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Open Thread #609

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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OOOHHHHH! Am I the first to comment? I don't usually post on the open thread. But I just want to say how happy I am that DB is here for all of us.
That after a particularly exhausting week of work I'm glad it's Friday.
And I hope that you all can enjoy this day as the longest day of light (at least for us in the northern hemisphere). Happy Solstice!

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Happy Solstice to you!❤

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:)

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Happy solstice!

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Thank you for the reminder that it's our longest day, I will enjoy the light!

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and then . . . it rained all day! ⛈

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YAY! We're celebrating by going out for Italian with friends tonight for Summer Solstice. I'm glad you're here too!

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Oh! Drink Bellinis that are the color of the lingering Tuscan sunset 🥂

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Happy Solstice!

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seoul-stice ?

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Happy OT beanies.
I'm trying to be productive while working so, i decided to write an article about something I love doing which is watching dramas. I need your input as to why you love watching Kdrama.
Thanks😘😘

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Shorter lengths/episodes. Shows end ( no several seasons). Don't involve that much nudity or violence. But perhaps the two most important things are that the format isn't episodic (if there is a story it continues for all 16 plus episodes, doesn't end in one but medical dramas and thrillers are an exception to it) and they are really good with emotions. Everything that is conveyed has a strong emotional value to it and that is what makes them humanly. Also maybe that they are not limited to a single set, i like aesthetics and seeing people walk and go to different places.

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Everything @wapzy wrote I agree with and will just add:
all the fabulous coats!

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The fashion is often pretty cutting edge!

I also am devoted to kdramas for the OSTs.

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In the west, we get a lot of sitcoms that are basically characters we know, doing what we know they will do. Kdramas and asian dramas are about stories, meeting new people and new situations and following them through to their destinies. It's creative play and trust. An agasshi or ahjumma is prepared to be open-hearted and set to understand new worlds and new stories every six or so weeks, whatever those worlds are. There's something so wonderful in that and underneath it all a belief that stories are about our fellow human beings and the more we watch stories, the more we understand each other's paths.

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Tough one.
There are many reasons as to why I love kdrama. But the main one could how realistic they portray their characters and stories, how well organized they are, they are even predictable sometimes but you'd still enjoy them.

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Thanks guys

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I'm on board with what most people have said, but also the FOOD. There are so many great moments that centre around eating a meal (pardon my ignorance if there's a cultural explanation for this) - I'm trying to poke around my brain for any popular North American shows that do this as much, if at all. Save for shows about chefs/restaurants/etc.

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I mention this quite often so forgive if you've already heard of this. Kdramas and Asian dramas in general are based on what's known as ki-sho-ten-ketsu (4-act writing) as opposed to Western 3-act writing. Anime is a good example.
West: 1) introduce conflict (plot), 2) develop plot 3) resolve plot. There's usually a good guy/bad guy/winner and loser.
What I like about Kishotenketsu (including kdramas)
1) introduce characters 2) develop characters 3) some kind of complication, twist, etc 4) reconcile 1 and 2 with 3.
So this makes the characters more important than any plot driven play. I think it usually also means the characters have more depth and emotion. There may or may not be a 100% evil person or a totally 100% good guy. There might be a winner/loser, or there might be more shades of grey. There's so much more ability to play emotionally, which is what I look for in any drama. Thanks!

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What you say is pretty insightful, Linda, and explains why I, as a westerner, have trouble with Taiwanese dramas (the only other Asian dramas that appeal to me) -- I keep waiting for something to happen. However, you do an injustice to about 50% of western fiction, namely, that written by women. Like k-dramas (most of which are also written by women), novels written by western women tend to be character-driven. Jane Austen wrote k-dramas. Furthermore, market forces break western writing into many genres. Some genres, like thrillers, must be plot-driven. Others, like mysteries, depend more on characters. Some women excel at thrillers and some men excel at mysteries, but the weight of the distribution is the opposite of that.

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That reminds me, another thing I like about Asian dramas is they tend to mix genres. Not many western stories do that. In fact, an author friend of mine complained about a sf book I recommended because this author (my favorite) mix his genres and she said "you just don't do that!" Why not?
I didn't mean to do any injustice, I really was mainly thinking of plot-driven dramas and lumped all "Western" into the same category. I apologize for that!

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It might not be the case with others, but for me, I feel as if I can relate to (some) characters . For ex, my work situation isn't the same as Geu-rae's ("Misaeng") , but I found someone who would understand my frustration.

Kdramas also make me sympathize with (or hate) some fictional characters to the point where I feel like they're real. Besides the chaebols (who knows, though, I could maybe run into one some day?), they could have been my friends, my relatives, my acquaintances... They're people I root for, want happiness for. For ex, I keep imagining that Oh Jin-shim and Kwon Jung-rok ("Reach of Sincerity") were the reincarnations of Sunny and the Grim Reaper ("Goblin") , and I wanted them so badly to finally have a happy ever after. I'm not sure I'm that invested in a Western show.

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In addition to what a lot of people mentioned: The fact that the culture in kdramas is so different from my own added an element to my enjoyment of the shows - it still does. From the social structures that affect relationships, to the work and drinking culture - It is all just very different from what I am used to and yet so relatable in terms of the characters, that it is a joy to explore.

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I started watching to kill time per someone's recommendation (drama Jealousy) and I loved the romance in K-dramas. But more than anything it helped me to be up-to-date with what people are doing and thinking in Korea while I have lived away for so long and lost touch. Now I think I know more than I need to know. lol

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the length. it's incredibly appealing because it means everything will be wrapped up once so it's basically constant mini series that take out the stress for me? everything is so talked about etc and it can be so overwhelming so there are kinda less people floating in the drama world to make me feel fomo. there's also a certain charm.

i don't watch TV in general really, but i'm a filmmaker, but kdramas make me feel immersed enough and not dragging that i can feel in it. there's a diff set of values, too that i can look at and investigate through my own lens...

i don't want to say it's cos of the length only, it's not, but i think that gives me comfort. also i think the way friendships are portrayed is a lot more intimate just bc. actually it's a lot more complex than this but the length and the differences between western TV is a draw. when i start a kdrama i don't feel anxious? idk!

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Representation.

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Agree with most of what's already written. I think the extra benefit of typically restricted to one season is to allow actors/actresses a lot more opportunity to do different characters.
Look at Yeo Jin Goo, just in these last 3 years alone, he played Joseon king, student in alien sci-fi, King/Clown twin, and a robot.
Successful western shows typically get extended multiple season. So for example brilliant actor like Bryan Cranston play Walter White for 6 years in Breaking Bad (not that i complain, it was an awesome show).

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Hey, beanies! For all the Goblin lovers out there who were decimated by the demise of DramaFever ....Viki has it up!🎂🥂🍹!!!

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Great news, thanks for sharing!

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Thanks for letting us know!

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*finger hearts*

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A technical question. This is a tvN production acquired by Viki.
Did Viki acquire Goblin already subtitled?
If it did I think think that is a good thing. I would hope they would save their volunteers for new material preferably non Kocowa dramas since Kocowa is already english subtitling their dramas.
On the other hand Viki has its own style (which I prefer) including subtitling OST lyrics which Kocowa for example does not.

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Great question! I agree, who subs a drama is critical, especially for those dramas that carry a deeper meaning. I always prefer Viki, for the reasons you've mentioned....especially the songs, they carry a lot of the meaning

Initially Goblin was a Dramafever AND Viki production stateside, with each subtitling their own. So, this is a re-release, with their own subs from the first go round.

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I don't ever remember Goblin being available on Viki. I do remember, however, I'd always watch both if possible because sometimes the different subtitles would give a different meaning or a more subtle meaning. And Viki did sub the OSTs while annoyingly, DF did not.

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Is this where I shamelessly confess to having way too many services for a period of time??

Dramafever subbed faster, but Viki's were better.......

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@beantown And there's also ODK, AsianCrush, Youtube, tubi has some titles

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Nothing special really. Viki purchased a lot of dramas since DF closed. This drama has been released everywhere and subs are available, both official and unofficial, for quite a while. Just not in US.

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There's a new site called hotpot tv that has picked up many of DF's Chinese titles.

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Looked at it. Seems like it just picked up Cdramas. The fact that there’s a TVB drama makes me skeptical of its legality. Let’s see if those get pulled in a few months.

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I’m in the middle of a NOKDU FLOWER marathon frenzy... but I just realised I only have one episode left nooo! Can I wait a month for the drama to end and binge the remaining 8 episodes?? #kdramaaddictproblems

On ARTHDAL CHRONICLES: Ok, I’d dropped it officially, but I heard rumours of a great cliffhanger so I speedwatched ep. 6. The Wailing Wahan and the politicking - I skipped all of that. The 5 minutes that I did watch were great, that is, if I were a Neantal and could see in the dark.

Happy Friday!

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Regarding Arthdal, yeah, lighting seems to be an issue doesn't it? Night-vision goggles are almost a requirement to watch this show.

How are you liking Nokdu?

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I love NOKDU! It’s like a prequel to MR SUNSHINE but in this case the writers consulted the history books. I appreciate that the drama first made us care about a few main characters. Then they got involved in the epic events of 1894, but the show hasn’t lost its focus. This is how historical fiction should be done. I was so pumped after ep. 15 that I couldn’t sleep. How do you guys manage to live-watch this?

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Jung Hyun-min (the writer) used to work as a political aide for over a decade before becoming a script writer. He knows his history and politics well.
I'm even more intrigue that he is using fictional characters along with historical figures to tell the actual history.
I didn't care much about Yoon Si Yoon but he is doing great here. I hope he'll continue to work with solid writers and pds in the future.

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That’s good to know about the writer!

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@kiara Interesting details about the writer. Like you mentioned, the use of fictional characters intertwined with historical figures is quite good. It's just done so well here.

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YSY is amazing here. This is his best work for sure.

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@fan

I watched him when he was still green in BAKER KING and I've always find him charming but this is the first time I've ever loved his acting.
I really want to see him in a Park Kyung-soo drama.

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@wishfultoki Yes, Nokdu is certainly doing many things right! I'm really enjoying it also! I've only watched up to ep 12 though and I can only manage to watch two episodes a week.

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I have one episode of NOKDU FLOWER left because of bad internet connection... it might be a sign to stop it and binge watch.

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NOKDU is my baby! Waiting every week for new eps is a pain so I think I'll binge what's left since we don't have any more recap.
Cry it all out in one go.

I'm a loyal fangirl. I'm still ff-ing through ARTHDAL. I found my cure for insomnia so it's all good.

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Let’s see if we can hold out...

I do admire loyalty. I don’t expect ARTHDAL to improve but at least the cliffhangers are good. Which is bad because it makes it harder to drop it.

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I admit, I was at times bored with Arthdal, the scheming is uninteresting. Some uninteresting scene that keep me out of the story, but there is SJK come , I'm okay again.

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I think all the sleepy intro should be done and the next part "The Sky Turning Inside Out, Rising Land" would/should be more meaty.

I need more from Kim Ok-bin too.

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I thought Nokdu was 16/32 episodes. I was watching it so strategically I thought. Then I found out it is 24/48 and I screeched to a halt at ep 12/24. I refuse to live-watch a show I'm loving a LOT. But oh I miss it so so much...

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Well done! I should have stopped at episode 12 too- it’s just getting more intense. 4 more weeks!

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While kdrama slump persists, I have gravitated to C dramas. Unfortunately I just have Netflix available right now which has a few C dramas so the choice is limited.

Love O2O was my first contemporary C drama and woah I loved all of it. Specially the length, it was done in 30 episodes so I didn't feel it dragged. This show just proves that a good rom com can still work wonders. I have almost lost all hope for the rom com dept in kdramas but this one was so fun to marathon. This also proved how I have zero tolerance for jerk male leads anymore. Both Xiao Nai and Wei Wei were amazing but Wei Wei inspired me more than him. Xiao Nai was way too perfect to be human but Wei Wei was a very cool ideal girl. People like her actually exist and I liked how she paid no heed to any gossip. Even in rl pretty girls fall prey to useless gossip all the time and the show highlighted that so well. But well Yang Yang is so pretty/handsome.

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If you are searching for another youth C-drama rom com to watch, as the self-appointed president of Head and Shoulders Fan Club I recommend the delightful and funny Put Your Head on My Shoulder which also features the swooniest and most adorkable male lead!

All episodes are available on YT: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMX26aiIvX5o3JutuMl_GXEMUcK17Gn9c

Another similar but sillier watch if you are in the right mood is Accidentally in Love available on Netflix. It takes a couple episodes to settle into the story, but the heroine is kickass and the seemingly tsundere hero reveals himself to be a defenseless pile of goo against her.

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"Attention Love" is great. Its a coming of age Tdrama. Great characters, great pacing from starr to end.

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"Love in the storm" was quite good. i think that's on netflix.

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I really like Q-series "Love of Sandstorm" (Netflix's title "Love Storm")! It is a tightly written 7-episode tw-drama with wacky aesthetic. The sister tomboyish character and her story are great, but the drama is really about the growth of this small family of 5.

My favorite tw-drama rom com (or is it more a melo?) is the In Time with You which also has one of the nicest male leads in Dramaland. I dare anyone not to fall in love with Chen Bolin's puppy looks after watching it! 😆Despite the dated looks of the drama (it was filmed in 2011) the story will still tug your heartstrings in all the right ways!

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Chen Bolin...
*finger hearts*

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In Time WithYou.....downloading

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Also, A LOVE SO BEAUTIFUL. Still my favorite youth c-drama.

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A Love So Beautiful is a wonderfully written drama although if @wapzy has "zero tolerance for jerk male leads" it might be a difficult watch.

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I never thought he was a jerk, just shy and inexperienced.

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Agree, def not a jerk. If you want to see a jerk in cdrama, it has got to be the male lead in Well Intended Love. I would even argue that he's not nerely a jerk, but a pyscho and a criminal.

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And Le coup de foudre

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Too many C-dramas on to-watch-list when I'd like to spend some time on J-drama. Currently I'm watching loooong Ashes of Love. It is silly but child in me love bright colors and fairy tale romance (I fell for the lead actor, even checked him on the wiki- What? he is 27 and has 7 year old daughter?)
I didn't enjoy O2O like others-all I remember was game and thin FL. But I hope I can get to Le coup de foudre someday.

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Currently watching somewhere only we know on Netflix( there’s a movie as well by the same name)
Loving it so far!

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Happy Friday Beanies!

What's the another word for channel surfing except you don't change channels but just try watching various dramas on your computer and nothing works? I've got recommendations from well meaning beanies and also sites that show what's popular but nothing clicks.

I am actually watching two kdramas - Absolute Boyfriend and Angel's Mission. The latter which started so well became almost unwatchable last week. It improved this week but I sensed some inevitable angst coming up. Absolute Boyfriend - every time I want to drop it, something unexpected happens.

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gosh! i second the edit button @coffeprince4eva

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"What's the another word for channel surfing except you don't change channels but just try watching various dramas on your computer..."

I don't know exactly, but I guess we can go with "stream surfing" for the time being. Maybe(?).

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Haha....thanks @korfan Stream Surfing it is!

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I have a method for trying out dramas: watch the first few minutes of ep 1, go to 8 and watch a few scenes, then ep 14, etc., until something catches my interest and I say hmm, how did we get to this point? Or lately I can tell by the editing, cinematography, cheesy conversation, etc., that it just isn't going to get any better. Drop. But Absolute Boyfriend goes so back and forth it's like catching a fish: reel it in, drop it, reel it back in, drop it.

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Absolute Boyfriend: I feel exactly the way you do, the unexpected keeps me fascinated. Especially HJH's role (what's his name again?) He'll show sympathy and then say or do something jerkish, which then turns out to be for a reason, back and forth. I'm so curious which male will look like robot #2.

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I don't think Wang Joon is a real jerk. To me, the great wrong he did to Da Da was letting her get misunderstood and maligned as a stalker during the incident.

Him taking Da Da for granted, doubting his feelings for her and all are only human. They are reasons enough for Da Da to ditch him but it doesn't make him a bad person. What I do like about him is his ability to self reflect and admit he is wrong. I can't blame him for wanting to protect Da Da and suspecting or getting jealous of Young Gu because that is also part of being human. If Young Gu can get jealous and possessive of Da Da, why can't Wang Joon who was with her for 7 years and still cares for her?

As for robot#2, I think it should be Young Gu#2 but with long hair(see Arthdal Chronicles)

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I agree with you actually. I was thinking of robot fangirls' pov who would naturally think Wang Joon is a jerk. Personally, I'm totally in HJH and Wang Joon's camp and that's what keeps me watching.

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I have rewatched one of my most favorites this week: Wild Romance. And it has lead to rewatching What's Up like it always does. After WsU I might rewatch Chief Kim... Nothing makes me happy as much as rewatching a very good show does.

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That's actually what I did last night. Rewatched parts of my fav show.

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Started Empress Ki on a whim on Netflix and I am equally intrigued and annoyed. How did she reach adulthood posing as a guy? And a thug at that? Hasn’t ‘he’ even gone to those brothels and drank and pass out in the arms of a woman? Wouldn’t ‘his’ secret be out then? Am I thinking too much? Ok...

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That edit button needs to happen 😣😣😣😣

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I don't remember much of it but let me you: don't think too much when cross-dressing is involved. The story gets better when his real gender is revealed.

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Liquor cannot bring down Seung Nyang :-p . But, as @mango says, don't pay that too much mind; the cross-dressing won't last long anyway.

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Do you know she's a real historical figure? I find that fascinating. Doubt that in real life she grew up pretending to be a boy :p

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I watch One Spring Night, that I love. And when I'm waiting for the next episode, I rewatch clips of Pretty Noona. I was thinking this is a drama known for his kiss's s scenes or intim scenes but there never is close-up or different angles like kiss scenes in other kdramas. The PD is great to make us feel the intimacy without showing too much.

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I was thinking that One Spring Night basically flipped the Pretty Noona script (starting at episode 9) with a failing relationship, family disruptions, miscommunications and tentative situations which in the end turn into the original Noona chemistry between the leads. All we have seen now that the leads are dating is some playfulness and pecks but more personal doubts and guilt in a familiar one step forward, three steps back script formula.

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For this PD, it's always about the society and culture but the characters are pretty different so I doesn't bother me.

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I never had a smooth relationship with a guy so I can relate lol. Forward and back a few times. Some difficult break ups and some mutual.

There is always going to be social issues to address with PD Ahn's dramas because it bothers him.

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I really like this director. Once this show is completed, I think I'll pick it up (if no craziness happens) and watch it with my husband. We both enjoyed Pretty Noona to a point and he even liked the last episode of it.

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The last episode was so emotional! And the beer scene :D

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I actually liked one spring night much better. Other character turmoil is more explore than the leads, there is more character real struggle being explore through episode than pretty noona ever did. Their relationship built up not based on merely skinship, and bring up being a single daddy issue make it more interesting. I think pretty noona is decent. But might be the writers feeling pressure in her first project, it's not come smoothly

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Yes this is an improvement and I'll stop comparing this writer to the veteran Jung Sung-joo. It's unfair and annoying of me.

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I don't prefer one or the other. I think the relationships are very different and I like the both. In Pretty Noona, the characters were pretty immature but a lot of scenes were really beautiful. In One Spring Night, the characters are more mature and they know what they want.

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@kurama I don't know, I just feels the conflict the writers arise in One Spring Night had more room for interesting exploration. The conflict the writers bring in Pretty Noona has more limitation to expand the conflict as it's become repititive near the end for me.

@kiara : haha... Yess this is an improvement. And this writers seems know how to draw audience

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I can always tell which dramas I love the most because I plow right into them when the new episodes come out, while others it is like eating my vegetables. I am watching seven ongoing dramas and "Liar Game" because Shin Sung Rock (okay, and some recommendations)

I am a bit worried that when I move to Seoul at the start of August the Region fairy will shoot me in the ass. "Sorry, not available in your region." Last time I was in Seoul, a Netflix pick up wouldn't offer me the subtitles because reasons. >.<

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I hate the region fairy. Good luck to you with that.

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Haha, "eating your vegetables". I call that syndrome "taking my medicine". It can get pretty dreary.

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Oh dear, but maybe then you can learn Korean faster, because you are more desperate.

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So is Liar Game vegetables or dessert? :-) . The Region Fairy is a permanent resident in my part of the world, but you can always download those Netflix episodes to your tablet in advance; or go rogue like (ahem) not me...

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Liar Game is good, but I am only watching it when I am out of live episodes at the moment.

Right now Arthdal Chronicles and Abyss are my vegetables.

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Hahaha good to know, I guess I shouldn't start either of them...

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Hi Everyone! ..... I hope you are all doing well today.

Perfume - Do we know who sent the perfume and the reason why? That's kind of what I really want to know.

Nokdu Flower - What a good sageuk this has turned out to be. I'm half-way through this and at this point I'm wondering if Yi-hyun would risk his life to help out his brother Yi-kang if Yi-kang found himself in a bind, just as Yi-kang has helped him (and the family) a couple of times. Yi-hyun is so disillusioned and sinking deeper everyday into darkness, that I'm thinking he wouldn't.

Arthdal Chronicles - Twins!!

Angel's Last Mission - Shin Hye-Sun keeps me watching this show.

WWW: So intrigued about Ga-kyung's marriage. Among other things about it, it's interesting that her husband claims he'll protect her from practically anything/anyone yet he can't seem to protect her from his mother's harsh treatment. He may actually be more interested in protecting the family company rather than her though.

That's all for now. Everyone take care and have a great Friday!

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YES, woman! TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And WWW: Dang, these chaebol marriages are no joke. What's with powerful mother-in-law! Why does everyone bow to her? Is she so powerful or is everyone else just not willing to battle a pushy person? It just seems to me that she gets her way because folks allow her to. Or does she truly have power? Brian has power and he's chill in the way he wields it. Why must power be used like a hammer?

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So far, it seems the WWW mother-in-law has considerable influence both in the business and political circles. Everyone around her probably has so much to lose (shares, connections through association) that the don't want to risk getting on her blacklist. There seems to be something else in play between her and her daughter-in-law though, because the whole dynamic between them seems unusually tense.

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Damn! Interesting that so far she hasn't complained about having a grandchild.

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@scifiwritir I wouldn't be surprised if this detail might in fact be an issue complicating matters even though, as our fellow Beanie FlyingTool mentioned below, they married for business reasons.

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Story so far is rich families married for business reasons, her family went bust leaving her with no ground to stand on, especially since her parents are utterly dependent on the MIL. GG’s only use to the MIL is through Unicon, not having any economic or political power through her parents. GG is seen by her MIL as worthless.

GG and her husband’s relationship makes me want to know more.

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yeah, i have hope for them as a couple.

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Thanks for that background, I've really been wondering how they ended up together (esp if she's not from a chaebol family). But I still want to know much more about them!

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I just want to say that the actress playing the MIL is so good, just looking at her I get intimidated myself. I think people are afraid of her. I know I get apprehensive every time she shows up on screen.

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@natana I've seen this actress before, only a couple of times, in roles where she's been super sweet and nice. This role is quite the opposite! I agree, she is good here.

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Hey there, all:

Hoping all is well. Am wading through a migraine brought on by a major panic attack. So am trying to chill and finish up a story. The deadline loometh.

Dramaworld is all about competition with strong competitive men in Aide/Chief of Staff, strong competitive women in WWW, and competitive lovers in Spring Night. And i am so here for all of it. I was battling a drama slump about six months ago but am now excited about almost everything i'm watching.

Abyss: Dammit, that Yong Cheol! Serial killers whispering to their accomplices while dying is never a good thing.

Perfume is gonna lose me if it doesn't get its act together. I like silliness but i want silliness to soar. This feels a bit leaden, and i'm still wary of how they'll treat a fat character.
Spring Night: Giseok is so pitiful and insecure but so many of the powerful men in this drama are. I love his father though, although i fear he will do anything to make his son happy. He keeps out of things but when he interferes, he's a master manipulative. If Giseok hadn't been so fearful of his dad's disapproval in the beginning he would have his fiance right now. Am hoping Jiho can withstand all the shaming and noble idiocy that will be coming his way. Go Jiho, you're a manly man!

Arthdal: I've been fearing the separated sibling kdrama trope but alas, since it's here now i'll have to accept it. We know what Tagon's destiny is. It was given to him by the gods: to prevent humanity from regressing. We know Eunseom's destiny. It was given to him by Tanya: to be the dream of his people, the Wahan. The Wahan who seemingly are happy in their happy Edenic state and have no goals of evolving or moving beyond the Black cliffs. What is Saya's destiny?
Eunseom had face paint on when he met Tagon and covered his face a heck of a lot in a lot of dark scenes. Now i understand why. If Eunseom hid his face in those scenes because the twins are identical, then the writer would have to prevent Tagon from recognizing the relationship between Saya and Eunseom. Even if the brothers are fraternal, there would be some resemblance. So far none of these three, as far as we know, have dreamed of their destinies. Eunseom dreamed of being in the tower and now we know the dream was of his brother in the tower and not of himself. Tanya saw Saya in her dream and thought it was Eunseom. (So should i assume Eunseom won't be captured and placed in that tower room in the future?) And Tagon (says he) doesn't dream. If this is true, interesting that the god hasn't told him anything. Unless the god has told him quite a lot. Only the high priestess, the god Aramun, and Moobaek know about Tagon's destiny, and only the Wahan (including Tanya) know about Eunseom's destiny....although Tanya has released Eunseom from his name destiny. But the destinies of savior of the world (Tagon) and dream of his people (Eunseom) are written in their hearts, for whatever sane, insane, or human reason...

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Saya might be the one who enables our saviors to get their dreams without destroying each other. Go for it, Writer-nim! Tell your story and don't care what netizens complain about. I wish drama addicts would allow new stories to be told without getting all picky.

Secretary's secret: how sweet was that reunion!

Have a great weekend all.

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Yeah you're right. Most people criticize the plots of certain dramas, but it's not always a story goes the way we want.

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:-) So true. i remember how bent out of shape folks got with Heard it Through the Grapevine. It just got silly with how unwilling they were to go with the wrier's flow. I'm a pretty easygoing but when it comes to writers being criticized on the net for not writing a story the viewers/readers want, i tend to get my hackles up. Folks are just so close-hearted sometimes.

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Why were people bent out of shape with Heard it Through the Grapevine? I loved the writing for that drama, and it was the only work of PD Ahn's I've liked though the writing had more to do with that than the direction.

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People didn't like Heard it Through the Grapevine at one point? It's such a good drama tho.

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I don't remember a lot of people disliking it but then we only had 2 eps on recap.

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However, it will be better when it is longer episodes. 18 episodes is really not enough.

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i remember many folks wanting it to be a bit more familiar and whining about it. Those of us who liked it really liked it. But quite a few folks wanted more cheesiness rather than reality and hated the sageuk/kingdom undercurrent.

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I do not want more familiar stories. I do not like more cheesiness either. I want more of the backstory. That is for Arthdal Chronicles drama. Other than that, other dramas. I am ok but not really into it. I guess when you get older you tend to get choosy with dramas. That and being real busy in real life. You have no time for dramas. LOL 😂

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Thank you for that recap of the major characters and their motivations, it helps me put Arthdal in a better perspective.

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Thank you. So so much.
I know i'm being a pain but i so want folks to give this drama a chance. I really appreciate your comment.

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@scifiwritir Oh! Interesting take on Arthdal's Saya character that I hadn't considered! If this is in fact the case, I'll be particularly interested in how the writer handles the whole destiny-decision making issue. Or maybe it's my issue --- in that if everything is determined solely by destiny, then where does personal decision-making come in? Perhaps this isn't even an issue here, but it's often a running thought in shows such as this one. In any case, onto to the next episodes to see what happens!

Hope you feel better soon! Have a good weekend also!

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It seems as if there is destiny, and there is human power through words, and love (or woundedness) that is causing destinies.

I'm just trying to figure out the god. Does he just set the ball rolling and then leave our heroes to work it out? He seems to sometimes directly affect their lives, although not using dreams to tell them about their destinies seems a little hand-off. Yet, he trusts Moobaek and entrusts the truth to the high priestess and those badly-choreographed dancing priestesses. He did do that firefly show to get folks all impressed with Tagon. But after he (apparently) possessed Tagon, he left. Does Aramun go in and out of his heroes' bodies? Ultimately, will this god leave humanity after it has evolved? Is that his main goal? To cause them to evolve and to preserve his creation...then he disappears. Not sure if Aramun is the creator god, and not sure how many gods there are. The wolf god? the goddess?)

Funny thing is at this point, we the viewers are given heart-reasons to care about the Wahan but we don't really have any reasons to care about the humans evolving. Hey, i wouldn't mind them regressing but apparently regressing would mean the end of the saram.

Thanks for the kind hope. Am trying not to be a total wreck here.

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I think this is why I'm not invested - I don't care about anyone but the Wahan's and it doesn't look like there's any way for them to have a pleasant end. At best, maybe they'll bring some light to Arthdal.

Maybe part 2 will give me some reason to care what happens to the people of Arthdal.

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I understand somewhat. The writer seems to think that our worry about saving humanity is a given because we are all humans and every scifi, spy, war, or monster movie starts with the old "gotta save the world" trope as a given. But an intellectual given doesn't touch our hearts when we watch a story. So I can see people not being interested in Tagon's journey or destiny. Still, being interested in the wahan should make us worry about Tagon because he has power to kill them. So while i wish we could see more of Eunseom's journey and more about normal life in Arth, i can deal with the over-abundant politics.

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Was there a time Yeon Seo was unlikable? I love her to bits now. Must be SHS's magic.

I wouldn't call it world building but rather the writer's borrowing from different religions and beliefs and the mash up is like an abomination of all.

Bad writing and wasting a good cast is nothing new. It's one of those things we think should get better over time but it never does.

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OT, number ???. It’s been so long since I posted anything on the OT. It’s been crazy busy, and I’m trying to be a better mom, so less time on-line usually equates to more time with the kids and family. The summer started after the kids got out of school, drove to Florida for a beach vacation (and Beanie island party, part deux, and new summer kpop playlist), and finished “He’s Psychometric” and “Put Your Head on My Shoulder” while I was there. This month has been filled with weekend trips to Texas, Arkansas, and lastly to Oklahoma this weekend. The son is doing quite well was able to go to a summer school program in Texas (unfortunately, it’s about 12 hours from where we live, driving straight through) so for 3 weeks, will be there. We pick him up next weekend. I’ll also be at a conference next weekend in Texas as well. He’s surprised me. I worry a lot about him; he’s just not very self-reliant, but he’s an introvert, and has some major “quirks,” so it’s hard to know what he needs. But he got through doing coin laundry, through being trampled and needing stitches, and the sweltering heat so far! And he still wants to stay! My husband was planning on going down to see him last weekend to make sure he was still surviving, but he was doing so well, we decided to let him fly on his own. I’ve only had to speak to the director of the program once, so that’s encouraging as well. Daughter has also been gone this week with the cousins (hence, our trip to Oklahoma to pick her up). Her aunt is sorry to see her go. She was her little helper all week with 3 kids under the age of 5.

And we got PUPPIES! OMG, they are adorable, but poop and pee anytime they feel the urge, which is annoying. I’m catching them in time most times though. They are actually taking up all my time right now. And this week was all about date nights with the hubby, because we had NO KIDS.

What have I been doing kdrama-wise? Not too much. I’m watching “The Secret Life of My Secretary,” but slowly, and hope to catch up next week to squee on the fanwall about Kim Young Kwang (#firstactorbias). I’ve loved watching him grow as an actor and have not been the least disappointed in him this drama.

I also watched “Always Be My Maybe” and it was awesome! I loved it.
So, I had this conversation with the hubby:

Me: Do you ever wonder if you lived in Asia (like raised in Asia instead of being Asian American) if you would be able to date Asian people that were as attractive as Daniel Day Kim?

Hubby: No. But now that you mention it, I’m pretty sure I could date Daniel Day Kim.

Me: There’s just not as many opportunities in the US, right? I sometimes wonder that on the scale of attractiveness, if I would be attractive enough to date Daniel Day Kim with all the attractive people out there.

Hubby: I think you would be able to. We could double date him.

Me: LOLOLOLOL! That’s why I love you.

Moral of the story: We are all...

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...beautiful enough to date Daniel Day Kim.

2nd moral: Find a man secure in his relationship with you to joke about dating Daniel Day Kim.

3rd moral: Week with no kids comes to a close Saturday. *tear*

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Your puppy picture was so cute! I'm sure they are a lot of fun (in between the cleaning up). Girl, you have been doing some driving! That's wonderful to hear that your son is thriving in his new situation (but, stitches? That's above and beyond!).

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No kidding, something about a scavenger hunt, over-zealous pre-teens/teens, not being aware of your surroundings, getting run over by a mass of kids. He has some war stories now.

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Ouch! I admire your calm about it.

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Missed you in OT. Congrats on having new family (and having no-kids time).

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Aw, thanks!

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Ally, I have missed your OTs.
I have been pretty busy too. I envy your puppies (in a good way). My dream is to have one day a Chihuahua. But where I live right now it is not allowed.
We will see. I need to save money to be able to move.

Greetings! 🤗

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You too! I missed everyone!

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Daniel Day Kim is all right, but if we are dreaming about which actors from Always be My Maybe we get to date, I choose Keanu Reeves. Wait no, I choose Randall Park. Or would I rather hang our with Ali Wong? Well dang, I hope they are okay with polyamory.

Welcome back to OT. I'm glad your son is managing at camp despite what sounds like it being rough (literally) at times.

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He’s complaining that he has to do a “fun” lip sync competition now.

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I would also hate that. He has my sympathies.

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At least their group chose MJ’s Thriller. Props to them. Son is playing an undead Zombie.

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They are so adorable. I’m spoiling them rotten.

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Welcome back to OT! A high-five to your son for participating in the summer program and handling that Texas heat!

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Thanks! It’s definitely a growing experience for him!

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It has been a long, long week, but we're finally here! This evening, I'm leaving for a one week trip to the East Coast to visit universities that I might want to apply to. Traveling is always super exciting for me, but I'm so sad it's only for one week. Hopefully, I'll be able to make the most of every day and understand even more about the college life I'll be entering soon. I'll be desperately trying to avoid Search and Spring Night spoilers on DB in the meantime. Hope you have a great weekend everybody! Sending love ~~

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Have a great time looking at Universities! Go somewhere that makes you happy, that's all that matters. You can get a good education anywhere in the US, really. If you can go to a cheaper place so that you are not drowning in loans later, that's what I would recommend (no debt, no worries)!

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Hope you find one that fits to your taste

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Sukkie, have a great trip, you will learn so much this week 😮! But please don't discount Midwestern schools like Washington University in St Louis and, oh yeah, Northwestern (seriously, Chicago is great, I grew up there). If you came to WU, we could fangirl together!

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Omg you're at WU?? I might go there just for you 😂 I would really love to go to Northwestern. It's a good school for my intended major.

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Go to Northwestern and hang out with meeeeeee in Chicago

Also I’m applying to their PA program

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I hope you get into the program! And I hope I get into Northwestern!!

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Yes, come on down to beautiful WU in the Land of the Arch! I live less than a mile away and can be your in-town halmoni! What is your planned major?

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I'm thinking of majoring in biology at the moment. I've done a lot of biology research in high school, but I still haven't decided whether or not I want to go into medicine. So I'm just looking for a school with good biology research opportunities.

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@sukstan hmmmm not that I'm a pushy alum or anything but you know WU is known for its pre-med programs and the med school is among the top in the country 😁! Just a thought ❤️

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Have a great time on your trip! May you find the university that suits you best!

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