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Memories of the Alhambra: Episode 10

Every time I think I know how the AR game works, the rules change, or at least they appear to. But that’s probably the scariest part — are the rules changing, or are they just so complex that our brave protagonist can’t see clues that are right in front of him? What I do know is that you can’t take anything for granted, because just when I think I have it all figured out, something happens that makes me think that in this game, there are no rules at all.

 
EPISODE 10 RECAP

Jin-woo and Secretary Seo had taken the night train to Granada, and on the way, Secretary Seo had mentioned that Se-joo is the highest level player in the game, and wondered if he’s hiding out of fear of Marco. He asked why Se-joo would call them to Granada – maybe another problem? — but Jin-woo had just snapped testily that they’d find out when they got there.

In the morning, they arrive in Granada, and have their confrontations with warriors on the platform (Secretary Seo) and terrorists on the train (Jin-woo). Secretary Seo tries to log out to avoid his attackers, and when that doesn’t work, he rips out his smart contact, but he can still see them coming.

The train pulls out with Jin-woo still on it — his last glimpse of Secretary Seo is of him on the ground surrounded by warriors, and he gets an in-game message that he’s lost his ally. A terrorist shots Jin-woo point-blank in the face, but the bullet stops in midair as the game informs Jin-woo that he’s gone out of bounds.

He calls Yang-joo, who checks the game files and sees that Secretary Seo logged out of the game at Granada Station. At the next small station, he has the attendant call Granada Station, but nobody matching Secretary Seo’s description has been found. Jin-woo leaves his contact information, and he’s forced to wait nearly an hour for the next train back to Granada.

He calls Secretary Seo while he waits, but there’s no answer. He calls Yang-joo again to make a request, but we don’t hear what he asks. The train finally arrives, and on the ride back to Granada, Jin-woo writes out the story of the past year on his phone, the story we’ve been listening to, in case he and Secretary Seo end up dead in Granada.

There’s an incoming call from Hee-joo, which reminds Jin-woo of his overly confident prediction one year ago that by this time, Granada would be famous for magic, and that people would flock there. He lets the call go to voicemail and limps to the restroom as the train nears Granada.

He’s automatically logged into the game and is notified that he has four hours until the Hawk’s Parchment quest expires. The storm rolls in and he pushes his way into the restroom, where he attempts to open the quest. The same tells him that he only gets one shot at it, and he opens the quest.

The small parchment projects a 3D hologram of the Alhambra with a pin blinking at one point, and a simple quest text: “Rescue Master!” The quest recommends four players level 90 or higher, with difficulty level “highest.” The quest officially begins, and the first directive is to go to the Alhambra.

He’s notified that an enemy has appeared, and a scan of the train shows him that he’s facing seven attackers, and the guitar also heralds Hyung-seok’s appearance. Jin-woo steps out of the restroom and almost casually takes out NPC Hyung-seok, then he notices that his limp is completely gone. He summons a second pistol and prepares to meet the game head-on.

He narrates that he was right that Granada has become a city of magic, a crazy place where nothing seems strange no matter how messed up. He opens fire on several terrorists in the train car, taking several seemingly painless shots himself, then hides while the train goes through a dark tunnel. He faces off with another terrorist, and just manages to outshoot him and advance to level 91.

Even though the battle is over, Jin-woo stays on alert as the train pulls into Granada Station, since his injured leg is still working perfectly. He’s carrying a rifle with a scope, and he scans the station platform for enemies, which the game tells him are everywhere. He searches the station for Secretary Seo, but he’s nowhere to be found.

Unable to locate his ally, Jin-woo takes a taxi to the Alhambra. On the way, he stops at the Alcazaba Cafe, the in-game quest hub. On Yang-joo’s suggestion, he approaches the pirates (the Pirates of Malaga, according to the game) that wouldn’t even speak to him at level 4, but this time they look at him with respect.

One of them says that it’s been a long time since he saw a user above level 90, and Jin-woo is invited to join them for a drink. He declines, but he asks their help finding a user called City Hunter (Secretary Seo’s handle, lol). The pirates demand 300 gold to take the job, another 300 as a deposit, and a final 1000 gold when they find Secretary Seo.

Jin-woo pays the Pirates of Malaga what they want, and they eagerly take the job. Jin-woo tells them to send Secretary Seo to the Alhambra when they find him, and they head off on their quest. Almost immediately, the quiet strains of a guitar float to Jin-woo across the cafe — Emma.

Like the first time, Jin-woo says, “Hello, Emma,” and Emma looks up at him. Unlike the first time, she responds in kind, then tells Jin-woo, “This place is dangerous.” He says he came to find her brother, and Emma replies that she hopes Jin-woo finds him.

He asks Emma if he can do it alone, and she smiles as she says he can, and that she’ll be waiting for him to return safely. She fades away, and Jin-woo walks out of the cafe and into an ambush, but he seems calmed and centered after his conversation with Emma and quickly picks off the archers.

He makes his way to the Alhambra (which was originally a fortress, then later its ruins were renovated into a royal palace), slipping past the crowds of sightseers. He finds the area that used to be an underground prison, and a tiny spiral staircase that’s marked by the game as the dungeon entrance.

Jin-woo hesitates as the game alerts him that he can only enter once — he won’t be allowed in again if he fails the quest. His four hours have dwindled down to two, so he enters the dungeon.

It’s dark and cavelike, and eventually he comes upon a game-generated metal gate barring his way. The gate flickers but feels very solid, and beyond, the passage lights up with torches as the game tells Jin-woo, “Welcome to the dungeon of the Nasrid Kingdom.”

The bad news is that he’s forbidden to use any weapons or items that aren’t from Granada. One by one, Jin-woo’s guns, potions, and all of the special items that he got from Yang-joo are automatically removed from his inventory, reducing him to his trusty Black Knight Sword. The gate dissolves and reappears behind Jin-woo — there’s no way out but through, now.

Jin-woo hears a crunching sound, and he turns to find the animated corpse of an Aragon prisoner behind him. AAAACK, zombies! Although Jin-woo takes it down, it’s not easy. As soon as he dispatches the reanimated prisoner, another appears behind him — damn, what hell has Se-joo been living in for the past year?

Eight hours ago, in her home in Korea, Hee-joo was woken by a tapping sound, which lead her downstairs to her workshop door. She opened the door to find Se-joo standing outside, staring off into the distance. He startled a little at the sound of his name, then looked at Hee-joo and says softly, “Noona…”

But it was just a dream. Hee-joo runs downstairs but there’s nobody at the door, and she notices the business card that Jin-woo left her still sitting on her workbench. She remembers him saying that she can watch what’s happening with his Se-joo rescue, so she goes to J.One to see Yang-joo.

He’s been prepped by Jin-woo, so he leads Hee-joo to the elevator, then screams in her face (LOL!) when he gets a good look at the real live inspiration for his favorite NPC. He scurries around his messy office cleaning up, then hurriedly deactivates his projection of Emma when she starts playing the guitar in the corner.

He finally lets Hee-joo in, then blurts out, “Are you married?” He giggles when she says she’s not and stammers that she’s beautiful. OMG Yang-joo, shutupshutupshutup! Weirded out but with no other options, Hee-joo asks about Jin-woo’s quest to find Se-joo and his statement that she can monitor him.

Yang-joo tells her (in rapid-fire nerd speak) that Se-joo created a secret quest that only he knows how to unlock. He says the game’s launch has been delayed, so Jin-woo’s gone to Granada to trigger the quest and find Se-joo. He’s all excited because he gets to watch it unfold with his crush. Right then is when Jin-woo calls Yang-joo to tell him that Secretary Seo went missing.

Meanwhile, Director Park tries to talk Professor Cha into waiting until Jin-woo returns from Granada before calling a board meeting to have him dismissed. He argues that if they can find Se-joo, they’ll be able to solve the issues with the game and release it to the public, and even get answers about Hyung-seok’s death.

Director Park says that if Jin-woo really is mentally ill, he’ll give up on him and support his removal. But he also admits that he still has hope for his friend, making Professor Cha remind him that he even gave up on his own son and covered up his death for the sake of the company. Director Park asks, “I thought you covered it up for Jin-woo?”

Professor Cha mentions that Yu-ra came to see him, so drunk she could barely stand. She accused Professor Cha of being happy she divorced Jin-woo, and told him a “fun story” just between the two of them. Professor Cha doesn’t tell Director Park what she said, but he does say that he had a paternity test done on Soo-jin’s son, thinking that he probably wasn’t of his blood, but he was wrong.

Director Park asks why Professor Cha would think the baby wasn’t his grandchild, and Professor Cha says he doesn’t trust Soo-jin. He agrees to hold off on the board meeting for a few days, looking forward to what Jin-woo finds in Granada.

As Director Park heads back to the office, he gets a message — Jin-woo’s will, the full story of the past year that he wrote out while on the train. He reads it, but he can’t reach Jin-woo by phone. He’s surprised to hear that Hee-joo is in the building at this very moment, and she asks him why Jin-woo hasn’t been reachable since he got to Spain, but Director Park says he’s looking into that himself.

He starts to call Secretary Seo, but Hee-joo tells him that she can’t reach him either, and Director Park starts to look worried. He calls Yang-joo, but he’s been disconnected from Jin-woo’s game feed since he went underground half an hour ago. Yang-joo tells Director Park that Jin-woo and Secretary Seo got separated, so even though the quest is too difficult for one player to complete, Jin-woo was out of time and had to proceed alone.

In Yang-joo’s opinion, the only way for Jin-woo to complete the quest is for Secretary Seo to be found, and for him to go in to help Jin-woo. Director Park refers back to Jin-woo’s will, which says that if he or Secretary Seo dies, or they can’t reach them, to shut down the servers because the game is compromised. But he’d said to give him time to find Se-joo, and only to make that decision after the quest ends.

Director Park goes back to Hee-joo and tells her nervously not to worry, that Jin-woo is just underground. He says it’s only a quest in a game, but his laugh is a bit too forced, which just worries Hee-joo even more. She says that Jin-woo thinks he’ll find Se-joo if he completes the quest, and Director Park eagerly asks if she believes Jin-woo is sane.

He suddenly blurts out everything — that Jin-woo is addicted to drugs and the game, and that the company has given up on him. He whines that Jin-woo blamed his problems on the game, then he took off to play the game when he’s about to be fired.

His voice wobbles as he tells Hee-joo that the company might fold if Jin-woo is right, because it will mean that the game they’ve heavily invested in is a disaster. He says he wants to believe Jin-woo is wrong so they don’t go bankrupt, and because if Jin-woo is right, then he’s on a suicide quest.

He decides that he wants to believe Jin-woo is crazy , and he advises Hee-joo to find her brother some other way. She’s alarmed by Director Park’s talk of Jin-woo dying, unaware that the game is anything but a game. Director Park says that Jin-woo was a great man whose passion built this company, but now he’s sick, and has even convinced Secretary Seo to lie for him.

Suddenly his phone rings with a call from Secretary Seo’s number. Director Park picks it up yelling, but then he goes very quiet, and asks Hee-joo to speak to whoever is on the other end since they’re speaking Spanish. She asks who’s calling, then stares at Director Park in shock.

Jin-woo spends nearly an hour fighting his way through reanimated corpses in the underground dungeon. He makes it to a clear area and stops to rest, but he’s notified that another enemy has appeared. It’s another zombie, and ha, Jin-woo mostly looks annoyed, but more show up until he’s surrounded.

With a muttered curse, Jin-woo starts dispatching zombies. At one point several of them nearly overtake him, but he pulls out a dagger and fights two-handed. The zombies get him up against a metal grate and hold him there, slashing at him over and over until he’s severely weakened.

He finds enough strength to push them off, but he’s literally fighting a losing battle. The game tells him that his ally has appeared, and he sees someone on the other side of the grate fighting back the zombies. He calls out to Secretary Seo with a weak laugh, asking what took him so long, but when he gets a better look, he gets a shock.

It’s Secretary Seo, but he doesn’t look good — he’s battered and bloody, with arrows sticking out of his back. Worse, he’s glitching like the NPCs. Oh no…

Back in Seoul, Hee-joo talks to someone at Granada Station, who tells her that the owner of the phone has passed away. Secretary Seo’s body was found near the train station, lying in some tall grass with his hands still positioned as if holding a sword.

As Jin-woo watches NPC Secretary Seo hack emotionlessly at the zombies, it dawns on him what this means. Tears stream down Jin-woo’s face as he realizes that his secretary — no, his friend — is dead.

Also in shock at the news, Director Park wonders if it’s time to pull the plug on the game, but Yang-joo tells him that Jin-woo still has thirty minutes left in his quest. Meanwhile, Hee-joo runs home and ignores Sang-bum’s questions as she searches frantically for something. She finds a flyer and calls the number on it, speaking in Spanish.

Jin-woo just watches as NPC Secretary Seo calmly kills the rest of the zombies in the room. When they’re all dead at his feet, he fades out. The game tells Jin-woo that his ally may reappear when he’s in danger, but that’s hardly any consolation.

Jin-woo’s health is down to ten percent, and he has less than thirty minutes left to complete the quest. He pulls himself to his feet and continues on, but another wave of zombies approaches, and Jin-woo sighs. He parries one zombie’s swing, but another stabs him in the stomach, and he slides to the floor.

The zombies close in, and Jin-woo braces himself for the end. But a light shines on him, and he isn’t attacked again. He looks up, and what he sees makes his eyes widen in surprise.

 
COMMENTS

Once again, WHAT THE HECK?! This game just gets worse and worse, and now we’re throwing zombies into the mix, which is where I personally nope right out of a game. Poor Jin-woo had to fight through an hour’s worth of reanimated prisoners, and I don’t blame him for looking just plain weary mentally and physically. No wonder the game recommended four players for Se-joo’s rescue quest, and I can personally attest to “group quests” being nearly impossible for one person to complete alone. Thank goodness NPC Secretary Seo showed up to save him, but why?? Why did he have to die? I actually cried when I saw him glitch — I loved him so much, and now he’ll be gone when Jin-woo inevitably shuts the game down. At least he went out like a damn hero.

I’ve been a fan of Park Chanyeol’s for years now — he’s not my main EXO bias, but it’s close! — and I’d hoped that he would have a bigger role in this drama (not to mention that I’m still not over what happened to his character in his last drama that I recapped). But aside from that, Se-joo is a fascinating character that we have a lot to learn from… how he created the game, what niche he intended it to fill, what happened between him and Marco, and why the game allows its players to die and be brought back as vengeful NPCs over and over and over again.

As a gamer myself, there are a lot of problems I can see with a game of this type being actualized in the real world, not the least of which is people running around, waving arms and legs wildly and talking to people who aren’t really there and generally creating public nuisances of themselves. But for the purposes of storytelling, I love how the game weaves the player’s environment and the gameplay together, using the player’s surroundings to create tension and interest. It’s fantastic as a concept, especially since the game, at this point, still appears to be non-self-aware and simply acting on a glitch in programming.

But what’s really frightening is how the game is able, under some circumstances and in some situations, affect the actual physical well-being of its players. It’s glaringly obvious sometimes, such as how Hyung-seok and (supposedly) Marco died while engaging in in-game duels that should have been perfectly safe. But the game also has shown it can injure, like when Jin-woo, Se-joo, and Secretary Seo all keenly felt injuries inflicted by NPC Marco and NPC Hyung-seok, though those injuries were not permanent. It can also, apparently, heal, as it proved in this episode, by giving Jin-woo the ability to walk without a limp while in the game. But I find it truly terrifying that every time we think we know how the game works, it twists things around on us. Secretary Seo is the first player (that we know of) to have been killed by NPCs, and he’s been brought back by the game, but as an ally, not an enemy. The worst part is that now it’s not just players accidentally killing other players, but the game itself can now kill. I don’t know what this means for the future, but I do know that I’m equally excited to see more, and scared to find out what other horrors the game has in store.

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Secretary Seo ... nooooooooo TT_______TT

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NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

SEO JEONG HUN!!!!!!!!!

He deserves his full name. He became more than a secretary. The only one who truly stayed by his side and was his true friend and confidant who believed him. He tried his best to protect him and even now in death is his ally. Ugh I’m crying with you @parksooha13

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When Jin-woo got the message that he lost his ally, I just convinced myself that See-Jo saved him or he can logout from the game but when he showed up to rescue Jin-woo I cried along with him.

Jin-woo just sat and cry and don't have a strength to get up and fight and I just stare the screen with tears swelled up in my eyes. I think this is the first time I hate the writer because she killed him. Is it to much if I hope this is just a fake death just like Kang Chul death in W Two World?

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Also like Kim Boong-do's death in Queen In-Hyun's Man. Writer-nim seem has a track record...

... but yes, this time it is probably too much to hope.

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I've been thinking a lot about the idea of fake deaths in this show. I would not be surprised if that happened, to be honest. I think it would make for somewhat awkward storytelling/writing, but I love Seo so much that I wouldn't even mind that.

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Please let this be fake death...fake death. Poor Seo!

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Jin-woo’s crumpled face was heart breaking. Watching the realisation hit him was very powerful.

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will shutting down the server brings Secretary Seo back?? PLEASEEEEE

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Such an exhausting episode ~

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Oh nooooooo! Just seeing Secretary Seo on the top of this article it almost melted me into tear fest.. 😭😭😭

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I’m crying. This is too much. Why.. Why.. Why.. Sec. Seo. 😭😭😭

I, Secretary Seo take you, Mr. Yoo Jin Woo, to be my lawfully allied, to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death can’t do us part.

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Awwww, laughed and cried then laughed and cried reading your comment. Boo hoo!

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😪

I’ll come back to this drama if Secretary Seo miraculously comes back from the dead. His death was too much of a collateral damage for me - I didn’t know his death would leave such a big impact on me when I wasn’t emotional invested in his character at all. He didn’t deserve to die as a result of genuinely wanting to support his boss all the way through. I’m done with the writer toying with my feelings for this drama.

Secretary Seo - you’ll be missed. The preview looked like people have moved on after you’ve gone, but I can’t. My interest in this drama surprisingly ended with you and your unnecessary death. 💔

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I know what you mean. He was a minor character, in comparison to the leads, but I've been sad about the fact that they killed him off for days. The previews showed like it wasn't a shattering event in the characters' lives. How can we continue watching?

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I’m just gonna cry 😭😭😭😭😭

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When Secretary Seo showed up in the dungeon... I just cried...

The feeling of Secretary Seo's death feels like when we knew Yeok-gwang Hyung died in "The Guest." :((

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I cried when he appeared with those arrows in his back and I cried when I saw Hyun Bin's eyes filled with tears.

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I think when Jin-woo told him it's too dangerous to join the game, it was like a sign that he would end up dead :((.

And his answer really broke me now "I hope I can be a help to you..." And later this really happened when he suddenly appeared and killed all those zombie. Rest in Peace Secretary Seo.

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Me too!😭😭😭.. Luckly I was in my bedroom alone
at that time . Ok to be exact with my kittens.

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That's such a good analogy (Yeok Gwang Hyung and Secretary Seo).....i feel exactly like how you described! And the devastated look in Jin Woo's face just makes me feel worse.

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He lost one and only ally... :( Like when Ha-pyung lost the only one person who always fed him... :(.

wondering why this writer always kills many of her characters... :(

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yeah, what the heck? why put your viewers through the gut-wrenching experience of losing characters?

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to break our heart, LoL...

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*BAWLS*

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Wow didnt expect the search for Se-ju would take this bloody long. After the ending of ep 8 when Ji -woo received Se-ju's message I thought that's it he will appesr soon... lol

I hopr they explain hoe Secretary Seo died. It is obviously inconsistent with what we know drom Cha Hyeon-seok's death.

I like how we finally caught up with the ending for ep 2 with Jin-woo fighting the terrorists on the train.

Lastly, this drama is practically a pre-produced show. They finished wrapped up filming after ep 10 aired, and most of the filming was done before the show even aired.

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"I hope they explain how Secretary Seo died. It is obviously inconsistent with what we know from Cha Hyeon-seok's death." YES! the inconsistency bothers me, too! Oh how I hope this resolves itself differently that how it seems.

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My understanding is that he died because he was in alliance to jin woo (a connection between them, hence he sees NPC Hyeon Seok too and can kill him) vice Vera’s NPC Hyeon Seok can “hurt” him too and in that ambush, it was obvious that the physical hurt was real for Jin woo- if the bullet had gone to him he would die (I believe) so the same rules held for secretary seo
He was of such a higher level though for the NPCs so he could kill them easily Imo but I think the surprise attack by so many of them and that he was shot (he told jin woo it seemed to hurt like mad and real) diminish his fight and I think he was just simply terrified to fight straight as this was the first time he’s “experienced” the real game.

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Yes, a lot of his experience in the game came through being Jin-woo’s ally and being within a controlled environment, ie the abandoned building, rather than grinding through the game like Jin-woo.

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I'm always saying it as "Memories of Alhambra" without the word "the" because in my mind I have been subconsciously thinking that *Al* is already *the* in Arabic. Oh and by the way, the name originated from Arabic الْحَمْرَاء‎ (Al-Hamra) that literally means "The Red One." So when saying "the Alhambra" we're probably saying "The The Red One," hehe... Fun fact for today.

Back to the topic at hand; Seo Biseo, waeeeeee......

Watching him defending Jinwoo with those expressionless eyes was such a profound moment for me. And I can't imagine what was going through Jinwoo's mind at the time. No one has ever had a friend come back from the dead as an augmented reality NPC to protect your life like this before. What a unique and unprecedented moment in drama universe, this is. So utterly devastating.

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You're so right about Alhambra; even in the tranlation notes for tourists they just put it simply as Alhambra.

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If it's English is Alhambra. In Spanish is La Alhambra. When translating Spanish proper nouns to English we take away the article: la, el, lo (the). Example: La Habana (Cuba's capital) in English is Havanna.

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Ah! Like Scottish- saying Loch Lochnagar = Lake Lake Nagar hahahaha

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Or people outside India regularly saying Chai tea = tea tea

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Ahahaha yeahp! Although did you know nearly all languages words for tea come from Ancient Chinese? Including both Chai and Tea?
Dunno why I find the etymology of this word so fascinating but I do. Also this comment is super off topic. Lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_tea

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I understand your point but in this case Alhambra evolved into the name of the building and is now a proper noun. Nouns in Spanish are preceded by the article (la, el, lo). So, in Spanish it is correct.

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Very good point! So sorry about being rather off-topic but I'm finding this conversation thread quite interesting

Alhambra being a proper noun totally makes sense

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So I hadn’t actually seen Sec Seo die before commenting on the last recap so I was just guessing that the NPCs were powerful enough to kill real people. Or a virus/glitch? Being infected my Marco? But omg, I was so affected by his passing, and I attribute that to Hyun Binh’s acting. I get the hype now.

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i'm so glad this role is perfect for him! i was pained trying to watch Hyde, Jekyll & Me... the story was lousy and for some reason Han Ji Min was so pasty pale, she bugged me...

the man hasn't aged a bit since Secret Garden, my gawd...

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For some reason I don’t understand why Hyde, Jekyll, Me was so underrated in Korea. Did something happened in Korea in 2015 that people stopped watching dramas? HJM has an unique story with Hyun Bin playing this chaebol with 2 split personalities and he was superb in both different roles. I fell in love with Hyun Bin all over again after seeing him as that handsome, cold and cynical Goo Seo-jin 😂😍 He was absolutely gorgeous and well polished and slick while Robin was kinda like a nerd. Hyun Bin always looks good in a suit and tie with his hair combed back 😍

The low rating of HJM was a shocker and I am glad there’s no news like Hyun Bin was depressed or unhappy over it....lol

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Ratings can be weird and what affects one show might not affect the other, but in the case of Hyde, it premiered two weeks after the other split-personality drama at that time, Kill Me, Heal Me, where Jisung plays another chaebol with 7 personalities. It's also his reunion drama with Hwang Jung-eum after their crazy melo hit (or was it makjang? I can't remember...) Secret. So that might have pulled the audience to tune in to KMHM's start. Then by the time Hyde arrived, people were already hooked on the crack-y KMHM.

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Not Sec Seo :( Sec Seo was JW's only friend..The way JW called out Jang Hoona..the relief when he saw Seo again, the disbelief at first, the realization, the heart break after he realize Seo is gone...It was heart wrenching to watch the look of utter defeat on JW face. It makes it worse for us because Seo's a favorite character. I was hoping they wont find Sec Seo's body..But.... It is too early not to have Seo in the show. :(

Director Park's blabbering outburst showed he wants to trust his friend too. He is like Hee-Joo. They both want to trust JW no matter what.

I was expecting Emma to go kick ass with JW. Not happening, I guess.

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"The way JW called out Jang Hoona..the relief when he saw Seo again, the disbelief at first, the realization, the heart break after he realize Seo is gone...It was heart wrenching to watch the look of utter defeat on JW face."
Nice breakdown of JW's facial expressions in that scene. I felt it all too.

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I have a feeling Emma did join Jin Woo in the game. Don't worry, it's not a spoiler. But at the end of the episode, he sees a bright light. Whenever we see Emma, she has light coming down on her head. It's both beautiful and haunting how it filters down over her. Anyway, in my opinion, it's possible that Heeju got some information from her brother's notebook, and used it to allow her to enter the dungeon through a back door that programmers sometimes have as a short cut. It may even be some form of god mode that allows you to change the environment in a small part of the game. I can't wait to see what will happen this weekend!

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i think Heeju called somebody in granada (prolly a tourist guide) to check out the dungeons for her. she might've said that her friend is sick or lost n there

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Yes. This is also my prediction, 'coz she's holding (i think) a leaflet. This is logical as she used to work as a tour guide.

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So sad that Seo's death is confirmed. I don't suppose he can somehow come back...

At this point I'm just happy that my monitor setup is so dark that I can't make out any zombies, either watching on Netflix or on the screencaps here.

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The visuals in this drama has been so sophisticated to me up until now. I don't like seeing zombies but these zombies made me laugh for some reason.

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Those zombies scared the begeezes out of me, but then I was watching on a 55 in screen.

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JW has balls o' steel. i dont think i could make myself go down that claustrophobic staircase into the dungeons. i'd rather take zombie!seok any day

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I liked this ep.
I did not want Secretary Seo to die but it gave us some amazing scenes. Visiting the cafe felt like visiting a more innocent time and game. You could see the touches of the young guy who made it.
I so hope that bright light is from our heroine calling the calvary.

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I agree. I was gutted about Seo, so so so gutted, but this episode was really really well done. Visually, emotionally, creatively, all of it. And YES TO THE CALVARY!!

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I knew when he said I will wait outside..I am like noooooo...Don't! Especially after the first attack, I was literally screaming 'Get back in the train NOW'. Like someone smart said 'If people in the horror movie listened to me, they would still be alive'

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I do not wish to offend, but you might consider distinguishing b/w these commonly confused words:
cavalry -- military force mounted on horseback
calvary -- an experience/occasion of extreme suffering
(upper case, Golgotha, the site of the Crucifixion [Luke 23:33])

Good insight into the extreme youth of the game's creator.

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Lol, good catch. Did not even realize I'd done that .

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for some reason jessie j's Flashlight kept playing in my head during that end scene XD

"You're my flashliiii~ght
getting me, getting me through the niiii~ght"

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[Part 1] 1. I'm legit scared that Jin-Woo's limp disappearing might mean he died on that train. I doubt it, since he's a main character, but I'm scared anyway.

2. NOOOO Secretary Seo! I've been all dramatic about the tragedy of Hyung-Seok being trapped as a basic antagonist NPC with all of the depth of a Bethesda villain, but this is a whole new level of tragic.

Seo is now trapped in the game as Jin-Woo's ally, someone who is like a special summon in tight moments. I used to be happy that Jin-Woo finally had an ally on his side, but now I'm just sad. Jin-Woo gets to see his former best friend and his current one die, fight and struggle over and over in the game and usually because of him.

That would make me lose my mind. Big time.

3. So...did those pirates actually 'find' Seo and bring him to Jin-Woo, or was he always gonna turn up because he's an ally and his new NPC coding demands that he appear like a special summon?

4. I'm curious about those zombie NPCs in the dungeon. I don't think they're spectacularly high level – the first time one of them hit Jin-Woo, it didn't put much of a dent in his health bar. Like an eigth at most. The issue and the reason it's a high-level dungeon is because it's a mob.

Enter Seo. Seo...is level 50, right? I would have thought he was still a little too low in level to handle those zombies easily, especially in a mob situation, but he seemed to be really good at hacking through those zombies in short time. Is it because of the computer coding removing human fear, error and sloppiness from the mix or is it something else? Has he really become a special game mechanic, like a limit break or finishing move? This is horrible, even if it saves Jin-Woo's butt it's just too horrible.

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5. “As a gamer myself, there are a lot of problems I can see with a game of this type being actualized in the real world, not the least of which is people running around, waving arms and legs wildly and talking to people who aren’t really there and generally creating public nuisances of themselves”

I completely agree with this. I've never been a multiplayer kind of person, but at least that's a controlled digital environment where everyone knows what they're getting. AR games like this would force other every day people to deal with your flailing limbs, talking to midair and even potentially hurting someone. Hell, Wii Sports was bad enough, when my brother nearly busted my nose during a tennis match.

Any activity like this, which could get in the way of people living their everyday lives, is not something I can get behind.

6. This comment by Papa Cha about his grandson's DNA test seems really pointed. I feel like all is not what it seems here.

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actually, all the people walking & talking on their cells with ear buds seem like CRAZY PEOPLE to me, so having gamers flailing about wouldn't seem very out of place these days.....

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and i almost threw the wii controller at the tv when playing tennis also...
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the pokemon craze was just a small hint of what could have been if games like this is invented (and legalized). at least it was just catching pokes and not like, killing people..

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i'm also disinclined to think he died on the train, but his limp disappearing is definitely a sign of a major shift in the landscape. something changed after jinwoo opened the parchment and started the quest. there were passengers screaming and running when jinwoo burst into the train carriage and started shooting at the NPCs. this is the first time we've seen people in the backdrop reacting appropriately to in-game action. with how everything went back to normal after jinwoo killed the last NPC, it definitely implies the screaming passengers were also NPCs themselves, which then could mean the game evolves with the players as they level up, like the AR world is working towards actualization upon being realized fully by the player.

well, that's a terrifying thought.

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Truly scary. It would make surviving many times harder if you can't even tell what's real and what isn't anymore. Maybe that's the point - Jin-Woo is being attacked not just physically but psychologically

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I made that same comment about the people on the train running and screaming, but my hubby pointed out that they're just NPCs. Once JW defeats the terrorists and you see the train car in it's real world state, it's almost empty.

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yup, but have we seen background NPCs integrated into the game in this manner before? i thought this was a first, and a sign of the game being more fully realized as the player levels up.

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Yeah, I figured that would make the game play more realistic. There would be panicked passengers getting in your way and distracting you. It would make the whole scenario more difficult to play. I thought it was a nice touch.

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But then they are not the only NPCs, even in earlier levels we have side characters filling up the scene

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It’s possible that his limp disappearing is an illusion in the game, and he is actually still limping in real life. Kind of like when an enemy NPC had landed on top of a car, smashing it, but in real life it was just fine.

But the game having that much power to affect your perception of reality is still unbelievably scary in and of itself.

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I’m terrified abt why he stopped limping too
He did have a narrative in that scene saying the likes of in crazy times and a crazy game, crazy things happen with crazy rules. Before that he told his developer subordinate that there’s something he need to do, I’m just thinking, he asked him to write into his “profile” that he has no limp and fully recovered (since that’s crazy and in crazyland anything goes) it worked perhaps? Does that mean he is completely “in the game”
Or does that mean I’m going crazy 🤦🏼‍♀️

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@alex8825
About 3) I've been thinking that it took time for the pirates to locate and deliver City Hunter to Alhambra dungeon.

4) It sure looked like NPC Seo had resurrected (arrows and all!) and was changed to be a killing machine. He no longer evinced pain or tiredness and just hacked those zombies relentlessly without pause. I wonder if NPC Seo could actually be defeated, except by higher weapons?

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I'm wondering this too. His level is not as high as Jin-Woo's, those NPCs should have been too difficult for him in a level 90+ dungeon. Jin-Woo trying to solo it was ridiculous enough (in most games I've played, it's usually best to be 30-40 levels above the required level of the dungeon to even attempt to solo it without special or legendary gear), but Seo being the killing machine we saw was too much for his level.

It's why I wondered if he's become a 'special move' or a limit break that gets activated in moments of low health or desperation.

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Yes, game did say he would show up again when Zinu was in danger. His level probably doesn't matter anymore, but why would that be if Cha's level remains constant?

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Yeah, this is what I'm wondering. Usually in games, NPCs are level-locked, but in some games there are NPCs - usually followers and companions - who will level with you. Maybe Seo is like that now?

As for Cha, maybe he might be able to level up if he was actually able to win a battle. But both Jin-Woo and Seo have been defeating him, and they're his only targets, so until he was able to beat one of them he wouldn't level up

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That's true, but in video game logic there's still a big disparity between level 50 and a dungeon that's level locked at 90+. Whether the AI is smarter, has more health, is an overwhelming mob or is a bullet sponge, the difference is enough that in a real video game (and if Seo wasn't an NPC himself, I guess) he wouldn't last a minute.

And dungeons typically have enemies/situations that are much harder than randomly encountering an enemy on the map, I can't count the amount of times I got wiped out in dungeons even when five or more levels higher than the minimum requirement and having a team with me

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I’m sorry but having a kissing scene the episode after secretary seo’s Death is NOT right! I’m indignant abt that!

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the way his face fell when he realized junghoon came back as an NPC. oof, that shit hurt.

i think jinwoo x extensive therapy is going to be my otp in this one.

also, i never understood the hype around hyun bin, but i think i've finally seen the light. that single tear rolling down his cheek could not have looked any better than it did on his chiseled, handsome face.

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I am just going to chuckle about this for awhile.

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😆 I like your last sentence haha

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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i am seeing the light with you

and apparently jinwoo too lol

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Now we know; as the players getting into higher levels/uplevel, its not just the undead NPCs but the enemies created by the Creator can cause real death to the players too.

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Thanks @lollypip I was feeling so stressed throughout the episode, hoping against hope at first that Sec Seo was OK. I was as devastated as Jin Woo when it was confirmed that he had died. This game has become so chilling and so dark, that those light moments with Hee Ju and Min Ju previously, practically feel out of place.

This is a scary self-learning AI (what I'm guessing is running the quest), discovering how to kill in real life and inconsistent as well! IE sometimes it is subject to the rules of the game and sometimes not. All the way in Korea (outside the boundary of Granada), it sends JW on the quest in Granada, yet in Spain, when he is out of Granada the game recognizes a boundary and stops the action.

Also, I still can't figure out when Jin Woo feels the pain and when he doesn't, now both happen during the quest. And how/why he can walk without his stick since previously he still had to use it while battling assassins. Wasn't he still using his walking stick while on the quest before this?

The only rule I'm glad the quest has retained is that an ally remains an ally, even a dead/NPC one. Imagine the horror if Sec Seo became a zombie and turned against Jin Woo instead!!

At this stage, with the game being so major a player in itself, I feel that I will begrudge any time spent on other parts of the story. I no longer care about Hee Ju or the company or the ex-wife. I just need to see the game come to a proper resolution and preferably have Jin Woo and maybe Se Ju brought out safely. Any other sweet, romantic moments or moments of levity will fall flat in the face of so much suspense.

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Answers regarding your questions that I’ve been pondering about...

1. I think it makes sense that the game stopped outside Granada because the server was built by Se Ju to function in Granada, and J One built a south korean server. So the game only runs in both Granada and South Korea (excluding Cha NPC which breaks all the rules)

2. Why did his limp disappear? No idea...my Guess is that If the game can hurt physically, it can restore physically as while?

Totally agree on no longer caring about hee ju or the ex Wife. I still care abt the company because it ties in with Jin Woo. This is mainly a story about Jin Woo (the protagonist) and the game (the antagonist). The romance is secondary...I don’t want them to spend any more screen time on PSH!:( get back to the game!!!

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Regarding point 1. If the server is built to function in Granada, is it safe for me to assume it is also physically located in Granada? And SJ made the game in Granada, i cant imagine the server being somewhere else 😅

I've been wondering about who will kill the server, since JW wrote in his 'will' to shutdown the server if he is out of contact or dead.

He told the his friend in Korea to shutdown the server. But do they even know where the original game server is? Huhu

Or am i thinking too far lol.

Agreed on focusing on the game. I want the issues with this game to be resolved.

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I wondered about that too... Where is the original game server? Would that info have been in the stuff that JW stole off of the computer at the hostel?

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Dang, I missed that. Which episode did JW steal computer info at the hostel?

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@jointedlegs @katakwasabi

From the fact that Yang Joo from the beginning was able to create a safe place for Jin Woo to play and level up, and that he can see if players are logged in or not, means that JOne has always had access to the server (access probably given in Se Ju's email to Jin Woo) which I guess is in the Cloud. A few of us have been wondering if JOne gave Se Ju the environment in which to develop his game. If so, then they can probably shut it down as it's their own server. If not, then not sure how it's going to pan out.

The server, in the Cloud does not need to be physically in Granada, but it tracks the location of the player and seems to be able to set boundaries for the game.

Se Ju must have given JOne a high level development team access rights, since Yang Joo could create player IDs and add weapons, etc. I'm not sure if their access is high enough to shut down the server though. There were a few things that Yang Joo said he could not do in the early episodes. The access rights of the Super User only, may be able to shut down the server remotely.

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But how or when did SJ give access to JOne? They were not even able to meet up. The dude has been lost for 10 eps 🤣

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I think when Jinwoo bought over the license access was granted to his company?

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@katakwasabi @geraldine
At a guess, I think Se Ju's email gave JOne the link to the server with the login access that would give them some of the rights. Also, the game was already able to interact with JOne's lenses, which means that they must have had some kind of collaboration for testing (at least Se Ju and Marco played and tested).

Even Hyung Seok was able to play the game and get to Level 4. So game access was given. But Yang Joo was able to do more on the development end, which means he had admin access as well.

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@geraldine
While buying over the hostel and the license should have given the rights to Jin Woo, Se Ju was not present to pass it over at that stage and Hee Ju knew nothing of it, so ... ??? many questions remain.

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Jin Woo accessed Se Ju’s computer - and probably downloaded all the gaming code necessary to run it... he only bought the license to legally run it. And transferred all the files over to J One.

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@geraldineleexy But according to Marco, they had never even talked to JOne, he just had Jin-woo’s number, which Sejoo stole off of Marco after he killed him to call Jin-woo. So, it looks like that initial pay-phone call was the first time either of them had spoken to each other. And the lenses didn’t come into play until after Jin-woo got to Grenada because everything had to be uploaded to them that first night. (Remember the raymeon scene? He was waiting for the call to tell him the game had been uploaded.). I still don’t know how the other two guys were playing the game. We never are given what “seeing” apparatus they were using, it’s just conjecture at this point.

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@ally-le The confusion cropping up now is that we only had Jin Woo's 'delusions', as he calls them, to guide us here.

It's probably true that Marco was about to go to JOne before he got killed. Hew was likely going to play 1 rival against the other in a bidding war for Se Ju's game. However it's not known if Se Ju killed Marco virtually or in reality, or if the killing was someone else's job.

Before he got killed, he was able to convey to Se Ju the deal that Hyung Seok was willing to make, but it didn't sound above board to him and SJ disagreed that Hyung Seok should have his game.

However Marco died, Se Ju got hold of JOne's number and email. He sent the email to Jin Woo and then called him that first and only time. The thing is, Jin Woo seemed to know how to login with the lenses and everything. Se Ju had been allowed to have JOne's smart lenses incorporated into the game playing ... so there should have been some indirect contact and getting permission and the lenses, with Se Ju beforehand?

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" And the lenses didn’t come into play"
thaat might've been where Prof Cha stepped in (still thinks he's the root of all evil happening here)

it's just not feasible that a 17 year old boy, alone, with no financial backing to make a complete game of that caliber (all 100 levels!) all on his own.. game companies have teams constantly working on a game and invested millions before it was anywhere ready to be played

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I don't think that the physical barrier of Granada is what stops the action once he leaves the city. It's because Jin Woo has already started a timed quest whose location is based solely in Granada. Because of this, if he goes "out of bounds" the quest stops. It restarts again when he gets back into Granada. Sadly, the timer doesn't stop if he's out of bounds, and he still only has a total of 48 hours to complete the quest.

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MotA is not as awesome as I believed it would be from the first 4 epsiodes but once I reigned in my expectations, its delivering sufficiently. This is Jinwoo's story only and all other characters are minor, including the female lead.

I did FF through the whole episode but I still liked it. I am weird like that hahaha.

The number of dead bodies throughout the show is reminding me of Shakespearean tragedies though! I still hope that Secretary Seo somehow comes back to life!

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Uh someone needs to ACTUALLY be a murder if we go Shakespearean *cough* Kdrama version of Macbeth anyone? *cough* no wait I'm still scarred from that horrible modern retelling I watched in High School with James Macavoy and kitchen knives... never mind.

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Murderer* lol

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A moment of silence for the loyal, friendly secretary who deserved better *sobbing* 😭

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Just last week I was envy of Secretary Seo for being able to afford Lexus sport car and see Jinwoo's dimples everyday. Now I doubt I would stick to my job if my life is at stake. Does he really have to die T T whyyyy T T Yes, he died heroically... but whyy T T

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Unfortunately Seo didnt die heroically. He died trying to save his own life. But his alter ego 'zombie seo' did heroically saved JW from being eaten alive by those zombiesssss 🧟‍♂️🧟‍♀️

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Ah, you have a point. But he did die while on duty, so... I'd still give him credits for that 😀 Zombie Seo scene is heartbreaking T T

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He was rushing in back to the train to help jin woo when thunder struck. He died in combat that’s the same as dying for your country (or in his place, dying heroically for Jin woo) I think his death will be quite pivotal for Jin woo

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Seo died lonely just like Cha. Its a sad sight to see huhu. He did die during the job so his family could claim insurance, provided it is investigated properly.

I do agree it might be a pivotal point for JW, hopefully he doesnt brush this under the rug like what he did with Cha's death. I will not forgive him if he does 😠

P/s: An example of dying heroically in a kdrama is this hehe

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" But that’s probably the scariest part — are the rules changing, or are they just so complex that our brave protagonist can’t see clues that are right in front of him?"

My question is "Is the writer changing the rules and logic at will or does she really have a complex yet tight story because I can't make sense of any of it at all."

I do like mysteries that make me think but I need to have assurance that the plot is tight. Otherwise, it's a waste of time. When the show started, I was piqued. I made some speculations of what's going on and also enjoyed reading other beanies' take on it. However, the niggling feeling that writer didn't quite have it all together crept in.

I may be wrong and perhaps everything will make sense in the end. Already past the half way mark, I think that the show had better give some glimpses to what's going on. I dislike when the big reveal is shown only at the end especially when the writer is shown to have bent rules and logic to make it work.

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Whilst I'm not trying to really make sense of this show (how can I with my wall posts LMAO), I did have this hypothesis around episode 4, ... That things don't need to make as much sense in horror as sci fi, because it's horror; When it doesn't make sense it's supposed to be scariest because then it's unpredictable and the conflict doesn't have to rely on the same kind of logic based reasoning sci fi does. Obviously you still have to have some things makes sense, but you have a bit more leeway for the weird and creepy.
Which is why I think this show should've gone MORE horror (sorry to the people who can't handle it), because it would help this writer and her wack writing.
However I don't think the writer has that in mind, even with her horror elements, and I don't think it will make sense at the end either. But for now- any unknowns and illogical things that happen in the game particularly, what I don't ignore or make fun of, I simply go "oh the horror game that could've been".
But that's just my wild hypothesis and I don't like justifying writing mistakes with un-canon theories if I can help it.

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I have the same issue as yours. A part of me is believing that the writer has everything planned perfectly so I just have to sit back and enjoy the ride, but a part of me also scared that thinking that way just gonna put unnecessary expectation on the drama which I could end up feeling disappointed, so I shouldn't waste time trying to piece everything together. Currently leaning towards the latter, and although I am enjoying the show without these unnecessary expectations, I feel like I am not wholeheartedly into this drama because I'm not getting into the mystery part of the game. So while watching this drama, I found myself going back and forth between wanting to think about the plot and the mystery behind the game, and at the same time restraining myself from doing that so that I won't get disappointed if the story isn't a well thought story.

I like the story...I really do. I just wish I could immerse myself in the story without restraining myself from possible future disappointment.

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I've said it before -- I fear the writer may have made things too complicated and outsmarted herself.

But there's hope. Maybe she learned from reactions to W. And eps 1 & 2 made more sense after seeing 9 & 10, so maybe 10 will make sense later too.

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"Maybe she learnt from reactions to W"... we can... only.... hope

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maybe the Dad actor from W will remind her since he's playing another Dad actor in this one....

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"But there's hope. Maybe she learned from reactions to W"
-I hope so. But I don't think I can let my guard down, not until all episodes air 😅

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Damn Deja vu...... Is it juvenile of me to get a bitter satisfaction out of all the suppositions and arguments flailing around with each new episode of MotA?! This show gives me massive flashbacks to W and the lengths we went to to make sense of it, til it didn't.

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I've been burned by these writers too many times. I HOPE she knows what she's doing, but I'm bracing myself for a lot of disappointment now.

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Sadly by episode 10, I don’t believe that there’s a purpose when rules have changed in her plot. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t but I’m not sticking around anymore to find out.

Also, I’m honestly not a fan of its story telling - when scenes always have to go back hours/days before things happen and then jump back again to the present time. I mean this trick worked at first. I liked the thrill when we went back in time and things were explained to us through flashback, but they always do this in every episode that I grew tired of it, and I just wanted a narrative that flows and not cut short cuz we keep rewinding to the same scene we already saw. 😪

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I don't like excessive time jumps and being shown the same scenes with extra bits added.
Still, this is still the most exciting and beautifully-shot drama, I just pretend I'm smart enough to follow through all the time jumps, and ignore the little plot holes.

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@outofthisworld @sicarius @lordcobol @hikarinw
I've been expecting the change in rules from the beginning, because of my 'W' experience (I ended up dropping that show). I've been thinking that writer usually has pretty good ideas and what looks like kickass logic for the real world to bleed into the virtual, at the beginning, which are well executed. However somewhere down the line, things get so convoluted that she starts flailing and throwing in any new twist as she goes on, maybe to keep us strung along, filled with suspense and dying to know the reasons why things change. But it could be that there is no explanation, because probably there was no more logic behind the later shifts. They were just fun twists to throw into the plot, when the original logic could not longer be supported.

By the end of the whole thing, viewers are so exhausted by the continually stronger foe who keeps gaining power and beating down the hero, that all we want is for the protagonist to get out safely and hang the logic. ;-( Well, no actually, I don't think any of us wants to hang the logic, but if we can only choose 1 thing and can't have both a saved hero and a logical explanation, then at least let's have the hero back in 'real reel life'!!!

That could be what writer will go for in the end, if she's written herself into a corner and can't get out logically. But yes, let's be positive and hope (that I'm wrong!) for a good and logical conclusion.

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@growingbeautifully- whilst you were expecting a change, I was simply expecting no reasoning or answers atll from the beginning hahaha - also because of W and all the reasons you mentioned.
I think she tends to not know how to write in her own worlds essentially. Like you said she starts off with good ideas, but can't follow them through. Because she probably never sits down to figure it out, and thus her plots fall apart in the later halves.

I'm not watching this show for any modicum of sense anymore, and I never really was, so I don't really mind the no logic- it doesn't effect my viewing at this point. I was expecting it. But that's why I can see the perfect horror story out of this. Or even if she embraced no logic, and made no logic her... logic, she might get away with it. But I'm not really sure even she knows where she wants her stories to go.

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This is what I've been feeling worried about. The fact that I have to accept that maybe somewhere down the line the writer overestimates the plot she's throwing in the story and ended up being too much for her. I am still reserving my judgement considering I can still enjoy the drama, but it feels a little bit empty because I cannot fully trust the writer and the story (that's what W did to me).

I guess at this point I don't even know what I want with the story. I want some 'logical' explanation about the game and these 'glitches' they're experiencing including the deaths the players, so I guess we have to wait to see if there's any. And of course, with Jin Woo back in health and flashing his mesmerizing dimples everytime he interacts with Hee Ju and her family....

Or...maybe I should start categorize this drama into makjang territory. That'll be easier to accept whatever explanations they have.

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@hikarinw You and me both.
What I want is a sensible resolution. Preferably with both Se Ju and Jin Woo back in the real world and able to totally divorce themselves from the game ... ie no auto login without the lenses. However if the plot is going the angsty and difficult route, then the sensible resolution might be that Se Ju or Jin Woo or both get locked into that game or they lose their minds. Not the ending I'd want but if it's logical then so be it.

What I do not want is a forced ending that goes against all the logic (assuming we agree that there is some logic?), just to be sweet and pat.

At one time, DB used to comment on the term 'makjang' saying that it has a specific meaning with regard to certain types of kdramas. I know what you mean, and I think we are probably able to categorize it into 'sci-fi - thriller-melodrama' 😉

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I am not sure what DB's concept on makjang, and I probably having a misconception that makjang simply means crazy. I dont know. I could be wrong with the term, but that aside I think categorizing this drama into "crazy" territory probably gonna helps me making it easier to accept that the logic is simply not exist (which mean the writer can throw whatever plot she wanted and I wholeheartedly accept it, no logic needed).

Wow...look at me! I think I finally reach to a conclusion!

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Despite how crazy W went into the last few episodes I gave the writer a lot of credit for the creative premise and the story.
I rather watch such dramas fly and burn and applaud for the effort then sit through the usual lackluster drama through my drama slump.

No matter how this ends;
1. It’s had a Great creative concept
2. It had Hyun Bin on top form
3. It broke my heart with secretary seo

And I want my revenge on game for it

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@stardust
Yeah, I've actually enjoyed this show while snarking on the side, so it's all good!!!

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@hikarinw
You've come to a conclusion that gives you peace. That's great! 😁

DB says: "makjang :: a sylistic, tonal, or narrative element in dramas that chooses to play up outrageous storylines to keep viewers hooked despite how ridiculous the stories become (adultery, revenge, rape, birth secrets, fatal illnesses, and flirting with incest possibilities are some makjang favorites). Shows can be part of a makjang class of dramas (Wife’s Temptation is a makjang series), or they can have makjang tendencies (Mary Stayed Out All Night went makjang toward the end). Generally considered a negative thing (“Gah, how makjang can you get?”), unless a drama intentionally embraces the style (such as Baker King Kim Tak-gu or Flames of Desire)." This is found in the glossary: http://www.dramabeans.com/about/glossary/ 😃

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@stardust couldn't agree more with you. I finally able to go out from my drama slump, I should give credit to this drama for that!

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@growingbeautifully thanks for the explanation. With the examples given, MoTA might be not that far from that territory.

That is, if until the end this drama doesn't give plausible explanations, I'll definitely gonna place this drama into my makjang drama folder (I think I am doing it right now😅)

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@growingbeautifully
@doubt no more
I know right, there are dramas that we squee over, dramas that we cry over, dramas that invoke endless discussions and dramas that we bitch over. Average dramas we just watch and noom along. moa is definately not one of those haha
It’s always love that makes one critical - I’m grabbing my pop corn and see how this story all ends up

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@stardust
"I rather watch such dramas fly and burn and applaud for the effort then sit through the usual lackluster drama through my drama slump."

I'm 100% with you on that. This concept is really fresh and really well done no matter where the storyline goes.

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@growingbeautifully to be honest, I don’t think we’re gonna get an explanation for the glitches 😝 and why the game can cross into reality. it’s just gonna be due to Alhambra being a “magical place”... but that’s a loop I’m willing to overlook for the fantastic suspense and drama and creativeness and character development (well, only of Jin Woo) and that drool-worthy acting of Hyun Bin that it’s giving me steadily each week :P if they categorised it under “fantasy” I think the drama doesn’t need much to explain itself.

Someone also commented previously that the ending could be like “Jumanji” - complete the game, win, and everything rewinds itself to the beginning without the consequences. The only players who retain the memory are those who played it and won. (Although Jin Woo would prob go mad from being the only one who remembers). I think that’s a fantastic theory. And it truly would be “magical”.

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How about there’s no game at all after all. At the end Jin-woo woke up from a bad dream after that call from Se-joo in episode 1. He went back to sleep after Se-Joo hang up and dreamt it all...as we know Jin-woo has the talent at developing games too, even in his sleep. Lol

This is the only way to bring back Seo Jung-Hoon alive..and of course Hyung-seok too. 😂

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SEO JEONG HUN!!!!!

Sobs.

You know how liked a character is if viewers laments his fictional death 😢

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Did Seo really need to die writer-nim? What benefit would his death bring to solving this game?

At this point i think writernim wants JW to suffer so HB can show his acting chops. He does cry well. Huhu

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Note to Dramabeans editors - please create a "most lamented death" category for next year's end of the year beanie awards, and start the list with Secretary Seo.

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Noooooooo! Why show, why??? What have Secretary Seo done to deserve this??? Huhuhu!

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I can't even remember what happened in this episode... what happened in this episode? Oh yeah Zombies. And Jeffrey the Game: 3, Jinwoo: 0

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*snort* Jeffrey the Game

And as long as I'm here,
Zombies 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

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Just make multiple logins and send in bots into the program!!!

Jeez, solution is fairly simple instead of killing puppies

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Apparently there’s a much easier solution to this - shut the f server down. That stupid thing does actually exist and they have it all this time. Smh. He said in his will “if one of us dies” - I’m so mad that he already saw this one coming, he knew the possibility of Secretary Seo dying in this game, but he still took the risk and didn’t shut down the server in exchange of saving Se Joo. A guy he never met and is completely not related to him at all 😪

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My theory why he needs to find/rescue Se-joo first before shutting down the server aside from the obvious reason (to redeem himself from Hee-joo’s perceptions of him), is to be able to understand the nature of the game and if there’s something that can be done to fix the game. He is after all a businessman who invested billions in this game only to have it scrapped as Director Park said.

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Right. Exactly. He didn’t want to admit that his biggest investment and prediction went haywire and is beyond recoverable. Typical businessman mindset - “I can still solve this and find a way out”. Just like what his Hyung said too - he didn’t want To believe Jin Woo completely cuz that would mean their company tanks.

And yeah Jin Woo did promise Hee Joo he’ll get Se Joo back alive at all costs. His determination to solve the puzzle of this game meant letting Secretary Seo be a sacrificial lamb. He treated the life of his secretary as yet another business risk. I guess he was a pawn in the grand scheme of things for Jin Woo and that riled me up. 😣

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more than that.. if i am in a game where i killed someone, my ex best friend..

i would really want ot know what just happened.. its not as easy as "ok this is a game it kills lets shut it down and not bother to find the original programmer given this murderous game is booked under my name"

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I don’t think he planned to put Secretary Seo’s life in danger. He isn’t a pawn in his business as well. He truly cares for Secretary Seo. I think he believed that Jeonghun can help him in the quest.

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i don't agree that jinwoo thought of junghoon as dispensable. jinwoo's been reckless and self-destructive since he left granada, but i don't think he has been driven by the fear of the company tanking or salvaging his business acumen as he failed to recognize what a colossal disaster this investment would turn out to be. he hasn't cared about those things for a year now.

junghoon had been with him for a long time, and jinwoo clearly saw him as more than just his secretary. you can see it in his eyes when the realization that junghoon died hits him in the dungeon. this is the first time we've seen him truly defeated, resigned to whatever monstrosity is going to land the final blow on him. i don't think we've seen him more heartbroken in the show, he did not care if he died when he got back up, he probably wanted to actually.

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@dogemama @gemwendz this post goes back to my original reply when I said his will “if one of us dies” made me mad. He clearly knew right then that there was a possibility that Secretary Seo could die and he still took that chance. Perhaps my 2nd comment came off as harsh and unforgiving when I know myself too that Jin Woon does care for the people who care about him. I’m just saying at the end of the day, he still chose this route and that one of them did die. I don’t know what other way his death could have prevented, I’m no writer nor do I make big decisions impacting people’s lives, but Jin Woo went on to this quest to try and save “everybody” when he knows that there is that risk that he and Secretary Seo could die. It’s a matter of everyone vs 2 people’s death I guess. And sadly, Secretary Seo’s death is the collateral damage.

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@13infamyss i am with you on that. jinwoo has been in a constant state of turmoil and uncertainty, so i don't think his decision making is at its best right now.

about the will though, didn't he start writing it AFTER he lost junghoon at the granada train station? it doesn't mean much in the end bc junghoon is still dead, but he only considered the possibility one or both of them may die, after junghoon got struck down by the NPCs. he could have never anticipated regular NPCs would wield the power to kill, so the sense of danger may have been muted.

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but you miss the timing of that sms.. he sent that only after he got separated, not before that. So, death became a real concern after separation and then that was the right decision

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@dogemama @alasecond Ahhh! My bad, now that I remember, that will was indeed written up after they both got separated. 😑😑 ignore my argument then.

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JW doesn't give the appearance of someone trying to save his business. It is almost a personal quest finding did he really cause his (ex)best friend's death? Is he really a murderer? The other reason is to save Se-Joo. Without finding the answers it is impossible for him to tell what happened to Se-Joo. He cant shut down the server if the game is the only way to find Se-Joo. But he is willing to lose Se-Joo if there is one more death in the game. He also mentioned his death in the will. He truly was in suicide mission. He probably didn't see loosing Seo this soon and this quick. JW stopped being just a businessman when he lost his best friend. He is just a broken man trying to solve a puzzle to save life, not to make money.

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that actually won't help.. if this is AI and on internet, one server is probably no more that solution to this

n i doubt they will be able to shut down the server and thereby the game completely

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Agreed. Shutting the server down would shut out the players that still require log-on to access the game, but for Jin-woo who can auto-log on, the game has augmented itself to become his reality and Se-joo’s as well. He’ll still be stuck in game-hell. And real people will still keep dying.

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