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Red Moon, Blue Sun: Episodes 15-16

As our protagonist follows every clue in her desperate attempt to figure out who the little girl in the green dress might be, the detectives continue to track down information that might lead them to Red Cry. It won’t be an easy task, because the identities of both mysterious people are very carefully hidden — but by whom? And why?

 
EPISODES 15-16 RECAP

Looking at the drawing of the little girl in the green dress, Woo-kyung’s not-really-childhood friend says that the little girl looks like Woo-kyung. But Woo-kyung staunchly denies it, and takes out a photo that shows child Woo-kyung standing with another little girl, who is another supposed childhood friend. Yep, child Woo-kyung doesn’t look like the girl in the green dress.

Meanwhile, Ha-jung’s daughter Bit-na hurries after the detectives, warning them not to believe everything her mother told them. She defends Woo-kyung, who once used to counsel her. Bit-na says that her mother is just jealous of Woo-kyung and thus wants to discredit her out of a bizarre sense of competition.

Ji-heon asks Bit-na if she stole her mother’s information and sold it online, but the girl scoffs. She doesn’t need money — she already has 10,000,000 won in the bank. Ji-heon marvels that the girl seems to have a good life — plenty of money and top of her class, what more could she need?

Except her life is anything but good. Ha-jung turns out to be an overly controlling mother, doing TSA-worthy searches of her daughter to make sure there aren’t any distractions before locking Bit-na into a closet where she can do nothing except study. Ha-jung even has a camera set up in the closet, and happily spies on her daughter studying.

But carefully blocked by her book and desk, Bit-na expertly sends a message without even looking at her secret phone. She asks someone that’s saved as “Teach” in her phone if the secret phone she’s using is a burner phone, since the detectives were asking about burner phones. But “Teach” tells Bit-na not to worry about it.

Woo-kyung arrives at the apartment building just as Min-seok is leaving after dropping off Eun-seo, but she waits in her car until he drives away. Mom reveals that she talked to Min-seok about Woo-kyung, and they’re both concerned that Woo-kyung is still hallucinating about the little girl in the green dress.

Woo-kyung insists she no longer sees the little girl and is being treated by her doctor (LIES!), but Mom angrily demands to know why Woo-kyung keeps asking about the little girl. Woo-kyung says that she just had a memory of the little girl and is trying to recall where it came from.

Mom gets defensive, telling Woo-kyung that trying to remember the little girl won’t help their family. Besides, if Woo-kyung should remember anything, she should remember her breakdown after Se-kyung’s accident and how difficult those months were for everyone. Mom warns Woo-kyung that if she doesn’t snap out of her obsession with the little girl in the green dress, Woo-kyung will lose her actual child, Eun-seo.

In their secret command room, Chan-wook has worked his tech magic to discover that the burner phone they originally tracked to Ha-jung is definitely connected to Red Cry, and that it was turned on a couple of days ago for a total of seven minutes — the same period of time that Woo-kyung received the message from Red Cry.

Soo-young looks into Ha-jung’s history, and finds a few interesting criminal charges — vandalism, public disturbance, and assault. All of these actions came about because someone disagreed with Ha-jung’s extreme stance that anyone who abused a child should be arrested or killed.

She even fought with one of the Everybody’s Child members when the other woman said that Ha-jung was being too harsh. But the woman does say that Ha-jung and Woo-kyung seemed to get along — in fact, Woo-kyung was the only Everybody Child’s member Ha-jung was friendly with.

All roads continue to lead back to Woo-kyung, so Ji-heon and Soo-young stop by the children’s center to ask her about Ha-jung. Woo-kyung is surprised by their questions, and Ji-heon adds that Ha-jung said Woo-kyung went crazy after Se-kyung’s accident.

Woo-kyung admits her sister got into the car accident right after she and Woo-kyug had an argument, so it would have been strange if Woo-kyung didn’t struggle after her sister’s accident. But she hasn’t been in contact with Ha-jung since she quit the club two years ago.

Ji-heon asks if Woo-kyung thinks Ha-jung could be Red Cry — after all, they both share the same extreme views on how to deal with child abusers. Woo-kyung cautiously explains that a parent is a child’s universe, and to imagine how frightening and disorientating it would be if the universe suddenly attacked you for no reason. In that way, Woo-kyung also agrees with Ha-jung’s and Red Cry’s views that child abusers should be harshly punished — but simply having an opinion doesn’t make someone a murderer.

As they leave the children’s center, Soo-young’s still convinced that Ha-jung and Woo-kyung must be working together, but Ji-heon muses that they always seem to return to this building, no matter what case they’re working on. He spots Eun-ho unloading the maintenance truck, and wonders if Woo-kyung is really the problem — or if it’s the children’s center.

The detectives hurry back inside, and Ji-heon asks if Woo-kyung’s work computer is set up to a intranet for the center. Woo-kyung says it is — that’s where all her case files are kept. But they’re all securely encrypted and there’s no easy way to hack the system.

But as the detectives analyze the children center’s software, Chan-wook reveals that there’s a back door to the intranet, a “master key” that can be accessed in case of emergencies and allows the user to view all files. The only person who has access to the master key is the children’s center owner. That seems like a good lead in narrowing down who Red Cry could be.

Except the owner is computer illiterate, and hands out his log-in information like candy so others can get the access they need from him. Ji-heon wants to know if Eun-ho would have access to the log-in, but considering how lax the owner is with his personal security, it would be easier to make a list of who didn’t have access.

Soo-young checks the alibis for all the employees of the children’s center to see what they were doing when the burner phone was turned on for those seven minutes. Luckily for Eun-ho, he’s caught on the CCTV camera at that time, doing maintenance in the front garden — and definitely not in the location where the wifi towers indicate the burner phone was used.

One of Eun-ho’s drawings of Ha-na catches her eye, and Soo-young is surprised that he drew the little girl with a huge smile. Eun-ho practically beams as he explains that Ha-na’s become so much happier lately. He adds that whenever he looks at the children laughing and smiling, it feels like something terrible inside him is being washed away.

As Soo-young turns to leave, Eun-ho stops her, asking about the rumor he’s heard, that the mummified woman was actually Ha-na’s mother. He muses that it’s actually a blessing, since Ha-na now gets to live a happy life — although he quickly adds that murder is bad, of course. But in this case, it all seemed to work out well for Ha-na.

Woo-kyung goes to the hospital to visit Suk-woo’s little sister, Hee-soo. She gives the little girl the drawing her brother had hidden in his shoe, then talks to the social workers at the hospital. The social worker says that the father immediately waived his parental rights to Hee-soo, but she hasn’t been able to reach Hee-soo’s mother to get her to sign the form.

Woo-kyung tries calling Hee-soo’s mother but doesn’t get a response. The last we saw of Suk-woo and Hee-soo’s mother, she was collapsed on the side of the road after being hit by a truck. However, in a surprising turn of events for the normally reliable Truck of Doom, the woman is still alive, although badly injured and in the hospital.

At an art gallery, Woo-kyung wanders around, looking at the paintings. But her true purpose for being there is because the gallery owner is another of her childhood friends. Except the woman doesn’t remember Woo-kyung at all.

That sends Woo-kyung to hunt through Mom’s storage room to find anything else from her childhood. But Mom says that they threw out all of the childhood memorabilia when they moved. Woo-kyung finds it odd that her father would spend so much time showing her photos and telling her stories about her childhood, but never did that for Se-kyung.

Mom simply says that Woo-kyung was always her father’s favorite. But Woo-kyung tells Mom about the supposed childhood friends who have no memory of her, her voice starting to rise in a panic as she says it’s strange that her memory and theirs could be so different. Why can’t she remember anything correctly?

Mom points out that it would be strange to have a perfect memory of things that happened over thirty years ago, but Woo-kyung demands to know if her father purposefully showed her those photos and told her those stories to give her false memories. She desperately asks why her father would to such a thing, but Mom coldly tells Woo-kyung she should go see a doctor.

The detectives are annoyed that their Red Cry lead became a dead-end thanks to the children’s center owner being so carefree with his log-in information. All the employees have alibis for when the burner phone was turned on, so that trail has gone cold, too. Ji-heon’s foul mood is further ruined when he gets a call letting him know that his request for a restraining order to keep Ha-na from her father has been denied.

That means there’s no reason to keep Ha-na from meeting her father. When Woo-kyung and Ji-heon reluctantly take Ha-na to her father, her smile disappears. She doesn’t look at her father as he laughs at the absurdity of him suddenly thinking Ha-na is cute, despite him hating children in general.

Ji-heon and Woo-kyung are not amused, but they keep a careful watch as the man calls to Ha-na. She ignores him until he suddenly bursts out that she should look at him when he’s talking to her. Ha-na immediately, and almost instinctively, leaps to attention=. But she’s still silent as the man repeatedly and absurdly calls himself her father.

The little girl is so terrified that she pees her pants, but is too afraid to move until Woo-kyung reassures her that it’s okay to use the bathroom. As Woo-kyung asks the man where it is, Ha-na immediately runs towards it. That’s odd, considering the man keeps insisting this is the first time he’s ever met his daughter, so it should be impossible for her to know how his home is laid out.

Ji-heon isn’t falling for the man’s lies, and tries to keep calm and neutral when the man starts to talk about Woo-kyung, joking that she has such a nice body that even Ji-heon must be attracted to her. But even a cool-headed detective has his breaking point, and Ji-heon suddenly stands up, looking like he wants to punch the man in the face.

Laughing, the man says his lewd remarks are just jokes between a couple of guys. But Ji-heon reveals he’s been recording their conversation and that he can arrest the man for sexual harassment. Ji-heon grabs him by the collar, and through gritted teeth, angrily tells him that he knows exactly what kind of criminal trash the man really is. Then Ji-heon shoves him to the ground.

Ha-na and Woo-kyung come out of the bathroom just then, and Ha-na runs over to Ji-heon, clinging to his leg as she looks up at him in silent appeal. Ji-heon hesitates and then puts his arm around the little girl.

Ha-na is thankfully returned to her foster family, and her bright smile is all the thanks Ji-heon needs to confirm he did the right thing. Woo-kyung sighs that they don’t have any proof that Ha-na’s father did anything to abuse her, and it’s frustrating knowing that someone committed a crime but they’re unable to arrest them.

Ji-heon’s determined to keep track of every little thing Ha-na’s father does wrong until it adds up to be enough for an arrest. Woo-kyung says Ji-heon’s optimistic and naive — Ha-na would rather pee on herself than say anything against her father. She’ll be too terrified to testify against him.

Woo-kyung adds that Ji-heon must finally understand how Red Cry feels right now, the rage against a child abuser and wanting to do anything to destroy them — because, at least, that’s how Woo-kyung feels.

On her way home from school, Bit-na is stopped by Soo-young who treats her to a quick meal before Bit-na heads to her after-school class. Soo-young wants to know more about what made Woo-kyung and Ha-jung split ways, and Bit-na says that the two women are just naturally different — one is authentic, the other is fake.

Soo-young asks which one is which, and Bit-na shrugs, saying it all depends on your perspective. But Soo-young catches a glimpse of fresh scars on the girl’s arms and demands to know if Woo-kyung also saw them. Soo-young wonders if that’s the reason why Bit-na’s mother and Woo-kyung no longer speak to each other.

Annoyed, Bit-na insists that the marks are just a “scratch game” the kids play, but Woo-kyung also saw them and accused Ha-jung of child abuse. That would definitely cause a fracture in the friendship, since there’s no way Ha-jung would be able to withstand being called the very thing she hates.

Meanwhile, Chan-wook has dug further into Ha-jung’s records, discovering that Ha-jung regularly received an illegal study-aid prescription from Doctor Park — the same doctor who killed Ji-hye.

Ji-heon and Soo-young question Ha-jung about the prescription, pointing out that she was receiving the drugs from Doctor Park for quite some time, so she must have known him relatively well — especially since they both protested against Ji-hye.

Ha-jung acts shocked to discover that Doctor Park is the same person who committed suicide after killing Ji-hye, but Ji-heon yells at her to stop playing dumb. He then asks where she was at the time when the burner phone was turned on, but Ha-jung is affronted by all their questioning.

Woo-kyung finds Suk-woo’s mother at the hospital and is shocked by how injured the woman is. Woo-kyung apologizes for slapping the woman a few days ago, but the woman says Woo-kyung must be so happy to know that she was hit by a truck. After all, Woo-kyung told her she might as well die.

But Woo-kyung’s main concern is for Hee-soo and getting her mother’s permission to send Hee-soo to a foster home. As Woo-kyung starts to leave, she hesitatingly asks if the woman has someone to take care of her, but the woman just quotes the poem that was sent to her: “The poop of sorrow, the meal of poop.”

The woman starts to cry as she admits that when the truck hit her, she thought she was being punished, that she was being forced to experience exactly how terrified and in pain her son was when he died. But she survived and her son didn’t, so she says she’s worse than poop.

Driving home, Woo-kyung can’t stop thinking about how Suk-woo’s mother kept asking if Woo-kyung was pleased that she nearly died, and how the accident matched Woo-kyung’s prior desire to run the woman over in her car.

Recognizing the phrase from the poem, Woo-kyung flips through all her poetry books until she finds the one by Choi Seungja, titled “You, Who I Cannot Save.”

Ha-jung is in her own secret chat room disguised as a rock band’s website, messaging her concerns to an anonymous person. She’s concerned that the detectives keep about her alibi, but the anonymous person tells her it will be fine, provided Ha-jung acts innocent.

Ha-jung steps away from the table as Bit-na emerges from her prison, I mean, bedroom, to get a drink of milk. She thinks it odd that her mother is looking at a rock music website, but when Ha-jung returns, she merely warns Bit-na not to drink so much so she doesn’t waste study time peeing. Ugh, this mom is the worst.

In the morning, Woo-kyung goes to Ji-heon and his team to tell them about Suk-woo’s mother, the Truck of Doom, and the poem. She thinks it’s strange that a person who criminally neglected her children was nearly killed and was sent a line a poem just before it happened. It fits Red Cry’s modus operandi perfectly.

Chan-wook thinks it’s creepy that they’ve got a serial killer who loves obscure poetry, but Woo-kyung disagrees — she believes the killer actually hates poetry. When it comes to killing something the culprit hates, such as abusive parents, the culprit wouldn’t want to immediately associate it with something they love, such as poetry.

Soo-young follows Woo-kyung, inquiring about Bit-na’s statement that “one of them is authentic, the other is fake.” Woo-kyung doesn’t know what it means and turns to leave, but Soo-young adds that Bit-na still plays the “scratch game.” Neither women seem to believe that the “scratch game” is really how Bit-na got her wounds.

Woo-kyung sends Bit-na a message, reminding her that she’s always on her side, just like she had originally promised.

The detectives head to the building where Suk-woo’s mother does her online streaming, and they paw through the dumpster to find the note with the poem on it. They also ask if she received any weird or creepy messages online, and one of the staff members wryly points out that in their line of business, weird and creepy messages are their bread-and-butter. But the staff member is shocked to discover that she was married and had kids.

When Ji-heon and Soo-young visit the hospital to see Suk-woo’s mother, she’s furious that they told everyone at work that she’s a mother. The detectives just want to know if she talked to anyone about her kids, especially the way she neglected them. The woman protests that she didn’t purposefully neglect them — she had to work and didn’t know what else to do with them.

She starts to cry as she confesses that ever since her divorce, she never mentioned her kids to anyone. She knows she’s not a good mom and doesn’t deserve to be one.

Just then, Ji-heon gets a call that they’ve discovered the identity of the hit-and run-driver. It’s a college student who goes to school abroad, but was working part-time for a moving company over the winter holiday. Ji-heon warns the student that even though Suk-woo’s mother didn’t die, he could still go to prison for a long time for driving away from the accident.

Ji-heon quotes the line of poetry to him, but the student has no idea what Ji-heon is talking about. It doesn’t seem like the student was the one who sent the weird gift to Suk-woo’s mother. At the moment, it looks like it was a genuine Truck of Doom accident and has nothing to do with the vigilante serial killer who may (or may not) love poetry.

Ji-heon’s day continues to get even worse when he’s asked to make Ha-na’s DNA results public so her father can register her as part of his family. Ji-heon refuses to give the man that information, despite the man warning Ji-heon that he’s tearing a family apart. Yeah, sure, whatever. We know that there’s no good reason for him to claim Ha-na as his own.

Woo-kyung receives a message from one of her not-childhood-friends, apologizing that they must have been mistaken about not knowing Woo-kyung, because she sends a photo of them celebrating Woo-kyung’s birthday together. Woo-kyung stares at it in disbelief — there’s no image of the little girl in the green dress, but young Woo-kyung is wearing the green dress.

A flash of memory causes her to recall her birth mother giving the dress to her as a birthday present, and how happy she was. Images of the little girl in the green dress and Woo-kyung as a child superimpose in Woo-kyung’s mind as she fights to recall the correct memory.

Looking across the kitchen table, she sees the little girl in the green dress staring sadly at her. Once again, Woo-kyung wonders who the little girl really is.

 
COMMENTS

I’m still sticking to my current theory that the little girl in the green dress is Se-kyung. We know that Se-kyung is younger than Woo-kyung, and I could see how a younger sister would ask to try on her older sister’s birthday present. At any rate, I’m determined to believe (at least, for now) that the little girl in the green dress is blood-related to Woo-kyung and a true memory from her past, but one that her father worked very hard to persuade Woo-kyung never existed as he kept feeding her false memories. (Which is seriously messed up — how terrible a childhood did Woo-kyung have that her family would pretend it never happened, creating an entirely different childhood story for her? For that matter, why didn’t Se-kyung get the same treatment, since she surely had the same memories? Or was she too young to remember anything at the time?)

Even though I don’t fully trust Woo-kyung, I’m not convinced she’s the poetry killer. She definitely has the rage and the desire to kill someone — but not, I believe, the follow-through. She does seem to come to her senses at just the right moment. She may slap a few neglectful parents, but kill them? That’s going a bit too far, no matter if she thinks they deserve it or not.

But the children’s center is definitely where we’ll find the killer. Eun-ho still seems the most likely suspect — he has the kind of job that allows him to go all sorts of places virtually unnoticed. Just because he had CCTV footage giving him an alibi for the time Red Cry messaged Woo-kyung, doesn’t mean that he still couldn’t have done it. CCTV footage can easily be altered, especially when you’re the one in charge of keeping the records. While he might not have been the one driving the Truck of Doom, he does routinely drive a truck, and may have met the student driver somehow and become friends. Eun-ho knew what Suk-woo’s mother looked like since she visited the children’s center — he could have been following her and figured out a path she would normally take, and paid the student driver to hit her. Or, at least, take the fall for hitting her. It makes sense! But so will an entire new theory once we get even more information in the next episode, heh.

While normally I’d be annoyed at the slow trickle of clues, I’m actually finding it rather delightful that we’re discovering everything almost at the same pace as the detectives and Woo-kyung. It makes me feel more like a participant than a mere viewer, as though I’m solving the mystery alongside them. I really appreciate that none of our detectives seem particularly clueless — whenever I’ve had a flagging concern about some potential weirdness, so did Ji-heon or Soo-young. The “bumbling cop” feels like such a common trope — a way to let the amateur sleuth figure out everything — that having such intelligent and intuitive detectives is exciting since I know it won’t be easy for our killer to stay hidden forever. I’m such a sucker for a good cat-and-mouse game, and even though so far this is still very much the mouse’s game, I can’t wait for the cats to finally figure out what’s really going on (because then I will know what’s really going on, too).

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I'm giving up on guessing what's going on here, not out of frustration, but because I'm genuinely enjoying the story and the rate at which it's coming to the screen. I feel like twisting around too much and trying to guess what's happening at this point will just tear me away from the masterful pacing and storytelling.

I'm really enjoying N's presence as Eun-Ho. I find myself looking for him in each episode. I think it's a combo of his soft, mysterious and somehow uncomfortable presence and the fact that he reminds me so much of Yamazaki Kento. I feel like he still has a big part to play.

Is it wrong for me to hope that Red Cry takes care of the dog butcher? I'm scared for Ha-Na.

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Yes! I'm suprised that he didn't die first, he's way worse than HaNa mother.

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I have to agree, please -- before our detective team catch red cry can't we say goodbye to one or two more abusers?

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yamazaki kento~
my favorite L to date tbh~
sorry for the totally OTT comment XD

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I'm really enjoying N in this too! The vibe he gives off as Eunho is so strange and off putting but I know he's killing it at this role because that's probably exactly the vibe he's supposed to give off.
Plus his beautiful voice in the new OST ๐Ÿ˜

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Red Cry seems to use people to do crimes for him/her, this way is harder to find connection between them. I mean it would be pretty smart to use Ha Jung's Mom who is an abuser herself and kill her later.

I really hope that Ji-heon will be able to protect Ha Na until the end.

We can better undestand the ex-husband when he said she should take care of herself or it will be like the last time. The accident of sister impacted her pretty badly.

I'm curious about the awful secret that her step mother want her to forget. It's sad because the step-mother should understand that it's too late now and the truth must be told that she can feel better.

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The stepmother mystery is getting to be a central theme - time for a revelation?

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I got the feeling that the girl in green dress is a WK memory of someone already dead, and link to her missing childhood memories.
Another of my hunch is that Red Cry must be a woman, because, it seem like it put much more weight on mother, even if the father is actually abusive one, like in HaNa case, and with SukWoo, we met his mother and father is only mentioned, although he was sole caregiver and he is the one that endanger his children.

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I was a bit surprised by Sooyoung's outburst at Bit-na in this episode -- obviously she didn't have bad intentions but her reaction was really extreme. So perhaps seeing Bit-na's scars relates to the trauma that triggered her previous outbursts?
I'm so, so impatient to know the full truth behind Wookyung's mixed up memories -- not to mention my anticipation for Sekyung to have a miracle recovery.

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So I'm actually not watching this show--I'm just following the recaps only. This show sounds so incredible to me, but I didn't think I could handle seeing all the abused children (I have two small kids). But after reading the first recap, I was so intrigued by the show that I just got sucked in. Just wanted to give a big round of applause and thanks for @odilettante, for writing such great recaps that capture the suspense and intrigue of the show and keep me on the edge of my seat! I am all in with this show now, despite still having not seen it :)

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When your kids grow up, I would recommend watching it for Kim Sun-A's acting, she is a pure delight to watch.

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I watched the first episode and was really put off by how gruesome it was, but have been reading recaps for the mystery of the girl in the green dress.

Doesn't it seem like WK's anger comes from having been abused as a child? Doesn't it seem like stepmom defended Ji-hye because she herself was always covering for her abusive husband? Wouldn't that explain why she was shocked when WK thanked her for raising them? Wouldn't it also explain why she blamed WK for their divorce, not MS?

I think @odilettante is right that the girl in the green dress is SK -- it fits that she is unconscious, so her spirit is finding another way to protect her sister.

Either WK has a split personality, where Red Cry is the part of her that is fighting back against abuse, or else Red Cry is someone who is deliberately using WK's identity to murder abusive parents.

Doesn't it also seem like SY was abused as a child and chose to become a cop because of that? And yet beats guys up to let out some of her anger?

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All of these seem totally possible to me!

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This is like an eps dedicated to Ji-heon. I feel like I know so much more about him in this eps than in all 14 eps before combined. He always appeared calm and collected no matter what kind of frustrating and disturbing cases he has to worked through that his rage about Ha-na's dad caught me by surprise. In that moment, he seems perfectly capable of doing dark deeds. But as Woo-kyung said, his impotent rage also showed how young, naive, and optimistic he is despite what he saw on everyday basis at work. And it both endeared him to me and reminded me that this Red Cry cases might very well overwhelmed him soon.

I don't know why I kept thinking that this latest obstacle Ji-heon has to deal with regarding Ha-na's dad sudden interest in her daughter is some sort of personal challenge for Ji-heon. It almost like Red Cry is trying to rile Ji-heon up and force him to admit that sometimes, when law could do nothing about trash like Ha-na's dad, it's better to let people like Red Cry to take care of it another way.

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"It almost like Red Cry is trying to rile Ji-heon up and force him to admit that sometimes, when law could do nothing about trash like Ha-na's dad, it's better to let people like Red Cry to take care of it another way." I would love to see how this plays out in this show--such a fascinating twist. It would also allow the show to sort of be more critical about the existing holes in the system that DO let such awful people get away with such awful things.

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It seems the only reason Ha-nas repulsive dad is showing interest in claiming her is for the sole purpose of taking revenge on Woo-kyung and Ji-heon, they made him mad, so now he's trying to return the favor because he is smart enough to know that's what is going to really hurt them

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that's not necessarily wrong but rather optimistic. Remember Hana's mother was a minor when he picked her up on the streets... he may hate small children when they make noise but I have no doubt he's find uses for her once she's in his power.

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Oh I wouldn't doubt that at all. He's dreadful. I'm just trying not to think that far ahead, I'm getting very caught up in these characters.

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Yuk! I hope you are wrong.

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I'm with @odilettante, I think it is WK's sister, but one who died, not the comatose one. I also think it has to do with her bio mom. I think the bio mom killed the child, WK watched her kill the child or somehow convinced WK to kill her. That's is why her father worked so hard to implant new memories.

The dog butcher needs to go and die. What an evil, disgusting man. ( also I see you writer-nim, tying dog butchering to a bad person๐Ÿ‘€)

Interestingly all the people who have been killed or harmed with the exception of Suk Woo have been tied to "societal" wrongs.
- the gambler
- the loner ( nevermind how she was abused)
- the computer porno star
- idk what park Ji hye did though
- now the dog butcher

Hmmmm. Anyway still loving this drama. So well written.

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Oooooo. I really like this theory about a sister who died, and WK needing new memories.

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My theory is also that the girl is a sister who died, WK blocked it out and dad implanted new memories.

I think Sekyung might have told WK something before her accident.

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I think it's more likely that Dad was the abuser, and he may have killed Mom while she was protecting WK. The whole idea of "WK' being his favorite and him working to revise her memories sounds very creepy. Creepy enough to remind me of the serial killer father in Come Here and Hug Me having a favorite son.

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That also works.

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Or maybe the one in a coma is not really her sister?

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So I go back and forth a lot about this little girl in the green dress. Odilettante's reasoning is pretty compelling, and I do sometimes think its Sekyung...but mostly, I think the girl in the green dress is Wookyung herself. I think all the photographs of her childhood are fake; that's why no one recognizes her anymore. The one non-friend who calls back with a photo called back after WK confronted the stepmom, right? (correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe the stepmom had something to do with "fixing" that? I don't know why her dad did what he did or what happened, but I think her sister figured it out, and that's why she was in the accident--because she could identify the true story.

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But that it's quite elaborate cover up, don't you think?And not remembering well someone from your kindergarden years is quite normal, that one woman said she remember WK but they were not that close, and she had her old photo in green dress from the birthday party.

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You are almost certainly right, but it just feels toooooo coincidental to me that her childhood is so obscure and the one person who could help her understand it, is in a coma. ya know? But yeah I do agree, the coverup would be elaborate---and highly unlikely for this drama at least. Now if we were talking about The Last Empress...well then that'd be another story ;)

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Nooo! Not Ha na! Especially when you know her father just wants to mess with Ji-heon. If he gets her back, he will just lock her up again and forget her. I am desperately wishing Red Cry gets to him first.

Which brings me to an interesting point. Ji-heon has always professed a distaste for criminals. Abusers, murders, ... he wants to catch them all regardless of the victims, as he mentionned a couple of episodes to the guard lady when investigating the very first crime. She suggested that because the victim was a child abuser, he wasn't chasing after the murderer very seriously and he clearly corrected her. Since then we have seen Ji-heon getting attached to Ha na and fighting with her father who he can't seem to put in jail for his crimes.

The question is: How far will he go to protect her? Will he stick to his principles or admit that sometimes the law fails the innocent?

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Look murder is bad and i hope they catch Red Cry but maybe before they catch him he claims another victim and maaaybe that victim is that awful man -was his name ever said on the show, I refuse to call him HN's father- although in all seriousness I hope in this instant justice prevails and JH finds a way to put him in jail.

I think the girl in the green dress is WK, for some reason I have this idea stuck in my mind that once WK realize the girl is her she'll change back to her younger self, maybe this is another way to distance herself from whatever happened to her, the girl doesn't look like me so she isn't me.
On the other hand like @odilettante said younger siblings often try on their older siblings cloths and in the twirling scene the dress does kind of look a little big on her.

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Sometimes they try on older siblings' clothes, but also when older siblings grow out of stuff, it gets handed down to younger ones.

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The girl in the green dress is WK. Although I don't want that because, if she is the girl, she is Red Cry. Because how would she know a dead body is in that abandon room? Now i was OK with the girl in the green dress being her sister, but something is a bit off with that. I need a bit of a backstory of her relationship with her sister. back to WK being the girl in the green dress. We've said before that WK was not a trustworthy narrator, and I agree. I feel like she's the one watching from the outside her sister's life and is personifying it as if it's her memory. The fact that the so called childhood friend said that the drawing looks like her is telling. Some of us thought the same, but because she said it's not her we let it go. but how trustworthy is WK recollection of her childhood when she herself don't know?

I also can understand if she has DID (Dissociative identity disorder, previously called multiple personality disorder, is usually a reaction to trauma as a way to help a person avoid bad memories. ) and the episode when when she caught her husband cheating. That night when the fought witch him she went to the kitchen and grabbed a knife, and then she started talking to herself and I quote,

"It feels as if my body's being shredded. This terrible fury. Where is it coming from? My husband's betrayal? My husband woman? No. It began long before that. A much crueler and deeper thing... that I don't know about... Lurks within me. This fury of which the roots are unknown. When did it all begin?" ending of episode 3&4

Those lines alone makes me wonder if she is really Red Cry, but I don't want her to be LOL!!!

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thanks for the recaps @odilettante

At first, I did think gdg is sekyung but the last episode makes me change my mind. This episode, after seeing the birthday party, makes me think that either she was SK or someone else, the hidden child, perhaps? But whatever it is, this part of the mystery gives me a headache.. lol
I cant just make up my mind about my own theory tbh~

Other than that, the most chilling and uncomfortable scenes ever was when that scum repeatedly saying 'appa', wanting HN reaction.. That scene was just... so chilling... urghh...

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I am so happy that the proverbial "bumbling, lazy, corrupt, stupid, clueless cop" trope was not used in this. So tired of that...

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I especially liked the scene when Ji-heon got angry at the Dog Butcher for making misogynistic comments.

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Iโ€™m sooo impressed with how Lee Yi Kyung is playing Ji Heon. Iโ€™ve watched that scene with Ha Naโ€™s dad back a couple times and his entire face was shaking with anger. So good. I always try to come up with a comment for this show and I never can it kinda just blows my mind every week.

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I now understand why Kim Sun-ah took this role. In one of the interviews she said that the script different and interesting, so she decided to take this role. It proved it so right.

I'm enjoying the ride with this drama while having so many questions. Wishing the Dad won't be granted any request to be Hana's guardian. By looking at the way he looked at Woo-Kyung when she'd visited him the first time, I guess the Dad had a tendency not only a child abuser, but also sex abuser. I hope the Dad's request won't be granted!

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I wouldn't put it past him. The man is disgusting! He makes my blood boil!! His smirks are infuriating. But I have to give it to Woo-kyung. I would have ran away the moment I saw him. You can tell the type of vile person he his from the moment you set eyes on him.

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Do you guys know any clever thrillers? In that, the narrative is not focussed on the main character's some special ability. I mean sometimes the main character will have some super memory or sixth sense kind of thing which helps them to figure out things but the audience will not even have any clue or even a chance to make a guess.

I really like crime thrillers and the kind. But there are only a few well-made ones. Most of them are just formulaic. Actually, I don't mind the formula if it is done well. Please suggest me some good ones.

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I'm not watching this particular show but just saw you comment in passing... Thrillers...hmmm well do you have something you've enjoyed in the past?
I really enjoyed I Remember You but I don't know if it's full thriller for what you're looking for?

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oh yeah, I watched it. That was a nice one. In kdramas I have watched Ten all the seasons, Missing Noir, Vampire prosecutor and detective, Hidden Identity, Healer, Bad Guys, Liar game, Two Weeks, secret forest, Tunnel, Defendant, Voice, Guest, Lookout, Mad Dog, Village Achiara's secret, Three days, Iris, Punch, Signal, Pied Piper, Ghost, Investigation couple

Chinese I have enjoyed Love me if you dare and Evil Minds
I liked the Scandinavian original of The Bridge.
Then, Mentalist, The Fall, The killing, Top of the lake, Condor, BodyGuard (though I didn't much like the finale) Bones, Line of duty, shooter, Sherlock...

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Oh wow okay you've watched like them all haha.
Hmmm let's see... so some of these I haven't watched but I'll mention them anyway.
I guess City Hunter isn't on your list... I didn't like the ending but it's similar to Healer in many ways.
White Christmas
Sandglass (if you can find it)
Chaser (?)
Then I've been told to watch ๋งˆ์™•/Mawang
You're All Surrounded was just a nice B-list cop drama.

English- The Blacklist, The Night Manager, Criminal Minds (Reid is a suuuuper genius and it's too long and episodal but has some really good seasons)... There's probably more but I haven't watched anything in English in years. Pfft.
*shrugs*

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I dropped City Hunter after the first few eps. I find it top rated in almost all kdrama lists but well...You have all surrounded I have watched but I don't think it was a drama to be taken seriously.
I will give a try to others

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@amylovesoppa pffft City Hunter doesn't get glowing reviews from me AT ALL. I just mentioned it because you didn't lol.

You're welcome! Hope you find something~~!

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I am watching The Night manager, I liked it so far. Never really appreciated Tom Hiddleston as Loki in Avengers but here he seems to be a really fine man. His eyes and the way he smiles are really nice.
This was a great suggestion. Thank you so much.

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@amylovesoppa oh you're welcome!
Glad you like it.
Although call that one a suggestion from my super picky brother actually and not me haha. I haven't watched it yet but he said it was good, and he doesn't say that often ๐Ÿ˜‚

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There was this show I tried to watch before in that the lead character has this super memory power. She is somehow involved in some cases and the detective asks her if she remembers something then she starts narrating everything. But as a viewer, my IQ is most probably average and things she is recounting is not shown to us priorly so I got bored after watching one or two eps.

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Have You watched The Closer with Kyra Sedgwick? It's pretty amazing with the mind game and cat and mouse play, and even I Remember You lifted one of the interrogation scene from it.

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Its the first time I am hearing the game.
Thankuuu
I will look up.

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@amylovesoppa Have you tried Woman of Dignity? It's also with Kim Sun-ah and it's also a thriller/criminal.

Otherwise, I can recommend Mistress which was also great (and , if I remember right, only 12 episodes).

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I think I will try Mistress maybe. Woman of dignity, I am not really sure of that.

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Oh I just remembered- Room 9 recently was a thriller? I have no idea what it's like though.

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I watched some eps. Read recaps for the rest. Though the initial concept was good execution wise and plot-wise fell flat and dragged for me. Not the best one in its genre.

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If you like non-Korean dramas can I suggest you bron/broen. It is a Denmark-Sweden production. Though the character is important the mystery and plot are also very gripping.

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Oh good to know haha. I like KYK but wasn't drawn in by the premise :/

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@amylovesoppa mmm I've been meaning to watch some Scandinavian thrillers. I started the Bridge once... don't really know why I didn't finish it though. O_O
I'll keep it in mind thanks!

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You should check out Story of a Man aka The Slingshot!

It's almost ten years old so the cinematography may not be the greatest compared to what we're used to now, but it's still one of my favorite thrillers where both sides are intelligent, therefore the cat-and-mouse game is sooooooo good.

Also see that you mentioned you've watched Signal, Ghost, and Three Days</em, so I would also recommend Sign, which is by the same writer. (I'm also deeply fond of Harvest Villa, which was her first drama, but that's more dark-comedy thrillerish-mystery).

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Whoops forgot to close my em tags but I'm sure you get the gist ๐Ÿ˜

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Story of a Man, is that a drama were kim kang woo was the antagonist. I really liked that drama. He overshadowed the gero's character for me.

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Bit-na's mother is such a terrible person and a hypocrite, she's abusing her child no less than someone she condemns, and the girl seems to have psychological problems bc of that.
And I'm still wondering what Eunho's role going to be in all of this, he was a red flag in the beginning but now it seems like he's not a suspect anymore. Sooo if he's not a villain and is not investigating alongside other main characters how is he supposed to show up in relation to the story? Unless he has a bigger role but that's being hidden for viewers and characters. I think one thing for sure, he was the one to drive and drop Hana at the orphanage, when she was handed to him by the real culprit. Do you remember how he was surprised to know that the body was found was woman's, I think he first assumed it was the man that gave Hana died.

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Could WK has DID (Dissosiative Identity Disorder ), making Red Cry actually her without she even realized it's herself?

This might sound weird and doesn't make any sense, but what if the girl just a symbol of repressed trauma in the children- after all the boy in 1st episode also saw her. And if it's true that WK was abused as a child, it'd explain why she can see the girl- as in a way that she still has that forgotten traumatized child in her.

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Which boy saw her?? Nobody other than CWK saw her till now.

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In first episode, the boy that fell from the stair...wait...i need to rewatch it again if it was the same girl or not.

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It was not the same girl. He saw his sister who died before.
That is why I am so reluctant to accept the theory that GDG is some kind of supernatural entity or astral projection.
She is somehow related to CWK but in a way that can be explained logically.

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@nhia06 Yes, quite a number of Beanies, from previous episodes recaps, have also suggested DID or Split Personality and that WK herself is traumatised. At the moment, this is still looking to be the most likely explanation that takes practically every circumstance and pieces of evidence into account.
- WK is mentally fragile and unstable and could go off the deep end, even be violent herself
- She hates child abusers and privately wants them punished
- She, like Red Cry, knew of So Ra's abuse which So Ra's mum had kept quiet about
- She is either directly connected to victim or perpetrator or in the vicinity of the crime

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Thanks @odilettante.
Reading the comments here amused me because this is one of the times when viewers are united in wanting a crime to be committed against the same character. If ever there was the strongest support for the perpetrator to kill a victim, it's this week, by otherwise charitable, law-abiding and warm Beanies. 😆 The next victim in line is Bit Na's mother, who has totally twisted what love means, in order to serve her own interests, at the expense of her child.

This is a difficult and a powerful tale, and very well told. It impacted my thoughts and entered my dreams, so much so that I dreamt of children and how I was trying to keep them safe!!

So where are we now in the mysteries? Mystery of Red Cry: Anyone who had access to Hanul Center's database might be Red Cry. Red Cry might have intimate knowledge of several abused children and where to find their abusers. Red Cry might be the actual killer or might suggest to vigilantes, how they might get abusers killed.

Mystery of Woo Kyung's past: She is beginning to believe that her childhood memories have been deliberately falsified. She must therefore have had a trauma as a young child that was buried and that started to resurface with Se Kyung's accident.

Assuming that her memory of the younger girl wearing her green dress is true, then her continued appearances have been triggered by Park Shi Hye's getting out of prison and Shi Wan's throwing himself down the stairs. It is likely a memory of another child who was abused in front of Woo Kyung or one WK accidentally hurt badly as a child. Although possibly the phantom girl could be Se Kyung, it's also possible that she might have been another child close to the family.

A question that crops up for me is why WK's step mother is so cold towards her. It's interesting that Step Mum bothers a great deal about Se Kyung and that WK has so much affection for her, but Step Mum has no warmth towards WK at all. And why does WK feel that Step Mum blames her for the her father's death and Se Kyung's condition?

Here's hoping that show continues it's well-paced flow and keeps us in the loop in guessing the answers to all our questions!

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I think that now our sole attention is on children center but with BitNa mother I think there is possibilty that Red Cry is associated with this mother's protest group that she and WK AND the murderous doctor were part of. After all the doctor could get access to center files too.

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@shach That's an interesting observation ... the murderous doctor might have been able to get access to the files. Could Red Cry be a group of people instead of just 1 individual?

Since Red Cry replied to WK's question and said he/she definitely knows who WK is, Red Cry could come from any of the members of Everybody's Child, the parents/guardians of children she counselled, WK's friends and from Center staff. Now even the police know her, so they could also be suspects!

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And putting on my detective hat ;) we now know that Red Cry uses dead people ids to create fake internet accounts, he approached several women in DV chat, his first known to us killing isn't directly related to Hanul Center but to internet group that WK belongs, so his huntings grounds are pretty wide, and it's seems he often looks for willing accomplice to follow with the murder. So it's true that he is after abusers, but he isn't going out of his way to get someone specifically, he more like random murderer striking when opportunity arise.

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Reminds me of having the conversation with the serpent in the Garden of Eden ... he starts out commiserating and locates those willing to dialogue and be manipulated, then injects twisted ideas/lies and temptations into weak minds.

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This episode made me more confused but at the same time it gave some clues to make some guesses.
It's weird but I was thinking that Red Cry is also allied to Ha-jung and her daughter Bit-na. But I'm thinking Red Cry is planning the downfall of Ha-jung.
I'm thinking the Girl in Green is either Se-kyung or maybe a younger sister Woo-kyung had before her father married her stepmother.
And this is weird but I'm theorizing that Red Cry is Woo-kyung's husband because I don't think his post as the Vice President of an IT company is just some decoration (meaning he could access the Child Center's data) and it seems too much of a coincidence that Woo-kyung has all the poems that Red Cry used in her home, if I am not mistaken. But the question is why?

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@sooyi Yes, you've brought up the thought that came to me too ... WK seems to have or to know all the poems. No matter what, every episode will add more arrows pointed at WK. It's either great misdirection or a clear signal. 😅

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I remember CWK asking his help for finding the boy or something. She said something like you know how to do these things. (It happened in the initial eps so my memory is little hazy)

But her husband doesn't seem like a particularly sensitive guy. He seems nice to his daughter and not really aggressive overall.

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Interesting theory. I love reading up on everyone's thories. I honestly would be very surprised, or more like confused, if her husband were Red Cry. The show would have to give a good explanation for that one.

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I'm utterly shocked at the fact that Korean moms lock their kids to study in such claustrophobic space, just so that they could get good grades.

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Here is pretty interesting article about child rearing and child abuse in SK: https://www.koreaexpose.com/children-of-misfortune/

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Thanks @shach Soooo chilling!!!

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omg this is seriously worrisome country of abuser.

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This was a seriously scary article. I remember while I worked in Korea as an English teacher how an 11 or 12 year old girl would tell me about how tired she was from going to sleep late every night studying. She went to school, then to afternoon academies, would get home around 10:30, study past midnight, then go to sleep and wake up around 6a.m. She would mention how she didn't have any friends and that other children weren't allowed in her house. That's nowhere near as bad as anything stated in the article, but I've seen how many of these kids feel suffocated about the system. It's difficult because I'm sure many parents think they are doing what's best for their child without realizing the negative impact they are creating.

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That part in Red Moon is not as common as kids going to cram school or study rooms voluntarily to just study and do homework everyday, after school! Actually locking up anyone in a tiny space for hours is abuse and should not be normally done.

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strongly agree. I don't even know how the kids survive everyday.

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I didn't know such study room existed until the movie "The Throne" about Crown Prince came about. Well, Sado was executed by being locked inside a rice storage box and was starved to death and the reporter was referring to a study room for teenagers that was similar. The movie also drew attention by showing how Crown Prince Sado met his demise (he had a mental illness and he was violent toward the end of his life), which was due to his father forced him to study excruciatingly from a young age and did not let him have his own interests and ideals. Ironically, things are the same even after centuries.

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omg..... idek this part of the history. I think I'm gonna watch the movie now.

I swear korean's education mindset is really extremely traditional or should I say historical. I feel really sorry to the young generation having to suffer so much.

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"in a surprising turn of events for the normally reliable Truck of Doom, " - this is too funny. This is the reason I can NOT skip reading recaps no matter what^^ This show is really intriguing. Half of show is done, but still no idea who the girl in green dress is, who the villain? is.

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I expected @sincerelytod ToD to make a round rejoinder to this protesting that they acted their role to perfection, based on the script that probably instructed them to apply Impact Level 1: "Broken bones and abrasions sans death, with post-impact ability to walk a few paces".

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