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Team Dramabeans: What we’re watching

So, what are we all watching this week?

What kept you reaching for more (or agonizing when there was no more), and what made you want to throw your remote through the screen? Time to weigh in…

 

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The Great Show: This was a fun yet uneven first week. The show felt like a bunch of vignettes that were from other dramas rather than a whole new show. I’ll keep watching but the drama hasn’t found its footing just yet, though there was a good amount of humor and charm. One thing that stuck out to me as strange was seeing Lee Sun-bin cast as someone who went to college with Song Seung-heon (she’s in her twenties while he’s in his forties). I also found her acting a bit awkward. I’m not familiar with her work so maybe she’ll become more natural as the drama progresses. Speaking of new faces, I enjoyed Noh Jung-eui and her ability to be sly and scheming one minute to vulnerable and hurting the next. I know in my head that the family charade she, her siblings, and Song Seung-heon are about to embark on is just to kickstart Song’s political comeback but in my heart I can see them truly bonding as one big, weird family.

 

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Currently recapping: Rookie Historian Gu Hae-ryung

Be Melodramatic: Hmm… how to describe what I feel about this show? It’s like, it’s so thoughtfully made, every scene pokes at your heart and mind. Whether it’s someone faking bravado for a presentation, weaponizing cringe-y aegyo, or just walking home with friends, you can’t help but relate to them. Including those understated moments when the characters do nothing but “laze around,” because those pauses are important in life too. It’s like the show is telling me that it’s okay to stop for a while. It doesn’t have to be life-changing pauses like quitting a job or ending a relationship, but just… sitting around all day because you finished a difficult presentation and don’t want to rush to the next thing on your Worry List yet. Be Melodramatic is also sprinkled with moments where a character says something that hits you hard because it sounds so simple in hindsight, but captures sooo much in so few words things that you’ve felt or been worrying about for so long. I especially love the latest episode where Jin-joo is trying to write a confession scene, pestering everyone to share how their relationships started, but every answer feels lacking to her. Then Bum-soo, after spending an awkward day with the moody writer and falling in love all at once, ends the episode perfectly by asking if love always needs to be said out loud.

Designated Survivor: 60 Days: Gosh that finale and reveal… (look away now if you don’t want spoilers!) That confrontation between Han and Mu-jin makes me so emotional because to be honest, I believe what Han said about most people being greedy, impatient, and selfish cowards. I’ve seen it for myself. I’m closer to the scarred and jaded Chief Han than the idealistic Mu-jin. But unlike Han, I’m not going to resort to burning the whole world down just because it’s difficult to fix it. Because all these stories that we discuss with each other, whether it’s from personal, books, movies, dramas, or actual news… it reminds me that people have a reason. People have a reason for being greedy for more comfort, impatient for improvement, and scared to put their lives on the line. I might get hurt and frustrated by so much indifference and injustice, but for all I know, I’m doing the same thing to someone else. It’s a bitter pill to swallow–that we’re all flawed people who don’t have the right answers–but when you refuse to accept that and think in absolutes, you’ll end up like Han, Oh Young-seok, and the rest of Tailor Kim’s clients who disregard everyone’s humanity just to push for what they think is right. I remember worrying whether Designated Survivor’s finale will be too idealistic or depressingly real, but I was surprised when it did neither. It ended with something more powerful. It ended with hope. Maybe, just like his young staff, that’ll be enough to push us to be a bit braver and trust in a better future again. :’)

Love Alarm: I’m watching at a glacial pace, but I love this show. It’s surprisingly insightful. Yes, it’s set in high school with puppy love and angst and jealousy galore. (Which isn’t a bad thing. I like how Jojo and Sun-oh’s tangled relationship captures all those whirlwind feelings of falling in love and finding a piece of comfort in someone else.) But I’m drawn more to how Love Alarm accurately depicts how a misguided piece of technology can wreak havoc in people’s lives. One of the episodes had a running theme of wanting to stop liking someone because it hurts when it’s not reciprocated, which is often. Unfortunately, there’s no easy way to turn your feelings off. In the real world, you can keep those feelings to yourself, but with the Joalarm app, everything is exposed. You might ask, “Why not just close your Joalarm then?” The show answered “Maybe I want my feelings to be known.” But I think there’s another reason. It’s because keeping Joalarm on also gives you the chance to know if someone likes you. That’s why people are risking their hearts on the app. For the slim chance of knowing that the person you like likes you back. As Jojo said, it’s like a miracle when you find that someone. But what about the dozens/hundreds of others who don’t? For them, Joalarm is turning into a hellish tool they cling to that hurts them more than it helps. But they still keep it on, hoping for their miracle to arrive. It’s fascinating how much this short series about high school romance via phone app takes time to explore human nature more than the actual apps being developed today. Silicon Valley, take note!

 
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Hotel of the Moon / IU Fashion Show: A+/A: Hong sisters should spend the next 1,300 years writing ghost stories :) While we walk that bridge to erase memories of certain other shows.

The Great Show: B+/B-: So much fun to make fun of.... They lost some points in a useless attempt to create conflict/suspense in day 2. There were loan sharks. And some people loudly complain that some other shows are predictable :) Meanwhile, watching the guy adapt to having 4 new kids -- it's *so* much easier to take in stray cats :) They are more obedient too, if you hiss at them.

Doctor John: B-/C:

Joseon Survival: ?B/B? for eps 11/16: Gave up waiting for subs and started the post-cast-change eps raw. When I don't know what they are talking about I judge by antics and facial expressions, and Park Se-Wan becomes the lead :) 2nd lead is the head eunuch. At least I think that's what he is but I'm too lazy to go back to the old subbed episodes to check. PS: if you don't know Korean, don't bother with this show.

Welcome 2 Life: C+/C-: Little kid is still the best part, especially the power walk late in day 7, but you can't expect a 5-year-old to carry a grown-up crime show. Baddies are both over-done and generic.

Rookie Historian Goo Hae-ryung: B+/B:

When the Devil Calls Your Name: A--/B+: Music 👍; predictable 👎; funny 👍.

Doctor Detective: B-/B: Standard/mediocre chaebol villians tied to real-world cases. The humidifier thing has been covered enough in regular news and other kdramas. It's quite predictable; relevance 💯; entertainment 💤; originality 👎. I guess it's hard to be original if you are basing your show on real cases.

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The Great Show: All scenes with Dae Han and the kids were the best. I can't wait for more of them.

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Me too.

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I really tried with Doctor Detective because I loved the first episode, but in the episodes I saw, it ignored all the good things it had set up and decided to be a boring tale of classic corruption instead. Why, show? Why?

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Lol regarding HDL. I’m losing memory about how bad they were.

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We should use it for Absolute Boyfriend for sure.

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I’ve already forgot most of AB. This show is telling me to let go of the past and enjoy the present.

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LOL.

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I love Yeo Jin-goo to pieces but AB and REUNITED something were on my skip it list.

I'd watch a rom.com with him and Yoo-jung or So-hyun. MOON/SUN is still his best chemistry with his love interest imo.

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@kiara 2 of his worst dramas. I forgive him now because he’s so smooth at delivering cheesy romantic dialogues now, in HDL. I consider those “homework” dramas for him.

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So, I do like HOTEL and IU, and Yoo Jin Goo, but somehow am only on episode 5 and really not interested in going any faster. I’ve only been able to watch shows while running on the treadmill/working out lately and switching back and forth between this one and ROOKIE. I think I enjoy ROOKIE more, although the acting is more green and over the top. It just makes me smile a and HOTEL doesn’t. I’m kind of surprised you gave HOTEL such a high rating though, so it must get better—it just may be New Year’s before I get there.

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BY definition a show to watch while on the treadmill should be a lighter one- and the kind that brings a smile. So your preference makes sense. There is simply too much detail in in HOTEL DEL LUNA it to be suitable for that environment. I would wait to watch it until you have the time to just sit and watch. I have not seen ROOKIE (too little time) but I understand that it is a good show, so enjoy it.

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... it's uh widely debated if it gets better or not... 😅

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Oh, yeah, I almost forgot...Happy belated birthday!

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Thank you! It's still my birthday somewhere it counts.

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Josen Survival: I finished. It's too bad they didn't continue subbing maybe due to ML fiasco. It wasn't particularly good, but still cute, funny and heart-warming. I loved every Park Se-won scene. Gisaeng's idol dance performance was hilarious.

and HDL: lame ending BUT hot new owner!

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I am disappointed with OnDemandKorea for dropping English subbing for JOSEON SURVIVAL.

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- Completed -

Love Affairs in The Afternoon: Hmmm... Errr... I don't know. I'm frustrated because of what the show could've shown during the time skip in the last episode. The real character's growth for almost everyone happened off camera. Before that, there was unneeded drama and sacrifice combined with awful handling of the affairs. From what I got with the writer's message: cheating is bad and you don't deserve to be happy unless you're all alone without the one you cheated with and your ex spouse, no matter how awful she/he was, will lead a happy life after treating badly. Besides that, the directing and the cast were great. I want to see more of Jo Dong Hyuk (the artist).

- Currently watching -

A Moment at Eighteen: Soo Bin and Joon Woo were really cute this week but the Romeo and Juliet's kind of love, more on Soo Bin's side actually, keeps me from enjoying the love line. I don't want SB's mom to keep them away from each other for too long because her reasons aren't enough and it damages her friendship with JW's mom. Meanwhile, I like seeing Hwi Young's facade breaking and I'm hoping he'll find confort in Teacher Oh. Teacher Oh is growing more confident as a homeroom teacher. As expected from Nuclear Handsome Oh Han Gyul! Chan Yeol who just developed a crush on him handled it well by herself. I'm proud of this girl. An other one I'm surprisingly proud of is Ro Mi. She just went for it to make things clear between Da Hwin and Oh Je. I hope these two will become good friends again.

And, Live: Episode 4 isn't subbed yet.

Class of Lies: I never thought we'd see Beom Jin do that to Tae Ra but it's confirmed he has lost once again after Soo Ah's murder. I want the reveal for the finale to be juicy.

Dakara Watashi wa Oshimashita: It's a drama about an office lady becoming a fan of a female idol who unexpectedly inspires her. She discovers fan culture and deals with her new hobby. I like that we get to see a woman fangirling over a female idol for once. There's an event involving both of them that's shown on episode one but I won't say it. So, we see how her fangirl life impacts her work (she's more effective yeah!) her friendships and her social status. There's a group of other fans leading her in her new hobby as she finds out what being an idol involves. I have an idea about the mystery and I hope it's true.

The Great Show: I enjoyed the premiere! Wi Dae Han's antics as a politician and designated driver cracked me up. His "children", especially the youngest are adorable. I hope he'll create a good father-son relationship with the teenage boy who keeps throwing piercing comments. My only complaint so far is that I have a hard time to believe Lee Sun Bin and Son Seung Hun's characters went to college at the same time. We can see she's much younger than him.

Go Princess Go: ep 22. Our time-traveling turned-to-woman playboy is more and...

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Go Princess Go: ep 22. Our time-traveling turned-to-woman playboy is more and more accepting his new body mostly after being pregnant. There's less craziness and by that, it went to total nonsense and wackiness to a moderate nonsense and wackiness.

Melo Suits Me: ep 7. In this episode focused on confessions I expected the rookie to confess to Han Joo but we had once a look at his relationship with his girlfriend. His confession was funny haha. Jin Joo and Beom Soo are a delight and their date preceding JJ's drama clichés confessions was great. I never expected So Min to confess that early but it's in line with her personality. She even saw Eun Jung "talking" to her boyfriend and I hope she will mention it to her soon.

Mr Fighting: ep 18. I liked to see the lovely actor filming a movie even when things didn't go smoothly because he finally achieved something. However, the possibility of the movie not being released frustrates me. There's relativity in saying it built his experience but I can't help but think he deserved to have something more in return.

Natsuzora (Summer Sky): Week 9. Natsu finally got her dream job! After seeing how much her brother tried (and failed) to help her get in, I'm happy to see her in a new environment.

Rookie Historian Gu Hae-ryung: This show keeps me engaged and entertained every week. What's this sorcery? I can't think properly after Hae Ryung's identity reveal. How does that tie with Mo Hwa and her big brother? Is her father Heo Dam?

When The Devil Calls Your Name: We've been focusing on parents-children relationship in latest episodes. Ha Rip wanting to sell his soul and then deciding to sell Yi Kyung hit me. How much longer does he need to suffer to see his entourage happy? The Devil and his father... I don't understand exactly what's happening with them. What's the father's purpose on earth and what's with the messenger? We got a hint on Kang Ha's true identity and he was apparently a lawyer? Was he the one who defended Yi Kyung?

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Whoaaa what a list.I am amazed you can watch those shows. Thanks for the reviews.

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I just have more time since it's summer break :)

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Oh how I miss my school days :< That explains why you can watch so many shows at once.hahaha Please do enjoy your school days I swear Those were the days I miss marathoning a drama without sleeping hahaha Now I can't 😂 anymore ahaha Sleeping is too precious hahaha

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@scarlet0729 I will graduate from college next year so I will have less time but still squeeze a few dramas. These days are so precious!

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If I am not mistaken Jo Dong Hyuk was in the Original Bad Guys, if you don't mind violence.

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I know. That's where I discovered him :D I meant seeing him in more projects in the near future.

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Gotcha gotcha!!!

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nice to see another oshimashita fan. I like this show more than the ones I was supposed to like this season 😅

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I randomly clicked on it and I don't regret! The latest episode was really enjoyable as we got to see Sunny Side Up's members off the stage.

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It sounds like LOVE AFFAIRS was faithful to the original Japanese show.

I seldom watch such shows because most dramas dealing with cheating are attempts to justify it. That is why the spouse of the cheater is usually portrayed as an awful person who deserved to be cheating on. From my professional experience and watching the suffering of a sibling I realize that the reverse is more often true: The cheating spouse is more often also the awful spouse. This is not true of every show, there are exceptions to this: In THIS WEEK MY WIFE IS HAVING AN AFFAIR we saw a much more honest portrayal of cheating. And indirectly we see the more honest portrayal of cheating as the beginning point of the show- for instance Dae-han's backstory in THE GREAT SHOW starts with a father who cheated and left his family- an accurate summation of the immature selfishness of a cheater.

The unhappiness at the end of LOVE AFFAIRS is there for a reason. It is an acknowledgment that the moral rule against cheating has a fully rational basis: Cheating in reality is hurtful and destructive.

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My problem with the show is how unilateral the fault was. We have spent more time seeing the awfulness of each marriage than them questioning themselves (both cheaters and spouses). The growth for both parties happened during the time skip hence my deception. Cheating spouses were pitiful but not necessarily right but they didn't do anything to talk about their problems with their marriage. The ones who were cheated on showed anger and bitterness after they do found out the truth and they ended up letting go of their past feelings almost too easily because we weren't shown the processus of forgiving and moving on. The most interesting part for me, that was present in My Wife Will Have An Affair, happened off screen. Instead, we got spouses who kept hurting each other for longer than necessary.

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Live is available in Netflix?

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I don't have an account anymore but I don't think And, Live is available there.

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yupp planning to watch it too.:D since I saw it here in dramabeans.

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Finished: Before We Get Married - the ending wasn't bad, though I wish they spent less time on 321 and his craziness and gave this time to more talking between the leads (and to the Wise Sister who I missed dearly). Also, yes we finally got some nice steaming scenes... and yet the highlight for me was when Dawei defended Kefei and asked 321 for an apology.

Dropped: Watcher - the cutting of the fingers in episode 2 and the preview with organ black market was too much for me. Sorry Han Seok Kyu, Seo Kang Joon and others...

Checked: I finally checked Melo Suits Her and gosh it quickly got under my skin... and I cried so much towards the end of the first episode. This melo seems to suit me well... What I can't say about Song Seung Heon, I think comedy suits him more than melo 😆 His Great Show is so far better than what I expected and I already love Dae Han's dynamic with his fake children (even if it's sometimes a bit cliche).
(And look who got reincarnated here! Still handsome... and still a seducer 😁😁)

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Song Seung Heon found his specialty. He's made for comedy! He already has good chemistry with the children.

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My favorite scene was also Dawei defending Kefei, that look on her face. So adorable! Actually I think Haoyi ended on a better note than Ziyuan, a least he saw the error of his ways and started mending. She, like the unstoppable train she is, only plowed on.

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Rookie Historian: I'm consistently wowed by this show - despite the fact the premise seems to draw inspiration from sageuks (fusion, or otherwise) of the past, it keeps doing things I've never seen in a sageuk before. I can't believe it's almost over, actually. I think I'll miss this one~

Be Melodramatic: I can't even vocalise how much I love this show. How I force myself to wait for the subtitles because I can't afford to miss a single line of the witty dialogue, how sunny the soundtrack makes me feel. If it keeps at this pace, it will certainly be my Drama of the Year.

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Rookie Historian is 20 hours! It's always been indicated in Netflix and not just an extension, so this makes me happy. :)

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Yay! I wondered whether it needed more time to explore what it had set up, and that explains it!

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With all the arcs they're throwing in every episode, I'm afraid they'll compromise the ending. Hope they can weave it all good, and not leave us pulling our hairs out.

Writernim, please don' fail us.

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Rookie Historian took me surprise. The cast attracted me but I had no real expectations for the story and its execution. This show keeps going strong and better!

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I loved this one from the first episode which is a rarity for me. Still enjoying it. I’m a week behind, but savoring every scene!

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Wise decision :)

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idk what subs you use, but i found the VIU subs to be best. the viki ones, though clearly done by people and more explanatory, miss a lot of the correct english? so it's hard to understand. when i switched over the subs, i got a much better handle on it. anyway, agree with what you said. very fun, intelligent show

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Aw, I can't access VIU from Europe - the ones I use aren't bad, I mostly just them for reference. That way when I do miss things, I can piece them together with someone else's translation. I thought you'd also like it, @boughtabride, it seems right up your street.

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me neither as an american! but if you download the .srt file from subscene it can give you a text version if you just want to review it and/or don't want to pirate the show. i pay for viki but ended up using er other means and then used subs from subscene lol

i'm glad you can, i feel like current subs won't do non native eng speakers justice but that's the beauty of communication these days.

i wasn't aware anyone would really know who i am but of all things people remember me by, it's certainly my beliefs. i am so very predictable but it makes me happy you thought i would like it!!! i sure do. i was reticent to start but wow. so glad so many of us are liking it

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Ooh, I didn't realise that was possible! Well, it sounds a little complicated to me, but still! 😆

I see you around on a regular basis and our tastes have matched up a few times. Not to mention, I noticed that (obviously) you take to shows that represent women in a good way, so of course this gem that challenges the infantilisation of women would appeal!

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I'm in the UK and I've been using the VIU App from the Google Play Store.

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I use VIU a lot - but on my laptop with a VPN pretending to be in Singapore. I think they have more Japanese content than many others.

(Just watched Love that makes you cry & it's amazing)

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Oh, really? I always think about what a shame it is that Viki has such a small selection of Japanese stuff, considering how it's rarely fully subbed these days.

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Ashes - 3rd Test - Ben Stokes - What an amazing outcome of such determination, heart, courage and patience. TEST CRICKET is real life as sports. Path to Nirvana

Favourite - Filled my heart with joy and true love+ happiness. Feeling all the +ve and heart has become pure. Tears into my eyes. Butterflies in heart. Path to Nirvana

And, Live - 8 out of 10

Episode 04 - wow. Amazing Episode. Another episode that demands some delicious tears from you. I like both couples and they really suit each other but we know Hero has to be with Heroine in a romantic drama. Thankfully its JAPANESE drama so we can hope for an outcome that is true to the feelings of characters as well as Audience. So Hero-with-Heroine isn't a certain outcome at all.

Watashi Teiji de Kaerimasu - I won't work overtime - 8 out of 10.

This week we saw another Time management aka work-family issue. Those who ever - Marketing or Human resources study - know about - JOB SATISFACTION and this is where this episode makes an impact. Also, networking and favours Asian)business are helpful in Normal environment(especially Asa but also add lot of stress everywhere around. Unfair advantages are taken by the parties and upper hand leads to you being at their beck and call. All with fake forceful SMILES.

I don't Love You Yet - Another frustrating week. It feels quite dragging. The main objective is still there waving hands for an +ve outcome. Its not easy to confess when the strength of your relationship stands with being friends. Hero's words had such an big impact on Heroine and those words were one big reason why they become such personal friends.

BabySitter Gin - It has a manga. wow. gonna start this show today.

Perfect Crime - 6/10 The show becomes annoying later on but gonna watch it for some action. All episodes have translation now.

Noble Guys - 4/10 Honey's female actor. NOISE POLLUTION. mute and watch. Typical shoujo

Okazu-Kun - 7/10 - Waiting for movie translation. Far better than usual kdrama soap opera.

Nagi's Vacation - 6/10 - i'm trying it again after watching the +ve comments at D-addicts. This show suit my taste but don't know why i felt such -ve feelings towards it.

Dakara Watashi wa oshimashita - 7/10. alone enough to beat most of kdramas this year. Shiraishi Sei is becoming such a tough competitor.

Runway 24 - 7/10 I have no time to catch up with this show now. this is what we call variety in profession and environment. Kdrama writers specifically need to learn this lesson.

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MOVIES - Lenses on Her Heart - Got theme but well movie is just too slow and boring. 6/10

Korea - Melodramatic - 7.5/10 - heh ratings. drunkard chistmas Cake ahjummas having mental issues won't charm teens and young adults would avoid such -ve combo. This show is for those in their 30s. wit and quirks become repetitive and boring too soon. Its just like every character has memorised lines from new book and itching to use those words on others. like they all were in some debate club. Its nice and entertain. pityful characters having bad lif experiences. The more it tries to be real with action the more it tells you yeah - a fictional makeup story of few fictional characters. Either writer is confused or writer is fooling everyone including him/her.

Hotel - 6/10 - too long episodes. Don't expect logic. Emotional 13-14 episodes but all of it played a bit funny. Their tears were delicious. Soap opera in action. This show can be recommended to non-kdrama viewers though.

Issue makers - 7/10 Fine. time pass

I want to hear Song - 6/10 No hero needs to forget few months of memory. stretching it a lot.

Devil - 7.5/10 - This is the show to watch. Episode 07-08 are the peak. hit the peak and then roam aka episode 09-10.
Heroine is female version of John now. almost.

The Show - 4/10 - no originality - nothing special. annoying drama. Same story and plot aka literal porn. Babysitter heroine. annoying kids ready for future emotional drama.
There is not even a single thing good about this show.

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Explain to me how the political comedy is "literal porn"?

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Arth vs. Vagabond - Good entry point for non-kdrama viewers.
But i will go hard on both. Their trailers have brought down my enthusiasm. Its good. No need to get carried away.

CHINESE - Mowgli - Sue the production team, writer, director and actors. Communists send some forces there too and prevent your citizens from this trash. this one is far more a danger than some protesting folks.

Mr. Fighting - As soon as its translation was available i said this drama gonna work. This drama has quality. Well, hardly anyone up for it. Only if it had more romantic nonsense it would have attracted much more response.

Walk into your Memory - Time teaches me to love - both romance trash of plastic faces. These writers have ruined the feeling of real love.

Before we Get Married - Horrible show as a whole. 2/10. Heroine was the worst part of the show. Only if what she did and said was done 5 episodes earlier. Such haste to redeem those cucks. Well, from start i called it trash and it clearly kept it to heart.

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Mowgli: And I just didn't like it because I don't think Ma Tian Yu can act.

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How many episodes did you watch Walk into Memory to know that it is ruined the feeling of real love. So far, from watching the first episode. The ramen looks good. If they have food into every episode. I might watch it.

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And I'm also watching Hotel de Luna's finale this weekend!!!
(Fingers crossed it's satisfying... and funny 🙂 Give me back my bickering couple... sprinkled with a bit of chemistry... and perhaps a zebra suit 😄)

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Cuwentlty Vatching:

The Hotel That Must Not He Named
**Rrrrring rrrring**
Yes hello? Is this The Defenstration Club? Yes I was just wondering if you had any available spaces? Oh you have to check? No worries, I can ring the arsonist whilst I'm waiting for a callback. You have a good day now!

A Moment At 18
*Bbrrrrrrrrrnnnngggg*
Yeah hi... Are you Lingerie Girl's Generation 79 writer? Uh yeah look I really like what you're doing this time round yeah... Yeah it's really good... It's just... It's dragging a little... And I miss angsty Ong, you know?
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Oh yes I see last thirditis, I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you get better soon. Yes... Yes... Thank you. Goodbye! *click*

I Wanna Hear Your Song/Let Me Hear Your Song
*rrrring rrrrring*
Hello? Do you guys need a hug or something? Some chocolate? A teddy bear? A therapist?
*click*
Hello?!!!! COME BACK I CARE ABOUT YOU!!

Tree With Deep Roots
**Please leave a message after the tone**
*Beeeeeep*
I'm sorry I put you on hold for lesser shows. I will do better, I promise. I wanna finish you asap!!!
Chae Yoon-ah~ wait for me...

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Love the ring tone reviews !!!!

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I love your ring tone reviews. 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

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Be Melodramatic
As So Min and Eun Jung interact more due to the documentary in the present, I’m beginning to wonder what happened in the past to have damaged their friendship. From the preview, it does seem that So Min will not ignore Eun Jung’s self talking (unlike A Rang and the housemates) and maybe the reparation of the relationship might just be the way for Eun Jung to let Hong Dae go and move on. Eun Jung will in return force So Min to consider what’s her relationship with Min Joon seriously instead of letting the manager artist divide dictate everything awkwardly. No more orange lights please!

A Moment at Eighteen
The cliffhangers for both episodes this week were as inspirational as they could be, pardon the sarcasm. I wasn’t even feeling hopeful that Song Hee would change despite what Yeon Woo has done because of her history but this romance conflict is overpowering the whole story. At some point, I had hoped Sang Hoon and Hwi Young undergo the enemies to friends development while Oh Je faces some conflict between his crush Hwi Young and friendship with Joon Woo, but I instead got yet another romance crush from Chan Yeol. Why is the writing terrible when there’s potentially better arcs?

Hotel del Luna
While it’s gratifying to see Ji Won being manhandled by the people he killed (I’m quite sure that’s why he wasn’t erased straight away from existence by the Death Angel so that they can have their revenge), I feel that it would have been so much better if Sanchez, his very first victim from school, could have some closure on his own painful past. With almost everything wrapped up this week (Sun Bi better resolve his grudge in the finale!), I’m now afraid there will be the cliche obstacle in the penultimate episode with something like Man Wol forgetting Chan Sung. Will my hopes & prayers work?

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Be Melodramatic: I'm waiting for So Min to ask Eun Jung what's matter with her talking alone. I actually like their current relationship and hope they'll be friends again. There's enough place on the couch!

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I cant believe it, after Designated Survivor 60 Days, I am only watching Be Melodramatic. And without realized it's 7 eps already. The show is too enjoyable to watch and its realistic. Every scene is important... they share deep messages in a fun show. Laugh and tears.
I really really love this dramaaaa... good job, show.

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I Don’t Love You Yet (In Time With You JPN ver - marathoned the 14 episodes in 2 days. I love and hate this drama at the same time. Makes me want to have this kind of relationship too. Ren is such an ideal best friend (I want one). I do understand Yo’s dilemma but if she does decide to go with the wedding knowing perfectly well that she’s comprising, that’s not the wedding life a person should enter (for me)

DS60 - a fitting ending to an awesome drama. I’m now a fan of Son Seok-gu!

Be Melodramatic I LOVE! It’s like work version of Age of Youth!

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Haven’t caught up with this week’s episode for Rookie, Hotel and Melo

ON HOLD:
Seven Day Queen Ep13 It hurts so good but it still hurts. So I’m taking it slow.

Let Me Hear Your Song Ep4 Will be waiting for more comments. I probably am not into crackastic makjang if it turns into that as I could not finish TLE but enjoyed comments and posts from Beanies.

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Let Me Hear Your Song I'm watching it only for the 2 main characters.

A Moment at Eighteen Can we just push the bad parent in fire pit and let their children to be happy?

The Great Show Those 2 episodes look like a big intro. I'm impatient to see the family in action, it will be fun. Not sure about the Lee Sun Bin's character place in the story.

Rookie Historian Gu Hae-ryung The scenes with Fabien Yoon speaking French were so funny. I like how they show every angle of the historian job. I was expecting Prince Dowon's secret, not GHR's one.

Doctor Detective I would have prefered a case by week than a big case against a big villain.

Class of Lies The son is worst than the father... What a family.

When the Devil Calls Your Name The OST is so great!

Be Melodramatic I would like to see a little more Lee Eun-Jung and Hwang Han-Joo and less Im Jin-Joo's writting issue.

Hotel del Luna It's the end this week-end. I want a happy ending!

I don't Love You Yet The same frustration with the heroine I had with In Time With You.

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Rookie Historian: If someone told me there was a secret birth/identity I would have bet on Prince Dowon too. I'm really curious how her father's existence ties up with the story.

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Her father must have been put to death with the other leaders of Soraewon (or whatever the name is), and probably she was supposed to be put to death too. The mystery for me is why "older brother" Goo was able to get away with his life, and why Mo-hwa was so furious that he saved and adopted Hae-ryung. Was he a traitor?

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I supposed big brother wanted to protect this poor little girl from her father's murderer and "adopted" her.

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Yes, but the fact that Mo-wha, the doctor's apprentice, told him that he had no right and how dare he, suggests that he somehow betrayed the doctor, then tried to make up for it by saving his daughter.

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Welcome 2 Life: I have no real idea why I am still watching this show. It is weird and has completely ignored the other world and wondering if we ever get back to it. I do really love Bo Na though, what a charmer that baby girl is.

A Moment at Eighteen: OH NOOOOOOOOO, that ending, YIKES. I get that Soo Bin's mom was raw from the divorce, but that insane over reaction was too much. I hope she apologizes at the end of this. I guess there is something deeper there, but Yikes. Bravo Oh Je, sweet sweet boy, I hope he is okay. I also want to give my sympathy to Da Heen as well. She really liked him and he kind of broke her heart, that fact that she didn't realize he didn't like her in that way is not her fault, so I empathize with her pain. Also Pil Sang, my poor boy, Romi took all the joy from him and that was sad. As for Sang Hoon, mess stuff up.

A Great Show: Very entertaining. I can't wait for family shenanigans. Lee Sun Bin was completely miscast in this role, but here we are. Hopefully any romance is very very slight.

Justice: OOOOOH, we are coming to the end. Tae Kyung is about ready to take responsibility and the Chairman was moved by his poor son. So let's see what the last 2 episodes hold.

Doctor Detective: I realized the cartoon villainy of Mo Sung Kook is necessarily because they are combining all corporations into one giant one, but wow. The PSA's at the end are still the most informative.

Class of Lies: Beom Jin, wow, he is needs years of therapy and then prison. He really knows how to deflect blame.

When the Devil Calls your name: Please don't be a romance, please don't be a romance, please don't be a romance. Now will she give him her soul? She seems to be in love with him. This should be interesting.

Graceful Family: Mo Seok Hee is a BOSS. I love her. Also Harlabuji is wake, the plot thickens. I am excited for what happens next. I hope she gets TOP, they are awful.

Be Melodramatic: STILL PERFECT. I literally just enjoy this show. I have no comments other then if you are not watching, you should be.

Hotel Del Luna: Yeon Woo the real VIP. Unfortunately, Chang Sung crying at the bus stop, although sad didn't move me, mostly because their romance isn't believable to me. Aside from that, the Chung Myung thing just ended with a whimper, how MEH. Hopefully the last two episodes are more exciting.

Hell is Other Peopke: Can't wait to watch.

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Agree about Welcome 2 Life. I dropped it. It's basically just a police/prosecutor drama dressed up as a fantasy life switch, only the life switch seems meaningless.

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@kafiyah-bello, @kellie, @wishfultoki, @carmen, @trina

[Tagged all y’alls because you’re either watching, dropping or lukewarm]

the life switch seems meaningless

@kellie’s critique gets the heart of my frustration with Welcome 2 Life. The supernatural aspect feels largely forgotten and—other than Jae Sang’s occasional vapors—it doesn’t feel urgent.

Did any of you see the 2012 American series, Awake? It tackles concept of parallel worlds in a more compelling fashion. It stars British actor Jason Isaacs (Lucius Malfoy in Harry Potter world) as LAPD detective Michael Britten. In the midst of investigating a complex case, Michael and his family are involved in a car crash.

Michael survives the crash, waking up to find himself living in alternating parallel realities. In one, his wife survived. In the other, his son survived. He wears different colored wristbands to remember which reality he's in. (The color for each show is also different, warm for one and cold for the other). And at work, he's solving the same cases—each reality giving him clues as he gets closer to the truth. He also sees a shrink in each reality because he's obviously messed up.

Even the show's producers hadn't yet decided which world was "real." The only thing that was certain was that Awake's hero was psychologically fractured. The show was cancelled after Season 1 leaving things open-ended but I've long remembered it as a fascinating drama.

The Kdrama’s approach is more like the 2000 Nic Cage film Family Man where he experiences the life he could have had with Téa Leoni, his college sweetheart.

Wouldn’t Welcome 2 Life be much more compelling if Jae Sang flipped back and forth between each reality? Clues from each world would help him with his cases and his relationship with the bitter Shi On in his “original” life would shift as he experiences their joyful married life in the alternative world.

I'm puzzled by the PD's one-sided treatment of the parallel worlds. But, like @trina, I’m smitten with little Bo Na and not investing myself emotionally otherwise.

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Thanks for tagging me! What you outline is what I expected. I thought W2L would go back and forth between the realities, but that hasn't happened so far. I don't understand the connection between the cases and the world-hopping, and why I should care. I suspect he'll wake up from a coma in the last episode and find it was all a dream (Or he is dead already thanks to ToD and he's just hanging out somewhere in the dramaverse limbo). Let me know if there is a mind-blowing twist later!

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ToD. Ha!

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I literally have nothing to add, because Everything you said is what I felt. Also thanks for the memory, I remember Awake, and I remember watching it and feeling sad when it was cancelled. I'll give the show another episode and if I'm still meh about it, I will just stop watching.

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Thanks for tagging me. Awake seems a good show, it's a pity it was cancelled. I stopped watching Welcome 2 life after ep.10. Are you still watching it? What do you think about?

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He's back in the "real" world and completely destroyed. So that's interesting. I am half-watching which means, lots of FF.😜

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Graceful Family: Mo Seok Hee is a BOSS. I couldn't agree more! When she told the prosecutor that going to prison was on her bucket list, my respect for her skyrocketed. I can’t wait to see what havoc she and Halabeoji will cause next week.

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YEA!!!!! I love that people are watching this. I just love Mo Seok Hee, so fabulous.

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On When the Devil Calls Your Name: I completely agree, don't make it a romance. That will ruin it for me.

On Hotel Del Luna: Now that you mention it, Yeon Woo really should have been given more of the VVIP treatment without any explanation at all because he (dead or alive) truly should be considered one of the most important people to ever enter that hotel due to his relationship with Man Wol. It would have been cool to have seen a hint of that in the episode. What you said about the romance between Chang Sung and Man Wol never being believable is something I also agree with. In fact, sometimes when I imagine the main cast visually here, Man Wol and her closest people seem like the beautiful figures with long flowing hair, graceful moves and elaborate costumes while Chang Sung is more like the cartoonish figure with big eyes and spiked hair and a little flower behind his ear. I can't really picture a rationalize a romance between the two genres of characters.

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I am truly nervous they will do that for When the Devil calls your name. That is a good description of Hotel Del Luna. The romantic chemistry isn't there for me. /they seem more sibling like to me.

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Totally with you on Hotel Del Luna. I can't feel the romance right from the start but strangely I don't really mind it as there was not a lot of forced romantic scenes to deal with. It was handled at arm's length thus far, until it's unavoidable now at the last 2 episodes, because we all know that the only thing that can save MW is true love.

However, I was really disappointed at the way they resolved Chung Myung's story. I mean she waited for 1300 years for him to show up and did not even have a single word to say to him? At least a slap? That was actually the build-up I most anticipated. It was a huge let down, considering I really liked the past story better and it had more of an emotional impact.

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KING’S DAUGHTER SOO BAEK HYANG is the only show I’m watching. A+ for fast-paced fun, B for occasional lapses in writing. (Ep. 40)

A MOMENT AT EIGHTEEN: Was this a high school romance all along and I was wrong to expect more? *Sigh* On hold. (Ep 11)

WELCOME 2 LIFE: Welcome to my list of dropped dramas.

Waiting to start:
THE GREAT SHOW
ARTHDAL Part 3 😆🔥

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Is Arthdal good? Not sure if I shud start.

Btw, Toki reminds me of someone :) Any chance your Suze?

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I liked part 2 of Arthdal a lot better than Part 1 and now am eagerly awaiting 3 so if you start be patient with it. It gets better later.

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Yes, I agree. It really picks up in part 2 and I expect a tornado pace in part 3.

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I agree with @moonbean. Arthdal is not what I'd consider a good drama, but I liked Part 2. Part 1 dragged too much, so you could just watch ep. 1-2 and skip to ep. 7-13.

Nope, who's Suze? I'm just a fan of Pig Rabbit (from the 2009 drama You're Beautiful) :P

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I mean no... Technically Arthdal is not "good", but it can be enjoyed depending. But you should be warned it may drive you up the wall and you have to get through season one to get to the slightly more tolerable season 2... So I personally actually wouldn't recommend it, but Toki's episode recommend would probably do it.

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A moment at 18-- It's funny cos this writer did something similar in Lingerie Girl's Generation 79... She had all these dark backstories and series subplots but focused on the juvenile love triangle for so much of the show.
I still think [email protected] is the better show and has much more rich character motivations, and yes so far development as well... But it will be interesting to see how it ends.

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It's been a while... but yes, I remember that the writer hinted at some dark parent backstories but she (?) didn't really go into it. It was only 8 episodes though so I enjoyed the juvenile love triangle, or more like rooted for the guy in glasses. In [email protected] the romance is dragged way too long. And I don't see the narrative need to pair up everyone at that school. Only the vice-principal doesn't have a crush on someone, or maybe I missed it.

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Yeahp, there was a lot of serious content in it that was never addressed. Personally I found it jarring against the love line, which I didn't enjoy alas.
Yeah I'm actually missing the angst these past weeks. I like that JW is happier now, and has purpose in his life other than just being a walking shadow but I'm missing something to sink my teeth into.

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Gosh, I just love "Melo Suits Me..." I love how the characters are really odds and relatable, including the little Hwang In-gook..... And I suddenly want to put my shoes in In-gook's position living with her single mom, her two best friends, and the brother from his mother best friend who could be a gay.. I him answered Jin-joo when she asked how did In-gook confess to So-young, and the boy just said, "She confessed it first..." and when her other told him not to fight with Soo-young, he just said, "I don't fight with her. She hit me...." I just love the set-up.

The only character I find is still in lost is Jae-hoon. He completely knew that his girlfriend might be having an affair, and his love life could be such a messed, but he still can't decide what he needs to do....

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There is only one currently airing show that I am watching.
Melo is my Nature
And I LOVE it, last week there was some beanie who complained about PPL in this show and I think ep 6 answers your complains perfectly, The writers know what they are doing and they know what they want to do.
More about this show,
I love every second of it, its heavy on dialogue and I am blown away by the depth and meta of this which makes it extremely relateable.
- The shooting of documentary of our "normal actress" is so amazing and I have developed a deep respect for that girl, I can totally relate to sometimes feeling of pressure of a thousand sand bags on the job that you love that you end up doing it badly.
-The guilt trip to work, I use that so much, watching dramas and reading books all day, so that tomorrow I will feel guilty enough to work all day.
-Spending hours staying still because sometimes the body is working too much to digest food, also I would have worked hard to cook that food and then I finish eating it in 15 min, so sad.
- Finally putting up with people's unreasonable demands with a smile, even when they are at wrong and they violated contract because its way faster to do that and be done, then take the legal route.
-And being jealous and also admiring the same person, that is so true, we are so much like that.
-The bad presentation was hilarious, I could totally feel him. I have done so many bad ones before my teachers explained how not to do them, hahahhah. He did a PPT, I did a black board version of it, it was also amusing and hilarious, only in hind sight.

(This feels like a That's me, post, lol)
And then the hearts this show deserves ... 💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝
(The hearts with ribbons because the show was made by Santa , no?, then why do I need it so much?)

The second show that I am watching is completed The Forest of Secret
The hearts that I promised to @mary last week for the weasel king: 💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗
I am on ep 11, but already my heart is beating too much for weasel King, and Bae Donna will get the hearts next week, because right now I am busy adoring and looking up to her and being envious of her.

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the PPL in the show is hilarious. it's really not a choice for them, they have to put it in! the solution where it can definitely be sardonic and clever with it is a great one. it's a great emphasis imo.

so min...oh so min. the actress does a good job because she's definitely more mature and plays the line with so min. i love her and eun jung's relationship. i relate to the being jealous but having such admiration. it's clear so min has that but i definitely think eun jung gives that back. at a time, they knew each other.

there's this piece from the new york times about productivity. it's tied to labor and capital and stuff but it's basically talking about the fallacy of productivity. "drive your car to go to work, go to work to pay for this car." what's perseverance in the face of your happiness? and our lack of choice in the matter. as productivity rises and our wages and quality of life decrease, it's a real question of what are we doing? and as human beings, why can't we value and have moments of just DOING NOTHING. a repose. we all know, if we are at this age or around it, the value of work. when jin joo says that the people who say if you work harder it gets better are probably those who just Have It was powerful. and fortunately or unfortunately things line up for people in either luck (chance?) or privilege.

bae doona in secret forest shes' one of my favs! now that i know a woman head wrote the script, i see it from totally new eyes. i love it even more. Weasel King LMAOOOOO he really is a one of a kind character. omfg ep 11 is GOAT, TRULY. also the first time bae doona and yoon se ah meet at the dinner table then their interaction. chefs kiss...

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yes, to all you said above, I have also wasted a lot of hours in my life thinking about productivity, then I give up and work, we need that job to have happiness in life and specially if its the job you really love and that's what makes it harder, not hating it but loving it too much...
I love all the characters in the show a bit too much, hahaha.

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The PPL in ep. 7 was hilarious! I was counting on my fingers and I think they packed 7 product placements into the first 15 mins or so. But, they totally did it in a way that made me laugh not get annoyed. I love that the writers seem to be having fun with it.

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Totally, I am going to do the count tomorrow when I watched it fully subbed along with ep 8! This show is hilarious!

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The Last Empress ep 4-5: Hyuk being despicable with snake Yura, Na Wang Shik being dense and finally not dense and Sunny being gullible. I missed quite a lot during my first watch. This time I noticed Hyuk viewing Sunny differently in ep 5, it might be the start for his Sunny admiration! Hehe

Devil ep 9-10: finally some progress with Harip's contract stuff. Lucca's imminent death pushed him to do something.

Hyena ep 4-16 binge rewatch with fastforward button: for Shin Sung Rok's arc. Hahahaha

Defendant ep 1-2: Eum Ki Joon's character Cha Min Ho is so unhinged and scary!!! The way he drags his golf club in ep 1 was like a horror movie. Huuuuu

Looking forward to Vagabond! Maybe I'll make a countdown for it. Ki Tae Woong come soon!!! Excited 🤣

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Currently watching only four dramas: A MOMENT AT EIGHTEEN, I love the slice of life slow pace, teen romance is cute but I hope there will be more school focus next week, WHEN THE DEVIL CALLS YOUR NAME watching it only for actors and music, BE MELODRAMATIC Beanies already listed all reasons, I just want to add how much I love the deadpan delivery. HOTEL DEL LUNA, fingers crossed for finale.
And after THE UNTAMED I keep dipping my fingers into Cdrama world, now watching THE LEGENDS and loving both lead actresses. After YANXI PALACE and DETECTIVE L, I must admit I like the variety of females character in Cdramas more. Any Chinese recs??

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Female characters are generally better written in C dramas. Another female centric drama I'd recommend is The Story of Minglan.

As always, I will not pass an opportunity to promote Nirvana In Fire. From writing to cinematography and directing, it's top notch.

If you feel like trying a family C drama - I'd suggest All Is Well but it might not be for everyone though. This year, there were cute rom-coms like Go Go Squid, Le Coup De Foudre and Put Your Head On My Shoulder.

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I second @outofthisworld's recommendations of The Story of Minglan and Nirvana in Fire.

Minglan for me is perhaps the strongest and smartest heroine in Dramaland and all the female characters in TSoM are well written. NiF is a near flawless show. Even though the story is male centric, it does have wonderful and strong women characters.

Bloody Romance also features a whole group of women who are boss and the setting of the story is quite unconventional but one might need to be ready for a non-happily-ever-after ending. If you like the Wuxia genre, I recommend the 2017 adaptation of Jin Yong's The Legend of Condor Horses.

And yes, for cute fluffy fun rom-com, Put Your Head On My Shoulder is all kinds of adorableness!! (Oh how I miss you DoraMo! 😍)

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Thanks, will check Bloody Romance and Condor Heroes, but I want to read the book first.

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As you may know Jin Yong's novels are canon in the Wuxia genre in Chinese literature, and TLoCH is one of the most popular of his stories (with my all-toime favorite Jin Yong herione Huang Rong!)

However I would not recommend Bloody Romance the web novel. The drama shares the same premise but is quite different from the original story (at least for the first part that I have read). BR might be the case that the adaptation far exceeds the original!

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@kimbapnoona, oh no, I just plan to read Condor Heroes, I know it's legendary book compared to Tolkien's LotR and last year new translation was published.

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If I remember correctly, the author of Bloody Romance never completed the novel, it was completed by someone else (or am I thinking of some other novel?)

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Is the 2017 version the one with Li Yitong as the female lead?

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Yes! She is so perfectly cast as Huang Rong.!! BTW @shach, she is also the female lead in Bloody Romance.

Li Yi Tong is one of my favorite Chinese actresses and I very much look forward to the upcoming Sword Dynasty with Li Xian!

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@giegie0384 What drama are you talking about with Li Yitong?

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@linda-palapala The Legend of Condor Heroes 2017 version. It’s been on my to-watch list for sometime now since I really like Li YiTong after watching her in Bloody Romance.

@kimbapnoona Same! I love her! When is her & Li Xian’s (😍) drama airdate? She also has a new drama with Deng Lun and it’s going to air later this year! Yaay!

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@giegie0384 Both Sword Dynasty and Begonia Rouge should air this year but no definite airing dates. As you know China is so weird with its airing schedule that sometimes a drama can drop or gets pulled without any notice.

One thing is certain, we will be seeing Li Yi Tong quite a bit....she has 4 other dramas (not including the 2 mentioned above) waiting to be released!

Hahaha also just noticed my mistake with the title earlier in this thread.....Heroes not Horses 😅 Wae?

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I tried the cutsy rom-coms but they are not my thing apparently, I couldn't go through first episodes, Minglan is sooo slow that I give up on this drama for now, but still has it on my watchlist stuck on ep. 6. I saw a lot of mentions of Nirvana and All is Well, so definitly check them out now, thanks :)

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If you have not tried Mr. Fighting yet then give that a try. Slice of life, Sandra Ma is awesome as well as Deng Lun. It ended last week and I miss it.💓

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NIRVANA IN FIRE spoiled me for life - I still haven't found a drama as magnificent as it. The pace is different from kdramas so give it a few episodes to introduce the many characters and start putting together the puzzle pieces. :)

I also really enjoyed PRINCESS WEI YOUNG. It starts with a bang and doesn't really stop. Addictive stuff.

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After many C-dramas I've come to realize I mostly like the Wuxia genre, martial arts. But only if they're good, of course. The modern C-dramas mostly not for me, esp lately when the moral message is so in-your-face.
Legends is Wuxia and I did like it a lot too. Recommendations for good female characters? My favorite female character in a C-drama (besides Bai Lu in Legends) is from Nirvana in Fire 2, the doctor that Ping Jing falls in love with. I'm trying to find the link to a really good article about females in C-dramas and it specifically talks about her role. I'll post the link once I find it.

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I'm eagerly waiting, I'm on lookout for interesting write up on Cdrama and Cent, I always like to supplement my watching with background info.

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Thanks :)

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I'm one of the few who didn't like NIF or Minglan, but I don't like palace dramas. I prefer Wuxia, martial arts, and my favorites are Legend of Fuyao, Legends, Untamed, Oriental Odyssey, NIF2 (it's slow paced though), more to follow...

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@shach Oh, yes, there's Bloody Romance - it's rather sadistic if you ask me. Somebody loved to torture males. I still liked it, and even though some thought it was a sad ending, no, they didn't get it. It was an open ending, depending on whether or not she followed the clues. I choose to believe she did since she's quite intelligent.
Story of Yanxi Palace: (the only palace one I've mostly watched, though I wouldn't finish after Xu Kai died).
I'm only listing Wuxia, no modern ones though there are some I like.

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Now I'm curious which modern ones You like :D

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Oh, dear, will get back to you. I like mostly the ones that get rather low ratings...maybe it's because not only do I not need a love triangle, but I hate them.
Here goes: anything with Ethan Ruan (Juan) but he's usually in Taiwan productions. Queen of No Marriage (My Queen), Fated to Love You.
Love Me If You Dare: At least the first time, until someone pointed out the female lead (Sandra Ma) turned into a helpless victim who had to be saved. That ruined it for me.
Evolution of Our Love: Super low ratings, but I liked it. And it had the only "triangle" where the really annoying female 2nd did a great job obsessing over the male lead and I actually liked her.
Only Side by Side With You: no reason in the world I should have liked it, but I did. Strong female lead too.
Addicted: Oh, wait, it's China's only BL explicit, so no females.
The Golden Eyes: Just won some Korean award for best drama, though I've no clue why. It's okay if you like the lead and archaeology and old artifacts and jade. It was cut down from 60 to 56 episodes with a note at the end saying "the bad guys were brought to justice." Say, what?
Medical Examiner Dr Qin: procedurals are boring, but I mostly looked at Zhang Ruo yun. Enough is enough. And this doesn't include Republican Era dramas, which are only good if you like tragic endings.

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Addendum to Dr Qin: I loved all three main characters and their ability to tease each other. The female was tiny, dressed in men's clothes and had a super short haircut. I've never seen anyone look so cute and feminine in men's clothing! And the 2nd male was Li Xian, the actor who's really popular right now.

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@linda-palapala, ha I only watched Medical Examiner Qin, another interesting female character in this one.

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@shach @linda-palapala mentioned My Queenand Fated To Love You, these have been remade by the Koreans but the Taiwanese did it so much better.

On Medical Examiner Dr Qin - the procedurals bored me but the trio are superb. It's another case of a female character who'd probably get the short end of the stick in a k crime show(did I tell you how relieved I was with Officer Jo in Watcher?) but not in here. I can watch them banter and bicker all day.

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@outofthisworld speaking of Dr Qin, I do remember now the female was a damsel in distress the last episode and he had to save her, but you know what - he was a dude in distress in the previous episodes and she saved him using her problem/crime-solving skills.

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@linda-palapala I don't demand Wonder Woman. It's fine as long as she has brains but lose out on brawn.

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@outofthisworld @linda-palapala talking about FL in procedurals I can't forget how impressed I was with DETECTIVE L, FL there was rookie detective but she was shown as still capable and "muscle" in the leads professional relationship, and still able to make independent judgment and not follow ML blindly.

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@shach I agree on the FL in Detective L. I didn't care about the ML but the FL surprised me. What I like is that the female character doesn't need to be the boss or a superior position nor act like a all sassy and strong headed but she is still intelligent and independent.

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I only watched Bloody Romance on your list. I love it. There is only one filler episode which is great. The rest of the episodes was so great. My favorite character was the prince even though I know the other guy is way better for her due to they were in love.

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What did you think of the ending of Bloody Romance? There's supposed to be a poem on the fan that clues her in to his whereabouts, where he's recuperating and she can find him.

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Out of all the modern Chinese dramas from your list. I only like Medical Examiner Dr Qin. I dropped Love Me IF you Dare. Only Side by Side with You was meh for me. I think that is the one lots of backstory of flashbacks more then the present story. Did not watch Golden Eyes.

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Oh, yeah, I forgot about all the annoying flashbacks. And the more episodes that aired, the more flashbacks they had.
Try Golden Eyes, though there's a lot of info dump about archaeology. The jade info was interesting.

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Only Side by Side with You was the first drama I had watched that had a flashback within a flashback and many of the flashbacks are of scenes that just took place within the same episode!! 🤦‍♀️😂

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I like NIF and Minglan. From what I read Minglan the novel is much better. I did not like Fuyao halfway due to they rushed the ending and it is slow. NIF2 was good.

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Although Fuyao was once one of my favorites (because of Ethan Ruan who acted his heart out) I have to admit I ff thru all the side stories.

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*whispers* The FF button is my best friend. It's a rare treat when my finger doesn't itch for that arrow.

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@tsutsuloo Heh, heh..ff is my friend too and the only reason I make it thru most dramas. However, if I remember correctly, Untamed is the only thing I've never ff'd thru, not even the 2nd watching. It must have been Xiao Zhan. But I think the 3rd watch will require a few ff thumb events, just to see the lovely gazes between Lanzhan and Weiying. If only all dramas had the same electricity.

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thumb events

You make me laugh.😂

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Regarding the ending of Bloody Romance, I like it. Rumor have there is Bloody Romance 2. However, I do not think so. I like it that show what is written on the fan and where he at in the town. It is great open ending scene.

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I don't think I could take a Bloody Romance 2!

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I think one reason I've been more into cdramas lately compared to kdramas is because cdramas tend to have much better written female characters, both the main characters and secondary ones.

Some of my favorite cdramas is: The Untamed, Nirvana in Fire, Story of Yanxi Palace, Ashes of Love, Eternal Love (Ten Miles of Peach Blossom), Legend of Ming Lan, Go Go Squid. Some that arent favs but I still suggest as I quite enjoyed them is Oh My General, Put Your Head on My Shoulder, Love me if You Dare, Ever Night, Legend of Fuyao, Love O2O, A Love So Beautiful, Meteor Garden, Bloody Romance, Sweet Dreams, Princess Weiyoung, Flames Daughter, Princess Silver, Sound of the Desert, Boss and Me, and General and I. This is a mix of modern and historical/fantasy cdramas. Cheers!

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Totally agree with the better characters. For the good dramas, they don't waste 50 episodes going in circles, they use them to build on characterisation and even the secondary characters are given attention.

Kdramas have been improving with better written female characters but still when it happens, it feels as if they achieve a milestone.

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Yes, but in c-dramas there are a lot of protagonist Mary Sues too.

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No doubt but given that I don't watch that many C dramas(neither do I watch that many kdramas) and most have good to great female characters, I'd say it's a probability thing.

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