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My Country: The New Age: Episode 15

As we close in on the end of our story, I thought I couldn’t be surprised any more, but I was wrong. A shocking secret is revealed that changes everything, including our friends-turned-enemies’ relationship. There’s no telling now how all this will end, but one this is certain – it won’t be easy to watch.

 
EPISODE 15 RECAP

Sun-ho stops Hwi on his way to the ambush site that Bang-won set up for Bang-gan, and he surprises Hwi by running him through with his sword. Sun-ho sneers that he’s not grateful to Hwi or Bang-won for sparing his life, but that he’s returning the favor.

He tells Hwi that he wanted to change the world, but he was only used for his sword then disposed of, so instead he’ll destroy their world by killing Bang-won, Bang-gan, the current king, and the former king. He warns Hwi not to interfere, making it clear that this is the last thing he can do for him. He leaves with his Jurchens, and Hwi gasps, “But I… can save you.”

Moon-bok and Chi-do worry when Hwi is late showing up to the ambush site. Meanwhile, Sung-rok reports that the ambush site has changed, so Sun-ho changes his plans, too — he’ll wipe out Bang-won’s soldiers while they wait, then strike at Bang-won.

The ambush soldiers are taken by surprise by the Jurchens, and during the fight, Moon-bok is injured badly. Chi-do goes to his rescue, and despite the shock of seeing Sun-ho alive and fighting, he manages to get Moon-bok to safety.

Bang-won sets out for a day of “hunting,” aware that Bang-gan is preparing a counter-strike. Bang-gan intercepts him, and Bang-won notes that he’s got a lot of soldiers with him for a mere hunt. Bang-gan grins that he might need them to catch a tiger, and Bang-won laughs like that’s the funniest thing ever.

Hwi shows up as Chi-do and Moon-bok are escaping, and he picks off the Jurchens who were chasing them. Moon-bok is badly hurt, and he wails that he can’t die because he’s going to be a dad, awww. Hwi leaves Chi-do to take care of Moon-bok while he goes to get the royal guards, and Chi-do calls after him, asking if he’s trying to save Bang-won, or Sun-ho. Hwi just says he’ll save them both.

As they ride together, Bang-gan brings up Seo Geom, who was their swordsmanship teacher. He asks Bang-won if Hwi is truly Seo Geom’s son, but Bang-won changes the subject, wondering why there are dead Jurchens everywhere when they should all be up north.

Suddenly, Bang-gan draws his sword and swings, but Bang-won is ready for him. He dives off his horse as his own army faces off with Bang-gan’s, but he yells for them not to act first. Bang-gan claims that he’s doing this to protect their other brothers from Bang-won, and Bang-won asks if he’ll be safe if Bang-gan ascends the throne. Bang-gan says honestly that Bang-won will be the first on the chopping block, so Bang-won picks up his sword.

As the brothers and their armies fight, Sun-ho shows up with his Jurchens, and Bang-gan realizes that he’s been tricked by Sun-ho just in time to defend himself. Sun-ho goes for Bang-won, thanking him sarcastically for giving him a reason to live, but he’s taken aback when Bang-won says that he spared him because they’re so alike, and because he’s Hwi’s friend.

Ungrateful, Sun-ho attacks again, and he manages to slice open Bang-won’s arm. Bang-won says that Sun-ho will never beat him because he only looks at Bang-won, while Bang-won looks at the big picture. Right on cue, Hwi arrives with the rest of the soldiers, shocking Sun-ho that he’s still able to fight.

The battle continues, and before long, Bang-won deals Sun-ho a serious injury to the chest. Sung-rok fights his way to Sun-ho and puts him on a horse, and when Bang-won notices Hwi watching them worriedly, he orders him after them. When Hwi catches up, Sung-rok is prepared to fight him, but Hwi only tells him of a secret place he can take Sun-ho to patch him up.

Bang-won’s forces overpower Bang-gan’s, but Bang-gan only laughs when Bang-won orders him marched barefoot through the streets. Hwi returns and tells Bang-won that he lost Sun-ho and Sung-rok, though Bang-won suspects he purposely let them go. He says that Sun-ho will be back for him, and that he’ll kill Sun-ho when he does.

He asks Hwi what he’ll do when that happens. Without hesitating, Hwi says he’ll protect his friend, and Bang-won sighs, “Then I will slay you as well.”

At the palace, former king Taejo meets with his old captains to discuss Seo Geom. He says that Seo Geom was more loyal than any of them, and that he never believed he embezzled military rations, but the previous king did and he couldn’t save his friend.

One general points out that Taejo took Lord Nam under his wing even though he was responsible for framing Seo Geom. But Taejo says it wasn’t Lord Nam, which is why he’s speaking with them now – he’s ready to avenge Seo Geom’s death.

After the meeting, Taejo runs into Hee-jae outside, who reveals cheekily that she knows all about his plans to gather his former warriors and take down Bang-won. She informs him that Bang-gan’s coup failed, and warns him not to follow through with his plan or he’ll be dethroned as a former king, and stripped of his titles.

Hwi worriedly checks on Moon-bok, but thankfully he’s already on the mend, simultaneously consoling Hwa-wol and antagonizing Jung Beom, hee. Next he talks to Hee-jae, who tells him about her conversation with Taejo. Hwi apologizes that he can’t do anything to prevent her from getting involved, but he asks her to tell him whenever she goes somewhere so he can protect her from danger.

He travels to the hideout where Sung-rok took Sun-ho, bringing medicine for Sun-ho’s wound. His own injuries catch up to him, so he’s still there when Sun-ho wakes. Sun-ho tells him to rest or his wounds will open, and Hwi quips, “I can’t believe the one who stabbed me is saying that…” HAHA.

Sun-ho asks if Hwi is still suffering from the venom, and Hwi admits that it’s with him for good. He asks if Sun-ho will keep fighting, but Sun-ho just sighs to ask his sword. Hwi thanks Sun-ho for protecting him and returns the missing half of Yeon’s ribbon, adding, “And I’m sorry I was so absorbed in my own anger that I couldn’t see your pain.” Sun-ho just silently chokes back his tears.

Taejo returns to the palace and Bang-gan is imprisoned, and Bang-won wonders whether Taejo will choose his seal or his son. As for Cheonga, who’s also been beaten and imprisoned for helping Bang-gan, Bang-won says that he’ll come in useful one day.

In the morning, Hwi leaves while Sun-ho is still sleeping. He asks Sung-rok to keep Sun-ho away from Bang-won or he’s dead, but Sung-rok says that the least valuable thing Sun-ho owns is his life. He says he can’t stop Sun-ho, but Hwi states that he will.

Chi-do tells his remaining Black Snakes that their former deputy leader is still alive, holing up in prostitution houses because he’s an addict. He helped frame Seo Geom by giving false testimony, so Chi-do tells his men to find the “wire puller” (the person who instigated the framing) and kill them.

Bang-won visits Bang-gan in prison and tells him that the only way he’ll survive is by answering a question – who ordered him to stage a coup? Bang-gan laughs uproariously that it was their father, and Bang-won tells him that he just saved his own life.

Hwi asks to speak with Taejo to tell him that his path ends here. Taejo retorts that that’s up to him, and he chuckles that Hwi is gutsy like his father. He surprises Hwi by telling him that his father was Bang-won’s swordsmanship teacher, while Bang-won remains stone-faced.

In private, Bang-won confronts Taejo about being behind Bang-gan’s attempted coup. Taejo asks wearily what he wants, so Bang-won tells him to formally abdicate. Taejo says that King Jeongjong recommends Bang-won as the crown prince and that he will approve it.

However, he adds that he will also pardon Seo Geom, and have him remembered as a respected general who took his own life from being falsely charged. Bang-won looks like he’s silently boiling over, and Taejo knows it.

When Bang-won rejoins Hwi, Hwi asks why he never told him that he studied under his father. He intuits that the reason has something to do with his father’s death, but Bang-won says they’ll talk later.

Sun-ho goes to the palace to help Hwi break into the royal records, looking for information regarding his father’s death. Hwi tells him not to get involved, but Sun-ho says he’s doing this for Yeon and sits down to pore through the records with him.

He asks about Hwi’s wounds, so Hwi shows him his secret — Moon-bok’s numbing medicine. He says that Sun-ho is always beside him whenever he’s in pain, but he says it with a sweet, forgiving smile.

Hwi is asleep on the table when Sun-ho comes across the right documents. He reads that the main witness was Deputy Leader Kim Do-soo of the Black Snake Unit, and he tears out the relevant page.

He follows Chi-do, who’s caught Kim Do-soo and is on his way to question/torture him. Do-soo tries to claim he didn’t know who ordered him to frame Seo Geom and gets stabbed in the leg, and when Chi-do goes to stab him again, he screams that it was Bang-won. WHAT?? Overhearing this, Sun-ho flies in and demands to know if it’s true.

Bang-won thinks about the rest of his conversation with Taejo. Of course, he already knows who framed Seo Geom, and he’d said that he won’t stand by and watch Bang-won commit yet another crime by taking the throne. Bang-won knows that Taejo never shows all his cards, and he wonders why he did it this time.

Meanwhile, Sun-ho seethes with fury that Bang-won had Hwi’s father killed, then used Hwi and let him take the blame for Bang-won’s crimes. Chi-do doesn’t want Hwi to learn of this, worried he’ll confront Bang-won and get killed, and Sun-ho agrees, “Hwi will never know. I’ll end it before he learns the truth.” Chi-do says that Hwi would want Sun-ho to live more than he’d want revenge, but Sun-ho just asks him to watch over Hwi.

Chi-do deals with his own demons… when Seo Geom was in prison, Chi-do had tried to help him escape. Seo Geom had refused to go, saying that it would make his children fugitives for life, and he’d asked Chi-do to look after them.

Hwi dresses as a guard to speak to Taejo again, to warn him not to try and play him and Bang-won against each other. He asks straight out who is responsible for his father’s death, and Taejo tells him honestly that it was Bang-won.

Bang-won had also visited Seo Geom in prison and urged him to abandon the corrupt king and help him build a new world. But Seo Geom had been stubbornly loyal, pointing out that Bang-won was more corrupt in framing him, as was his father who was using his son to kill him. Bang-won had asked how Seo Geom could say he lived by a code when he’d failed to protect his own children.

When Sung-rok shows up to help Sun-ho storm Bang-won’s base, Sun-ho tells him to get lost. But Sung-rok says it’s his choice, and that being by Sun-ho’s side hasn’t been too bad.

Sun-ho says this is the only way to prevent Bang-won from killing Hwi, and that he wants to be able to look Yeon in the eyes when he sees her again. He removes her ribbon from his sword hilt and tucks it close to his heart.

After dark, Sun-ho bursts into Bang-won’s home screaming his name. He fights viciously, but a guard slices his chest open again and he goes to his knees. Sung-rok protects Sun-ho, but he’s also outnumbered, and he’s stabbed through several times.

He falls right in front of Sun-ho, and Tae-ryong shoves his sword through Sung-rok’s chest, to Sun-ho’s horror. Sung-rok falls dead, leaving Sun-ho sobbing in shock. Tae-ryong moves to strike Sun-ho, and Jung Beom prepares to defend Sun-ho, but Bang-won’s voice bellows for them all to stop.

Sun-ho struggles to his feet, but when he raises his sword at Bang-won, he collapses again. Bang-won calmly asks why Sun-ho is here to kill him and not Hwi, and Sun-ho gasps that he wanted people to laugh at Bang-won for being killed by a concubine’s son.

Bang-won says he’ll be laughed at simply because Sun-ho got this far, so Sun-ho will be punished. Sun-ho asks who will punish Bang-won for his sins, like framing a general and killing his own brothers. He sobs as he asks who will punish Bang-won for trying to kill Hwi, and Bang-won answers, “I… I will not kill Hwi.”

Sun-ho doesn’t believe him and laughs darkly, but Bang-won says he’ll endure the taunts and own up to his sins. Hanging his head, Sun-ho throws off his sword and tells Bang-won to kill him. Bang-won raises his sword to grant Sun-ho’s request, but as his sword comes down, an arrow strikes the blade and stops it.

Bang-won tells his men to let Hwi in, as Sun-ho curses to see him here then passes out. Bang-won reminds Hwi that he said he’d kill him if he tries to save Sun-ho, but Hwi takes aim at him and invites Bang-won to try and kill him like he killed his father.

He says he’ll forget everything Bang-won did to him and his father if he lets Sun-ho go: “He is my dearest friend. Let me save him.” Oof. He adds that Bang-won is dead if he doesn’t agree, and that their alliance ends now.

Bang-won considers, then he takes his sword from Sun-ho’s throat and tells Hwi this is a reward for his contribution. Hwi helps Sun-ho to his feet (Sun-ho: “Why are you making it so hard to die?” Hwi: “I will keep you alive with all my might.”) and leads him to safety — for now.

 
COMMENTS

Allow me to offer My Country a very impressed slow-clap for actually surprising me at this late point in the show. I was shocked by the reveal that Bang-won was responsible for framing Seo Geom (more on that later), but mostly I’m surprised and pleased by the twist that will have Hwi and Sun-ho fighting on the same side again. I said in the previous recap that all I wanted was for the former friends to get a chance to tell each other that they still love each other before one of them dies, and I got that and so much more. Of course, now I’m even more worried about how things will end, because we know that everyone who goes up against Bang-won ends up dead. I don’t want to see Sun-ho and Hwi both fall victim to Bang-won’s determination to rule the country, but I’m very scared that that’s where we’re heading now.

I know that Bang-won isn’t someone who should ever be trusted, and I’d suspected he knew more about Seo Geom’s death than he was telling Hwi, but I never expected him to be the one behind everything. I suppose it makes sense — Seo Geom was too loyal to the old regime, and commanded enough soldiers that he would have been a serious threat to Taejo’s revolution if he’d been allowed to live. I also understand now why Bang-won always gets very quiet whenever someone mentions Seo Geom. Most of all, it explains why Bang-won told Hwi, after killing Lord Nam, that he didn’t want Hwi to suffer the guilt of having killed a friend’s father like he suffers — Bang-won was talking about the guilt he feels for killing Hwi’s father.

I don’t think that any of this sits easily with Bang-won, in fact. I’ve always thought that Bang-won seemed kind of sad whenever he talks to Hwi, and I’d noticed that he usually changes the subject when Seo Geom is mentioned, I just never expected him to be the one who was responsible for framing him. I don’t understand whether Bang-won purposely used Hwi (and if so, why), or if he just took advantage of the weapon that was dropped into his lap, since Hwi approached him first. I’d like to give Bang-won the benefit of the doubt just a little, that he didn’t intend to use Hwi like he did, because he does seem conflicted. But Bang-won is a strategic genius, and he saw that the son was as talented as the father, and since Hwi seemed determined to join up with him it would have been stupid to refuse.

I am glad that Hwi and Sun-ho have finally reconciled, and I’m excited to see them fighting against Bang-won in the final episode, but I’m also pretty scared. I’ve managed not to get spoiled even though I’m writing this a bit late, but this drama has telegraphed almost from the beginning that the new country doesn’t have room for both Hwi and Sun-ho to live happily. They’re too principled and too hotheaded to let go of the injustices done to them, and I don’t blame them for that — they live in a world where you either fight, or you die. I’ve felt for a while now that Sun-ho won’t survive once Bang-won becomes king, but now Hwi has a damn good reason for fighting Bang-won himself. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m afraid they’ll both meet their ends soon… but at least there would be solace in the fact that they repaired their differences and went together in the end.

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Thanks for the recap @lollypip! I just finished this episode so it’s pretty fresh I’m my mind.

The first half was a bit of a downer. Ban-gan didn’t even make it to the hunting grounds. I thought we’d get sweeping landscapes with horses running amok, but instead we got a street fight. Sun-ho could have let them fight it out and then send his Jurchens in, but as Bang Won said, Sun-ho doesn’t see the big picture.

The second half was very exciting. I’m so glad the Stabby OTP has finally reconciled. I knew the only way for our OTP to be together is if Hwi abandons Bang Won or is abandoned, but I didn’t expect the twist that Bang Won framed Seo Geom.

I got the impression, however, from Seo Geom’s words to Bang Won, that Bang Won framed him to help his father, probably after hearing another indirect order... If so then Taejo is being super hypocritical in trying to get revenge for Seo Geom as an excuse to suppress Bang Won. I just don’t get why Bang Won sneered at Lord Nam that Seo Geom should have been the one next to Taejo, since it’s very clear Seo Geom was a Goryeo loyalist... hopefully that’s cleared up in the final episode (which I still haven’t seen, no spoilers please!)

RIP Immortal Jurchen. I hadn’t realised that he actually became a friend, not a minion, to Sun-ho. I’m sad he got impaled so thoroughly and right in the middle, since chances of survival are usually high in this drama if stabbed with a sword.

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My Stabby OTP is together again. ❤️⚔️❤️

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I had the same sense from this episode, that Bang Won was doing King Taejo's bidding by framing Seo Geom.

Immortal Jurchen should've officially become one of Hwi's merry men, then he'd still be alive regardless of the mortal stab wound.

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Stabby OTP hahaha, how apt

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I'll give credit where it's due: @ndlessjoie called them Stabby OTP first.

I have to say Bang Won could make the most lethal rejected second lead ever.

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Sorry, deleted a spoiler.

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Bang Won makes most lethal anything. I am kinda missing his fan though...

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@Toki I think they decided to go with the history. Bang-gan and Bang-won did duke it out on the street.

I think the older generation who watches sageuks wouldn't have finish this show because King Taejo is basically downright evil and heartless here for using his sons.

Historically, Taejo stepped down and put the oldest on the throne #2 Bang-gwa (#1 was already passes away) so his sons won't fight over the throne. This is what he should have done in the first place.
Unfortunately, the damage was done once he chose the youngest. It opened the door for all to claim the throne and blame it on their father's first choice.

I like the different perspective that we are given but I also felt that it went a bit too far with Taejo and Bang-won too so maybe that's why we didn't get the rating that we wanted.

Seo Geom was just another Poeun who would never turned on Goryeo no matter what. Another Goryeo loyalist to be killed so Bang-won can say he killed more than Poeun for his father therefore he deserves the bloody throne more than any of his brothers.

I think he made that remarks to Lord Nam about Seo Geom as a threat maybe?

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@kiara Oh ok, so it was a street fight. Sometimes this show follows the history in its most mundane aspects lol.

I can't with this evil Taejo anymore. I'm watching JEONG DO-JEON after this to get my facts straight. I'll tag you in my posts, sometime around mid-December.

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Lol right? Yea it was a street fight in the middle of the day.

I love some of the changes that they made in the beginning because it made sense but then it made less and less sense to me towards the end.

I can still say I love MY COUNTRY and I really wanted it to do well because of the amazing work that was poured into it by the actors, director etc. But when it comes to the writing, it made me miss how skillful and fascinating NOKDU FLOWER was.

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Maybe their target was geared towards the mainstream audience? I think this might be a good middle ground to reel in international viewers who may not know Korean history and still enjoy the drama.

I was telling my non-drama watching friend about this recently and I think she might have dozed off when I started talking about King Taejo, King Taejong and King SeJong. But she kinda perked up when I said she might be interested in the real game of thrones!

As a Korean drama aficionado, I really want more people to appreciate what Korean dramas have to offer. And this may be a good jump off point. It affects me a bit when people have negative preconceived ideas about what dramas are all about. And I feel like this is a drama where I can be happy to share with them or maybe surprise them how good the actors are, the cinematography.....

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@mei123db It’s fun to analyse a drama’s take on history, but I also I have no problem in watching the drama on its own terms, as long as it’s logical. For the most part MY COUNTRY makes sense to me.

I’m curious about their target audience too, especially considering that JTBC has signed a deal with Netflix. *shudders*

If the drama was aimed at an international audience like you and me, they do succeed in keeping us invested in the fictional characters. However, I don’t think they provide enough context for us to follow the events. There are several time skips and things happening off screen. If they’re targeting Korean audiences, it’s ok to assume they will be familiar with the events and historical characters, but not international audiences.

Korean audiences may also not like the rewrite of history and famous kings, which partly explain lower ratings. So, it’s a delicate task to balance out the needs and desires of local and international audiences. I think we can all agree that merely keeping the 20 episodes would have helped a lot.

I’m off to watch episode 16 now! I hope it wraps up nicely.

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I wonder how popular it was on Netflix and if it was profitable enough with the mainstream audience on it's own.
I think if we combine the main stream audience and local ratings MY COUNTRY would probably be considered a success.
I'm reluctant to call it a success alone on local ratings since it's budget was 17 million.

JEONG DO-JEON is still the highest rated drama in the last 5yrs that is based on the establishment of Joseon. It's the most authentic drama of this era with no made up romance to lure in more women and the younger generation.
The majority of the audience were middle age men.

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I’m curious as to why it had a late time slot (11pm). What are the viewing habits of Koreans? Maybe this have contributed to drama’s mediocre rating?

It does take some delicate balancing act catering to a diverse audience.

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They were trying to avoid competing with VAGABOND and they probably thought that it would be more appealing to the older generation.
I wouldn't let a kid under 13 watch this show.

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@mei123db That's just the timeslot for Jtbc dramas on Fridays/Saturdays. Their most successful dramas have been in that timeslot so I don't think it had anything to do with the ratings.

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@wishfultoki, @kiara Do you where I can watch JEONG DO-JEON ? I'm in US (Northeast) and can't find it on any (legal) site. Thanks!

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I'm not sure why KBS doesn't upload it with Eng subs on their Youtube channel so we can watch it legally.
I've only been able to watch it at dramacool.

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I found it on ondemandkorea but with no English subtitles... so I guess there's no legal option at the moment. :(

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Bang Won was always so vague about Seo Geom and so many people warned Hwi about Bang Won that I'd been suspecting the twist for a while. I got the impression that Bang Won did it for his father too, and his father knew and was fine with it until it was a card he could use against Bang Won. Taejo was really a piece of work in this drama.

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Also, no question in my mind that Hwi’s father was killed by BW at his father’s orders (obliquely delivered I’m sure). As the show keeps telling us, for people like Taejo, Bang-won, etc. all others are just game pieces to be used and thrown away.

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From another perspective, I think Bang-won did it for himself.

In earlier episodes Taejo said to Bang-won that he didn't ask him to kill Poeun so I think Bang-won could have done it to earn more merits too. To justify his blood path to the throne.
That's what he is throwing back at his father. That he was his sword so therefore he deserve the throne more than his brothers.
Even when his father chose Bang-gwa (the eldest) Bang-won was not going to let him rule. At least he was honest about wanting to be king.

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I was just happy to see Hwi and Seon Ho reconciled!

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Yay! It looks like I finished this episode just in time! Omigosh, I couldn’t believe Ban-won was the instigator of Seo Geum’s death ultimately either, but what tore me was Sun-ho’s reaction! It just shows you how long Bang-won’s end game was, over decades! And yes, I’m glad our true OTP is together again as well!!!

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The reveal was really well handled! I'd swear that it was Bang gan who told Daddy Taejo about Hwi! Looking back, Bangwon's interactions with Hwi make more sense now, he likes him but there's always a feeling of fear and sadness, he's never at ease next to him (although, truth be said, Bangwon never chills)

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I could. Everything about Bang won is calculating and people are disposable to him.

I never understood why Hwi put all his eggs in Bang won's basket when he has seen time and time and time again what that man was capable of. The lack of awareness is why I always threw my hands in the air re: Hwi.

But he did redeem himself a little bit when he finally said what he said to Seon ho, who once again just broke my heart this episode. Preparing to meet Yeon in the afterlife and then when he went over to Song rok and just broke down, Woo Do Hwan nailed it. Again.

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I guess it happened because Hwi actually cared and liked Bang Won and their bond over the years...Hwi is the type that once forges a relationship will be loyal till the end or hold as much as possible to it...I really think he cared and liked Bang Won a lot and like he said this one braught him comfort when he was at his darkest moment and he actually trusted him as well...

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It was good to see Hwi and Sun Ho reconcile. I didn't expect the revelation that Bang Won was the one I've who framed Seo Geom. I was shocked too. Also didn't expect that I would actually cry at Sung Rok's death. He had become such a loyal friend to Sun Ho.

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The twist reveal was clever! I didn’t see that one coming. And now I want to backtrack on all the interactions between Bang-Won and Hwi. When he tells him about regret one feels for killing a friend’s father... it must have been very conflicting and so much torture for Bang-won. He does have a soft spot for Hwi and he knows their bond is fragile and will break the moment Hwi finds out the truth. The betrayal that Hwi must’ve felt though...

I’ve always brushed off Bangwon’s ruthlessness as a historical fact and didn’t question his intentions much on the ways he went to achieve his vision. But this drama takes it to a deeper and personal level with Seo Geom and Hwi’s story woven into the narrative.

Sometimes I can’t help but wonder whether all these deaths are really necessary. When the sword fight between Bang-gan and Bang-won’s men with Hwi, SunHo and everyone turned into a slow-motion scene, that really got to me.

As for our Stabby OTP, I’m so glad they had the chance to mend their bond. It’s what I had always been hoping for.

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The show really drives home how the way to the throne turns you into a monster and that Bangwon will end up alone, feared by all his closest people

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I have to give it to Bang-won. He knew what he was doing and the price that he has to pay to wear the crown.
He wanted power and he has a plan to do good with it.

I can't say the same with the likes of King Injo and his supporters who over-threw a competent King Gwanghae and ruined Joseon.

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Any good dramas about Gwanghae? The Crowned Clown does not count.

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@Snow Flower

Unfortunately there is not a lot of sageuks based on Gwanghae alone.
In Gyo-jin, our doc Moon-bok portrayed Gwanghae in "Hur Jun, The Original Story" but the focus was on Doctor Heo.

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It is a pity. His life and reign can provide a lot of material for a tragic drama...

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@ Snow Flower,
I became a Gwanghaegun fan after seeing Seo In-guk's portrayal in the THE KING'S FACE. I also enjoyed Cha Seung-won's portrayal in HWAJUNG / SPLENDID POLITICS. I'll admit that my eyes glazed over at times because of the politics and cast-of-thousandsitis. But I was fascinated by Gwanghaegun's efforts to develop Joseon's ability to produce its own gunpowder, firearms, and artillery. Kim Jae-won gave a dandy portrayal of Prince Neungyang / King Injo as a powerless monarch beholden to the yangban oligarchs who put him on the throne.

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@pakalanapikake

I have to give it to you. I bailed out pretty fast. When they have that many veterans sleep walking through their roles I knew I was done lol.

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The writer of Nokdu Flower should write a drama about Gwanghae.

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“ regret one feels for killing a friend’s father“

Yes, BW was talking about himself. Nicely done...

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For a clever guy, Sun ho really has a way to fail in all his plans! The Jurchen subplot was really an hassle for nothing, Sun ho has literally failed in every single one of his manoeuvres in the entire series. This said, I must admit that after suffering stabby-tiredness syndrome, this drama pulled me in again in this episode! I was just so happy to see the boys together! This show had them together way to little, they have such a great chemistry!

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Because he had no allies or support. Everytime he tried there was never anyone who saw what he was truly capable of. This is the reason that he wanted a new country, no amount of education or money will never make up for pedigree.

They never looked past the fact that he was conceived through a relationship with a Lord and a concubine. Because it is always the woman's fault and when they are done destroying her go after the kid.

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Rest in peace, Sungrok! At least Jurchen Terminator got a proper send-off! (I'm salty about other characters not being so lucky, but not gonna put spoilers in here)

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Moon Bok gave me a scare this episode, especially after all the lovey dovey scenes he had with Hwa Wool previously. I am glad he's okay.

I know Sung Rok is loyal, but I did not expect him to stick to Sun Ho even to the point of risking his life. Now I am sad that he's gone.

I am glad our OTP finally got together, but I am mad at the writer for letting it happened so late. Apparently, what it takes is a heart-to-heart talk and why can't it happen earlier?

I am also mad at the writer for giving Sun Ho the Hee Jae bug. I thought you play the long game, Sun Ho!

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At first, I was actually a little annoyed with Sung-rok for fueling SunHo’s thirst for power and leading him to a Jurchen camp. He was like that Second Lead vying for the lead’s affections. SunHo would not have taken a detour if not for him. But yeah, towards the end, he did become extremely protective of SunHo. I think he saw through what Hwi and SunHo have. He might have been surprised at such friendship that Hwi would help him bring SunHo to a cave after he was injured. Sung-rok’s death was the most painful to watch this episode. And it hit SunHo really hard too.

I’m almost scared to ask— what is the HeeJae bug??

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Haha. Hee Jae bug = when it comes to Hwi, I lost all my ability to think/reason. 😋

I get that he felt indignant on Hwi's behalf that Bang Won killed his dad and used him, but surely, there's better way to handle this than to storm right into BW's den. And he lost Sung Rok, for what?!

Also for keeping it a secret from Hwi. I thought he'd learned that two is better than one. If they talked things through, perhaps there's a better way. I know... I know... communication is not the strong suit for our Stabby Couple. Still....

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Oh that bug!

I think our Stabby Couple’s love communication is rough and tumble action.

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Noble idiocy, or simple idiocy? Now that I've decided that Seun ho is not that smart, his decisions make a lot more sense and I like the show better than when I kept shouting "why-why-why?" at my laptop screen. I don't mind him being dim, still love him 😋

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Haha. Good for you. I guess I caught the Hee Jae bug too. I just can't.

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I love him enough for all of us @msrabbit.

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@ndlessjoie Thanks for showering him with a much-deserved love. I love him too, just not the noble idiocy. I almost wish he could just turn all bloody evil ala Yeol Moo in TON.

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Not that difficult as he actually wanted to die that night,storming into Bang Won's house was the fastest...We know till now that Sun Ho has a more tragic mindset and thinks he can carry the burden all alone and didn't tell Hwi for that reason as well,he didn't want to follow in a obvious death...That way if he succeded in killing Bang Won was fine if not he could finally die as he is already too tired...Sun Ho is pretty much looking or yelling for death for years and after making up with Hwi he thinks he is an even bigger burden to the later one...

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But where did Hwi fit in in this scenario? How will it benefit Hwi if he dies and Hwi didn't know anything about BW and continues to be used by him?

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@Ms. Rabbit 🐇 Hwi would stop trying to save him putting his own life in danger knowing everytime the later one would try to kill Bang Won Hwi would save him and turn his back on Bang Won again and again when the moment of choosing came making a strain in his relationship...Actually,Sun Ho had the easy answer at his hand yet failed to see it from the start blinded by all the other stuff,like living with Hwi and his dear ones in a far away place and live a simple life far away from politics and danger...

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I think this just shows the two friends are so much alike in as much as they are different. They are both stubborn and impulsive. They both just want to protect each other in their own way. Sometimes without thinking of the consequences.

I really thought this was going to be the end for SunHo though. I was so scared for him storming into Bang-won’s territory all by himself. You don’t go into a Tiger’s lair without a good plan!

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@miky88 yea, that would be a good way out, but we know that is not the way our Stabby Couple will choose even if they know it's an option. They will always choose to protect the other and the ones they love.

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@mei123db The lack of plan surprised me, especially coming from Sun Ho. I was hoping for some awesome collaboration in this penultimate episode since now they finally get tobwork together.

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@kiara @pakalanapikake @marcusnyc20 and all other Sageuk Beanies! Did you know we have one more sageuk this year?
TV Chosun's SELECTION: THE WAR BETWEEN WOMEN. I was about to close my list of 2019 dramas, but it looks like I will check it out! There's murder, mystery, intrigue, and apparently female doppelgangers.

Teasers and brief synopsis here: http://asianwiki.com/Selection:_The_War_Between_Women

The teasers and supporting cast look good, and it's by the PD of GRAND PRINCE and PRINCESS MAN. Jin Se Yeon is not a favorite of mine, but I think she's at her best when acting fierce and revengeful, which is likely to be the case here.

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I'm sorry I just can't stand her in sageuks. I'd rather watch Seolhyun again.
With all the talented actresses who rocks in this genre they have to keep picking her. *Sigh*

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Maybe she’s the only I’ve that will do them? And her sageuk speech is pretty good too?

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Jin has done a lot of sageuks and still someone like Seolhyun with just 2 sageuks has improved so much.
Seolhyun still have a long way to go but I'd cheer for an actress/actor who tries hard and who shows some kind of passion for acting like her and IU.

I watched too many sageuks to put up with another bland acting from a lead actress.

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That's ok. I'm not sure I will stick with it myself, since I suffered a lot from her blandness in GRAND PRINCE. Maybe she has a contract or something with TV Chosun or this PD?

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I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm sageuk out for the year. I want something fun, adventurous and exciting for a change and THE MANDOLORIAN is doing it for me.

I do hope it'll be a good sageuk regardless and you can say that I missed out :).

Btw where is our @pakalanapikake these days? I hope she is doing well.

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I think @pakalanapikake might be snowed in or recovering from Thanksgiving. *sending a Bbaya radio signal to check she's ok*

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@pakalanapikake, @kiara, @wishfultoki,
I scrolled through comments looking specifically for what @pakalanapikake had to say. Even tho I mostly hang out on the sidelines reading what other DBs have to say, I have had enough exchanges w/@pakalanapikake to think she may live near me. If so, we've been socked in by snow and ice with no power and even when power comes back on, no internet connection (ours just came on this a.m. after being out for days). So hopefully she is OK and just suffering from weather-related lack of utilities. Hope so. Hope you are OK!

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Saeguk or not, she is bland. Her real personality seems to be really fun and easy going though. Dunno what happens there.

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Let me know how it is. I think my heart might be broken enough for one year though.

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Thanks @wishfultoki for the heads up for SELECTION. 2019 has been a great Sageuk Year. One more to go. Well I am concerned about availability (on legitimate sites that is). I haven’t seen this drama on any coming soon list. I tell you the leads make a nice couple on SELECTION’s AsianWiki page photo:
http://asianwiki.com/images/5/5a/Selection-_The_War_Between_Women-P1.jpg
Re the casting of Jin Se-yeon. I only know her from GRAND PRINCE which I enjoyed. I know there are folks who don’t care for her. Lol though I am reminded about the hug session the 3 GP leads had fulfilling a ratings challenge. Remember? JSY was the most comfortable. YSY seemed to enjoy it but Joo Sang-wook seemed the most at ease. I am going down memory lane.
Run the video at Soompi here:
https://www.soompi.com/article/1167431wpp/yoon-shi-yoon-jin-se-yeon-joo-sang-wook-fulfill-promise-holding-free-hug-event-grand-prince

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I know! I haven’t seen it promoted on legal sites (or indeed anywhere) so it completely evaded my radar. Maybe ondemandkorea will have it?

I remember watching their behind the scenes and their fun interviews. Remember this? They’re trying to use American slang: https://youtu.be/_dyMlP2bJys

She seemed so at ease there. I don’t know why it doesn’t usually translate onto the screen.

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Very nice video. Great idea for OnDemandKorea (of which I am a paid subscriber) to pick up (and sub) this drama. It still peeves me the way ODK treated JOSEON SURVIVAL. This would be one way to make amends.
(Mini-correction above: “Joo Sang-wook seemed the most ill at ease”.)

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Well @wishfultoki what do you know. You did something! SELECTION: THE WAR BETWEEN WOMEN is now on Viki’s “Coming Soon” list of course under a different title: QUEEN: LOVE AND WAR.

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Whoa. I'm amazed at my own psychic abilities LOL

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@marcusnyc20, @wishfultoki

I'll be rooting for this sageuk to do well for your sake and TV Chosun.

It looks like it's not based on any rl historical figures so that's good.

Sometimes I wish MY COUNTRY was all fiction so I can enjoy it as it is.

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@wishfultoki,
I am in a rush because I am leaving tonight for 8 nights in Germany so I will still be in catchup mode when I return.
I did finish episode 16 of MY COUNTRY today and I was very pleased with the drama. Kudos to everyone especially if I may to Woo Do-hwan. All I can say right now.
I will be just back in time for QUEEN.

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@marcusnyc20 bong-soo,

Here's hoping you have a lovely time in Deutschland. ;-)

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Story line sounds like Yanxi Palace, except in that one she was less ambitious and only went in as palace maid but ended up queen.

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Eek I haven’t watched that one yet! 🙈 I could have guessed that she ends up as Queen though.

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Haha. It's according to history, so I guess it's not a spoiler? 😋

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I am ignorant of Chinese history. But as long as you don’t spoil me on whether she’s a living queen or a dead one by the end we’re ok. 🤓

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What? Hahaha now I have to watch it. 😂

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I am not familiar with the actors, but the premise sounds interesting. The real question is, will there be tragic swordsmen in this drama? This shallow ahjumma wants to know...

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It didn’t seem so... it looks like it will focus on women.

If you’re looking for tortured handsome swordsmen, how about FAITH? Or Jang Hyuk’s earlier drama CHUNO? If you have any favourites do share, for ahem, research purposes.

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Research purposes, haha!
I have seen both of them. Faith is the very first kdrama I saw and Chuno is my all time favorite. 6 Flying Dragons, Queen Seondeok, Warrior Baek Dong Su, Mr. Sunshine all feature tragic swordsmen. I am open to other suggestions as well. But I will try any well written sageuk, with or without the tragic swordsman. I am thinking about trying King's Daughter next.

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Queen for 7 days? There's a tragic swordsman in that one! I'm watching Empress Ki. It's entertaining, but a bit heavy on the makjang front. No tragic swordsman in sight, but in exchange you get Ji Chang Wook's charming coward prince!

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I saw both of these dramas earlier this year. I think Wang Yu from Empress Ki also qualifies as TS.

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@snowflower I've seen all those hehe.

The first tragic swordsmen I encountered were in KINGDOM OF THE WINDS (the Goguryeo sequel to JUMONG), including Crown Prince Haemyeong and the second lead Do-jin.

JUMONG itself has some marvellous arrow shooting scenes and swordfights. I cried litres over both dramas. Highly recommended.

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@ Snow Flower, @wishfultoki, @flyingcolours,

If you're looking for tragic swordsmen, take a gander at DAMO: THE LEGENDARY POLICEWOMAN with Ha Ji-won in the title role. (She's also in the movie version, DUELIST, with Gang Dong-won as the enigmatic swordsman "Sad Eyes.") DAMO is so tragic it inspired Lee Sun-hee to compose "Inyeon" (usually rendered as "Fate" or "Destiny") which was used in the OST of THE KING AND THE CLOWN.

The 2008 Kdrama BICHEONMU / THE DANCE IN THE SKY is ultra-tragic. In it, Joo Jin-mo plays the scion of a Goryeo lineage of swordmasters. The Chinese version of this joint production was released in 2006 under the title FEI TIAN WU. I'd love to see its 33 episodes, but don't think it's available with English subtitles. I've read that it makes more sense than the 14-episode version what was broadcast in Korea because so much of the back story ended up on the cutting room floor. (Why?! It was already in the can.) Even so, it's one of my favorites. The cinematography is gorgeous, with lots of galloping across grasslands, battles in the tops of bamboo groves, and fights in dye yards full of hanging fabric. The OST is beautiful.

Re: THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SOO BAEK HYANG, there are several truly tragic characters, and some epic battle scenes of hand-to-hand combat. Lee Jae-ryong is utterly kickass as the future King Muryeong. (He's currently appearing as an eeevil hospital heir in CHOCOLATE. I'd give my eye teeth to see him in another sageuk.) Yoon Tae-young is fabulous as a former Goguryeo spy in Baekje. His martial arts scenes are spellbinding. (He was great in LEGEND / THE STORY OF THE FIRST KING'S FOUR GODS, wherein he gave Yonsama a run for the money.)

I second the recommendations for JUMONG (Manseh, Hae Mo-su!) and KINGDOM OF THE WIND. Song Il-kook is magnificent in both Goguryeo epics, which have memorable characters and wonderful casts. For me, ARTHDAL CHRONICLES came up short after having watched these old-school dramas and the Gojoseon fantasy LEGEND.

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Thank you for the recommendations @pakalanapikake! That reminds me I have yet to watch DAMO! 😱

One of my dreams is to gallop across grasslands so any drama with plenty of that suits me... I’ll see if I can find FEI TAN MU or it’s Korean counterpart. I recently watched the film MUSA: THE WARRIOR and loved Jo Jin Moo as the stern warrior with a chip on his shoulder.

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@wishfultoki,
Thank you for the news of SELECTION, which I hadn't heard a peep about until your heads-up. I'm not sure I could endure another catfight in the palace so soon after FLOWER CREW: JOSEON MARRIAGE AGENCY, which had a classic horrid female second lead who IMHO didn't get the comeuppance she so richly deserved. (Truth to tell, I wasn't all that enamored of the female protagonist at times.) I mainly tuned in for Kim Min-jae and Seo Ji-hoon, who acquitted themselves well.

@kiara put a bug in my ear that prompted me to watch the opening episode of CRUEL PALACE: WAR OF FLOWERS to see King Injo kowtow to the Qing Emperor, which was epic. But the main story line is about the machinations of Royal Consort Gwi-in of the Okcheon Jo clan. Before I knew it, I'd watched the first 6 episodes. It drew me right in. I'm interested in watching CRUEL PALACE for its relationship to tragic Sohyun Seja, whose return with his family from their time as hostages of the Yuan dynasty was part of CHUNO.

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I have a soft spot for the Crown Prince Sohyun and that's also another reason why I can't stand king Injo.

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@kiara,
Another admirer of Sohyun Seja here. I was fascinated to read of his openmindedness and interest in Western science and philosophy, and his acquaintance with Jesuit missionaries at court in China. He brought translations of the Bible into Chinese back home with him. If I understand correctly, Donghak later arose as a reaction against the kind of "Western learning" that Sohyun Seja introduced to Joseon. Had he lived and reigned as king, I wonder how Joseon might have developed differently.

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@pakalanapikake I didn’t know FLOWER CREW turned into a catfight so I’m definitely scratching that one off my list.

Oooh I’m a fan of Crown Prince Sohyun since I watched CHUONO and the lighter THREE MUSKETEERS. I absolutely loved Lee Jin-Wook as Seja and our girl Seo Hyun-Jin as his princess. Guess I’m adding CROWN PALACE to that never-ending list!

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Edit: CRUEL PALACE. I hate typing on my phone.

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@wishfultoki,
In FLOWER CREW, there's a Pygmalion subplot that ties in with the queen selection. But the female second lead was bad news right out of the starting gate, and went downhill from there. (Given the kind of person her father was, it's not surprising.) Nonetheless, I enjoyed some of the matchmaking shenanigans in the beginning. In certain respects, the drama reminded me of 100 DAYS MY PRINCE, but with a birth secret instead of amnesia.

THREE MUSKETEERS has been on my to-watch list. I'd love to see Seo Hyun-jin in another sageuk, so maybe it's about time I deem it an emergency and break the glass already. LOL. ;-)

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Ahhh,the moment of their reconcilation is sooo poignant and amazing at the same time...
I can say i saw it coming the second Taejo mentioned wanting to clear Seo Geom's name that Bang Won was the one who framed it making it the more heartbreaking for Hwi...Another friendship worth mentioning was that of the loyal Sung-rok,who stayed by Sun Ho's side till his last breath...It was heartbreaking seeing Sun Ho loosing before his eyes yet another dear person...
Also,don't know if it's just me but when Hwi gave back the missing ribbon i understood it actually as him protecting Yeon's last memory and gift for him till this day with his words rather than him(i guess it can be both ways meaning)...I guess Sun Ho is or was from the very beginning the weaker one in the emotional departament among the two,the more gentle one that broke to pieces a long time ago,glad that he had such a stubborn friend in Hwi who never wants to give up on him making it a blessing and yet heartbreaking as well...

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What a great story! And how can you make me admire a character I hated-- Sung-rok, and hate a character I like, Band-won?
I didn't see any way for Hwi and Sun-ho to reunite, but this is totally believable. And I also think Sun-ho stabbed Hwi to keep him from getting killed at the ambush. Great job, writer! Great job actors! Great job Drama!

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I wasn’t expecting the twist. It was a great way to wreck Hwi’s and Bang Won’s relationship. It made Bang Won’s subtle emotions/past remarks more meaningful like the one mentioned below.

Most of all, it explains why Bang-won told Hwi, after killing Lord Nam, that he didn’t want Hwi to suffer the guilt of having killed a friend’s father like he suffers — Bang-won was talking about the guilt he feels for killing Hwi’s father.

Who knew Sung Rok would be so impactful? I keep thinking of him after this episode, puzzled by my feelings. I was pretty sure he’d be a throwaway character in the beginning. An antagonist/thorn in Hwi’s side. However, he wasn’t much of a menace at all.

I’m impressed with how his arc smoothly fit in with the rest of the story. Sun Ho’s reaction to his death was heartbreaking. I was a little surprised at the amount of screentime Sung Rok had in the end. Did the director/writer really have to be so cruel with that last blow by Tae Ryong? Right in front of Sun Ho’s face??? It was too much.

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I actually finished watching the drama last week (Netflix was a couple of days late posting the episodes) and I'm soooo excited to talk about it with you guys!!!

Anyways...I said to my fellow kdrama/kpop friend after watching 2 episodes of this drama that I am already preparing myself for an ending that will make me cry. This episode gave me teary-eyed moments watching Hwi take care of Seonho. Again, I just want to hug Seonho and Hwi. They went through so much and sometimes I just think that these could've all been prevented if they just talked it out (but then we wont have kdramas if people just talk about their issues and don't do anything to put things into motion).

I sometimes laugh at myself thinking that there is a love triangle here with Hwi-Seonho-Bang Won LOL Seonho and Bang Won going after each other is just a result of jealousy.

The big secret reveal also ties up the story more tightly for me and putting everything in place giving me "aha" moments as it makes me understand more why Bang Won behaves that way towards Hwi.

This drama has made me more curious about South Korea's history and their kings and the different dynasties. I often Google their names and read about them after watching an episode. I never did this for other sageuks that I watched.

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JoyCB,

If you liked My Country, you will probably like Six Flying Dragons, another sageuk that deals with the same time period and also features Bang Won (played by awesome actor Yoo Ah In).
More informatiion on Korean history and the dramas inspired by it can be found at the website The Talking Cupboard.

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I watched Six Flying Dragons as it aired :) yeah I really liked it!

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*Pouting, sulking in the corner* Not saying anything as I am sooo pi$$ed off. 😤

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I must say I loved the music--but not much else. Too much blood--too much blood on faces! I really thought "Six Flying Dragons," told this story better, and I enjoyed it much more. Jang Hyuk makes a terrific bad guy. So far I've only seen him as a bad guy in one other Kdrama, "The Client," and that one kept you guessing to the very end if he was evil or good.

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