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Hotel del Luna: Episode 6

This episode shows us more about our heroine and her hotelier’s pasts, which goes a long way towards explaining why they behave the way they do to each other. They can’t deny that they’re drawn to each other somehow, though that fact is making at least one of them remember things she’d rather not remember. The past is something Man-wol would prefer to leave behind her.

  
EPISODE 6 RECAP

As he waits for his subway home, Chan-sung thinks about Man-wol telling him not to feel lonely when it’s time for him to see her off to the next world. He’d stopped her from walking away with a hand on her arm, and she’d joked that she’s not going yet, not until she’s made him sick and tired of her.

There’s a strange man lying on one of the subway seats, and when he turns over, Chan-sung startles at the huge gaping wound in the back of the man’s head — he’s a ghost. Chan-sung says he shouldn’t be here, and the ghost’s response is to start spitting at Chan-sung, lol.

Chan-sung gets the ghost to follow him to a convenience store, where he buys him a beer and tells him about Hotel del Luna. An excited crowd of teenagers gets Chan-sung’s attention, and he sees that Kim Joon-hyun, Man-wol’s celebrity crush, is in the store. The students follow Kim Joon-hyun when he leaves the store, and so does Chan-sung’s ghost, ha.

Man-wol is watching Joon-hyun’s show in her office right now, as Seo-hee tells her that Yoo-na, “Ms. Fourth Choice,” came by the hotel today and wants to intern. Man-wol says she doesn’t care, so Seo-hee decides to put Hyun-joong in charge of training Yoo-na.

Man-wol finds her missing earring on her desk, the one Chan-sung kicked when he was mad. She perks up to know that it was probably Chan-sung angling for another “leaf” (her approval) from her. Chan-sung isn’t answering his phone, so she calls Sanchez.

Sanchez says that Chan-sung isn’t home because his girlfriend from the States came by today. Man-wol stops in her tracks at that, then she startles Sanchez by suddenly appearing in his yard. With a deceptively cheerful smile, she asks about the girlfriend, then claims not to be the least bit curious about her… then threatens to kill Sanchez if the girlfriend turns out to be pretty.

Mago is at the ancient tree, and she recalls Chung-myung and the princess he was in charge of protecting. She says that their bond has lasted a long time, and that she hopes he takes care of her so that she’s not hurt again.

Chan-sung follows the students to a restaurant where Kim Joon-hyun is filming an episode of The Guys Who Died After Eating.The boys scurry off to Kim Joon-hyun’s van to get his autograph, and Chan-sung almost follows them, but chickens out.

He runs into Man-wol on his walk home, and she asks if he met (someone), thinking his girlfriend. He says he did, thinking of Kim Joon-hyun. He tells her to go see for herself, but she snaps that she doesn’t want to, confusing the hell out of poor Chan-sung.

He grins when he sees that she’s wearing her lost earring, and she says that since he found it, he has to come eat webfoot octopus with her. As usual, Chan-sung says that she’s just making excuses because she’ craving webfoot octopus, and Man-wol snaps back asking if he’s sick of her already.

As they head towards the car, Chan-sung asks if Man-wol is sure she doesn’t want to see Kim Joon-hyun. When Man-wol realizes he’s right down the street, she shrieks at Chan-sung for not telling her sooner and takes off at a dead run.

They’re too late to meet Man-wol’s idol, so Chan-sung tries to cheer her up by sitting her in the same chair he sat in and feeding her the same hangover soup he ate. Chan-sung muses that the restaurant will do well now because of Kim Joon-hyun, but Man-wol says it would have done well anyway and gestures to the owner’s baby girl.

She says the baby has built up a lot of good karma in past lives, and was born very lucky. At Chan-sung’s interest, Man-wol confirms that being bad in past lives results in being reincarnated as a pig or a dog, which makes him really worried about Man-wol’s chances in her next life, hee.

She says she’s paid for her crimes by running the hotel, but Chan-sung points out that she doesn’t treat the customers very well. Man-wol tells him that her next life is none of his business, but Chan-sung protests that he’s worried about her, admonishing her to “Be nice!”

He says she can start with the ghost he sent to the hotel earlier, but Man-wol chastises him for talking to unknown ghosts in case they’re evil spirits. She tells Chan-sung that such evil spirits are the ones that turn to dust when the Grim Reaper catches them.

Speaking of Reaper, he’s heard about the ghost that escaped the hotel, and he tells Bartender Kim and Seo-hee that her soul is filled with hatred towards humans. He warns them that he’ll hold the hotel responsible if she causes any trouble, and although she’s dangerous, Seo-hee says she feels bad for her.

A young man is working late alone in his office when he gets a pop-up on his computer. It’s a website that plays video of women’s bedrooms without their knowledge, and the man watches as a woman undresses beside her bed.

He leans closer to see her face, and suddenly she looks directly at the camera — it’s the escaped ghost from the hotel. She asks, “Do you like it? I’m hot, aren’t I?” Her face morphs into a horror mask, and she reaches out of the man’s computer monitor. He dies with his eyes burned red by her fingers.

Yoo-na texts Hyun-joong, wanting him to let her come to the hotel for training. Buoyed by the rumors that she’s possessed, the other girls plan to throw a carton of milk at her, but all of their phones start getting empty text messages at once, freaking them out. HAHA, it’s Hyun-joong, and Yoo-na fails to hide her excitement when she sees him.

She tells Hyun-joong that she’s prepared to quit school in favor of working at the hotel, and he guesses that it’s because she’s being bullied. She says that the real Yoo-na was an awful person so she actually enjoys seeing how much others hated her, but Hyun-joong can tell that’s not the truth.

He says that he had lots of fun in school, veering off into a story about the love triangle between the servant, his nanny, and his father’s driver. Yoo-na asks if he was disappointed to live such a short life when he was born privileged. Hyun-joong admits it, and tells her to enjoy school while she can.

Yoo-na tries to talk Hyun-joong into playing the school’s piano for her, but the bullies come in and, knowing Yoo-na could play, they tell her to play a song. She never learned in her previous life, so her hands shake, and she’s the only one who can see Hyun-joong slide his hands under hers so that it looks like she’s playing. It convinces the bullies to leave, and the song reminds Hyun-joong of something he can’t seem to forget — his little sister, Hyun-mi.

At the hotel, Bartender Kim says it would be more appropriate for him to train Yoo-na, but Seo-hee says that Hyun-joong and Yoo-na being close to the same (living) age will give them an important connection. Bartender Kim is worried because Hyun-joong is also developing an emotional attachment to Chan-sung, but Seo-hee says that Hyun-joong also knows that the hotel may disappear if he sides with Chan-sung.

They’ve noticed that the leaves on the ancient tree are growing, and when the leaves shake like there’s a sudden wind, they guess that Chan-sung has gotten Man-wol riled up. HAHA, it’s because Chan-sung has decided they should sell the cars that Man-wol isn’t using, and she argues that she’s using them as decoration.

Poor Chan-sung looks like he has a mother of a headache, hee. Man-wol asks him what his problem is with her cars, and he shows her that she can’t even cover next month’s credit card bills. He says that nobody is interested in buying the Mount Baekdu painting, and Man-wol squawks when she learns that he sent the young groom’s parents’ black card back.

Chan-sung snaps that he doesn’t want her to be reincarnated as a pig or a dog. She asks why he even cares, since even if she’s reincarnated as a chicken she’ll just show up in his soup saying, “Hello, I’m tastier when you eat me with fresh kimchi!” PFFT, this conversation no longer makes sense.

Chan-sung goes to the sky bar to commiserate with the other employees. They tell him that Man-wol and the hotel used to be very poor, and in flashback we see them sitting around with Man-wol circa the Korean War, planning to wheedle food from the U.S. Army trucks. Meanwhile, Man-wol sits in her office surrounded by luxury, defiantly snarling that she will continue with her champagne-and-caviar lifestyle.

Chan-sung says that if Man-wol’s been poor before, then she can certainly survive on a lot less. Hyun-joong starts to warn Chan-sung that he’ll be kicked out if he insists, but Bartender Kim smacks him to shut him up. He tells Chan-sung that he’s doing a great job and they’ll just have to suck it up and live frugally (as they sip their fancy drinks, ha).

A man, dressed in royal robes and surrounded by guards, is attacked by assassins in the palace. He suffers a coughing fit and the director yells “Cut!” LOL, it’s just an actor (cameo by Lee Yi-kyung) filming a sageuk titled “The Crowned Queen.” PFFT.

The actor steps outside to practice his lines, having been told by the director to sound more kingly. Another man in identical robes yells at him for daring to stand in his way, and the actor falls back, hitting his head on the stone steps and knocking himself out. The ghost king watches, wondering why nobody can hear him.

He ends up at Hotel del Luna, and Hyun-joong assumes by his robes and regal entitlement that he’s the ghost of a dead king. Everyone at the hotel is excited to have a real king visiting, and Man-wol orders them to give him the very best service — you can practically see the dollar signs sparkling in her eyes.

As they’re all bowing to the king, Chan-sung does some mental calculations, but he can’t figure out which king this is. The king is taken to the VVIP room and showered with fancy food and even a gold chamber pot, and Man-wol goes so far as to put a halt on any new guests while the king is at the hotel.

Chan-sung asks which king their guest is, since some of them were horrible tyrants, and brags that he’s served royals before. Annoyed, Man-wol orders Chan-sung to go, and not to come back until he’s sold the Mount Baekdu painting, though she gives him permission to cut the asking price in half.

But his questions about the king have her doubting his authenticity. He signed the guest register with the name “Lee Hyun,” so Man-wol runs through the sageuks she can recall (Seo-hee points out that Lee Hwon from The Moon That Embraces the Sun was fictional, hee). Hyun-joong looks up the name on his phone and finds that it’s the name of a king in a current sageuk, played by Yoo Oh, the actor we saw earlier.

Man-wol gloats, but Seo-hee says that he’s another made-up character. After some research, Seo-hee tells Man-wol that The Crowned Queen is a drama about a queen who hires a gisaeng doppelganger to take her place in the palace. Gee, that sounds familiar. Man-wol asks why the ghost would claim to be a fictional character, so Seo-hee explains that he’s actually a minor actor named Bang Tae-woo.

The Crowned Queen was to be his first leading role, but he died of a heart attack before filming started. Evidently he was so invested in the role that after his death, he convinced himself that he really is a king. Embarrassed, Man-wol tells the others to put Ghost Bang on the bus to the afterlife first thing in the morning.

When Chan-sung hears that the king isn’t a king, he can’t resist saying “I told you so” to Man-wol. She yells that Ghost Bang must have really wanted that role, and that he’s a good enough actor to fool them all, so he deserves to be treated as a king.

Apparently Yoo Oh, the actor playing the role that was to be Ghost Bang’s, is popular, but a terrible sageuk actor. Chan-sung acknowledges that Ghost Bang would have been great in the role, and he approaches Man-wol with an idea — he wants to help their guest realize his dream of being an actor.

They send a pizza truck to the set of The Crowned Queen, which gives them an excuse to visit the set. Chan-sung goes to find the shooting schedule, leaving Man-wol to watch over the pizza truck, and she growls at the actress playing the queen (cameo by Pyo Ye-jin) when she asks her to deliver pizza to the costume staff.

Man-wol overhears Yoo Oh on the phone with his manager, complaining about his neck injury and refusing to work the last two weeks of shooting. He rips off his neck brace — he’s faking, he just wants out of the drama. When Chan-sung returns with the shooting schedule, Man-wol reads that the king isn’t in very many scenes left to be shot.

While rehearsing his lines (“Wow, I’m really bad!” ha), Yoo Oh follows a woman he thinks is the actress playing the queen, hoping she can help him. He’s surprised to see Man-wol instead, and she looks him in the eye and addresses him as “Your Majesty.” Ghost Bang steps into Yoo Oh’s body, and he suddenly takes on the gaze and bearing of a king.

They film the scene where the impostor confesses that she’s not the true queen, and Ghost Bang plays his part perfectly. When they’re finished, he slides out of Yoo Oh’s body, leaving the actor with no idea what just happened. Their plan is so successful that Ghost Bang agrees to possess Yoo Oh for the remainder of his scenes, saving the show and the actor’s reputation.

Man-wol tells Yoo Oh that she’s an acting coach, a very expensive one, and he’s more than happy to pay her whatever she wants. Chan-sung rolls his eyes, but since their guest agrees and considers this his payment for staying at the hotel, he accepts the situation.

Man-wol had no idea that actors made so much money, and she tells Chan-sung that he should go into acting. He waves her off, saying that he’s a horrible actor, hee. Man-wol suddenly remembers that she never got to eat webfoot octopus, so Chan-sung offers to take her to the coast, and she accuses him of being nice because she’s going to be his last guest.

He says that’s not true, since hoteliers aren’t supposed to have personal feelings for their guests. Man-wol huffs, but Chan-sung clarifies that he means the leaf, and she decides she’s not in the mood for webfoot octopus today. She tells him that she hired an intern, and Chan-sung finally meets Yoo-na, who tells him to quit whenever he’s ready, ha.

She wants to follow him back to the hotel since she can’t find it during the day, but he says he’s meeting someone, so Yoo-na leaves. Chan-sung’s ex-girlfriend MI-RA (Park Yoo-na) arrives, and Yoo-na watches through the window as Chan-sung greets her.

Man-wol gets dressed up super fancy to go to the coast and have webfoot octopus with Chan-sung. Hyun-joong offers to call Chan-sung and tell him that Man-wol is waiting, though he says he feels bad interrupting him since he’s with Mi-ra. HA, Yoo-na’s already told him about the pretty girlfriend.

He says he’d hate to see Chan-sung grow old alone like Manager Noh did. Man-wol’s enthusiasm drains right out of her, and she tells Hyun-joong to clear the hotel’s beach because she’s decided to go there instead.

Mi-ra asks what brought Chan-sung back to Korea, and he asks if it makes her nervous to see him here. He says he thought it was strange for her to suddenly turn up so he asked around, and found that she got kicked out of her parents’ house after taking out a loan.

Mi-ra says it was a small loan and she’ll easily be able to pay it off on her doctor’s salary. Chan-sung says that’s good, because he wants the money he loaned her back. Mi-ra says this isn’t why she wanted to see him, doing her best to charm Chan-sung, who’s having none of it.

He abruptly jumps up, having seen a familiar form outside. Grabbing a pen and a piece of paper, Chan-sung chases down Kim Joon-hyun (cameo as himself) and gets his autograph for Man-wol. He even thinks to get a photo, but when Man-wol calls him, he doesn’t get a chance to tell her his news before she cancels their trip to the coast and orders him to take the day off.

She sits alone under the ancient tree, and a firefly flits through the leaves above her head. The scene changes to one from Man-wol’s past — she’s siting by a lake, and she’s joined by Chung-myung. Man-wol says she came to drink alone and orders him to get lost.

Ignoring her, Chung-myung reaches up to gently catch a firefly, and they both watch as he sets it free to join the thousands hovering over the lake. Chung-myung says that things are different now that he’s with Man-wol, and that even familiar things will look different to her when she sees them with him. He assures her that drinking alone won’t be enjoyable anymore, because she’ll be waiting for him to show up like he did today.

Shaking off the memories, Man-wol walks away from the ancient tree. On one branch of the tree, a small blue flower bud begins to bloom.

Mago tells her sisters gleefully that the tree at Hotel del Luna is finally beginning to look pretty. The sisters discuss whether Chan-sung is the poison or the remedy — or maybe he’s both.

Yoo-na sits in a Subway trying to decide if it’s weird to invite a ghost to have a sandwich with her. She notices the man at the next table looking intently at his phone, then he leaves without touching his food. He finds a bathroom to watch a naughty viral video he’s heard about, and the ghost in the video kills him like she did the last guy.

Man-wol ends up on the hotel’s beach after all, and she makes a call to have the sun turned down, lol. Chan-sung joins her and admits that he came because he did something silly. He warns her very seriously not to laugh, then shows her the autograph from Kim Joon-hyun, which says, “To Ms. Jang Man-wol, I love you.”

She asks if he’s confessing, so he pouts and points out the autograph. Man-wol just stares at him, but when he asks if she doesn’t like it, she says softly that she loves it. Chan-sung preens a little, then says that this beach is nice even though there are no webfoot octopus.

Man-wol looks out over the water as she says, “It’s okay, because you’re here.” She adds, “It makes me sad. I’m a little sad because the ocean looks more beautiful now than it did earlier.”

  
COMMENTS

So bittersweet. If Chan-sung is the reincarnation of one of the men Man-wol loved a thousand years ago — and I believe that she knows who he is — it’s clear that it doesn’t make her happy to see him again. I’m not sure why that is… maybe she betrayed him, or he betrayed her, or she has a secret she doesn’t want him to know. However Chan-sung is connected to Man-wol’s past, she seems to be slowly accepting it, but that acceptance is causing her pain as if she’s bracing herself for something terrible.

As for their current selves, I love this stage of a relationship in dramas, when the two people involved are developing feelings but they either don’t know yet or aren’t happy about it. This is when all the fun misunderstandings and awkward encounters happen, such as when Chan-sung and Man-wol were each talking about a different person and getting annoyed at each other. I think they still have a long way to go before admitting to themselves, much less each other, that there might be something between them, and it’s all tangled up in their pasts what with all the reincarnation hints. But for now it’s fun just watching Chan-sung openly admit that he cares what happens to Man-wol’s immortal soul when she eventually dies, and seeing her flustered because she hasn’t cared what anyone thinks of her in over a thousand years.

The last time she did care seems to be when she was with Chung-myung and Yeon-woo, before something shattered her life and caused her to be bound to Hotel del Luna. The scene by the lake with Chung-myung seemed so simple, but a lot of clues were laid down there. He said that things will look different to Man-wol now that he’s with her, and I think that’s going to turn out to be important. He also said that she won’t enjoy drinking alone anymore, and looking back, Man-wol’s frequent drinking does seem more an act of defiance rather than something she does because she likes it. It’s as if she’s trying to prove Chung-myung wrong and that she still enjoys being alone, but she’s not doing a very good job.

Since we’re talking about relationships, I just have to say that I’m all aboard the Yoo-na/Hyun-joong ship. How adorable are they together? I liked learning a bit more about Hyun-joong’s background and seeing him grieving his inability to be with his sister, because it gives him some gravitas to go along with Yoo-na’s sad backstory. I’m worried about their future though — Hyun-joong is planning to move on when his sister eventually dies, but Yoo-na is being trained as Hotel del Luna’s next manager, so she’s not going to be leaving this world any time soon. Hyun-joong could always choose to stay with her at the hotel when his sister passes, but making that choice after waiting over seventy years with one goal in mind will be painful for him.

One of my favorite things about Hong sisters dramas is their inside jokes and call-outs to other dramas and actors. A lot of what I know about dramas and jokes in the kdrama industry come from my early consumption of Hong sisters shows, and it’s even more fun now that I get the references directly. The teasing references to The Crowned Clown in this episode just made me so happy, and the joke about the main actor being terrible cracks me up after Yeo Jin-gu got so much attention earlier this year for his portrayals of the king and his lookalike clown. And there’s nothing more attractive than when someone can laugh at themselves, so seeing Yeo Jin-gu throw himself into the “Oh no, I’d be a horrible actor” lines just made me like him that much more. I’m really enjoying the acting choices he’s making for Chan-sung, he seems very comfortable and relaxed in the role. In fact, that goes for most of the cast, and it just adds to my enjoyment of Hotel del Luna to see all of the actors having so much fun.

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Loved that Man-Wol fell in love first.

Chang-Seong thinks of Man-Wol all the time. He still hasn't caught that he is falling too, probably harder.

Ex-girlfriend is a bad apple. I guess her Gojoseon parallel was not different, and probably the one who triggered tragedy.

Guess Mago and sisters are right, with love (medicine) there is some venom laced in it.

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BTW @packmule3 and @growingbeautifully , my take on the two leaves is a little bit different: one of Osho's discourses verses on why the meditation can be so effective, as our whole pasts are like a big, dead mountain weighting us down while meditation gives us the present in its purest form, so a leaf can win to the mountain since it is alive.

So my guess is that Man-Wol is stuck in the past, so she is not dead nor alive, and Chang-Sung appeals to those parts of her still alive and kicking: her memories and her feelings.

She will deny she is falling in love, and probably will fight her feelings all the way, like Kate Bush in "Hounds of Love":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerK4zwMRQw

Now I've recommended that song four times in the series!!! =D .

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I see why you keep recommending this song. Thanks!

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It is my pleasure ;D .

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Interesting idea about the leaf and the mountain. The past is dead weight, if the memories only bring on negative emotions. Being fully alive is definitely superior to being only half alive, or being alive but not life giving.

MW definitely needs to let go of the things in the past that have kept her barren and static and take some points from CS in being more others centred. 😄

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I thought you may like this take ;) . And yes, a very interesting paradox about Ilumination (in a Buddhist sense) is that we both need our past in order to be ourselves (after all, our identity is constructed on our memories) but at the same time we need to be free of it in order to be truly free to grasp the actual moment.

BTW to the rest of the community, the discussion is in Bi***es over Dramas. This is the link to the article "Hotel del Luna: @GB Explains the Two Leaves":

http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2019/07/30/hotel-del-luna-gb-explains-the-two-leaves/#comment-9510

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The show and the actors have finally found their pacing. YJG has settled into the character and it has helped his acting a great deal. It has also helped the chemistry of the leads. I still ship Man Wol with the captain, but I see her with Chang Seong now, so this is fun.

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Hyunjoong Yoona ship is too cute I played the piano scene over so many times. But I think in one of these episodes a granny will come in and call Hyunjoon "oraboni" and he'll have to leave with her T^T

Also I'm starting to think Chansung is Chungmyung since his ex has the same face as the princess from the past.

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did not expect to see Lee Yi-kyung here but so glad he stopped by for an appearance, i knew instantly that he was probably an actor haha.

The piano scene between Yoo-na and Hyun-joong was shot beautifully i can't wait for me scenes between these two!

I'm also loving the growing relationship between Chan-sung and Man-wol, he was so cute trying to get the autograph from Kim Joon-Hyun for her.

Also congratulations to Hotel Del Luna for achieving 8.7% ratings for this episode !!

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The Lee Yi Kyung cameo was a hoot! I see him often in comedic roles where I just can't take him seriously and then I saw him in Red Moon Blue Sun where he knocked my socks of by his intense, serious portrayal of a detective, and now he laughs at himself by saying what he is not ie that he's really bad at being the sageuk king. He's actually very good!

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Knowing that his character in Woohoo Waikiki is a terrible actor makes this cameo all the more ironic. And yes, his performance in Red Moon Blue Sun was wonderful.

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We learned a lot in this episode, and have a lot of questions that still need to be answered.

I am never going to like PO as a person nor respect him due to his lack of integrity, but I will not let that spoil the Yoo-na/Hyun-joo love story.

But my favorite part of this episode was watching Chang-seong taking responsibility for Man-wol's future. He may not have exactly 'fallen in love' with her in the starry-eyed sense- but he does in fact truly love her, and this will make all the difference to Man-wol. Part of the point of having Chang-seong's ex-girlfriend appear is the contrast that we see between her character and Man-wol's. Whatever else you can say about Man-wol the one thing that stands out is her fundamental honesty. She may otherwise be greedy, petulant, etc but she is also honest. The ex-girlfriend is not- and since she is obviously the re-incarnation of the long ago princess it seems clear to me that said princess was not honest either.

But I have to say that I am enjoying the jealousy, bickering and banter as Man-wol and Chang-seon grow together. I hope they get a happy ending where they get to grow old together.

Meanwhile the ghost from room 13 is on a killing spree. This is not good.

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"He may not have exactly 'fallen in love' with her in the starry-eyed sense- but he does in fact truly love her, and this will make all the difference to Man-wol".

One of the greatest gift one of my best friends ever gave me was one conversation where she told me that LOVE IS A DECISION, the decision to put another person's well-being above your own views and your self-interest or feelings.

You can be mad at someone, feel appalled for their decisions or be misunderstood, but if you strive for that person's well being you are still loving that person.

Chang-SUng just does that. He cares about her moods, her emotional well-being and her future (not to be reincarnated in a chicken/pork ending in a soup), and for her to do the right thing, even if she kicks and screams all the way down.

And sometimes telling someone that what they are doing will be be bad for them or backfire in the long term is love.

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I could not have said it better. This is exactly what I meant.

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So maybe I'm the only one laughing at the ghost from room 13? It seems to me like a timely reference as well as poetic justice written by women for women.

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I wonder if they're throwing shade at the big sex tape scandal/chatroom scandal that rocked the industry a few months ago (involving Seungri and Jeun Joong Yong)

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I used to follow Block B for a hot minute but never heard anything bad about P.O, care to elaborate? I like to be up to date with my K-entertainment gossip.

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I'm interested too.

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Very few people make my personal **** list but PO did when he abandoned FLUTTERING WARNING in the middle of its filming in order to take part in ENCOUNTER. While he was not the male lead his character was important to the plot. Until that time FLUTTERING WARNING was doing well. The necessary damage control needed to cover his absence ruined the rest of the show. If you want to know a persons character watch his actions, not his words.

Someone like Choi Si-won would never have dreamed of pulling such a stunt.

I do not doubt PO's ability and talent as either an actor or an Idol. But if a client came to me and asked me if PO should be appointed the guardian of their children or elected to sit on a corporate board of directors I would certainly say absolutely not.

In this world talent alone is not enough, nor hard work. A man has to have integrity. In the long run this is vital.

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Do you perhaps have any information regarding this switch in dramas and why it was made? Interviews, articles, a statement of any kind as to perhaps why he shifted? Do any of those such things exist or did he just magically jump from one drama to another, leaving one drama in a fix, and thus we are left to suppose the worst about him?

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I understand your position. I wouldn't have made it through Encounter without PO and I'm loving him in HdL. Is-won is on my list so...

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Si-won, autocorrect isn't helping me tonight.

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@sicarius it was a real mess. He left in ep 12 because of 'scheduling conflicts' and never clarified what or why. The show had no idea it was coming and had to fix it in a bit of a panic. I didn't think Fluttering Warning was doing all that well in the ratings and it came across as him jumping a sinking ship. Not great.

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I know barely anything about PO, but Si-won is one of the first idol/actors I heard about people not liking because of his words when I first started in k entertainment.

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Thank you for clarifying @cloggie.
That is indeed not that great.
I didn't know about the situation and this was the first I'd heard about it.
Wouldn't put it past KQ Ent to be responsible for the lack of clarity, since they're kind of a joke at this point, but who knows.
Oh well.

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"In this world talent alone is not enough, nor hard work. A man has to have integrity. In the long run this is vital".

Amen to that. I live in a country of "vivos" (literally "alive", but meaning the "astute" folks that would cheat on you at the tip of a hat for very tiny rewards) and finding the trust to make a small transaction with someone outside your circle of friends is not for the faint of heart. Not good for business nor to establish deep connections.

"If you want to know a persons character watch his actions, not his words".

Also true. If you want someone to do a thing for you and that person says "no" to you then you know you can trust him and know there is a limit, but is wayyyy better than letting you down like that.

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Consider the following - the present is a twisted mirror image of the past. In the past we had :
1. The princess, guarded by the
2. Captain of the Guard
3. Manwol, a thief and head of a gang of highwaymen

In the present, we have
1. Mira, the reincarnation of the princess, but as far as we know, without memories of her past, and now a thief
2. Manwol, who is the original with all of her memories, passions, and grudges, though some of it was suppressed, in the princess role guarded by
3. CS viewing Manwol’s memories as dreams - as yet not whole, whether he is a reincarnation and state of past memory, we do not yet know (personally I do not think he is a reincarnation of either the captain or YW)

When the goddess in pink said her knitting had become twisted, I think she was referring to the above situation. It will be interesting to see how all this works out to a well done ending.

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It is heavily implied from episode 5 that the pink-dressed goddess's specialty lies on love and couple relationship, so I guess we should brace ourselves to the starting of the middle of this Drama (the part that is weaker in Hong Sister's Dramas... nah, K-Dramas in general), since all the elements are there.

It worries me that in the next episode previews Man-Wol is menacing the ex-girlfriend to let her stay as a guest (as a dead person). One of the things that makes ghosts to turn to vengeful (and killable) spirits is harming humans, so it could be that Man-Wol would find herself on the run again... from the Grim Reaper.

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Even without Mi-ra Man-wol is in trouble with the Grim Reaper (played by the same actor who was the delightful Secretary Yang in WHAT'S WRONG WITH SECRETARY KIM?). Remember his warning about the guest from room 13? Who has now killed twice.

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Aaah! I was wondering why he looked familiar!

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According to Mago, MW is still a human - her biological clock just stopped. She may be held responsible by the Grim Reaper (whatever that means), but I don’t think MW turns into a vengeful spirit.

Having said that, we are entering the traditionally weak middle third of the drama, so all bets are off?

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But "weak" for this show might still be better than 90% of kdramas.

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So far this show is getting good ratings- so a lot of people agree with you.

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Fingers crossed!!!

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I think it will work out, but I do wonder about MW's original sin and whether she might actually be taking the blame for the Princess in some respects. So many ways these entanglements can go.

Re ghost 13, riffing on the most famous Diana myth is the story of Actaeon, who peeped at Diana in her bath, and Diana, enraged, had him transformed and he was torn to pieces.

So it is interesting to me that the 13 ghost takes revenge by inviting men to pornographically peep at her, as if this gives her an excuse to presumably kill them or send the mad.

The parallel is plain, so leads me once again to Diana's avatar, Man Weol, and how the writers are reflecting her story and persona in the ghosts of Hotel del Luna. They operate separately but also as part of MW.

So while ghost 13 is an external vengeful spirit likely with her own story, she is also Man Weol as vengeful spirit, just as the tiger was Man Weol yearning for a home that no longer exists, and 'standing still' because she can't go back.

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The ghost stories, although independent tales of their own, are at another level aspects of Manwol’s story. That’s been clear from the start. Some more obvious than others...given the amount of time spent on possession by ghosts, I wonder if possession will be part of the resolution?

The points of correspondence with Diana’s myth continues to be amazing. I really enjoy the different perspectives brought by different beanies.

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Maybe possession, yeah. I'm interested in the red string bride. I need to get that myth trope straight. My understanding was that that red string means you are tied together not in the afterlife but as reincarnations - soulmates- in your next life (don't ask me where I picked that up, I've seen the red string motif in both Chinese and Korean dramas), but this drama is kind of turning that logic on its head. I want to get it straight because I think it's an important step to seeing the full arc.

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I thought that in this drama, the string tied the ghost bride to the groom, and one could not go to the afterlife without the other.

The meaning for MW is to learn to let go, like the ghost bride. Which may be the tale’s role in the future of the drama?

A weird twist would be if the captain and the princess had a ghost wedding after MW kills them both...and per your interpretation their current lives are entangled...but I don’t believe that CS is the reincarnation of the captain so...hmmm...

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@hebang
There is no red string between MW and CS, and she at least should be able to see one if he is a reincarnation of her soul mate, so to me it possibly means he is not a reincarnation of anyone, or the red string/soulmate connection was cut in the past between her and the Captain or YW.

Starting to feel I'm just yammering - episode 7 still at 0 subs on Viki - it can't come soon enough lol!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_thread_of_fate

The myth about the red thread basically says that everyone is tied to another person by an invisible red string from birth to death. The string is supposed to be unbreakable and everyone will end up with that the one person they are destined to be with. That destiny is predetermined by karmic interactions of the past lives. Chinese (Buddism) says that the fate of marriage can take up to a thousand encounters in past lives. Chinese, Korean, and Japanese folklore have different deities doing the matchmaking.

This lore is of course is extremely flawed in modern context because people get married multiple times or don't get married at all. I would take the matching simply as the significant other whom the person dies married to.

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To me the most interesting pointer to the future was that a MW has special senses that tell her about a person’s karma...the good and bad they bring to this life from their past lives.

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I am just here to say... "Lord have mercy! Man Wol's fashion!"

I'm a dude and I'm jealous of the fierceness. At this point, a big part of me is waiting every episode for costume changes.

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Can we take a moment to appreciate the Hong sisters' use of the earring to hint at ManWol's growing feelings for Chansung???

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They tend to use metaphores heavily. In Warm & Cozy the female lead kept talking about non-pinched balloons as a metaphor of the level of faith she still kept for the male lead... and how much he kept pinching her balloons (as in dissapoint her).

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This particular earring got a close up. Any idea why?

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My first guess is that even if she said she didn't want him to find it for her and made a big fuss about it, he still did, so he truly got what she really wanted.

She felt he was connected to her, that he knew her on a deeper level, and that particular hearring is the physical proof of that.

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The Hong sisters are big on symbol-infused jewelry. In that particular conversation CS asked her if finding her earring (which he had kicked under the table in the first place) was worth another leaf.

Since she is a tree, each leaf is a piece of her heart in a way. The first leaf he got was how much she cared for him when she decided to save him in room 13. Now he's trying to win more points.
When she found the had recovered the earring for her, she smiled and that earned him an extra point. She is wearing the earrings 'to eat octopus' because she wants to tell him about it. She also wears them for their beach date. Basically the earrings now mean her feelings for him.

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Warm and Cozy is a very good drama- and another example of the Hong Sister's dapting/twisting/changing a famous story (in that case THE GREAT GATSBY).

The proper use of metaphor can make a significant scene truly memorable. I can still visualize many scenes from WARM AND COZY even though it has been two years since I watched it.

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Dear @oldawyer , personally I hated Warm & COzy, probably because I didn't read The Great Gatsby. My point is, which where the strong points of that Drama?, why did you like it?. Personally I ended up my viewing in mid episode 13, when the male lead kissed in the lips the female lead in front of the Jeju mayor (who was an excellent character, and I liked him even better than the old couple of the older brother and the scuba lady).

Personally we were forced to read "Cien Años de Soledad" (A Hundred Years of Solitude) by Gabriel García Márquez in high school. I personally hated it, until a friend of mine told me that basically all that magical realism of Gabriel García Márquez was how the people in the villages told their stories, and how it reflected their indiosincracy (like, it is good if I do it, but it is bad if it is done to me). Even if I still don't like this book, I can see some of its appealing now.

Could you do that for me? (as helping me seeing its strong points).

Thanks in advance!

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Ha! I love Garcia Marquez (read pretty much everything he ever wrote) - probably because no one forced him down my throat (and I'm a weirdo) ;-)

but I strongly dislike Gatsby (and basically all Scott Fitzgerald stuff -- the way he writes women makes me want to break things).

I fail to see a link between The great Gatsby and Warm&cosy (though admittedly I only watched the first 5-6eps)...

more explanation would definitely help..

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No one should be forced to read ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF SOLITUDE. But I have read it and found it interesting. The author showed me a completely different way of viewing the world- I was seeing life the way someone who had grown up in a different culture sees it, a real tribute not only to Garcia Marquez but also the translator, since I was reading it in English.

I think that it helped that when I watched WARM AND COZY by way of the late and much lamented Dramafever it had a different title: JEJU ISLAND GATSBY. So I had a big clue going in that there were elements of F. Scott Fitzgerald's novel in the show. Yet even though the writers borrowed from it in the end they told a much different story with much different characters. It is those characters which made the real difference for me. The rich people did not behave in the low tawdry manner of Fitzgerald's rich people- in fact, if you had watched the show to the end, you would have seen that the Mayor is going to have a happy ending after all as he is finally, reluctantly, accepting the love of a rich lady who sees (correctly) that he is what she has always needed in her life. Where Fitzgerald's rich are a world to themselves these rich people connect with the others: The diver lady marrying the older brother is another example. Our main couple are also about crossing the class divide. Fitzgerald's novel is a story of despair. WARM AND COZY is a story of hope and new beginnings.

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ok... but a rich guy dating a poor woman does not a Gatsby make... where is Jay Gatsby in all this? of any of the main themes of the novel for that matter... (yes I know the Hong sisters don't do proper research and they channel the popular idea of the work rather than its content, but this is particularly thin...)

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I am actually replying to Charlie with this reply. Charlie has asked the question "Where is Jay Gatsby in WARM AND COZY?". The answer: he is not the central character and almost is not there. In GATSBY the lady that Daisy's rich husband has been having an affair with is accidentally run down and killed by Daisy. Gatsby takes the fall for it. In WARM AND COZY the beautiful lady diver's husband was run down and killed by our male lead's mother- and the man who loved her at that time took the fall for it then. He re-appears in the story, but remains a minor character. As I said, the Hong sisters borrowed some elements from GATSBY but are really telling a much different story.

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Dear @oldawyer and all the people in this thread, thanks a lot for your insights. Personally I haven't read the American Classics (and with all due respect, I haven't the inclination right now). Even "Canaima", "Doña Bárbara", by Rómulo Gallegos, Miguel Otero Silva's books and a big chunk of Don Arturo Uslar Pietri's books doesn't pique my interests (even if they talk about or Venezuelan psiche, and even if some of their books were written in the first half of the 20th century but they could have been written yesterday). It is a matter of personal taste.

Anyways @oldawyer , thanks for explaining this. I wouldn't probably see it anytime soon, but the thought that someone had good reasons to like it gives me some newfound respect for it.

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This is interesting, Old Lawyer. I have never seen Warm and Cozy (or Big for that matter) because I never heard anyone say a good word about it! Maybe I should try it after all if scenes from it still stick in your memory. I have the same thing about Cheese in the Trap and Scarlet Heart - loads of faults but brilliance as well and I still see scenes from them in my memory. I don't regret watching them so maybe the same could be said about Warm and Cozy?

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Dear @barbrey , @oldawyer gave the reply about our enquiry above in this thread.

Have a nice day!

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warm and cozy feels like that, warm and cozy. it was not even the romance that got my heart fluttering, it was just that the characters were good people. I had very low expectations because of the bad reviews, but it was signature hong sisters writing so I enjoyed it a lot. I think if you just want to watch a good banter, good female lead, you dont care much about plot resolutions and is willing to fast forward through annoying second female lead scenes, warm and cozy would be a good watch. also, usually, I dont like second male leads (e.g., I hate mr captain here in hotel del luna), but I fell for the unconventional second male lead in warm and cozy.

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the hong sisters are great with metaphors, I think they reached their peak in The Greatest Love (every item there was turned into a symbol for love, etc), but here in hotel del luna, they are getting really good with mirroring past and ghost stories with man weol/chan seung

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"The Greatest Love"... that was a GREAT drama, the male lead was crazy as hell and went for it with gusto. I may revisit it later, I left watching because seeing the female lead go trough so much abuse made made my blood boil. I loved her also, she was such a noble and misunderstood character.

The ghost stories being integral part of the Drama was one of the highlights of "Master's Sun". They were mostly lessons in humanity for the male lead, who at first didn't see past his money, his comercial center and his trauma.

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Both the past men are so different I cannot imagine Chan Sung to be either of them, he seems more like himself idk *shrugs*

All the meta in this show hahahaha

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It's interesting that Man wol hasn't seen Mi ra yet. I'm wondering if she'll recognize her as the reincarnation & how her reaction will be. Because it seems a lot of bloody things happened in the past

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I would think that she would have to recognize her because she looks exactly the same- other than the clothing. I remember this same actress playing a completely different kind of character in GANGNAM BEAUTY- and even then I thought that she had a sort of regal beauty about her. I makes sense to cast er as a princess.

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She's also in The Package as a character that keeps you guessing for most of the drama.

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I really enjoyed THE PACKAGE- It was the first time that I thought that I might want to visit France. I remember her character in that show.

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Yep I remember her from Gangnam beauty as well. She has a stunning aura about her

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Something about her aura really says she can’t be bad. And so even though she is said to owe Chan Sung and Sanchez lots of money, she doesn’t look like a cheap “flower snake” kind of character. I’m waiting to see what’s her real story.

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Dear @geliguolu , my take on her character so far is that she is happily irresponsible and totally detached of the consequences of her actions.

A woman like that in real life would probably very charismatic and funny, but a heartbreak as a girlfriend for shure, unreliable as a friend and totally bad news in general.

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@fgb4877 Very much like Small Sun in Master’s Sun. By “can’t be bad”, I mean she’s not malicious at heart.

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@geliguolu , Small Sun was not a bad person, she just had many scars from her school days. And she always compared herself with Big Sun, even if Big Sun never had anything but love and compassion for her old self.

So when she saw Big Sun fell in big way, she at first gloated and were bad to her. Later she just forgot the whole thing and began going for her own goals (her career and the security guard).

She was not evil, just couldn't get Big Sun's human situation at first.

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I wrote a vague guesswork scenario on what would happen when MW sees Mi Ra. LOL. It was not going to be pretty, but this show has some lighter vibes in the present time so maybe we'll get a twist and less bloodshed?

Posting here what I posted elsewhere: "I was imagining a scenario where MW is aghast to see Mi Rae whom she believes will lead to CS’s death (as I imagine the Princess did to the men in MW’s past life) and starts to engineer something to remove her. The ghosts (probably her staff) will be roped in to help.

CS finds out and in an effort to stop MW from committing the sins that get her reincarnated as a pig or chicken (LOL) puts himself at risk to save both the females. I’m sure it will be all twisty and Ma Go will probably have to come in to guide them into untangling themselves… which reminds me of Pink Ma Go and her tangled knitting.

Regardless of how the reincarnation thing works out, I anticipate it’s going to be fun. 😆"

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I can't think of less bloodshed in the past since she was carrying all those bloodied stuffs of dead people at the beginning of the show. It feels like everybody except her died....

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Yeah I think so too. And she herself is the Hotel and the tree it is made from, housing her dead.
She's entombed alive really, and unable to fully love anyone, even her manager, because of the cost of his very short life span versus her very long one.

I want to know how they all died - that looked like her bandit group - and there were soldiers as well. I don't think she can be the only one to blame.

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I agree that MW's past tragedy was a bloodbath. All those dead she was bringing with her to the first Guest House of the Moon were either killed by her or for her or because of her.

I feel though, that present MW, especially since she and her ghosts cannot directly harm humans, will avoid blood spillage but go the ghostly route to get at their enemies.

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Yes, 'entombed' is the word. She was a living ghost and still holding on to the grudges, resentments etc the way she held on to those articles belonging to the dead in the coffin. Frozen's 'Let it Go' should be played for her some time in the near future! :-)

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Growing Beautifully: yes i hope there is no bloodshed in current timeline. I thought you were referring to the past events that's why i said it had to be bloodied with all the dead people & all...

@barbrey i too want to know about the deaths

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Loved man weol's selflessness to let chung sung spend some time with his gf by cancelling her trip which she was so excited about. (she doesn't know that chung sung is really tired of that ex gf). Chung sung also put his pride aside to run after a celebrity and take an autograph for man weol and is worried about her future life as well. They are cute. 💕

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"Loved man weol's selflessness to let chung sung spend some time with his gf by cancelling her trip which she was so excited about".

I did read it as a desiderata on her part, she was getting illusioned herself with Chang-Sung and then she realized that probably he was not her man but someone elses, getting deflated. That is why she felt so happy at the end of the episode when she discovered that even in the encounter between Chang-Sung and her ex he still kept thinking of her by getting the autograph.

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And she was also worried by the fact (reminded to her by the receptionist guy) that Mr. Noh spent his all life for the hotel without creating a family of his own. She did not want that happen to chung sung.

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That is the paradox she finds herself into: she is falling in love hard and fast for him, but he is still a mortal human and she is inmortal. She wants him but knows that her loving him would only encompass heartache for both of them. Chang-Sung may end up living an incomplete life like late Manager Noh did if he falls for an inmortal that at the end of the day will not be able to accompany him in his life. For Man-Wol all that will eventually remain of him will be the sadness of his loss (like how she never drank happy again because she lost the Captain Guard).

I don't remember the myth, but there was one about a Greek goddess that fell in love with a human and wanted him to become inmortal like her, just for the other gods to cruelly grant her wish: he became inmortal, but his youth eventually faded away leaving behind a sick old man with no memory and unable to see the end of his own misery. She suffered greatly for all of this.

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She forgot to ask for eternal youth smh

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I wish we could create an instant poll or betting pool here. This time the topic would be:
How will Manwol react on meeting CS’es ex-who is the reincarnation of the princess from her past?

I suspect that the scene where Manwol talks about the baby’s past life earning great good fortune for this life will feed the future scene of MW meeting the reincarnated princess.

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Her reaction to her in the next episode preview seems more like an extreme jealousy reaction rather than seeing face to face an old foe.

As far as I know, there is no link between being reincarnated with a particular face and being recognized because of that, like in "Goblin"'s Lore.

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You can make a poll on twitter and share the tweet on your fan wall and then we can vote! Hehe

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LOL @hebang You know what I'll say already since I said it on the Bitches blog.

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The show is an absolute hoot.

Gorgeous OSTs, beautifully shot (and how good does IU look in her million outfits?) brilliant winty and prickly banter between the main couple, and a deep and mysterious past that drives the narrative forward.

This could well end up being the best drama of the year 🙆‍♂️

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I hope so too. We are entering the middle part, and it is not unheard of in Korean Dramas to make a fantastic worldbuilding with compelling characters and a riveting story only to squander all of it in the middle part, or worst of all, at the very end of the Drama.

I don't want to rain on your parade, it is only that we can't say this is a fantastic Drama until the last episode ends.

I have just tempered my expectations.

But like you, I am crossing my fingers for this to be an excellent one. "Master's Sun" was.

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I really hope you're wrong this time. But I've had experiences of only recalling past dramas I've watched by their earlier episodes and barely remembering how they ended, like The Crowned Clown and Angel's Last Mission, cuz they really weren't worth remembering for me.

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I hope I am wrong too. In 2016 there was a Jang Nara Drama called "One More Happy Ending" which was smart, and goddamn funny, sadly it got riled in the middle so a lot of its potential was lost. I loved that it talked about dating , falling in love or getting the flame back in very realistic ways, but alas... didn't live up to its potential.

Also, an excellent K-Drama (if you take the Joseon era parts and the episode prior to that) is "Orange Marmalade", since it verses about discrimination, exclusion and how it impoverishes both the excluded and the society he/she belongs to, Also how to cope with it (the "find another door" approach). It is sad to say it, but is a better tv show with something like half of it removed.

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I really liked orange marmalade. My friends did too. I didn't even mind the Josen parts to be honest. I have read the webtoon as well and kind of in the minority who loves the tv series than the web toon. 😅

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I'm trying not to anticipate negatively with this one after already doing that comparing it to Hwayugi and thinking it would be like that when I first started watching. It has demolished that dread so I'm going to try to look positively forward. Onward! Lol.

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This is actually the first episode where I can actually see IU and Yeo jin-gu's chemistry and NOT in a forced way. I also loved the build-up towards the last part of this episode which shows that Man-wol is indeed interested in Chan-sung. Hehe

And as much as I love Captain and Yeon-woo, I am hoping that Chan-sung is NOT either of them and will be someone entirely different from them.

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I remember Jun-ki's audition as a Clown in Joseon in Waikiki S1 (It was on a theater with the guy that was supposed to get the role he got iirc)! HAHA. He is really a wonderful actor. He deserves more projects.

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He has been getting them. For instance he was the male lead playing a detective in CHILDREN OF NOBODY. He has the ability to play serious roles too- but with such comic acting ability I hope that he will land a lot more comedy roles.

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"And as much as I love Captain and Yeon-woo, I am hoping that Chan-sung is NOT either of them and will be someone entirely different from them".

Kudos to that. She doesn't need to stay stuck in the past, but rather to look forward.

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He can be someone from Man-wol's past but not be those two, please. I want to like Chan-sung for who he is and not because he was someone else.

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If Chan-sung is the reincarnation of one of the men Man-wol loved a thousand years ago — and I believe that she knows who he is — it’s clear that it doesn’t make her happy to see him again.

I still think Man Wol was being honest that she doesn’t feel that Chan Sung is that someone. If anything came out of the King ghost story, it is that Man Wol doesn’t always feel the ghost’s true identity. He can be a reincarnation without her feeling it.

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That being said...

If Chan Sung’s ex-gf is the princess’ reincarnation, then I continue believing Chan Sung is not the guard. To be lovers in more than one lifetime means there is immense fate between them and they should end up together already — clearly not the case. So Chan Sung is either Yeon Woo or simply never existed in their (MW & princess) past.

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Btw, Jingoo was BOTH parodied fictional kings in this episode. Beside Lee Heon (changed to Hyeon here) he also played young Lee Hwon in The Moon That Embraces the Sun.

Then the dialogue about him having no talent in acting was hilarious. (Some subs just say he’s not a good actor or bad at acting seems to take away the joke that he is a natural born talent in the eyes of Koreans.)

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Ghost 13 case is probably a reference to, "Molka", a spycam epidemic in South Korea that has been going on for years now. All the more respect to Hong Sisters for touching on that issue.

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I can't even be sad the fictional victims of her killing spree are molka-watching creeps. Since its fiction, I want to cheer her on.

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I think I might've congratulated her once. She's going all out for revenge and retribution.

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I was like, "Ha, serves you right, you creeps," and "oh dear, that's brutal" at the same time.

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She is one clever ghost, after being imprisoned in that room for who knows how long she targeted just the right demographic, internet creeps.

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This was my immediate connection too. It brings sympathy to the story of Ghost 13; I am hesitant to learn her story if her rage is to this level.

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I’m building a strong heart to take in her story. Expecting something disturbing like the Miryang gang rape case. I mean, to hate the breathing of any living person is some unimaginable hatred towards mankind.

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Exactly the thought I had on hearing the description of the ghost. What in the world happened that she would hate even the sound of a living person’s breath?

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And it's interesting that it is not directed to men specifically, but ANY human being.

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My interpretation is not Man-wol is sad to see him again, but she is sad she is falling for Chan-sung. She can no longer make excuses for herself of eating webfoot octopus or saving her manager from dying because the ocean looking more beautiful is her heart giving her away. Either Man-wol does not want to fall in love again or she wants to love only Chung-myung. Guess Mi-ra being the princess confirms Chan-sung is Chung-myung.

I still cannot pinpoint what made Man-wol like Chan-sung. When she became jealous of his girlfriend, I was confused, "Why does she like him again?" Because he is the only person to stand up to her? Because he is a reincarnation? It bothers me Chan-sung calls her "Jang Man-wol-ssi," not "Sajangnim."

I dropped Boyfriend before Park Bo-gum's younger brother appeared, but Pyo Ji-hoon's acting is very cringey. Hyun-joong and Yoo-na's relationship feels so forced. Wasn't Jung Soo-jung, the dead girl, nice? But now she acts like her bully.

A big thanks for the recap, @LollyPip!

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My guess is she started seeing him differently (more than a mere manager) from that scene under the tree when Chan Sung said that he knew that she'll protect him.

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I agree that MW is sad about falling in love again -- because the first time she did everything went to pieces and all her loved ones ended up dead (?). But I am confident that she does NOT love CM now.
[* by the way did anyone here notice the similarity of their names: CS (구찬성, 'agreement') and CM (고청명, 'the clear and balmy season') same last name...]

Why she fell for CS: her walls are up so high that no one made it pass them in the last thousand years; it got pretty lonely in that champagne filled ivory tower... and here comes CS - someone who sees straight past her defenses, who knows stuff about her no one else could (via the dreams), who is obviously interested in her, who challenges her, and cares for her. He is the first person in 1k years that really gets (to) her...

CS calling her by name rather than title: when he agreed to take the manager job he admitted that he was doing it because he wanted to know her; to him she was never just his boss but a woman he is interested in and now responsible for. I actually loved the few seconds after the hug when he talked to her in banmal (proof that he was going slightly crazy). that was very cute.

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There last names are not the same and doesn’t sound very similar to native listeners.

Goo/Gu Chan Sung spoken out loud is “(Jin)-Gu Agrees”

Although Cheong Myeong can mean “crisp clear weather” and that would definitely match “full moon” very well, but because his surname Go means “high”, I would believe he’s meant to be mean “high integrity” (uncorrupt), and that would put him destined to fight our bandit heroine.

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i'm an idiot sometimes... in my head both their names were 구 but then i wrote it out correctly. jetlag induced hallucinations

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It bothers me Chan-sung calls her "Jang Man-wol-ssi," not "Sajangnim."

Calling her by title is something that will place them on different levels. Calling her by full name is a polite enough but places them on the same level. It’s Chan Sung’s resistance to being owned by her. Only in some cases when he gives up arguing will say “yea sajangnim”. I actually find his persistence to keep his integrity in this enslavement very cute.

If you listen to Chan Sung bickering with Man Wol, he started saying 당신 (you) and not her title or full name. Which indicates a certain level of closeness has formed.

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For Man-Wol, love is laced with sadness and longing. That is showed in the lone drinking scene in Gojoseon times.

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You know, despite not making much progress on the plot (compared to Ep 4-5), this episode is honestly the best one so far. I got the feels, giggles, and even feeling a bit emotional at the end. Lee Yi Kyung and Kim Jun Hyun's scenes were just nicely done. All the references AHHH. This is a classic Hong Sisters writing at their best. The chemistry between the leads doesn't feel forced. I find myself replaying their bickering clips on youtube. The hotel staffs are fun (Hyun Joong's gi-bu-mi-cho-co-re-tto part made me LOL). No wonder the rating is at an all time high.

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Thanks @lollypip! There's so much to love in this episode (again!). The meta and the humour were wonderful. The joke about Chan Sung meeting Man Wol again as pork in hangover soup really took the cake!

Then there were the poignant moments of caring between Yoona and Hyun Joong and the latter's memories of his little sister whom he's waiting to accompany to the Afterlife.

I also like that side stories contribute to the main and that some are continued. On the one hand, each story adds to our understanding of the path before MW and probably CS. And on the other, I like that the Rm 13 Ghost side story was not left hanging or swept away, but that it has implications for the hotel and the staff, and will likely get a proper ending.

Best of all I love the mostly honest repartee and the growing closeness of MW and CS. CS has already made great strides in changing Man Wol from the bitter, totally self-serving and un-life-giving creature she was, to one who is prepared to put CS's interests before her own. What a nice sign of this that blooming flower was.

I have not really thought in detail about MW's powers, but do you think we can add teleportation to the list?

She seems to be able to turn up where CS is, and she took just a moment to get from her garage to Sanchez's home.

She's also able to appear in elaborate costume at a drop of a hat LOL... appearing as she did as a queen.

I'm still loving most of her looks and style, except the bottom half of that dress she wore to the filming set. It made the elegant top half a joke with that raunchy up-ruffled skirt. I thought it a strange mistake on the stylist's part. 🤪

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It is exactly her powers to fight off ghosts, teleport at will, and change her looks in no time that I’m continually seeing Sun Wukong as Man Wol’s framework.

In the last episode I drew the possible connection: I see a lot of Man Wol’s story coming from classic East Asian fairytales. Her millennial punishment metaphorically confined in a tree, waiting for a sincere soul whisper to free and change her attitude is like a romanticized version of Monkey King who was punished by heaven to stay under a mountain for 500 years waiting for Tang Sanzang to free him and reform him. With this analogy you can even see the parallel personalities. Like how impulsive and arrogant Man Wol acts towards everyone and how she uses her special powers to succumb ghosts like Monkey handling monk-hungry goblins. Our purist intellect Chan Sung is always trusting, forgiving, sometimes annoyingly preachy and wussy is the face of ghost, just like Samjang, like by the books.

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Thanks @geliguolu, great to know how the types in characters are analogous to other Asian lore as well. I've been very remiss in reading up about the lore of different Asian sources, but I'm getting to learn just by reading comments!!

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I noticed her resemblance to Monkey in episode 1. Was it you who agreed she and Monkey would make a great couple? Or great rivals? I was still underwhelmed by the chemistry between our leads at the time.

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I think we need a scene with Manwol and the Monkey King sitting at a bar shooting the breeze, sniping at each other.

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Novel version of Monkey will start kicking her ass because no goblin car resist his Shifu’s tasty flesh.

HS version really can do what you said, or Monkey and MW each hog a ship of a couch to watch k variety.🤣

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OMG I would so ship that couple. I always liked the Hong Sisters' version of Monkey King. Come to think of it, they would be perfect for each other -- zapping demons (or sending them to afterlife) then drinking back in his cave.

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A LSG cameo as SOG will be too good for words. Please drama gods, make this happen. Though, I am still underwhelmed by MW-CS chemistry I am heavily invested with the story

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I've also been calling this Hwayugi 2.0 from like the first ten minutes but oh well...

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Which is why I think a snark filled commiseration between SOG and JMW would be fun. I wish I had the talent to write that scene...

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I wish I did too.

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I just hope they don't do another trainwreck of an ending in episode 19. (I still haven't forgiven the Hong sisters for that.) At

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Not just local teleportation... to get to that space ship had to teleport at least hundreds of thousands of miles if not millions, to an object moving at better than 7 miles a second, and match speed. Magical powers, indeed!

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😂 I forgot that spaceship

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@hebang @geliguolu
Add to the powers, telekinesis since she could from a distance get Sanchez to fall off his bike, and superhuman ability to hold down vengeful ghosts while sticking pins into them. Also some power over life or death since she could let CS's father live or die.

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Also, the power to be invisible - like when she shot the mayor. And suppress the sound and flash of the rifle. Maybe these bits can best be explained as existing on a different plane?

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Actually, talking about useful magical powers...”able to appear in elaborate costumes at the drop of a hat...”. With that power, why would high fashion cost MW anything? Or isn’t today’s high fashion not elaborate enough? ... in any other kdrama, this would mean that MW has a secret slush fund!

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