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Open Thread #749

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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In spite of our differences, we all want the same thing- a roof over our heads, food on the table and a safe place to raise our children.

Thinking and praying for our Ukrainian brethren this am

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Its all about where money is. Those r crucial basic needs taught by life 2 every1. If we have 2 seek fiction 2 learn about basics of human society then surely things r wrong or v r way up in food chain.

Certain population of certain region have more value compared to certain others facing equal or even more misery.

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It is an indication of the singular warp in today's world that money/ things are considered the highest good, separate from fundamental needs.....extrinsic vs. Intrinsic

And no, (back to #1) we are the same

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I completely disagree. Human world was always like that. fighting over limited resources n overinflated personalities.

Privileged class always have it easy n they really like brush off reality.
I have said it numerous times here - human world is unfair. equals n equality r just phony words used to appear good in society. Those facing misery can't buy the sweet songs of "we are same".

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You are not saying anything that anyone doesn't know. Since the original post expresses concern for Ukraine and its first words are "in spite of our differences", it's obvious that @beantown is perfectly aware that fairness and equality are difficult to achieve. Also, "same" and "equal" do not always have identical meanings. To say that humans are the same in that they share the same basic needs is not "sweet" or "phony" - it is a fact.

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I assume you are the upper part of the society when you consider the start of possible 3rd WW as a popcorn time. Yes those rich people are so screwed in their brains that they think they are beyond everything and everyone. They are bored and nothing is exciting them anymore so why not some real "hunger games"!? They're like cockroaches - they're the reason for destroying the world, nature included, and they will surely survive.

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All my family is just living next door. My parents are blinded by russian propaganda which had them brainwashed until 1989. They think that it's just exaggerated by us media. I asked them when the bombs will fell on their heads they will still think it's not that senile mad little man's fault?! I don't know why but almost all those "great" war leaders were little men trying to boost their egos by sending innocent to living hell.

I was reading the prophecies about 3rd WW and it looks like all those repetitive nightmares I have from my childhood are becoming a reality. I didn't have access to action or war movies when growing up but those vivid dreams, especially one in particular returned 2 years ago. I don't know what to do. When I think about all those people trying to hide and survive and what children have to go through I fear that it will happen soon to my family, friends and to my children.

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We have met the enemy and they are us! WWIII, or the extinction of the earth--either way we die! I'm amazed that I was taught to get under my school desk in event of a nuclear attack (as if that would save me)--and all these decades later the thought of WWIII doesn't scare me inn the least. I'm more enraged at all the people on this earth that keep living like they own the earth, be they rich or poor, and they don't do anything to try and save it. I've been working on saving Mother Nature since 1969, and still do everyday. Yet there are folks much younger than me that use pesticides and herbicides, throw away food by the ton, and live in a "just get something new everyday" society. Thank goodness I won't be around for the war Mother Nature finally wins!

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There are some genres that kdrama does well and others not so well. Korea has been mostly a miss on sci-fi works. I wonder if it related to the fact Korea had no space program as compared to the United States’ long, generational space explorations. Kids did not grow up wanting to be astronauts; they wanted to grow up to be well educated and wealthy. It is also rare to find an all-out great comedy series like Pegasus Market. I would like to see more quirky comedies.

I think South Koreans would say their historical dramas are the best while international fans would probably go with melodramas or the most recent wave of action-zombie flicks.

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I believe it's because sci-fi requires TIGHT writing. You need to think through and establish the science and "rules" and stick to them else things don't add up. Kdramas have always been weak on tight writing and extensive world building. They have lots of plotholes (that viewers are willing to overlook) and writers make the story up as the drama airs.

China is surprisingly good at sci-fi, both novel and film formats.

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I personally think Korea is unmatched when it comes to crime dramas, its the one genre they have down to a science.

Sci-fi in general tends to be difficult to pull off as the previous comment noted, the world building has to be extremely tight and the show must not break its own established rules.

Dramaland is not good at that at all.

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I'm not sure I'd agree with the really broad generalization of drama genre preferences... There's probably a reason why the melodrama genre thrived before the market exploded to international audiences.

But to your point about space sci-fi, that's an interesting take - I never considered the US' long history in space exploration. I think also a large reason why the Korean sci-fi genre is weak is because GOOD sci-fi normally requires a very high budget, along with an industry of expertise, studios, etc. Korea's movie and drama budgets (and studios, experts, etc.) weren't anywhere close to what Hollywood has long had. Traditional K-drama production had never been set up for such high-budget production and highly-finessed scriptwriting, and only started changing pretty recently (I'm guessing maybe the last 10-15 years?) so they're still pretty new at it.

As the market for it grows (thanks Netflix), so will the budget, infrastructure, and talent pool, and hopefully we'll see the genre improve over the next decade or so.

@Doppleganger that's interesting - maybe I should explore Chinese sci-fi films! China has also long had larger production scale and budgets, so maybe that helps too??

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@mbear Not sure if it has to do with the budget. China has been churning out really amazing sci-fi books (prime example being 3 Body Trilogy by Liu Cixin) which has won Nebula Awards, and that has spilled over into the film sector.

Perhaps it has something to do with the Chinese government's investment in hard sciences? Good sci-fi requires a strong grounding in science and intellectual rigor to pull off.

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Some time ago I saw someone on Youtube comment that Asian sci-fi (I think he was talking about Chinese film) suffered from a historic inferiority complex relative to US. The result is they often *try too hard*, and in so doing they often spoil their own product. Granted, I can think of a lot of American films, too, that ruined things by trying too hard.

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I'm setting aside time today to troubleshoot Viki, which I watch from a Roku. They revamped the format so there's no way to sort countries, genres, etc. Plus, the headache of being left stranded on multiple Kokowa shows. I started several things and was not able to get back into them, kept getting "error 6." I know I'll eventually figure it out, but it's just frustrating.

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I know what you are saying @thimble. I got error 6 last night when I went to continue watching episode 15 of MOONSHINE.
Since (for some stupid reason long forgotten) I subscribe to both Viki Plus and Kocowa I was able to go to Kocowa and continue watching that episode. I just checked on my Roku TV and the issue seems to have been resolved.
The Viki main page format on Roku imho has always been messy and now even more so. I probably scrolled down to the “Coming Soon” list daily because it often times was different from the list on the app I would access on my Ipad. As far as I can tell now the “Coming Soon” list is not on the main page on Roku TV.
On the plus side, last night for the heck of it, I went to Viki’s Twitter help account and the error 6 problem was acknowledged.

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Yeah, I tried to watch moonshine yesterday on my Roku and on my iPhone and it errorwd on both. The VIKI page says they have it fixed today though. It has to do with Kokowa interface apparently. Only Kocowa shows were affected.

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I hate their app for iPad. But then I'm not that happy with my iPad period.

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It took me awhile to find it, but sorting by countries can be done using the 'search' function... on my tablet device.

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While analysis of pop culture seems a little frivolous right now, in hopes of a feel-better story, I’ll mention that my local paper, the Los Angeles Times, had a couple of kdrama themed articles lately. One was on K-romances, arguing that they were particularly appealing because they depicted really well the subtle push-pull of a developing relationship, with a kiss being a culmination. Although there are other reasons I like them, I agree, except in some dramas I feel the kiss is so long delayed that it becomes absurdly unrealistic even in the slow-burning trajectory of classic fictional romances. To quote my favorite English subtitler, “Aigoo, just go ahead and kiss, you rascals!”

The other L.A. Times article this week was yet one more analysis of the success of the Korean international cultural wave. Its themes were familiar, stressing K-pop’s global appeal really taking hold in the 1990s, and opening doors for other creative efforts; the filmmaking skill developed in-house, by Korean based studios; and of course shrewd marketing from several powerful Korean agencies. Again, I think there’s more involved, but its hard to disagree with these reasons. Still, it sure is an interesting phenomenon—a small, largely homogenous country having such a global impact

Of course, I’m really worried about the world in general, maybe not so much about Korean cultural influence, but as a fan, I wonder how long the wave will last. Pop culture is quite fickle and faddish, so I have to feel that kdramas are not going to retain their viral appeal. But in the meantime, I think significant credit goes to sites like Dramabeans for contributing to k-drama’s global success!

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I almost forgot to say, following up my post on the L.A. Times articles,that what gave me a little thrill about the second article is that it had a couple of quotes from Dramabeans founder, Sarah Chung. It also had an accompanying photo of Sarah, and Jen Chung, who I understand arrived at Dramabeans a few years after the founding.

As a side note, I appreciated being able to assign a couple of faces to the archived blog entries and recaps I’ve read enthusiastically when I’m deciding which older shows to watch. While there is absolutely no real reason except curiosity to know what a writer looks like—commenting style and “voice” have nothing to do with appearance-- still a photograph gives the illusion of in-person conversation. I can “see” them speaking in my minds eye.

But--I well understand why anonymity is extremely desirable in the often scary world of the Internet! Plus staying slightly anonymous allows contributors and commentators to avoid the hordes of young fans massing in hopes of a glimpse of their Dramabeans idols, and it also means agencies don’t prohibit commentators to date and or marry before their late 30s!

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Don't know if you've seen Sarah and Jen's videos on Nextflix's kdrama channel, The Swoon, on YouTube? It's a series of videos labeled SwoonWorthy and their conversations on kdramas are a hoot.

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No I wasn't aware of these! Thanks for the tip--Based on their writing, I'm sure I'll really enjoy them!

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Just today figured out how to watch Gaksital/Bridal Mask (2012) legally. Blown away by ep 1 and went to look for a Dramabeans recap. Sure enough it's javabeans and the review begins with... ,
"Oh, hell yes!".

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I only recently put two and two together, probably because of their pseudonyms here. I wish Netflix would hire them as permanent Swoon staff and continue the excellent series, there don’t seem to be any new videos.

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I was also really hoping the series would continue but maybe pandemic and/or their real lives intervened?

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The Swoon has a very active Instagram account.

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Do you have links to the Times articles?

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The one on romances by Crystal Villarreal "Why the Swoon-worthy Romances of Korean T.V. are Winning over American viewers, appeared on Valentines Day (of course):
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2022-02-14/netflix-valentines-day-crash-landing-on-you-kdramas-romance

The one on Korea's "viral moment" by Victoria Kim is dated February 10th on line, but it appeared in my print edition this week, on February 22nd:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-10/how-south-koreas-cultural-exports-were-primed-for-the-viral-moment

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Thanks, that first article is so interesting, I never heard of “mildang “.

I do wonder about the following, I wonder how the commenter explains the fact that (imo) there are LOTS of toxic men in kdrama but they’re not sexual predators.

“But that doesn’t mean Americans should be fooled into thinking that dating in Korea mirrors the fantasy depicted on TV.

“There are definitely toxic Korean men and there’s definitely toxic masculinity in Korea. But that’s not shown in the drama,” Jeong said. “So for instance, the cute, wholesome part of Korean dramas, when the guy doesn’t have sex with you until he’s totally in love with you, that’s a flip side of the misogyny we have here, because the guys think they have to protect you sexually.””

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You raise an excellent point. I understood her to be saying that "putting women on the pedestal" -- saying you admire women because they are so moral and pure, and wouldn't dare touch them until a true commitment is established-- is in fact demeaning, because it suggests that women aren't real complex humans with physical desires. So that's another side of a misogyny that would just treat women as sex objects and ignore other parts of their humanity.
But since there are toxic men, AND depictions of women's desires in the shows, if only in the comic fanning of the face and saying "its hot in here" to signify arousal, I always had a more benign interpretation of the "cute wholesome part" of the male lead-that it was to show that he was worthy of the heroine because he was interested in her as a whole person and not just sexually attracted to her.

As I said above, though, at times I find the behavior of the male character so absurd (that is, in abstaining from making any physical move even when it is clear the woman is willing) that it spoils the romance for me!

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@hacja Thanks! I see what you are saying. I like what the article said about kdramas taking “the high road” and that’s part of their appeal.

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They had a DB party about 5 years and many beanies met them in person. @lordcobol was one. They wrote a book as well, “Why do kdramas do that?” And did have some drunken vlogs back in the day as well. Seems like a million years ago now.

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They’re under videos and go to the 10th page. https://www.dramabeans.com/videos/page/10/

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The book is $1.99 at Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Do-Dramas-That-Part-ebook/dp/B00FJXQ476

A few years back I handed my Kindle to a friend and he got as far as a reference to the "Amnesia Fairy" before he decided to get his own copy.

That's on page 1.

Recommended and Lord Cobol Approved :)

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The past two years I've learned how swim, took cooking classes from an Indian chef, de-cluttered my house, joined a hiking club and made two new friends who are from a different country.

I just want to encourage everyone to "do more", "see more" and to make their own happiness.

Life is way to short to dwell on negative nonsense that adds no value to your life.

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Thanks! I’m very impressed with what you’ve accomplished!
I am in the middle … okay, the START of a massive decluttering that really needs to be done by Tuesday and I’m running out of steam. Whyyyyyyy did I think all these “things” were important enough to have to own them??? 🤦🏼‍♀️

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Decluttering sucks. I have three kids who bring in stuff faster than I remove it, plus I also like to have things, plus a husband who also likes to have things 😅

I periodically get worried I will turn into my grandmother, whose house was legit a fire hazard (I’m not exaggerating; her children were told it needed to be cleared out or she couldn’t stay there) and get rid of things; but I really need to be more systematic about it.

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I always swear I won’t leave it all behind to be dealt with by someone else but … just never get around to the actual doing. Now I have a structural engineer coming in and he has to see every single wall, even the (giant walk in) closets! Which are stuuuuuuuffed full of a million abandoned hobbies and rejected furnishings. Whoooooo, I’m gonna be busy for a while 😬

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I have a husband who just periodically throws things a way and when I’m looking for them later, just just tells me he threw it a away a year ago. We don’t have a ton of clutter though. 😆

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I probably should have signed up for your system 😉

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I feel you, I've become a lot more frugal over the past few years and i cringe/cry at how much money i wasted on junk i never actually used.

Keep at it though, you will feel much better when you are done.

Fighting!!!!!

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Thank you! I see your understanding is at a high level by the phrase “I never actually used”. 😁😁😁

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That must not be aesy to achieve considering the nature of the last two years and how it went by for people. People like me fell in a life slump. Congratulations for achieving all that, great job!

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

This nasty cold has been plaguing me all week and I finally must admit defeat.🤧 My brain is too exhausted and clogged to come up with anything passing for an OT masterpiece this week. I do have some lovely things to look forward to in the following weeks, so I probably can resume my weekly reports from next week onwards. But first, beauty sleep for me!😴

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Hope you sleep well and wake up refreshed.

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I certainly did! Thank you!

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My heart breaks.

I don't remember the last time I slept. The last time I ate. Sitting here, in another country, helpless.

Thank you all, Beanies, for expressing support for Ukraine. My mom still lives in Ukraine, and it was heartbreaking to discuss with her the contingency plan using such words as "bomb shelter", "air raid sirens" and "evacuate".

Anyone who uses this situation to advance their "topic of interest" should be ashamed of themselves. Kyiv is still standing but I'm afraid soon it will fall, resulting in untold casualties. God, prevent this massacre. Support Ukraine by donating, volunteering, praying.

Слава Україні! Героям слава!

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@bomibeans, this such a paltry, insufficient gesture but please know my heart, my thoughts, my prayers and all of my hope goes out to you and your mum and to all the people of Ukraine right now. I am so, so sorry you are having to live through such senseless suffering. And yes, we are also calling, writing, donating and doing as much as we can to act on behalf of what is right. ❤️

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No kind gesture is too small. THANK YOU.

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❤️

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@bomibeans You already know, I hope, how much I enjoy and respect your comments on fun topics here, but hearing about your Mom gives me a whole new level of concern for you and of course your family. Please keep us updated if you have a chance! I will be thinking of you everytime I log into this site.

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It's really terrible. I was just reading about women and kids that are separating themselves from their fathers, husband's, partners to try to be safe and are crossing the border. I hope my parents would provide any shelter needed for anyone in need. And I hope it won't be the same regarding the west help as it was in Bosnia and Kosovo. I hope for your family to keep safe.

I knew China will support Russia because they have their own interests in Thaiwan, Hong Kong and Butan. That will try to profit from the situation and I hope it won't trigger other countries like Turkey, Israel, NK to be greedy of their neighbours they have been in long-term conflict with.

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@BC - I read about many Ukrainian women who have taken up arms to defend their communities as well.
And, I share your concerns. Turkey already supported Azerbaijan to the hilt in 2020 when Azerbaijan brutally attacked the Artsakh/Ngorno Karabagh region and forcibly reclaimed the area which had been an Armenian enclave for centuries and was only given to Azerbaijan in 1921 by Stalin in an act of political bastardry without consultation and in violation of the right to self-determination of Armenians who lived there.

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❤️🇺🇦❤️
I am hoping the West will figure out more ways to do what is right, and do it. Now.

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@bomibeans: I am so sorry that this is the only small support I can offer you. If it is not too presumptuous, I am sending you a big hug and wishing that this nightmare would have a quick and just resolution. Many of us here are in solidarity with you all. If you have tine, could you mention which organisation/s you would recommend re donations?
I am sending you love and hope.❤️

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Yes please let us know if there are any organizations for donations you or any beanies come across through which we can support the people in need. You, your family, your country people and also other people in the world suffering in similar situations are in my prayers bomibeans.

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@wapz- I just came across this Guardian article which despite having a few specific ones to Australia, has a few globally accessible recommendations as well:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/how-can-australians-help-the-people-of-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

These are:
1. The Ukrainian Red Cross
2. Save the Children
3. Voices of Children
And, important to support local journalists too:
1. Kyiv Independent
2. New Voice of Ukraine

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Thanks a lot!

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I think, Ukrainian courageous army needs the most support. Here's the info:

Some ways to help Ukraine:
🇺🇦The National Bank of Ukraine has opened a special account to raise funds for the Ukrainian Army. Anyone from any country can donate!
The account is multi-currency. It is opened for transfers of funds from international partners and donors, any person as well as from Ukrainian business and citizens.
🇺🇲 For donations in USD:
SWIFT Code NBU: NBUA UA UX
JP MORGAN CHASE BANK, New York
SWIFT Code: CHASUS33
Account: 400807238
383 Madison Avenue, New York, NY 10179, USA
Bank account: UA843000010000000047330992708
🇬🇧 For donations in GBP:
SWIFT Code NBU: NBUA UA UX
Bank of England, London
SWIFT Code: BKENGB2L
Account: 40000982
Threadneedle Street, London EC2R 8AH, UK
Bank account: UA843000010000000047330992708
🇪🇺 For donations in EUR:
SWIFT Code NBU: NBUA UA UX
DEUTSCHE BUNDESBANK, Frankfurt
SWIFT Code: MARKDEFF
Account: 5040040066
IBAN DE05504000005040040066
Wilhelm-Epsteinn-Strabe 14, 60431 Frankfurt Am Main,Germany
Bank account: UA843000010000000047330992708

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@dncingemma THANK YOU! It's a very good list.

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Here's couple more good orgs at https://time.com/6151353/how-to-help-ukraine-people/?fbclid=IwAR3zj8byZ5ubJ6Ij6YcD4TDPDflLTaUnjuMymhzYRH1CnOKYX1YRrNJ-LSU

1. Voices of Children
2. Vostok SOS
3. Maltese International
4. United Help Ukraine (if you are an American, you most likely have seen a Facebook fundraiser from this org -- it's close to $2 MLN raised!)
5. Nova Ukraine
6. Sunflower of Peace

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Thanks a lot. I'll look into these.

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What really breaks my heart it that we Americans did this very same thing in 2003. We invaded, killed, and destroyed a country over fabricated lies created by our government. Shame on us! This sort of thing should not happen to any country in the world when attached by the army of any of the strongest nations on the earth. Bullies are bullies be they Russian or American. As an American I'll never forget that shame.

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I'm not impressed, Seo Yea-Ji. Too little too late. I'll never watch another of your dramas.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/art/2022/02/398_324633.html

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