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When the Camellia Blooms: Episodes 3-4

Our poor male lead continues to make a terrible impression on his new crush, but his loyalty and almost child-like transparency may yet turn things around. Our heroine is very closed-off right now, but I have no doubt that perseverance will pay off in the end.

 
EPISODE 3: “The Good, the Bad, and the Cheap”

We open on the crime scene, as Yong-shik cries and drops to the ground in grief after seeing the victim’s face. The police find a note in the woman’s pocket that reads, “I already told you five years ago not to act up.”

Onto lighter things. After giving her the money, Yong-shik manages to follow Dong-baek around by handily claiming, when she politely tries to ditch him, that he’s patrolling and can’t let her walk alone at night with her being so pretty and all.

“By chance, are you drunk?” she asks, smelling his breath. To add insult to injury, she wonders if Yong-shik extorted Kyu-tae out of his wallet. HA.

At the police station the next day, Yong-shik unconcernedly eats lunch while Captain Byun attempts to placate Kyu-tae, who is threatening to sue over Yong-shik’s behavior last night. Yong-shik’s flippant demeaner and pointed warning that stealing food can send you to jail does nothing to ease tensions.

Meanwhile, at the bar, The Return of Superman is on again. Hyang-mi watches Jong-ryeol take his daughter to see dolphins before suddenly grilling Dong-baek about Pil-gu’s dad. She doesn’t seem to mind, although she doesn’t give any straight answers. Dong-baek just says vaguely that she could see him every day if she wanted to.

Chief Byun tries to get Yong-shik to take pity on Kyu-tae by explaining how he lends money to anyone who compliments him, and he loves a good power trip and a clique, but he hates not getting special treatment. Plus, his wife being smarter than him makes him insecure. To illustrate, we flashback to dinner the previous night where his wife corrects his speech errors in real time to “save him future embarrassment.” Even Chief Byun’s superhero analogy (Be like Iron Man, who’s flexible, not the Hulk, who walks around half-naked!) does nothing to dissuade Yong-shik from thinking it’s better to just punch Kyu-tae if necessary.

As they walk home, Dong-baek asks Pil-gu if he wants to go see dolphins, but he thinks that’s childish and wants a video game console like the one his friend’s dad sent. Dong-baek asks if Pil-gu is curious about his dad, but he says not really. It’s like never owning a game console versus getting yours taken away—it’s hard to miss what you’ve never had.

Captain Byun gets Yong-shik to apologize to Kyu-tae, although it takes some prompting. When Yong-shik says the magic words “future governor,” Kyu-tae is immediately appeased, and they go eat. The peace is short-lived, however, when Kyu-tae starts talking about “girls like” Dong-baek who are just trying to get attention (ugh). Yong-shik can’t hold back and says men who insult a woman for turning them down are the worst. He storms out.

While playing an arcade game, Pil-gu’s friend Joon-gi tells him Jong-ryeol is shooting his show in Ongsan the next day. (It’s his hometown.) Deok-soon catches Pil-gu playing games and takes him to her restaurant. Apparently, she does this whenever she catches him at the arcade. He complains, but sits and eats.

When Deok-soon catches Seung-yeob harassing her employee Helena outside, she tells him to stop chasing girls and help Yong-shik up his dating game instead. To her shock, he says Yong-shik is already seeing a lawyer. Right on cue, Yong-shik storms up and yells at his mom to make him food. (Better watch that tone, mister.) Deok-soon pries into his love life but gets nothing out of him. Yong-shik notices Pil-gu eating alone (and for free), and Deok-soon claims he’s a special guest.

Per usual, the neighborhood ajummas are busy badmouthing Dong-baek, with one even blaming her for her son’s delinquency. Another seems to think bars are gateways to red-light districts, which signals impending neighborhood doom.

Thankfully, there seems to be one ajumma who tries to infuse the conversation with some rationality. Seung-yeob and his friend Heung-shik actively defend Dong-baek. While everyone’s chatting, Chan-sook’s going over her credit card statement and scoffs when she sees a charge for the Camellia.

Deok-soon brags to the rational ajumma, Jae-young, about her son dating a lawyer, even though he’s dumb (heh). Meanwhile, Chan-sook is busy yelling at Dong-baek for doing her job. She demands a refund for the alcohol Dong-baek sold her husband and almost gets it, but Deok-soon shows up and puts a stop to the proceedings. She tells Chan-sook to blame her husband for flirting instead of blaming Dong-baek and tells everyone to stop bothering Dong-baek.

Deok-soon chides Dong-baek for being a pushover, but Dong-baek just smiles sweetly and says she’s never had a powerful friend before. Deok-soon sends her home with some kimchi and encourages her to be strong; she experienced something similar after she was widowed. Dong-baek wishes she had a mom like Deok-soon and jokes that she heard her youngest was single.

Said son is currently pacing outside of Dong-baek’s bar and sees Pil-gu chasing two boys down the street. Pil-gu yells at them for calling his mom by her given name (which is disrespectful) just because she runs a bar. Yong-shik watches, reminded of his own childhood when kids would insult his mom. He steps in when one of the boys kicks Pil-gu, but his reprimands work a little too well and he ends up buying consolation snacks when the kids start crying.

Pil-gu is dejected after “basically winning” the fight against the older bully. To cheer him up, Yong-shik entices the kid to play in the arcade with him rather than going to his academy classes. Pil-gu watches in awe as Yong-shik nonchalantly exchanges bill after bill for a mound of coins. Welp, this is going to backfire.

As they play, Yong-shik muses that he’s probably old enough to be Pil-gu’s father and starts asking about him. When Pil-gu says his dad probably doesn’t know his age or even his name, Yong-shik bluntly asks if Pil-gu has a dad. Yong-shik says there’s no shame if he doesn’t; he didn’t have one either. As for those who pity him for not having a dad—pity them instead.

EPISODE 4

Pil-gu tells him to come by his mom’s shop, but before he can tell him the name, Dong-baek shows up after getting a call from Pil-gu’s academy. She is not amused. Yong-shik stands, shocked to realize his crush is Pil-gu’s mom. When she finds out Yong-shik gave her kid 10,000 won to play games, she is even less amused. She ushers her son away from the “weird man,” leaving Yong-shik dumbfounded (again). It’s almost impressive how bad of an impression he’s managed to make in two days’ time.

On their way home, Pil-gu stands up for Yong-shik, saying he’s not a weird man. He even took his side in the fight. Dong-baek frustratedly asks why he keeps getting into fights, but he just tells her she doesn’t need to know.

Chief Byun is prepping for his interview about his old case: the Joker killings. Yong-shik wonders why they’re interviewing the detective “who couldn’t even catch Joker,” to which the Chief counters he’s not interested in the opinion of the “soon-to-be former police officer.” HA. He yells after Yong-shik that Kyu-tae filed a formal complaint. In light of this news, while with his partner in the squad car, Yong-shik fidgets and sighs as he nervously starts to look up the sentence for mugging but thinks better of it.

As Dong-baek shops, Jae-young worries to Chan-sook about her husband’s excessive, unexplained spending. Chan-sook thinks he has a mistress. Dong-baek asks the price of rice cakes, which Chan-sook promptly inflates, but Jae-young jumps in and gives her a discounted price.

Another ajumma runs up to tell them about the Return of Superman shoot happening in town. When she mentions Jong-ryeol’s name, Dong-baek looks alarmed and literally runs away.

At his old elementary school, Jong-ryeol is finding it a bit hard to concentrate on filming with the whole baseball team glaring from across the field. Pil-gu is particularly put out at the disruption to their practice. He approaches Jong-ryeol, angrily asking if he’ll take responsibility if they lose tomorrow’s game. Dong-baek shows up as it starts to get more heated, which makes for the second time someone stares in shock as they realize who Pil-gu’s mom is.

Dong-baek and Jong-ryeol relocate to a café where he hesitantly starts to ask about Pil-gu’s age, and she cuts him off. “That’s right, he’s your son.” Wow. No prelude or anything for that bomb.

Unaware he’s in Kyu-tae’s wife’s office, Yong-shik solicits legal advice about the complaint. He’s worried about the repercussions of convincing Dong-baek to countersue, so he explains Kyu-tae’s (convoluted) chain of influence. It now dawns on Ja-young that this is about her husband. She asks if this dine-and-dash was at the Camellia and assures him her husband won’t be suing if he wants to stay married. Ha.

Back at the café, Jong-ryeol is panicking and asks if Pil-gu is for sure his kid. He asks how, since she said she wasn’t pregnant back then. But he knows she wanted a family, so it’s no surprise she kept and raised the baby.

We flash back to when they were dating and she lamented not having any family, saying she wants five kids. She claimed she won’t be like her mom and abandon her kid because it’s hard. He wins her the germanium bracelet she currently wears from a game machine.

He wants to know why she settled in Ongsan. Is it because it’s his hometown? Dong-baek claims, just like Pil-gu did, that he doesn’t own it. She tells him not to be a coward and lies that her husband treats her so well she almost forgot about him, so he shouldn’t be scared. Him being her first love isn’t even a big deal. To herself, she admits she loved him so much she’d hoped not to see him again.

Walking home in a daze, Yong-shik spots Dong-baek as she heads toward Chan-sook, leader of the ajummas, who’s now harassing Hyang-mi for borrowing money from Jae-young’s husband. Dong-baek tries to get them to hear Hyang-mi out, but Jae-young won’t listen: “She’s the hostess and you’re the Madam. You’re probably just alike. Hey, do you think you’re equal to us just because you work every day?”

Poor Yong-shik fails to maintain order, and Dong-baek is on the verge of tears as Jae-young says she was only nice because she felt sorry for her, “and this is how you repay me?” Dong-baek quietly says she did nothing wrong and owes nothing. She starts crying in earnest, asking why she always gets blamed just for working hard. And now they harass her about crying. *Sigh*

Pil-gu comes charging in and shoves Chan-sook, screaming “Why are you hitting my mom?!” Dong-baek pulls him back as he threatens to hit Chan-sook’s son everyday if she hits his mom. Damn, kid. Chan-sook flips out, but Yong-shik looks impressed to see the kid fearlessly standing up for his mom.

Dong-baek chides Pil-gu for disrespecting his elders and getting into fights, but he says it’s because of her. He’s too young to be protecting her – she should be protecting him — but he has no choice since he’s the only person who likes her. Aww. Now they’re both crying as he says he gets tired and angry about it. Yong-shik watches, getting emotional himself.

While Jong-ryeol helps pick up baseballs in the field with Seung-yeob (the coach), he covertly tries to ask about Pil-gu’s family situation, but Seung-yeob wants to know why he cares so much. Jong-ryeol thinks he knows, so he almost spills the tea about Pil-gu. In fact, Seung-yeob just thinks he’s trying to get into politics since his batting average is lower now. Ha.

At the bar, Dong-baek gives Yong-shik peanuts on the house (wait ’til Kyu-tae finds out). She says it’s for standing up for Pil-gu, since no other adult does. But she does ask Yong-shik not to take him to the arcade.

When he follows her out, she asks if he’s on patrol again, but he says he’s just worried. His constant attention bothers her, and she wonders if he pities her. She tells him it’s uncomfortable and to stop worrying about her, since it embarrasses her that he keeps finding her in humiliating situations. He doesn’t stop following her, so she asks, “Do you think I’ll leave my kid behind and jump in the lake or something?” He says he’s just worried she’ll cry alone, which upsets him. She walks away with another, “What a weird guy.”

She ends up at the train station, Yong-shik in tow. He thinks she’s leaving without her son, but Dong-baek says she’s just going to sit inside. “It’s my gas station. Let me fill up my tank.” (Yong-shik: “The train station doesn’t sell gas.” Oh, honey.) She says she’s thinking of changing jobs.

Dong-baek sits on the platform, studiously ignoring Yong-shik as he tries to guess her dream job. After making her laugh by guessing she wants to be a train driver, he finally wears her down.

She admits she wants to work in the lost and found center here at the station. People apologize to her or even tell her they love her but never thank her. Here, she would be thanked regularly.

Yong-shik wants her to stop getting hurt by others’ words. She should be mean back. To his confusion, she’d rather ignore them, since they’re exhausted and frustrated in life too. People should be nice to each other, which includes the neighbors who go too far with her. Yong-shik looks like he’s so frustrated he’s about to explode. In the pouring rain, they argue about getting another umbrella, with him saying not to waste her “peanut money” (8,000 won) on it, so they share his.

On their way home, Yong-shik says he read somewhere that you should eat sashimi with soju if you feel upset, but Dong-baek doesn’t drink with strangers. He tries to convince her to at least bring him along when she feels like going to the train station and awkwardly suggests they become friends. She laughs that it’s the first time someone has asked her that. He says if they’re friends, he can side with her and Pil-gu whenever. He’s not asking to date or anything, just be friends…for now.

Seung-yeob takes Jong-ryeol to the happening place in Ongsan: The Camellia. He sighs over the name, getting another reminder of Dong-baek (dong-baek=camellia in Korean). Jong-ryeol asks Seung-yeob about Pil-gu again and is surprised to hear Pil-gu has baseball talent.

When Jong-ryeol goes outside to smoke, he overhears Yong-shik casually talking about Pil-gu with Dong-baek and assumes he’s the husband. Dong-baek notices him and grabs Yong-shik’s hand to sell the lie, while Jong-ryeol looks upset.

And, of course, Kyu-tae pulls up (with the expensive eye cream) and sees the handholding. “Are you guys dating?” Now Jong-ryeol is confused, as is Yong-shik, who happily asks, “Are we dating now?”

Flashback to Yong-shik changing the messages on the wall at Dong-baek’s bar in banmal (casual language) to polite language. He doesn’t notice the note that reads, “Dong-baek, don’t act up.”

 
COMMENTS

Thanks to the small-town setting, the show has a more slice-of-life vibe than is typical in most rom-coms. The neighborhood gossip and confrontations add a different dimension to the story. Nobody is wearing the latest fashions with perfect, shiny hair and crazy expensive accessories they likely shouldn’t be able to afford. The realistic setting along with its warm color palette gives the show an understated appeal that I’m here for. But is it a requirement these days that all romances have a dash of murder? Serial killers are seriously in vogue right now. I like the vibe of the show so far, so I hope the murder-y aspects don’t take over as we go.

Dong-baek is an interesting character. I find her equal parts sweet and frustrating. We’ve seen that she is capable of standing up for herself but only if pushed to a breaking point. That emotional scene between her and Pil-gu was telling. He’s right—he shouldn’t have to be the protector. If for no other reason than to relieve her son of the burden, she really needs to try to step up and be more assertive. If she had a more self-confident demeanor, others would be less likely to pick on her. Every time she cowers, she gives them more ammunition.

But those ajummas need to calm down (a la Taylor Swift). Chan-sook, in particular, needs to take a seat. After six years of this nonsense, how has Dong-baek not blown up at them yet? Thank goodness for Deok-soon, who is steadfastly on Dong-baek’s side. I had thought Jae-young was okay, but she showed her true colors when it involved her husband. Yeesh. Well, at least she’s gaining another ally in Yong-shik.

Speaking of Yong-shik, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a hero quite so doofus-y before. There’s certainly no geeenius cop here, which is a nice change of pace. He does need to respect boundaries though. If she says to stop following her, then stop following her! No means no, sir. One of my pet peeves in dramas (or life) is when someone doesn’t respect someone else’s decision. It’s not cute just because we know he lurves her. In Yong-shik’s case, I feel like it’s less of an intentional I’m-ignoring-your-wishes-because-I-know-better and more of a childlike lack of self-restraint. We’ve seen that he’s incredibly impulsive and transparent, so he comes across as harmless. But still—boundaries, dude.

I don’t have strong feelings on their relationship yet. I don’t dislike them as a potential couple, but I’m not yet rooting for them either. Right now, I just want Dong-baek to have a good friend she can relax around. I think Yong-shik realized that’s what she needs too, after everything he’s seen her go through. I’m not sure where this fake-relationship aspect will go, but I’m really hoping they get to be friends first rather than rushing into a romantic relationship.

At this point, I think I’m more a fan of Yong-shik and Pil-gu’s relationship than I am the main couple (And Pil-gu and Dong-baek. Maybe I’m just a fan of Pil-gu.). I love that Yong-shik bonded with Pil-gu before he even knew he was Dong-baek’s son. Poor little Pil-gu needs someone who understands him. Plus, I think that’ll go a long way toward undoing the…unfortunate impression Yong-shik has made on Dong-baek so far.

I was not expecting to learn who Pil-gu’s dad is so quickly! I don’t know how to feel about Jong-ryeol yet, but he still seems very affected by Dong-baek. I wonder why she didn’t tell him about Pil-gu? Based on how he’s trying to find out more about the kid, it seems like he’d be willing to be a part of his life. Dong-baek and Jong-ryeol don’t seem to harbor animosity towards each other, so I can’t figure out why she didn’t tell him sooner. Pil-gu is a bright kid, which means it’s only a matter of time before he learns who Jong-ryeol is. Things are going to get interesting.

 
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WELCOME to another new minion! Glad you have you, quirkycase!

I'm loving this drama so much. Yong-shik is delightfully dim yet insightful, and I agree that he's more childlike than intentionally pushy. But I also agree that Dong-baek needs a friend more than a boyfriend at the moment. Yong-shik needs to slow his roll and just let his relationship with Dong-baek evolve naturally, and give her a chance to see that he's a decent guy and not a whackadoo like he's coming across as in his eagerness. I do think he's a sweetheart and absolutely means no harm, but he's got to get some chill.

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Hi @quirkycase! Thank you for the recap!

So far, I’ve really enjoyed what this drama has had to offer. I understand why everyone feels a little frustrated with Dongbaek. The things the ahjummas say are really too much and I wish she felt confident enough to really give them a piece of her mind. Having said that, though, coming from a rather traditional Asian society in Asia, I can kind of understand where Dongbaek is coming from.

Even though she’s been living in Ongsan for 6 years, she’s still the newest resident and the one of the youngest amongst the various business owners and sellers in the market. As hurt and upset as can be, she probably feels that there is little point in standing up for herself against the “elders” in the community, and that going up against them might make them even more hostile to her (which will also affect her son) than they already are. This, of course, is by no means a justification for their bad behaviour or for Dongbaek’s meek approach (I really want to see her tell Chansook to shove off), but what I think might be her reasoning for holding back at times.

That aside, Yongshik is such a lovable country bumpkin. I totally agree that he should pull back and chill out a bit, because once he loosens up and stops being so starstruck all the time, I’m sure he’s going to be a really good friend to Dongbaek and Pilgu. He’s earnest (maybe even to a fault) and just such a good guy, I really hope he treads carefully with this Joker situation because I would hate to see him get hurt.

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Welcome @quirkycase, thanks for the recap...

Similar with @quirkycase, I love the fashion setting of this drama. And i just realized in this episode that we're away from flashy K-drama fashion - where even a poor girl could afford to buy tons of flashy suits and bags. I love how realistic the wardrobe is, like the one we've see in the "Third My Way."

Because of Dong-baek's character, I'm liking Gong Hyo-jin back.. (to be honest, I could not finish JI because of her character), like when I like her a lot in "Biscuit Teacher Star Candy". Her character her is similar to that one. :). What I'm in love the most with Dong-baek is her honestly, like the fact that she's proud of being single mother (like it doesn't matter to her), and the way he told JR that Pil-gu is his son.

As for Yong-shik, I'm happy that Kang Ha-neul took this role, after so many serious characters he's been playing. Yong-shik is somewhat closed to his 'real' character (maybe), the one that we saw in "Youth Over Flower: Iceland", when he's so cute and pluffy. :)

I'm all about curious now when YS's mom knows that his maknae is harboring love toward Dongbaek.

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Hwang Yeong-sik is a character that will stay with me for a long long time.... Like Kim Sunah's Kim Sam-soon... :)

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Pil Gu is so cute! I really agreed with all he said to his mum! By not protecting herself better, she's hurting him.

I don't like when a woman doesn't tell to the futur father that he will be father. I mean except when he is a dangerous person. I think, even if she thinks he won't take his responsabilities or a child will change his life, he must be his choice. He was shocked and curious to learn he has a son.

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Yeah. I want to know what transpired and why they parted ways.
Throwing a bomb like that knowing he is with another woman and a child was a bit harsh. I will reserve judgement until I hear the story!!

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Welcome @quirkycase! Excited for all your recaps! I'm just loving the characters! The setting and the fashion is authentic which makes the show better!

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Yong-Shik and Pil-Gu!!! They were so good together. I am rooting for them!! They seem to be in sync and for the first time PilGu met someone who understood him.

The neighborhood ajhummas. That scene were they bullied her and got all offended that she cried?? Really? A bunch or jealous and insecure women. Arghhh. Harass your husband if he spends a million won. You only have that right.
I hate that most dramas show women going straight to the other women when they find out their husband is cheating. Like it’s always the woman’s fault and not the man. Ok going off-topic.

Yong-Shik: He is slowly getting my heart!!!
The way he gets offended because of Mr.NO is telling of his personality. He calls out his obnoxious behavior right then and there. Am glad finally someone is giving it back to that jerk.

I have no opinion about JungRyeol yet. Just don’t hurt PilGu in the process ok??

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I feel the same about Jung-ryeol, I don't want him hurting Pil-gu by showing up now, but I can't really blame him for that since he didn't know about him, I just wanna know why Dong-baek didn't tell him about his their son and why they broke up in the first place!

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yeah. It came from nowhere and clearly he is shaken. I understand why he is doing what he is doing. But I want both of them to sit down and have a serious chat. Once he figures out what role he wants to play.
PilGu is smart and he will figure out soon.
I am reserving all judgement until we hear the backstory.

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Welcome @quirkycase, and thank you for the recap!

I absolutely love Pil-gu, I love that he is not afraid to stand up for his mom even if it means getting bullied or hit by the other kids, he demands their respect for his mom because he knows she works hard to provide for herself and him, and if they can't do that he has no reason to do the same! I think I understand Dong-baek for not wanting to talk back at those ajummas, she is an outcast and standing up for herself is really of no help in her situation, they'll always find a reason to harass her, she'll always be the pretty girl who caught their husbands' interest, they can't see that she has no fault in that!

Yong-shik is such a sweetheart and even though he might seem a little eager to get to know Dong-baek and be around her, he doesn't come off as stalkerish or pushy, at least not to me, I think it's because of that that Dong-baek opened up to him a little, she's never had anyone like him in her life before, someone who takes her side, someone who cares! I'm glad that Yong-shik met Pil-gu before knowing that he's Dong-baek's son, I don't think that would've changed how he treats him really but it was nice to see them bonding even before that!

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@azzo1
As SKDrama watchers, isn't it time to stop pretending what the ajummas are doing is either just unthinking or pettiness.

Sure, it may look like pettiness - but that is only the surface. These women are fighting to hold onto their positions in their world's hierarchy. They may be playing on a smaller field but the battle will be just as hard fought as any palace Sageuk.

Just as in a Sageuk, these women will plot any smear and cause any amount of pain - because to their eyes and the eyes of those around them, protecting their position is the morally right thing to do and takes precedence.

This is a hierarchical culture and they know exactly what they are doing and doing it for a reason.

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Kang Pil-gu owned this eps. I've forgotten how brutally honest a kid could be, and he reminded me (plus his mom and Young-shik) about that with his short outburst. I love how despite him being very mature and understanding, he is still a child after all. He wanted to be protected too, not always the one doing the protecting. And I'm so glad he found a "friend" in Young-shik. I'm anticipating more encounter between him and his dad, and really hope Jung-ryeol is as "weird" as the rest of the cast.

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Yong-shik and Pil-gu's friendship is adorable to bits! I think the Beanies will start a Pil-gu fan club soon and I'm not complaining. Hehe

But what really amazes me is the friendship between Dong-baek and Deok-soon (Young-shik's mom). I do hope they stay as BFFs while Yong-shik is busy trying to (be both dumb and adorable) win Dong-baek's heart.

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Thanks @quirkycase and welcome to Minion-hood!

I like the banner for this show. It says a lot that the 3 in the middle are all smiles and the rest of the cast are sitting behind and not looking pleased. Yong Shik, Dong Baek and Pil Gu already look like they could form a family from that banner/poster.

It's interesting watching this show which is a rom-com thriller. What a mesh of genres! I find that may relax for a while and enjoy the character interactions and then I get a bit stressed remembering that someone is going to be dead by the end of the series. It's a strange feeling. I can't say I like it or dislike it.

Everything and almost everyone revolves around the character of Dong Baek. It focuses on her coming, her moving around, her business, her son, her friends and enemies and ultimately her possible death (and her killer). Gong Hyo Jin has to bear a huge portion of the weight in this show and she's doing a great job. Kang Ha Neul is a delight as the doofus in love, Kim Kang Hoon is another great child actor, and all the supporting characters who make us hate or roll our eyes at them are wonderful as well.

I'll be watching until the end partly for the romance but more to know who died and who the killer is!! 😝

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I love, love it when an actor/ actress doesn't care about his look. Kang Ha Neul is a gem. I have never watched him before. Hope he will become big someday. Soon.

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When the plot was revealed I thought this was going to be a lot more romantic, people were calling it a noona romance. There is no romance, she doesn't like him, there is no chemistry and he is too childlike for her. I'm not saying he isn't adorable, he is, just not the kind of guy she feels attraction, they can have a very nice friendship story.
I was also frustrated with the ahjummas, DB has no problem refusing peanuts to the petty landowner but becomes a doormat for women. It is strange, it's not just about the elders because this guy has more real power over her. She offers money back to the women but can't pretend to be nice to him. I know some might say this guy needs boundaries but when they can even hit her and make her cry it's just weird.
I was very surprised she hid the child from the father and simply told him straight that it was his without a hint of shame. I feel like we are supposed to think that is something she had a right to do if they were not together anymore, that's why he isn't really mad at her.

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Hello @quirkycase, I am looking forward to watching the show "with" you! The amount of fun I am having watching Kang Haneul is criminal; the dude is ridiculously talented and being impressed.

I am also a Pil-gu fan! Another talented actor. A little intense for his scenes, but I'm expecting the directing to have a role in damping that down, unless... There is a plot reason behind him having the chip on his soldier.

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thanks for the well written recap:-) i'm watching this show, but still not warming up to it...although i'm really enjoying the small town setting with its nagging and bickering residents:-)...btw, i think Dong-baek doesn't know that Yong-shik is Deok-soon's son (if this is known already then i may have missed it)...i know he was in the city, when she just came to town six years back, but she is friendly with his mom, so even if this is a small town, won't she have seen photo of her only son who is also famous in this town...

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That chilling inscription on the wall means the Joker sat in that same chair some time in the past six years.

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There’s a date inscribed next to the message...

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Now I have to go back and look. But I'm not sure when the action is taking place in relation to the present -- the recovery of the murder victim would be now, right? So are the events that we're seeing a few months ago? A year ago?

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So the Joker left this note six years ago.

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And the events we're seeing are from a year ago?

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@lindag I believe that the recovery of the murder victim that we see in Ep 1 and 2 is the victim of the future. What we are watching could be a few months in the past. It's hard to tell since no one is wearing the latest fashion. So I believe we are anticipating a death in the future.

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I don't want to post spoilers from ep. 3 (aka 5-6), but I think it's clear from a reference in that ep that "current events" are in 2018 and the future is 2019.

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Welcome, quirkycase!

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Welcome @quirkycase
I am liking this show so far but I think I'll wait for the next recap to decide if I should pick the show up.
I don't think I've watched Kang Haneul before. So I'm hoping to see him through this one

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Hi, @martinjsimwaba! Kang Ha-neul played Prince #8 Wang Wook in MOON LOVERS: SCARLET HEART RYEO, if you happen to have watched that show with Lee Joon-gi in the lead as Prince #4 Wang So. ;-)

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KHN was in Heirs!

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Is it just me or is anyone else getting major Gaston vibes from Kyu-tae??

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Yes and no. You have to imagine Gaston married to an intelligent woman -- and henpecked.

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Thank you for your recap of WHEN THE CAMELLIA BLOOMS, @quirkycase! And congratulations on your maiden voyage as a DB recapper. <3

Jeon Bae-su as Capt. Byun slays me with his placation of the irate “Lord” No by massaging him with his back scratcher at the precinct. It's the funniest thing I've seen in ages. Such a little gesture, but it perfectly conveys the police chief's offhanded calming of the irate tightwad who tried to stiff Dong-baek for the price of a serving of peanuts on his bar tab the night before. Somehow Officer Hwang cadged his wallet and paid CEO Dong-baek the outstanding “peanut balance.” And now No is at the precinct attempting to raise holy hell. But it's not working. Byun is diverting him, and Yong-shik just doesn't care as he scarfs down his ramyun. He proceeds to solemnly report on the status of the puppy born on a nearby farm that was supposedly sired by a neighboring farm's white dog. No blows his top. This is hilarious!

Yong-shik himself comes across as an overgrown puppy in need of obedience training. He just cannot hold himself back, which is totally in keeping with his act-first-ask-questions-later temperament. He's not malicious, just overly enthusiastic – which is the exact opposite of Dong-baek. If anything makes her stand up for herself, I think it will be Yong-shik – or rather, a combination of the cop and Pil-gu, whose outburst at his mother following his no-holds-barred defense of her from ajumma Chan-sook's bullying broke my heart.

I loved how Yong-shik had already figured out what the lad needed – male bonding with an empathetic father figure – and took it upon himself to not only stick up for the boy when he was being bullied, but took him to the video arcade afterwards for hooky restorative quality time. I think he gets his empathy from Deuk-soon, who also keeps an eye on the boy. Mom also watches out for Dong-baek and instantly shuts down the Marinated Crab Matrons, which I found heartwarming. But if it all goes sideways for some reason, there will be a bunch of broken hearts.

I don't yet know what to make of baseball star Jong-ryeol, other than to say that he does not strike me as a male chauvinist pig. He is legally married to a beautiful young woman who is a social media addict, but she has no love for him or their baby, and doesn’t even live with them. We haven't seen enough of his back story to have insight into why Dong-baek left him – and lied that she was not pregnant. Perhaps he was being traded to another team, and that would have necessitated a change of residence. Or maybe she didn't want him to be endangered by a scandal, and opted to go it alone to spare his athletic career. He obviously loves his infant daughter, and seems to be in awe of the ferocious son he just found out about. Kim Ji-suk is doing a great job portraying him as a complex, sympathetic character.

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@pakalanapikake
WOAH!
It has taken me 2 weeks to see that Chan-sook’s attack on Dong-Baek over the credit card statement was just a stalking horse.

Her real issue was Dong-baek taking her customers.

These women all know the men have been drinking there for 6years. It can not be a surprise. But the "wangtta" taking her customers (directly competing with her lively hood) - that could not be left alone.

Chan-Soon hides her reprisal in a more socially acceptable attack in the eyes of the other women. One that infers the worst about Dong-Baek's morals - "the single mother, alcohol seller...wink, wink".

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@SadKdramaLama,
Interesting take on Chan-sook's attack on Dong-baek being a matter of losing customers to the wangtta. But this has been going on for 6 years already. And it was shown that before the Camellia bar opened, the menfolk drank outdoors down by the waterline. So Chan-sook really hasn't lost any sales -- because the men were avoiding all the watering holes in town because of the ever-present "spies."

The timing of Chan-sook's attack makes me wonder. Have things been too quiet for too long? Maybe Chan-sook figured it was time to assert her status and administer a preemptive put-down to make sure Dong-baek knew her place. Has something been going on in her own life that she needs to blow off steam -- and kicking the dog wangtta is the socially-sanctioned pressure-relief valve?

Maybe I'm getting this confused with another issue in a different episode. Chan-sook & Co. attacked Hyang-mi because one of the Marinated Crab Matrons' husbands had lent money to the part-timer. Was Dong-baek being attacked because of her employee's behavior? It wouldn't be the first time that someone conflated the two of them -- not that it would much matter, as they are both considered losers. (But Dong-baek is the bigger loser because of her illegitimate child.)

Whatever the motivation, Chan-sook hypocritically attacks Dong-baek for selling booze at her establishment -- the very thing she does herself. Heck, all the eateries do it. They cannot afford not to when their customers expect alcohol to be served with food. But because all the other Marinated Crab Matrons have husbands, they are automatically above reproach.

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@pakalanapikake
I wrote for ep 7-8
..."This is a case of how do you smear someone who does what you do."...

Once I wrote that, it twigged that this argument was like so many arguments that couples have IRL where the point of the fight is not the real argument at all.

People go off - using some random but convenient stalking horse (usually blown out of real proportion) to fight a battle they have been stewing over but didn't want to say out loud.

This is where the writing is really excelling. It manages to capture multiple readings and embed its brutal subtext in such natural mannerisms. So, even though the drama is littered with comedic threads, it never leaves reality.

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It is telling that Dong-baek aspires to run the Lost & Found at the local train station – because people are so grateful to the employee who reunites them with their lost property. It says a lot about her that she craves that kind of attention. Given what we've seen of the abuse that she regularly receives from the Marinated Crab Matrons, I can understand how she would much prefer that kind of attention.

Hyang-mi is quite a cipher, especially as it has been revealed that she has borrowed money from the hubby of one of the Marinated Crab Matrons. This cannot be good. Does she have a gambling addiction or something? From what I gather, she and Dong-baek grew up in the same orphanage.

And then there is "Lord" No aka Peanut Moocher. He is pathetic, and just as henpecked as his fellow townsmen. In fact, Wife Esq. is one scary lady. Yum Hye-ran has perfected killer stink eye and an intimidating vibe (she was terrific in LAWLESS LAWYER), and she deploys it against “Lord” No with utter ruthlessness. It also slays me how she constantly corrects her husband’s malapropisms. (Oddly, this same schtick is currently playing out in FLOWER CREW, one of whose members chronically mangles the Korean language.) I was surprised to learn that “Lord” No is actually an optician by training. So why isn't he pursuing that profession instead of parking cars and swanning around town? Is Ongsan too small, or did he lose his license for some reason?

I'm concerned by that bit of graffiti on the wall below the tabletop where Yong-sik sits: "Dong-baek, don't be a joke." This is creepy as hell.

WHEN THE CAMELLIA BLOOMS is a gem. It has so much heart and soul, and makes me excited in a way that I haven't felt for a while. The feel of the show reminds me a bit of the start of OH HAE-YOUNG AGAIN. Kang Ha-neul is fabulous as the earnestly dorky cop who's a straight-shooter. Kong Hyo-jin simmers as the single mom who marches to her own drummer. Kim Kang-hoon is simply marvelous as feisty Pil-gu. He will go far as an actor. He has so much pizzaz. I'm really impressed with Oh Jung-se and Jong Bae-su as childish peacock "Lord" No and down-to-earth Capt. Byun, respectively. They bring great warmth to their characters.

This show is a shot in the arm. It had me laughing my head off. But it is also touching, even with the murder mystery running in the background. Here's hoping this slice-of-life in Ongsan continues to weave its web of magic clean through to the finale. I can't wait for next week.

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@pakalanapikake
This show has the ability to go from a standing start to the most emotional moments and not miss a beat. Sometimes its makes my head spin - but mainly at those moments my heart becomes the only thing I am conscious of.

I can't totally get a read on where it wants to take us but I so like the journey at the moment.

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@SadKDramaLama,
I couldn't agree more. The comedy and absurdity can fly high because CAMELLIA has its feet, and its emotions, firmly on the ground. Like you, I don't know where the plot is headed, but I surely want to see how the story unfolds -- and how the characters navigate their arcs.

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Thanks for the recap, quirkycase! Hope you have fun at DB. I'm also a fan of Pilgu, and hope that his role doesn't diminish too much throughout the drama. His scene with Dongbaek in this episode was especially moving.

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Still intrigued to see how this community will come together. It’s very much an us vs. them mentality, which I hope changes to a community binding together to fight a common evil. Looks like they won’t be successful though...which bothers me. Otherwise, the softness of the cinematography is really appealing to me as well. KANG Ha-neul is hitting this out of the park. He’s already a favorite.

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The leads are amazing. Watching Kang Ha-neul in Misaeng was nice, but I am thrilled he has the lead here. I've always enjoyed Hong Hyo-jin, and recall thinking while watching that I have missed her.

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This show has brought me back here. I love it so far and am watching it again as I wait for more episodes. The cast is great! I'm gonna watch for more episode recaps; there's plenty to discuss!

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It’s been a LOOOONNNGGG time! Welcome back!

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Where’s your bogummy avatar?

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Wow! Long time no see, @rentenmann! It's been a dog's age! I'm glad we'll be watching KHN and GHJ together! Welcome back! <3

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please...somebody help me...i love it and i want to know how is the name for the soundstrack or the music that used

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@ eli,

I suspect that the OST has not yet been released as DramaWiki's page for the show has a link for it that is not yet live. They usually post detailed information on each track. Check back from time to time:

https://wiki.d-addicts.com/When_the_Camellia_Blooms

Keep an eye on YouTube. I don't see it there yet, either.

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