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Hi Bye, Mama! : Episode 4

Opportunities keep arising for our heroine in her post-ghost life and it’s not long before she has a job, a way to see her kid everyday, and even access to her social media. But while Yuri’s learning the ropes of her new arrangement, her former husband can’t help but wonder what her purpose is back here on earth, and why she seems to be completely avoiding him.

 
EPISODE 4: “There’s Nothing That Won’t Happen to Me”

It’s December 23, 2015, and Yuri and Kang-hwa bustle around their home as they get ready for work. Yuri is dressed in the same maternity dress we’ve always seen her in, and Kang-hwa complains that Yuri shouldn’t be running errands for work since she’s pregnant. In the background, the news reports a deadly fire that broke out in a building, resulting in multiple deaths and injuries. It doesn’t seem to register with the couple, who cutely say goodbye to one another for the day.

Yuri narrates: “Nobody is born with the knowledge of their final day in the world. Countless deaths pass by, but if it isn’t happening to me, it’s considered someone else’s heartbreak.”

Yuri’s on the phone with her mother as she walks down the sidewalk, and hangs up just as she reaches the crosswalk. A guy doesn’t heed the crosswalk signal and darts into traffic to cross. Yuri mutters to her baby bump not to watch, but then it happens: a car swerves to avoid the man, and loses control before crashing into Yuri.

Yuri is barely conscious in the operating room, but she manages to watch the doctors deliver her baby, tears spilling out of her eyes.

Back in the present, Kang-hwa arrives at Seo-woo’s daycare just as Min-jung and Yuri lock eyes with one another. He’s saved an explanation when a daycare worker calls out to Yuri, but calls her Do-yeon, the name Yuri used on the application. Yuri takes the moment to escape, but first presses the toy Seo-woo left behind into Min-jung’s hands.

Kang-hwa and Min-jung hold Seo-woo’s hands while they walk home, and Min-jung asks if Kang-hwa did something wrong. There’s panic in his eyes, until she clarifies that she means the disciplinary action the hospital took against him. Kang-hwa’s response seems unconcerned, but his eyes widen again when Min-jung points out that the woman at the daycare looks a lot like Yuri. Kang-hwa starts as if he’s almost going to tell Min-jung everything, but then he backs off and instead asks if she had an appointment somewhere, looking at her full bag. Now it’s Min-jung’s turn to avoid the truth, and she blows it off as a small errand.

Back at the daycare, Yuri’s replaying her encounter with Min-jung in her mind. It seems to work in her favor though, as the daycare director decides to hire her because she looks like she’ll die if she doesn’t offer her the job, haha.

Yuri’s excited to be able to see Seo-woo every day and chase away the lingering ghosts, but her grin falls when she sees Kang-hwa waiting nervously for her at the hotel, a bag in hand.

Flashback time: Yuri and Kang-hwa are watching their dramas together, and Kang-hwa boos the male lead for remarrying so soon after his wife’s death. Yuri challenges Kang-hwa, and asks why he wouldn’t marry again if she died. He snuggles in and swears that he would just follow her into death (the dramatic irony here is so painful). Yuri reminds him that someone would need to take care of their baby, and Kang-hwa retracts his claim and swears that he’d raise their baby on his own. Yuri scoffs and asks if he’s trying to impress her. God, this hurts.

The flashback belongs to Kang-hwa, and in the present, this memory is clearly hurting him too. He asks Yuri how she found out about his remarriage, and she says she just did. He asks why she isn’t asking why he did it, but when she shoots that exact question at him, he fumbles and says that it just happened.

Yuri tells him that the correct answer should be that he had to move on with his life. Yuri then goes on, showing that she knows how he met Min-jung as classmates. Kang-hwa apologizes, and Yuri responds that he shouldn’t be since he didn’t do anything wrong, and that she’s not here to ruin his life.

Kang-hwa assumes that means Yuri knows what she is here for and asks excitedly if she remembers how she came back to life. Yuri claims that she doesn’t but that she suspects that she’s here to do something. She doesn’t explain what, and instead asks about the bag in Kang-hwa’s hands, which holds a brand new phone for her.

At Yuri’s parents’ house, Mom wears a small smile as she looks at her own phone. The smile drops when Yeon-ji returns with the bag of supplements and no news about who left it. Mom still suspects Kang-hwa, but Yeon-ji says it’s definitely not him. Mom shoos Yeon-ji out and returns to her phone, where she scrolls through Min-jung’s photo stream of photos of Seo-woo.

Dad drags Yeon-ji to another room to ask for help: it seems he’s an avid fan of Min-jung’s photos as well, but Min-jung hasn’t updated her account for three months now. He asks Yeon-ji if she can ask Min-jung to update again, but Yeon-ji makes it clear that’s not happening. Dad expresses his frustration with not being able to see Seo-woo at all.

Yeon-ji suggests they scope Geun-sang’s account, since his kid goes to the same daycare. Neither expects the endless feed of OOTD posts, all with Geun-sang’s head cropped out. Heehee.

Geun-kang must sense them cursing him, because he picks at his ear as he helps Hyun-jung out at the bar. But it’s Kang-hwa’s confession that Yuri has come back to life that’s haunting him, and Hyun-jung is also grappling with the mysterious food delivery, especially because no one else really knows it’s one of her favorite places for eel. Geun-kang suggests a ghost culprit, and gets hit for it.

A woman at the bar calls for another beer, and Geun-sang quietly asks Hyun-jung why the woman keeps coming back when it’s so obvious that she dislikes her. Hyun-jung says it must be the food. The woman speaks up when she notes that Hyun-jung’s son is at the bar, and suggests that it’s a bad place for a developing child to be spending their time.

Hyun-jung doesn’t hesitate to tell the woman to mind her own business. She says that she’ll take care of her own kid, and the woman should do the same for hers. Later when they’re closing up, Geun-kang asks if Hyun-jung’s response was intended for him just as much as the nosy customer.

Geun-kang says that he recalls what his own mother did to her when Yuri died. In flashback, Geun-kang’s mother holds Hyun-jung back from attending Yuri’s funeral. Mom scolds that it will be bad luck to attend a funeral after just giving birth. Geun-kang comes to Hyun-jung’s defense, saying that Yuri was like Hyun-jung’s sister, and eventually Hyun-jung breaks away and heads to the funeral. But it’s not an easy thing, and she stops to cry into her sleeve.

Back in the present, Hyun-jung says that she understands how his mother felt, and she knows her own mother would have had the same reluctance. Geun-sang wants to give his wife a kiss, surprised by her understanding, and Hyun-jung returns to her old feisty self and bats him away.

In her hotel room, Yuri marvels at all the new updates to her phone. She logs right into her social media, where she discovers that Hyun-jung has been leaving her messages all this time. As she scrolls through though, her finger accidentally slips over the “like” button (this is a nightmare even when you’re not supposed to be dead!)

And sure enough, Hyun-jung’s phone buzzes with a notification that Yuri has liked her message. Hyun-jung drops her phone in surprise, while Yuri rolls around in her room begging for the chance to cancel the interaction.

Kang-hwa is having his own meltdown locked in his bathroom. He considers telling Min-jung what’s going on, but then immediately rejects that idea. He instead wishes that he had gotten to tell Yuri the truth about his new marriage himself.

And what have the ghosts been up to all this time? Tough guy ghost Geum-jae wonders which girl has left a love note on his spot in the columbarium, but a girl moves the note on to Sang-bong’s spot. The baseball players fanclub has amassed to mourn him, and Geum-jae is not impressed. He tries to intimidate Sang-bong, but Sang-bong’s not at all interested, as editor ghost Hye-Jin watches.

Yuri comes to visit Midongdaek, but the other ghosts are ahead of her in line for their afterlife counseling. Granny ghost Mrs. Jung wants to stay to see her daughter survive cancer, and of course Midongdaek approves her continued lingering.

Back in the columbarium, editor ghost Hye-jin tells Sang-bong Geum-jae’s backstory. The guy was a notoriously cruel loan shark, who died one day when steel bars fell on him. All of his debitors were instantly released of their debts.

So of course during Geum-jae’s counseling session, he asks Midongdaek to help his mom find his ledger so that she can go collect his money. Geum-jae throws a tantrum when Midongdaek refuses to help him further punish the debtors, but even he passes counseling and gets to remain on earth.

It’s only after the big family of ghosts who refuse to move on all get their passes that Yuri finally manages to sneak in. Yuri’s looking for a talisman to banish the little boy ghost at the daycare. Midongdaek promptly prints off a talisman, haha, and swears that it works just the same as a handwritten one. Though Midongdaek isn’t sure that it will work on young ghosts.

Midongdaek congratulates Yuri on her plan to free her daughter of her ghost visions, attesting that it is a lonely life. She then wonders what Yuri’s plans are for getting her husband back, and Yuri won’t even consider the topic. She instead says that her plan is to leave for the afterlife as soon as she’s banished all the ghosts from her daughter.

Meanwhile, Min-jung and Seo-woo exist a psychological evaluation clinic. Min-jung asks Seo-woo to keep the visit a secret, and Seo-woo nods solemnly and then offers Min-jung a gummy bear. Min-jung refuses, saying Seo-woo knows she doesn’t like gummies.

Hyun-jung happens to be passing by and smiles big for Seo-woo. Seo-woo offers her a gummy, and she pretends to eat it happily. Hyun-jung tries to give Min-jung a greeting as well, but Min-jung moves along coldly. Hyun-jung takes notice, however, of the clinic they’ve just left.

Geun-sang continues to try to counsel Kang-hwa, and Kang-hwa continues to resist seeking treatment. But now he’s completely preoccupied with Yuri’s return. He asks his friend what he would do if Hyun-jung returned to life after dying, but Geun-sang had already remarried, and Geun-sang says that he’d surely be dead (so true).

Geun-sang can’t handle the question, so Kang-hwa takes it to the lunch table and asks the nurses. Kang-hwa is surprised to hear them say that they could get over their husband remarrying, but they would miss their child. They say that many young mothers have a phobia of dying, mostly because they don’t know what would happen to their children.

Yuri has officially started her job at the daycare, and it involves zero contact with the kids and a lot of vegetable chopping. She struggles through the work until there’s finally a break, and she wanders out to find the ghost boy. In the hall she stops at a photo board with all of the kids’ families, and lingers on the photo of Kang-hwa, Min-jung, and Seo-woo smiling together.

She thinks back to the night before, when Kang-hwa questioned her motivation for working at the daycare. She promises not to tell anyone who she really is, but Kang-hwa tells her that it’s not necessary and that he’ll just let her see Seo-woo.

It’s a good thing to say, but Kang-hwa isn’t aware of the ghostly vision Seo-woo currently suffers, so Yuri returns to her search. She spots the ghost boy running for the kitchen and follows him to his hiding spot in the fridge. She brandishes the talisman at him, but nothing happens. Yuri tries throwing beans next to ward off spirits, but it just elicits giggles from the boy. Her kitchen coworker rouses from her break and is surprised to find Yuri mindlessly throwing beans into the fridge and muttering to herself.

At a temple, someone visits the little ghost boy remains, the name Hyuk-jin’s on the urn. Yuri’s mother is there as well, and Midongdaek leads a service. A concerned woman asks about a mourner who is has been frequenting the temple, and Midongdaek says that we have words for widows and orphans, but nothing for a parent who loses a child, because it is an indescribable state.

Yuri’s mother leads a support group for grieving mothers there outside the temple. She tries to comfort them, as she shares that she too felt lost both with people who understood her pain and those who didn’t even know about her loss. She says they each have to find their own way of coping, and that by visiting the temple, she’s come to see how wrong it was to assume that nothing tragic would ever happen to her.

Back at the daycare, lunchtime is hectic. But Yuri’s just glad to finally see Seo-woo, and totally gives her extra helpings of food. Her coworker leans over to share that she’s glad to see Seo-woo settled in, and that there was one particular mother who was really pushing to remove Seo-woo from the class, supposedly for the sake of the other kids.

After lunch the kids play a game where they gather up party hats on the floor. Poor ghost Hyuk-jin wants to play, but he can’t pick up anything in the real world. Seo-woo defies the daycare workers’ instructions and holds a hat out for Hyuk-jin, and then calls out the dead boy’s name as she chases after him. The workers exchange worried looks.

Min-jung sits at home with the results of Seo-woo’s evaluation, and things don’t look good. The report shows social skills, cognitive abilities, and reading comprehension all underdeveloped.

At the daycare, the workers wonder if they should tell someone about Seo-woo and her preoccupation with Hyuk-jin. Meanwhile, Yuri notices something else on the family photo board–Hyuk-jin and his family, and she realizes he might not even know he’s a ghost.

As afternoon arrives, the pandemonium of the daycare begins to wind down as parents arrive to pick up their kids. But the video doorbell never reveals Hyuk-jin’s mom, and the ghost grows more sullen as his playmates dwindle. Yuri bends down to smile at Hyuk-jin, who just wants to see his mom.

At Midongdaek’s place, her son yells at her to stay away from him and his family. He says that he can’t let his five year old son meet his grandmother while she’s a shaman who attracts ghosts. Yuri arrives just in time to scold the man for speaking to his mother that way, and she warns him that while he might look down on ghosts now, he could be one himself at any time.

Yuri leaves Midongdaek’s with new advice regarding Hyuk-jin. Midongdaek says that as soon as a baby ghost gets what they want, they’ll automatically ascend. Armed with this new knowledge, Yuri asks the director of the daycare if they can return the family photo to Hyuk-jin’s parents.

Yuri’s impatient, but Hyuk-jin’s mom finally arrives, and it’s one of the women from Yuri’s mother’s support group. The woman pauses at the front gate, overcome with anguish, but eventually rings the doorbell.

Hyuk-jin’s face lights up when he finally sees his mother at the door, and he races for her. But when Hyuk-jin’s mom looks down, it’s Seo-woo who stands in front of her. Seo-woo holds out the toy truck she’s been playing with, and the underside reveals that this was Hyuk-jin’s toy. Hyuk-jin’s mom can’t help but ask Seo-woo, “Is there someone there?” And though she doesn’t see it, Hyuk-jin gives his mother a hug.

Yuri watches as Hyuk-jin trots after his mother, and from the stairs she overhears from the daycare staff that it was Hyuk-jin’s mom who had been the one insisting that Seo-woo be removed from the classroom.

On her way to the daycare, Min-jung passes Hyuk-jin’s mom. The woman calls out to Min-jung, and apologizes to her for her previous behavior, though Min-jung doesn’t understand the change of heart.

At the restaurant, Geun-sang finally pulls up the CCTV to check for his wife’s supposed thieves. Meanwhile, Yuri leaves the daycare, but she runs into someone who stops her in her tracks. In front of her stands Hyun-jung, who covers her face in shock. At the restaurant, Geun-sang’s staring agape in the same pose as he watches Yuri appear on the CCTV footage. Flashes of their friendship fly by, as Hyun-jung stares in shock at her friend.

EPILOGUE

In 2015, Kang-hwa and Yuri visit their friends in the hospital after Hyun-jung gave birth. Everyone teases Geun-sang for being a drama queen, but he says he’s just overcome by his new status as dad and couldn’t stop crying when he first saw his son. Geun-sang congratulates Hyun-jung for doing a great job “at her age,” and that wins him a kick to his manhood, ha.

As they leave, Kang-hwa and Yuri tease each other and make a bet over who will cry first at the sight of their child. And then that day arrives, and Kang-hwa stands alone as he sees his daughter for the first time through the hospital nursery glass. His eyes are red, but he doesn’t cry a single tear. He retreats in his funeral attire, and ultimately wins their last bet.

 
COMMENTS

I’m telling you, it’s all about the prologues and epilogues here. It’s heartbreaking enough to see Kang-hwa stand before his newborn drained and emotionless, but to also witness the only moment in life when Yuri got to see her daughter born, and the tears she was able to shed for the both of them before she died… Yeah. I cried a lot. And this is only the second week.

More and more, Yuri’s 49 days feels less a test for Yuri and more an intervention to get Seo-woo on the right path. While the other mothers’ interest in Seo-woo is clearly selfishness disguised as performative concern, the evaluation results show that Seo-woo is falling behind her peers. While Yuri sees her ghostly presence as the cause for Seo-woo’s trouble, I’m interested in seeing how Min-jung takes responsibility for this new information, or how she possibly places responsibility at Kang-hwa’s feet as well.

Because while Kang-hwa rallied to keep both himself and Seo-woo alive in those first years, he’s also been distant, cold, and demanding. There’s a chill in Min-jung’s interactions with Seo-woo as well, like when she’s unwilling to even pretend to accept Seo-woo’s gummy offerings. The mystery remains as to whether this is how it’s always been, or if this is the final result of a slow decline.

Min-jung’s photo feed feels like a significant hint towards a happier time for the family. Up until three months ago, both Yuri’s mom and dad were both enjoying the regular photo updates of Seo-woo via her feed. Now, the feed has remained quiet for months, just as quiet as Min-jung has been. She doesn’t seem like a bad person, or like someone who was in it for the money. And that photo feed suggests that she may love Seo-woo very much. I wonder if she perhaps fell for Seo-woo, and then later had to wrangle with the fact that Kang-hwa was not willing to come around for either of them.

Hyun-jung made her parenting ethos very clear: take care of your own, and let others take care of theirs. When it comes to Seo-woo, it feels like the question might be, who is responsible when the parents aren’t stepping up to take care of their own? I’m hoping that Yuri’s here to show everyone how much Seo-woo needs them in her lives. Starting with her parents, but also those grandparents and family friends hiding at the edges just dying to love her.

Yuri’s found a kind way to send ghosts on their way, and may prove more effective than Midongdaek at the job. But little Hyuk-jin was easy to access. How does she plan to get into her old apartment to get rid of that apartment ghost they have lurking?

It’s interesting that right now Yuri doesn’t seem at all interested in trying to stay. She’s at least pretending to be satisfied with just undoing the harm she believes she’s caused. And that means doing her best to ignore poor Kang-hwa. It’s a total slap in the face for him, since he’s spent the last four years doing nothing but think of Yuri. To find that her concern is wholly somewhere else is unsettling. I suspect that he might be fearful right now that she’s here to punish him for moving on without her, but as Yuri continues to ignore him, I wonder if that fear will turn to frustration.

The nurses at Kang-hwa’s hospital make a powerful case to help him better understand why Yuri doesn’t seem that happy to see him. They say that they’d feel like a stranger to their husband if he had moved on, while still feeling vitally attached to a child.

But I still wonder if that is really the case. As more flashbacks flood in, we see that Yuri and Kang-hwa had one of those rare, passionate relationships. Yuri watched Kang-hwa suffer, and then also watched him move on. Just like Kang-hwa pushed down his feelings about the accident, I think Yuri may have compartmentalized her grief as she watched her true love move on without her. I like that Midongdaek is around to keep bringing the topic up, and I’m hoping it will eventually allow Yuri to get back to her own feelings, even if she doesn’t end up sticking around after her days are up.

Yuri has managed to keep her ghostly lingers a secret so far, but I’m betting it’s going to be a lot harder to keep secrets from Hyun-jung. Let’s all remember to hydrate for next week’s heartache and inevitable sobbing. And maybe by then Hyun-jung will convince Yuri to use Kang-hwa’s credit card to buy some new clothes.

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I found the little boy story to be both bittersweet and encouraging. How sometimes the dead can only move on when the living has finally picked themselves up to bravely face the present and the future. It's kind of lovely in a sad way that what prevented the boy from "going up" is the fact that his mother still doesn't have the courage to face her grief head on. It's a good parallel to Yu-ri's family and friends situation, because it's clear that many of them still haven't dealt with their grief properly and instead let themselves live frozen in the past.

I also like the reminder for us to be kind and thoughtful with what we say and do. Because we never know which one will hurt others and which one we hurt that will eventually help us in our bleakest situation. I'm sure Seo-woo's little gesture to the griefing mom is going to be a lifetime reminder of that particular lesson for her.

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From my understanding, he didn’t go up cos maybe he didnt realise he was dead. But that scene of him waiting for the mom to come, day by day, is just heartbreaking.

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Agree. It was the most heartwarming part of the episode.

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Agree. I l cried during those scenes with poor Hyun-jin and his mother. Those are the only scenes I cried for. The way the little boy was waiting for his mother, and the way the mother was still very reluctant in coping with the truth were heartbreaking. I smiled when he finally walked after her.

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Those were the only scenes I cried for too.

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The whole storyline about the two grieving mothers, Yuri's mom and the little boy's mother, was so well done. I had never really thought about the fact that there is no word for a parent who has lost a child, there is no word that can hold all that pain, and it is so true. My in-laws were like Yuri's mom; after my sister-in-law passed, they were never the same - never as joyful, never as enthusiastic about life as before, and they could not bear to speak of her...when they gave us her baby shoes, that they had preserved for decades, to keep as a memento, they did so without words. There were none.

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Oh the epilogue of this episode... I have to begin with the end. How heartbreaking, how unsettled, how painful...
LKH’s portrayal of Kang-Hwa is so powerful. In that scene and during the lunch time with the nurses. It’s all about realisation of a situation and the overwhelming feeling that he’s lost. That moment with the nurses, felt exactly like that, he then understood that he have lost her for the second time, as YuRi is not there for him, to try and solve or close things with him.
Regarding MinJung, at first I thought as she has thoughts about getting a divorce, that she had taken SeoWoo to the psychologist just to make sure she gets SeoWoo when they divorce, but when I saw the results I believe she genuinely cares for the little girl (even if I found the gummy situation a bit odd). I need to know more about her, and he way she feels about her marriage and her life.

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I think the writer is doing a very good job with the story, it's not the first time drama goes for a returned ghost, it could be very cliche, but I believe it's not, not till now.
Plus, I like the pace of the drama, it's not that they are being fast with anything but they don't drag anything either, the story is going on and things are happening without being pushed into the storyline.
Thanks for the Recap. :)

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i hope it's not just an intervention to get Seo-woo on the right path. I went into this show expecting heartache and sadness (based on the blurb and based on the reactions of other Beanies), but this show has been way harder hitting than I thought. I really want an ending where Yu-ri manages to stay and to be with her family, although it doesn't look like that's the direction this story is going in (although the story has laid groundwork that could go in either direction).

I also just want to say that the actors and actresses are doing bang-up jobs, although Lee Kyu-hyung in particular is killing me (Kim Tae-hee deserves a shout-out as well).

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Kim Tae hee is such a beautiful and bright actress! I am loving her so much in this interpretation, wow...

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The comedy and heart-wrenching moments of this drama yoyo so wildly that the hour just fly by. The adults are great but little Seo Woo n her lonely eyes 😭 Can everyone just shower some love and attention on her already please!

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The little girl is also amazing. She nails the lonely and introverted SeoWoo.

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It's a boy that plays Seo Woo.

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The little boy and his momma were Heartbreaking, I still tear up thinking of it. Next weekend's eps should be funny and sad. Your bestie coming to life is whoooo chile!!!

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This episode killed me. The mother coming back to the daycare with the little boy hugging her and Seo-woo giving her the car with his name still on it! Gosh, that was heartbreaking.

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Even the comments of these mothers who have lost a child, and the fact that there is no name to that because the pain is so big. Me, I am not a mother, but still, this drama is making me cry buckets every time it focuses on motherhood... 😭😭😭😭

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Yes, that was totally heartbreaking. Just your mentioning of that scene made me tear up again. Sigh..

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I really hope that some consequences come Kang hwa's way because this dude has it way too good.

I am just amazed how he is able to walk those hospital halls as a non working surgeon and they let him.

And something has to give at home as well and I am kinda hoping that Min jung finally starts to speak up and leave him.

More and more I am on Yu ri's Mom side in how to handle him.

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I don't think he has it way too good at all. He's in torment. He's barely functioning. Without his daughter, he probably wouldn't be alive.

I think he was irresponsible for not telling Professor Jang about his condition sooner. That's on him, and he deserves a penalty for that. But I think accommodation is definitely in order, at least until it can be shown that there's no reasonable prospect of recovery. That's the right thing to do. People shouldn't be kicked out of their jobs because they're having difficulties with their mental health; they should be supported and accommodated as much as reasonably possible first, and only then should termination be considered.

I hope Min-jung leaves him as well. I think it would be the best for both of them. It doesn't seem like Kang-hwa's emotionally invested in the marriage (he seems to be as in love with Yu-ri as ever) and it seems like she's having a hard time living with him. She seems like a good person; at the very least, she deserves a relationship in which she is given attention. I think it would be best for everybody if Yu-ri returned to her place.

I respect Yu-ri's mom for her tough love and for realizing what Kang-hwa needed (i.e. that he needed Seo-woo as an anchor to stay alive and even the slightest hint of a lifeline, somebody who could take care of Seo-woo without him, would make suicide seem like a viable option for him again). However, I'm not sure the brusque manner is what he needs. He seems depressed and aggrieved, and being angry and harsh with a person in that state is usually not a good idea.

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I would totally be with you if he was not denying help and it was being allowed. That is what I mean by he has it too good. The fact that Geun sang is the therapist on record for his notes are allowed means that none of this is helping, he knows it and knows he can get away with it. It takes a little more than torment to be that smart.

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I agree that he should be more responsible about his condition. Taking advantage of his friend's position as a psychiatrist is also a huge red flag. But I don't want think he's being conniving or calculative. I think he's struggling and I think he's just desperately trying to find ways to stay afloat. I don't blame for him for taking advantage of his friend (although I do think it was the wrong thing to do); to Kang-hwa, pressuring Geun-sang probably seemed like the easiest solution and a way of ignoring a problem which, if he confronted openly, could very easily sink him.

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@smaltwalt I agree with you. I know that what Kang-hwa has done using his friend's position as a psychiatrist is wrong, but I kinda understand him as well. That's his way of ignoring the fact that he has to face the reality head-on. I think it's a way of running away from grieve and the fact that his wife has died. He has never been ready to face it; he has been in despair all along. Now that Yuri appeared again and the fact the she seems to be preoccupied with Seon-woo just made my heart ache; I don't know how Kang-hwa can cope with such situation given that he still has his own issues to deal with.

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I also hope Min-jung start to speak up and ask Kang-hwa to take a more active part in raising Seo-woo. He needs to be more emotionally available for the kid (and also Min-jung) and I think Seo-woo's underdeveloped abilities is probably has much things to do with her parents' distance with her.

@abirdword mentioned the 3 months of sudden silence in Min-jung's social media that's probably the sign of something not going well in her home during that period. I wonder if that was when Seo-woo started to attend her daycare and also the beginning of all the nasty rumours Min-jung continuously heard about her marriage and the way she treated Seo-woo. I can only imagine the pressure it build up in her especially if she couldn't confide to her husband or anyone else who might understand. They need to communicate better and stopped brushing their respective problems off as something "trivial".

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It is looking more and more like Kang hwa married her so he would not have to deal with his daughter who looks like the love of his life day after day. Min jung we know is/was a nurse and she probably helped him in some capacity with Seo woo and Min jung thinking marriage would make their situation better because we see how Kang hwa talks and treats his daughter. I am noticing that Kang hwa is a bit selfish and aloof and he has always has someone around who thought it was cute ( his friends, Yu ri and now Min jung) and never really called him on it.

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I agree with some of this. It definitely seems like there's been a lack of real commitment from Kang-hwa. If I had to guess, it's probably in line with how he's approached everything in his life since Yu'ri's death. Marrying Min-jung is a superficial fix to deeper emotional problems and creates the illusion for the rest of the world that he's moved on.

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I agree with you. I think that Kang-hwa marrying Min-jung because of some reasons, but those reasons are not love. I also think that it's his way of avoiding the contact between him and Seon-woo, and Min-jung seems like a nice person. On the other hand, the picture of Min-jung, Seon-woo and him on the kindergarten's board shows a lovely relationship between them three; the fact that Min-jung updated her social media featuring Seon-woo's pictures until 3 months ago seem to suggest that something happened at that time, and it's so unsettling that Min-jung considered getting a divorce. I wonder what that might be.

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I agree with you particularly on the point that they need to trust each other a lot more if they want this marriage to last. The scenes where Kang-hwa didn't tell Min-jung straight-forwardly and those where Min-jung didn't tell him openly about things are just so unsettling. Any relationship will break if this kind of doings continues.

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Midongdaek promptly prints off a talisman, haha, and swears that it works just the same as a handwritten one.

Hmmm, going a bit high tech, but still years behind. If you take pictures of a bunch of talismans and store them in your hand-phone, would that work? And give you another reason to make sure the battery doesn't run low?

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If the show keeps up its trend of having someone close to Yu-ri see her near the end of the episode, I hope the next person would be her Mom. It seems like Yu-ri doesn't even plan to stay, if not for chasing ghosts away from Seo-woo, but now that she has the chance to connect with everyone who were close with her, we might see something else. Maybe she is similar to her Mom, trying to hide all the pain and sadness, but we'll see.

I'm going to need a box of tissue before watching next week's episodes.

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I think she's suppressing her longing to be alive. She's been the most emotional around her daughter (as she should be), but we've also seen instances where Yu-ri's been moved to emotion by other people as well; to me, the fact that she has these strong reactions, but also the fact that they're occasional, is extremely suggestive. I still think it's odd that she hasn't had a stronger reaction to Kang-hwa, but I speculate that this is because she's trying not to cause him more anguish and because she doesn't want to feel any more pain herself. (I don't know how much of this is projection by me onto her - I think there are scenes in the episodes so far which support this interpretation, although we'll ultimately have to wait and see.) Watching Kang-hwa is breaking my heart. I want him to be happy and with Yu-ri again.

The scenes with Mom have been almost as difficult to watch as the scenes with Kang-hwa. I don't doubt for a minute that losing a parent or a spouse is a tragedy - potentially an unbearable one, in Kang-hwa's case. But losing a child is different. I can't speak for myself (don't have kids), but I've witnessed it in other people. A parent whose child passes away always seems to lose a piece of him or herself. I think it's because the love a parent has for his or her child is just different, qualitatively speaking.

I ultimately hope Yu-ri stays, but I am not confident that the story will go in this direction.

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The flashbacks aren't helping either, because the more I see them, the more I feel Yu-ri and Kang-hwa's love for each other (giving some hints that Kang-hwa and Min-jung might not be the endgame), and the more I want Yu-ri to stay for good, but it might be impossible. The time when Yu-ri was asked by Midongdaek, she hesitated for a little bit before telling her that she's going to disappear once she chases ghosts away from Seo-woo and ultimately makes the child unable to see ghosts.

Can this show just make everyone happy in the end? I know I am asking for much but Yu-ri's death was so unfair that she deserves a second chance in life. Can this show be Clannad-ish where everything was just a dream before the baby was born?

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LOL at the Clannad reference. I didn't like that anime (too sad!), but that's beside the point. I wouldn't complain one bit about all this being a dream or if the writer opted for a weird Go Back Spouses-style ending.

I took the hesitation with Midongdaek to be an example of how Yu-ri's trying to control her emotions. I think there will be a turning point in the drama where she'll decide she wants to try to stay, but I'm not sure whether the plot will ultimately give her that ending.

I know it's not fair, but I sort of don't like Min-jung because she looms (in my mind) as an adversary to Yu-ri. I say this despite acknowledging that Min-jung seems to have done a heroic job in what seems like a strained relationship.

I know it's been mentioned that Min-jung and Kang-hwa seem to have had a better relationship just 3 months ago, but I have my doubts about whether Kang-hwa has ever been seriously invested in the relationship. He's too torn up about Yu-ri's passing and, frankly, he seems to have barely held it together for the past four years. It's a wonder he hasn't completely disintegrated.

I think the show could go one of two ways with Kang-hwa. Yu-ri's return could be a final opportunity for Kang-hwa to say goodbye to Yu-ri and to make peace with himself and with the cards he's been dealt. In this ending, he would finally have a proper relationship with Mi-jung. Alternatively, Yu-ri's return could be an opportunity to fix what went wrong by giving him and her a second chance. I have to (begrudgingly) admit that there would probably be a certain beauty to the first option (it would definitely be more realistic).

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I really really want this show to not go on a realistic path and have Yu-ri stay (is that too much?). Having her go would make this drama a lot more similar to Rain's Come Back Mister (which is such a gem tbh and became my introduction to Oh Yeon-seo and Lee Tae-hwan), but that drama had a set of rules that cannot be broken, while this one still gave some window for Yu-ri to come back for good. I definitely wouldn't like Yu-ri's return to cause things to become difficult for other people, especially Min-jung, but seeing now that she wants to divorce Kang-hwa (and we obviously know why), I think there would be little to no damages and that will actually help Min-jung go on her way and be happy (without Kang-hwa, but I do hope she stays in a good relationship with Seo-woo).

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I so want this to have a happy ending, you really can see in the flashbacks how much Yuri and Kang Hwa loved each other. Writer nim please let this be just a dream of Yuri while she's in coma. I think there was a scene with the ghosts where they said in passing how hard it was for Yuri when Kang Hwa remarried, hope we can see Yuri's struggle during that time.

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I wouldn't mind if this show is going on a direction similar to the movie Be With You, but I am in if it's similar to that!

I think we'll definitely see Yu-ri's struggle, but it seems like the drama was building up things before leading to that reveal, similar to what they did in Go Back Couple, where they didn't immediately gave away the side of our main leads during their struggle when Jin-joo's Mom died.

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Kim Mi-kyung, one of my absolute favorite actresses, is of course doing an amazing job as Yuri's mom (what Can't she do, really?). In fact, I think the acting quality is very high across the board in this drama.

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I agree with this. She always delivers great performances.

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Exactly! she needs that new clothes. I can't wait to know the other couple's reaction to Yuri's return.

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Thank you for the recap @abirdword! You've provided some interesting insight which I haven't thought of before. And thank you for all the Beanies' comments. I wouldn't have noticed that much without yours. My thoughts are like this:

1. My feeling is that the show will go in the direction of Yuri leaving for good at the end of the show. My first supporting reason is that the show's title if 'Hi, Bye, Mama! When she returned in the human form, if I'm not mistaken which I think is not the case, I remembered hearing her said 'hi' to Seon-woo. That leaves us with 'Bye.' Quite convincing, isn't it? lol. My second reason is that, as some of you have suggested, it's more realistic. We all know that people who have passed away do not return, so I just don't think the show will portray something opposite to this direction. I also think that before she leaves, she will just make sure that everyone has their closure with her departure and can move on with life. I am quite convinced that this show is following this route.

2. Regarding Min-jung, seeing her being gloomy like that while fulfilling all her required task as a mother and a wife just disturbs me so much I just want them getting a divorce right away; why staying with a man when you're not happy? At this stage, I think Min-jung will have problems too if things continue to be like this. Moreover, they don't seem to have any intimate feelings for one another; all I can see is two friends living together under the same roof and taking care of the same kid and nothing more. In that case, just be friends! And just like what I've commented here elsewhere, they keep things to themselves most of the time, and no wonder why Seon-woo was like that. What will you expect to happen to a child if the atmosphere in the house is like that? Kang-hwa's condition doesn't affect only himself, but all of his family members. He truly needs treatments now.

3. While I feel like Kang-hwa married Min-jung because he wanted someone to take care of Seon-woo (and because Seon-woo reminds him of his late wife and the accident that took her away), my assumption is that Min-jung married him because of love. I don't have grounds to support this as we have to just wait and see, and her picture in Seon-woo's kindergarten suggested that. And something must have happened 3 months ago and made her think getting divorce is a viable choice. However, I also feel like she truly cares for Seon-woo, and her taking Seon-woo to a psychiatrist's clinic was totally for Seon-woo's sake. The scene which she didn't receive a gummy bear from Seon-woo disturbed me too; I don't know how this scene fits into my theories, or I can assume that my theories might be wrong.

4. I just got this idea from reading the recaps and comments here. Perhaps I don't want Min-jung to end up living with Kang-hwa. If Kang-hwa doesn't love her that much, and if she can accept that, they can get a divorce and can still be friends and...

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...mother and father to Seon-woo. I'm sure if Kang-hwa's pain is healed, he can take care of Seon-woo himself, and that will give the audience a refreshing perspective as the show will end with this kind of relationship. I think it's realistic and quite unique. Very unique for the Korean society I'd say.

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This drama has made me cry too many times and I hope its a happy ending and that she comes back to life ( although I doubt it). What I like about this drama is Yu Ri is focused only on helping her daughter and then she will leave, she isnt trying to stay. Most K dramas, the female lead would do anything to stay on earth but this isnt playing out like that. I also think her purpose is to help her husband either move on or heal and her parents especially her mother. This is a really good drama!!

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