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Itaewon Class: Episode 8

Danbam continues to take hits, but the more adversity our hero faces, the stronger he seems to come out on the other end, much to the chagrin of his nemesis. It’s gratifying to see the little guy not only stand up against the Big Bad, but get under his skin. Alas, antagonizing the enemy only puts you on their radar and we can only hope Sae-ro-yi knows what he’s doing… for his sake as well as those who believe in him.

  
EPISODE 8 RECAP

Sae-ro-yi calls the new owner of Danbam’s location to negotiate the raised rent and his smile vanishes as President Jang cackles back over the line. President Jang coyly denies any motives beyond a good business investment, further praising Sae-ro-yi for raising his company’s stock. He invites Sae-ro-yi to visit Jang Ga HQ tomorrow and hangs up. Turning back to his Danbam crew, Sae-ro-yi confirms that Jang Ga is responsible. Fury blazing in her eyes, Yi-seo rails on Soo-ah for shamelessly borrowing Danbam’s ice and starts to attack Geun-soo for working there when Sae-ro-yi bellows at her to knock it off.

He warns her not to say anything more and Yi-seo snatches Soo-ah’s ice bucket on her way out of the pub. Dumping the contents onto the sidewalk, Yi-seo grinds the ice beneath her boots before storming off down the street. Inside, Geun-soo offers to fetch her while Soo-ah takes her leave. Sae-ro-yi apologizes for Yi-seo’s outburst and Soo-ah comments that he and Yi-seo are awfully close. She agrees with Yi-seo, saying she feels too bad to borrow ice and leaves.

Geun-won is at Jang Ga Pub when Soo-ah returns with ice from the store. She rolls her eyes as he insists on carrying the bag and grins that she can ask him for favors outside of the office. Vying for a date, Geun-won tells Soo-ah he has a spare musical ticket and she finally stops to look at him. “Do you like me?” she asks coolly. Geun-won smiles sheepishly and confirms he does. “I don’t like you,” Soo-ah answers, snatching the ice back. His expression hardening, Geun-won demands if it’s because of Sae-ro-yi.

Soo-ah: “Because of ajusshi, the one you hit with your car and killed. He was like a father to me. So please… Stop hitting on me.”

The next day, Sae-ro-yi pays President Jang a visit at Jang Ga HQ. Right off the bat, President Jang suggests Sae-ro-yi sell the building quickly in order to secure the premium Danbam racked up. He warns that the Lease Protection Act won’t save Danbam, as President Jang can basically do whatever he wants. President Jang adds that he could even complain about the wall they busted down… but he doesn’t care about being petty. (Ooohhh what a lie)

Having calmly listened to the entire spiel, Sae-ro-yi asks what he does want. President Jang orders Sae-ro-yi to release Geun-soo and Sae-ro-yi retorts that Geun-soo’s decision. President Jang questions whether having Geun-soo work for him boosts Sae-ro-yi’s self-esteem. He sneers that Geun-soo called Sae-ro-yi strong and that he plans to show Geun-soo what real strength is. President Jang is aware of Sae-ro-yi’s tenacity and vows to buy every building Sae-ro-yi tries to set up business in.

“Is that your definition of power?” Sae-ro-yi asks. President Jang confidently declares that he can easily control and influence all of Sae-ro-yi’s achievements. Sae-ro-yi doesn’t respond so President Jang continues that this all started because Sae-ro-yi was too stubborn to get on his knees. “What would I get for ruining your life?” President Jang asks and says the way to fix the situation is for Sae-ro-yi to correct his behavior and kneel.

Sae-ro-yi asks if kneeling will mean he can continue his business. President Jang agrees, chiding Sae-ro-yi that he can’t get what he wants by being emotional. He promises to put the past behind them and stop taking things from Sae-ro-yi. “What I want out of this fight isn’t money,” Sae-ro-yi corrects, “Because I am… your enemy.” He explains that the day he got expelled, Dad told him he was proud. “Getting expelled? Getting kicked out?” Sae-ro-yi scoffs, “You took absolutely nothing from me.” He says that power comes from people because their trust gives him strength, vowing to become even stonger.

President Jang sneers that if Danbam fails, Sae-ro-yi will lose his people, but Sae-ro-yi counters that they’re the reason he can continue to run it. He turns to go, and President Jang calls out this was his last chance and that he’ll regret it. Turning back, Sae-ro-yi says there’s only one way their ill-fated relationship ends – with President Jang kneeling and receiving punishment for his sins.

On his way out, Sae-ro-yi runs into Soo-ah. He tells her he met President Jang and Danbam will have to move. “I’m just upset my plan to make you quit is going to take longer than expected,” he smiles. Sae-ro-yi leaves, saying he’ll see her later in Itaewon. Meanwhile, Ho-jin catches Min-jung up to speed and they both agree that it would be smart for Sae-ro-yi to work on Min-jung’s business, rather than trying to revive Danbam. She muses that Sae-ro-yi must be discouraged, but Ho-jin assures her that while he may feel upset, throughout their 10-year friendship, he’s never seen Sae-ro-yi discouraged.

Geun-soo catches up to Yi-seo on their way to work, but she’s salty at the Jang family and shuts him down. Frustrated, Geun-soo demands she explain and Yi-seo agrees. By the time they arrive at work, everyone is already there. Hyun-yi good-naturedly chides Yi-seo for leaving yesterday, adding that Sae-ro-yi was particularly worried. He blinks back at her and she grins cheekily. Hee. Yi-seo asks what the battle plan is and Sae-ro-yi suggests they eat first.

Soo-ah approaches President Jang in his office to ask about the acquisition of Danbam’s location. He warns her he’s in a bad mood, but she pushes ahead, saying he’s acting out of character. Soo-ah admits that while President Jang is a shrewd businessman, even when his choices defied social custom it was all for the good of the company. This, however, seems like an emotional decision. President Jang silences her and kicks her out of his office. Recalling Sae-ro-yi’s parting words, President Jang wonders if he really considers “that little kid” his enemy.

Over drinks, Seung-kwon excitedly tells Tony the story of his and Sae-ro-yi’s first fight while Hyun-yi grumbles that he’s told it a million times. Sae-ro-yi notices Yi-seo and Geun-soo’s sour expressions, but Yi-seo denies they fought. Seung-kwon waves it off, saying they fight all the time and suggests going clubbing for round 2. Hyun-yi snickers that he must’ve had a lot of fun last time and Seung-kwon shushes her. Having never been clubbing, Sae-ro-yi asks if it’s fun and Seung-kwon jumps up to give him a lesson.

He starts Yi-seo’s spiel about smiling and announcing your presence, but when he moves close, Sae-ro-yi tells him to sit down. Heh. As they make their way to the club, Seung-kwon continues the lesson for Tony and Sae-ro-yi sends them all ahead so he can have a word with Geun-soo. Once they’re alone, Geun-soo admits Yi-seo spilled the beans and asks why Sae-ro-yi never told him. Sae-ro-yi replies that it’s between him and Geun-won and President Jang.

In turn, Sae-ro-yi asks why Geun-soo came to work for him. Geun-soo shrugs that he wanted money but Sae-ro-yi says it looked like he needed someone to lean on. Sae-ro-yi: “I thought Danbam and I might be able to give you something to lean on.” Geun-soo bristles at being pitied, but Sae-ro-yi insists he merely sees himself in Geun-soo. He apologizes for not considering Geun-soo’s feelings when he found out about Sae-ro-yi’s past. Crying, Geun-soo apologizes for his family and swears that they’ll pay. Sae-ro-yi just pulls him into a hug.

The rest of Danbam enters the club, but while the girls and Seung-kwon easily gain access, the bouncer turns Tony away, declaring citizens from Africa and the Middle East aren’t welcome. Tony cheerfully replies that he’s Korean, but the bouncer calls for security when Tony doesn’t produce his passport. Hyun-yi and Seung-kwon leap to Tony’s defense, but Yi-seo suggests they just leave. Tony desperately insists that he’s Korean, but Yi-seo rudely points out he has dark skin.

Tearing up, Tony calls her on being mean and runs out. Just arriving, Sae-ro-yi calls after him and then asks the others what happened. Yi-seo matter-of-factly says that the club doesn’t accept Africans. She says the owner has a right to refuse service and sighs that Tony got all upset when she didn’t side with him. Sae-ro-yi is startled and warns Yi-seo that she’s been getting on his nerves since yesterday. She just pouts that Tony isn’t Korean. That night, Geun-soo scrolls through Yi-seo’s feed, wondering what he’s going to do.

The next morning, Yi-seo, Hyun-yi, and Seung-kwon smirk at the graffiti emblazoned on the club’s entrance, calling them out for being racist. Meanwhile, Sae-ro-yi meets with Ho-jin (aww… there’s spray paint all over his jacket) and turns down Ho-jin’s suggestion that he invests rather than reopen Danbam. Ho-jin points out that President Jang will continue to buy up every building they rent. Handing his phone to Ho-jin, Sae-ro-yi says there’s a way. He plans to call Min-jung that afternoon and apologizes to Ho-jin.

Over at Danbam, Geun-soo arrives first and starts setting up. The rest of the crew arrive, and he asks to speak with Yi-seo. He tells her that he plans to return home in exchange for President Jang to leave Danbam be and Yi-seo’s expression finally softens. To his disappointment, Yi-seo just smiles she’d be grateful if he did. She continues to grin, even as he tells her she’s mean. While waiting for the bus, Geun-soo thinks back to the night she used him as a dummy to teach Seung-kwon clubbing etiquette and smiles ruefully.

Sae-ro-yi meets with Min-jung and she asks if he needs to borrow money. Instead, Sae-ro-yi wants to withdraw half of his investment in Jang Ga. She points out he’ll lose any influence in the company, saying she’d thought Ho-jin would convince him to help her instead. Min-jung wonders why he’s risking so much for a tiny pub that President Jang can easily take away. Sae-ro-yi says the pub is all about the people he works with.

Back at work, the rest of the team worries that they haven’t heard from Tony. Seung-kwon urges Yi-seo to apologize but she doesn’t bother to look up. Soo-ah arrives to return beer that she borrowed and Yi-seo glowers at her. They’re joined by Sae-ro-yi and Yi-seo announces that Geun-soo has something to say. Geun-soo awkwardly says he wants to quit, denying there’s a reason. Sae-ro-yi asks him to stay if this is about his family, adding, “I like you. You’re like my younger brother.”

Yi-seo pipes up that Geun-soo promised to barter with President Jang to secure Danbam’s location. She said that moving will cost a lot of money and they can easily run the pub without Geun-soo. Turning on her, Sae-ro-yi asks her opinion and when Yi-seo supports the idea, he rips off her nametag.

Sae-ro-yi tells Yi-seo she doesn’t deserve to be Danbam’s manager and shuts Soo-ah down when she tries to intervene. Yi-seo argues that he’ll never beat Jang Ga if he insists on treating Danbam like family rather than a business. Sae-ro-yi snaps that if all that matters is profit, he won’t do business. Yi-seo tries to plead with him, but Sae-ro-yi barks, “If I were to become like him, I wouldn’t have started this.”

Growing emotional, Yi-seo tearfully shouts that she doesn’t want him to get kicked out and suffer a loss. Sae-ro-yi counters that it’s only natural for his enemy to attack him. “What makes me upset now,” he shouts, “is you whom I thought was on my side.” Yi-seo sniffles that she only said it for his sake but Sae-ro-yi can’t understand why she needs to fire someone he cares about for that. He apologizes for yelling but Yi-seo stops him from leaving, saying, “I bet my life on you. You have to take responsibility. I need a realistic alternative.”

Her words echo what Min-jung had told him earlier. He had explained that’s the reason he’s retrieving his investment in Jang Ga – to protect his people. He’d vowed not to be swayed by President Jang anymore. In the present, Yi-seo accuses him of not having an alternative and Sae-ro-yi declares he’ll buy a building. Calling it the realistic alternative, he leaves. Yi-seo doesn’t believe him but Soo-ah points out Sae-ro-yi never lies. Turning to the younger woman, Soo-ah asks her to talk.

The women relocate and despite Yi-seo’s prickly demeanor, Soo-ah says she wants to help. Yi-seo growls at her to butt out of Danbam’s business but Soo-ah wants to talk about Sae-ro-yi. She recalls Yi-seo declared she liked Sae-ro-yi and wonders whether she’d still like him if he were a sly guy who was a more practical businessman. Soo-ah explains that for Sae-ro-yi, it only counts when he proves himself using the opposite methods of President Jang.

Soo-ah admits it’s hard – both for Sae-ro-yi and the ones watching – but she insists that no one can change him. She tells Yi-seo that to be on his side, she shouldn’t try to change him, but support him. Yi-seo sniffs that Soo-ah understands him well but Soo-ah says she’s not on his side precisely because she doesn’t. Yi-seo’s suspicious of Soo-ah’s motives but Soo-ah assures her she hasn’t given up on Sae-ro-yi. She maintains her confidence in Sae-ro-yi’s feelings and Yi-seo snidely reminds Soo-ah she hates her. Soo-ah admits she knows that too, “Keep your chin up, Cutie.”

For all her grumbling, Yi-seo considers Soo-ah’s words as she walks back. She recalls Sae-ro-yi’s abhorrence of bowing to others despite making life easier and his confidence in Hyun-yi. Stopping at the corner to see the bouncer and his men scrubbing Sae-ro-yi’s graffiti, she smiles to herself that she likes him. Yi-seo takes off at a run and finds Geun-soo outside his apartment. She gruffly apologizes and when Geun-soo doesn’t react, she admits he must be mad and cheekily asks what she should do.

Geun-soo says he’s not mad but Yi-seo is unconvinced, agreeing that she was heartless. He points out she’s always been heartless, inconsiderate, and selfish. She scoffs that he must really be peeved and Geun-soo finishes, “But I like you the way you are.” Yi-seo confesses she’s in love with Sae-ro-yi and is apologizing because she wants to stay with him. She tells Geun-soo to stay out of her way and skips off while he stares sullenly after her.

Tony is at the district office the next day, trying to get information on his father. The clerk tells him that he can’t relinquish personal information without consent and Tony thrusts forward an adorable photo of him and his father when he was young, arguing he’s not a stranger. The clerk sighs that a picture isn’t proof of paternity and implores Tony to return with his family certificate. Meanwhile, the rest of the Danbam crew read Yi-seo’s latest social media post bashing the club for discriminating against Tony based on his skin color.

Yi-seo arrives at work and admits to the post, pointing out Sae-ro-yi said messing with his people was like messing with him. “So I made up my mind,” she declares, “I’ll just kill those who mess with you.” She asks where Tony is and Hyun-yi suggests Yi-seo call him. Just as she dials, Tony arrives and he asks Yi-seo about the post, arguing that he is Korean. Everyone sighs when she counters that he doesn’t look Korean, asking why he insists that he is.

Tony reveals that his dad came to Korea to meet his mother (Tony’s grandmother) and that as soon as he finds him, Tony can acquire Korean nationality. Yi-seo points out that he hasn’t acquired it yet and so he’s not Korean. Sae-ro-yi starts to chide her, but Yi-seo continues that she’ll help Tony find his dad. She apologizes for not siding with him and Tony sniffles, feigning a stomachache. She tsks that Sae-ro-yi’s graffiti was childish and he should use his brain.

Smiling like a proud papa, Sae-ro-yi reaches out to pat her head but Yi-seo demands her nametag back first. Her eyes widen when he immediately produces it from his pocket, and she insists he put it on her. He does and Hyun-yi and Seung-kwon high-five. Yi-seo pouts that it’s hard dealing with Sae-ro-yi and he grins as he pats her head. Geun-soo arrives just then and looks up at them sadly.

President Jang’s assistant informs him a new tenant has moved into Danbam’s location and Geun-won laughs, suggesting President Jang buy wherever Sae-ro-yi moved to as well. President Jang asks his assistant who reports that Sae-ro-yi bought a building. Across town, the crew busily sets up the new location while Tony hands out fliers. A woman warns them that all the businesses that take up that building fail and hands them her card (heh, she’s a loan shark).

Min-jung thinks about Sae-ro-yi’s declaration that what matters in business is people and smiles that Dad had once told her something similar. Min-jung meets with Sae-ro-yi, who apologizes for causing her trouble by removing his investment. She laughs that it didn’t make much of a difference and that her challenge had been for him to rankle President Jang… which he did. When he confirms he still wants Min-jung’s help, she says they should have a shared goal.

She wonders if revenge is all Sae-ro-yi wants and he says after that, he’d like freedom. “I want my words to have power so no one can mess with me and my people,” Sae-ro-yi continues, “I don’t want to be swayed by anyone or any injustice.” He tells her he wants to live a life where he can make his own decisions and not have to pay for his principles. She chuckles that he’s an idealist but accepts his goal and proposes they enjoy that freedom together.

Stewing in his office, President Jang recalls Sae-ro-yi’s assertion that President Jang had stolen nothing from him. “As I grow older, I’m becoming pettier,” he tells Geun-won. The next morning, Soo-ah meets up with Sae-ro-yi and muses that she’s not even surprised he’s become a building owner. He admits he’s been told he picked a bad location, but she notes the doesn’t look concerned. Sae-ro-yi smiles that he believes in his people.

Soo-ah admits she’s jealous of how much he cares for them – Yi-seo in particular. “On your way to make me unemployed,” Soo-ah clarifies, “You need her, right?” Sae-ro-yi thinks about it while across town, a visitor arrives at Jang Ga HQ. “It hasn’t been long since she came,” Sae-ro-yi finally answers, a smile spreading across his face, “but I can’t imagine Danbam without Yiseo.” The doors open and Yi-seo strides into President Jang’s office.

  
COMMENTS

Ooooooh! This show has been great at consistent cliffhangers. I’d like to think Yi-seo is going to tell President Jang where to shove it, but she’s such a loose cannon, who knows what’ll happen. Yi-seo finally crossed a line this episode and as much as it sucks to see a beloved character act in such a disappointing manner, I love that show did it. Yi-seo’s sass is much of her charm, but her disregard for anything that doesn’t personally concern her was something she needed to be held accountable for.

I had hoped that Sae-ro-yi’s influence would be enough for her to realize this shortcoming on her own, but when she sided with the racist bouncer/club against Tony, there was no excuses to be made for her behavior. Shamelessly using Geun-soo’s crush on her and his guilt towards Sae-ro-yi to leverage to keep Danbam’s location was painfully still within the bounds of her character and it (rightfully so) is what sent Sae-ro-yi over the edge.

My heart absolutely broke for Tony. He is Korean and yet he is continually judged (be it discrimination or simply assuming he can speak English) for his appearance. I must applaud the show for tackling discrimination from so many different angles. From financial status, education, family background, criminal history, gender identity, to skin color, Itaewon Class has crafted such a lovely unit in Danbam and continues to explore their stories and the unique, yet uniting, struggles they all face. It’s gratifying to see Yi-seo’s growth through it all.

While her behavior is often ugly, I don’t think that she’s prejudiced so much as she doesn’t empathize with anyone else’s pain (save for Sae-ro-yi). That’s not an excuse, but it is a sociopathic trait. She’s learning the proper way to treat people through Sae-ro-yi and the relationships she’s building at Danbam. She may never be as compassionate, but she’s not beyond adapting to Sae-ro-yi’s way of thinking and that’s a start.

Finally! An episode where I found myself genuinely liking Soo-ah a little bit. As frustrated as I’ve been by her character, she’s not an easy one to hate. Especially when she took Yi-seo aside to tell her why she was wrong. Plus, the contrast between this cafe scene and the previous one was lovely. Both women understand that Sae-ro-yi would have it a lot easier if he would bend his principles, but the difference is that Soo-ah also understands that it goes against Sae-ro-yi’s nature.

While Soo-ah doesn’t agree with Sae-ro-yi’s methods, she knows that it’s important to him. I do think her confidence could bite her in the rear later, but I was proud of her for recognizing Sae-ro-yi needs allies, even if she can’t be one of them. It was the first truly selfless act we’ve seen her exhibit and the fact that it was following up her cold rejection of Geun-won’s advances, left me cheering for her. I doubt she’s done wavering, but where I find that infuriating in other shows, Itaewon Class manages to express its characters in such a human light that I respect the nuance. I can’t believe we’re already at the halfway point and I’m thrilled with the story thus far. I can only pray that the show manages to keep this momentum for the second half because Sae-ro-yi and the Danbam team deserve a happy ending.

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Before I read it, just saying thank you for these fast recaps.

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Thank you for the recaps, Sunny!

I agree with your opinion on Soo Ah this episode. Her first selfless act. On the first episode and the first scene with her, we already know that her character is one that doesn't give a damn about others. But I loved that she cared to explain to Yi Seo about how to be Sae-ro-yi's ally and acknowledging that as the very reason why she isn't on his side.

I like her as a character tbh. She's complicated in a non-psychopath way like Yi-seo. I feel like her shortcomings are more relatable for me.

I still don't want Sae-ro-yi to end up with either women. After everything he's been through, after all the revenge stuff, I just want him to find a great feeling of being HOME - which both women don't give off that vibe as of now.

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I'm definitely on Team "Sae-Ro-Yi on His Own At the End" too.

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The most satisfying moment of this episode was when Sae Royi ripped off Yi-seo's name tag.

Sadly, Yi-seo still did not learn a lesson and so far haven't had much personal growth since ep 3. She was not sorry at all, and only apologized in the end to Geun Soo and Tony because she didn't want Sae Royi to hate her.

The Geun Soo part was extra painful, I hope her rejection doesn't push him off the deep end and make him side with JangGa.

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This ep was really hard for me to get through. I kept hitting pause and walking away.....usually to eat a piece of licorice rope. I had to take my feelings out on something.

I'm probably in the minority and could be way way off base here, but I dont think we are seeing Yi-seo's growth yet. I think the writer has flipped the script I'm used to seeing. I'd expect to see seeds of growth or hidden warmth in a character around now, but I think the writer is showing us how sociopathic she is.
I had a hard time with how the Yi-seo/Hyun-yi issue was resolved. I found it frustrating that I thought the show was showing Yi-seo had grown by calling Hyun-yi "Unnie" and we and Hyun-yi were supposed to find it affirming and heartwarming. But I'm used to shows giving us these type of resolutions and even sometimes find them heartwarming, but I was disappointed. Then came this ep and I thought the show did it again. Yi-SEO makes an Instagram post and volunteers to help Toni let's all high five and pat her head. 🤬
Deep Breath. Walk Away. Eat Some Licorice.
Then I thought about it and I think this scene was framed a bit differently. (This is where I wish I was a better writer to express myself more clearly.) The camera moves to Geun-soo standing outside the group and staring at them. Maybe he is just sad but maybe he is really seeing Yi-seo. That she is just saying what will keep her with Sae-ro-yi and is not impressed. I think the viewer is supposed to be troubled by her actions not cheering them on.

I'm also starting to see Yi-seo as a barometer for the audience with some of these scenarios.

Again, I'm probably way off base. Usually I like to just go for the ride. I'm not the one who guesses the twist or murderer correctly before the end. But right now this version intrigues me. Please do not spoil me if you've read the manga.
I do think Yi Seo will grow and change. I just think she will have to hit rock bottom first.

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'Growth' and 'change' for a sociopath is not the same as it would be for, say, you or I. The most they can achieve is to recognize what is and is not appropriate according to different situations. I think the writer used the Toni situation to drive the point that PSRY is her barometer for good -- Yi-seo even says she'll kill whoever messes with PSRY's people -- so that when conflict arises between them, it'll probably be due to PSRY being radically idealistic and putting himself at risk.

We are used to character having arcs and undergoing existential changes, and we are used to them always bending towards enlightenment, but sometimes people just become less obviously sociopathic, more perceptive.

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Right. I'm not expecting her to grow a conscious, become empathetic, or anything like that. Maybe her growth will just be using Sae ro yi as a barometer, but I dont think she is there yet. I think she will actually have to lose him, his trust, or her position before she even realizes she needs to be more perceptive or as Sunny says learn or adapt.

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To me, this show is saying that our society (expressed in various ways through the child characters) determines how the people within it behave by how they nurture and support them. Whether that is feudal (Jang), hyper-capitalist (Yi-Seo), or communal (SRY). Put a child in each of these situations and you get an adult that behaves within those parameters. Yi-Seo may not have actually changed but her behaviour has changed and that matters. She is nature constrained for the first time by good nurture.

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I think the part that made this ep and the other so hard is not just Yi-seo's behavior which was beyond problematic, but how other characters viewed the change. At some point in the show I'd like for one of them to be like, Whoa, back up. Something isn't right here.

I guess I need them to nurture her better, lol.

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Love them or hate them, this is one of the very few dramas that has people that I actually care about. Far too many dramas just seem like a series of pasted together tropes.

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i do't wanna be o the bad side of a real Yi Seo… and this character development in the drama is real.

Some people , especially over achievers, are actually like that — they don't care about other people's business as long as they don't mess with them; they speak their minds "objectively" not minding how people may feel (they call it 'stating the fact"); they don't accept defeat — they're just opting for a better solution.

Actually, between Yi Seo and Seo Ri Ya, I find PSRY too good to be true. That i find it hard to imagine to find or at least know a person like him. Although most of the time, I have been wondering what this dude is planning to do. The character's been hinting few things here and there (like when he dropped the thing about the Statute of limitations) but has been keeping his cool...

Oh, well — I just love the mix of characters.

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Oh, and I do have a ship. It is Sae to yi and Geun-soo. I want them to adopt each other and really be brothers.

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This is probably the only pair I ship.

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We don't need the romance, we need the Bromance.

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100% this.

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I agree wholeheartedly, I don't believe Yi Seo has growth either. I think the writer is showing how casual and unthought prejudices can dramatically affect others. Yi Seo is capable of empathy, she just refuses to employ it except for her her own selfish needs. My hope is that she will grow by the end of the drama, but who knows.

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You're not way off base.

Yi-Seo has just changed her behaviour from "what society expects me to do" to "what SRY expects me to do". This is actually the first time I've seen her behave like a true psychopath (and I use that word deliberately since sociopathy has traditionally been associated with violence). She doesn't know how to be in the world because there's something missing from her so she learns and expresses that behaviour to hide her inability to care about people. And because she's so intelligent, she is able to learn it and fool people. She's kind of Pascal Wagering SRY's philosophy. I'm not sure he's going to be fooled any more than God is.

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The racist club scene is a mirror to the transphobic club scene, with Yi-seo reflecting prejudices that I am sure are rampant in Korea as they are globally. It is astute writing to have a main lead exhibit really upsetting biases and prejudices and retain interest in them.

PSRY's sympathy is his strength, and it is as infectious as it is righteous. For a sociopath like Yi-seo, PSRY is learning resource center on humanity and ethics. While she may never achieve that innate sense of wrong that the rest of DanBam has, at least she can use them as a measure to gauge what is right.

The fight between PSRY and Yi-seo is my favorite scene thus far of the series. Not because of the ripped tag or because PSRY is right, but because he had to prove it. Ideals are fine, but they collapse under the weight of reality. When Yi-seo blocked his exit to demand a real alternative, reminding him of the stakes, I got chills. It is common to the point of cliche that in Kdrama, the argument would have ended with his apology, but to see it continue with Yi-seo forcing him to be transparent? It's basically novel.

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I am not so sure that Yi-Seo is as much of a sociopath as is assumed by many here. I think perhaps she knows what is right and wrong, but has trouble expressing it. She did, after all, post the racist video all on her own. Too early to tell (which is unusual for a kdrama, most characters are fully sorted by now) but the cliff hanger meeting with the chairman should tell us a lot.

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I agree, I think people need to properly google the definition. It is why I keep repeating that she is spoiled and selfish, which mimics sociopathy, but is not it. She is capable of great empathy, she cried when she saw his scars. A sociopath would not have cried, full stop.

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Google is not a mental health institute, just like sociopathy is not square shoe box. Any mental health issue is a big theme to discuss due to how vast can be a spectrum. Saying "full stop" sound more ignorant (I'm sorry) about any mental health, than giving the benefit of the doubt. Here you can blame writer, but be more careful in real life with your assumptions just because you googled definition.

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When I say google, i mean use it in a research capacity, there are a great many resources that can be found using Google, from psychiatric dictionaries to legitimate journals on psychiatry. However, your point is made at "full stop", but based on the research I have done and I have done it extensively sociopaths don't cry over things like this. You are allowed to disagree with me of course. I always base what I say on knowledge, but thank you for your polite insight.

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i do agree that Yi Seo is not on a sociopath level. I guess it was how her mom brought her up. Remember the race where she (not exactly) pushed the one ahead of her? I was expecting her mother to explain things but what did she say to her — about people's perspective on what's right and wrong in achieving one's goal. It was the twisted way of bringing her up that made her think that she is "always right" and that she "always win".

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I have to agree with you, yes. For the Writer to dare use the main character to express all the very real prejudices is very bold and intentional. My blood was boiling when I watched it. I have since calmed down and, yup, very bold of the Writer.

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Yes, it was great that the drama didn't go the usual romantic way and pretended PS could deal with it using only his pretty ideals. He is morally right but the practical result of keeping GS without an alternative, would be all the workers being fired when he could not reopen the pub.

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"I hate you because you killed Ajusshi." So. Satisfying. Soo-ah's rejection of Geun-won was the best. I will never understand anyone who sympathizes with this killer, even putting Geun-won above Soo-ah. This POS feels no remorse. I am waiting for him to get hit by a car like Dad. Geun-won is my most hated character over cartoon villain Chairman Jang. I don't even like the actor.

Yi-seo, strike two. First LGBTQ and second racism. Why tf is she taking this out on Soo-ah and Geun-soo? They don't represent Jangga. "I'm not a little kid." But you act like one. "You've been getting on my nerves since yesterday." Welcome to my world. Danbam would be way less hostile without Yi-seo around.

Geun-soo, this boy is hopeless. For his sanity, Geun-soo needs to cut Yi-seo out of his life, but pitifully, he exhibits the classic signs of a victim of abuse by justifying the physical abuse from his "hyung" and emotional abuse from his "friend."

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I loved that line by Soo-ah too. I actually find it more interesting if they focused on Soo-ah's relationship with her Ahjussi and how it relates to her working at Jangga than how her relationship with Sae ro yi does.
I wonder if the fact that he used to work there and that is how she met him could be one of the reasons she went and even stayed.

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I agree - I think that the relationship between Soo-ah and Ahjussi is much more compelling that whatever is going on between her and Sae-ro-yi. I loved the way she just looked at Geun-won with so much loathing and hate. I also thought this moment humanized her in a lot of ways. She's often cold and aloof but she clearly has a warmth in her that she rarely fully shows to anyone, including Sae-ro-yi. But seeing her get angry at Geun-won like that was wonderful. It really drove home that she does have emotional connections to people but she has very much kept her heart closed, for all she does genuinely care for Sae-ro-yi. And given her history, it makes sense, so this isn't a criticism. But I think that distance may be what drives a wedge between her and Sae-ro-yi in the end. He will have to choose between her and DanBam one day, and he isn't the type to abandon his people for all she's the last connection he has to his father in many ways.

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Yes, we got a peek of what lies beneath her neutral demeanor. This reminds me that earlier in the show we used to see more of her edgy and fun side. Also, that Ahjussi in one ep called her something like his wild girl.
I hope we get more call backs to their relationship and the effect he had on her.
I hold out hope that maybe we haven't seen how far her connection Min-jung really goes. It would be nice to see the ladies take the corporation.

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Everyone she's ever loved has been taken away from her - including SRY when he went to prison. I find it understandable that she keeps her emotions close, refuses to let SRY too far in, and is attracted to the stability of a corporation like Jangga.

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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I feel sorry for Geun-won. He was a little jerk as a high school student, but his father raised him to be that way, and he's not able to escape the path that his father pushed him into. Geun-won keeps goading Sae Royi into punishing him, and I think that deep down he feels such immense guilt for what he did that he really does want to be punished to pay for his actions. Seeing that he still suffers trauma from being forced to kill that chicken, too, it's like he's going insane from his upbringing.

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I'm like that too, if someone s misdeeds are not in front of me I tend to feel sorry for them, and I do feel sorry for him even though he is a horrible person

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I have to confess that I am still in love with Yi-Seo. Or perhaps not her so much, but the fact that she is totally different from any other kdrama character that I have seen. She has her faults, but she seems to be growing up.

Soo-Ah on the other hand I still can't place. Did she tell the chairman that Yi-Seo was a critical part of his team after she overheard?

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YES SOO-AH <3 Her straight-up rejection and saying "Ahjussi was like a father to me" T_____T So satisfying. I'm waiting for the show to acknowledge that bond all the more because in the past her relationship with Ahjussi was so cute. Now I'm all the more hoping she has some kind of revenge plan of her own. Please, show ): Also her talking to Yi-Seo, knowing that Sae-ro-yi does need her as a manager. Sooooo-Ahhhhh come to the right sideee.

Hmmm, Yi-Seo. I'm a bit sad at her treatment of our Danbam team, but it's not exactly surprising. I feel like she may have only apologized not because she actually felt sorry, but to get back in Sae-ro-yi's good graces and hm, I am not sure how I feel about that. Also, poor Geun-soo. Don't like Yi-Seo anymore.

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Injeonghabnida!! I acknowledge it! Yi Seo was almost impossible to stomach during this episode. I am pretty sure she will redeem herself but she will have a long way to go with fans. I still support her but she came off really bad in episode 7 and episode 8.
Please let me clarify, I am Team Yi Seo and even I had difficulty with her the last two episodes, in particular, her interactions with Tony. I wasnt clear if she would have posted her rant on her blog had PSRY not been mad at her. I felt her apologies were more for PSRY benefit than her actually being sorry and reflecting. However, I am not giving up on our girl yet and I do think she will grow over the series.
I also think that Soo Ah realizes that PSRY cares for Yi Seo ( he just has not admitted yet). I love how Soo Ah pulled Yi Seo to the side and explained to her how if she tries to change him, she will lose him. Also, Soo Ah made a great point, if PSRY wasnt such a stickler and so different from other guys, would Yi Seo even be interested in him ( probably not). Yi Seo loves PSRY for the very characteristics shes trying to change, aww women ( and I am a woman.. lol)..
Apart of me does like that Yi Seo is such a controversial female lead.. Honestly, I like complicated leads, that is why Cheese in the Trap is still one of my favorite K dramas to date and he was a passive aggressive sociopath..wait a minute..🤔 Im sensing a trend with me that is somewhat scary.. lol.

Either way, Yi Seo will grow ( that rhymed) Im sure as the series progresses. I actually liked Soo Ah in this episode and felt she was very mature. I LOVED PSRY spray painting that building, I laughed so hard. I love how protective he is of his DanBam family. I also respected that PSRY was ready for the CEO and I loved how he told Yi Seo that its natural that his enemy attacks him but he wasn't expecting her to not be on his side. Yi Seo was def wrong in this episode about everything but I did give her the benefit of the doubt, not because she's a sociopath but because she is an arrogant 20 year old girl thats a little over her head. Also, I want to be very clear, I do not think Yi Seo is a racist or a prejudice against trans people but I do feel like she is one of those people that doesnt care if it doesnt affect them and that is a very realistic portrayal of most of the World. Kudos, to IC for not shying away from subjects like this, because in order to fix a problem, we must address the problem. Seriously Kudos production team 👏👏👏👏👏

PS.. I highly doubt Yi Seo will betray PSRY in episode 9 (because that would be too cliche). I think she is going to outsmart the CEO... hopefully we get to see that 162 IQ at work

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Haha I also love complicated characters. I think it's great that these characters are sometimes problematic and say questionable things. None of us are perfect and it's refreshing to see writing that reflects how complex people can be. I'm not a fan of cancel culture and even though I think Yi Seo can be a bit of a bitch I still really enjoy watching her say and do things that are so outside the realm of what a normal lead actress would do. But she should really be nicer to puppy Guen-soo. That boy needs some TLC and real friendship.

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Yes, complex characters are way more fun and interesting because you have debates like this one and the social communities are usually filled up with comments like this.

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I have to admit that this drama is doing very good job at potraying to us some characters that are admirable yet imperfect human being. Yi seo is an apathetic, selfish woman who has impulse to talk only facts without a care about feelings. That way sometimes, her words reach to the level of brutality and offensive and it makes people considering her as a mean person (okay, sometimes she is). In the light of transgenderism and race issues this show tried to touch for example, the way her character dealing with those issues might be putted into racist and bigoted category by some people, but i think she is just being objective about the issues. She talks no insult about their identities, but the way she speak up her opinion about the situation surrounding it hurts anyone who listened. But it’s okay because truth can be offensive. She said nothing wrong in the end. She might be selfish but also an honest person. To people who loves her, she doesn’t make them hold into false hope when they are expecting from her something that she just couldn’t or simply don’t want to do, she will tell them the truth that she can’t fulfill or give them what they want from her. To her rival (soo ah), she can simply ignored the fact that soo ah wasn’t the one who reported her to police, but she didn’t, she chose to tell the truth to sae ro yi. She wants a fair game, and i really respect that side of her.

And there is park sae ro yi, who is merciful but also just. He stood by his people side despite their lack of skill or attitudes but demand that police officer to take responsibility for his unjust action toward his father even when he knows it means that that police officer has to leave her little daughter alone at home. That seems cruel, but actually he only demand responsibility from other people and it as much as he demand responsibility from himself. He is kind but not weak. And maybe it just me, but i also find sae ro yi has some narcissistic side in him. When he said he wants to “live a life where he can make his own decisions and not have to pay for his principles”, my first thought was “okay, that is unrealistic dream, and you just sounds like chairman jang”, because he is human, which means his value can changes and can’t be perfect all the time (unless he is God an hold the ultimate moral value), and when it isn’t, he have to bear the consequences and if he doesnt want to, he has to make people bear what he did. That vandalism is one of example, he damages other people properties just because they have different opinion than him. I dont say their opinion is better, im just saying they have right for it, and you have right to protest it, but not by damaging their assets. All people that i know, who doesn’t want to pay for principles they have are tyrants. We can thanks to his father who raised him good and as long as he stay in right path, he will become jang da hee but on the other side.

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I'm sorry, but "she said nothing wrong in the end" because she's just speaking the truth? So her siding with the club bouncer and saying that Tony isn't Korean because he's black is the truth?? That is just plain old racism, and nothing close to the truth as all nationalities comes in all types of races. Now if you were saying that she was just spouting the (very hurtful) viewpoints of the typical conservative Korean society, then sure maybe. She's honest about what she thinks sure, but clearly, a lot of what she thinks is very wrong. Just because she's honest in saying them, does not make it in any way right.

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Well, his nationality is unverified, so technically he is not a korean by legal citizenship and his appearance doesn’t support his claim. She has no absolute reason to believe or disbelief him. And i dont think she was siding with the club guards, she just saying they have their own rules regarding their business and it is their right. She clearly wasn’t saying she agree with motive of their rules because at the end she posted her disagreement on her sns (even tho the reason is questionable, but she did). I dont think her act was racism, she just stating the fact that his appearance isnt like korean at all, and he can’t prove his claim by showing his identity card. If she is a racist, why take tony at first place?

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First, just because she hires him does not mean she's not a racist...that argument is the same argument as "I have black friends, so I can't be racist". "His appearance doesn't support his claim"...yeah...because of racism lol. And she was siding with the guard since she explicitly pointed out to Tony his dark skin when Tony said he was Korean. The implication is clear: "You have dark skin, so you can't be Korean." Finally, she only posted that SNS message because Sae Roy Yi was pissed at her for it, we have no idea if she actually disagree with it or not (in fact, from what we got, it seems she agrees with it but right now she'll just go with Sae Roy Yi's thinkings so he doesn't fire/hate her).

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She is a racist who hired him, that is a clear implication, huh? I dont remember she said he can’t be a korean by any means. she just don’t believe his claim because of what she see, how could that be a racism? You cant believe a person saying that she has long hair when her hair barely any longer than her ear, right? I think what matters is how she treated him. Did she treat him differently just because his skin color? if it is hyun yi(?) that saying she is african, i believe she will react the same. You dont trust people just by what they’re saying. if you do jail will be empty. He presented his claim, she saw things dont match up, he couldn’t provide further evidence, she don’t believe him (actually she kind of did, she said she will help him find his father), and now she is at blame? How could she defend him in front of those bodyguards when he himself couldn’t? Who is going to believe her words? What else she can say? “Lets get out of here tony, you look like korean so there is no use to argue with them”? I dont know what your definition of racism, but for me racism is treating other people differently because of their skin color. so far from what i see, yi seo is nothing like that. She only told tony about his sitution and position at that club and there is no implication whatsoever for me that yi seo hates tony because he is black. And i’m curious, how can you white and racist but having a black friend at the same time?

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??? Your long hair example is based 100% on observation...This is not. They're in no way equivalent. Watch the episode again because she clearly pointed out to Tony that he's black when he was trying to defend himself to her that he's Korean, implying: "You can't be Korean because you're black." That is racism lol.
Again, I have to ask, why does he even have to present evidence that he's Korean to her? If I see someone, and they say they're some nationality, I don't have any right to ask them for proof, what??? And she does treat him differently. I mean, does she ask for evidence from Hyun Yi or Geun Soo that they're Korean?? And you keep claiming, his evidence don't match up. Where exactly does it not match up? Oh, the fact that he's black mean the evidence does not match up?
Finally, racism is much more than just treating people differently because of their looks. That only covers the DISCRIMINATION part of racism. There's also the PREJUDICE part of racism: ascribing/not ascribing someone certain traits because of how they look. Here, she clearly believe (or at least, agree with the bouncer's beliefs) that Tony is not Korean simply because he is black. That is racism, plain and simple.

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But you in obvious cases, you can observe someone race just by observation, you have something wrong in your eyes if you see me and say that i must be a british. Becaus ei completely look nothing like a british.

And tony doesnt need to provide yi seo any evidence, but in order to enter that club he needs something more than his claims. There is no way those bodyguards will believe him just by his words. And why would he ask geun soo and hyun yi for evidence when they looks like her? I mean, for what? Unless they claimed they are african, it is okay for yi seo to ask more proof if she feels it is necessary. Yi seo doesn’t ask tony for evidence, but definitely she doesn’t trust tony easily, but is it because simply he is black people? It just because he is stranger, what is wrong with not believing a stranger?

And also, what i get based on your claim, correct me if i wrong, that racism have another part which is prejudice about someone traits because their race, right? Why is that kind of prejudice, if it is a racism, matter? You have prejudice (about anything) about certain race, that is for me understandable, because we are groups who came from difference places in the world, each of group have different histories that creates different cultures, different cultures creates different common traits between the groups. so prejudice is kind of unavoidable, that can be tools to understand other cultures. People who works on marketing use that. The way you sell goods in china will be different with the way you sell it in europe. If it is only end up in prejudice, inside you mind, tool you use as barometer on how you act properly toward other person who has different cultures than you, than that doesnt matter. Because if it is, people who ever met other prople from different countries or kin a racist then. But if it end up in discriminative action that that make some certain race have lesser amount of right and oppurtinities, then you have the problem.

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I'm sorry but somebody's identity is for them to tell you. You don't get to assume and you don't get to argue with them about it. And, yes, this is racism. The assumption of ethnicity or nationality or religion based on external appearance is racism.

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Well, truthfully Tony is NOT Korean. He holds a Guinea passport, and is half Korean ancestry. It has nothing to do with color.

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"is half Korean ancestry". You said it yourself. How is that NOT Korean?

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What does his passport say?

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The issue being debated is not his passport, which, I am sure, states that he is Guinean.

The issue being discussed here is his ancestry. and if he says he's (half) Korean, then that's all that matters.

Is the officer right in asking him for identification to get a record for his father and grandmother's whereabouts? ABSOLUTELY. It's an official document request and proof of family lineage is required to obtain this information. Anyone, whether they looked Asian or not, would need to provide this information.

Is the bouncer right for asking for identification? Yes. Everyone is required to show ID before entering.

Are the club owners right for not wanting African or Arabs in their establishment? No. That is discriminatory and therefore racist.

Did Yi-Seo tell him he can obviously NOT be Korean, solely based on his skin colour? Yes. Is she in a place of authority to require him to prove his ancestry? No. Does one need to look like their ancestor to BE of that ancestry? No. Does one need to have ID to prove they are of a given ethnic background, whether 100% or half or a quarter? ABSOLUTELY NOT. If he says his dad is Korean, that's it.

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Guinean is his nationality (passport), while Korean is his ethnicity. Two completely different things.

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But Toni is Korean, that is a fact. To say that he is not is insulting him. It is also an insult to call Guen soo a loser and that is only her opinion, not a fact about him.

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by what evidence it is a fact? Only by his claim? Because his appearance definitely saying the otherwise. How can it is an insult when people say i look like an asian when i am, even tho i claimed myself as an irish?

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So...in order to try to justify Yi Seo's statements, are you now calling Tony a liar??? So because he's black, it means he's not Korean? Why does his appearance says he's not Korean, especially in today's much-more global world where many interracial marriages happen? Why does he have to prove it that he's Korean just because of the color of his skin?
Also, the example you provide and the event that happened in the episode are two very different things: it is not an insult if people says you look like an Asian because that is simply an observation, however, it would be an insult if they claim you can't be Irish because you look like an Asian. Similarly, in this case, Yi Seo's statement is racism because she was saying that Tony can't be Korean because he is black.

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I dont call tony a liar. Im just understand why she said what she said. Let just say tony circumstances doesn’t support him and yi seo is a cold hearted and close minded brat who don’t trust people claims easily. But a racist? I dont think so. Racist is person who treat people differently because their skin color, that pub owner is a racist, but there is no scene where yi seo is treating tony badly just because he is black. She is simply doesnt believe what he said and apparently it is about his race, tht doesnt make her automatically a racist.

If you re those bodyguard (i know and hope you re not), will you believe him if he said he is a korean? How to make yourself believe that he is a korean when what you see telling the otherwise? How do you know these person isnt lying right in front of your face? Tony cant even provide an id, and now everyone is racist because they cant or hardly believe that he is a korean.

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Ok, how about this example - a black man whose father is Korean and mother - French. So he's half Korean and half French. Does he look Korean or French to Yi Seo? No, cuz he's black. So is she right? No, it's BS.

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What if your father was Irish and let's say you even lived there your whole life, but you look Asian. When is it ok for people to believe you when you say, "I'm Irish." Do you think they are in the right to always ask for proof, because you dont look Irish? Or look like what I think Irish looks like?
When you say asian I have a certain image that first comes to mind that leaves out a lot of people. If you dont fit that image do I have the right to ask you to prove it? Is it not racist of me?

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Well, like i said, tony appearance isnt supporting him, and when that bodyguards don’t believe him, he can’t provide anything to support his claim. For them, tony just a liar who tried to enter the pub. In what way he or yi seo can defend him in front of him? Let say tony has an id that can used as proof that he is a korean, i believe yi seo would fight back those bodyguards right at the moment, and if she is saying he isnt korean, there you’re having “yi seo is a racist” case.

Yes you have a right to ask, i have a right to answer or provide evidence or not, based on it you have right to believe me or not, and it is not racist. I mean you can just ask because you purely curious how i’m an irish but have looks like i’m the descendant of genghis khan, right? unless, let say, you forbid me to enter your store just because i look completely asian. Then there, you’re a racist, but what else i can do? Look for another store whose owner isn’t a racist.

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How is he Korean? His father was, but his mother was not. It has nothing to do with color, it's a fact that just having a father from a country does not make you of that country. The same rules would apply if his mother was American, Chinese, or Brazilian. You cannot become Korean just by claiming so.

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No, it precisely means that. If your mom or dad is Korean, then you’re Korean...I honestly don’t get how you could possibly say otherwise?? Tony has Korean ancestry, and it’s not like it’s like he’s 1/64 or something, his FATHER is Korean, making him Korean lmao. He does stop simply claim he’s Korean, because once again, his Dad IS. By your logic, if having a father or a mother from that country does not make you of that country, then what is a person with parents from two different countries?? An Alien with no home????? Because according to your logic he’d belong to neither country when the real logic (accepted by basically everyone by the way) makes him a person OF BOTH countries.

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Yi-seo is just not cutting it for me. She is really annoying, and while I can appreciate a flawed character, and I really embrace confident women, she is just a flat and transparentingly too simple character. She does all these things just because she decided she likes our hero. But there is no depth there. Soo Ah, on the other hand, is very understandable. Although I might not like her decisions, I see where she is coming from. And I liked our hero's stance that she should make decisions for herself.

I will be disgruntled if our hero ends up with Yi-seo, not to mention the age difference, it just doesn't fit the story.

I love all the rest of the crew tho!

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I like how this drama uses tropes but changes them.

Yi Seo, for example, she's the typical FL who does everything to stay with the man she loves, like heroine in shojo who studies a lot to go to the same college or becomes nurse because the ML is a doctor. But in this case, she's not the damsel in distress, she's the one who can help him. She has a goal to help Sae Ri o Yand she wants to use the most efficace way to do it. Her sociopath side doesn't understand that for Sae Ro Yi the way is very important.
I like the fact that Yi Seo is the smart one, the one who should have the most culture but she's the one with the most closed mind. I'm happy they didn't choose Choi Seung-Kwon to be the one with prejudices just because he's a ex-convict.

Soo Ah is still true to herself, I like it. It was interesting to hear why she can't be with Sae Ro Yi. She never lies.

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“I don’t want to be swayed by anyone or any injustice.”
I like this one, where I live freedom isn't a common thing and injustice is. I would like for it to change :(

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why is everyone so fixated on hating yi seo? she aint racist nor transphobic. she simply does not care. i think you guys misconstrue her indifference as prejudice. again, for the nth time, her character is labeled as a sociopath, because of her upbringing. she does things according to what she think will benefit her, her eyes seeing things objectively, and her actions are very consistent with her character. ys doesnt even recognize that what she did was wrong (that it may be perceived as transphobic or racist) because she doesnt give a fuck about other people (well except PSRY) THE VERY IDEA OF CARING, OR DEFENDING, OTHER PEOPLE IS SO FOREIGN TO HER. wont u be more shocked if she actually defended tony?

lastly, i wanna talk about soo ah, if yall are so pressed about frustrating and hateful charactars -- soo ah, who CLEARLY KNOWS that what shes doing isnt exactly right (betraying PSRY, working for the people who killed her father figure), BUT SHE STILL DOES IT ANYWAY, for me is much much much more deserving of hate. girl knows it, but in her fear of failing in life, she eats her conscience and guilt for dinner. she had some brownie points tho, in this ep for standing up to geun woo, but girl needs to walk the talk. i personally liked that she talked to yi seo about PSRY, like YAZ BITCH i hope she did it bc she knows she cant be there for PSRY, so she just taught yi seo how to deal with him.
VERY VERY LASTLY HAHAHAHA
i also think soo ah kinda realizes that while PSRY is proving he doesnt change easily, her place in his life might be his first character development. esp in that last scene, where she asks, or much better, she convinces herself that yi seo is just a tool for PSRY in helping her. yeah, keep believing that hahaha PSRY's smiling face is a hint that yi seo is slowly snatching his heart away from soo ah.

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Thank you very much for the speedy and great recap, Sunny !

* slowly walks away from the keyboard to avoid getting into needless debates over Yi-Seo and Soo-Ah, both of which are fictional characters that no one should be heatedly arguing about *

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I am surprised the characters were surprised that PSR would buy the building, it was literally my first thought.

My poor Tony, I loved the club scene. The only thing I was surprised at was it happened in Itaewon, usually it only happens in Gangnam. I'm glad the writer pointed out the very obvious racism. I am curious though what would've happened if he said he was American or if it wouldn't have made a difference, it was the higher melanin content that was the problem.

As for Yi Seo, she continues to be beyond selfish and spoiled, except with PSR. Another beanie mentioned her adoration was unhealthy and I'm inclined to agree. Every apology and decision she makes is because of her obsession( I won't say love) of him. I hope she grows up, becomes a better person, and actually grows to love him like in a healthy way, more at this point for his sake than hers. I think it is important that he doesn't like her romantically because it then she can get to know him, because it is fairly obvious that she doesn't.

I continue to love Soo Ah, I'm sad she isn't end game.

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"it was the higher melanin content that was the problem"

Not always. I am Caucasian, and have been refused entry to bars in both Japan and Korea.

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Okay, but they specified middle eastern and African? That is why I asked. They generally tend to be more melananted, although there are some less melanated/pale middle easterners, so it was just a curiosity question.

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That question mark isn't supposed to be there, lol

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I was mildly annoyed by the building plot, the guy had so much money he should have bought the first building anyway and only an idiot would not have thought of doing that before doing the other crazy stunts.

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I think SA is the otp, not that this guy needs one. You say that because of the comic?

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No, I read that Yi Seo was the lead, unless they changed it.

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I think both women are leads and I'd bet if there is any romance it will be with SA. I don't like her character but she is the obvious choice.

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I am surprised the characters were surprised that PSR would buy the building, it was literally my first thought.

As soon as Chairman Jang told Sae-ro-yi, "I'm going to buy every building that you rent out," I thought, "Then just buy a building" right away. I can't believe genius Yi-seo didn't come up with this idea.

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Unexpectedly, this is the episode that made me want to trust the writer and see where she's going with the FLs. Thanks to beanies who sorta hinted at what's coming on eps 7 recap, i wasn't completely shocked by Yi Seo's action when i saw it unfold. It was still very much unlikable but i don't stinking hate her for it. I was also pleasantly surprised by Soo Ah's chat scene with YS.

Sure i still don't like the FLs characters yet, but i guess in dramas we're just so used to getting characters that are straight up good/evil that getting not one but two morally gray FLs are throwing us for a loop.

I still remember being so conflicted over Park Hae Jin's character in Cheese in the Trap; do i love him or hate him or what , it's damn confusing how he can be sweet and manipulative at the same time. I'm experiencing the same thing with YS and SA now. Flip-flop goes my brain+heart.

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One of my favorite character arcs was Daryl in Walking Dead. I HATED him when the show started. He was misogynistic and racist, but watching him slowly learn and change and live up to his better self was so satisfying. Of course I dropped the show a while ago so dont know where it stands.

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Never seen the show, but i get what ya mean. So i’ll just be patient and see how the story progress.

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Soo-ah's comment to President Jang that his previous actions were all to benefit his company, while his current actions are based on his emotions was interesting. Could this be the way that Sae-royi will win in the end? Will President Jang will become so focused on bringing down Sae-royi that he will lose focus on his company and lose it in the end?????

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I think that will be a key factor in coming episodes. Jang has been goaded into losing his cool and getting emotional about it, and that in the end will make him lose. Who will win is still up in the air I think.

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I'm not going to lie, Yi-Seo had me cringing this episode.

She's still my favourite by far, but the cringeworthy bits were definitely her flat racism and straightforward manipulation of Geon-soo.

However, I can't say that I didn't understand her. Factually, I'm pretty sure that the scenes with Tony are based in actual reactions to any Korean that doesn't 'look' Korean. From my personal experience of how it goes down where I'm from- let me say I've been told "But you don't look [...]", or "You're pretty even though you're mixed."

She was blunt, and it was painful, but seriously, can we say that it isn't a realistic reaction?

As for Geon-Soo, I'm pretty sure his conversation with Big Bad Dad didn't help Sae-Ro-Yi. I can't tell if he's that naive, but telling Big Bad Dad that he shouldn't underestimate Sae-Ro-Yi, when he fully was didn't help. SRY wanted BBD to see him as a pesky kid- so when BBD suddenly went nuclear on him- could his son telling him that there was more to SRY have been a factor?

Fact is, having BBD's son there is bad for business and the revenge plan. SRY has his principles, sure. But making his 15 year revenge plan harder just because he likes the kid doesn't make sense.

Also I'm not conflicted about Soo-Ah. She's as amoral as Yi-Seo is sociopathic. And SRY consistently does her a disservice by telling her that she's only gotta be on her side. It's LITERALLY the same crap Yi-Seo's mom told her, and everyone can agree that was terrible advice.

So Soo-Ah keeps her selfish survivalism because SRY tells her it's okay. It's not. And it makes it worse that she hates Geon-Won and his dad for killing SRY's dad and covering it up AND STILL WORKS FOR THEM. Ugh, she's actually terrible.

Her eventual redemption will piss me off, because she's doing nothing to deserve it. And her 'selfless act' doesn't count. She just helped Yi-Seo be there for SRY because she's too scared to be there herself.

Whoo. I had strong feelings about this episode. It was GREAT.

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👏👏👏 Thank you for catching that because I had the same thought. The CEO considered PSRY a small fish until Geun Soo ( who meant well) warned his father that he is stronger than he thought and that he wasn't a small fish because of this the CEO came at PSRY guns ablazin.
I am starting to understand Soo Ah a little more (although I still don't care for her). I think Soo Ah, PSRY, and Choi Seung-Kwon come from a different generation where you have to survive or do your best . Okay, let me use an example, when PSRY spray painted the nightclub calling them racist. That was very sweet and funny and he had the best intentions but it wasn't effective in the long term. however, that one social media post by Yi Seo has the power to get that business shut down. You saw how everyone was talking about it and upset. This will have a more downstream impact than what PSRY did. So I am trying to give Soo Ah a little of the benefit of the doubt because I think she is trying to live as well as she can. I mean you have to be a bit selfish when growing up a poor orphan in a conservative society. Never once did I fault her for taking that scholarship from Jangga, its the other things she's done that have me uneasy.

Love your recap..

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finally! someone who has the same thoughts as mine

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The commenters who are binding over to the point of being professional contortionists regard in their mind justified racism....yeah, ya garbage.

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For all the not 'hating' fictional characters the reactions sure are extreme.

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Okay I am saying this once and for all and I won't bring it up again. I am not going to change my mind about Yi Seo or Soo Ah. (Saying this for the people who might disagree with me also the arguments are being repetitive). I feel for Soo Ah as the drama goes on. She is not an evil person or anything. Did she do somethings wrong? Yes, and I am saying this knowing that. I am interested in her redemption arc.
While I understand Yi Seo is a sociopath her actions are still wrong. I go from being irritated at her, to feeling bad for her, to be irritated again. Hoping for actual growth (again I know she is a supposed to be a Sociopath and I know it won't be the same).

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I can't think of a single thing Soo-ah has done wrong other than going to work for Jangga and that was done with SRY's blessing so... I don't get it either. Yi-Seo is fine for me because she's just a little girl play-acting at adulting and is slowly, painfully growing up now she's met a "real adult" for the first time.

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During the convo w GEun Soo n Yi Seo i was thinking why is SRY talking about this with SA in the room, she could be reporting everything to the boss! But then after he bought the building and the chairman was caught by surprise, I realised that SA never told the old man anything. So maybe, possibly SA is sorta helping. Not by much, but there’s still hope right..

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"Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or APD) is a personality disorder characterized by a long-term pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others."
This is literally the first line on Wikipedia for ASPD which is probably what Yi-seo is diagnosed with so really none of her actions are really surprising or shocking. They may also be unresponsive to therapy treatment but my guess is PSR right now is kind of like a compass for differentiating good and evil for Yi-seo which may even change her for the better.

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Just saw episode 9.... YI SEO !!!!!!!!!!!!! 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

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i just love the hyung moment!

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I actually liked Soo Ah's character since the beginning. Not saying that all of her behaviors were correct from my point of view, but I understand her position and struggles from her point of view throughout the episodes. And I feel that she was always honest with PSRY. I mean, even when he was in jail, she went to him to say that she was willing to accept the finantial support from JanggaCo. And I think that in each episode we can clearly see that, after all, even apparently on JanggaCo.'s side, she is not actually on their's side. It's almost like she is trying to separate work and her best chance from her personal side and feelings. Well, I think that this drama is showing us that good and bad exists in every single person, but our choices are critical and define our path in life. I just think that she could be a little more clear and nice with PSRY sometimes... For Yi-Seo, I also understand her behaviors and thoughts considering the context that was given to us (that she is a sociopath), but I admit that sometimes I get irritated by her huge disresgard for people. I understand it, but still... On the other hand, sometimes she just shines. It's a very interesting character. I don't know how the story will develop, I'm just anticipating some things, but I don't really feel a love triangle here. I don't think that PSRY has romantic feelings for Yi-Seo and I don't think that will happen honestly. And I also have doubts about his feelings for Soo-Ah. It seems like he is somewhat used to like her? Honestly, to me the romantic relationships are the least interesting part in this drama, but I'm curious to see how Yi-Seo will react if she experiences a rejection from PSRY...

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The idea that PSRY would have romantic feelings for Yi-Seo is laughable.

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Love this drama. Fantastic writing indeed. Just as you think things are slowing down, just the perfect twist is added and story moves forward, keeping you wondering what will happen next. It's not a thriller but one is indeed wanting to know how exactly Sae ro yi will take his revenge; knowing for sure he will ( now that would be surprising twist in story IF he doesn't by 16th episode)

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Toni Kim (Chirs Lyon) is doing really good job. Normally I cringe with foreign actors but he's good.

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