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The Third Charm: Episode 12

From Joon-young’s uplifting story, we move on to Young-jae’s heart-rending one. She’s gone through so much trauma growing up and in the past few years, but knowing her personality, she’s been hoarding it all inside. With no one to share it with and no place to vent, her life is looking awfully bleak. And to make things worse, fate continues to tear at her open wounds.

 
EPISODE 12 RECAP

Joon-young keeps it professional as he serves his surprise guests, Young-jae and Ho-chul. Young-jae asks if he wants to sit down and join them, but he’d prefer to leave them alone as they eat their dessert.

Joon-young waits in a nearby park, still trying to gather his thoughts and emotions. Back in the restaurant, Young-jae and Ho-chul are just as stunned to have met Joon-young again. Ho-chul tries the egg tarts and comments that they taste even better than the ones she used to love.

Young-jae isn’t listening, though. Or, more specifically, it’s like she isn’t really there. She’s alarmingly quiet and subdued as Ho-chul makes conversation about the time she met his mother.

Ho-chul struggles to maintain his smile as he remembers everything he did just to win her love. He wonders how he could’ve been that persistent. “It doesn’t feel like it’s been that long,” Young-jae says wistfully, “but it also feels like a lot of time has passed.”

At home, Se-eun smiles at her shiny new engagement ring as she reminisces about falling for Joon-young. It was a mere crush at first, but she realized just how much she liked him when she found his desk empty at work.

Se-eun’s eyes fill with happy tears remembering Joon-young’s proposal and his apology for asking so late. She then calls her mom and excitedly announces that she’s getting married.

Joon-young returns to the restaurant when Young-jae and Ho-chul get ready to leave. They thank him for the meal, and Young-jae adds that being a chef suits him. There’s an awkward silence until she reminds Ho-chul that he’s going to be late. They say their goodbyes and head off, though Joon-young stops and turns back. As he watches the couple walk away, he slowly smiles and nods to himself with acceptance.

The couple walk to an apartment complex, the air still somewhat awkward. Ho-chul asks if Young-jae is okay living here all alone, but she doesn’t answer; she just tells him that he’s going to miss his flight.

He’s reluctant to leave, but seeing that she won’t budge, he gives her another sad smile and complies. She heads up to her apartment, and we see that it is mostly empty, save for a few boxes and a TV.

Sliding down to the floor, Young-jae remembers the rest of her conversation with Ho-chul, when he’d noted that tonight was their last meal together. He said that he was sorry but also grateful, making her look up for the first time. “It was difficult for the both of us,” she told him.

Young-jae finds her fridge empty, so she goes out to buy some beer. Walking back, she comes across an orange cat and kneels down to get a better look.

She narrates that divorce is difficult but easy at the same time. It’s been difficult doing things on her own, but she thinks that that will become easy too. All she can do is wait until her everyday life starts getting tedious.

Back in her apartment, she watches the TV in the dark, a pained smile on her face. Jesus, I’m afraid to find out what happened.

The next day, Young-jae visits Joo-ran’s salon and gets a warm welcome from all her former students. When she and Joo-ran lock eyes, they’re both teary and go in for a tight hug.

Joo-ran then points out their old student Noo-ri, who’d had a hard time as a beginner hair stylist. Now, she’s even stricter than Young-jae as she reprimands her own student.

However, Noo-ri is her old bubbly self the second she sees Young-jae. She sits Young-jae down and gets emotional, thinking she really must’ve made it if she gets to style her teacher’s hair.

Soo-jae is busy trying to cast the lead role for his next big project, and he’s strongly opposed to the young top star MJ taking on such a tough character. MJ begs Soo-jae for the part, having loved his debut film, but Soo-jae merely says that MJ is too naïve and drives off on his new scooter. Badass.

He joins Joo-ran and Young-jae at their old apartment, where he apparently lives alone now. He’s delighted to see his sister again and laughs when she mentions that he hasn’t changed at all. He throws Joo-ran under the bus, saying that her desperate dating attempts haven’t changed either. Young-jae smiles as Soo-jae and Joo-ran start bickering like an old married couple.

Se-eun joins Joon-young’s family in making marmalade, loving their enthusiasm for the engagement. Ri-won, however, thinks that the marriage is a bit risky considering that Se-eun and Joon-young’s relationship was mostly long-distance. Dad says that he has it covered; he told Se-eun all there is to know about Joon-young with baby photos and old report cards, ha.

Naturally, all this marriage talk gets Sang-hyun riled up. When he and Ri-won return to his apartment, he asks for the thousandth time when they’re going to get married. Ri-won starts talking in metaphors again, eventually agreeing to a civil marriage registration if it’ll get him to shut up.

But Sang-hyun doesn’t want to do it that way; he wants to wear a fancy tux to a big wedding service, where he can shout to the heavens that Ri-won is finally his. She rolls her eyes at that and walks out, leaving Sang-hyun frustrated yet again.

Joon-young walks Se-eun out to her car, and Se-eun admits that she would’ve gone crazy if he hadn’t proposed this year. But since she tends to keep everything to herself, she couldn’t say anything. Joon-young jokes that she had no trouble at all proclaiming her love for him at the airport, making them laugh.

After saying goodbye to Se-eun, Joon-young joins Dad outside to admire their persimmon tree. Dad says that they planted the tree when Joon-young was born and that it’s unbelievable how much time has passed since then. Despite his initial worries, he’s proud of both Joon-young and Ri-won for leading good lives with good partners.

Meanwhile, Joo-ran is already passed out drunk, while Soo-jae and Young-jae are sitting at their spot by the window. Having seen an article about Joon-young’s restaurant, Soo-jae vaguely says that a friend he often worried about is living very well these days.

“That makes me happy,” Soo-jae says with a smile. Young-jae blankly replies that she’s jealous of whoever this friend is.

Soo-jae quotes the film Forrest Gump, saying that life is like a box of chocolates. Since we never know what we’ll get in life, he says that it’s better that we don’t regret the choices we’ve made.

Young-jae doesn’t really react, so Soo-jae skips the film metaphors and says that it’s about time he help her out financially since she once did it for him. She appreciates him and Joo-ran, but she doesn’t want them to do that. At least, not yet.

Young-jae then asks Soo-jae if he’d ever date Joo-ran, and though he finds her charming and cute, he’s comfortable with the way things are now. Joo-ran starts talking in her sleep, and they turn and smile at her as she curses Soo-jae for not marrying her.

The next day, Young-jae is back in her small apartment. When she realizes that she doesn’t have any chopsticks for her cup ramen, she goes to the grocery store to pick some up, along with more junk food.

She exits the store and is shocked to witness a car nearly hitting a little boy. The sight triggers a memory—people crowding around a car, a distraught Young-jae dropping a cake, and an orange stuffed cat strewn on the ground. No. No way.

Young-jae immediately goes to the boy’s aid, and the owners of the car only step out to yell that the boy could’ve ruined the car. The owners start to drive away, but Young-jae furiously throws a drink at their bumper and makes them stop.

Next thing we know, Young-jae and the couple whose car got “ruined” are in the police station. The couple complain that Young-jae had no reason to be angry since she wasn’t the boy’s mother, and they wish to press charges.

Luckily, Officer Jung is there, and after recognizing Young-jae, he calls Joon-young to help her out. Joon-young is more than willing to come—Young-jae is no stranger, and it gives him the excuse to see Jung again.

After the couple finally agree to settle, they leave the station in a huff. Young-jae comes out right behind them, which gives Officer Jung his cue to leave the ex-lovers alone. Young-jae looks at Joon-young, embarrassed, and notes that they’re always seeing each other at the station. Instead of answering, he just offers to carry one of her shopping bags.

As they’re walking, Young-jae vents about the couple and how unacceptable it was for them to care more for a car than a person. Joon-young agrees, though he points out that not everyone has their mindset. He thought she’d seemed more mature when they met back in his restaurant, but now he sees that she hasn’t changed much.

He then notices all the junk food in her bag and asks what her husband would say, which is when the bag tears apart. They bend down to pick up the contents, staying silent until Young-jae states, “I got divorced.”

Her words make him freeze, though he snaps out of it to find a plastic bag. Once they gather everything, Joon-young says that she should eat a proper meal.

Elsewhere, Joo-ran cheers Soo-jae on as he participates in a wheelchair basketball game. Afterwards, she reveals that she might have menopause already. Since it has her feeling down, Soo-jae gives her a refreshing ride on his scooter.

Joon-young takes Young-jae to his restaurant and whips up a fancy meal just for her. He tells her that it was the main dish at the restaurant he used to work at, La Quincy. She looks up at that, asking if the restaurant was in Lisbon, Portugal.

She says that she used to live in Portugal too, in an area that Joon-young actually frequented. (Wow, that’s some powerful fate, even for a K-drama.) “How is it that we never ran into each other?” she wonders.

Fascinated by the coincidence, Joon-young asks if she ever went to a certain bakery; he’d learned how to make egg tarts there. At the mention of the bakery, Young-jae’s eyes glaze over, and she falls into another memory.

We see that Young-jae had walked by that bakery while holding her young daughter’s hand. Unbeknownst to her, she’d passed Joon-young on the street. Sometime later, she and Ho-chul had returned to their home, looking emotionally drained.

Ho-chul had smiled and promised to come back before giving her a half-hearted hug. She had been totally unresponsive, while he had trouble holding his tears back. When he left, she’d lain in bed all day, staring at her empty hand and crying.

In the present, Young-jae changes the subject and asks why Joon-young decided to become a chef. He explains that he’d been lonely and upset while in Portugal, but when he found the one-table restaurant and tried the food, he realized something.

“Food doesn’t just fill us up,” he says. “It can also warm our hearts and bring us solace.” He asks what she did while living in Portugal, and she only remembers drinking heavily and fighting with Ho-chul about it. She lies, however, that nothing much happened and that she did everything she wanted to do.

She’s curious if Joon-young has any plans of getting married, and he responds that he does. She congratulates him and he thanks her, both smiling sweetly, though their eyes are glistening with a tinge of sadness. The door then chimes and they turn to see a surprised Se-eun.

 
COMMENTS

You guys, this drama is legitimately driving me crazy; I don’t understand how the writer keeps finding new ways to wring my heart. And Esom’s raw yet nuanced performance only makes it worse (or better, depending on how you look at it). It’s sad because it seems like Young-jae was genuinely happy with her little family in Portugal. Maybe things weren’t perfect or how she’d initially envisioned them, but it was a happy life nonetheless. Then life had to kick her down once again by taking her daughter away from her.

This is clearly too much for one person to handle. Young-jae lost both her parents at a young age. Her big brother/caretaker got into a terrible accident, making her the caretaker. The most passionate relationship she’d ever been in had fallen apart. And now this? Yeah, forget her reunion with Joon-young for a minute because she doesn’t need a boyfriend, she needs a therapist. I think Young-jae was showing signs of depression after Soo-jae’s incident, which could’ve played a part in her and Joon-young’s breakup, and those signs are more prominent now. This is a severely broken and damaged woman, and she needs some serious help.

I really wish the drama would explore this part of Young-jae, and it definitely could considering how realistic its characters and situations already are. (Though I fear that the topic of mental illness is still taboo.) Even if she doesn’t get professional help, she could still find something or someone to bring her solace, just as the culinary arts did for Joon-young. If that “someone” turns out to be Joon-young, I wouldn’t be opposed to it. From that last conversation in the restaurant, it’s clear that there’s still something between them. It’s not that there’s romantic interest there; it’s more like they care for each other and know each other in ways that their family and friends don’t.

Even so, Young-jae has always had trouble opening up to him. And the reason why it’s been so frustrating throughout the entire show is because Joon-young would be the perfect person for her to confide in. They took different roads in life and came out as different people, so it’s understandable that she lied about whatever happened in Portugal, but she can’t lie forever. She’s waiting for her life to be tedious when really she could be working towards a different kind of happiness. It looks like Ho-chul wasn’t able to provide it, and Joon-young is busy working on his own happiness. So while she’ll certainly need some help, the rebuilding of her life starts with her.

This episode didn’t change how I feel about Ho-chul being Young-jae’s (ex-)husband. His constant intrusion into Young-jae and Joon-young’s relationship was unacceptable from the beginning, and I think it was a bad decision on Young-jae’s part to pursue a relationship with him. I’m sure that their many similarities created a comfortable bond and eventually, a comfortable marriage, but it wasn’t strong enough in the long run. Either way, any marriage would be strained by the loss of a child. And for that, I do feel sympathy for Ho-chil; like Young-jae said, he suffered too.

I’m not looking forward to the drama that is sure to follow Se-eun’s discovery that Young-jae is back. Se-eun is a sweet girl, but there’s a lot of insecurity there, and it could easily turn into jealousy. The Third Charm has exceeded my expectations before, though, so there could be more surprises in store. Just… enough with the surprise traumatic pasts, okay? No matter what happens, I’d prefer that these characters each get their own deserved happy ending.

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I'm only reading the excellent recaps, are they in 2018 now?

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I'm only reading the recaps too. Keep meaning to start watching again.

I just hope the child wasn't Joon-young's.

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Did Joon-young and Young-jae even have sex at all?

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Lol. I dont know. Only reading recaps and could be missing things.

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Also only reading recaps! I'm pretty sure its implied that the child is Ho-chul's. If Joon-young and Young-jae broke up in 2013, then Young-jae got married to Ho-chul, had a child, and then decided to divorce him all in only 5 years? That's too much in too little time for a single woman to handle. Young-jae really does need help for her mental health.

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Yup, it's present day. "Fake Love" played in the background at a certain point and confirmed it :P

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Thanks @sailorjumun for the recaps.
Speaking of music @fogcity (in the comments for episode 11) pointed out the use of "Moon River" which is the music playing in the opening of episode 12 where Joon-young is preparing the table. Here is Frank Sinatra singing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJgGs9WpGt0
(LOL Being an ajussi I am more "Moon River" than "Fake Love"
NTTAWWT.)

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Mee too. I drop this drama a long time ago but still read the recap
(The recap is a delight to read tbh)
So YJ get married to HC, has kid together and now divorce? And in between that, they lost their child? wow...

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Thanks @sailorjumun for the recaps which I've been waiting for since I watched this episode. I really didn't see this coming and it took me awhile before it dawned on me that Young Jae had a child. I was more upset (?) that she had settled for Ho Chul which seemed so convenient especially since she didn't have feelings for him in the first place. Speaking about comfortable marriages, it seems Joon Young is also going to make the same mistake of settling into one. As much as I see Se Eun doing no wrong and throwing her all into the relationship, I still don't think she's right for Joon Young.

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And if Jooyoung, doesn't resolve his baggage with YJ and level up his relationship with SE,he won't be much of a good match for So-Eun either.

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not gonna lie, but i was always rooting for the original couple... this is hard to digest, i can see where this drama is going to go... and now i hope joon young doesn't break up with his fiancé......

that would make him the biggest jerk of all time, even tho we all know he was never "over" young jae, he just moved on.

wait, is se eun going to be the noble idiot and set him free??

wait, did something happen to young jae's daughter? i only caught a fleeting image of the little girl... i guess i'd better go back and rewatch the last episode.

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i'm so confused, i shouldn't have typed the above before rewatching... sawry.
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I think Young-jae's daughter died in an accident.

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I’m so conflicted about this show. I like the characters a lot but I feel that the show is going to disappoint and break my heart.
I’m firmly team Young-Jae and have always been. I want her to be happy. It was tough reading the comments trashing her and now it looks like the writer doesn’t like her much too! 😢
The poor woman has been through so much! She lost her parents, her grandma, became a caretaker for her older brother and now it looks like she lot her daughter and a chance to have a good life. It’s a lot for one person to handle.
My hope for this drama is that Young-Jae has a happy ending. 🤞🏽 I’m rooting for you YoungJae.

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I've been in team Young-jae all the way. Do not agree with the cheating stuff & sucu, either. She's not perfect for sure and bears a responsibility for the break up, but so does Joon-young. In my eyes both are equally responsible but I relate more to Young-jae and do not like jealousy at all so it was difficult to stomach some of Joon-young's antics.

But hooboy, a drama where the heroine is not a bubbly candy but does actually het depressed and hardened by all the crap the öife throws at her. Yes, please!

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Yeah, all I wanted for young jae was to become successful and realise that it isn't all that it seemed to be and understand how lonely it could get and hence, open up a little and let people in. But, instead she goes from guarded to barely talking. :(

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Why does everything keep happening to Young-jae?! Girl can't catch a break! But to be honest, I can understand and relate to Young-jae more because while it seems like everyone else is prospering, she just keeps getting hit (which sounds a lot like my life). I think she is suffering from depression (who wouldn't in those circumstances?!) but she never really dealt with all the pain and trauma and just held it in. That only lasts for so long and pretty soon if she doesn't deal with it, the pain and sadness will overwhelm her. I don't know where this show is going to end up but I'm enjoying it as it breaks my heart at the same time.

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If I were Se Eun, I would be super worried that YJ is back in the picture. Also, why would she accept a proposal from someone who hasn't even met her parents yet despite dating for 4-5 years?

I think YJ was worn down by the doctor's persistent advances. Just like JY was by SE's. If someone travels all the way to another country to pursue you, you'd feel like a big jerk if you didn't at least give them a chance.

So did YJ give up her career to become a stay-at-home mother? That seems out of character. I was confused by JY's statement of "You're a housewife. You can't make your husband all these processed foods" when he saw all the ramen she bought. Or was he just making an assumption? Also, can't YJ work for her friend's salon again?

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All valid points especially on YJ. Why would they move to Lisbon? Did Ho Chul give up his practice and YJ decided to quit her dream of becoming a stylist?

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JooYoung-Se-eun
I was also surprised about how much more of a JY So-eun is turning out to be.Yes,YJ wasn't super devoted to JY s family as JY was to Soo Jae.But atleast they each had met each other's family in their 6 month(?) relationship.So-eun though,she is scaring me with how much of a giver she has been in this relationship.She is practically a member of JY s fam but hasn't even insisted that he meet her parents.Yeah he hasn't been in Korea in 5 years but it sounded like he had barely any relationship with them?
And then the girl has been preparing and serving lunch to JY EVERY day!? Jeez,she is out joo-younhing JooYoung in the devotion department.
I am not even sure if they have even talked about JY s past relationships.If my hunch is right,and she has been blissfully unaware of YJ s existence,oh boy. Really hope for their relationship to balance out soon for both of their sales.

Young Jae and Ho-chul
Sigh..this is so not what I wanted fir YJ but it's what we got. ever since JY started taking anniversary bookings last ep,I was afraid of them showing up as a couple but ..this😶.
HC pretty much admitted during the last dinner that he wore her down with the incessant pursuit.YJ would have fallen into it knowing she is settling but post JY i can see how a relationship with a person more in time with her life philosophies would have appealed to YJ. I think they went into the marriage knowing YJ's heart wasn't fully engaged but for HC the fact that she got there with him would have been victory enough.The part which is tripping me up is YJ moving to Lisbon to be with(?) HC.The YJ we know wouldn't have given up her well earned career but may be the birth of her daughter replaced any previous passions.If so,it is a even more tragic that her daughter(?) seems to have been taken away from her 😢
HC for what it's worth seem to have tried to be there for her despite his own grief and seem to have finally realized his past persistence to get YJ into a relationship was not in good taste.I am by no means his fan,and have been pretty indifferent to his happiness but the loss of a child was certainly not the dose of karma I was hoping for him.

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Re JY and Se-eun: I agree with Se-eun being 2012 JY. She's giving 80 and receiving 20, so when she realizes that, JY will be faced with the same insecurities, the same emotional turmoil, that YJ was subjected to. And I think he'll be able to see his relationship with YJ from a sharper perspective.

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mmmm, I wonder if Se Eun even knows about Yong Jae. During the marmalade making scene, Joon Yong's father said he had filled her in on Joon Yong's past, but his father continued and said that he showed her all Joon Yong's report card and photos from his childhood, his past love wasn't mentioned. And yes, strange that, in all that 4 to 5 years of her relationship with Joon Yong, she gets to know his parents well, but HE has not even met hers?

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Oh, writernim, why to pile all the S.H.I.T. on Young Jae???? 🙅 💔

Plus it seems a bit like easy writing to introduce a big tragedy... at least I'm not happy with that. I wanted YJ and JY meet for the third time as grown up mature people with reasonable happy lives who finally have understanding for each other (and can talk and listen to each other)... and who might or might not end up together...

But this, writernim, is a huge disappointment and the first episode I didn't love... but I will still hope with SailorJumun that the show will pick up again... and that Young Jae will finally find happiness, with or without Joon Young. 😘

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I am torn about the introduction of the tragedy. throughout the first half of the episode, i was worried that YJ was suffering from some terminal illness. The general shroud of malaise seemed to be from much more than a divorce,esp given Joo-Ran and Soo-Jae's strong emotional reactions during their time with her.But loosing a child(and may be piling on a sense if guilt,may be) is just too 💔.
I do agree with you about it looking like a bit of lazy writing given that with this twist, even the audience who are YJs worst critics are immediately forced to atleast feel sorry for her.I feel that takes away from the unapologetic, layered character that she has been so far and has taken away a lot of agency-from her and us,the viewers. However based on the unflinching view that the writer has shown us of real relationships so far,i am willing to hope that it would all lead somewhere worthwhile😌

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I think it would be super good if in the end youngjae finds happiness by herself like jooyoung did. She needs help, she needs to find her third charm, just like her brother did and jooyoung too.
I am not a fan of them ending together because what youngjae needs is to find herself not jooyoung. He his thriving to find his happiness, she should to for herself.

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Young-Jae is the best character I've seen in years.
The idea of "love = happiness" is so repeated and blindly revered by every.single.show, that having a character that recognizes that she is not going on her life where her lover wants to go, and breaking that relationship was WHOW!!.
It is ok to fall out of love.
It is not betrayal, to be true to your own heart.
I deeply respect how different the characters are from the usual tropes.
And also traditional masculine/femenine roles are reversed in many ways and it is very refreshing.

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Exactly! Happiness can be found in many ways. Also all love and relationships need not look the same. The writernim seems to be trying to say that with the different relationships shown in the show -JoonYong’s parents, Ri-Won and Sang-Ryul, Sae-Joo and Joo-Ran all have relationships that at least slightly veer away from the norm. Each of those relationships also have a traditionally less dominant partner being the lead (JY’s mom, Ri-Won, Soo-Jae).
YoungJae’s character is refreshing. To me she is not mean or selfish-just someone living her life as best as she can. Too bad that life’s throwing cr** at her!

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That is a wonderful observation about the way the show is playing with 'traditions'. I was always thinking that Soo Jae is holding himself back from engaging with Joo ran on a romantic level because of his disability,

but until you pointed it out, didn't realize that he is also the more secure one in their (non)relationship. it is wonderful that the show is showing a disabled man living a fulfilling life in a society where physical perfection and outer beauty is revered and demanded even in the 'regular' sphere.

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I totally agreee, it is why i was so happy they broke up. She needed to do for herself and she did for a while I hope. Sigh

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Thanks for the recap @sailorjumun I keep watching this drama every weeks and the writer-nim seems torture Young-Jae until the end, this is so sad of her. Despite that, I want Joonyoung to keep his relationship until the end. See-Un is so sweet girl, and ofc with her character, the jealousy can't ignore. She is the type of people who doesn't want look conflicted but hide many issue that can explode sometimes in the future.

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Yes, I don't think Joon-young is going to have to break up with his fiancee. The look on her face said everything. She is going to dump him before the next episode is over because she will never be sure that she's the one he loves.

So sad for Young-jae, but looking forward to her growing and healing in a way that brings her back together with Joon-young.

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[Part 1] Ugh, sometimes I wonder why I still watch this show, aside from stubbornness and enjoying SKJ's performance. What's getting to me here is that I think I've been cornered to a point where no matter how it ends, I won't enjoy it or be pleased with it.

I wanted JY and SE to stay together, but I think he's settling for her and I'm worried that she'll pull a noble idiot act by breaking up with him first. If she feels that's what's best for her, go for it love, but I still don't think that even if JY had passion and love for YJ, it doesn't mean they should be together romantically in the long run. Like Uma Thurman said, “I still love the people I've loved, even if I cross the street to avoid them.” He can love her in his own way, and always will, but I don't want to wish them on each other, and especially not now that JY is growing into his own.

I get to be that person, the debbie downer who says stuff no one would want to hear. Because YJ has had a bad time, and something truly awful happened to her, it's only natural for people to want the best possible happiness for her now. But I can't see a way ahead without some seriously terrible writing being forced down the pipeline.

Let me put it this way using two anecdotes. The first anecdote: at my brother's funeral, my nine-year-old niece said in her eulogy “I will never again be as happy as I was”. The second anecdote: my uncle lost his little boy before he even turned 1. My uncle had already lived through some bad stuff, and was worn down and jaded. But that death finished him. He was deeply depressed, no matter how much love and light surrounded him, and he drank himself to an early death.

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[Part 2] It's easy to take a quixotic and hopeful approach to this and think that reigniting a love with a good person would 'heal' her, and that they could make it work this time. I don't believe it though. Grief like that is like a roommate who permanently moves into your house. You can either suffer their presence or shake their hand and learn to live with them, but they're always there. Grief is splinters in your fingers all the time. And losing a child is a particularly terrible form. My uncle is dead. My parents, who lost my brother several years ago, barely get by and they only make the effort to get out of bed each day for the rest of us. They light candles every day and pretend that they don't cry at night.

With that being said: with all the melodrama, the clash of personalities, the inequality...would getting back together again be a good idea, after JY has had the chance to improve and YJ has suffered? Not only that, but YJ may have suffered, but it won't have magically changed the parts of her personality that clashed with JY. We can't say “she'll appreciate him more this time” or anything like that. All we'll have is a situation that will polarise viewers of this show even more beyond “I'm team YJ because I can relate” or “I'm team JY because I can relate”.

We'll have a woman who is very depressed and probably always will be, no matter how much love is heaped on her. She'll never forget and nor should she. I saw a comment on MDL that said “JY's first child would always be her second” and that means a lot more than people might know or might want to accept.

Can she enjoy a happy relationship? Absolutely. Do I think she can achieve that with her ex, when so much drama and misery and imbalance existed there? Maybe, with a LOT of work, but I feel like a lot of sacrificing would have to take place. Not just emotionally and behaviorally, but JY would have to break the heart of a really, really sweet girl who's done nothing but love him unconditionally.

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[Part 3] Nope – I'm still not on board with them being romantic again. But I'd love to see them as friends. I think friendship, more than romance, is important for overcoming past troubles and present depression. I think JY could provide a solid and beautiful friendship to her.

I've seen speculations that the child might have been JY's. I hope not. That would be insanely bad for many reasons that I won't go into while it's just speculation. Just...please, no.

I don't like that she ended up with HC after her breakup. I also don't like that they were in Portugal for a while, because that seems to require a big suspension of disbelief and maybe some belief in fate. I don't believe in that in stories like this, if I want 'fate' I'll watch a fantasy. That these two drastically different people wound up in the same country despite never having spoken about it to each other onscreen before, and they were close enough to each other to know common areas and even pass by each other in public? Nope. Just no. The minute the writer's got to involve 'fate' to try and sell me this relationship is the minute this writer has failed.

I'm really starting to not like the writing in this show. I can watch some seriously annoying characters just to finish a drama, but I've been put in a position where I – like so many others watching this show – find myself taking a side because I find one or the other unlikable. I might be able to see both perspectives to a degree, but I'm in a position where I like one and don't like the other. This means I don't even like the OTP or want it to be endgame.

I felt like some of YJ's earlier story line was designed to wipe her slate clean with JY later, like the writer couldn't figure out how to skip over their dramatic parting and have JY forgive her for their past quickly enough to get the story rolling. Cue 'traumatic experience' to generate sympathy. I'm unkind enough to wonder if her storyline in this episode was similar, since I can only imagine the sympathy and sadness JY will brim with when he learns the tragic backstory.

If we're going to add 'IT'S FATE' into the mix as well, I'm going to find it very hard to sit through the last episodes. That's lazy writing, in my opinion.

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Thanks for sharing those deeply personal stories @alex8825 .I can only say that I hope all concerned find their peace in life and stay strong.

Your comments about JY s current state of mind and future life were certainly eye opening.Gotta admit,this ep I wasn't even contemplating the possibility of YJ and JY reigniting a romantic relationship.I posited about their current and past ones and rued that the turn of events make even the possibility of a reconciliation moot.After all what can JY offer when YJ is broken in ways that are unfathomable to most of us. And if by some miracle he manages to get through to YJ,i worry what a long term relationship might do to JY's emotional/mental health given their history. the best way forward that I can see for them is him being a loving friend to her and YJ finally returningbthe favor by pointing out the obvious imbalance in his current relationship that would smoothen his way forward with So-Eun.
Ofc I am still open to the possibility of writer-nim proving us wrong about the tragedy and 'fate' being mis-steps.

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"I posited about their current and past ones and rued that the turn of events make even the possibility of a reconciliation moot.After all what can JY offer when YJ is broken in ways that are unfathomable to most of us."

This is my opinion as well. And it's an ugly thing people don't like to talk or think about, but a relationship with someone so depressed can have very negative effects on the other party. I want to be quixotic and say 'love can overcome everything!' but it's not that easy.

I have a feeling that making their romance return is fully on the cards. Firstly, I just saw a teaser on the network's Youtube channel that has a background song saying "I still love you". Secondly, I've noticed some veeery interesting flips in opinion on social media. Around episodes 10 and 11, comments swung against YJ pretty hard. Even people who had defended her started criticising her.

But since episode 12, public opinion seems to be swaying back her way. It's why I suspect her storyline was written this way to garner sympathy. Many comments showed that people didn't want her back with JY, but now they seem to be changing their mind. It makes me think it's writer manipulation to make a romantic reunion more 'plausible'. I still hope not, but que sera sera.

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Yup that is my biggest issue with the intro of this tragedy.Have already mentioned in another comment about it potentially being used as a crux for 'forgiving' YJ and getting them back together even?If that is the case,it would be a screaming shame ,given that I do not think YJ needed softening .They both did what they did in their relationships.If at all they reconcile,i wanted it to because of the people they have grown to be despite (even due to) those mis-steps. In my mind I was hoping JY would meet a YJ who is still fulfilled in her career and they have their moment of reckoning.Was also pretty neutral about them ending together or apart(but definitely being better people because of their experiences).But now the turn just wouldn't ring true. JY s reaction to YJ and her to him would forever be colored by the loss of an innocent child.
I am still (barely) holding on to the faith that the writer has a purpose with going this this route.

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I agree with you on the lazy writing! YJ does not need so much tragedy in her life! It’s as if the writer thinks that the character is unsympathetic and keeps adding these layers of tragedy to make her acceptable.
To me it just shows that it is still hard for folks to see a woman being...I guess not sweet/soft. YJ reminds me of Han TaeJoo in Life in Mars. Emotionally distant, reserved, and competent but warm to people they do let close enough. Characters that are definitely depressed due to past trauma and just trying to live. A lot like real people. I wish the show and writer would show as much care in growing YJ’s character and giving her as they have with JY. I wish she would get a chance at a good life (not with JY or due to JY or because of any one thing romantic or otherwise). But I’ve come to accept that JY is the main character and YJ is just there to help facilitate JY’s growth. Which to me is very unfortunate!

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@wonid2017 sorry, I have to reply to you here, can't reply to your comment below!

Characters should be as they are, unapologetically, but also with unapologetic looks at the consequences. THAT makes an interesting drama, and that's what I wish had been the focus of this drama. JY's not having matured much and overreaching with his jealousy, vs YJ being aloof and not good at give-take or communication. This is who they are, and that's fine, but the story should follow this to the end for better or worse without excuses or tricks. I found their relationship hard to take, tbh, but I appreciated the journey and might even have enjoyed it if the execution of this story had been better.

I was never invested in their relationship and in truth I'm hoping for a friendship in the end instead of romance. But I think romance is what we're going to get, whether it makes sense in the context or not.

There's this sense that the writer wants to force a particular outcome. And to do this, they're heaping tragedy on YJ to make her more sympathetic. JY seems ready to be knocked down a few pegs, because he's geared now to break SE's heart and take the place YJ had in their relationship.

Having JY become YJ 2.0 could have been clever, and the balancing act with YJ's earned sympathy could have been effective, except that it doesn't feel organic or even in character. Constantly throwing hardship at YJ does not constitute character development in any direction, it's just cheap shots that suggest the writer doesn't know what to do with her. The writer is even bringing in an element of 'fate' as if to force the story in their desired direction.

I don't understand why they took this path with YJ. And call me sensitive but involving a child death is a place I wouldn't go to without extreme delicacy and caution. If they're going to do this, I hope they do it with care.

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Since Dramafever shut down, I've only read recaps and watched some clips, but here's my two cents. YJ and JY had many differences that doomed their relationship, but one of the biggest issues for me was that emotionally, they were always at very different places. That seems true even more now that YJ has lost a child. I just can't see them working romantically. Maybe the third time around they can find friendship and peace.

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A recapper on another site characterized YJ as "cancerous". It was then I realized there are two different audiences for this show: those here for a regular melo and those who see Third Charm as fiction cutting very close to truth.

The little we have seen of YJ's story affected me more than JY's, because we are seeing a woman, a wonderful, multifaceted, passionate woman, being snuffed out by life. It is horrible, and painful, but so relatable, which doubles the pain. YJ is depressed, she's grieving, and she's waiting for the days to become nothing more than boxes to cross out on a calendar. I appreciate the writer's commitment to showing that there is more to a woman's life than romance.

Since this is a drama, we know JY will be the defining factor in, maybe not "fixing" YJ, but turning the light on. He already said who he wanted to be for the one he loves: a tree for them when they need shade. I think that's what YJ needs, someone who will be a shelter for her so she can heal.

Esom. That's all.

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I've definitely read a lot of negative comments about YJ and Esom on social media, people calling her a bitch/ugly/selfish and I wonder if it's because people have put Seo Kang Joon or JY on some of kind of pedestal where they think that he can't do any wrong. It's pretty disturbing and I hope those kind of comments are from teenage fan girls and not people in their 20s or older who should be more mature and able to separate real life from fiction.

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It is a sad state of affairs if people can't separate the actor from the part. This why it is called acting!

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definitely fangirls that put him, the actor on pedestal. They totally ignore the fine acting that Esom put up. My god, that nuanced raw look of pain is a sight to behold. I like her subtleness of potrayal of the character. For her to show how emotionally repressed and grief stricken Yong Jae is, she cannot overact! I wish the viewers could have realise that.

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Thanks for the wonderful recap, @sailorjumun
The show's sudden U-turn from the feel-goodyness of last episode was startling.
Esom--she has been consistently great at portraying Yj through the show's run but this episode,she was riveting. her eyes in the rare occasions that they sharpened and focused conveyed such anguish.Her scenes in that sparse apartment and that moment in front of the TV-they were difficult to watch.The rare moment of levity with her oppa and unni was such a blessed relief. Just looking at her walking, you could tell some sort of unspeakable pain has made her unique -A reluctant sleep walker in the land of the living.

If everything in the show turns sour from this point onward, it would still have a place in my heart for having allowed such wonderful performances of both its leads- SJK and Esom.

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First, Esom is doing a beautiful job. Second, for why writer did you do that to her character, WTF, hasn't she been through enough. Thirdly, why didn't YJ get her own episode? This was heartbreaking, especially because I too am on team young jae. I hope she gets her happiness.

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I feel cheated it feels like we are still waiting for more of what happened to YJ after she run after JY car in Ep10. Why was she in Portugal of all places, it is unlikely for her to give up her career and go after JY unless... I'm hoping that the story tells us that, that lovely daughter was JY's and she was in Portugal looking for him before she decided to settle for HC for the child's sake, knowing HC, it seems like he will do anything if not everything to get YJ.

I like SE, but she is too similar to JY that I think with YJ back in the picture, we will see a female JY instead.

I think the only way YJ and JY can get back together is if it it's revealed that JY was the father once YJ actually let go of everything that's depressing her.

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Oh, I don't know. If JY finds out he was the father of her baby and she hid that from her and stole his chance to know that child... I don't think he'd ever be able to recover from that.

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From a recap reading observer's point of view, I noticed everyone keeps saying that Se Eun is so sweet and doesn't deserve to get her heart broke and she's put in so much effort to get Joon Young. To me, that is not a reason for Joon Young to stay with her. Yes, it will be heartbreaking if he breaks off their engagement but it would be cruel to marry her knowing he really doesn't love her. Being with someone because they're easier isn't love, especially when that person loves you with all of their being.

I really want to watch this but just reading the recaps is ripping my heart out. I don't think I could take actually seeing these things happen.

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You make a great point. He absolutely shouldn't stay with her just because, and I think if she felt he would do that, she should run away because no one should have to settle for being a replacement or substitute.

I guess what people are reaching for, myself included, is the sense that JY has everything he ever seemed to desire from a relationship right there, guaranteed and unconditional. She embodies everything he seemed to silently beg for. It's tragic that JY isn't seeing her value and is still pining for something that made him miserable for a majority of screen time. I think he does love SE, but they're comfortable instead of passionate.

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I think this is what is bugging me a little. Love and happiness should not be on what is comfortable. To me it is about finding someone who you can grow with and growth is never easy and often painful. If as everyone says SE is giving everything JY was begging for and he is still pining for YJ then maybe he is not really getting what he needs. JY needs to ask himself what he really wants from a partner. If he wants comfort then that’s great but he should take care that he doesn’t confuse comfort with complacency. Since the first time he met YJ, JY has had to extend himself and that has been a way for him to grow. Painful as it was JY ended up growing. I’m in no way saying that this means he has to end up with YJ. To me it’s just an observation on JY’s relationship with SE (who also has not had a chance to grow and has just been waiting patiently for JY or at least that’s what the show seems to be showing us!)

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I get this completely. It's a shame because I like SE, but it's looking more and more likely that he can't tear himself away from the past. It's not the ending I'd like or I would choose, but it's not my story *shrug*

"Since the first time he met YJ, JY has had to extend himself and that has been a way for him to grow." I only wish JY hadn't extended himself so much. I can applaud him for the effort, but he posted his personality down the river in a basket to accommodate someone else's preferences to such a degree that he turned into a bitter, resentful and jealous child. I'm glad he grew from it, but it was painful to watch and completely turned me off of the main pairing.

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For me I don't think it's so much I want Se-un to be with JY, it's more so I want her to be happy because she is so sweet. I'm actually for the OTP, I wanted them to break up because they both had growing to do, but I want JY and YJ together. I still want them together, but YJ needs to heal first.

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Esom potrayal of YJ make it seems she so unlikeable... Sorry... I just don't like underacting. And she is the definition of underacting to the point the char appear as unsympathetic. I finally understand writer hesititation of hasn't write her char to have more detail like JY did despite JY has much easier life.... JY appear as more angsty...

Melodrama is work if you enable to add nuance to the char. And she won't be able to bring it.

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Thanks again @sailorjumun for the recaps and all the great comments. What an emotional episode.
A few ransom thoughts (not as heavy as some above):
1. Big mistake on Joon-young's part to bring his ex-girlfriend to his small restaurant and cook a gourmet dinner for her. I said to myself, "bad idea". Hopefully it won't be a problem for Se-eun.
2. I enjoyed the father/son scene in the yard. (After JY went into the house for a moment I thought writer-nim was going to have Dad die of a heart attack reaching for a persimmon. Thankfully that did not happen);
3. Sister Ri-won, although quite capable, still is super annoying;
4. The tragedy of Young-jae losing a child and divorce are heartbreaking. I agree with all the comments about her need for professional help.
I don't think Joon-young is the answer to her problems; and
5. Joon-young's home life until he broke free and headed off to Portugal was toxic. His young life was not a piece of cake. I will grant that he did not have the same challenges that Young-jae had. He was away from home for 5 years. He is a good person in a world where goodness is not valued. He has to take care of Se-eun (and himself ) first. If it possible that he can provide support to JY as a disinterested friend (ie unselfishly, in this case with no romantic feelings) then he is the type of guy that will do what he can.

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The only person that makes me cry in this drama is Young Jae. You're right. She needs serious help. :'(

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And if it's Joon Young who can provide that desperate help she needs, even if not romantically, then I'm all for it.

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I wasn't actually watching the show but following the recaps only & now I want to drop the recap if not for our lovely recapper SJ.

I mean I don't have issues with actors or characters but WHY DO WE SUDDENLY HAVE A DEAD CHILD IN THE STORY?
I'm pouting at writer-nim to introduce this plot to make YJ's story during the time gap as a very sad thing. I mean I understood it happening during the first break up but it happened again? Now what is JY supposed to do? Be her healing double ex ...?
This.....is not what I expected the writer to do to bring our OTP together FOREVARRRRR or whatever 😒
We could've just seen her marriage falling apart. Idk why all the characters are put through so much stress. Even HC's character must've suffered after the loss of their child & now SE will probably hurt & suffer & be the Noble idiot I CAN'T..... Asfwjkzlzl *shaking fist at writer-nim*
For a show that started out so bubbly, it surely changed themes drastically

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This episode and the next few feel a bit like a punch in the gut with all that is going on with YJ.
Watching JYs new relationship mirror how he used to be with YJ is also refreshing.
I watch his fiance with the same cringey quality that I used to watch JY as he tried too hard all the time with YJ.

This part of the show feels completely different than the first half but am enjoying it much more. If you aren't watching now the 2018 episodes are worth seeing.

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