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Class of Lies: Episodes 3-4 Open Thread

With the first two episodes of set up complete, the drama kicks into full gear as our undercover teacher begins to learn what Cheonmyeong High School (a.k.a. Hell School) is really like.

 
EPISODES 3-4 WEECAP

As if we weren’t already convinced how awful the school was, Episodes 3 and 4 give us an inside look at all the wheeling and dealing that goes on amongst the students, and their complex (and kind of brutal) student hierarchy. Cheonmyeong High School definitely operates like the animal kingdom on steroids — we have the bullies, blackmailers, loan sharks, dark horses, scapegoats, and underdogs.

We knew the students at the top of the food chain ruled the school from a social level, but they also rule its academics. This week we watch them gather secretly, with Yoo Beom-jin as the master of ceremonies, and decide who should win which awards, who needs which specs to inflate their school record, and so on. These self-called “predators” are smart, and that’s what makes them even more scary.

As I watch this drama, I find myself scrambling for someone in the student body to trust, but I find I don’t trust any of them at this point — least of all Beom-jin. He seems to save the day during the awful rooftop party/fight that opened Episode 3, and often acts as the peacekeeper amongst the top students, but can we really trust him?

Early on, Moo-hyuk does some sneaky question asking (not the first or last time for that!), to find out what Beom-jin will say about Kim Han-soo. He answers that Han-soo is “a wound for all of us.” He’s incredibly heartfelt in this scene, talking about the students’ psyche and how they’ve been emotionally damaged by the murder case. Then he walks away, and we see his facial expression switch entirely. Class of lies liars, indeed!

We also get a closer look at some of the students’ individual stories this week, and it is none too pretty. We’ve got our textbook evil and manipulative parents destroying the lives of their children, but the drama goes a step beyond that. Whether these students were born awful or made awful by their upbringing, Class of Lies is shaping up to be a Lord of the Flies-level look at just how depraved people can be when the rules don’t apply to them.

That this school is corrupt is no question, but the depths to which it goes seem unfathomed at this point. And the heights too, for that matter, since we also get a nasty look at the chief of administration LEE TAE-SEOK (Jeon Seok-ho) and his shady dealings. Can we talk for a minute about how he can be both cheesy and terrifying at the same time? Those Joker-esque smiles of his are first-class creepy.

As if the school wasn’t already rotten to the core, we even witness how the teachers and the top students work together for their mutual benefit. They’ve got a pretty slick transaction going on — but lucky for us, we have Moo-hyuk and So-hyun who are getting wise to what’s going on.

I’ve been looking forward to Moo-hyuk and So-hyun joining forces, and it’s nice to see the start of that happening in Episode 4. They go over student records like case files, and we get some good backstory on Kim Han-soo and Jung Soo-ah that fleshes out a little more of who they are/were.

Their story is important, since the murder case acts as the hinge on which the entire drama turns. Even though it’s not being actively investigated, it’s the common denominator of each plot line, and each character’s story leads us towards unraveling the mystery around it. Of course, each breadcrumb leads to a bigger breadcrumb, and right now Moo-hyuk’s biggest problem is that he’s now being targeted by the students. They’re bringing their best against him, even if it means photoshopping him in bed with So-hyun to create a scandal (I had to LOL over the goofiness of that selfie).

The contrast to all of the manipulation, evil-doing, and depravity is, of course, the law — the very rules that the students (and administration) at Cheonmyeong High School seem to live outside of. Or live outside of for now.

Wielding the law as a weapon, for either defense or offense, is a theme that’s been developing in the drama. There’s even a telling classroom scene where Moo-hyuk snatches a student’s phone and makes the class argue with him about the legal ramifications around his action. It’s a great scene that not only pulls out the themes about using and interpreting the law, but reveals a lot about our characters, too.

Moo-hyuk might be disbarred and disgraced according to his colleagues, but he knows how to hold his own in hell school. Watching him act like a buffoon and/or ingratiate himself to the administrators is quite amusing, but he’s also got his wits about him — and a very useful beanie-wearing hacker friend. It doesn’t take them long to unearth quite a few secrets.

Episode 4 might have ended with Moo-hyuk confronting student/idol trainee NA YE-RI (Tiny-G’s Kim Myung-ji) for her involvement in the underground student portal and rumor mill around Jung Soo-ah, but this is definitely only the first thread in all the unraveling that’s to come.

 
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I pass. I'm lovin' 'Moments at Eighteen' instead. My heart is melting with Ong Sung Woo's role.

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My favorite scene from these episodes were the ones where they talk about the law in the class. It was really fun and entertaining to watch and it shows the characters of the students.

I know I am not supposed to trust Beom-jin but I just love Jun in any character he is in and I am liking that Beom-jin is not an entirely evil character. I want him to stay in character but do something great, at least in the future.

To be honest I did not expect to see Jun and Choi Kyu-jin together in a drama being evil teenagers after being the cute bros I adored so much in Avengers Social club. I need to watch that show again to cleanse the image I had of these two.

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Ahhhhh.. true... Hee-soo and Soo-gyum! They've been best friends since then,LoL.

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It feels weird to see them here as friends but not really friends. I WANT MY SWEET BROMANCE BACK. HAHA

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HAHAHAHAHAHA.. with Soo-gyum's jealousy that her stepmom preferred to Hee-soo's ramyeon than his....

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Now you are making me want to rewatch Avenger's Social Club! HAHA.

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@sensationalfantasy, LoL... thinking about ASC is making me want to eat Hee-soo's seafood ramyeon.. oh well, I've been thinking about that serial a while ago, and now it's making it stronger for that ramyeon, LoL. Maybe I need to plan a trip to my Korean grocery this weekend to buy some ramyeon, LoL

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I might go to a Korean grocery next week once my classes starts. I need to make Hee-soo's seafood ramyeon and buy some melona lol

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I love that show so much. It's so underrated and yes I love how jealous he got over her liking his friend's ramen more.

I do find it a bit disconcerting to see both boys in this as almost amoral characters. I want them both to be good! And in love!

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@leetennant I just saw your comment (and mine as well) and dang I still had high hopes for a cute scene with the two boys back when this show was only on episodes 3-4. Little did I know what was in store for us in the future episodes HAHA

I'll just rewatch the cute in Avengers Social Club. I need them being cute.

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@sensationalfantasy
Yes I'm talking to myself in old recaps, an unfortunate consequence of watching a show late.

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@sensationalfantasy, I found myself re-watching ASC last weekend, LoL....

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@missvictrix Thanks!

I'm not watching this, at least not yet. But hurray for wee caps! Maybe DB can cover more dramas these way. We know how challenging it must be to recap in full and most of the time, we have no way of knowing which drama has more audience or draws more discussion. Those who are watching need space to talk about the drama so a weecap and open thread is a great idea!

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I'm not watching this either but I agree on having at least an Open Thread for each show so that we can all spazz in one place. :-)

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I'm liking this drama unexpectedly, it's a nice contrast to "Moment at Eighteen", I can actively dislike all this student and wish them the worst.

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I dont know Moment at Eighteen is giving me a few I dislike without being to swayed by their past/ reasons/pressures. We'll see I'm making time for 3-4 tonight

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It's so satisfying to watch him catch hold of their weaknesses. I don't know what it is about this show, but I'm hooked.

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Thanks for this! I don't understand why not many people watch this drama... to me I've never seen writing so tight and pace so appropriate. There's something so satisfying (for lack of a better word) to watch evil (and immature) kids.

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I like the mix of the different parts : investigation, undercover and school. Mr Temp. has a lot of job to do, almost everybody in this school seem to be bad...

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This drama has an amazing quality to draw me in despite the cesspool that is the school. Is our gym teacher the only good person in the whole place, among all the administrators, teachers and students? The message is familiar -- money and the drive to get into/stay in the top echelon of society corrupt everyone; parents and children/students and fellow students may be loyal to one another, but there's very little love going around. On the one hand, I want to see Moo-hyuk, So-hyun, hacker friend, and Ms. Prosecutor bring them all down. On the other hand, I'm wondering whether I want to hang out in the swamp long enough to see that happen....

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What a mess, they are really awful people, I can't wait for the takedown

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I’m loving this show. The intensity. The stakes are so high for both students and adults. I must say I want to see more bitchface prosecutor over the nagging nice PE teacher. Her kindness without the intelligence and power to help is frustrating to watch. Besides the teacher that are involved, it seems the others are just either dumb or playing dumb. I guess that’s what the school is looking for.

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Ha ssaem is so naive it's getting on my nerves. And I tend to adore the innocent ones. Maybe because she's an adult.

Ki KangJe, please, be smart.

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U think she would have a bit of idea what is going on working each day inside that school,how blind can one be not to see it's shady even more when she says she cares a lot about her students,her ignorance is nowere cute...I was actually amazed she said her students are nice kids...At least the other teachers more than sure are pretending and doing just their jobs limiting to teach their material(because let's face it,involving so many powerful people what can they even do except ending like Moo-hyuk without anything over night)

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I want to see her be less naive too. How can someone be so blind to what's going on?

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The teacher is getting on my nerves shes getting all righteous and making snap judgments without asking him Once what his reasons were for being there. She just assumes and goes from there. Even after she has witnessed him literally getting sliced to protect a student from harm she still is determined to insist he has to be some kind of monster.

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I really wanted to slap some sense into her.

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exactly, I know its just a character but she is still pressing my buttons

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Wouldn't your first question be: why are you here?
These characters are always naive, warriors of justice and really really stupid. Just once I'd like to see this kind of female character be smart and strategic, or at least aware of what's going on but feeling impotent about it.

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Now that would be a good watch. I dont see why they didnt make her as smart and capable as yoon kyun sang. Then they could be partners instead of whatever the heck they're doing. She has more conversations with a female student than with her fellow adults. Which is putting alot on the student honestly. I mean the student is capable but if she is so into protecting her students she could be making her informant into a target

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Oh I thought that too. It's almost like the student is the adult, not the teacher. It's weird.

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It took awhile for me to figure out "Class of Lies" was the same series as "Mr. Temporary" over on VIKI. The wildly variant show titles makes life somewhat difficult. The VIKI title makes it sound like a rom-com, but it certainly doesn't look like a rom-com.

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For right now based on just feel i think the one who killed Su Ah is Yoo Beom Jin...Can't wait for Kang Je to find out the whole picture of what happened before and that night and make the ones responsable pay in some way or another and the adults who are part of this...It's quite frighting to see that this kids have no fear of anything and think of death/life sooo little mainly because they know their background will have their backs and whatever they do they will be fine...Rotten to the core and even more when going out into the real world...All in all,all of them are responsable for this tragedy in a way or another and is sad and scary how they don't have any once of guilt and even laugh at it without any remorse...Also why it helps them keep the things shut as each one has a part in this story(the stalker with the room full of pictures,the one who spread the stories)...Beom Jun is the smartest of them all and uses it in his advantage and manipulates them to do his bindings while putting this facade of good guy,or bystander who feels for the unlucky ones something that actually makes him the scariest among his group...Atleast the others are in your face and know what to expect from them...Also,among the actors playing the students Jun is the most known so i guess aside from making his char. look really supicious that is another reason why i suspect he is involved...Just waiting for Kang Je to give them that lesson...I know being on OCN the show won't have problems going raw and dark but still hope it will deliver the justice and with the help of the Procuror the ones who did wrong will be punished...

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Yup I want them all to burn.

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😱 I have only found out about this post for Class of Lies ep 3-4.. I didn't know DB will continue with this one.. 🤣

(Doubtful Victory recap has made me traumatized a bit.. 😅)

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This drama got me hooked. I am interested to see who among the evil quartet will goin down first. M
y bet on the trainee and lawyer's son.

The single mindedness if gym teacher start to annoys me. she seems to exist as liability for mr.temporary.

I wonder if genious kid actually fell in love with the murdered student seeing the perfect bitch recalled her memory when they watched movie together and he left her. But he seems genuine with her affection toward perfect bitch. Then again, i have to remind myself the genious kid could be actually a psychopath who manipulate everyone there.

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Thanks @missvictrix for the Weecap. At least with some of the students and parents in BEAUTIFUL WORLD guilt gnawed away at their consciences but it looks like Cheonmyeong High School is a school for the formation of sociopaths.

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The theme that struck me in this was the theme of bullying. There's a strong undercurrent of bullying throughout - so far we've seen teachers, lawyers and prosecutors be bullied. And so when a student says there's nothing he can do about bullying because that bullying has been completely normalised throughout society, I can't help thinking he's right.

There's an interesting point here too about the theme of justice and using the law to defend yourself. It manifestly cannot defend you from bullying, which we've seen time and time again. If a prosecutor can't use the law to defend herself against bullying, then how can a highschool student?

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