause so far we only saw robot nam shin's story. It would have been more compelling if half of the story was about human nam shin too lol. If I also dare to say that to be honest, I was more intrigued by original nam shin, cause let's admit it, humans are capable of having more complex emotions, than robots, per se. So as much as I love robonam shin, he's not multidimensional, as human nam shin, and it was kind of wonderful to see all those negative and positive emotions that motivate him, drive him. Like Lollypip I also don't understand why there is this need to omit one of these boys and it seems like the writer has been trying to put nam shin III as nam shin's archenemy but shouldn't this battle rather be between nam shin and his grandpa? Who 'is' after all the master planner of all these evil mind games?
To me it seemed like nam shin should not be all that low, the boy who at the age of 8 had the maturity to perceive that to save his mom he must lie to her, I feel that he can't be that inhuman who would try to destroy nam shin III at all cost. He should have more heart and should actually see that there is more sincerity in the acts of these people who are trying to save him. The things that have been done by his character, to me it seems like it's not in his character tbh. Somehow the projection of his character has been wholly negative and this is where the writer focused from the start, without giving any explanation why. He has been made the usual villain, without any need to explain his actions.

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But So Bong is a human, and she's doing amazing! I don't think Orishin is the end-all be-all statement for humanity here.

I have a ton of sympathy for Orishin--maybe more than I should, given how much he's hurt others from the first scene we saw him in--and he's been through a heartbreaking amount, but everyone else is damaged too and the people who love him are trying to understand him. (Imperfectly, but Young Hoon certainly tried in the scene NS was throwing away his clothes.) 'Are You Human Too?'--inherent in the question, are others people like us, deserving of understanding and good treatment? It's great to try and understand all these people--NS, but also Ro Ra and Ye Na and So Bong, who've all received a lot of flak for imperfect behaviour. NS has to try and understand other people, as well as them understanding him.

That said, I do think NS 3 is just as multidimensional and interesting as a human, and they're doing a lot of fascinating and heartbreaking things with his story, so there's that! I have no species loyalty though apparently, I just like characters. ;)

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I do agree that so bong has been quite gracious towards nam shin III, but there's that. My pet peeve is it's just nam shin III, the robot, around whom she's so lovely and kind. Again, a robot-friendly concept is what this drama veering towards, that's what I felt. This brings me back to my original complain, the show kind of has this main concept, as projecting nam shin as the perfect kind of human-robot, and shin the human has been doing every kind of wrong, but it doesn't go beyond that. We have seen up to this penultimate episode that shin has been doing all kind of extreme things but nothing has been done to make amends. Mom should have had a heartfelt conversation with shin so he is not mad at her anymore. If his injury was taken care of, I think all these things would never happen in the first place.
And the writer has already mapped the story as, nam shin III, the good one, and human shin the bad one, and the story has been progressed around that all these time. I don't know if I'm conveying my point across lol.
About the multidimensional, tbh, his limits become apparent to me at this point that, he can't feel anything. We do know that he understands that humans have feelings but he can't personally take part in loving someone. How can that work? This drama reminds me of beauty inside, where the girl's character was almost sick because the person she loved kept changing and it was hard for her at some point to relate to that person, it seemed like it was only her who was committed to that relationship. At least that's what I got. Same way, here, as much as so bong loves nam shin III, he would never be able to reciprocate in the same way, tbh. Also as much as I hated human shin for manually controlling nam shin III, but this also raises the question that in hands of evil people even good robots like nam shin can be treated as puppets. This also kind of proves that the relationship between humans and robots won't work, in the long run, romantically.
So this reason I was okay with the story so far, it works as long as we see it as a fantasy drama. But in a realistic context, it falls short of the extent it's trying to take us to. It is even hard to keep loving a human, so in case of a robot it would be a harder trial, that's what I feel. But lol I guess I am taking this drama too seriously which I should not haha. Like I said it works perfectly if we see it as a fantasy drama. But yeah, the drama does raise a lot of questions, like it did to me, so in that regard, it is indeed a great show, excluding its limitations.

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'Mom should have had a heartfelt conversation with shin so he is not mad at her anymore.'

Ro Ra has tried several times to have heartfelt conversations with him--she can't magically make him not angry. She's emotionally involved and traumatised too, so I don't think she's reaching out in a perfect way, but all the characters get to be imperfect: Ro Ra and NS as well. The fact both their emotions are running so high makes it hard for them to communicate.

I disagree on the feelings issue: I think NS 3 clearly can feel things. Why else does he imagine someone when he's all alone, imagine touching them, and end up touching the gift (the heart) they gave him? Even if it's not romantic love (and I think it is pretty close) it's something. Why ask to go home, earlier in the show, and mind about being honest with people, and having someone see you for yourself? Those are all feelings. And he can't be treated like a puppet--he overrode the attempt to manipulate him, while human NS is still letting himself be manipulated by JG. Of course, it's complicated--having a manual mode is an alarming thing for NS3 and others, NS3 and others have doubts about what he is feeling or can feel. I do like that the show (whose very title is a question) is getting us all to discuss these questions.

I think a lot of stories are about loving someone even when it's really hard and there are a lot of obstacles in the way. I want that kind of love for NS 3, and for NS as well (uh, not from So Bong, just love generally).

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"in the process belittling humans in a general sense."

I don't think the writers are belittling human, rather, I think the writers are saying that humans can rely on robots as their savior. It's like the Medicar - its sole function is to help its driver whenever the driver is an emergency. Plus when you look at NS3 as himself - the AI robot that he is, he has done that - save others from their own destruction: prevented YH from wanting monetary gains, created a morally conscious SB, allowed Grandpa to be weak, let Ro Ra love...

I believe saving NS will only be possible when NS3 is himself an AI robot and not acting like NS...

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I agree that has been one of the purposes. But there is not one redeeming soul here other than so bong. The way they have made nam shin III more human than any other humans in this show and the way none of them have been using their brain/rationales for taking care of situations, this gave me the notion that they are trying to say humans are not capable of being great, but a robot is. Which I have no problem with, but what I'm trying to say is that a human being is also fit to acquire all the ideal characteristics nam shin III has, in fact like some stated above, if not being forced by grandpa to stay behind, nam shin could have been that person.
'I believe saving NS will only be possible when NS3 is himself an AI robot and not acting like NS...'--- I have no idea honestly how this is going to end haha. But hoping the writer will surprise us with the perfect most ending possible. :)

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So Bong, her dad, Robocop, Joint, Young Hoon, Ye-Na, David, Jung Woo, Hee Dong...all of these characters keep trying in different ways to be better and/or to help OriShinal be better (in their own ways) and I kinda like 'em all! They are great, just in a different way.
OriShinal's reactions and ultimatums towards (most of) them makes them look bad.

I disagree that OriShinal would have acquired ideal characteristics like Shinnamon. One of his endearing qualities is his overcoming internal manipulation - when he was 'hacked' into Manual Mode. Yep, you could argue OriShinal could have done the same if raised by RoRa, but RoRa was an antagonistic cause of this towards Shinnamon earlier and he stood up to her, threats or no threats and to OriShinal later when he threatened So Bong.

From childhood up to adulthood, OriShinal has been unable to do this, fuelled by fear and uncertainty and as a result, ends up being manipulated by various sources.

I don't think Shinnamon is perfect or even ideal but, compared to our taciturn, violent and manipulative Human Alternative, he's far more palatable to me as a companion (and hero?)

You don't have to be a robot to be kind to your nephew.
You don't have to be a robot to be considerate to your working team.
You don't have to be a robot to see violence as something to be feared as opposed to your first resort!
It's nothing to do with whether the character is human or robot in my mind - it's more to do with how they're 'wired' or 'programmed'.

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'I disagree that OriShinal would have acquired ideal characteristics like Shinnamon. One of his endearing qualities is his overcoming internal manipulation - when he was 'hacked' into Manual Mode.'
The reason I have not been able to buy this is again it seems unrealistic to me that a robot could have this level of ability to ignore the instruction he was programmed to follow. But even if he succeeds, again, it is a machine after all, isn't it? I'm sorry to say it this way, but like I said, this could work if we see it as a fantasy, but in terms of real life, it seems improbable. Like if he was something like a bicentennial man, maybe yes. But if these territories are acceptable to you, I think I have nothing to say in that case. :)

I am not justifying human nam shin's activities at all, but all his jealous heinous behavior is the product of all the sufferings, injustice, and helpless situations he has been in for all his life, IMO. And the writer kind of only gave us too many background information without showing how to solve this. And that makes us madder at nam shin.

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Hm...I guess I was bit unclear.

Personally, I think NS3 was able to save others around him because he only MIRRORed back to them a part of themselves they HID inside. It wasn't because NS3 was a "better" person or that he was great, it was precisely because he wasn't a person to begin. His "lack of emotions" enable him to bounce their feelings back at them and made them reflect. So to me, they all redeemed themselves because they saw the flaws that they had and accepted it. It wasn't necessarily NS3 saving them from themselves, but rather, it was them being the agent of their own change, revival and survival which was only possible thru NS3's mirroring.

And again, this mirroring is what NS3 does when he can't jump off the roof to NS - he tells NS that he's feeling helpless which is a reflection of NS himself.

Again, it just shows that NS3 is just a tool and nothing more. And I believe the writers are saying that humans created this tool - this AI robot to help humans' emotional well being and that it is okay to rely on it. It's okay to live in codependency with robots who's purpose is to help humans.

For how else would we accept So Bong's relationship with NS3 if we don't change our perception of robots?

Is what I think the writers is saying...

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@janjan18 Ah I think I get your point better now. I think this is really a great way of explaining the pov of both AI and how he has been influencing the humans in the show. I do see that he has been able to make the people around him reflect. Apart from this 'For how else would we accept So Bong's relationship with NS3 if we don't change our perception of robots?', I think I understand what you're trying to say.

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@fay17

I'm glad you understood what I was trying to say. Also I guess I forgot to add in some clarifications here too lol

"For how else would we accept So Bong's relationship with NS3 if we don't change our perception of OUR RELATIONSHIP TO robots?"

Hopefully that made more sense?

Anyways, we'll see what the writers have in store next week...I dont know how to feel...

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@fay17 I agree with you. I was very disappointed in the last two episodes which made Nam Shin totally evil instead of at least having two sides to him, some acts of kindness or something. A totally evil villain is something in American television, which is why I switched to kdrama's more human traits of both good and bad, or just plain human. For robot Nam Shin III to be human he needs to not be the perfect hero and have a few faults just as real people do.

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Ah thank you this. I have the same thoughts. Nam Shin has done lots of horrible things, but he's more interesting and much more multidimensional to me than the robot. I think I wouldn't have cared for him if he were just the second lead human or the villain (both without a robot version) in a robot romance story. But in my experience of watching or reading robot stories, this is my first time to see a robot clone be the lead while the original human is not. As said in the next episode, that robot clone has some of the characteristics of the original human too. It's a great conflict to have the original human undergo an identity crisis over the existence of his robot clone (in addition to the conflict from his past trauma). But now, he's turned into the villain, which just...makes me uncomfortable. It's hard to watch the robot be all good (who for me, has been programmed to be good) and the original human (who had no choice in the creation of his robot version) be completely bad. I get that the show is trying to say that someone who is not human can be considered human and be even more human than the actual human. But that just doesn't sit well with me especially since this is scifi and not fantasy. I don't like the thought of a machine, though highly intelligent and more compassionate and kind, being considered better and valued more than actual breathing humans with blood, flesh, and bones.

I desperately want Nam Shin's redemption if only to show that superior machines haven't replaced humans. But I'm afraid 2 episodes won't be enough. I'm sorry for rambling. I think I'm just not ready with the thought of having AI overlords lol.

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This. I think you have written with much more clarity all those things that I haven't been able to express.

It's a great conflict to have the original human undergo an identity crisis over the existence of his robot clone (in addition to the conflict from his past trauma). But now, he's turned into the villain, which just...makes me uncomfortable. It's hard to watch the robot be all good (who for me, has been programmed to be good) and the original human (who had no choice in the creation of his robot version) be completely bad.
I desperately want Nam Shin's redemption if only to show that superior machines haven't replaced humans.

That's the thing. As much adorable as Nam Shin III is, he is in fact programmed to be this way. This also reminds me why I wasn't amused by the fact that google's Alpha Go defeated world's top go player. Up till now I watched this show just for pure entertainment and refused to confront these questions, [although they kept coming in the back of my mind], but a robot, at the end, is still a creation of human, without soul and mind, so despite their advancement and success at emoting akin to humans, it would still not be able to beat humans at least in terms of anything metaphysical. It would never have a soul. So I do love nam shin III and have clapped for him for his integrity, for buying a robot toy for the cousin kid, [although at these points the question comes to mind whether humans would ever be able to create something which would have compassion, so that's why this show works as a fantasy only], for hugging people whenever they needed comfort. But when the show ventured on a romantic relationship between so bong and nam shin, it just fell flat to me. I couldn't see how so bong can be in this relationship successfully.
Like you said, I don't like the idea of superior machines replacing humans haha. But even apart from that I wish the writer gives us shin's redemption...because it 'is' programmed in humans that they can outdo themselves and come out a better person despite the hard times they have to go through. That could be some positivity that would be inspirational for humans like us as well lol.

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True, I will love it if we get 20+ episode instead. I wish the second half of drama is all about him and the writers make his story longer. I just love damage souls character story when done right, and with an identity crisis conflict at the mix. Oh the potential.

I think the writers intention is, At times, we care so much about justifying our action based on our emotion (NS) without rational the situation (NS3). If only we get rid all of the useless think like pride, ego, feel of betrayal, jealousy, etc, might be, the world will be less complicate. Human NS will be reunite with his mother from the moment he woke up from a coma. But he can't ignore those feeling of betrayal and imagining his mom is smiling all this time with NS3 and forget about him who is suffering, and he can't forgive that. If only NS can make sense his mother action like NS3 try to make sense his mom care more about human SHin than him when Human SHin is in a coma.

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I think it's really interesting to compare the reaction of SKJ's human character in this show to Jang Keun-suk's characters in Switch. The initial premise is almost identical: there's a hit that doesn't quite work and someone's injury has to be concealed and their work continue uninterrupted; in steps a double. In that case the injured party was a good person without a lot of trauma while the double was ... well, shady but with a good heart. And they ... COOPERATED. Right now Shuman is such a piece of crap he's making his grandpa - who has ordered hits on people and imprisoned his son (which lead to his accidental death) look "not QUITE so bad." If he'd actually killed some people using remote control Shinnamon Roll, he'd definitely have stolen the top villain crown.

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It’s not just that NS3 exists that bothers Nam Shin, it’s that NS3 is what he could have been. NS3 gets the baggage, but he doesn’t let it define him. He recognizes the people around him, and appreciates them. These aren’t traits exclusive to AI. Nam Shin could have looked to Young Hoon as a person to whom he could be himself, completely. He could have looked to Ye Na, or protected and nurtured his cousin the way he wasn’t. But he refused to. He had a choice, and he chose and continues choosing to be a spiteful, violent, being.

Self-determinism is a defining trait of what it means to be human. When NS3 had that stripped from him, and recognized the lack of it, I think a kind of fatalism entered his coding. He’ll never be human, because he’ll never have the choice to live or die.

So Bong is, hands down, frigging 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾. That punch? The promise (not a threat, bih). She is ride or die, and I am here for it.

I don’t think the show believes the world is too small for both Nam Shin and NS3 to live. They are just following human reactions to AI, in its various expressions, Nam Shin and So Bong representing the extremes of that reaction spectrum.

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Simply hoping human Shin comes back to his senses & we get a happy ending.
This was too stressful. *Grabs heart*

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I'll wait to see how next week goes, but as of now I'm not sure that Nam Shim deserves to get any type of happy ending as he just tried to commit intentional homicide (and doesn't feel any remorse for his actions). Perhaps after he spends 10 years in jail, I'll feel different (or perhaps next week will give me a reason to support a wannabee murderer). Would have preferred that his efforts be focused on just destroying the company not killing folks.

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This week...directors and screenwriters kept playing with my feelings! Well here are some stuff I noticed:

1) Pain as a form of connection/empathy: I think NS hurts other because he seeks empathy. In some ways, he wants NS3 to understand his pain and suffering. NS3 is "fake" for that reason - inability to truly understand NS. NS3 comes close to empathizing NS after "killing" SB and Gramps. I think NS will stop his monstrous ways once someone "connects" to him emotionally.
2) Individuals as their own judge: NS knows his actions are bad. Gramps knows his actions are bad. Seo Jong-Gil knows his actions are bad. Why do they do it still? Because they justify it with their desires. Are desires really bad...?
3) Humans as monsters: When you desire too much, does it make you a monster? NS desires empathy so he continues to hurt himself and others. Gramps desires keeping his company at the top so he manipulates and threatens. Jong-Gil desires the Chairman position so he kills and lies. Are they truly monsters?
3) Tears as salvation: I saw this in last week's episode. Can't help but continue to see this as more foreshadowing. Will NS3 be the one to comfort NS' tears...if that is, NS has any more tears left in him?
4) Notion of free will: How much free will is yours when you're trapped/helpless? Are you still you even if others control you? Writers seems to say that your feelings determines your will.
5) Metaphor of Toy: NS3 is a toy in this episode and this notion of taking and stealing continues. Can the humans in this show learn to share, compare, and negotiate with each other in terms of how they feel and think about certain things/one another?
6) Revelation of Truths: NS has decieved himself too long. YH, Gramps, Jong-Gil, Ro Ra, David..everyone has decieved themselves but it seems that NS3 was able to reveal the truths to them. Will he do that with NS3?
7) Glimmering of Hope: NS' momentary softness: not killing NS3 and reflecting upon that scene, gives me hopes that NS still clings onto humanity....

And with that note, I am just hoping for an ending that answers the question, "Are you Human too?"

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Great post! Although I would say that jong il is some different kind of species. You see even criminals break down when they have no way to escape except surrendering so, him crying because of his daughter or fear of being exposed has made him shed tears but this doesn't make any difference to how evil a person he is. Every person has a conscience, some use it and some don't. Some admit their wrongdoing but then it's too late to redeem themselves.. for example people like jong il. Same goes for grandpa I think. At times I thought he has more humanity but ultimately it seems like his greeds win over his love for anyone and like young hoon said, he doesn't even trust his own flesh and blood so it's really unfortunate.

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I agree that Jong-Gil is a different kind of species and I'm hoping that NS doesn't go that route. I feel like NS just wants Jong-Gil to kill him off cuz NS feels like he's far past redemption, however, I find that cowardly. He should repent instead of die! Dying would be too easy of an answer for NS...:-/

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It only just occurred to me from your comment that NS could actually end up committing suicide.

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I want a happy ending! T_T

I'm hoping for one, dang it. The writers better give me one given the emotional roller coaster ride they put me thru...they can't be as sadistic and masochist as NS right? XD

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my heart, my heart my heart my heart :( i almost gave up on the drama partway because i couldn't stand what homosapien Shin was doing to our poor Roboshin. i refuse to call the former 'human' because, well, as the show's title so rightly questions - 'Are You Human?'. The answer is pretty much NO.

also, Are You Human Too? filming locations - ep 15 (29/30)

- Overpass Itaewon-dong: seeing So-bong as an 'error' (http://bit.ly/kdl-overpassitaewon)
- Jochiwon Boxing Gym: Champion gym (http://bit.ly/KDL-boxinggym)
- Meet You All Tower (rooftop): the confrontation

More Are You Human Too? locations on koreandramaland.com :)
(http://bit.ly/kdl-areyouhuman)

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Thanks! I've been looking in particular for those places where RoboShin biked with Sobong. I've now found them thanks to this.

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glad to be of help! we'll be getting more locations up soon, along with an overview :)

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It just dawned on me the real reason I'm having trouble with this show lately: human Nam Shin is too evil and robot Nam Shin is too good. They are extreme examples of what humans really are made of.

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Shin is indeed evil, but not without vulnerability, and Shinbobut, whilst good, is not without limitations. They may both be on the opposite end of the spectrum, but neither are without weaknesses. The overall characterisations may definitely fall outside the realm of reality, but what they each represent (both thematically and symbolically) is where I find show to be embedded in realism.

It's the classic example of Cain and Abel - whilst both Shins made sacrifices at different stages of their life, one became embroiled in jealousy and hate while the other fell victim to it. Yikes, I use that as a loose analogy only, I certainly wouldn't want show to take it that far in their resolving of the conflict!

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"whilst both Shins made sacrifices at different stages of their life, one became embroiled in jealousy and hate while the other fell victim to it."

Nurture over nature? Roboshin had years with his loving mother & entered OriShinal's environment as an 'adult' whereas OriShinal was a mere child when he was cruelly snatched away from her and he's been brought up in this toxic environment.

*If* one accepts that RoboShin has developed his own feelings & is not always acting on a program, then the drama is ultimately advocating nurture over nature (in addition to possible Robo Rights).

*Am just speaking off the top of Mt head. Your comment was interesting. Have not seen upto this episode*

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"Nurture over nature? Roboshin had years with his loving mother & entered OriShinal's environment"

For sure, I definitely see that as being one of the core aspects of the show. It's an interesting debate, because whilst both Shins have childhood memories of being loved & cared for, Orishin's detachment stems from years of neglect and isolation, whereas Shinbot had Laura & David guiding him every step of the way.

I do wonder how much of an impact their nurturing has on the choices they make as adults, though - arguably, both Shins have a knack for breaking the rules and both want to break free from societal constraints; neither are really bound by their nurtured state if you think about it. Rather than letting environmental factors determine their fate, I think Show does well to put equal emphasis on the choices one makes as free individuals, which makes us directly responsible for our own actions.

What's ironic is that Orishin, who has complete free will, allows himself to be controlled by external agencies, using it as an excuse for his own bad decisions, whether it's in the workplace, at home, or his general attitude towards life. Shinrobot however, even in his helpless state, fights to regain what little control he has over his life, in an action which closely resembles free will, and shows signs of wanting to take responsibility for his own actions.

Nurture being a learned state is a process Shinrobot is programmed to adhere too; But for Shin, it's an opportunity to learn from his mistakes and turn over a new leaf if he so wishes.

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I think Human Shin is not completely bad. Trying to commit a murder is his last crossing the line, But He is not a serial killer who doesn't have conscience yet. Heck, In this episode alone, we get the glimpse of the writers try to humanized him. From showing his past try to defend YH, which indicate he is enable to showing care to people he cherish (Though in a wrong way), Or he is preventing NS3 from Jumping (he is geniunely scare and didn't expect NS3 will reach to that decision), after that, Nam Shin is becoming soft again. But when he is starting to sign change of heart, someone is trying to provoke him he is back to his revenge again (From YH threatening him and SJG provoke). I think he is just someone who only know how to respond the bad side of human, and trying to ignore the good side in them.

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I always come at this website to save hd screencaps of my fave drama. But Ive always wondered.. where do you get all these HD PHOTOS / SCs? I want to knowwwwwwwww ;_; , i want to download the video with that QUALITY.

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