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Open Thread #595

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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I own two Big Bang albums, one FTISLAND album, and two Beast albums. I loved Jung Joon-young and CNBLUE and stanned Block B*.

I ought to retire from the entertainment industry.

I am happy for Jung Joon-young's ex-girlfriend for finally getting justice after two years. I am happy for Park Bom, Lee Byounggon, and Kim Seunghun for dodging a bullet and for Jang Hyunseung for dodging TWO bullets. I am sad for Chani and N.Flying for having their goodwill shat on.

*Radio Star

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My heart breaks for those girls, I hope justice is served, and for Jang Ja-yeon too! I went back and rewatched BoF, poor girl.

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I hope these girls' identities will be protected if they don't want to be known, and if they do decide to speak out that the public will support them.

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I am finding this very shady that all attention is on this case when there are merely 15 days left for Jang Ja Yeon's case. That we know involved bigger names of producers and businessmen. Specially when they have found a witness too. You know you can make one case more prominent than the other even if both are authentic.

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Based on old articles, the witness was always there from 2009 but her voice was never heard when she testified. When the case was reopened last year, she came out for interviews but her face was not shown to the public.
http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180629000705#cb
https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/south-korean-actress-sex-assault-case-reopened
https://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/23785525.html

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Some media are obviously trying to switch people attention.
By the way, there is a national petition for a time extension of Jang Jayeon's case, which is due the end of this month.
(If you want to sign you just need to log in with your facebook of twitter account and click on the blue button)
https://www1.president.go.kr/petitions/559071

I really hope she can get justice after 10 years of silence.

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You should see the Beanie fanwall. It's been a Vale of Tears all week (me included). No one saw this coming. No one could have seen this coming.

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As an unnie in age to most of the Beanies here, my heart aches for what you are experiencing these past few days. Hopefully justice will be served to all who deserve punishment and more people than none will speak up against evil when witnessing its deeds.

Take good care and surround yourself with people and envelop yourself with music which embodies love and goodness in the world.

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Love you kimbap unnie. 💕😄

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Hate how korean media put unannounced name as mr A B C, like hiw in this case they conveniently put mr.C as "a friend of mr.Jung who appeared on travel/variety show" which could lead to people assume its might be chanyeol, choi taejoon, or josh carrot.
Thankfully they just put it as an alphabetical order and its turn out that his name is mr. Park.

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when they put it like that it means it usually not a celebrity, otherwise they allude to it, it means that mr C is non celebrity friend that pop up along JJY in variety shows.

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I'm sorry but I am not at all surprised by this scandal. A lot of kdrama fans seems to be but that makes them very naive in my opinion.

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I vowed to myself that I would check out more K-pop this year. This is really upsetting. @panshel you should not retire because others cannot behave themselves. Your reaction alone proves that you did not know, otherwise you would not have supported them.

I do feel bad for the other innocent band members (please, I hope they are!) that get dragged down with them.

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I've been into K-pop since 2006, the year Big Bang debuted. I own one Super Junior album and one JBJ album, and I loved Lee Seo-won. I must attract trash. Luckily, I was not a fan of SS501 or DBSK.

I feel bad for the other innocent band members (fingers crossed) whose legacies are forever tarnished. The name FNC Entertainment is FTISLAND N.Flying CNBLUE. Their two most popular bands have gone up in flames in three days.

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That must be horrible to experience as a fan, and it has been going on for you for much longer, it seems. I am fortunate to not be that (long) into K-pop (yet), but yeah, no K-pop for me today.

And I am going to repeat myself: you are in no way responsible for their behaviour, so do not blame yourself. I hope this is the last time you must encounter this.

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I did not know N.Flying was under FNC. That really sucks for then given their recent reverse charting success. I hope they aren't too affected by this.

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All week I refreshed Korean news and entertainment sites for updates. It has been an avalanche of Bad. It started off as a club patron being beaten up by bouncers and police, to allegations of drugging women, to illicit videos of women (without their consent), to distribution of illicit videos, to rape, to prostitution, to human trafficking to other countries, gambling, tax evasion, police bribery and corruption, falsifying evidence, and obstruction of justice. As the stories broke, the authorities and parties questioned the veracity of the whistleblower, lawyer and reporters. So far, the reports have been confirmed while nonsensical apologetic lies fill the gaps in the news cycle. But the reporters have stated that the WORST is yet to come. There are bigger targets on the horizon. How much worse can it get? There are rumors of underage club drinking, underage club hostess/escort work, prostitution of minors, pedophilia, and recreation of snuff films. Since the culture appears to treat women worse than a bag of moldy rice, I wonder if the next wave of crimes will include forced abortions, beatings, suicides or manslaughter. So far the truth has been harsher and darker than any film or novel.

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Gosh I knew it was bad but by putting it all together this way, it is just hideous, beyond bad.

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true.. i wonder if that will come out.. but let's hope korea is strong enough to oust it and face it

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Often, reality is worse than any drama...

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i'm just hoping that none of my fave stars are involved in this. The entire thing seems like something some young chaebol villain would do.

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I'm reminded of the subplot in 'My Ajusshi' where the former actress revels in the failure of the director who had purposefully denigrated her and broke her spirit years earlier. The series didn't 'go there' with any suggestions of sexual abuse but, in light of recent revelations, you've got to think of all those vulnerable young actresses negotiating the phalanx of egoist directors, casting agents and agency heads

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hugs!

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Now that I think about it, Jang Hyun-seung really did dodge two bullets. He must have the ability to foresee the future.

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I keep seeing his name but how is he related?

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He was originally supposed to be in Bigbang, but YG removed him from the group last minute. Then, he joined BEAST (what Highlight was called before they changed companies), but left the group. He avoided scandals involved with both groups.

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Wow, I am only now catching up on all the news.

I first read about Seungri, and then Joon Young and immediately thought of the connection of 'that' group of friends - I've seen pictures of them hanging out (even saw Joon Young and Jonghyun while holidaying in Bohol) And then lo and behold, my wonder turned to surprise that one by one those same members of that group became linked to scandal... no wonder they hang out together. Tsk tsk

Really huge blow to kpop, and like others I hope the innocent group members can survive the scandal. I am a fan of Big Bang and now I'm kinda glad I watched them live in concert at their peak.

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You know, I always got a very bad vibe from jung Joon Young; and as much as I love Big Bang, there was always something somewhat off-putting about Seungri for me as well for a few reasons (though not to the same degree).

In the earlier days Big Bang members kept referencing Seungri's extreme porn habit; and he has always seemed more show-biz artificial to me, in a strangely old-fashioned but not good way. Like a talk-show sidekick.

But Lee Jong Hyun? Did not see that coming. Maybe I would have realized if I paid attention to who celebrities' friends are. "Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are," as they say.

And Zico (maybe)? I weep.

All this, though, is not confined to kpop or Hollywood. It's worldwide, and has always existed.

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I'm with you, I always had a big of a weird reaction to Seungri in general. Not that I could have ever imagined what he was up to, but I remember thinking it was strange his bandmates were making so many jokes about "hating him". I also have a huge problem in general with the "young immature puppy archetype", which, in my humble opinions, gives wayyyyy to much leeway to men to behave like imbeciles when they often did, or definitely should, know better. I just remember interviews where Seungri was joking that GD hated him when they were first announced as a unit and now I'm wondering if G-Dragon didn't have a negative first impression of him for a reason. I'm sorry, I'm rambling on your comment. My point is: I hope they all go to jail, pay their debts to society, reflect on their actions, become better people and ultimately, maybe take action to educate their junior into treating women like people.

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"My point is: I hope they all go to jail, pay their debts to society, reflect on their actions, become better people and ultimately, maybe take action to educate their junior into treating women like people."

Agree, silentbeluga!

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I'm not into Big Bang, but since this scandal broke, I've been researching them, and the group seems to be star crossed. Almost every member has been in trouble for one thing or another. I'm a 2AM fan myself and was surprised to know that one of their members got into trouble for things they said about the ROK. I guess that good judgment doesn't always come in young packages.

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What is ROK? I haven't heard 2Am members name connected with any big controversies.

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Republic Of Korea. Thanks for calling my typo to my attention--I meant 2PM, Jay Park. You're right 2AM is squeaky clean to this point. I apologize to 2AM for the mistake. BTW I do like both bands, but 2AM just barely wins over 2PM in the songs department.

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@Kwan Jay Park's four-year-old Myspace comments are the least of 2PM's worries. 2PM has two DUIs between Nichkhun and Jun. K.

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@kdnomore Jaypark issue is all cooled down now. I am not sure how much we can blame 2PM over that. Nickhun and Jun K had DUIs but they were really apologetic and tried to make up for that mistake. Overall, (from what I have seen because there is no point in defending an onscreen personality) boys are kinda humble and decent. I hope they are not into anything shady like these guys.

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You felt like I did. Seungri was a braggart that tried too hard and had that kind of slimy feel to him. And yes, he had that Gong Show feel to him. Although I just thought Seungri was also kind of pathetic too. Joon Young to me always seemed like a guy that had "blank eyes". It's hard for me to explain. Like with someone like Seungri. He was always so desperate for recognition that you could see it behind his eyes. It was in his demeanor. Never liked Joon young's "vibe". I'd say he seemed "sketchy".

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Yes! That's a great description of both of them. Seungri seemed simultaneously insecure, smug, and cheesy. There's no doubt he worked very hard, but he also gave off a kind of desperate, "try-hard" aura.

Joon Young did seem kind of blank-eyed. I think it's because he always held so much of himself in reserve, like he was above or removed from what was going on around him on his shows. I guess that is because he truly thought he was above the law and petty mortals with his secret life and dirt-bag in-crowd.

People sometimes do show you who they really are. I remember years before Bill Cosby's crimes became public, I read a passage in one of his autobiographical books that really made me uneasy. It was about how during his teenage years he was desperate to acquire "Spanish fly," a fabled aphrodisiac, so he could dose unsuspecting girls so that they would have sex with him - thereby completely bypassing their autonomy and consent. He presented in this jokey manner, but I got chills. Years later, he was accused and convicted of using date-rape drugs to serially rape women. UGH.

I had loved Cosby as a comedian when I was growing up, but that book passage he wrote (and published!) made me feel sick to my stomach when I read it, and then immediately leaped into mind when he was publicly accused of his crimes.

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Doesn't surprise me at all. I had no idea about Cosby but when he started blasting his own community and started sounding like a white politician it turned me off. Later on I remember we had one of his albums and most of it was about being a lazy get over kind of husband. I can remember feeling sorry for his wife.

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Literal lol. I can't believe how come fans be so naive.
This is normal of human world.
Its like people not even watch news.
Tv media all over the world is like mafia.
e.g - Google news Pollachi - similar style abuses. high level ppl involved. one abuse leading to number of crimes.

Obsessing over manufactured identities is just foolishness.

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Honestly I don't think most Beanies obsess over manufactured identities. Young kpop fans do I'm sure. Still it is shocking to find out that men working in an industry with a fan base predominately made up of women would hold them in such contempt. I wasn't surprised but I am still disgusted by it. You are correct it speaks to a much larger problem in South Korea that a lot of non Korean fans might have chosen to ignore previously.

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I feel like an absolute idiot for accepting it at face value when JJY’s ex-girlfriend retracting her charges against him in 2016. I can’t even imagine what she had to endure, how scared and humiliated and angry she must have felt...

It is unspeakably horrible what these fuckers did. I hope they get everything that they deserve.

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This is why so many koreans on the internet never believe the outcome on these high profile cases. We non koreans seem to think that if the court gets involved that "justice" will be done. I'm not naive enough to think that happens in my country's system but we want it to be true SOMEWHERE right? Korean women have it tougher than we American women. We are much farther along in our emancipation and look how hard we continue to have to fight to keep what we do enjoy. Yeah, crappy.

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I know right!! I feel so stupid for believing him and even petitioning for him to return to 1night2days..
Now look how he has dragged the show along with him
I really hope he gets the punishment he deserves..sigh
So sorry to the ex as well😭

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Happy weekend Beanies!

Pfew, this week was a lot better than last week! Job interviews and job applications kept me quite busy and a bit stressed, but I managed to start a new K-drama in the midst of it, so all is well in the end. Funny how that turns out to be my deal breaker.

Romance is a Bonus Book: After multiple tries I am at episode 3. It is probably too early to judge, so I’ll just watch for now and see. I am spoiled by recaps and comments, but I hope the execution can still surprise me. This was quite the rage watch, because I can relate to our heroine when it comes to unemployment and taking care of family members. The childhood flashback is an inspiration to clean out my bookshelves and writing tools ;).

Lee Jong-Seok might not be my type, but I love deep voices…then again, so does Ji Seo-Joon, so it is not a contest at all for me ;).

Modern Farmer: I am not in stitches as I hoped, but this is a relaxing watch, and an hour feels like only 5 minutes passed.

Now I am off to prepare for my dad’s retirement party tonight, and I have a K-drama Saturday to look forward to :)

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Enjoy your dad’s retirement party! I am envious (of your dad).
I enjoyed Modern Farmer (Honey Lee was best) except toilet humor- it gave me so much laugh.

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My friend and I are looking for kdrama suggestions for once RIABB ends. She is a bit pickier with what she will watch than I am, so she is looking for something similar to RIABB, Thirty But Seventeen, or My ID is Gangnam Beauty. I feel like I have sampled or watched to completion any kdrama like this, so please help!!

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Two shows that are airing now and are very cute are Spring Turns to Spring and Touch Your Heart.

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Yes I recommended she catch up on Touch Your Heart so we could watch the last few weeks together! I'll have to tell her about Spring Turns to Spring :)

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or Boyfriend/encounter, or first 8 eps (and finale ep) of Pretty noona. Spring Spring is more for laugh (I can't say cute).

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The problem with Pretty Noona is that those first few episodes are pure crack.

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@hades is right about Pretty Noona, just watch the first 8 eps, maybe 9, and the end. I watched up to 10 and regretted it. And he’s also right about it being crack, but the best kind.

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Hmm How about Fight for My Way? Or What's Wrong with secretary kim? Well what does she like in RIABB,Thirty but 17 and My Id is a gangnam beauty? Is it the handsome leads? Ahaha or the growth of the characters?

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I've seen both and recommended Fight My Way to her. She watched it and liked it! But, we're looking for something neither of us have seen.

Ahahaha handsome leads certainly do help. But, she likes that they are light and comedic, but also that they can be a bit serious without being a melodrama. Great ensemble casts, too!

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The first Kdrama that comes to mind is Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok-joo but it is likely that you have seen it as a dedicated drama fan. Another wonderful drama that recently flew under my radar while airing is Familiar Wife with a fantastic ensemble cast. I skipped the first couple episodes portraying their toxic marriage and just read the recaps to get a sense of the setup. It is a really satisfying, funny, but also heartfelt drama.

If you don't mind venturing outside of Kdrama, I suggest that you try the Cdrama A Love So Beautiful which is a wonderful youth drama that is super cute, funny, at times poignant, and characters you can root for!!

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Yes, I have seen and loved both (especially Familiar Wife; I feel like it's super underrated)! And my friend has seen WFKBJ. Great recommendations!

I will definitely suggest the Cdrama you recommended. I'm a huge fan of youth dramas and have been interested in venturing outside of kdramas.

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I would second noona's C-Drama recommendation. It's not a perfect drama, but it does bring the cute.

Love O2O is also a pleasant escape from K-Dramas.

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3rd the A Love So Beautiful rec.

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This week for me was spend under the Burning Sun, not very healthy I know, but I couldn't stop following constant flow of the news. I admit I was hit mostly by Lee JongHyun reveal but decided to not dwell in it, after all women who suffered and need justice to be served are more important that my hurt feelings. I don't know if any of this creeps will serve real jail time, but I'm happy with their fall from grace, and hope industry never let them back, paraphrasing "Cell Block Tango": they had it coming and they had only themself to blame.
Have a great weekand Beanies!

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This has been an active week..
overworked idols and baggy eyes

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This week exactly starting from Women's day has been such a ride. A bad one. The one that makes you feel like losing hope in humanity. The women's day march was criticized in my country on social media. Even if I didn't attend it, I couldn't believe how ridiculously people were criticizing them. I stay away from social media fights. But this time I couldn't control myself. Thankfully, i never engaged in a fight or argument but just healthy discussions. But it was toxic to see so many still unaware of feminism, women's rights- in decades long patriarchal society. Then came this scandal and again I have been very actively speaking out. This is lest only from sitting at my home. I think I'm doing so less for this world. To wrap it up, I hear of the NZ shooting today and that breaks my heart.
I just hope everyone's brought to justice. Plus I am starting to doubt if this case is overshadowing the Jang Ja yeon case that has only fifteen days to warp up. Both are big cases, but that is bigger involving producers and businessmen. Still I really hope everyone is brought to justice.

And I need a social media break at this point.

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"And I need a social media break at this point".. as a V.I.P. and an avid 1Night2days fan... me too!

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Happy Friday!
I am in a drama slump. Now I don't know how that happened because I was in love with RIBB and Fiery Priest...now...I have to buy a new remote, because I think I wore my FF button out...

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This Burning Sun scandal is just the tip of one very big iceberg. I'm sure there are many more people involved. Not just celebrities but big, powerful and famous men from all walks of life. I don't believe the police(the only one so far found out to be complicit), the prosecutors and politicians have no inkling all this time. So what is the key reason or reasons this was allowed to happen?

Objectification of women?
Money can buy anything?
Power/fame corrupts?

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I think B&C.
Some of them could have been fans whose blind trust was abused, regretfully, not everyone is an I-love-you-but-I'm-not-doing-that-for-you kind of fan.

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It makes you realize that even in this day and age females are treated like pieces of meat, not of the human race. Is this partially because of an extreme patriarchal society and some religious beliefs that vilify women? (I won't name specifically which religions). Or is the belief that women are not really part of the human race a global thing?

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I think it is global. Look at the #metoo movement in the US. Hollywood, Harvey Weinstein, etc. The stories are awful.

I'm sure it's barely hidden under the surface anywhere you look, in any country.

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its global thing. 70% of trafficked human are female.
A fact clearly visible in UN reports.
You can't put all blame on Patriarchal society. All Religions one way or other put restrictions on women.

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It certainly is a global thing and I think its end time is coming. Women in America are speaking out with courage and authority more. We now have young women in our Congress that stand up to the powerful men there and speak the truth. These courageous young women take a lot of flack from the men for doing that--but they keep right on expressing their opinions. I love these young women--I'm far past "young," I'm 75, but I let the young women know that I support them and I cheer them on--they are the ones that will end this travesty between the sexes.

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We are absolutely in love with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. My son wants to marry her but says he's not good enough for her. She is their future and it scares them. I do have to note that a lot of women help men keep other women down. So that is something we need to work on too. We all need to be part of the movement. I'm 59 and we're never too old. Girl Power.

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Hello, all:

So many scandals, so little time! I've always thought Jung Joon-young was always a bit too much the bad boy who liked challenging social norms and had a disdain for politeness. I just thought he tried too hard but now i see that there is more to him than chic disdain for other folks and for society's rules. He's just plain cruel, insensitive, and unwilling/unable to sympathize with women. That guy needs some serious psychiatric and spiritual help.

Dramas:

The Golden Eyes. I love a cocky intelligent passionate hero (like Ning Que in Ever Night) but there is something to be said for a humble, kind, courteous, and naive hero. The hero Zhang Rui makes me worry more for him than i have worried for a hero in a long while because he is so sweet, gullible, and utterly lacking in distrust...anyone can walk over him. I really like this drama and am learning a heck of a lot about gems and stones,.

I picked up a celebrity on the street. I have never "gotten" Sung Hoon. But seeing his comedy skillz in this one has finally opened my eyes. He's so good.

Radiant/Dazzling/The Light in your eyes: Well, well! That was a twist i hadn't expected. This reminds me a lot of Mama Fairy in that the director's ability to use misdirection fails a bit. I really should go back and rewatch the first 9 episodes to see if there was some trail left for us, hiding in plain sight, so we could understand everything that went before should not be simply tossed away.

Reach of Sincerity. I really like this. Not a lover of the new angst, though. i feared it would come of course but still.

He's Psychometric. Ah, this is fun in that old tried-and-true drama way.

I Hate you Juliet. Cute. I have a soft spot for Hong Ki shi.

Liking Legal High, Romance is a bonus book. Haven't caught up with Spring Turns to Spring.

Awaiting subs for Perfect Crime and decided to jump ship from Frankenstein's Love. I know we're heading into sorrowful waters. And there is just so much sorrowful waters one can take.

Have a great weekend, all. Dare i say that it looks like spring might be returning to our parts? ;-)

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I didn't watch Mama Fairy but I thought the 'twist' in Radiant/The Light in Your Eyes helped explained the things we couldn't understand before rather than toss away those things which we understood them to be.

For example, I always thought it quite incredulous that Hye Ja's parents accepted her overnight change from a 25 year old to a 70 year old so quickly. Now, I see why.

I couldn't understand or the drama didn't explain why Joon Ha went from an aspiring reporter to someone who helped run a scam in an elderly daycare center. At first I was waiting for a big reveal, then I thought it was his father who ruined his future and finally I accepted that it was his sheer despondence. With the twist, it doesn't even matter because it just simply didn't happened.

Several of us couldn't understand why Dad changed overnight from a relatively happy man to someone who was utterly miserable. We thought it was Hye Ja's overnight change or his guilt that she trade her youth in exchange for his life. Now, we know why.

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Wow, i accepted all those things pretty easily. I thought for a kdrama the writer showed the change well. Basically, we saw how difficult it was for her parents to accept the change, then we saw how the wish to turn back time affected Joon Ha because he also said he could turn back time. Remember, she made him promise that he wouldn't regret it. Her guilt at changing his past and causing the death of his grandma were all connected to the wish. As for the Dad, i though his being utterly miserable had to do with seeing his daughter change overnight to someone old, which was the last bit of hope for the family where the son was already a user. If you put Dad's overnight change into his grief of his daughter changing, then one can assume that he had not accepted her change overnight.

As a writer and a reviewer, i think the writer was either too subtle about her clues or just decided to do this change out of the blue. I really really do think this. I've seen a lot of twists in books and movies and usually the twists/reasons for change have been layered into the story that it doesn't only depend on how the character;s emotions are depicted. There should be something more on our part than mere guesswork as to a character's feelings and more work on the writer's part. Off hand, i think of movies such as US, Get out, Shimmer Lake, Lucky Number Slevin, etc where the two layers of the story/emotional psychopathy are shown by external and objective clues. I'll have to go back and find those clues in this drama because as it is, if we are to depend on merely "he looked sad and i don't know why but his sadness has nothing to do with his daughter changing overnight" then we're just pulling at straws. And a good twist requires more than subjective straws.

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If she is really young and this old age thing is something that she can be free of, then we will just have to hope that she gets back to herself before the Alzheimer's takes over. Maybe everything in the last minutes of episode 10 isn't really real at all and the writer is tricking us

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I didn't see this comment when I replied below. Now I know where you are coming from. To you, Hye Ja really turned from a 25 year old to 70 and she suffers from Alzheimer's in her old age. For me, she never changed overnight. That 'event' was all due to her diseased mind.

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I was reminded of the 1990 film 'Jacob's Ladder' where a happily married man's reality becomes more and more screwy unti the end when its revealed he never made it out of Vietnam and is dying on the operating table.

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Yeah it's true that there was no hint whatsoever in the last 9 episodes, but seeing how it all played out, and her being an Alzheimer patient actually made it quite believable for me. As far as I know about Alzheimer patients, there is a blur between reality and imagination in their memory..so the fact that there was no hint left all these time, made more sense to me. Even in her mind she never questioned it. To me, it more seemed like she tried to stay away from her original memory. Especially in the latest episode where they went on the rescue mission, it almost became an adventure, and I did start to question the reality. Also, like there was always this constant talk of being 25. And the more she tried to go back to the past, and her failure at doing so made the pain more realistic. It all kind of makes sense now.

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I'm actually sad that there is no recap for this drama. We could have talked about it on the thread. :(

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I think the whole POV misdirection bothers me. Aiming for the twist at the cost of true empathy. Just as it wouldve been better (in my opinion) for us to see that Mama Fairy's memories were wrong by showing both her POV and the true OmniPOV, it would have been good to show Hye Ja living in the past or being delusional about the present, thinking she is 25 and not acknowledging her family.

The writer's decision to include us in the false reality for ten whole episodes then bring the true conflict in at episode 10 then resolve it in a mere 6 episode is problematic. In the effort to have a twist, it breaks faith with the viewer in so many ways. Just my opinion.

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@scifiwritir: In my opinion: it didn't break my faith at all as I didn't feel it was a mis-direction, but put us in the shoes of an Alzheimer patient. I also didn't really consider it a twist but for me it made the whole drama more powerful. We as the viewer were as clueless as the Alzheimer patient. What was her memory? What was reality? What reality do any of us live in?
Will the last two hours show us any clues? Does she really have grandchildren that she thought were her siblings? It doesn't matter to me whether or not all of these questions are answered. That's reality.
I like a drama that not only entertains but asks us to question.

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See, you say there was "no hint at all," and out of this world says there were hints. This is what i mean about a lack of clarity. Sure it makes sense now but the sense of alienation -- as in Jacob's Ladder, referenced by Bob-- would have been more harrowing and the collapse into reality better if there had been more and more hints as the story proceeded, at least more hints that more than a few particularly insightful people saw.

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We've been so conditioned by K-drama 'magical realism' that we accept without question that a little girl found a wristwatch on the beach that can turn back time. We have two logical choices to make: 1) Magic is real' or 2) We have an unreliable narrator. Its almost NEVER 'unreliable narrator'.

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'See, you say there was "no hint at all," and out of this world says there were hints. '
@scifiwritir Oh sorry for being unclear there. I agree with @outofthisworld too about these subtle hints, but what I meant is that throughout the drama there have been no red herrings or easter eggs which could give us some upper hand on hye ja's mental condition. Yes, like outofthisworld says something about dad's attitude around hye ja seemed weird, it caught our attention, or as I thought, whenever hye ja called him dad, he never ever seemed convinced enough. There was this 'look' on his face. Now I see that as maybe, those moments actually happened. Like when hye ja went to that neighborhood and defended him in front of a guy who was insulting him. She says he is her son, and maybe that did happen. So what I mean to say is that the writer probably intentionally kept dad's behavior as his original self [as her son] , but also put some fictional stories there in between. Which is why I think, looking back now those oddities make sense. Leaving out so many details [the absence of clues], helped in making the drama something more than the conventional time reverse dramas we usually see.
But all in all, I love the fact that the story had reached such an unexpected turn. The fact that hye ja can't ever go back to 25 and those real events bring more impact on the depth of her pain, and loss. It's so powerful.

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I was assuming you've watched the latest ep where the 'twist' happened but reading your reply makes me more confused. Let me try to explain my point.

SPOILERS AHEAD! AVOID if you haven't caught up or started the show.

This is not a story about fantasy or time travel or turning back the clock. It's about Hye Ja who suffers from Alzheimer's.

The reason why her parents accepted the 'change' is because it didn't happened. Hye Ja didn't turned from a 25 year old to 70 year old and she wasn't their daughter. They just went with her 'fantasy' or whatever you want to call it because they know it's part of the disease - their mother/mother-in-law is losing her mind.

Dad or rather Hye Ja's son is grieved because of the state his mother is in and also the failure of his marriage. I suspect that Joon Ha may have died in the accident trying to save his son from the oncoming car or the accident Hye Ja was trying to prevent was one involving either Joon Ha or Son. Anyway, son is crippled and hasn't been quite 'whole' for a long time. We'd probably know more about Son in the coming week.

Present day 'Joon Ha' is a doppelganger of the real Joon Ha who died young. He's a doctor who works in the daycare and his uncanny resemblance may be why Hye Ja started to have this 'illusion' that Joon Ha threw away his dream and ended up in the hellish job.

The out of this world escape from the diabolical scheme to murder the old folks was again a figment of Hye Ja's demented mind. I thought it was too ridiculous and yes, it didn't happened. Also, it is not uncommon for the elderly and demented to be paranoid about people who want to kill them.

So you see, it all pretty much makes sense to me except some areas which I expect the show to tell us more in the finale.

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There were guesses everywhere, but the one I am am curious to know is the identity of the old man in wheel chair. One guess was that he is the police officer who killed Joon-ha, the reporter while investigating. I can't wait for finale eps.

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Yes, i do see that it makes sense to you. You could be right, or not. I just think it was not as well done as it could be..or else it would be clear to me. (Note, i don't add nameless others as you have in order to bolster my case and to put you in the wrong as you did early.) Those of us who are not as insightful as you are -- or those who are sticklers about being clear for our readers-- will always think a more obvious helpful trail of clues is better. As i said, you could be right. But writers are supposed to make things clear for even muddle-headed folks.

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@scifiwritir Are you the author Carole McDonnell?

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"Not uncommon for the elderly to be paranoid" reminds me of when I visited a rehab facility for the elderly, a woman came running out the door exclaiming they were trying to kill her, would we please call the cops to save her.
But what with so many stories you hear about these places, I wondered whether she was paranoid or if it was true!

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@fan

I don't know who the old man in the wheel chair is but he is terrified of 'Joon Ha'. At least from this, we know that the doctor does closely resemble the late Joon Ha and not imagined by Hye Ja.

I hope the final eps will finish strong. It was so sad just watching those flashbacks in the closing scene of ep 10. My heart goes out to Hye Ja.

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@outofthisworld you wrote: "To you, Hye Ja really turned from a 25 year old to 70 and she suffers from Alzheimer's in her old age. For me, she never changed overnight."

Never?

Never once did you think she changed overnight.
My bad, then. I went with the synopsis. For me, if we have synopses that say it is fantasy but find out at episode 10 that this is not the genre at all, then there is indeed a twist.

I can deal with the story. I like it as a story about regret, rumination, and obsession with the death of some family member. The turning back the hands of time is a good image. So i am not picking on the idea behind the drama. I just think the mechanics of the filming was badly done. Those of us who didn't see what you saw are not lacking in insight as you seem to imply. The writer could have made it clearer and the story would have been more powerful. Just me, thinking as a reviewer and a writer

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@scifiwritir

All along, I thought she changed overnight until the last part of ep 10. I too went with the synopsis. I don't trust synopses much but this time, I am not angry that it misled or was not accurate. If they had reveal or hint at anything in the synopsis, it would have lessen the impact on me, the viewer.

I had been confused at certain things which I elaborated earlier and I bought into the whole 'magical watch, time travel' plot. I was puzzled and incredulous. It feels as if the writer is making me experience what someone suffering Alzheimer's like Hye Ja is going through.

In no way did I intend to imply that anyone who didn't see what I saw is lacking in insight. The reveal came so late in the last minutes of ep 10. Who knows? I might even be wrong!

To be honest, when it was revealed that what had happened so far could be all part of Hye Ja's imagination, I was not very pleased. I had been writing on DB about how great this drama is. The issues it touches on - regrets about wasting one's youth, living in the past, the loneliness and despair of aging and how the mind/soul/spirit never ages but trapped in an aging body. I even my posted on my fanwall about my take on Joon Ha. I felt as if the revelation negated everything I thought and felt about the drama. However, I see it differently now. Even though the 'magic or time travel' thing didn't really happened, those issues brought up and dwelt upon still hold true.

I am not a writer or reviewer so I will miss out those things which a writer should include or do when writing a story. Everything I write is based on my thoughts and feelings as a viewer. And even then, I am not the sort who think a lot when I watch a drama. It's more about how it makes me feel. This drama does make me think a bit more than usual.

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It was brilliantly done. But we're not finished with the story yet. There's still two more hours to go.

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yes, i write. My avatar is one of my books. Thanks for asking.

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I have laughed and cried so much in Radiant/Dazzling. I have a feeling I know how it ends (but I'm usually wrong). This drama hasn't had such an impact for me since Just Between Lovers.
Golden Eyes: Oh, dear, now I have to re-add it to my list to watch. I was trying to pare down the list. But thank you.

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Oh I would love to know your version of the ending. Who knows you could be right too lol. Anyway, can't wait till Monday!

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On the contrary I always felt JJY was cold on camera but soft and sweet in real.. lol how could I be so stupid?
Now they can form a Prison Entertainment with Seungri as the CEO.. see he has always had a greed for more power and money.. despite how much his members warned him..
I always felt the Bigbang members were a little harsh to Ri .. i thought he was just a little overshadowed by the members talent and wanted to overcome it by being Rich.. well this past week I have found out how WRONG i have been about soo many things

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Beanies, don't be sad. I hope this list of upcoming dramas will cheer you up.

Descendants of the Skunk: A stirring epic about the first skunk in the history of skunkind.

Gobblin’: A 900 year old goblin is torn between his love for a young girl and his desire to eat her.

Train to Poong Sang: The sequel to What’s Wrong with Mr. Poong Sang?

The Lush Empress: A curvaceous empress finds it hard to fit in the palace.

Sly Castle: About a bunch of sly people who live in a castle.

Kill Me, Eat Me: A romance between a slaughterhouse worker and a suicidal cow.

On the Way to the Egg Pot: An egg tries its best not to crack in its final moments.

Jackass, Hyde and Me: A man develops an alter ego as a jackass and brays with it as best as he can.

King Dumb: The title says it all.

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The first one 😂

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Thank you! This was needed. So excited to see Kill Me, Eat me 😁

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Kill Me, Eat Me I believe is also the tagline for Netflix' Kingdom.

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Quoting the Emperor in Consort Meng Comes Across: "hahahdah"
*smiley smiley face*

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😂😂😂

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ROFL!!!

The slaughter house romance sounds intriguing. Can we expect a happy ending? So many great titles to look forward to! Thanks for the heads up, YY.

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😆Gobblin' sounds like an erotic thriller 😅

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Oh my gosh! That reminds me, there was a Korean movie a while back where this guy, a chef, his best friend is a cow. Anyway, long story short, he ends up killing it because he wants to win a competition and he knows the cow has the best meat from what he fed it. I was SO MAD. Plus crying a lot. Don't watch that movie, whatever it is.

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The Lush Empress: A curvaceous empress finds it hard to fit in the palace.- Lmao. I really would have watched that. Thanks for the entertainment @yyishere, :))

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This title is my favorite!

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Thanks, @yyishere YY! ROFLMAO.

Descendants of the Skunk: A stirring epic about the first skunk in the history of skunkind.
In which the Girl Who Sees Smells meets Pepé Le Pew, who can hear her heart. Both have achromatopsia, but that doesn't matter, because everything is black and white to them.

Gobblin’: A 900 year old goblin is torn between his love for a young girl and his desire to eat her.
But then he finally gets to morph into a turkey after a couple of millennia of freezing his butt off in the trackless arctic wastes. And suddenly the tables are turned.

Train to Poong Sang: The sequel to What’s Wrong with Mr. Poong Sang?
Which reveals that the protagonist has a one-track mind -- that often derails.

The Lush Empress: A curvaceous empress finds it hard to fit in the palace.
Time to lay off the Tequila Sunrises, Your Majesty. Along with the Melona Bars.

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Haha - I read that as the Empress who was a lush also, just pictured her staggering through the palace hallways....

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@okiejune,
When I see the word "lush," I think of booze or vegetation, not a curvaceous figure. I was going to suggest that Radiant Majesty refrain from chugging the Dubonnet -- only to read that Queen Elizabeth's favored libation is in fact a Dubonnet cocktail. Surprise, surprise. ;-)

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That one 'Gobblin' was already done under the name 'My Girlfriend is a Gumiho (nine tailed fox)' where the cute heroine keeps threatening to eat her boyfriend's liver.

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Just how long does it take you to come up with these gems? Or is it just natural.

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It just happens. I grew up watching the Three Stooges and Looney Tunes, and listening to Spike Jones records. My sense of humor was warped at a tender age. ;-)

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OMG! Your list reminded me of the Korean movie I saw several years ago, "Save the Green Planet." To this day that is the wackiest ROK movie I've ever seen, and it would fit some of your titles perfectly! :-)

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Aww...😘 What a sweet gesture😘😘😘

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reserved!

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Seriously? Isn't this holding your place in line?

Comment policy:
"No Firsts. Please, no “First” comments to hold your place in line. It’s cutting the queue, and no one likes a queue-cutter. The threaded comments are for conversations, not for holding your place while you write up the thing you really want to say. We promise we’ll still read your comments twenty minutes later."

Hope I am misunderstanding your one-word "reserved!" comment.

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Naah.
You are right for this thread. I'm at fault here when i clearly know the rule. There is some foolish logic there but that won't cut for my fault. But in what you' re watching post it has completely different context.

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At least you didn't write "Eleventh!" ;)

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What is the "completely different context"? "reserved!" comments are not allowed on What we’re watching posts neither.

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I have always wondered what goes on in the mind of those who suffer from dementia and Alzheimer's.

An friend of mine suffered an early onset of Alzheimer's and it was very sad to watch the disease take progression. The hardest part for her was in the initial stage when she could still comprehend what was happening and stricken by fear - fear that one day she will not recognize her loved ones anymore, that she will not 'exist' even though alive.

My late mother who suffered some form of dementia at the end stage of her life, would often get the chronological order of events mixed up. Things long past seemed to have just happened and she begin to mix up names of family members. She couldn't remember who she just spoken to but could recount things that happened decades ago.

What happens to the person inside the ravaged mind or aged body? Do they gradually exist to exist and is there any part of the mind that is still conscious of what's going on but thoughts are not unable to get articulated or expressed in anyway?

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Makes this drama so much more meaningful. Thanks for your thoughts.

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i witnessed my aunt "awakening" and being cognizant of her situation/surroundings/conversation at her -- but she was trapped, locked inside her uncooperative body. by this time, she had been in a nursing home for almost 20 years, having developed early-onset alzheimer's at the age of 50 or so.

the only proof i have of this is when she managed to open her eyes, look for and focus on my face, showing me her eyes had total clarity and understanding...

all the while, her shaking hands would slowly animate and lift in search of my hands. when her eyes stared directly into mine, she was clutching and squeezing my hands and a tear fell out.

she saw me, she heard me, she wanted me to know she was still in there - and she wanted to acknowledge my presence. this started as i was saying goodbye, having spent around 10 minutes holding her inanimate hand and talking to her about her daughters.

i stayed another 10 minutes, until she seemed to fatigue and fade back inside her aged and immobile body... i couldn't bring myself to tell my cousins about that exchange, it would've broken their hearts...

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Thank you for sharing. It's so heartbreaking just to read, I can't imagine how you had felt.

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it is also a very scary reality for us, my sisters and cousins, as we know Alzheimer's runs in our family. we get together as a group regularly to check in with one another and we do joke about our brain fades and senior moments (tho my cousins are younger)...

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I've studied these illnesses, but reading experiences is a whole different thing... it must be terrible and extremely sad. When you read about brain, neurotransmitters and so on, it's different from seeing people having that illness or reading their stories.
Last month I read a novel, Elizabeth is missing, that is told from the point of view of a woman that has dementia. I found it heartbreaking. You can see her thinking a thing, and suddenly forgetting it, or going out and then finding herself in the street and not knowing the reason...

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OT Week 109! Phew, what a k-entertainment week. Weeks like this remind me that there is still so much work to be done giving women, children, and minorities a voice and respect in the world. And, that we should be careful who we fill our lives with, as evil begets evil, and good begets good. This may be my last OT for a while because I’m going to be doing more intentional parenting with my own kids to make sure they will not fall into the wrong crowd or be instigators of evil themselves. Also, teaching them to not put too much trust in strangers, even those that are in the public eye, and to focus on more intangible things, like compassion, honesty, and doing the right thing. I’m also planning a trip to Korea, but with this past week, a heaviness has developed in the pit of my stomach, and it’s more difficult to do. I still have to get my family on board as well—this week was not the week to convince them.

As such, I only watched RIABB, and the rest of last week’s episodes of THY. These are similar, but THY has my heart. It is adorable. As an OTP, Yoo Inna and Lee Dong Wook are perfection. I don’t know anything about them in real life, but as actors, I really do respect them.

Conversation:

It’s spring break at our house and the kids have gotten a bit stir crazy, so I met them at an indoor trampoline park after work.

Me: (running in with fast food because I hadn’t eaten all day) Here’s drinks and fries for you!

Hubby: Well, save it, because your son just twisted his ankle.

Me: What? Why didn’t you call me? (Because I wouldn’t have driven there if they were just going to go home.)

Hubby: Because it just happened!

Son: *Winces in pain* Yeah, I jumped on it but didn’t hit the trampoline but the side of the wall. I can’t walk on that foot now.

Daughter: We just jumped for 20 minutes out of our 2 hours! *Obviously upset*

Me: It’s crazy here! Did you get your money back? *screaming over a million kids*

Hubby: Well, just for an hour per kid, we need the second hour. Son, you stay here with mom, I’ll take daughter home. See if you can get our second hour back, bye!!! *Runs from the park like he’s been let out of jail*

Trampoline park manager: Ma’am, I’ll need to do an incident report about this. Do you mind giving me the information? *Obviously resigned and just wants to go home himself*

Me: Ahhhh, now I get why he didn’t call me. Before I give you the information, we still need to get an hour of passes for each kid…Thanks. (To son) Eat these French fries, have some water, you must be thirsty.

Moral of the story: My son is fine. He got carried out of the park to the car by a female worker. Then carried into the house by yours truly. We iced it and it wasn’t even bruised. He was walking on it an hour later.

2nd moral: #thisiswhatparentinglookslike

3rd moral: Hope we all have a better week next week.

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I am glad that your son is ok. Parenting a pretty soon 13 year old boy is harder. 🤦🏻‍♀️ My other two kids are pretty easy. LOL

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My son is going to break my heart, I’m pretty sure.

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oh no, but I am glad he is ok. Funny thinking about money back when kid is hurt. (priorities lol)
so that was "Another day in Paradise" (per my co-worker)

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He was still upright and breathing. So yeah, priorities. 😂

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Hi everybody,

I would like to revive the idea of local meet-ups for dramafans with a meet-up in Germany.

So please feel free to join me and other fans in Frankfurt on Saturday, 25th May 2019, at 11 a.m. right in front of Frankfurt main station. There will be a sign to make it easy to find each other. Not only k-drama but c-drama, j-dorama and and lakorn fans are welcome.

We will go to a korean restaurant for lunch and chat. The meeting will end in the early afternoon to enable people with a longer journey to make a one day trip.

Feel free to contact me via my Dramabeans account and, of course, to pass the news about the meet-up on to drama friends.

See you in Frankfurt!

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Sounds so fun! Anyone wants to do this in Delhi/Gurgaon?

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Wow Enjoy! Hope I lived there hehe

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This reminds me of that scene from 'My Wife Is Having An Affair This Week' where all off the online commenters to 'Toy Crane's' marital problems posts hold a get-together to meet face-to-face.

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1N2D -- 💔 I'm not surprised by the latest decision from the show. And there are much bigger and serious concerns right now . But as a follower since season 1, I'm sad it had to stop this way (even if temporarily) ... I cannot imagine the hurt, betrayal, anger, disgust, worry (for their job stability), etc that the crew members (everyone working for the show ) must be feeling.

Touch Your Heart -- With the story of the stalker and illegal stuff, I couldn't help but thinking -all throughout thos week's episodes- of what's going on in reality in the K-entertainment industry...

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As one of the many people who gave him a second chance (cause I actually believed he was innocent) I am so disgraced, disgusted and ashamed
I hope the show will be back soon! One selfish individual should not be able to destroy such a beautiful show!

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I've just heard from my boss that now even cha tae hyun and kim jun ho are dragged into the mess, with illegal golf gambling allegations. Apparently the main PD (im guessing Kim PD) has already left KBS as suspected for being silent of the activities. All these came from JJY 'golden' phone.

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Wow.. it really was the tip of an iceberg huh?
Kim PD had just joined.. and i was really liking his direction..
JJY is really bringing everyone he knows down with him.. I hope only the offenders get dragged into this mess

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Cha Tae Hyun and Kim Jun Ho have officially left 2D1N ... Actually so upsetting because it's one of my favourite variety shows. All because of JJY dragging everyone he knows into this mess.

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Whattttt.. it's just one bad news after another!

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Apparently that gambling allegation was really friendly betting among friends while they were playing golf together, and Cha TH and Kim JH said the money was returned to players afterwards, but since betting are illegal in SK and the amount bet are big (around 1500-2000usd), they got dragged along into the scandal. But from what i read in the comments, many thinks Cha TH and Kim JH issue was just used to sort of downplay the other bigger and important issues at the moment.
@v.i.p I like his style too, and had a feeling the show are going to be better. But then this happens. Sigh. 2d1n was the only kshow I watch.

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2D1N is my favorite show ever.. it was my happy pill
so devastated :'(

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I haven't been watching anything. It's probably the first time in a decade I'm not watching at least one drama. I quit Item after episode 3. It's not because of Burning Sun. I'm not shocked. I know a lot of people/fans have been floored by the revelations that the police really do fix problems for businessmen and celebrities. I know it's a shock to the system to see young men, some of them so baby faced they still look like high school boys, passing girls around like tequila shots and calling them dirty rags. The evidence that Korean women have a terrible problem has been there all along for any of us to notice if we chose. Just think about this, how many other celebrities have been involved with terrible behavior toward women in the past 5 years? Most of them "reflected". Last year 30k women marched in Seoul about molka, hidden camera videos. Oh well. It's terrible but we can all fall victim to a pretty face and glossy exterior. Especially when you're inclined to see the best in people anyway. Have a great weekend beanies.

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Happy weekend beanies .

Being a Sky castle fan I just can’t but help wondering if anyone from US Investigative agencies saw this and now we have the college admission scandal breakout in the US?

It breaks my heart to see all the deserving kids not being able to get into these collages because super wealthy and well known parents have it in them to twist the arms of these league collages .

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No, they did not start a investigation because of a kdrama. This is something that has been on going because it started with mail fraud and tax evasion.

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Oh ok . I didn’t know that . But yeah good that operation varsity blues happened .

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I did enjoy the coincidence, I must admit. I'm always telling my friends they MUST watch these fantastic K-dramas (and they ignore me). I feel vindicated seeing the plot of Sky Castle play out on the U.S. news.

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My dear beanies,

Amidst this difficult time in our Korean wonderland, I wanted to deliver some hopefully uplifting news about my own life! Recently, I won a really major award at a science fair that I presented my research at, and I was given the opportunity to travel (all expenses paid!) to a larger, international science fair to compete. Participating in this fair has been a huge dream of mine for a very long time, and finally being recognized for all the work I put into my project and the dedication I have for science is like a dream come true! Anyways, I just wanted to be optimistic for a while and encourage everybody that your hard work and perseverance will pay off and benefit you eventually. Because you can never anticipate when the world will decide to be nice to you, trying to find joy and fulfillment in the process and everyday things is always the best thing to do. Sending love! -K

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Wow, awesome news. Congrats! And good luck in the next fair. ^^

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Thank you so much!

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Congratulations, @sukstan! Thanks for good news from Real Life (tm)! Are you at liberty to mention where you will be traveling for the international science fair? -- How wonderful that you'll be able to meet peers from around the world. ;-)

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The fair is called ISEF, and it'll be in Phoenix, Arizona this year! I'm really nervous and excited :)

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Very cool, @sukstan! Just be sure to protect yourself from sunburn and keep well hydrated. One of my bosses used to live in Arizona, where the temperature would rise to 120F, quite a bit hotter than Phoenix in May.

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Arizona/Places/phoenix-weather-in-may.php

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Congrats! Major award at a science fair? That sounds awesome! What was that about- ok to ask?

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Congrats!!!!!

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Congratulations!

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Well-done 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🎉🎉🎉

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Congratulations!!
And thanks for your words.

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