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The Crowned Clown: Episode 3

Thank goodness our little clown-turned-king has some strong supporters, because he seems determined to get himself into trouble. He ignores their advice and puts himself in scary situations, and his allies are kept busy running around trying to clean up his messes. But the mock king is no fool, and when things don’t go quite as he planned, he’s willing to change tactics in order to do the right thing.

 
EPISODE 3 RECAP

Ha Sun escapes from the palace and reunited with his troupe, only to learn that his little sister, Dal-lae, was raped by Minister Shin’s son. His confrontation with Shin Yi-geom ends in failure and humiliation, so he makes his way back to the palace.

Minister Lee finds him in the throne room, once again wearing Yi Heon’s royal robes. He asks why Ha Sun came back, and Ha Sun says darkly,”I returned to find a way. A way to trample someone until he stops breathing. Teach me the way.”

Minister Lee laughs, then he snatches the sword out of Ha Sun’s hand and points it at his throat. Ha Sun trembles, but he raises his chin and actually takes a step towards Minister Lee, making him back up uncertainly.

He says that for Yi Heon’s sake, Minister Lee can’t kill him, and a tiny light of respect enters Minister Lee’s eyes as he asks what Ha Sun wants. Ha Sun says that he’ll do whatever Minister Lee says, even die, but on one condition. Minister Lee guesses that he wants to use the power he’ll have as king to kill someone, and he asks who it is.

Ha Sun tells him that his sister was brutally violated by Minister Shin’s son, Yi-geom, and Minister Lee looks horrified. Ha Sun gasps that he wants to make Yi-geom wish he was never born, and he asks Minister Lee what he’ll do — kill him, or help him now and sacrifice him later on behalf of the king.

Minister Lee chooses the latter, and a few minutes later he meekly follows Ha Sun outside. He tells Eunuch Jo to let Ha Sun be alone today, then the young guard, whose name is Jang Moo-young, asks to speak to Minister Lee about Gye-hwan, the maid who was poisoned. He leads Minister Lee to another part of the palace, where another maid, the one who poisoned the food, hangs dead.

Court Lady Kim informs Minister Shin that the king refuses to see anyone, even her, and they wonder if the queen dowager killed the second maid to silence her. Minister Shin belatedly asks why the king won’t see Court Lady Kim, and she reports that he hasn’t even asked her for drugs in the last few days.

Minister Shin grumbles that his sudden sobriety must be the reason he spared the life of Queen So-woon’s father. He reminds Court Lady Kim that her job is to keep the king drugged so he doesn’t focus on court affairs.

Three men follow Minister Lee to the gibang where the clown troupe were staying. He asks Woon-shim where Dal-lae disappeared to last night, and when she says she doesn’t know, he can tell she’s lying.

But Woon-shim says that he’s the one who taught her to hide what she knows to survive, when a lord named Gil Sam-bong passed away. At his look of shock, she points out that he’s survived the same way, and he says that her tongue is sharp enough to kill.

Still holding the two yang that Minister Shin gave him as payment for Dal-lae’s virtue, Ha Sun thinks about last night. It had been Woon-shim’s idea for Gap-soo and Dal-lae to go into hiding, fearing for their safety. She’d led Gap-soo out of the city, carrying a sleeping Dal-lae on his back, and Ha Sun had sobbed again as he took one last look at her poor little battered face.

Gap-soo had acknowledged Ha Sun’s rage and desire for vengeance, but he hadn’t understood what Ha Sun could do to make Yi-geom pay for what he did. Ha Sun had simply told him to follow his instructions if he wants to live, and he’d promised that he’d return to Gap-soo and Dal-lae alive.

Today, Eunuch Jo asks Ha Sun why he returned when he could (and should) have run away. Ha Sun says that he returned to repay what he owes, and he asks when Minister Lee will be coming back to the palace.

Minister Lee takes Ha Sun’s request to Yi Heon, who laughs at the upstart clown, but Minister Lee points out that Ha Sun has agreed to die in his place if necessary. Yi Heon is still angry that his order to have Minister Yoo beheaded was changed to banishment by Ha Sun, so he doesn’t trust him not to rebel. He even accuses Minister Lee of plotting with Ha Sun, but he suddenly becomes very fearful that someone might hear them talking.

Minister Lee tells him not to worry about the head monk, but Yi Heon gasps, “Not him. Yul. My brother Yul is back. He must have faked his death and come back to haunt me.” He starts to frantically search the room, then huddles in the corner, shaking and demanding that Minister Lee find Court Lady Kim and make her bring him his opium pipe.

Worried, Minister Lee leaves. The head monk explains that he took away Yi Heon’s pipe, so Yi Heon went to the temple looking for drugs. They found him passed out in the mountains, and since then he’s been having auditory hallucinations.

As the monk used to be a physician, Minister Lee entreats him to cure Yi Heon, and the monk asks who Yi Heon is that Minister Lee cares so much about his recovery. Minister Lee tells him that Yi Heon helped him escape from prison after Lord Gil Sam-bong died, by having Lord Gil’s body embalmed. Okay, there must be a lot more to this Lord Gil story.

The queen dowager is indeed behind the attempted poisoning, and she tells her lady not to worry too much that it failed, because they still have a long way to go. Her lady presents her with a box of dried flowers, and the queen dowager nods darkly.

When Minister Lee returns to Ha Sun, he’s unhappy that Ha Sun hid Dal-lae. Ha Sun relaxes when he hears that the king doesn’t object to his plans (though it’s more like he can’t object). Minister Lee says they need to find out who wants the king dead, and Ha Sun also wants to identify who killed Gye-hwan, the maid.

Minister Lee instructs him to visit the queen dowager tomorrow after breakfast, explaining that she would choose a successor should the king die and telling Ha Sun to deliberately make a huge fuss. When he arrives at the queen dowager’s quarters, So-woon is waiting to visit the queen dowager with him.

It’s been two years since the king visited the queen dowager, and she notes that he seems better than the last time she saw him. Her lady serves tea to Ha Sun and So-woon, but Ha Sun just stares at his cup accusingly. The queen dowager asks if he thinks it’s poisoned, and Ha Sun requests that it be tasted.

The queen dowager accuses Ha Sun of taking her “joke” too seriously, and asks So-woon what they should do. So-woon offers to taste her tea first, but Ha Sun yanks the cup out of her hands and flings it. Furious now, the queen dowager asks if he actually suspects her, and she pretends to be offended that he’s accusing her of attempting to kill him.

Again, she turns to So-woon for her opinion. So-woon takes the blame for causing this argument, but the queen dowager gets angry at her, too, for telling her not to punish the king. She demands an honest answer — does So-woon respect her as her mother?

Ha Sun orders the queen dowager to stop this, and when the queen dowager refuses, he violently flips his table. He grabs So-woon and pulls her from the room, leaving the queen dowager screaming impotently. She stops screeching as soon as they’re gone and rolls her eyes — yep, it was all an act.

When they reach the courtyard, So-woon yanks her wrist from Ha Sun’s grasp. Ha Sun says that it made him angry that the queen dowager was deliberately trying to find fault with So-woon, but So-woon snaps that if he truly wishes to protect her, then he’ll never do that again.

She says that kind of behavior only gives his enemies a valid excuse to make public issue of his disrespect of the queen dowager, and she doesn’t want to see that happen. She tells him to stay away from the queen dowager, and she’ll continue visiting her for the both of them.

Ha Sun reports to Minister Lee that he threw a tantrum as instructed, and that the queen dowager reacted exactly as predicted. Minister Lee is satisfied, but Ha Sun worries that it was a bad move after what So-woon said about Yi Heon’s enemies. Minister Lee promises to handle that, and orders Ha Sun to just do as he’s told.

Prince Jin-pyung is less than thrilled about what happened, but the queen dowager snaps that if he’d done his job, she wouldn’t have the king suspecting her now. He says that he will “get it done” at the upcoming hunting event, but the queen dowager doesn’t believe that the paranoid king would risk attending such an event. Prince Jin-pyung believes that he’ll show just to prove he’s in good health.

Ha Sun is reluctant to eat the king’s regular late-night snack, but he tells Eunuch Jo that he’s not afraid it’s poisoned, it just reminds him of Dal-lae and Gye-hwan. He offers the snack to Eunuch Jo, who says that he can’t eat it either after hearing that. Awww.

They split the snack, not wanting to waste it. Ha Sun thinks that Gye-hwan should be honored, and Eunuch Jo says that the queen has already ordered that Gye-hwan’s family be taken care of.

He tells Ha Sun that Yi Heon keeps his distance from So-woon, but nobody takes her lightly because she’s so generous and compassionate. Ha Sun sighs that he managed to get on her bad side, but Eunuch Jo says that it’s all because he looks like the king. Ha Sun snaps that he regrets sharing his snack, hee.

The queen dowager’s lady brings So-woon some flower tea that she claims will help her sleep. While getting her room prepared, So-woon’s maid Ae-young accidentally drops a box, spilling the hazelnuts that Ha Sun gave to So-woon. The queen pretends not to remember them, but when Ae-young teases that she’ll just throw them out, So-woon stops her.

Ae-young smugly returns the hazelnuts and asks So-woon why she was so cold to the king earlier when she clearly cares for him, and he’d just stood up for her. So-woon admits that she’s scared of being disappointed again, because she’s barely holding it together as it is.

Ha Sun allows Court Lady Kim to dress him for bed, and she tells him that Minister Shin would like a private audience. Eunuch Jo discreetly shakes his head, but Ha Sun agrees to talk. Minister Shin is led into Ha Sun’s rooms, and Eunuch Jo goes running to find Minister Lee.

Minister Shin wants to discuss filling the Border Defense Council position that was left vacant when Minister Yoo was banished. Ha Sun asks who Minister Shin recommends, and Minister Shin says it needs to be someone familiar with government affairs.

Minister Shin also tells Ha Sun to replace everyone on the Council who were appointed by Minister Yoo, because the court officials blame the recent problems in the royal house on corruption. He’s helpfully made a list of candidates, which of course Ha Sun can’t read.

Before Minister Shin realizes anything is wrong, Eunuch Jo returns with Minister Lee. Ha Sun hands Minister Lee the list of names, and Minister Lee informs Minister Shin that he can’t just singlehandedly reform the court as he pleases. But Minister Lee tells Ha Sun that if he can’t accept his advice then he must have Minister Yoo beheaded.

Upset but backed into a corner, Minister Lee says regretfully that Ha Sun has to appoint Minister Shin’s list of candidates to avoid killing Minister Yoo. Ha Sun protests that he’s not stupid — he knows that Minister Shin is running the country. Minister Lee says that even a king can’t do whatever he wants, and when Ha Sun asks why Minister Shin is being allowed to do what he wants, Minister Lee goes silent.

The appointments are made, and some council members grumble that Minister Shin is gaining too much power.

Later, Prince Jin-pyung asks Ha Sun if they can still hold the upcoming hunting event. Ha Sun says they may, and Minister Lee can’t think of a reason to object. But he tells Eunuch Jo that Ha Sun needs to participate in order to show that “the king” is healthy, even when Eunuch Jo reminds him that Yi Heon is a skilled archer while Ha Sun is… not.

But when Ha Sun goes out to practice his archery, he shocks Minister Lee and Eunuch Jo by making perfect shot after perfect shot. He’s apparently even better than Yi Heon, causing Guard Jung to ask if he’s been practicing secretly.

Minister Lee and Eunuch Jo take Ha Sun aside and ask when he got so good at archery. Unwilling to admit that he has a lot of experience gambling on illicit archery games, Ha Sun just says that he was born good. PFFT.

Eunuch Jo worries that the hunting event is an opportunity for the king’s opponents to kill Ha Sun, but Minister Lee says that Ha Sun fully understands the risk. He says that watching and waiting for the right time only resulted in Minister Shin gaining more power, and reminds Eunuch Jo that this is for Yi Heon (in other words, don’t get too attached to Ha Sun).

Still, Eunuch Jo tells Ha Sun that he can always claim to be sick and avoid the hunt. Ha Sun chuckles that Eunuch Jo must be afraid he’ll die, and when Eunuch Jo is alarmed that he knows it’s a possibility, Ha Sun gasps that no, he didn’t know.

The following morning he arrives for the hunt, and he’s shocked to see Yi-geom, Dal-lae’s attacker, there. Minister Shin explains that his bad knee won’t allow him to accompany the king, so he’s sending his son in his place, and Minister Lee warns Ha Sun not to do anything stupid.

Prince Jin-pyung says that he brought hunting dogs, and Ha Sun freezes up when the dogs bark and lunge in his direction. Prince Jin-pyung laughs, so Ha Sun approaches the dogs to prove that he’s not afraid. He holds out his hands, and thankfully, the dogs lie down submissively.

As soon as he can, Minister Lee asks how Ha Sun pulled that trick with the dogs. Ha Sun says he once spent time with tiger hunters, who don’t use dogs because they’re too scared of tigers. He grins at Minister Lee and pulls a scrap of tiger fur from his sleeve (and at the palace, Eunuch Jo wonders why the tiger skin that hangs in the king’s room looks ragged on one edge, lol).

Yi-geom volunteers to accompany Ha Sun when the hunting party splits up, and Ha Sun accepts, ignoring Minister Lee’s attempted protest. As they move through the forest, Ha Sun keeps an eye on Yi-geom, while Minister Lee keeps an eye on Ha Sun, and Prince Jin-pyung keeps an eye on everyone.

Soon, a deer is spotted, and in the mad dash after it, Minister Lee orders a guard to stay close to Prince Jin-pyung. But the prince senses his tail, and he manages to shoot an arrow into the guard’s arm and get away.

From a distance, Minister Lee sees Ha Sun order his guards in another direction then follow Yi-geom alone. Eventually Yi-geom stops, having lost the deer, but Ha Sun is nowhere to be seen.

From behind a tree, Ha Sun takes careful aim, memories of the way Dal-lae looked after Yi-geom was through with her flashing in his mind. He’s too focused to realize that Prince Jin-pyung is nearby with an arrow aimed in his direction. But Minister Lee arrives before anyone shoots, and he screams a loud, “Your Majesty!!

Ha Sun releases, and his arrow flies true, directly at Yi-geom. Prince Jin-pyung fires, but as Ha Sun steps to the side to see if he succeeded, the arrow buries itself into a tree behind him. Prince Jin-pyung runs away, and Minister Lee and Ha Sun arrive at where Yi-geom stands, Ha Sun’s arrow having pinned him to a tree by the fabric right between his legs (I choose to believe Ha Sun aimed there on purpose).

Ha Sun pretends to be oh-so-sorry, claiming that he was aiming for a pheasant, and he even tries to free Yi-geom. But when Yi-geom looks down, Ha Sun’s expression goes dark.

Once they’re alone, Minister Lee slams Ha Sun against a tree and growls that he could have ruined everything. Ha Sun says that he just got so angry, and that he wanted to kill Yi-geom, but he realized that if he did and called it an accident, Yi-geom’s crimes would never be known.

He says he doesn’t just want to punish Yi-geom, but those who turn a blind eye to his crimes, so he changed his mind about killing him now. Minister Lee slowly lets Ha Sun go, looking a bit stunned, as if he’s just realized that their sacrificial clown is actually pretty brilliant.

While they’re out, Eunuch Jo tells So-woon that the king has ordered her to stop her daily visits to the queen dowager. Displeased, she marches over to speak to him as soon as the hunting party returns to the palace.

One of the hunting dogs gets loose and heads directly for the queen, but Ha Sun throws himself in front of her and takes the bite on his forearm. The guards pull the dog off, but not before it mauls Ha Sun arm pretty badly.

Ha Sun says he’s fine, but he’s obviously hurt. Even so, when Moo-young raises his sword to kill the dog, Ha Sun physically pushes him away. Prince Jin-pyung says that he’ll kill the dog himself, but Ha Sun argues that if you kill a soul for every mistake, no lives would be left.

Minister Shin backs up Ha Sun, surprising everyone, and he reminds Prince Jin-pyung that he’s here himself because the king gave him a second chance. Prince Jin-pyung backs down, and So-woon leads Ha Sun away to have his arm treated.

Luckily, the tiger skin in his sleeve protected Ha Sun’s arm from being too badly injured. After the physician leaves, Court Lady Kim starts to clean up Ha Sun’s hand. He pretends to be in a lot of pain and cringes away from her touch.

Eunuch Jo announces the queen and Hwa-dang, Yi Heon’s favorite concubine. Court Lady Kim makes a show of familiarly straightening Ha Sun’s sleeve, but he pulls away again. So-woon demurely bows and sits, but Hwa-dang rushes to Ha Sun to fuss over him, inelegantly shoving Court Lady Kim out of her way.

So-woon’s gaze on Ha Sun’s face never wavers as Hwa-dang whines and pouts, and when Ha Sun asks a vague, “Excuse us,” Hwa-dang turns to Court Lady Kim and tells her to leave. Court Lady Kim snaps that he meant her, and HAHA, I don’t like Court Lady Kim, but I also don’t blame her for looking gleeful as she peels Hwa-dang off of Ha Sun.

Apparently the physician was overly dramatic when he told the ladies that the king could have been seriously hurt, so Ha Sun assures So-woon that he’s really okay. She asks why he ordered her not to visit the queen dowager, and he says he just doesn’t want the queen dowager to upset her, with the sweetest look of concern on his face.

So-woon says that she’s noticed that, while she talks about the right thing do, Ha Sun actually gets up and does it. He asks what he did, and So-woon almost smiles at him.

Minister Shin is upset to realize that it wasn’t the drugs that made the king change his orders in regards to Minister Yoo, but he actually changed his mind. Court Lady Kim doesn’t think it’s that simple, but Minister Shin tells her to do her duty, or she’ll lose her position and the perks that go along with it.

Ha Sun belatedly remembers his skit making fun of So-woon and Hwa-dang’s rivalry, where he portrayed the queen as a jealous screeching harpy. Having met them both, he realizes now how wrong he was, especially about gentle, caring So-woon. He feels terrible for believing the rumors and mocking her, thinking about how lonely and tired she must be.

In her rooms, So-woon pulls out the special box where she keeps the hazelnuts that Ha Sun gave her, then sneaks out alone to the stream where her ladies were making wishes. She tosses one of the hazelnuts at the floating bowl and misses, and behind her, a voice says, “It will not go in if you throw it like that.” Ha Sun!

He picks up a stone, and they both get excited when it lands in the bowl on the first try. So-woon realizes that she forgot to make a wish, so Ha Sun throws another, which also lands true. It disturbs a flurry of fireflies, which dance around them as they marvel at their beauty.

So-woon makes her wish while Ha Sun watches her. He looks away to grin at the fireflies, and when So-woon opens her eyes, she catches him in a completely unguarded moment. He looks at her in wonder, saying that this is what it would look like if the stars fell from the sky.

He asks what she wished for, then realizes it might be a secret and takes back the question. To cover his blunder, he throws another stone. So-woon watches him making his wish, and she asks him what he wished for.

He tells her seriously, “My wish is to see you smile, big and bright. That’s what I prayed for.”

 
COMMENTS

Well, if So-woon had any feelings towards Ha Sun before, that will clinch it. As far as she knows, he’s someone who used to be caring towards her but had changed, and is now returning to the compassionate man she married. Several times during this episode, he put her feelings before his own, so it’s understandable that So-woon is beginning to think of him positively, the way she used to. She’s very reserved, and she’s right to fear letting herself care again, but I don’t think she’s going to be able to resist Ha Sun for long.

Minister Lee might just be my favorite character in this whole show, if only in terms of being so complex and layered and interesting. He’s fiercely loyal to his king, unwilling to turn his back on Yi Heon because he knows there’s still a good person deep down, behind all the fear and paranoia and addiction. You can see Minister Lee trying not to get attached to Ha Sun, aware that his reason for being in the palace is to die. But when Ha Sun told him what happened to his sister, you could see all those walls begin to crumble as Minister Lee realized that Ha Sun is not just a pawn but a person, with people he loves and wants to protect, and that his reason for wanting revenge isn’t frivolous. Setting out to kill Shin Yi-geom will make Minister Lee’s quest to get rid of Minister Shin exponentially more difficult, but despite his gruff exterior, I don’t think he’s going to be able to ignore Ha Sun’s desperate need for help on behalf of his sister.

I’m glad for Ha Sun that even though he’s playing a dangerous game, and he accepts that he’ll almost certainly die, that he’s surrounded by good people. Minister Lee is stern, but fair and compassionate, and Eunuch Jo is just a big sweet teddy bear (I teared up when he was affected by Dal-lae and Gye-hwan’s tragedies). Queen So-woon is a treasure, willing to be a supportive partner and friend even after years of mistreatment by Yi Heon, and I’m looking forward to her and Ha Sun growing closer, even though it’s going to create some serious problems once she learns that he’s not actually her husband. Ha Sun has knowingly put himself into a difficult situation, but it makes me feel better that he has people around him who are kind and that he can talk to, to make (what he thinks are) his last days a little bit easier to bear.

At least the source of Yi Heon’s horrific behavior and paranoia is explained — we saw Court Lady Kim giving him opium in the first episode, but her conversation with Minister Shin confirmed that the two of them are keeping Yi Heon drugged on purpose in order to keep him from interfering with Minister Shin’s schemes. It explains why Yi Heon’s behavior is so erratic, and also why people kept saying that he didn’t used to be the monster that he is now. I said last week that I was waiting to pass judgment on Yi Heon since there might be a valid reason for his behavior, and involuntary drug addiction is enough for me to give him a chance to show that he’s a better person when clean.

Now that he’s outside the palace, Court Lady Kim isn’t there to carefully monitor Yi Heon’s opium intake, and for a while he was partaking a lot more than he was before. Instead of resting and feeling better mentally and emotionally, his paranoia and hallucinations seemed to be getting worse, because there was nothing stopping him from smoking opium all day long if he wanted. Hopefully, now that he’s been isolated from his drug of choice (and I noticed that the monk has him locked in his room for his own safety), Yi Heon can get sober and go back to the palace with a healthier outlook, and take on his enemies with a clear mind.

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I just love how Eunuch Jo really cares for Haseon. He's the only one in the palace who is truly concerned for Haseon's well-being as Haseon, and not as the King.

And Jingoo saying the line, "I'm born with it." LMAO. That will now be my go-to meme if people ever ask why he's so good at acting.

And Yeo Jingoo and Lee Seyoung's chemistry. Ooh my heart's about to break really good for Haseon and Sowoon. Their scenes together don't even need skinship for you to feel their amazing chemistry. Haseon is such a romantic. I giggled at the scene where Sowoon stepped on her maid's skirt just to stop her from throwing the hazelnuts. Sowoon is such a prim and proper character who's always trying to hide her real emotions, but no one's allowed to touch those hazelnuts, okay??

My heart breaks for Yi Heon and I truly hope he gets better. Shin Chisoo messed him up really bad but I can see that there's a different path for him to recover his old self. He needs some self-healing outside the toxic palace.

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Your comment on So Woon makes me love her even more.

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It is true tho, about Yeo Jin Gu's acting talent, he's born with it. 😉

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Eunuch Jo is ❤️

I was so scared for our sacrificial clown this episode. Thankfully he has wits and a good heart. Most importantly, he put justice above his revenge, which basically makes him king-material in my books. (Gasp, have I uttered treason? Sorry Yi Heon. To be fair the drama has not shown you at your best so far!)

So, does anybody know who this Gil Sam-bong is? He sounds like a key figure.

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Eunuch Jo is the only one that I trust. Chief Secretary Yi could change camps anytime because that's how politics work.
I just hope that his character is inspired more from the movie than one of those historical figures during Gwanghae's rule.

Our clown is street smart so it comes in handy at times. He is unruly especially towards the Queen Dowager which could be good and bad.
Yi Heon probably wouldn't flip a table at her because that would be disrespectful to the max. She is technically his mother and the highest rank member of the royal family. He is expected to remain filial towards her.

"Ignorance is a bliss." It might have been Chief Secretary Yi who said it earlier and maybe it's a good thing that Ha Sun is not well versed with palace rules and politics. It's suffocating and it could drive him mad like Yi Heon.
He is straight forward while everyone else tip toes around the truth in fear of offending the high and mighty queen dowager.

Gil Sam-bong is probably one of those influential faction leaders during the late king's reign. Lee and Yi Heon's father are probably from the same faction.
He is probably dead and Woon-sim only made reference to something that he did.

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I don’t trust Chief Secretary either but the dynamic with king and clown is fascinating. Someone mentioned ARE YOU HUMAN TOO? in last week’s thread. Chief Secretary reminds me of Lee Joon Hyuk’s character. Both have an incredible amount of power as the king-maker. Lee could manipulate Ha Seon due to his ignorance, or decide to support him.

One thing I find slightly disturbing is that Lee sits in the king’s seat when he lectures Ha Seon. Of course that highlights the comedy of seeing someone in kingly robes grovelling. But can’t he sit or stand somewhere else?

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I really do enjoy their dynamic. They have great chemistry. They are my otp if you ask me.

Well, Lee is actually running the country from behind the throne so maybe he think too highly of himself or maybe he is not ready to declare Ha Sun his king yet. He still treats him like a clown.

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Maybe its because he is higher status than ha sun. And i might be wrong but i think even in the movie version the chief Secretary sat on kings seat. Have to rewatch to confirm though

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You're right. I wonder if that will change at some point. Will our clown king stay in his chair even behind closed doors?

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Thanks, yes it’s seems to be about status.

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I love the callout to Minister Lee, cause he is also one of my favorite characters. On paper there isn't anything special, but the way the actor plays him with such careful expressions brings out his subtle layers. He's clearly on team Good Guys, but he also seems to think that (within reason) the ends justify the means. He'll get his hands a little dirty and do what he must to support the king and the country and counteract the more sinister players. He brings needed court savvy to counterbalance the naivety of Ha Sun, though I love that Ha Sun also points out the horribleness and hypocrisy of all the games they're all playing in the palace. In the end they make a good team.

I love how much chemistry our queen has with both the king and the clown, and how the chemistry is different between the two (just again highlighting how good our 2 (well, 3!) leads are). It's at once heart-warming and heart-breaking to watch her get close to Ha Sun, because you see how her hope mixed with fear are only reflections of whatever love she had with the king. And yet she is also falling for Ha Sun in his own right. And that is going to get so messy, so quick, I almost don't want to watch. (But like, also really wanna watch cause bring on the pain!)

I love this director. Some people complain about the length but I so enjoy the quiet moments he gives us to watch the characters think or feel something deeply. Like when Ha Sun cries for his little sister or the many lonely moments of the queen. And that sequence in the forest when Ha Sun is contemplating shooting the arrow was so artfully done. It really elevates the show.

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I referred to the director as "he" but it's a "she". Which A) is awesome, and B) I gotta check my bias. 🙃

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Kim Sang Kyung is killing it! I really enjoy his performance here just as much as I do with Yeo Jin-goo.
His character could go either way so I'm not set on him being all good. This is politics after all.

I'm not on the queen's camp until I know what really happened between her and Yi Heon. What did he do to her to make her reject him like that? Is it because he changed and he couldn't meet her high expectations anymore?
Royalties rarely marry for love. It's always about politics and power.

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Even I like the actor who's playing minister Lee. His expressions are on point. You can see he's impressed whenever he sees HS doing something praiseworthy, like when he decided to not kill the guy on the hunting trip because he wants to go till the root of the evil or the ingenious use of the tiger skin or when he spares the dog, even while he's excelling at archery! But that quickly changes to neutral, almost as if he feels guilty maybe(?). But I don't think he'll be able to resist him for long.

And Eunuch Cho is already falling for his charms. It's nice to see the comedic moments in between the serious ones, and even that involves the trio!

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oooh, same, same I thought I wouldn't like the guy playing chief lee becausd I know the movie version but he is growing on me 😊

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Fingers crossed for Yi Heon to get clean and find his true self again.

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I'm rooting for him to recover. He was pretty impressive in the first episode if you look at his situation without our 21st century sensitivity.

He is being drugged but still make some sound judgement calls to his advantage and he is pretty much aware of who his enemies are.

I have a feeling that Minister Shin eliminated Prince Yul, (the threat to the throne) without getting Yi Heon's hands dirty.
He gets to be promoted to prime minister and earned the king's favor so to speak.
Yi Heon giving Shin that much power is enough to rival the dowager queen's camp who are obviously trying to depose him.
I think that's another example of give and take that Minister/Royal Secretary Yi was talking to Ha Sun about in this episode. I'm pretty sure Yi Heon knows of Shin's character but it comes to politics, someone has to give.

I think Father in law's move was out of concern for his daughter but Shin basically outsmart him and he found himself without a witness to get himself out of it.

This is a game of politics and we can blame the king for this and that but in reality he is trying to survive himself. He lacks trusted supporters on his side and he has multiple parties that are against him to deal with. I'd cut him some slack.

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"He is being drugged but still make some sound judgement calls to his advantage and he is pretty much aware of who his enemies are."

This. Even when he's high, he can still clearly see the motives of Shin Chisoo for trying to request Lord Yoo's execution. And that scene where he saw Seon Hwadang's talisman, he said, "The greedy old man must've given it to you, right?"

He's obviously aware that Shin Chisoo is up to no good and there's got to be more as to why he's letting Shin Chisoo get away with everything. Shin Chisoo mentioned something about getting his leg wounded by staying unarmed with Yi Heon, but I wonder if there's more to that story.

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I'm kind of half asleep but I'll take a stab at it.

IRRC, Chief secretary and Minister Yoo brought Shin to Yi Heon's camp as his hunting dog. (is this a spoiler?) So now Shin is getting too powerful and they want to eliminate him.

We see Yoo nagging at Yi Heon (eps 1) to get rid of Shin but Yi Heon told him that he can't do anything unless there is proof of treason.

I believe Yoo got agitated because he is thinking of his daughter and that his position and power may not be enough to protect her if Shin is to become the Prime Minister.

He went after Shin and dug his own grave. Shin turned the table on him in front of the whole court so Yoo ended up getting charged with treason instead. Bad move but I understand that he was desperate since Yi Heon is visibly not himself at times.

Yi Heon said something about Yoo trying to trick him which made him angry for undermining his authority.
I think he made the decision to have him executed instead of exiled out of anger.
Thanks to Ha Sun for coming in at the right time to save his life.

I think Shin knows that Yi Heon could turn on him anytime so he is making the first move by drugging him.

While Shin is a threat to him the queen dowager is the bigger threat.

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Yeo jin goo is doing exceptionally great job. Kudos to his acting. Hope he wins awards for this role

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Moon Geun-young is the youngest former child actor to win a daesang award at age 21.
Maybe Yeo Jin-goo will be the next to win one at 21.

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He should. He is doing really an exceptional job.

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I love everything that this drama deliver always can't wait for the next episode.

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Sorry to say this, but fake-king's archery on the practice range wasn't actually good enough for him to deliberately put the arrow where it went on the hunt.

To clarify, I think he was supposed to be deliberately putting it where it went, but to make that believable they needed to have him splitting the arrows on the range, Robin Hood style**. Just call it a minor plot hole, and don't mind me -- I grew up with archery.

** Which also isn't believable, but we have all seen it in TV & movies enough to accept it.

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What can I say, I’ve been a fan of epic unbelievable archery skills since JUMONG. Robin Hood doesn’t come close to what Jumong did in ep. 21 😁

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I love how they exaggerated JUMONG's skills. I get swept up with it every time cause it looks so dang cool lol.
Are you talking about the blindfold scene with arrows on the ground like the one that Hae Mo-su taught him?

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Yes 🙈 The music just makes it even more epic. Jumong’s genius came from his blood though, helped with extensive training.

Because of Jumong, for a second I was worried that TCC was going to go the birth secret route with our Clown. (Oh wait, we actually don’t know anything about his family.) Fortunately there is a plausible reason for his archery skills, even if in real life that is impossible.

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I think we need more background clarity over more complications.

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I saw my doppelgänger once (from a distance) and it was shocking. I'd been followed many times as people yelled another name at me. When I saw her, I understood why that happened.

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Ahahaha that has the makings of a drama! Though it probably makes you feel uncomfortable @ndlessjoie.

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@wishfultoki I wish I'd asked for her full name from someone that had followed me across campus. I'd love to know if the same thing happened to her.

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@lordcobol—My 14-year-old and I just started archery classes this month. I love it!!! I lean forward now every time I see archery on screen.

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The hunting scene was directed so well! The tension and rage in the air as Jin-pyung aimed at Ha-sun aiming at Yi-geum. We were brought to this climax so smoothly with the drum background heightening anticipation. And Jin-goo just looks so good in that archery outfit!

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-I'm loving this show. YJG is spot on in both roles and everyone else is fantastic as well.
-I've been curious about something for a while: the scar. I noticed it on Yi Heon's chest in one of the first 2 ep and I've seen the movie, so how will things go in the drama?
-Part of me feels for Yi Heon because of the people around him who are so cruel and got him addicted, but can all of his behavior be attributed to the drugs or was he already changing? He already seemed to have guilt because of his brother's murder and an inferiority complex because of his father, so even if he gets clean of all the drugs, will he return to So-woon's version of the king or will he still be ruthless?
-Ha-sun is clearly falling for So-woon and her for him; things are going to get complicated for everyone involved and I'm worried for the hearts of our dear queen and sweet (fake) king.
-I am so curious to see what parts of the movie will remain and what will change.
-But sweet Ha-sun is proving he is more than just a sacrificial scarecrow sitting on the throne; the boy has a mind and knows how to use it.

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YJG has such an amazing smile (like when he won the money) and an amazing serious face. And he looks so good in that blue hunting outfit. Yum!

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I haven’t seen the movie but it’s good to know the drama is raising new questions and not just redoing the movie. 😊

The scar is interesting:
- it distinguishes King from Clown. If anyone who has seen the King’s upper body (Chief Lady Kim for example) notices that the king now lacks a scar... game over.
- it suggests that Yi Heon had a dangerous run-in with death - either an earlier attempt at his life or wounded in battle.

I guess this display of torso is not just fan service. There is a storytelling point to it. 😎

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LOL I thought PD nim was doing us a favor but I guess she had a point.
I wonder if he has scars on his shoulders and back. You know, he fought during the war with Japan and we need to see the evidence haha.

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I agree. We need more evidence! PD-nim, please work on this!

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Going OTT because I'm high on opium too lol.

Yeo Jin-goo's talents is more than enough. I don't even expect any fan service from him but hot damn he is ripped in this drama and thanks to PD Nim we get to appreciate 1/3 of it lol.

Anyway, I miss his deep majestic voice in JACKPOT. I'm guessing that he is changing it on purpose?
I'm not complaining because his Yi Heon is slaying with his satoori. Music to my ears.

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@kiara As much as I'd like to see the abs in it's full HD glory, I'm glad the director is holding back and isn't going 100% fanservice-y as it would kind of take away from the actual point of the story.

I say she's holding back, because she could've shown this https://imgur.com/6hiki63 but chose not to. Respect. I'm happy enough with the 1/3 she's giving us. ♥

Same, I also noticed that Jingoo isn't using the same voice he used for Yeongjo in Jackpot even as Yi Heon. His very deep voice is ♥. But good job to Jingoo cos even if he's played royalties so many times, each character is played so differently. He doesn't repeat his take on every prince/king he gets.

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@weaselking circulate9oo

Yes, joking aside I do respect him a lot as an actor and it has been an amazing experience following his career and seeing him grow with every project.

I think he is naturally gifted and in Ha Sun's own words "I(He) was born with it."
That being said, as his fans I don't think we are following him blindly. Every actor has room to grow and he does too.
I'd be one of the first to call him out on an average performance like in ORANGE MARMALADE. I don't think he was at his best but he should be allowed room to breathe...right?

What kind of changes do you feel from him in this drama?

For me I think he is a little bit more technical and not all out natural like his younger days in MOON SUN for example. It's not a bad thing really and he probably picked up some tips from his film directors on how to be more restrained. I love that, films can be more challenging and film critics are not like us drama fans lol.

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@kiara Orange Marmalade and Reunited Worlds were totally not his best performances. He had no chemistry with Lee Yeonhee in particular so I never got fully immersed in the romance department. Romcom seems to be his weakness and if he isn't working with the right production team and cast, his actual skills tend to get wasted.

I'm glad he strives to keep improving himself and isn't limiting himself to a comfort zone. He is still growing as an actor and I'm certain his talents will even continue to improve more as he matures. He is someone who also likes to ask tips from his seniors. You can tell that acting is definitely his passion so I'm really happy when he gets challenging roles like this.

As for changes from him in this drama, I could sense more maturity from him this time.

I love seeing the difference when he cries out of anger and range or when he cries out of pure sadness as Haseon and those moments of Yi Heon in his weakness as a broken person.

I can't wait to see more of him as he goes forward in his acting career.

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I skipped RW. It didn't appeal to me and Lee Yeon-hee does nothing for me.

I think all of our child actors are struggling with rom.coms from the lack of experience and it doesn't help when they are being paired with much older actors.

He certainly has matured a lot and I hope he keeps going back and forth between Chungmuro and Dramaland. He'd learn a lot from film directors and that's where he started his career.

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Speaking of scars. In the movie version iirc there were two scars. The “real” king has a scar on his chest from an arrow wound. TCC seems to be keeping that.
However, in the movie the “real” king also has a scar on his hand (right one I think). In TCC I think that scar has been transposed to the “fake” king with the mauling by the dog. Now we have two physical differences between the two kings.

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I don’t usually watch saeguk because I don’t stand with the palace office and many people are killed either through poison, wrongly accussed, etc.

But this drama keeps me gluing into it. It’s so well-made! And I love Jingoo with his dual roles. This young man is so talented! I feel his talent was wasted in “Reunited World”

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I'm here on a trivial note - but did anyone else notice Lee Se Young's right cheek? At first I thought my girl gained some kilos after her last drama, but then I realised that it looks more like it is swollen, like she has some kind of tooth issue.

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But she is doing a great job as a queen.she is carrying herself very well as queen.

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Oh she is, don't get me wrong, she is gorgeus!! It's just something I noticed in these few episodes, entirely visually :)

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Yeah I noticed that too, probably was some tooth issue, luckily she could speak normally with it. It's makes me cringe a bit to think that people have to go to work acting as if everything is normal even though they are sick.

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Everyone is falling for Ha Sun : Eunuch Jo, the Queen and Minister Lee. It makes things difficult for the real King. They didn't show us any reason to like him (except one scene with the Queen) but I do pity him because he's clearly suffering but he's not a good King. So I think I want Ha Sun on the throne and the King to live a happy and simple life in the country.

The scene with the tiger skin was pretty funny :D

The classical music for the last scene on the bridge made it very beautiful.

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I do pity Yi Heon when I think of the historic Gwanghae and the similarities in their kingship.
He was intelligent and capable ruler than any of his grown brothers but his status as a son of a concubine was always in question not only in his court but among his people.
Ha Sun and his group of clowns did make fun of him and brought up his status in their play. That's the words on the street among the common folks. No one acknowledge his good works, only his mother's lowly status.

Although I was excited to support our clown before the show starts, I'm also in support of Yi Heon and that's a testament to how good Yeo Jin-goo is in playing both characters. I pity them both.

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Yep. I still love this show.

I'm starting to pity the king, even though he's not done a lot (or anything) that redeems his character, just because he so clearly lost his mind. He looks so small and pathetic sitting there with drug withdrawals, plagued by guilt that makes him hallucinate his brother coming back to get him. You can't help but feel pity for the boy he used to be, who got so thoroughly corrupted that almost nothing is left.

Ha Sun clearly is clearly more like the king than we thought, which could end up corrupting him too, but so far his path has been righteous and good, he acts out of love and responsibility and his kindness is still intact. Thank god.

I'm excited to see the queen warm up to Ha Sun, even though their love will only make everything more messy. Ha Sun is clearly already taken with her, they really would make a great match. And a great, fair and intelligent ruling couple as well, if they manage to make it out of this with their humanity intact, unlike the king.

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HS is such a sweet person and I think that he doesn't really believe he'll die even though he knows there is a possibility that he might, he is too optimistic to be fatalistic XD

My heart breaks for LH and those who care about him, I don't see how he could ever be redeemed or healed, but I do get glimpses through his queen and minister's words that he used to be a caring and kind person. It makes his story more tragic since he is now in a place he never wanted to be in and might not be able to turn back, in fact I think he'd long forgotten how it is to not be afraid, to be confident, to be loved and to love.

The problem between LH and his queen is really that he's changed but she has not. She is still the perfect wife and the perfect queen. What LH needs is unconditional love and support in times or crisis, but she will not support him in his cruel actions that he believes are necessary (and I believe to be necessary also), which further aggravated his feelings of hopelessness and loneliness. I'm not saying that she should support him unconditionally, just that they cannot be together like this anymore and that both of them know and regret the fact with all their hearts but are unable to change it, their ways have deviated.

I'm really looking forward to learn the history of that dead Lord! It seems to be a story from back then when LH was still able and willing to stand up for his people and made his followers be loyal to him, but it did not go well, from what I gathered. The minister has to hide his feelings and thoughts to stay by his side, the physician has become a monk (many people become monks to escape the cruelty of life), the gisaeng is also longing for something she had lost in that time. All of them survived but with great losses, I imagine LH to be one of them. Maybe it was somebody LH greatly trusted and relied on, but was framed and sentenced to death (because LH himself had to step in and make sure he got a proper burial, he probably died as a criminal), and his followers are shadows of themselves, and LH has lost a group of people that supported him.

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I agree it seems there is a behind story. The gisaeng talked about the death of a man ( I'm not good with name...) and it looks like it influenced a lot of persons like her, Minister Lee, the King.

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Aw, our trio moments are just so cute! My heart breaks for the real king though.. may justice prevails for him too!

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This drama is exceeding expectations in even the most trivial parts. Like, the last week I said Queen Yoo's attire is more like that of a Crown Princess's, and this week she has her embroidery in Gold and has double gold rings on her skirt, like that of a Queen!! Lol.
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That dog reminded me of Baskerville. SHUDDERS. If I were in the cast, I won't be able to shoot ANYTHING within a mile radius from a rabid dog like that.😧
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We should make a club called "Minister Lee LUV", Hehe.

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Maybe the queen didn't really care about her attire, just wearing a pleasant outfit was enough for her.. Maybe she was sad too because her husband neglected her.. or a bit thrifty and rewaers her old outfits to not to spend people's money on expensive cloths all the time. Anyway now shes happy and probably feeling more queenly. And is treated as a real queen as well by her husband. But still her outfits are simple.

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Mmm, what you're saying also is true. She's not wearing much ornamental hairpins, and her compulsory dragon pin also is a very simple one. She wears pastel colors, and there're minimal decorations on her clothes.
But still, there's a set dress code for Palace people in Joseon Sageuks. Maybe actual Joseon people weren't like that, but for the viewers to recognize-on-point-who's-who, Historical drama PDs use Palace Robes as uniforms for so long now. From what I have gathered, and also from the highly informational and enjoyable https://thetalkingcupboard.com/2012/03/03/joseons-court-attire-kdrama-style/ , https://thetalkingcupboard.com/2013/06/19/joseons-court-attire-kdrama-style-part-2/ ,
I believe the rules are;
1. Queen, Mama and Granny Queens and King have all their uniform embroideries and leaf-prints in gold. Those ladies have double rings of gold print on their skirt.
2. Crown prince and princess have identical patterns, but in SILVER. It helps separating them from the King and the queen.
3. Everybody mentioned above have 4 dragon emblems on their tops, teo on shoulders, one on front, one on back. Same goes for princesses of King and Queen. But their emblems would be flowers, not dragons.
4. Concubines don't get dragon emblems, don't get to wear dragon hairpins just phoenix hairpins, have only ONE leaf circle on the skirt, and all those designs would be in silver.
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So you see why I thought it was strange to see Queen Yoo sporting silver designs and a single circle? It's uncommon. It's not about simplicity. She can display her simplicity by not having too much hairpins and/or too much designs, but gold and double rings are like....customary? Of course it's possible they didn't do ALL those in the actual past, but to me, it's like an an uspoken rule, lol.
It's not like we haven't seen this before, because Jang Ok-jung; live by love too had Queens's attire in silver and single skirt ring, but then again that drama was just extreme Joseon eye-candy, which didn't care about plot even, let alone Hanbok rules. Crowned Clown is different, yeah?
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P.S.- Sorry not sorry for bombarding you with unnecessary info! ;-)

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Yeah i was just thinking she became a queen pretty recently. 2 years max. So maybe she's still wearing stuff from her crown princess days. 😅😅

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LOL.

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And i actually know about the skirt pattens, gold silver difference and dragaon hair pins and stuff. Im very mich into korean historical dramas and their beautiful hanboks never failed to facinate me. 😊😊😊

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AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME! When I start rambling about these stuff, my friends always get this glazed look in their eyes, lol.
Sorry for bothering you with stuff you already knew! I misunderstood. :-)

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And one more thing when come to think of it, idk if it was a mistake by their part to dress her the queen, in silver. Or if it symbolizes something. Because now they are adding gold in her costumes. Maybe it was to show her powerlessness. Though she is the queen she still was very much like in her crown princess state and ministers like shin trying to depose her. she or her father didn't seem to have power as per the shin clan. But now she has gained some stability through ha sun. Others don't know ha sun is not the actual king. So for them it becomes very much evident that the king favors the queen over his other concubines. Idk. Thinking too much into this maybe lol. Its fun though. 😊

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Of course. Analyzing clothes and titles and jewelry is just as fun as shipping wars! Different ends of the same spectrum or something?
Now you've said that, I'm going to think that the embroidery department didn't have enough time or maid-power to make her a batch of new Queen dresses, lol. Those were hard times, and I think Gwanghae's appointment as a king happened all of a sudden, so Queen Yoo had to bear with her old wardrobe for a while! ;-)

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Please don't misunderstand i was not offended at all. 😅

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Hehe I must be the only one who still doesn’t fully trust and love Minister Lee. He still only wants to use Ha Seon without consideration for hid safety, though I can for sure see him becoming attached to his sacrificial clown. He also has some secrets of his own, something related to the past incident with this Gil Sa-Bong guy and involving the monk and gisaeng.

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Heh, you're probably right.
I get too attached kind and loyal and wise ministers, and kind and loyal and wise tough military guys. Because, yanno...they're rare! ;-)

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I don't like her Jeogori (jacket). It's too short and you can see her top from the sides. It doesn't look flattering from the back either. It doesn't flow well when she walks.

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Ikr? By top, you meant under-Jeogori? White one?
It was the same in 7DQ. Daily hanboks were ALL great, pastel colored and simple embroidery on Jeogori, but when she started wearing the Queen's dangui, it was just lame and un-shape-y and rectangle-like from front and back. At least I was able to excuse that as being pretty up there on Joseon Dynasty- still old fashioned, lol.
Talking about fashion, I *think* hair bun with pin is inaccurate too? It should be a braided ring wig? But its a thing they always skip-over in sageuks, plus the style looks flattering over NO young actress. So I'm more than ok with that one.

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Yes and I think her whole hanbok is ill fitted but thankfully Lee Se-young is a beautiful girl and carries herself well.

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I was wondering about the hair buns too... the palace maids uniforms reminded me of Dae Jang Geum and look accurate. Yet I have seen no braided ring wigs to indicate higher status in Chief Ladies or royalty. I don't mind, as those wigs are unflattering, but it's not accurate right?

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If my memory serves right, I think all the senior court ladies and married palace women should wear ring wigs until Yeongjo's reign. Yeongjo observed that women are gonna break their necks someday this way, so he put a stop to the fashion statement. THEN everybody started wearing chignon/bun as the main hairstyle.
So yes, this is Gwanghae's era, so they should still have ring wigs. But even the famous Sageuk PDs have chosen to neglect this part in the past, so its more than okay with me.

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Sorry if I misunderstood your question and answered something you alrrady knew okay?☺
That ALWAYS happens to me.😅

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@peony thank you very much, I had a vague idea but I'm not so well versed in Korean history. I learned something new today. :D

Yeongjo was quite an observant fellow LOL

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Oh me neither. Now kiara is somebody who's well versed in history. Also Pakalanapikake. I'm just somebody who has an unhealthy obsession with Hanfus, Hanboks and Hairpins and the blog posts about those, lol😂😁.
You see the two links I posted above as a reply to ShaRi? That blog has nearly EVERYTHING you need(or not) to know about Joseon dress codes, complete with pictures from Sageuks. I highly recommend. It's a fun read!
P.S.- I think JACKPOT portrayed this correctly. In the beginning of the drama (Sukjong's reign) they wore ring wings, and by the end (Yeongjo) they wore buns.

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I'm just learning the history along with you :).

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Well, to be fair her hairpin is a Yongjam (Dragon pin for Queen, Mama and Granny Queen). But the thing is, that dragon is so minuscule we have to squint to recognize it.
So yes. She wouldn't have given off a Queen vibe much in the hands of a lesser actress.

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oof, that wish of Ha-seon for the queen, god, I just knew that was the start of her falling in love with him again.

I've never shipped an otp for a long time since I never completed any romcoms last year but these two is just 😍😍😍 I could watch them all day.

Also completely, unrelated but I love the head monk's voice and fudge idk who he is but he has no business being that good-looking 😘😄😆

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I believe the monk is being played by actor Jang Sung-won (btw age 42). The Wiki page for TCCidentifies his character as Jung Saeng.

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thank you @marcusnyc20, I didn't know he was Jang Na Ra's elder brother tho. *flies away to find more pictures of him*

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Okay real talk, who is seon hwa dang? it seems like she is Gwanghae's concubine but what kind of title is seon hwa dang? seon hwa dang doesn't sound like a name or a concubine's title

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Probably rank 4 So-won from the Shin Clan. She is Minister Shin's niece. That's me mixing fiction with history but it makes sense. She would be elevated to rank 3 IF she gives birth to a son.

The writer duo are new and this production is probably new too so there is a few things that aren't done right like the costumes (read @peony's comments above), the women's titles that you brought up etc.

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Is it possible that Hwa-dang is her real name, not title? Though I find it weird that the hostile queen would call her by name, not by a curt "Seon Sowon" or something.

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Yes it looks like she is going by her birth name instead of her title.

This is minor to me because I'm absolutely intrigued with everything else in this drama.
Credit to everyone involved.

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Don't think Seon Hwa Dang is her real name, because if you translate it means something like kind flower building (place? hard to translate). When I first heard her name in the first episode I thought they were talking about a place or something. The queen also wouldn't call a concubine by her real name anyway

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That's interesting!
Sometimes, the king and mama Queen call the queen "Inner Palace", not by her actual title. It might be the same case here. She's the favourite concubine, hence the term "flower place"?
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@peony the Dang in her name can sometimes be translated to school. The "inner palace" referring to the queen uses the word "gong" meaning palace. Usually concubines aren't referred to as their palace, they're referred to by their last name + title, or their title + rank. Her name doesn't sound like a name to me, it'd be kinda rude to refer a yangban woman by their name, especially a married one. I believe Seon hwa dang is a title but idk where it came from

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You seem to know a lot about Hanja? Nice to meet you!
Perhaps they'll reveal it in an episode to come? Let's wait and see.😃

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It would have make sense if she went by Lady Shin then.

@napkiin Please share if you find out why she is going by Seon Hwa Dang .

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@peony nice to meet you too! I just googled it and a bunch of temples came up lmao. I know it's not an important detail but I'm so curious haha. I just looked up Gwanghae's concubines, he does have a concubine with the last name Shin, her mother was Royal Concubine In's sister (last name Kim). Kinda don't think the drama Seon Hwa-Dang is her though

@kiara i will for sure! :) yeah she should be referred to her as her title, and not some building name... weird

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@napkiin

If her mother was a Kim she wouldn't be a Kim. She would take her father's last name.
If she is Shin's niece (daughter of his brother) then she would be Lady Shin.

I guess we'll just have to treat her as fictional like her uncle with no ties to the history.

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@peony @kiara ok!! i asked my cousin who also is watching this drama, she said seon hwa dang is the place she resides in, totally forgot 'dang' could also to the royal family. i now want to know seon hwa dang's rank lol

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So what I guessed is partially correct? Yaaay!!
So it means "Good flower palace"? (I've heard Seonhwa means good flower.) It's weird tho, even though the inner court is often referred to by their building name, I haven't heard them being directly addressed like that so far, with the exception of Queen.
That reminds me, I've been wanting to ask you @napkiin
The term I had in my mind was "Jungjong". What did you mean by "gong"? Is there another term? Please do share.😃

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@peony yes you were right! :) yeah seon can mean kind/good, which is ironic cos that gal isn't exactly kind lol. jung jong literally just means middle palace, but people can indirectly call the queen jung goong too, goong literally just means palace, or they might refer to her to the place she stays at (kyo tae). hope that makes sense

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Aha. Yes that TOTES does make sense. Thank you!
Too much synonyms for one word, we Asian people. Lol. It sure makes the language prettier, but at the same time gets confusing for the foreign readers.😝
How did I forget...there's a DRAMA named "Goong", for heaven's sake.
Going by the logic you laid out, it's possible for people other than Queen to get called by her residence name I guess, even though it's uncommon.

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The mystery has been solved!
Thank you guys.

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Production - Studio Dragon.

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I wish this drama was running on Netflix. It's nicely filmed, the sets are great, the costuming, the cast, just a really solid all around good historical.

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Seon hwa dang being a favorite concubine should be a rumor spread by her party, the shin clan. The king didn't seem to be so in love with her when he force fed her alcohol and kicked her. Or was he just mad that she had a son granting talisman 😅 anyway she was quite fearleas considering how she clung to his leg after seeing his fury.

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Agree, it's just a rumor that is probably spread by Shin's camp. Yi Heon doesn't treat her well (like how King Sukjong treated his fave concubine Jang Hee-bin).
Yi Heon clearly can see her ambition and tricks. She comes across as an entitled spoiled jealous brat.

On the other hand she is a pawn and her uncle can easily dispose of her. He doesn't think twice about poisoning her slowly just to frame the queen. So cruel.

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