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When the Camellia Blooms: Episodes 17-18

To flee or not to flee, that is the question this hour for our heroine. Her newly minted desire to stand up for herself wars with her practiced instinct to run away. Standing at a crossroads, it’s not always easy to know whether to choose fight or flight. At least this time, our heroine has a support system in place, whatever she chooses.

 
EPISODE 17: “I Will Welcome Everyone”

May 3, 2013: A hopeful Dong-baek greets her first customers at the Camellia. Over the years, it becomes home, complete with Pil-gu’s height recorded by the door as he grows. Now, Dong-baek tapes a sign thanking her customers for their support on the door.

Hyang-mi thinks she should be less thankful considering the way Dong-baek’s been treated. Jung-sook looks contemplative as Dong-baek says even though the ajummas hate her, they’re always giving her kimchi—that’s never happened anywhere else. Ongsan is strange, but she’s enjoyed living there.

Elsewhere, the ajummas are playing cards and feeling bad about Dong-baek leaving. Now they regret not including her more (except Chan-sook, of course). Jae-young says she couldn’t have even lasted a year in Dong-baek’s shoes.

While shopping, Jung-sook asks Hyang-mi why Dong-baek wants to leave. Hyang-mi thinks it’s so she won’t have to face Deok-soon. Jung-sook interrupts Hyang-mi’s musings that Dong-baek should hit Jung-ryeol up for money. At that, Jung-sook sharply warns her, “Hey, I told you not to act up.” Hyang-mi looks taken aback as Jung-sook continues, “Everyone’s acting up and getting on my nerves.”

Jung-sook is surprised to learn that Hyang-mi plans to go to Copenhagen and isn’t staying with Dong-baek. Hyang-mi thinks back to Dong-baek packing both of their stuff (including her bracelet) at the Camellia, saying Hyang-mi was coming too. It was the first time a boss had cared about her.

In town, Jae-young gives Dong-baek some extra boxes and slips in a bunch of food and household items with them. Chan-sook tells Dong-baek to come pick up more boxes at her place. Another ajumma runs up and awkwardly throws a few boxes at her feet. Dong-baek starts to tear up.

Deok-soon is waiting at the Camellia when Dong-baek gets back. She tries to convince her to stay in Ongsan, which makes Dong-baek happy.

She thanks Deok-soon for being so kind to her and cries as she says walking hand-in-hand with Deok-soon made her think, “This is what having a mom must be like.”

Deok-soon frustratedly berates Dong-baek for leaving after she put her through all that with Yong-shik. She turns her back to Dong-baek as she gets emotional. Dong-baek promises to try to forget Yong-shik, saying he’ll do the same over time.

Yong-shik relentlessly continues his investigation, telling himself, like a mantra, that he has to catch the Joker so Dong-baek can stay. In the recent CCTV footage of OK Aesthetics, Yong-shik notices a window on the building next door that goes from open to closed and shows it to Captain Byun. Someone was watching Yong-shik.

At the home of our unhappy couple, Ja-young tries to look at Kyu-tae’s bank account, but he’s locked her out. She gets a text from someone saying he has the motel footage. Kyu-tae pretends to be asleep on the couch as his wife glares.

Yong-shik checks out the building from the footage, but it’s empty and looks untouched. He calls the cleaner who’s advertised there to find the landlord. Outside, he notices a bowl of cat food. We see a similar bowl of cat food across the street from the Camellia.

At the bar, Dong-baek wonders how people afford rent deposits. Hyang-mi says she should just ask Jong-ryeol for money since he’s rich. Dong-baek looks surprised and asks her to keep Pil-gu’s dad a secret.

As Hyang-mi cryptically says she’s glad she works there, Yong-shik literally jumps in to eat lunch.

Jessica continues harassing Jong-ryeol to send her to Milan or divorce her. He says he’s not like her mom who will cave if she threatens. She says they should divorce then. Jong-ryeol: “Okay. Let’s do it.” Why would he cling to someone who isn’t interested in him or their child?

As Dong-baek and Yong-shik eat, she admits it feels like “the person up there” has forgotten her. When Yong-shik assures her good things will happen from now on, she shyly says she already got lucky in having Yong-shik. His happiness is short-lived as she follows up by telling him (like a goodbye) to continue living well.

While doing dishes, Yong-shik tells Dong-baek that he knows how she feels, so stop trying to act tough. No matter where she goes, he’ll come by every day to eat her stir-fried pork.

When she says “another Dong-baek” may move in, he claims he wouldn’t even fall for Im Soo-jung if she came selling dumplings.

Jong-ryeol comes by to give Dong-baek the abalones (with a side of cash). To his surprise, she agrees to take the money. She’ll count it as backpay from cleaning and cooking for him when they dated. She starts to cry, saying as a mom, she can’t afford pride.

Hyang-mi catches Yong-shik bringing Dong-baek flowers and warns him it’s a bad time. He should let them work things out.

Inside, Dong-baek tells Jong-ryeol she’ll pay him back. He gets upset and starts to ask, if he gave up everything? “Don’t. I won’t take you back.” Yong-shik walks in just then and sees them hand in hand.

EPISODE 18

Yong-shik stares at the two of them, then calmly asks Dong-baek to come to him. Jong-ryeol literally holds her back from going and tells her to think of Pil-gu (Seriously?).

Yong-shik says the Dong-baek he respects and cares for isn’t the type to let others control her life, so she should do whatever she wants. She turns to Jong-ryeol and Yong-shik’s face falls. Jong-ryeol says he’ll figure out things as soon as possible, but Dong-baek quietly cuts him off–“Let go. Or I’ll kill you.”

As Jong-ryeol leaves, Hyang-mi pesters him again, showing him pictures of him with Dong-baek. Over coffee, he tells her to make them public—he’s got an agency and lawyers to block this sort of thing. She says they’ll see who’s faster, her or his lawyers. “Don’t act up,” he warns.

Ja-young discovers Hyang-mi, receiver of the eye cream, in the motel footage. She watches Kyu-tae sleep and wonders, “If I end it all here, would I be able to wipe the wall clean?” She fantasizes about bashing his head in but goes with dumping water on him instead, leaving him to shake the water out of his ear. Heh.

At home, Jung-sook frantically searches for something and heads out, while Pil-gu seems in a funk. On their way out, Yong-shik pops out of nowhere and practically accosts Pil-gu with a bouquet by accident. There’s no cool way to play it off, so he congratulates Pil-gu on going to school and hands it to him. Smoooth.

Pil-gu proclaims he’s firmly against Yong-shik being with his mom (Yong-shik clutches his heart.). Dong-baek asks Pil-gu why he always wants Joon-gi on his team for games, to which he replies Joon-gi isn’t very smart, but he’s strong. “So you understand how I feel, then.” HA!

Pil-gu argues he’ll be a teenager soon, and they’re scarier than the police (fair point), so they don’t need Yong-shik.

Distracted by the terrifying thought of her son during puberty, Yong-shik has to yank Dong-baek out of the way of an oncoming car BY HER HAIR.

He argues that he wouldn’t dare grab her hand, since they’re not officially dating yet. If he respects her, everyone else might too. Aww.

On the team bus, Jong-ryeol reads about an athlete, referred to as “K,” who supposedly has a mistress. Looks like Hyang-mi was faster. His teammates wonder who the athlete is while Jong-ryeol looks nervous.

Outside the Camellia, right as Dong-baek wonders where her mom went, Jung-sook comes up behind her and slaps her back. She tells her to stand tall and not look so intimidated. They head inside, and Dong-baek gets a phone call from Jong-ryeol, who wants to meet.

Meanwhile, Chief Byun and Yong-shik go to investigate the fire at the school. Yong-shik posits the fire could’ve been arson and seems to want to link it to the Joker, but Chief Byun thinks he’s going overboard. Not everything is like CSI.

At dinner, Dong-baek won’t tell Jong-ryeol where she’s moving. Annoyed, he asks why Pil-gu has to live worrying about money and sleeping at a bar. He found a good school for Pil-gu in Boston, so she and Pil-gu should move there. He’ll financially support them.

Dong-baek bristles at him trying to control their lives, but Jong-ryeol says he’s worried about Pil-gu getting labeled as his illegitimate son. Dong-baek states, “Pil-gu isn’t your illegitimate son. He’s just my kid.” Jong-ryeol acts like it’s all Dong-baek’s fault for leaving in the first place, which makes Dong-baek scoff.

We flash back to when they dated, and they both only cared about him. He constantly moved forward, while she sat in his apartment alone, watching him on TV. Dong-baek knew he didn’t want a baby, so she faked a negative pregnancy test result and finally left him.

She went to the hospital but couldn’t go through with an abortion. Instead, she decided to protect her baby twice as much. Jong-ryeol cries as she says his only child is his daughter; Pil-gu is hers alone. He asks how he can ignore Pil-gu when he’s already seen him, but she says she’ll give back the money, so stay out of their lives.

Jong-ryeol wonders when she got so strong. “Was it that cop?” He asks how she can want to be with someone after all she’s been though. “Why do you assume that I won’t be able to have a normal, happy life?” He may think of her as just unfortunate, but Yong-shik sees her as someone who deserves happiness.

Jong-ryeol chases Dong-baek outside, telling her to think about what’s best for Pil-gu. Can’t they just go to Boston? She wasn’t like this before. Dong-baek is tired of lowering herself and thinks about her mom and Yong-shik telling her to stand tall and face things head on.

Dong-baek tells Jong-ryeol she’s grateful for him showing her what a great person Yong-shik is. Being in this position again has made her realize there’s no escape even if you run. She’s done running away, “so all of you need to stop acting up.”

Dong-baek walks home, passing a drunk man in an alley. When he approaches her, she gets nervous but stands firm and confronts him. She (politely) tells him to come to his senses. “Do you think I’m a pushover?” He’s so taken aback he politely apologizes. They bow goodbye, concluding the nicest confrontation ever.

Dong-baek sees Yong-shik outside the Camellia and runs up excitedly with a huge smile. Out of breath, she says she gets it now. People were mean because she was a pushover! After emphatically rambling about how lions go after the weak, she marches up to the Camellia’s door, rips off the farewell sign, stomps on it and puts back the welcome mat.

Yong-shik is overcome with a case of cute overload and can barely contain himself. Dong-baek grabs his hands, and they laugh.

Caught up in excitement, she kisses his cheek. He freezes, and she starts to panic. Yong-shik just stares and says, “You did it first.” He kisses her.

Cue eerie music as someone whose face we don’t see plays with a lighter, saying he’s annoyed. Dong-baek greets him familiarly as he enters the Camellia. She smiles and informs him she’s open for business again.

 
COMMENTS

I’m so over Jong-ryeol’s entitlement. He needs to take a step back and stop being so selfish. I especially hate the way he’s using Pil-gu to guilt Dong-baek. You just met the kid five minutes ago, and you really think you know better than the mother who raised him? The way he keeps criticizing Dong-baek’s parenting and lifestyle is out of line. Who is he to call her life pitiful? Has he once asked if they’re happy with their life? Pil-gu is obviously not being mistreated, so he has no right to interfere. It’s clear he’s used to getting his way and doesn’t know what to do with the unleashed Dong-baek. Even now, he assumes Yong-shik is influencing Dong-baek. God forbid she be strong on her own.

Yong-shik serves as such a contrast to Jong-ryeol in how he treats and thinks of Dong-baek. That moment in the bar when Jong-ryeol kept literally holding her back, while Yong-shik left everything up to Dong-baek and trusted her to know what was best for herself perfectly sums it up. Yong-shik respects her decisions and treats her like the grown person she is. Overall, I like their relationship progression; they’ve gradually built mutual respect, trust and affection in a believable way. They make a good team, and it’s nice to see Dong-baek allowing herself to be happy with him.

I find Jung-sook a bit suspicious. Besides her secretive trips, she pays close attention to the conversations around her and almost seems to be gathering information. It’s hard to tell how mentally aware she is. I don’t think she’s faking her dementia, but I do wonder if she’s lucid more frequently than she lets on. It seems like she has a goal, so I’m curious to know if she’s up to something. It was nice to see the ajummas finally admitting they could’ve been better to Dong-baek. Although it doesn’t make up for the bullying, I’m glad they reached out to help Dong-baek a little. Hopefully, now that she’s decided to stay, they can start fresh. All she wants is to feel respected and not like an outsider.

Interestingly, three people in these episodes used the Joker’s “don’t act up” phrase: Jung-sook, Jong-ryeol and even Dong-baek. Two of those times it was said to Hyang-mi, which seems like foreshadowing. Combine that with the fact that Dong-baek is no longer wearing the bracelet and it seems more and more likely that Hyang-mi could be the future victim. As for the Joker himself, it does look like the Joker’s a man as whoever walked into the Camellia was a regular and (as far as we know) the town’s women don’t frequent the place. I wish we knew a little more about his motivations. All we know right now is that he gets annoyed easily and offs people who “act up,” whatever that means. Oh, and he likes cats. I’m glad we’re integrating the mystery more into the present as opposed to the flashforwards, but I still don’t feel like it’s totally necessary to the story. I’d be fine without the criminal element, but what can you do?

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Waaaaa... THAT KISS! Oh I’m so happy for these two adorkables getting together. Here is the gentleman who didn’t hold her hand because they aren’t official yet, who didn’t forcibly grab her and hold on to her like JR did, and who is man enough to kiss her back when she did. 🥰 Go Yong Shik!!!

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I'm just loving this show! Even the murder mystery! The week does not pass fast enough!

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Yong-shik!

In the first few episodes of the drama, I was worried we will have a weak main couple.. and was wondering WHY they are the main couple.
But slowly we see how strong, sensitive and thoughtful these two are.
Especially Yong-shik! Kudos to Kang Ha-Neul's portrayal of Yong-shik. He is able to make as believe that a naive policeman is actually a mature and sensitive young man.
I am not as good as words as the others, but I am sure you know what I mean. 😁

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Thanks @quirkycase.
I enjoyed this episode. I love all the warm-hearted moments, especially with Deok Soon and Yong Shik and even the few and insufficient ones with the ahjummas.

The characterisation continues to be great with even the irritating Jessica, becoming a little interesting, with her own secrets kept from Jong Ryeol. Her sudden shock and crestfallen look when he agreed to a divorce implies that she may never have wanted to totally break off and lose such a convenient benefactor.

I thought it a pity Ja Young didn't put a little something extra into that water she sloshed on Kyu Tae. I wish we had more screen time with her.

Jung Sook is a cipher. I believe she's only got the slightest bit of dementia and that she's mainly lucid but mysteriously pretends to know little. She has obviously been keeping tabs on Dong Baek for years, since she has Camellia's telephone number on her bracelet. She has turned up now, conveniently when the killer was resurfacing and manages to stay by DB's side. 5 years previously, someone set off the water sprinkler and banged on the door of OK Aesthetic in the nick of time to save DB. Coincidences in kdramas are often 'foreshadowings'. We'll have to wait and see if this is one of them.

Yong Shik in his exuberance continues to win my heart. What a kid he is, and while not that smart, has better wits and observation than Chief Byun. His all out love-declarations and sincere promises are just the sweetest things, making this one of the loveliest romances in the midst of chilling murder. Show does this so well. It seldom fails to bring in the chills at the height of a warm and happy moment. My heart feels a pain in anticipating the soon-to-end happy times and the time when Yong Shik will be fraught with horror.

Hyang Mi looks to be just 'asking' to be killed. She's baiting more than one person who'll be happy to have her dead or gone. If she really is the one to turn up killed, the mystery of who killed her will just get more interesting, because then, it won't have to be the Joker who dun it! 🤔 🤭 😁

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>>I thought it a pity Ja Young didn't put a little something extra into that water she sloshed on Kyu Tae.

That looks like a foot bath that she's holding... I'd recognise that machine anywhere...

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Haha, that makes it much more satisfying!

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LOL horrors, he may have drunk some of it! 🤢 🤪 🤣

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I think both JungRyeol and DonBaek can't let go of the past, and are in the wrong, PilGu deserve better. It was frustrating watching them together, I wanted to smack them both interchangeably.
I still think DonBeak's mom faking her illness, she is to focused but I doubt she is there for her daughter. I sincerely hope money from JR were put in the bank, because with mom and HyangMi around there are not safe. What I loved was DonBaek deciding to fight for herself and JaYoung deciding that murdring her husband is not worth it for all the cleaning it'll take after.
That Joker line that everyone started spurting so ominously sounded really lame with camera hanging too long on that scenes.

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I get what you mean by this. I cut Dong-baek a bit more slack because I can see how the way Jong-ryeol treats her causes her to be overprotective. In some ways, it's structured as a part of her growth. Hopefully her stubbornness can finally get him to reframe what he wants - just a relationship with his son.

For now, I can understand why she thinks she's doing the right thing while not truly realizing she's caught up in protecting herself more than her son. At the same time, I get why this happens because her son has been the most important part of her life. In some ways, I do feel proud that she's being firm about not going back to the past, but, in order to truly do that, she needs to plan for the best possible future for Pil-gu.

The thing is, we can judge Jong-ryeol for not being with his daughter much, but he did just discover that he missed so much of his son's life and is trying to make up for it. Still, that he can easily talk about leaving her for good...that does concern me and highlights that he hasn't truly grown yet. Protecting/having relationships with both his children should be his priority, not leaving one for the other.

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The money part.....she doesn't

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I don't think the killer likes cats. I think we will find out he is poisoning them. Several clues point that way.

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Twice we've seen a close up of what YS is reading about psycho-paths. I can't read Korean except to sound it out painfully slowly, but I am pretty sure both times included something about how they hate animals and/or torture them. I'd love a translation of all the psychopath material shown on screen because I am sure there's got to be another clue there.

Once or twice people have commented that it's weird that somebody keeps feeding the cats when they don't really see that many cats around (they need to reverse that realize they don't see many cats around *because* of what somebody is feeding them).

And YS commented that the cat food was weird and asked if cat food is always shaped like that (I think triangles?). He was abruptly interrupted and distracted from that train of thought, which was another clue to viewers that he should have followed up on it. My guess is rat poison.

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Yes @dhmrs, I think those clues about the cats will be important to solve that mystery. I believe that is poison too. For one or another reason everytime Yong Shik gets curious about the cats food, he gets interrupted, so he didn't really have a chance yet to analyze it

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Love love love Yong-shik and how supportive he is. On the other hand I'm ready to throw Jong-ryeol off a cliff. He still doesn't get it: why Dong-baek left, why she faked not being pregnant, why she doesn't want him around. Everything is all about him and what he thinks is best. He still hasn't matured and needs to quit criticizing Dong-baek and her life. And Dong-baek seems like she is finally ready to take charge of her life instead of just running. Good for her!

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I think or hope that he will get it, as his heart is in the right place. He certainly seems to be searching for deeper meaning in his life, since achieving the Fame that his sports abilities have given him. I don't know why anyone would ever criticize DB and her life, she has done so well, under the circumstances. Glad she is starting to see it too and becoming more vocal than she has been.

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I know most everybody here really dislikes Jung Ryeol but consider for a moment other ways he could have reacted to the news that he is Pil Gu's father. I think Jung Ryeol just simply doe not know what to do even though he wants desperately to do what's right. He doesn't know what "right" is. He is filled with grief. He was likely raised in a male dominate culture (most of us are) and probably doesn't realize how self centered he is. We all realize that Yong Shik is the person who gives Dong Baek the strength she needs but in all honesty, meeting Jung Ryeol again has helped with that because she realizes that he is not what she wants. Over all my years I have seen a lot of poor excuses for parents and fathers that don't hold a candle to Jung Ryeol. There is so much abuse and neglect and mistreatment in this world that I just can't bash Jung Ryeol for his parenting efforts, even though they are awkward and fall short. He is trying hard and that touches my heart.

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I agree it touches my heart too. I think both male leads can be great Dads for PilGu. It would be nice to show from no Dad to be able to have two " Dads" or father figures who help give PilGu guidance, support, love and affection, from a male perspective, though DB has done an outstanding job of raising him as a single mother. With their presence in his life, he can let go and enjoy his childhood a bit more.

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Pil-gu is going to take control of the situation soon. He loves his mom above all else, so it makes sense he'll feel the need to be on her side no questions asked. But I do feel like Jong-ryeol is already on his way to winning him over this week.

I want him to decide it's okay to reconnect with his dad, but also realize how happy Yong-shik makes his mom and tell his dad to leave them alone. You know once he decides what he wants he'll be in complete control of this situation.

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I could see both the male leads being a part of his life, as each can bring something different to the table, so to speak. After not having any male figures to relate to, this would be cool. He already has great, loving support from his mom so this would be added icing on the cake.

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Agree, it's frustrate me that none of them realize that, they don't have to be together to be PilGu's parents.

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From a practical point of view, Jong-ryeol is not registered as Pilgu's father. If Dongbaek marries someone else, they will automatically become Pilgu's dad in the official record and Jong-ryeol will have no parental rights. He wants Dongbaek to take him back so he can officially become Pilgu's dad without affecting his career by publicly admitting that he had an illegitimate son.

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It is frustrating. As an American I'm like "Please just figure out how to co-parent for Pilgu's sake" but I realize it's a lot more complicated than that in South Korean society.

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I don't understand how Jong-ryeol could have so much important stuff to say this episode...but somehow thought it not important to mention Hyang-mi blackmailing him? I'd have thought that would be of great concern to him. Dong-baek would wise up fast if she heard that Hyang-mi was using their son...

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I know, I really dislike how Hyang-mi is doing that. It shows a really dark side to her, using DB/PilGu in that way or dragging them into her schemes after they have only have shown her kindness. By blackmailing JR she drags them into her world. I hope this doesn't go too far. Though the American in me says...so what, what's the big deal but in Korean society or in this storyline, it would be a big deal.

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I do think the blackmail is of great concern to Jong Ryeol but, I believe he already told Dong Baek that he was willing to give up everything for her and Pil Gu to come to him. If that is true, then the blackmail is practically irrelevant as he would willingly give up everything the blackmail will take away. Hyang-mi is so bad. I think this story intends to have Dong-baek save Hyang-mi from her evil self, but I just think she's too innately evil.

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Yeah, he is lip service. He is not going to give up anything. That is why he wants to send them to Boston.

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I doubt he would give anything up. He has mentioned a few times for DB to "give me some time to sort things out". Isn't that what we usually hear from men who wants a mistress but still has a wife, but don't have the guts to divorce their wives?

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Now DB needs to use some of that strength to have a serious talk with Pil gu because that relationship is becoming just like JR's and his mother. No kid should have that much power over his mother's dating someone. If Yong-shik was just a horrible human being that is something I can get. He just wants DB to himself and that makes him his father's son in that he is completely selfish and entitled.

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I agree. Pil Gu should not be in complete control of the lives of his parents and their partners. I felt the same way about how Pil Gu seems to be nurtured in a culture where he, a child of 8, is given control and allowed to be self centered and entitled. There is a fine line between empowering a kid to take control of their own life and giving a kid unearned power and control over other people's lives.

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Yes. I thought it could be a cultural thing, but definitely got that feeling about Pil Gu being so entitled, and with that power of decision on his mom's life.
A little bit annoying sometimes, to be honest. But again, it could be just a cultural difference

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Just here to say ~ sweetest kiss scene I’ve seen in a long while ~ Yong Shik and Dongbaek have my sister, my mom, and I all squealing (it’s hard to get us all onboard for a show, so to my mind that says something for Camellia ~)

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It's pretty interesting how the story develops and some things like being a single mom or having a child outside the marriage can impact the image of a person, in the context of the Korean society.
From an American perspective, I would expect to see Jong Ryeol (now that he found out that he has a son) to start co parenting with Dongbaek, assuming his role as a father of Pil Gu, and not necessarily having to get back together.
BUT this is a complete different situation, developed in a different society, which definitely makes things a little more complicated for the characters. And I find it interesting.

I really enjoy the scenes with Ja Young! I wish she could have more lines in the show. It's a pity that she has that bad man as a husband.

Oh and THE KISS! I didn't expect it to happen yet, and it was lovely! I am loving the Yong Shik - Dongbaek couple

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If he just wanted to co-parent they could probably work something out. But he wants the whole package. He's trying to use that connection to make judgements (based on His standards) on her life and how she should live it.

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The joker is poisoning all the cats I bet. If the joker isn’t the handyman guy, it’s the sheriff dude. The one right in front of your face that everyone trusts. Also, I get that JR was not the perfect boyfriend, but DB stuck around as long as she did without saying a word about it, then deprived him of the right to know his son even existed. While he may act like a bull in a china shop, and step a little bit out of line with some of his antics, DB is out of line when she asserts that PJ is her son only. She has no right to demand that JR stay out of his child’s life. The only reason he just met his son, was because he just found out he existed. (Her actions are not automatically justified because she is a woman. She really made some questionable choices) I think they both need to get their act together and do what is best for their son, which is put on their big boy pants and learn how to peacefully co parent their child. YS is great, but just a new boyfriend at this point. HE is the one who needs to stay out of it until DB Nd JR sort out their relationship going foreword.
Also, has anyone considered that the body might be JR wife Jessica?)
That would be crazy.

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Totally agree. As much as I like the Dongbaek - Yong Shik couple; I think Dongbaek should prioritize what's best for her son. Now we saw what happened in the past and that she decided to hide the fact she was expecting. Ok...but now she has an 8 year old boy to take care of, and now he knows who is his father.
I feel like that sometimes Yong Shik is in the middle of that, because of course he is starting a relationship with Dongbaek, but he should just stay out of it, even if he gets jealous of Jong Ryeol sometimes, as he thinks that Dongbaek should not be having a one to one conversation with her ex (To talk about the child they have in common!!).
Jong Ryeol might not be the perfect man, but he is Pil Gu's father, and I think he has every right to be with his son, and seems like he really wants to make it up for the time he has not been there for him.
They definitely could start co parenting ASAP, they don't need to live together or being married.
Here is where I don't know how things are in the Korean society. What may be an obvious thing to me, over there might not be the same. Maybe it's not that common to get divorced and co parenting?

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Yes! I am all for DB moving on from JR as a mate if that is what she wants, bu I just don’t get the hostility toward him? Why is he a “jerk”? But DB gets a pass for walking out on him while pregnant with his baby without saying a word? Nothing I saw that happened in the past justifies her actions. He did a lot of stupid stuff, but he wasn’t cold or abusive. She could have at least said something about her unhappiness and taken him to task on his behavior. I get that she had low self worth but how is that JR’s fault, or his problem to “fix” for her. It was pride, plain and simple. She lived with him for 10 years without demanding a proper marriage or status as a partner. Then she ran off with his kid, and then partly blames him for being alone and their lives being difficult when let’s face it. They didn’t have to be. Now he is bending over backward to know and claim his son. He also never stopped loving her, and is trying to reconnect with her as a family. He is still married, so I don’t agree with this.. but why is he a jerk for giving her money, and trying to move them to a better situation where they will live comfortably without the stigma of being an “illegitimate” family? Sure it’s misguided, but he is trying his best in the situation.

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I think it's the sheriff too. In some scenes with YS, the camera sort of cut the sheriff's face or he turned his face away, so we couldn't see his facial expression

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Love that kiss scene!! Yong shik/Kang ha neul is sooo adorable in this drama! I Love it!! I'm also glad that dongbaek is slowly getting stronger. I think heung shik might be the joker. He's someone everyone knows and he's even the person that cleans the abandoned building that yongshik was trying to find out about! The cat food is an interesting side. Like the chief and YS mentioned psychopaths kill animals also before they kill humans. Saw that a lot in criminal minds. That's probably why there are lures everywhere and so little cats around as YS observed. A little relieved to see the little ending Flash forward At the end of next 2 episodes.

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I think the Joker is one of the policemen at the station. I've had this hunch since one earlier episodes when YS said somethg abt someone not helping him paint the wall. They all hang out together, but we've nvr really "seen" any of them interact with DB. Also have to say that I wish I understood Hyang Mi character a bit more. Sometimes she seems nice, when she talks to DB, or interacts with Pil-gu, but what' s with blackmailing JR and exposing DB and Pil-Gu that way? I wish I better understood her motivations.. am confused with the Mom too and her role in the story. Is she a villain? Or is this her redemption arc? Anyways, strangely enough am very much interested in finding out who the Joker is. Feels like an Agatha Christie novel 😅

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That's a good theory. A policeman could be the Joker: He is a local guy, he is a customer of Camellia, but he doesn't really interact with Dongbaek much.

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So whoever is the joker is allergic to cats. They know that they will start coughing from the allergic reaction to it and then DB will recognize their cough. That is why the joker is so desperate to kill all the cats or dogs. Not sure what animal food it is. Very creepy.

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This drama gives me all sorts of feels. Yong - Shik is going down as my all time fave hero. I have watched a lot of romcoms and I think Yong-Shik is the only one who is kind to the heroine from the start. He doesn't treat her like crap only to fall in love and then start being nice. He believes in Dong-Baek, allows her to make choices. And above all he doesnt hide his feelings. He is adorable when he is bursting with joy when Dong-Baek does something for him. I just want to pack him up and take him home :-). Coming to the kiss which I was waiting for, I love how it was done, Yong-Shik turning all serious 'You kissed me first' and he swoops in. I was smiling from ear to ear. I am totally loving these two. When the Camellia blooms is definitely my 2019 kdrama of the the year and this has got nothing to do with Gong Hyo Jin being my favourite romcom actress.

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