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Team Dramabeans: What we’re watching

So, what are we all watching this week?

What kept you reaching for more (or agonizing when there was no more), and what made you want to throw your remote through the screen? Time to weigh in…

 

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When the Camellia Blooms: I’ve been loving pretty much every episode of Camellia so far, until this week. There were lots of fun moments and moving scenes, but there was so much that felt like filler. Apart from that, my biggest frustration was with Dong-baek’s all or nothing approach to parenting Pil-gu with Jong-ryeol. This has been bothering me for a while, and I’m aware of the cultural norms behind this, but if you’re a drama why not be bold and write a narrative that could break norms? Jong-ryeol is not one of my favorite characters, but despite his jerk qualities, he really does seem to be trying to be a good dad. As things stand, it feels unfair to Pil-gu to be faced with an either/or choice between his mom and dad. I’m not even saying Pil-gu should split his time evenly with the both of them, I think simple things like weekend afternoons together would be a great start.

 

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Tale of Nokdu: That chase and goodbye scene at the end… how can angst be so good and gorgeous at the same time? When Nokdu was crying and letting Dong-joo go, while Dong-joo was also sobbing and her feet have no choice but to run away, even while she keeps turning back to him. HEART. BREAAAAK. I almost wish they extended the “I will assassinate the man you’ve sworn to protect” misunderstanding a bit longer just so I can shout explanations at the screen some more for them to just work together or run away (it’s good therapy, try it). But I have to admit, I’ll sacrifice a bit of delicious drama in exchange for a good pace, and the show is balancing both well. The show has also done a great job of turning the king into a fascinating character. Remember weeks ago when we couldn’t care less about what’s happening in the palace? Now I’m glued to the dynamics between everyone. I was hoping Nokdu and Dong-joo’s influence can help the king find peace even without his throne but he keeps doing hurty-hurty things to the people who are loyal to him. Forget peace, he doesn’t deserve it now. I can’t wait for him to realize that his last anchor to humanity, Nokdu, is actually planning to betray him. From fakecest to regicide to bromancide to patricide… this show is filling up my Angst Bingo Card super quick.

Pegasus Market: Last Saturday’s episode had such a comforting intro which turned me into a sobbing mess once they revealed how Suk-goo has been living all this time. T__T I also feel bad for Jung Bok-dong when he had to give up his plans of taking down Daema Group because people like Suk-goo work so hard and so earnestly for it. But that’s the difference between Bok-dong and the chairman. Bok-dong can’t stomach to ignore or destroy someone else’s dream just to achieve his personal goals. I don’t think Suk-goo will be happy in Daema Group though. It’s just a goal he ran towards based on his mother’s words. I’m sure what she meant was for him to feel secure, fulfilled, and happy at work. Can’t the Pegasus gang just break away from Daema Group and run their own quirkly little neighborhood mart? With the weekly song and dance numbers? (Also, how hilarious is it that no matter what the scene is, there’s always a customer or two in the background pushing the eco-powered door? This show’s dedication to its own gags deserves an award. Hee~)

Law of the Jungle: You know how your brain sometimes stores trivia that doesn’t matter that much, until something happens to you and that piece of info suddenly becomes super important? I’ve been crushing on Lee Da-hee’s Scarlet since my WWW marathon. So I ran to twitter because I vaguely recall someone mentioning months ago how Lee Da-hee was awesome in a certain variety show. Well, Law of the Jungle was that show. I checked out her episodes and she’s such an inspiring, hyper ball of positive energy. (Just don’t get between her and dinner.) But the great thing about this is, I actually like these kinds of survive outside the city, cook whatever is there shows. It’s like a more dangerous Family Outing. I’ve only seen the show’s main survivalist, Kim Byung-man, in variety talk shows as a funny strongman. But he truly shines and inspires his teammates with his work ethic in Law of the Jungle. And I’m learning so much while watching the show. I’m sure the shelter-building skills will come in handy when if I decide to forgo the comforts of internet, K-drama, and fastfood delivery to live in a deserted island. TL;DR I’ve fallen into a giant LOTJ-shaped hole and I have 8 years’ worth of episodes to catch up on, so… *disappears for a long while*

 
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JAPAN

IF TALKING PAID - 8.5 out of 10 . wow for straight 5 weeks - ohh Mitsuru. New successful entrepreneur Female's entry has made things quite spicy. So now we have Sister+niece+new female and slightly Mother VS. Mitsuru. Brother-in-Law is getting more active too.

Marigold in 4 Minutes - 7.5 out of 10 for 1st episode. I was more excited and i think that played a role in bringing down my enthusiasm. Good Introduction episode you can say. I wanted things a bit more rapid and fast. Overall decent 1st episode.
The way a Japanese Drama delivers last 5 minutes of an episode and the way a Jdorama provides crucial information is what makes those 5 minutes impactful, so impactful that sometimes they take over the whole episode which i think happened here.

Incest always brings new level of drama and I'm ready for it. Not for bigots and facemasks. They can try if ready to get over their prejudices and hateful emotions.

You and I on G-String - 7 out fo 10. I'm far behind. too busy buti think that upcoming music movie has much more at stake. This show has a lot more romance drama that i had expected but still far better watch than any of kdrama out there(airing or completed)

Eat and Sleep at Camp - 8 out of 10 - far more enjoyable than the title it make it out for you. Simple slice of life peaceful. Such a nice drama.

Grand Maison Tokyo - 7/10 - nothing new, nothing special. Same dramatic actions and events YET quite entertaining. Once you get into the show then you really get into it. Kimura Takuya is as usual so i won't say much about acting of anyone.

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Korea - Reduced most shows ratings by 1-1.5 and almost all are below 4.5 now.

December - This year i'm completing everything tasting dust desktop. Clean up.

Heale - 4/10 Ep 17 and half - 2 and half ep before 20 Dec

Fated - 3/10 19 and half - 1 and half left . before 20 Dec.

Wagebond - today - 3/10
Falling for Innocence - 4/10 - Nonsensical trash. not only b/c of that health condition, also for everything else happens and how easily things are worked out. Clearly my views don't match with majority. Its a below avg. typical koren romance. I had low expectations to begin with and i stand corrected once more. Thankfully i reduced 16hours viewing into 6-8hour. saved huge time.

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Why do you watch k-dramas, Catocat?

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So he has an excuse to be here?

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Why does he want to be here?

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Because, @mindy, there's no popular website where you can talk about Japanese drama.

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There's no Wagebond episode today or yesterday or this week. How can you rate an episode that does not exist?

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note that all comments get ignored. He is in his own world.

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China + Taiwan + Movies

The Greatest Game Ever played - 6.5/10 yeah yeah old hollywood movie. Typical HW biography sentimental drama with happy ending. Still it has its own shiny moments. Enjoyed it.

The lost Space - half watched so far i like it.

My Dear - T - beifern looks good but rest is meh. dropped 3/10 You watch media for story. not for facepainted pretty faces.

Why not get drunk - CN - usual Chinese romance porn trash. 2/10

The last Wish - CN movie - non-adult adult comedy. won't make you laugh. almost garbage. 3/10

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@sancheezy I know you aren't active for long while but like last time the way your near ones had let you know i hope they will let you know again and i'm sure you will get this information within week yourself without any effort.

19 nov release of Oregairu is already leaked with spoilers.
and wow what an outcome. quite quite predictable but still such a big moment. 2 years of delay reduced the enthusiasm a lot but still watching smiles of best girls is enough of lottery of 2019. Heart is all bittersweet now. waiting for spring 2020 anime release.

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Finally, Miss Lee has ended its run! Things were wrapped up quite nicely. Glad there's no romance, else it would seem forced.

I'm enjoying New Journey To The West Season 7!

I caught some KBS Drama Special episodes. The Tuna & The Dolphin has Lee Do Hwa from Extraordinary You! Also, Rural Outcasts is quite nice too.

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Currently Airing

EXTRAORDINARY YOU: I’m pretty behind (been quite busy lately), but this is still so cute to watch. Yes, even after seeing all the spoilers on the beanie wall! (ep. 17)

TALE OF NOKDU: Extremely behind on this one. I actually lost interest after seeing people saying that they though it would get pretty dark in a few episodes. But so far, it’s still fun. Hopefully it won’t become too angst-ridden in the next episodes. (ep. 9)

Finished Airing

1% OF ANYTHING: Definitely a classic rom-feel. It has some tropes that aren’t great for modern viewers (controlling male lead and wrist grabs), but it’s surprisingly easy enough to turn my brain off when watching this drama. (ep. 2)

Non-Korean Dramas

HISTORY3: MAKE OUR DAYS COUNT: I had read not-so-great reviews on this drama, but I still somehow ended up binging this. Don’t accept anything grand. But there are some great friendships. And it’s kind of nice to see a male lead who turns out to be a giant dork. What I think this drama does especially well, is having the characters act their age. They are definitely flawed and vulnerable. I don’t think it will be an easy road for both couples, but it’s going to be so fun to see them grow and mature. (ep. 1-8)

UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN THE SERIES: This drama starts with a bang (literally) in a roll-your-eyes-so-hard-they-hurt Rome x Juliet style double suicide. BUT I am weak for fanfic style plots. (This one involves the red string of fate and past lives, though it looks to be metaphorical for the former.) Our leads haven’t officially met in the present timeline, but there does still seem to be some chemistry there already. Our of all the dramas I’m watching, this one may be the one I’m most excited to see play out. (ep. 1)

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1% of ANYTHING was so popular that it was remade in 2016 as 1% of SOMETHING. Both were great, and if I like the second slightly better it is mostly because of the improved production values. But what is unique about this story is the way it breaks some of the Tsundere Chaebol-ordinary girl tropes. Our girl is not only not interested in being Cinderella, she is also someone of strong character who absolutely will not let the arrogant young chaebol push her around. She does have a kind heart but she also has a strong will. This is what Grandfather Chaebol saw when he chose her to be the wife of his grandson. Indeed, when the couple is out on their blind date the Grandfather's assistant speculates as to how it is going and the grandfather says something like "She has probably reduced him to helpless mush by now" (spoken with a satisfied smile).

How does grandfather know this? Because our girl is just like the dearly departed grandmother- and the grandfather understands that his grandson is just like him (which is why they are constantly at loggerheads).

This is a difference from most Rich Boy - Poor Girl stories where the couple has to overcome the family's objections- in this story it is the head of the family who is pulling strings to make this marriage happen.

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I've watched both versions of 1% of Anything/Something and I agree with @nightmoon's "classic romcom" designation and @oldlawyer's assessment of the 2016 FL's strengths. Can we also give props to the gloriously wretched second FL? She was classic in that jealous, scheming date rapey, bonkers 2nd FL way you don't see so much in non-makjang romances.

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The second female lead really did add a lot to the show.

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One is my favourite scenes was when the FL phoned the ML to come over and deal with SFL's nonsense and SFL tried to run away. FL not only blocked her escape, she made the ML choose between them. 😂You rarely see that in dramas.

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That is truly my fav scene. I Rewatched that so many times. Like, "There! I'm not fighting over a man. If he wants you, we'll him over, he'll pick and I'll be on my merry way being an awesome teacher and great woman."

Loved it!

And you're right: so rare!

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I didn't realize that the 1% of something is a remade of a classic. I wonder if thats the reason why the styling of the drama feels retro eventho it's 2016 production?
Nonetheless, I enjoyed watching the drama. The leads have such great chemistry together making the usual drama tropes easily digestable.

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I recently binged watch this drama. It's a remake in the sense of plotlines, but unfortunately not in the sense of timeline. They were using current smartphones. I think the stylists were just off.

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Extraordinary You. Until now, I always admire Hye Yoon portraying Danoh. A future actrees. I enjoy every episode of this drama, even tho sometimes I am not comfortable with Baekyung character, sometimes he's too annoying. But hopefully the writer makes the ending good. Ps: I havent read the webtoon yet.

When the Camellia Blooms. This week is so hard. I cannot not cry watching Dongbaek and Youngsik break-up. It's so saaaaaad. I cried a lot.
Surprise ending please... just like how surprise we are seeing the adult version of Pilgu :)

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I checked No Second Chances, mainly because of the actors. And yes, it's ff through some makjang setup and family comedy... but... every scene with Kwak Dong Yeon is gold! (And, hahaha, his early misconception about the baby 😁😁). If I managed Shall We Live Together for Kim Kwon perhaps I will manage this one as well for KDY? 🙂

I also checked Failing in Love and for a high school webdrama with greenish actors it actually is not bad. The clueless Male Lead is funny... but so far my favourite character probably is his Friend.

With all those checkings... no time for Camellia 😢

Always time for Extraordinary 🙂
And this week's episodes finally had again some of the thrill of the early episodes. Namjoo is tragic with his oblivion and repetitive lines. And Baek Kyung is tragic with his awareness (and knowing the real feelings of others) and slow remembering of the past manhwa (kudos to Lee Jae Wook and his portrayal of conflicted Baek Kyung... and Baek Kyung's painful awareness OnStage). Which state is worse??
Though... for me... the most impact still had the scenes with Jooda and Dohwa...

PS Heard that King's Avatar will get second season!! 😍

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I laughed so hard at Kwak Dong Yeon's scenes. I never knew he could do 'funny' too! Will add that to the list of his skills.

But they're going to have to time-skip at some point, right? Because Park Se Wan's character's husband only died a week ago...

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Maybe the time flows differently here... have you seen the 1week-old baby?? 😆

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From the currently airing dramas I only watch Tale of Nokdu which is heading into a full sageuk territory. I kind of thought we we’d get a light fusion rom-com and I’m not too happy with were we’re going with the story. I have to say I enjoyed it more when Nokdu pretended to be a widow. Also the male second lead’s (Yool Moo) eyeshadows are very distracting.

From the completed dramas I finished Dazzling/The Light In Your Eyes which left me crying the whole night and contemplating my life. What a gem of the drama. That kind of drama that both kills you and heals you. Especially the last episode totally broke me and I was sobbing during the whole episode. I can’t imagine how hard it must’ve been for her to keep living after she lost her husband. She never remarried even though she was so young. And when she started losing her mind and memory and her disease worsened, she desperately held onto those last memories of her love that ended too soon. How will I ever get over this drama?

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... I cried buckets...

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Dazzling will do that.

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Re Nokdu, I knew it would happen because sageuks can't help themselves. Still the first half was so much fun I was hoping against hope that this time they wouldn't.

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Flower Crew went less sageuk at the end.

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Hahaha you have nailed it, the eyeshadow of YM is really really distracting. His acting gets better as a villain. I don’t like him at the beginning and thought he cannot act. Now he is more acceptable except for the eyeshadow.

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Pegasus Market (Episode 8)
Just when you least expected it, the show pulls the rug under you with that emotional reveal that Seok Goo’s mother is a figment of Seok Goo’s imagination that he conjures to accompany himself in his own loneliness. Even if you expected it as a seasoned drama watcher (the clues were there from the start), this development comes three-fold as Seok Goo has finally found some comfort in the family that Bok Dong has built at the mart as well as one great friend in Mi Ran (I wouldn’t mind a romance though!). The comedy is there as well: I cracked up when Mi Ran carried the drunk Seok Goo.

Extraordinary You (Episode 25-28)
‘I don’t care how you feel’: this just encapsulates Baek Kyung as a character so well that it is becoming annoying when he disturbs all the self-aware characters (sans Joo Da but only Do Hwa knows as of now). I find the other love story of Joo Da and Do Hwa more interesting at this stage because they are all fighting against the writer and not against each other. I do wonder why Joo Da’s self-awareness came so late: maybe if Haru and Dan Oh paired up with Secret’s main leads they might have achieved a change they could never do in Flower. Will we see the real Nam Joo ever (poor guy)?

Tale of Nokdu (Episode 23-26)
It’s that time of the show where secrets are painfully revealed: one episode where Dong Joo finds out Nok Du’s secret, with another one where Nok Du finds out Dong Joo’s secret. I had a teeny bit of hope of zero noble idiocy after Nok Du decided to keep the love going but then of course Dong Joo decided to go ahead with it. I find it really stupid that they are not sharing info with each other because they actually are on the same side but think they are not, also, the King’s decision to kill young Nok Du was based on a lame prophecy (yawn). Yul Moo is also left as a cliche power-hungry guy.

Melting Me Softly (Episode 13-14)
The writers have indeed outdone themselves trying to write all the possible obstacles for our main couple: an assassin chasing after them (like yeah we couldn’t see that police disguise coming from a mile away, also, the poor actor being typecast must be so sick of being the killer even it rolls in the dough), family disapproval, ex-girlfriend issues, that cure which isn’t working (I LOLed at the cliffhanger when Dong Chan started flailing: poor Ji Chang Wook doing his best to save the show) and something worse next week (okay I made the last one up but who knows with the writers?).

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This episode of PEGASUS MARKET suggests that Mi-ram is now actively planning their courtship (planning what they are going to be eating in each future season). And I too cracked up at the sight of her carrying Seo-goo- which then set us all up for that punch in the gut reveal that his mother has been dead for a long time. That show is an emotional rollercoaster.

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Mi Ran wins for the best fireman carry of 2019!

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Tale of Nokdu Still not convinced by the plot and now our couple is separated >_< I'm curious why they added Yulmo to the original story, because his character is not very well written.

Catch the Ghost They should just take care of thieves and not more serious crime because the way they handle the victims is very scary.

Extraordinary You This drama is killing me. I never know what will happen! I just want Danoh to live and be happy with Haru! I really like the lessons in classroom, they always are connected to the story.

Secret Boutique I'm so disapointed by Jenny Jang and Sun-Woo! They put Lee Hyun-Ji in prison, failed to save her mother and none of them had the courage to talk to her... I can't care for Jenny's revenge if she destroyed innocent lifes for it.

Beautiful Love, Wonderful Life I just watch it for the young couple, they're the cutest and the only good people (with Yoon Park).

No Second Chances Only for Kwak Dong Yeon for now.

My Country: The New Age The fight scenes are so good!

The Lies Within Nooo! The last scene was so sad :(

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The Tale of Nokdu: Well, the angst has hit hard but at least it can't drag on and on like some dramas.

When the Camellia Blooms: Pil Gu has so often been the mature one that it was easy to forget that he's a child with a child's emotions. But the Ongsan Avengers! And Gyu Tae's lie detector confession and new passion for police work!

My Country: Sigh. I'm just watching for Bang Won and his fan at this point. I just can't with the others anymore.

Pegasus Market: Manager Moon's revolt haha. But nothing can top the song in the cabbage field.

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That whole scene in the cabbage field was just so wonderful. But the opera was the icing on the cake! And Bok-dong going off the rails for awhile and then he shows up with the bottles wrapped around his head and flames in his eyes.
I just can't with this show... there are no words to describe how much I LOVE it!

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Currently airing:
1. My Country: I was dreading the previous episodes but am anticipating the next one now. So much awesome acting in show. I cried so much watching this drama but it seems I'm not done yet.

2. Catch the ghost : Liking the Yoo Ryung more and more now but everytime she cries I cry. But poor Ji Seok. There's more and more depth in this show now. But I hope the funny and cute continues. Nokdu's Yul Mu twist is making me not trust second male leads now.

3. The tale of Nokdu: I don't feel any sympathy for the King anymore. Also want a happy ending for this show.

4. Extraordinary You: Now it's this show I am dreading. I am loosing hope and even patience for this show. Haven't seen this week's episodes yet. Just give me some answers and a happy ending show please.

5. Miss Lee: Didn't even realize it was the last week. It was slow and not my kind of thing but I still enjoyed it a little. It ended satisfactorily. My second kdrama where the wasn't any Romance. (I will count Squad 38 as the first cause despite having a love interest in there, there wasn't much of a Romance).

6. Vagabond: Getting a little bored by this. Also impatient as no episode this week. I don't think Hae Ri is Samael cause it doesn't make sense to me. If she were it would be a weird twist. Then again it's Vagabond I am talking about.

7. Melting me softly: Thank Goodness only two episodes left. I'm just too impatient to finish it now.

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Other Shows: Had to put What happens to my family on hold and I'm still near the end of episode 3 cause of my Wifi problem. I have many shows on my phone but didn't get around to watching any. And yet I haven't finished watching or tried to finish watching Queen of Mystery 2. Still stuck where I stopped with it before I started live watching.

Instead I started watching Introverted Boss a few days ago cause I wanted to watch something light also because I am an introvert myself. But it seems from the comments that it might disappoint me. It has the most irritating Female Lead along with Ji Eun Tak that I have encountered in a Kdrama. But maybe she will be less irritating now I am hoping. I just started episode 6. I am still going to watch this cause I find the Male Lead relatable despite his introversion being extreme. His overthinking and being uncomfortable in front of people is so relatable it literally hurts.

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Queen of Mystery 2: don't bother going back. You're welcome. Seriously. I have erased it from brain in order to not taint the first season with my rage at is stupidness.

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It always amazes me how a really successful season 1 can be followed by such a disappointing season 2.

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Isn't there any drama with a season 2 that doesn't disappoint?

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@amy1009, Partners in Justice.

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@amy1009 I remember a Vampire Prosecutor 2 and we being left hanging....

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So just imaging what Arsedal 2 will be like :)

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uuumm, lets' not try to imagine the next season of Arsedal.....

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@amy1009

I love both season 1 and 2 of AGE of YOUTH.

Fingers crossed for FOREST of SECRETS 2 and SIGNAL 2.

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Honestly, the final few episodes of Queen of Mystery 1 were actually.... not good.

The thing about Queen of Mystery 2 is that it wasn't just a stupid drama, it was all over the place in a way I couldn't get a handle on. The writing, the pacing, the characterisation, what they chose to focus on was just... weird. Even the direction was weird. The whole thing was weird in a way that leaves me without any other word but "weird".

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@lordcobol and @stpauligurl Never watched Arthdal anyway. So that isn't a problem. Besides there might not be another season what what I have read about it. I won't be taking that risk anytime soon.

Same about Vampire Prosecutor. Though I thought about watching Vampire Prosecutor when I watched Vampire Detective but that was disappointing and I didn't want to be more disappointed. @cheekbones

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Here's another theory about Scarf Haeri in Vagabond ep 1:
After the plane crash was solved, Dalgun went back to stuntman work and upgraded to stunt actor. The first Dalgun Sniper scene is his movie set. Haeri is a cameo actress. Dalgun was shocked because he didn't expect to see Haeri as an actress.

With this theory....Haeri is not Samael 😆. Hahaha

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Ooorrr... like you said in your previous theory, he did join the real mercenaries and was sent to kill Samael, the mob boss, but surprised to see Haeri as mob boss mrs instead. Oh, the heart break. No more high fives.....

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Hae-ri is a target beacon. When the bad guys use body doubles and extra identical vehicles going off in multiple directions, one technique is to attach a beacon to the real target. In this case, a femme fatale known as GHR.

CDG is off trying to kill bad guys, all he knows is there’s a villain in the car. He doesn’t know GHR is the target beacon.

The real villain is still in the car. He isn’t dumb enough to get out of the car in a kill zone.

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Heh, Suzy isn't a femme fatale, she's usually goofy and is actually best when being a bit silly. That said, from what I remember from the first episode, she definitely looked like a femme fatale getting out of the car as a target.

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I found myself starting Ashes of Love on a whim yesterday after finishing the novel (and am already on the 10th eps, which I blamed on how binge-able chinese drama is). Yang Zi is super cute and she managed to make the heroine so much more endearing and lovable instead of frustration-inducing like what I felt in the first half of the novel. The romance is swoony (Phoenix!! 😍😍), though I'm impatiently waiting for the storm of angst to start in earnest. It's a perfect addictive watch while I'm waiting for My Country to finish airing so I can finally binge it.

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Bring the FF button ready for Ashes of Love because this show drags the plot like there is no tomorrow :D but it's addictive nontheless.

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Thankfully the novel has prepared me for the super long angst-filled journey. As long as the characters and romance stay compelling, I'm all aboard. 😄

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Never Twice/No Second Chances - actually pretty good...single mother with newborn and obligatory Harvard chaebol OTP. Baby is super cute & Kwak Dong Yeon is great as the jump-to-conclusions chaebol

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He does jump to conclusions, doesn’t he? All of them wrong, too...

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No Vagabond this week due to baseball. *boooo*

I watched the 350th ep of Grey's Anatomy. Despite all it's cheese and over-the-topness...it is addictive, a guilty pleasure.

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Haha

The death of Shepard's surgeon was pretty weird, Amelia kinda forgot she had a huge tumor too and she's neurosurgeon too :p

But it was nice to see all the doctors together once :)

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Yay another GA watcher! The ex-patients scene was so dramatic but it was nice to see many supporting Meredith. I don't get why they seem to want to pin Schmitt though. I say he did the right thing to report medical insurance fraud.

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He couldn't lie neither... Dr Grey is not angry against him, so it's stupid the others are...

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Same @stroopwafel, same, I don't like how the writers handle this, and I hated when DB demanded that PilGu choose between her and JR that such a jerk move for a parent, verging on emotional abuse.

SECRET BOUTIQUE I felt for HyeJin, in the end she was used by people she trusted and I don't see how the show can come back from there.
NO SECOND CHANCES, it's less corny than premiere week, but I still watch it only for Kwak Dong Yeon and Park Sewan.
I finished cdrama THE WORLD OWES ME MY FIRST LOVE, it was somehow cute and have Bai Lu as FL but at the end the power dynamic between main couple was exhausting.
TALE OF NOKDU and EXTRAORDINARY YOU were meh for me this week, nothing to write about really.

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Pegasus Market
Oh @Mary, i also love the eco powered door!!!! I find it so funny that people fall for it!
And yes, I cried as well with last episode. I am finally watching this drama, beanies!!!!!!!🎉🎇🎆
Sad because it is only once a week, but... there is hardly something I don't love about it. Even the Baddies are fun to watch.

Miss Lee
I managed to watch until ep 15. Now I am left with the final episode and overall I can say I like this drama. I am not crazy about it, but I like it.
And I think Hyeri did a good job with miss Lee. She is a unique character I think, because she is not the typical damsel in distress or sleeping beauty. She is not even that smart... She is just herself, and I feel like those in the drama and we, the audience, have learned to appreciate her slowly but earnestly.

Chinese drama:
The world owes me a first love
This one I already finished it and it was a cool watching the FL not a pushover, the ML not a jerk... nice secondary characters. Easy....

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It was Lord Cobol who suggested that it is impossible to film more than one episode per week of PEGASUS MARKET due to all of the lost production time spent by laughter on the set.

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LOL!!!!!! And also, they are always singing and dancing. It takes time to practice!!!!

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You are right, of course, that would add time to production. But the singing and dancing adds a lot to this show.

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I watched Miss Lee mostly because I'm a big Hyeri fan. The show seemed a bit like Misaeng in some ways, with much more backstabbing of course. But I didn't hate the show, it just seemed to be such a continuous struggle. The victories seemed hollow at first, as they were mostly due to someone's sacrifice instead of a real success at the company.

Still, I got my satisfaction in the end, although I would have loved to see more visual success for her character, i.e., paying off her loans, seeing her stock go up, becoming wealthy and having her brother-in-law grovel to her big time. They didn't show that and I would have loved to see it =P

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Me too... This drama needed at least 10 to 15 minutes more. I am not asking much... It would have been great to see more of her "present" as a CEO.
Now, tell me something... is it my crazy idea or there was some romantic vibe between her and mr Yoo at the end??
Don't take me wrong, I am not crazy about romance and I don't need it. Also, he is kind of older for her and all... But I just felt it at the very end, and weirdly, I was ok with it. He had a year to heal and he is such a nice man!!!
Anyway, don't care. I just wanted to ask others if they saw the same I saw.

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I didn't notice a romantic vibe at the end, but then again, I'm just looking at Hyeri as a fan, so I might not be the best person to ask, LOL.

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I felt that too just a little.

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Catch the Ghost: Emotionally, this drama hits all the right notes. I was gutted by flashbacks in episode 8. Plotting-wise, handfuls of unnatural reactions and heavyhanded situations. I wonder why they didn't have Ji Seok move in next door to Yoo Ryung after he sold his house.

Tale of Nokdu:Just when I was about to get tired of Nokdu and Dong Joo not knowing each other's identities, the drama finally allowed them to know about each other. That ending scene with Nokdu let Dong Joo escape and Dong Joo looking back was beautiful! I still can't figure out how they're going to write their way out of this one. 3 hours left. Gwanghae is unhinged. Yul-moo is terrible.

Extraordinary You: This drama makes my heart feel like bursting. It's the combination of story, acting, directing, music, and visuals. I've never been into terminal illnesses in dramas, but it really works here and I'm fully invested. I'm starting to suspect that in the end, the way out of the manhwa is not for Haru to change things, but for Kyung to be willing to change himself and get himself out of his rut.

Rookie Historian Gu Hye Ryung: Not a binge-y drama, so I'm watching this slowly. Except for 2nd Councilor Min, everyone here has their cute and positive sides. I love how the female historians aren't rivals. It's funny that it's Hye Ryung who seems to find Prince Do Won cute, handsome, and a viable romantic partner. But the other gals have their own preferences.

Live: I have to take a long pause before I finish the last 2 episodes. I had watched several episodes in a row and just too many emotions. There are wins and losses, but the losses far outnumber the wins and the system is set up to throw good cops under the bus.

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Tale of Nokdu: I so agree about the pace. It is moving along well and I don't have to skip around like I did on Joseon:Flower boy. Jong Du and Nokdu have so much delicious chemistry, so even their leave taking is precious.

VIP: I actually really like it. Jang Nara is fab as always. I'm liking the intricacies and the battle that she is clearly having to stay with him despite the distrust. Also Song Mi Na's story is fascinating. I love love that she is taking time to live for herself. Usually I'm not a fan of people who leave their kids, but I get it man. Her story is the one I look most forward to.

Chief of Staff: I adore everything about this show and Congresswoman sun young's new chief of staff is ma favorite. What a fab show.

Secret Boutique: omg, what a cliff hanger. However there is no way that Hyun Jim's mother is dead. The question is, where is she? What an excellent show, plus the chairwoman is something else, that woman is Evil.

Extraordinary You: I want to stat with Ju Da, I also want Ju Da to end up by herself. I find both Do Hwa and Nam Joo annoying. However, I dislike Do Hwa more mostly because he is aware but unlike everyone else decided to stick with his stage crush. It is a consistent theme in dramas that if a person is consistent enough in their one sided love they will get their person. With Dan Oh they happily flipped that, but with Do Hwa they didn't. At least Nam Joo isn't aware. I want Ju Da to love herself and be by herself, that will be refreshing. Lee Jae Wook is an excellent actor, I legit felt bad for him, but then I remembered his character, he outclasses Ro Woon in the acting dept. That being said Ha Ru is now experiencing what Dan Oh went through, hehe, let's see what the final eps bring.

Vagabond: we are on a break, ahhh baseball.

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Funny, I think that Do Hwa has done exactly the opposite - he gave up on winning his crush and just started participating in the story like a friend, although one who still truly gets upset when Ju Da is hurt. The way he acted changed completely, he’s sort of treating his life like a visit to Disney World where he plays along with the cosplay characters all day. But he’s not pining anymore, he’s just worried about the aware/unaware people he views as his friends. If anything does work out for him with Ju Da, it’ll be because he’s just lovely in the shadows, not because he tried to change the story.

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But he hasn't given up, almost everytime he is with Ju Da he confesses. I am talking about the Do Hwa in the shadow, not the stage. He is essentially the same in the shadow, in that he crushes on Ju Da in both scenarios. He consistently tells her he likes her in the shadow, which is the only place he can tell her. It feels pushy to me, because until she became self aware she couldn't do anything. Ju Da's scenes are always with Nam Joo or Do Hwa. Do Hwa at least has scenes with others. I want her to have more agency. 😊

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Secret Boutique : I also believe Hyunji's mother is still alive. Oh Tae-sok seems to have a soft spot for her.

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I agree that she isn't dead. Oh Tae Seok has done some terrible things, but has he actually murdered anyone? I'm guessing he left her in the car when Sun Woo gave it a cursory glance.

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Yay for Chief of Staff ! Wonderful cast, lots of good characters, especially the ladies. Can’t wait for the next episodes.

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Really missed SECRET BOUTIQUE last week so really enjoyed the rich, layered and nuanced characters back on my screen!! Hyun Ji's omma's death broke my heart!! Even though she barely saved herself twice, in the end she died!!😪
I knew the chairwoman would deal very ruthlessly with Jenny Jang as she does with anyone who threatens her or her fortune but still I was surprised that she actually drowned her. For some reason I thought we would have a few more episodes before she does some thing as concrete as this. It seemed very much like a last measure. I thought she would try to bring down Jenny Jang under someone else's impression like how Jenny Jang was bringing about her doom through the prosecution but this requires a lot of patience. And I guess her method signals how desperate she is now that she doesn't have a lot of time! She can't believe that she was unaware of Jenny Jang's real identity for so long, that she actually herself invited her biggest enemy in her "home" and now it's very very late to bring about a slow demise for Jenny. Her method shadows her urgency! All in all, I'm really enjoying this show.
Next week's episode preview promises another round of heartbreak for our characters! Hope we can all pull through with our hearts intact!

I'm really enjoying CATCH THE GHOST as well. Previously the crime/mystery was keeping me hooked. This week, the subway ghost took a back seat and we dealt with characters and their responsibilities as "caretakers" as one of the beanies articulated so well on the fan wall (I'm sorry I don't remember who). I loved the side stories though I'm really disliking how Ma Ri's character is coming about. She has so much potential but drama writers just have to turn her into jelouse, mean, selfish and very judgmental!! I feel like there could be so many moments where MaRi and Yoo Ryung could work together and actually help build eachother or atleast develop mutual respect or a frenemy sorta relation! Hope it's included in her character development! Regarding Woo Hyuk, I do not get why he's helping YR so much so that he even went into the tunnel with her unless he really is the subway ghost according to abirdwords theory!

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EXTRAORDINARY YOU episodes were lagging since last week. They were just not the same as the first half of the drama. These episodes didn't leave me happy and squealing and wanting more, anymore. Can't really put a finger as to why exactly though. Some of it was a bit of overdone cheesiness, maybe ? I'm not sure. While I love Dan Oh and her reactions, her aaegyo was a little too much maybe?. It didn't feel like there was any development in DanOh×Haru relationship even after their kiss. I wanted more than just cutesy/fluffy scenes between them!!. Also I'm hating how the boys are fighting over Dan Oh. Someone commented on a fan post that the original webtoon did not have a love triangle but that both Baek Kyung and Haru worked together to save Dan Oh and honestly I would love to see this play out instead we get scenes where Haru and Baek Kyung are both grabbing Dan Oh's hand and worst of all Dan Oh doesn't do anything but just stands there🤦‍♀️. Two such scenes in one week in two different dramas is too much for me (side eye Catch The Ghost🙄). However, ep 14 (27-28) seemed to have a little of its magic back. The story finally moved forward but I can't help wonder if some of the plotlines should have been introduced before as a lot of people's attention was waning in previous episodes and that the number of episodes should have been lower so as to suit the amount of plot they have!
I'm afraid that drama will not answer so many of the questions it is raising, attributing it to "a lazy writer with no creativity". Also like baek kyung said in previous epsiode, even if you change the stage, in the end isn't it the writer drawing it out? So in the end its still the writers decision and not the characters changing their "fate".

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TALE OF NOKDU: To be honest, the premier episodes did not impress me. I did laugh at places, so it succeeded at that but I did not feel the chemistry between the leads as others did. I was so bored with episode 3, I barely finished it.
[I think it's smth to do with fusion sagueks. I have found that I don't really enjoy them no matter how popular or well received they are. Some examples are "love in the moonlight" (I found both of the leads very cute individually and the humour worked for me as well but I did not feel the chemistry between them nor any angst, so it was a bore) and "splash splash love" (watched it since so many beanies raved about it but it was the same as Love in the moonlight, liked the leads, laughed as well but the chemistry didn't work for me)].
Because I could barely finish ep 3 I did not watch further episodes for a good while. Though I would skim recaps and read the threads related it on beanie wall so I knew the twists to come and some beanies explained the politics really well, which were very confusing if you were just watching the drama. Last week, on a whim I continued with the episodes. And I don't know if it's that I binged watched or because I knew the twists and could make sense of the politics better thanks to beanies but suddenly the drama was working for me. I even started to feel the chemistry between the leads and I now love them. I really don't know how exactly this happened. But now I find myself comparing this and Love in The Moonlight. Both are similar as fusion sagueks intermingled with palace politics. Even the female characters are connected to the king as Ra Ohn was a daughter of a traitor and Dong joo wants to kill the king. Both require their heads, literally!. Hence, both offer that internal resolve coming in conflict due to family responsibilities. But the difference is that I can feel alot of chemistry between the leads here but felt none in the latter. I'm loving Dong Joo and Nokdu's moments whereas I felt nothing between PBG and KYJ's characters.
It's funny really seeing that love in the moonlight started uphill and went downhill as it progressed but tale of Nokdu started downhill (for me) but has been going uphill and hope it will continue to until the very end!! Also regarding the ending, I have a feeling we'll have a "seven day queen" type of ending and I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it!

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I've loved Tale of Nok-du from the beginning, but it definitely has changed through the weeks. Now I love it for different reasons than for those in the beginning. I had been fascinated that a man could look that beautiful as a woman when he wasn't all that special as a man. I loved the sibling like bickering between the Main leads in the beginning and the funny situations they kept getting themselves into. By the time things started getting serious and dangerous, I had invested myself in the characters and cast of characters. The fire at the widow's village was a forewarning that anything could happen in this drama. Now, I'm just hoping that there is mercy for our hero and heroine at the ending, knowing full well that tragedy will stick with us longer than a walk into the sunset and wondering which way the writers will have us go.

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Seven Day Queen was a melodrama so the bittersweet ending was understandable and I liked how the writer didn't change history completely just so the couple can be together in the end.
Tale of Nokdu on the other hand is a romcom so I'm feeling a bit assured that there will be a happy ending for our couple.

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So I was going to write this whole thing about the untamed but I’m too much in my head about it lol. I may SPOIL some of the show below so please keep it moving if you don’t want any SPOILERS about the untamed.
So first, I’d like to thank all the Beanies who raved about it in the various threads. Because of you I got to experience an expected delight. I truly enjoyed this show. Obviously the best things about this show is the relationship between Wei Ying and Lan Zhan. It’s not often that I see such an intimate display of friendship between men. I was listening to a podcast a while ago and they were talking about how American men are amongst the loneliest people because culturally, they aren’t socialized to have super deep friendships with other men. It was really refreshing to watch these guys love, protect, trust and care for each other. Full disclosure I was hoping this ship would sail but leaving it a friendship was powerful.
Additionally, this show did a great job of normalizing men showing deep sorrow by crying. How often do you see a man cry his whole soul out in front of another man and have the other man gently wipe his tears?? Could we please normalize men feeling the range of their emotions?
While the CGI was ridiculous, the story telling was not. I love the loops they took us through, especially how they explained the past. Overall the characters’ motivations made sense and were introduced well. My only critique is that there was too much exposition when revealing Meng Yao at the end. A confession was an interesting choice but it helped really drive in how huge the betrayal was.
I feel like they did a good job of explaining pretty much everything but I’m still unclear about how Lan Zhan knew what it was Wei Ying. Did they explain that?
So many beautiful moments in this show! Please feel free to tag me if you ever want to fangirl about it! Also please give me your recommendations for other great dramas with such solid story telling.
Thanks again to all the Beanies who shared their love of this show!

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I'm glad you enjoyed The Untamed. As to why the ship didn't sail, well, it did. But it had to sail undercover without alerting the Chinese censors.

Because of the censors, the explanation of how LZ recognized WY is also kept vague in the drama, but those who have read the novel saw the reveal in the drama. Do you want to know? If yes, I can find and gif it, and tag you. Or, you might want to read the novel, which reveals it much more clearly. https://exiledrebelsscanlations.com/novels/grandmaster-of-demonic-cultivation/

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Both please? Tag and I will read! Thank you!!

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In terms of recommendations, the other C drama that I was really invested in was NIRVANA IN FIRE but it’s a completely different tone than UNTAMED. It’s full of action, mystery, suspense, scheming, brotherhood and surprise. However I would save this show for when you are really finally over with the untamed (which make take several months) because in my own experience, after the untamed nothing caught my eye and it would really ruin a supposedly good show if you watch it when you still have the feels for the untamed.

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I will take your advice and save Nirvana for later. I feel you on how untamed takes the flavor out of other shows. I was completely wrapped up with Nodku and Extraordinary but found myself pushing them to the back burner. I managed to watch this week's episodes of extraordinary but didn't enjoy them as much. I'm glad I still enjoy it enough cause it means I will avoid a drama slump.

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Nokdu and EY were casualties of my Untamed watch and rewatch. If Untamed didn't happen, I might have enjoyed them more or at least complete the show.

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@dramalava oh my, I love your handle!

I hope I was guilty as charged- one of the lunatic Untamed beanies who raved non stop about the drama.

I am quite surprised at what you said about the way the men in the show got to portray their emotions and the whole range of them. I think I've watched an almost equal share of Chinese and American shows, this difference never struck me.

CGI is always ridiculous in Chinese shows. I am glad I survived the Turtle of Carnage and that monstrous Black Dog in the initial episodes, otherwise I'd missed a great show!

I've finished watching the drama for the second time. It's a great show for rewatch because I noticed things I've never realised in my first watch. I know it sounds bewildering but the second watch, I felt even more keenly for the characters. Many scenes became even more powerful and poignant.

If you post on your fanwall, tag me! I have been saying that I want to get out of this obsession but well, I did try!

As with @gmelenco, do put Nirvana In Fire on your watchlist. It's a masterpiece. Absolutely brilliant! While NIF got my head, The Untamed got my heart.

Other C dramas I enjoyed:
Story of Minglan - strong female centric period drama
Yanxi Palace - strong female centric historical drama
Nirvana In Fire 2 - not exactly a sequel to NIF but it's a good watch.
All Is Well - brilliant social drama on Chinese family dynamics and society.

I am currently watching Longest Day in Changan, onto ep 16. So far, it's not as cracktastic as Untamed, otherwise I'd binged it. However, most C dramas are slow burn. I didn't get hooked on Minglan till ep 20. Since, this one is 48 episodes long, I can't put my verdict on it but the visuals are stunning. If anything, it is like peering into the past on what life in Tang Dynasty would have looked like.

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I used to watch western style tv almost exclusively before i caught the kdrama bug. I was pleasantly surprise at the amount of male tears in kdrama. It is almost guarantee you will see one, in any type of drama. Be it melo/ romantic/ comedy/ horror/ thriller/ mystery...

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This week bummed me out. Haru Found by Chance's great ideas are marred by a team who no longer understand the best way to execute them, and When the Camellia Blooms is simply rage-inducing. Drama was a mistake, the 16-episode system is flawed, and I really need something to be excited about.

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On Camilla I agree! It is rage inducing! EY i am too far behind,now even wondering if I should bother catching up!

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Don't let me dissuade you! My hopes were just so high for this show after the first two weeks, and it's been gradually letting me down. Who knows? You might like the direction they went with!

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I think it's safe to say that i will not be much happy either because i had super high expectations of it. ;)

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Aw, why does drama do this to us?

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Good morning Beanies,

The only thing that I caught up is Temptation Island season 2 and 90 Day fiancé season 8 and pillow talk. LOL. I am totally behind of Nokdu, Graceful Family, Extraordinary You and Chinese drama A thing called First Love and Love Hypnotic.

It has been busy week and more so with next week will be my son Parent Teacher Conference and last week of school for one teenager and two kids as Thanksgiving week will be a week after. OMG. December will be in no time and 2020 too. Have a great weekend.

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Extraordinary You is still an obsession, going by the hours I spend writing comments on Dramabeans, and how it has taken over other K-dramas and even real life obligations as main priority. My week is literally planned around live watching the episodes and then commenting the whole weekend instead of doing other things for a change :P However part of me feels relieved that it is ending next week, because the obsession has been high maintenance :p Also, episodes 13 and 14 gave me 12 episodes worth of angst. Necessary maybe, but I came for the fluff.

Tonight I am watching episode 14 of Rookie Historian Goo Hae Ryung with my friend. I probably will not get my bean for finishing this in 2019, but I am happy we are still watching together despite our busy lives. :)

No Second Chances is my first makj…errr family drama ever! ;) I came for the cast and their relationships in the drama, since there is not much plot to watch. :P Let me also use this opportunity to finally admit to myself that I have a noona crush on Kwak Dong-Yeon. :D

Last but not least, Pegasus Market. The weekly dances are part of the OST, HURRRAAAY! :P I love absurd humor mixed with heart. I watched 3 episodes and already teared up at some scenes, and I know there is more to follow. I am glad that I made the effort to press play, even though I am late to the party. Did any Pegasus Beanies watch Special Labor Inspector Jo? Kim Gab is the intern that got hit with a brick! These two roles are his first apparently, I am glad the actor already got to express some range in only two roles. I will be keeping an eye on him. ;)

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I am also recently watching Pegasus Market, and I like it so much,I am repeating some scenes while waiting for the next episode...
I did not watch special labor inspector, but if you recommend it for me with arguments but without spoilers, maybe I will give it a try....

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If you like Kim Dong Wook, underdog story, bromance, then that is the show for you.

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Hmmm, over the top action scenes and some chief kim vibes. The inspector and his sidekicks help employees who were unjustly fired, injured on the job,...and they all share one big bad employer. I am terrible at persuasion, but it cheered me up a lot. It is mainly comedy, but it does have heart and lots of awesome underdogs!

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Special Labor Inspector Jo: Fun. Small victories (as well as new challenges) for the hero and his gang of misfits every episode, which made me feel good. Simple villains except for one grey character.

I once described it as if the trio in DRINKING SOLO finally passed the civil service exam and were sent to work with CHIEF KIM as labor inspectors.

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@ TurtuallySarcastic
Yes, I watched Special Labor Inspector Jo. Hmm, I can't recall Kim Gab in there. Do you remember which episode?

@ Javinne
Yes, I'd recommend Special Labor Inspector Jo!

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@stroopwafel,
CAMELLIA has been an increasingly tough watch precisely because Gong Hyo-jin has been knocking it out of the park with her portrayal of an adult woman who is emotionally-arrested at the age of 7. That is what makes her so frustrating. From time to time she bucks up and attempts to put on her big-girl pants, but it's all an act -- and is nothing more than temporarily doing the opposite of her default behaviors. Her additional baggage of being wangtta since the same tender age has utterly destroyed her self-esteem, if she ever had any to begin with. On top of that, Dong-baek strikes me as having a serious case of depression.

What kills me are Pil-gu's reactions to his mother's abandonment issues, which Kim Kang-hoon portrays with lethal veracity. He's grown up prematurely to be the family hero and rescuer, and has never gotten to truly be a child. His mother is extremely needy, although she pretends not to be, and in effect is so narcissistic that she has never once considered that her son could have ever needed or wanted a father. Pil-gu pretended he didn't, but the truth is finally out. A while back, Dong-baek said something to him akin to "It's you and me against the world," and it set off my codependency alarm. As of this week's cliffhanger, all I can think is that, unless there is some kind of intervention, Pil-gu is going to grow up to be a screwed-up adult, and that prospect breaks my heart.

NB: Some weeks back, I realized with a start that my own dear mama carried a lifelong burden as a result of her parents' divorce when she was very small (circa late 1920s). The loss of her father, even though it was for the best, haunted her to the end of her days. She got a double-whammy of shame because divorce was not an option in her and grandma's religion, and was still uncommon in those days -- and even when I was a kid in the early 60s. Just my two cents' worth.

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@shach, @oppafangirl,
I don't think that everyone's parents are necessarily miserable so much as very human, with varying degrees of flaws. Some of them are stereotypical doozies (e.g., Gyu-tae's horrid mother), that's for sure.

I've come to see CAMELLIA as a plea by Writer-nim for tolerance, destigmatization of mental health issues, and maybe even a call for easier access to counseling and psychotherapy -- instead of just prescribing antidepressants (as we saw how well that worked out for Lord No). Not that any of that would have prevented the development of Joker.

CAMELLIA might even be a cautionary tale of toxic filial piety. We see mothers (Deuk-soon and Dong-baek) and a noona (Hyang-mi) selflessly going overboard to raise and protect their children and a younger sibling under extreme privation -- but they don't take care of their own needs. The reality is that they cannot give their dependents what they do not have themselves. Of the three, Deuk-soon was in the best position as she was an adult married woman (well, widow) with two children already when she had Yong-shik, and even she had a very hard row to hoe because of society's ideals and expectations. As a five-year-old, Hyang-mi was in an even worse position than Dong-baek, who at least was in her 20s-going-on-8 when she got pregnant.

I agree that Jong-ryeol has his own limitations. But he at least has his heart in the right place, and wants to do right by the son he didn't know he had, even if he doesn't know exactly how. He has paternal instincts and acts on them with his daughter and Pil-gu. I'm not so sure that he is emotionally stunted so much as arrested at his own emotional age from back when he lived with Dong-baek whenever he's around her. He defaults back to that younger self when he's in her presence -- and walks on eggshells around her. His conversations with Pil-gu sound a lot more adult, at least in the beginning. In retrospect, Jong-ryeol's harridan mother may have been picking up on something other than just "bad luck" when she told Dong-baek to get lost.

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I think this show make the great point in showing us how hard is to communicate one's feelings or emotion, although maybe that was not the writer intention, it frustrate me to see that on screen, but I know that realistically that is how it is for people in general.

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Wonderfully said!

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Camellias is all about family relationship of each of the characters, whether main or support. I have yet to see some healthy ones but so far all of them aŕe tragic. I pity Heung Shik ang Hyang Mi the most. I think theirs are the saddest. You have totally unwrapped Dong Baek for me. Thanks @pakalanapikake for verbalizing everything... even what is in the writer's head. 👍👍👋

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You're welcome, @lookie.

I agree with you about Hyang-mi and Heung-shik being the most tragic. My blood ran cold when it suddenly occurred to me that, at least metaphorically, Hyang-mi died because she was one of Heung-shik's stray cats. I got the impression that he shyly liked her a lot, but could never show it. I suspect that she enjoyed his company at the bar (one of the benefits of clogging the sink with hair), but would not have gotten involved because her priority was to get the heck out of Dodge City.

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Vagabond: 7

My Country: 7.3 Watching two succession-dispute sageuks at the same time causes crossed wires and brain damage. Not recommended.

Pegasus Market: 9.8

Catch the Ghost: 7.7

Tale of Nokdu: 7.0 The king's 20-year desire to kill his son didn't make sense to me even especially after they explained it. That drags down the whole show and largely undermines the performances and occasional nice bits like the FL trying to shield the chickens from the sight of the kid eating an egg. I don't care how much you need a device to generate tension (and you do), next time put the good performances and cute bits over a solid foundation, not over a plot hole huge enough to swallow Jupiter.

Melting Me Softly: 6.0

When the Camellia Blooms: 7.5

Extraordinary You: 6.5 Once you get past the (rather cool) main gimmick, it's just an awfully kdrama-ish kdrama.

Rome (the HBO series): 10 for season 1 & the first ep of season 2; about a 7 for the rest. When mixed with 2 succession-dispute sageuks it causes even worse brain damage.

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I have to giggle because I'm watching My Country and Nokdu and having plenty of trouble with them crossing back and forth. For some reason, especially the non-gisaeng female leads growing up in the gisaeng houses muddles me. I wish I weren't watching them on the same schedule (because, yunno, I can't control that or anything). 😣

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Never had this problem with Nokdu and My country, but while I was watching Hwarang I kept on calling Park Seo-joon's character Hwi cause it's too easy to remember, also it had something to do with their hair I am sure, and also cause my sister confused both the drama posters, heh.

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@lordcobol and @bbstl,
I feel your pain, as I experienced similar crossing of wires between MY COUNTRY and FLOWER CREW -- and PEGASUS MARKET because the latter two share a villain. If I watch two sageuks simultaneously, I try to pick ones from different eras. It helps a lot. ;-)

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It looks like the rating for PEGASUS MARKET has actually gone up.

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CAMELLIA BLOOMS: The murder mystery was a waste of time as an immaterial character was revealed to be the Joker. The plot also went off the rails when DB allowed Pilgu to go live with his father. She is still struggling with her own abandonment issues, why would she abandon Pilgu? The best scene was between Jessica and Pilgu, two very unhappy people finding common ground.
PEGASUS MARKET: Episode 8 took an abrupt reality check on manager Moon's backstory. But it did fit into the theme that family is what you want it to be.
BLWL: There are only so many layers of lies that you can pile onto a compost heap before it stinks to high heaven. The secretary awakens from her coma not to repent but to lie and steal her boss from his wife. As many other commentators have said, most are watching for the lead couple.
BUSTED SEASON 2: The second series was not as good as the first. LKS was only in the first show then disappeared (he had work conflicts). It was quite repetitive; more escape room puzzles than actual detective work. It seemed rushed and less polished than the first season.
HOME SWEET HOME (KBS Drama Special): I stumbled across this by accident. It has genuine characters in a simple story about what "home" means to an individual. A young architect does not realize her fiance is from a rich family. She feels ashamed of the status of her family. There are no over-the-top characters or plot twists. It shows that you can have a good drama story in a single hour episode.

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I've just finished watching HOME SWEET HOME (KBS Drama Special)! Yes, Sua should not keep up appearances. Her parents' house is not that bad and nothing to be ashamed of. I'm glad her fiance is nice.

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A rage inducing week at Kdramas:
1. Camilla: I think I detest all its characters, not that i want people to be flawless but i can't stand manipulation passed of as just being human! And all the mothers are a disaster.
2. The lies within: Passing a bully and sexist person as a male lead, is so 12th century, you can do better!

I need to watch some good shows, i think i will take a break from Korean dramas for till the next year! I can't keep on losing my brain cells with so much rage!
I miss be melodramatic!

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I'm quite behind with Camellia (and skipping majority of comments to avoid spoilers)... but noooooooo, don't tell me it gets bad 😢

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I guess they should have sticked to the 16 episodes...

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I don't think it's a problem of extension but it's the ideas of writer about characters which i don't like.

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About four episodes ago, I loved all the characters. What happened? Well, [spoiler] died, I guess that was a start, since I think they were really holding the dynamic together, but aside from that, who knows?

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I haven't seen this week's episodes yet but from what I've heard it's gone full kdrama. Which would be fine in a different vehicle but not in this one. It's one of the reason I don't watch this week's episodes but will wait till I have the final four.
@frabbycrabsis

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I do wonder if a shorter episode count would have curbed this, @leetennant. Then the angst would have been kept shorter and tidier - Dong-shik's mama wouldn't have kept reiterating the totally hypocritical idea that single mothers are fine as long as they aren't dating her son, so I wouldn't have hated her a little more each time, for instance.

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@frabbycrabsis
I often find that kdramas looking to critique social mores end up embodying them instead, mostly because they rely on ratings from an audience that might take an aversion to a too-radical criticism of the status quo.

I'm not sure if it's the episode count or producers not being brave enough to push a high rating drama in a different direction. Once the show approached 20% I suppose it was inevitable they'd start to play it more safe.

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@leetennant
Ah yes, that reminds me of the controversy around Jung Yu-mi and Gong Yoo's new film - it's honestly shocking how conservative Korea is, and I always forget that when it comes to feminism and gender equality, opinions are completely polarised.

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@oppafangirl, @frabbycrabsis, @leetennantant,
Late to the party, but I wanted to chime in that I think you're all onto something. The extension gave more opportunity for tail-chasing re: the murder mystery. I think it also gave a chance to get a peek under the skin of more characters, which gave a fuller spectrum of the ways in which everyone's lives are blighted by discrimination, from one generation to the next, with the emphasis on women and children. People may look okay on the outside, but they're as damaged as the obvious wangttas.

Let me point out that all the useless, loser husbands in Ongsan were someone's precious sons when they were little. What has happened to them since then? I think that having the town a matriarchy was part of the satire, but on another level, we're seeing that it can be just as toxic – in a different way – as the paternalistic sexism that holds sway in real life. When I view the adult males in the show, each of whom are messed up to varying degrees, all I can think is that we're seeing the range of possible futures for Pil-gu, whom we have come to know and cherish. Will he turn out like Hyang-mi's brother? Or Gyu-tae?

It suddenly occurred to me that if CAMELLIA were to be more realistic, there should have been a few suicides by people who felt they hadn't or couldn't live up to society's ceaseless conflicting demands for educational achievement, looks, economic success, etc., etc. They could have been referenced in the past tense – except maybe people don't talk about stuff like that, even as a cautionary tale?

What does the future hold for Yong-shik? His mother's fierce attempts to shelter him from adversity (the same way Dong-baek has tried to protect Pil-gu) imbued him with excessive self-confidence along with a kind and loving heart. And factory-installed a guilt trip that even he may never be able to escape. He's an adult who doesn't need to be "protected" from life's challenges. But Mom has been programmed to do exactly that. To do otherwise is dereliction of maternal duty. She won't stand down until she dies. And then she'll guard him in his dreams.

@leetennant, you've hit the nail on the head re: Kdrama social criticism that backfires. But maybe what we're witnessing in CAMELLIA also explains the falling birthrate in Korea. Accomplished, well-educated, capable – and financially-independent – women like Lawyer Hong are saying "enough is enough" and refusing to marry into families who will treat them like outsiders for the rest of their days while expecting them to pop out babies and devote their energies to memorializing someone else's ancestors while they have to abandon their own families and careers. The status quo looks like a no-win situation – just like the BS about "You can have it all" was a bill of goods for American career women back in the 80s.

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These are all great points. But I'd just like to point out that a society where the women do all the work and the men just play around while the sons are treated like precious little darlings is literally the opposite of a matriarchy. This is actually peak patriarchy. It's just that the restaurants are seen as "women's work" and the street is essentially the domestic sphere. If it was a true matriarchy, Dongbaek would never have had the issues she had when she moved in. You'll notice that none of the women have any real say on their husbands' behaviour. That's why they were always blaming and bullying Dongbaek. Because they can't do lay down the law to their husbands so need a female to yell at instead.

This is patriarchy 101.

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@leetennant @frabbycrabsis @pakalanapikake
I do not only want to blame the ratings, it is like a vicious cycle, they have a high rating because they conform to the "traditions" and they keep on conforming to it because they want higher ratings.

This is true for every patriarcal society in Asia. And I blame the writer and producer for not being brave but sometimes I wonder do they even understand the point that they just came back to where they started. I have a friend who claims himself to be feminist but he doesn't even understand a thing about how patriarchy works. So i think they also don't.

In meta way the female characters and the author have the same problem, they have a checklist of things they should do, like the female lead who thinks since my mom abandoned me and did not love me so I will be not like her, (checklist how not be like her: don't abandon your kid) so she wants to have a family and love it, now she finds the next guy on the street and has a relationship which does not work and she decides to run away with the baby, without even telling him, because she wants to protect and love the baby, but she never stops to examine or think about where the love is most required, she does not need the baby to love herself. This is where she should have started, she does not need to wait till YS comes to tell her this and now she is attached to him because he tells her what she should have told her self. Then even a bigger question is why does she need to steal from the kid his father?
The problem which could be amended a lot in one generation will now be dragged into the next generation as well, the kid growing up with serious father issues!

Now for the author the checklist contains: single mothers and that's it. Every thing else remains the same.
So the problem just transforms into an equivalent one.

Like the female lead, does not know what made her mother the person who she wasand to avoid it, the author does not know how the society became how it is.

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And I blame the writer and producer for not being brave but sometimes I wonder do they even understand the point that they just came back to where they started.

This is a really common problem with kdramas. Another example is Jealousy incarnate, a really great drama ruined because the writers had to write to 24 episodes in the end and so they simply brought things round back to the beginning in some sort of circle that undermined all the points they were trying to make.

Shows that dare to critique misogynism end up circling back to supporting the status quo. Take BTLIOF (*looks around furtively for Mindy*) and its terrible last few episodes that resulted in them getting married, even though their refusal to get mired in the social obligations embedded in marriage was literally the point of the drama - or was supposed to be.

My most recent issue with this was the adaptation of Leverage, which I thought was perfect for a Korean version. But this was an American show where the protagonist was broken by capitalism. In its Korean form the writers couldn't bring themselves to criticise the structural underpinnings of Korean society or economy so they instead opted for the usual "evil chaebols" because the elite breaking their Confucian contract is about as far as dramas are prepared to go. Anything else would imply there may be something systemically wrong with a system that allows the development of elites in the first place and that's clearly a step too far.

It's usually at this point though where I wonder if I'm being unreasonable in expecting a kdrama to essentially not be a kdrama. Bearing in mind this show broke 20%, which means its audience are mostly older women most of whom don't want to be told there's something wrong with the system they've known for their entire lives. It's frustrating but there it is. We can say it's wrong to treat single mothers like this but are not prepared to ask why the society is structured to do so.

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The producers said the episode count has not changed; it was originally to be 20 (40).
The murder mystery plot did nothing to explain the maternalistic town culture. I think it would have been better to focus in on the market women and why they had "loser" husbands than a forced "drama" plot of the Joker.

There is also a ticking time bomb of hypocrisy as the series ends. YS mother became a strong, independent woman raising three sons as a single mother. She was accepted into the community as a leader. But she could not give DB a second chance at happiness. Is it because in her time, society forbid her chance so she will not allow DB to be happy?

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Try Chief of Staff. Season 2 just started so you could binge watch S1 and be up to speed for S2.

The cast has veteran actors/actresses, compelling political thriller. No noble idiots or love triangles !!

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Tale of Nokdu -- I only watched Monday's episode. The last episode seems sad based on the reactions on the fan wall, so I will watch it with next week's ones.

Extraordinary You -- I'm half way through the last episode but I already know its ending, based on the fan wall spoilers. I'm confused by the direction of the whole story and what the writers are trying to tell us.

No idea what else to watch. Maybe Pegasus Market...

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@halfmoon,

Re: PEGASUS MARKET, if you're looking for humor, memorable characters, catchy music, and a whole lot of heart, all I can say is "Try it, you'll like it." (Tip of the hat to Alka-Seltzer.) If you've only ever seen him in villain roles, Kim Byung-chul has been delightfully weird.

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Sounds like something I'd enjoy. Ok , I'll give it a try!

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Pegasus Market is one of the most charming things I've watched this year. *clutches heart*

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Kim Byung-chul was a great villain in GOBLIN, but he also had a good minor comic role in SHOPPING KING LOUIS.

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I haven't seen SHOPPING KING LOUIS, but I may have to rectify that. ;-) IIRC, the only other shows in which I've seen Kim Byung-chul besides GOBLIN are MR. SUNSHINE (which had some humorous interludes), RULER: MASTER OF THE MASK (the memory of which I have almost completely suppressed), and DOCTOR PRISONER, in which he was the antagonist to Namgoong Min's title character -- which made for some pretty wild confrontations between two masters of deadpan and villainy. The movies R-POINT and THE GUARD POST weren't laughfests. WONDERFUL NIGHTMARE had some funny scenes when the celestial department in charge of scheduling admissions to the hereafter messed up. His first movie was the sageuk comedy ONCE UPON A TIME IN A BATTLEFIELD, in which he plays a Shilla spy listening in on Baekje General Gye-baek issuing orders to his officers which include the word "geoshigi," whose meaning is context-dependent and thus is effectively unbreakable code to outsiders. Geoshigi is a running joke in TOP STAR YOO BAEK, too.

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SHOPPING KING LOUIS is a delightfully light rom-com.

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A couple weeks ago I was in search of something peppy to play while doing a tedious housekeeping task. The Bbaya Cart Song (or is it Ppaya?) turned out to be the only soundtrack I needed that whole afternoon.

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Bbaya is correct.

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@tsutsuloo,
I love "Bbaya Cart" too. And also "Reload" by Song Yoo-bin and "Pegasus Market" by Norazo (OST parts 2 and 3, respectively). Sattu!

https://wiki.d-addicts.com/Pegasus_Market_OST

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I started it. I watched the first two episodes so far and I'm liking it !

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@halfmoon,
I'm so glad you gave PEGASUS MARKET a chance. It is whimsical, kooky, and loaded with heart. The baddies aren't even that bad, which is a big relief. Lee Soon-jae is great as CEO Grandpa. He's one of my fave actors, with great comic timing HIGH KICK! 2 THROUGH THE ROOF. Enjoy!

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Tale of Nokdu: ❤❤ The angst... ☹
When the Camellia Blooms: ❤❤ The birth of Ongsan Avengers and unfortunately, also the birth of the ugly noble idiocy. ☹ Finally got Joker, but no surprise there. The time jump is a surprise though.
Extraordinary You: ❤❤ See Tale of Nokdu.
Secret Boutique: ❤❤❤ The cat is out of the bag. No surprise that Chairwoman goes on murderous mode right away. My surprise is on the way she chose to do it. Why... 🤔
Pegasus Market: ❤❤ The Bbavarotti Choir had me in stiches!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
My Country (13): ❤❤❤ Ah... Sun Ho. Hee Jae, I saw that coming from miles away.
This week being a short week (Monday holiday + 2 sick days) I managed to finish:
Nokdu Flower: ❤❤❤ I finished this on Monday, but still feeling the feels now. When I looked back to my posts, I still cry buckets. 😭😭😭
1% of Something: ❤❤ Full of kisses and skinship and rainbows and unicorns. Just what I needed when sick. 😆😆

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I feel the same way about NOKDU FLOWER.

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