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Open Thread #757

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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It is all Korean to me. When I watch Korean content, it all sounds the same to me. OUR BLUES episodes feature a rarity: Korean subtitles. Jeju Island has its own dialect. The actors have been praised for capturing it in their performances.

I am aware that TV news anchors are trained for perfect pronunciation. Even so, there is a text summary at the bottom of the scene to help viewer comprehension. Variety shows often use text overlays to punch the joke or comment that may have been lost to the viewer. Normal Koreans speak fast and loose, often omitting subjects, objects and verb tense because it is contextual language. Dramas simplify the dialog in short sentences and characters do not speak at the same time, even in an argument.

We all are familiar with accents like Southern US, Boston, British, etc. An accent is a distinctive mode of pronunciation of a language, especially one associated with a particular nation, locality, or social class: a distinct emphasis given to a syllable or word in speech by stress or pitch. But OUR BLUES features the Jeju dialect. A dialect is a particular form of a language that is peculiar to a specific region or social group. Words, sentences and context have different meaning. So, at times, it must be like speaking a foreign language.

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I was wondering if this was a gimmick, an attempt to make the show a slice of local color for viewers in Seoul. I'm judging from the U.S. where the last 30 years have brought an even further diminishing of regional accents, a process that started with national network radio and t.v. 70 years ago.

It is true, whenever I am away from Southern California for a time and come back hearing the distinctive Southern Californian drawl it always brings a smile to my face, especially when I hear young men and young women of different ethnicities sounding like surfers. And of course we have a rich source of slang in surfing culture, plus rap/hip-hop primarily African American creativity, Mexican English-Spanish, and even some Korean-english, although that seems less common. I have heard "chobo" used to mean an awkward beginner among gamers. (I had to look that one up, and I thought it was a Mexican American term. )

But there is no way there is any active English dialect that needs translation of more than a few words today. Wouldn't the Jeju dialect be something "put on" for tourists, something like Cajun, Pennsylvania German, Smoky mountain english, etc.?

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There are times when someone can have such a strong accent they need subtitles though - when I was growing up there was a local guy who was Irish(but had lived in New Zealand for his entire adult life) and his accent was so thick you couldn’t understand him if he spoke naturally, even though English was his first language.

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Yes, I know--that certainly used to be the case in parts of the U.S. as well, when I was growing up. The north and south ends of the country had particularly strong accents and even younger people I encountered from there were occasionally hard to understand. But I think this is one of those things that, for better or worse, has pretty much been transformed by the ubiquity of the Internet. And since Korea is in advance of the U.S. in Internet infrastructure, I assume its happened there as well. Of course, I know that Korean has language complexities that maybe aren't present in English, but it also seems that just like the U.S. the majority who are urban dwellers have a stereotyped view of those in the provinces. Our Blues certainly conveys that.

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@hacja I think you will find this interesting!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_purge

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Thanks, @bbstl! I was vaguely aware of this, but hadn't connected it with a major cultural shift. Certainly, though, demographics had to play a role in tv execs decision, and the making of rural/small town stories somewhat exotic.

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The actors in Trainspotting had to rerecord the first 20mins of the film and soften their accents for American audiences. Glaswegian accents can be unintelligible.

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While I'm not disputing that, Scotland and the U.S. are different countries--I'm talking about English (or Korean) within the same nation. Also, Trainspotting was done in the 1990s, which seems to me like yesterday, but I'm very sad to realize is now more than 20 years ago. I wonder if there has been a loss in linguistic diversity in England/Scotland/Wales/Ireland in the past 2 decades.

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You've sent me down a rabbit hole, an interesting one. It seems that there is both loss and revival in the UK. If we're looking at dialectical diversity on a global scale, you might find this interesting
https://www.unitedlanguagegroup.com/blog/are-dialects-becoming-globalized
The processes by which dialects undergo change are more complicated than we are imaging. I'm now interested in finding out more about this.

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People from Busan also have a distinct accent (which I love). Gangsters are often stereotyped with a Busan accent.

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I didn't know this! I'm amazed at how such tiny places can develop significant linguistic differences over time. My own - much bigger - country has many accents but no actual dialects, and a much shorter (official) history. Something like this seems mindblowing.

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Papua New Guinea claims to have “839 living languages”, and that’s not even a whole island! 😂 (No offense, PNG-ers!) it’s actually a collection of islands, I know.

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So Papua New Guinea is a country-sized Tardis?

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😬 I have to look up what that means

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Oh, sorry @bbstl! Tardis is a time traveling machine that's bigger inside than out, from the british tv series Doctor Who. It looks like a measly phone booth but is a whole spaceship on the inside

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@tumblesunny thanks! It does sound like that 😄

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Further research reveals six different flavors of Korean language: Gyeonggi (Seoul or Standard Korean), Gyeongsang, Jeolla, Chungcheong, Gangwon and Jeju. Except for Jeju, all the others are described as accents: change in tone or pitch with homophones (words that sound the same), change letter pronunciation, slowing down sentences (rate of speech), or adding sounds to end of sentences.

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There are also "neighborhood" accents especially in metropolises. For example, Chicago south side, New York, and Boston (Urban). There are those who believe that there aren't really various New York borough accents just stereotypes of those. Then there is "Ghetto".

George Bernard Shaw's Pygmalion, or My Fair Lady, talks something about every few blocks in London having its own accents/dialects.

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We also have regional "slang." Is it soda or pop? Gym shoes or sneakers?

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@hacja@tumblesunny@snickers
I’ve taken this quiz two ways: one as I would have responded as a teenager and the other as I would respond now, as my language choices have … evolved? It pegged my location both times 😉👍🏼

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/dialect-quiz-map.html

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That's neat!

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I’m not American but I took the quiz out of interest. So many things I don’t have a word for 😅

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I took it. It pegged my location well but not quite. I'm in Chicago Metro area. It had me at Milwaukee or Minnesota but Chicago area was among the "more" region.

We get a lot of transplants from Wisconsin so that is not surprising. I also learned more from TV and books than people so my English might be less "local".

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@snickers I grew up near Midway and it placed me most in Chicago but also possibly the Bronx, wth? I guess there’s something to be said for that Chicago South Side effect! 😁

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This quiz is so cool. I took it in college when my roommates and I were comparing our accents. It literally gets me down to the city right next to mine. So cool!

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I grew up in the northwest suburbs so guess we are more "vanilla".

I had a friend almost 20 years old than me. He grew up on the south side, e.g. "tree" instead of "three". He had a Jewish high school roommate from the Bronx. He picked up some of the guy's accent. Couldn't say how much my friend sounded "Chicago" but he definitely didn't sound northwest suburb.

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@snickers after I left for school in St Louis my family said I came home with a Southern accent (not even close) and I thought my cousins sounded like gangsters 🤣

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MOTHER Earth Day

Climate change - who cares.

Human world - This day, that day. Everyday. formality of smile and acceptance but what's in heart is completely different.

Mother Earth over anything - always.

The real enjoyment is upcoming future to prove you really deserve to be a child of Mother Earth. Fight on.

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South Africa and Philippines saw some weather action in past few weeks. This will become a routine in future. Your own actions leading you to this path - pay the price.

I have my 1st twitter aka social media profile. Never wasted time on mobile phone - never saw those apps - and have least activity on virtual social world. Its not like social media has very profitable things to provide. This time around i want to have some clumsy fun so let's see where this goes.

2022 - 1st new activity.

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Something that my teacher/boss always says to me is "don't think, that isn't good for you. You're always overthinking things. You'll be fine".
Before getting the job I told him I'm not good with people, I shouldn't be around people and he was like "You know what you're studying, right? LOL. Anyway, you're gonna do great. I know it. Believe in yourself the way I believe in you"

Two months later: I told my teacher/boss I was done and I just wanted to go home. He was like "nahhh, you can do it. You just need to go to the doctor again, take a break for two weeks and let's change some things about your duties. You're going to be part of the investigation team. You don't have to go to the school like before, just go once in a while to help with the activities." I asked him if he wasn't going to regret giving me another chance and he was like "hell, no. I believe in you. You're gonna be fine. You can do it. Don't overthink it".

Three weeks later (2 weeks break, first week back to work): I got nauseous when I was going to the school and when I was leaving I felt like I was about to collapse. Everytime I entered a classroom I wanted to cry. When the little kids saw me and welcome me with a hug and their teacher said hi to me I felt even worse. Giving fake smiles to them felt so wrong (I love those kids, they deserve better). And when the big kids asked me what happened to me I totally froze (thanks god my sunbae told them "life is like that" or something).

When I got home it was like nothing happened. I did an awesome job blocking that morning from my mind.

Today, I need to do some work, but I don't want to think about work. I don't want to think about yesterday or all the things that happened before. So I'm not doing anything. But I have to do something. I kinda hate my boss for believing in me when I'm like this. I feel bad for disappointing him again. I've disappointed him like three or four times already, as a student and now as an employee too.

I'm an ungrateful brat that doesn't want more chances in life, I just want to go home. Is that so bad? I'm the happiest just laying in bed watching a movie with my brother, doing karaoke with my sister, eating ice cream with my bestie or just talking with my mom. I don't really need anything else so I have no idea what am I doing here. I hate this city.

I love this quote from Fight For My Way:

—I’m not going to dream anymore.
—Must everyone have a dream, anyway? Even if I don’t have a dream, the world turns very well.

Can this year end already so I can graduate, go home and be in peace? I don't care if my view of life changes later, I don't live for later. I'm stressed today.

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That sounds really tough! I know from current experience that having problems with physical and/or mental health is awful, frustrating and downright terrifying - and it also comes with the guilt of feeling like you're letting other people down because you can't be the person you were / want to be. It can feel like you're losing your identity, capability and opportunities.
I can't say this to myself, but I'll say it to you: hold on. It's not always going to be like this.
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Letting people down, ruining the mood, not talking, disappearing... wasn't I suppose to be helping other people? Everything feels wrong. This isn't the "not going to classes for two months but doing the exams to save the semester" kind of situation. This is work that I have to do with people and for people, so disappointing everyone makes me sad.

Thank you for your warm words Janice. Since you can't say it to yourself, I'll do it for you: take a breath, take your time and remember that when you're in the bottom you can only go up. Fighting!

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Thank you!

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Oh tabongie, I feel so bad for you. And Jance is right, it does get better. But it’s so hard fighting through it day by day and doubting that there is even an “other side” to reach. Being an old lady, I can tell you that it’s funny to recall thinking things like, omg if I can just get past this test, if I can just get to next week, if I can just get to the end of school. It felt like time would never move but from my vantage point now I see that life has just flown by. I’m almost reallllly “done” and boy does it feel like everything went by so fast. I don’t have a fix for either feeling but I’d suggest this: sit back, really sit back and pretend that your life belongs to your best friend. Knowing what “she” is going through now, what advice would you give her and how would you help her? Maybe the best answer is to go home and to eat ice cream, for how long? Then what? Doing this has always helped me focus on how to help myself get through. And if you can, get professional and medical help. I hope this isn’t too heavy or condescending and I wish you only well.
❤️👵🏼❤️

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I'm going to try to talk to my "bestie", I wonder what is she going to say. But I hope it isn't too painful. I'm the type that ignores/avoids painful thoughts. I spend 90% of the day thinking useless things on purpose.

Thank you for the advice, thank you for sharing your experience and thank you for the good wishes.💚

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Will it help to think that the pain is temporary, like when you get a shot? And after the pain you will be better off (and maybe have some ice cream). You can do this, tabongie fighting! ❣️

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Yes, it helps. ^^ Thank you for eveything, bbstl. I wish you the best!

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Nice advice. I’ll have to try it too when I’ve got some mental energy!

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Finding myself rolling a step deeper into the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard fiasco these days. What with it appearing every few posts on my social media feed. I'm #TeamDepp, especially in the context of this particular case. My heart breaks for what's he's gone through and is still going through because of this mess. 😔

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!
Tried sleeping as a new hobby this week and my first impressions are very positive. First of all, you become a whole new person overnight. Pun not intended. I barely slept Monday night because Tuesday was a long triggering day as expected, but I slept like a log on Tuesday night and felt sort of at ease from Wednesday onwards.
Sleeping also creates better time management. I went to bed early out of boredom a few times and got up to start my day earlier as a result. Then I finish sooner than expected and am left bored because sleeping also decreases worrying and leaves you with a quieter mind.
Finally sleep, aside from many other good things, gives you determination to do well. Whether that means actually addressing worries instead of suppressing them with an overflowing (K-dram) schedule, or finding more activities to do to kill the boredom.
I should print out this post as a reminder, before I fall back into my old bad sleeping habits!😴💤

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Congratulations! That advice to get enough sleep is no joke 👍🏼

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It really isn't! ;)

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Sleep is the best!

I was just talking with my husband about how sleep (or lack of it) creates such a circle of things - like I don’t sleep because my 2 year old climbs on my head at 3am, so I’m grumpy and lethargic the next day and don’t want to do anything, then I stay up too late because I haven’t done anything and then I don’t get enough sleep…..and repeat.

My two year slept in her own bed all night for the first time in ages last night and I feel like a new person today. 🙌

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Yup, I have learnt this the hard way trying to take naps with my mischievous nephew (3y) around! :p

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My bouts of frustration and sadness often stem from physical exhaustion. There obviously are underlying reasons for those feelings, but everything seems more hopeful when I'm well rested. And I'm less likely to skip good habits such as exercising, reading useful stuff, praying or journaling.
I wish you another week of good sleep and many more!

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Thank you and I agree with every word! :)

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For massochistic reasons I tried, for a second time, to watch the pot-boiler "Now We Are Breaking Up". My goodness, what a TERRIBLE drama!
I'm tempted to blame Song Hye-kyo with her perpetual deadpan expression and unfocused eyes (as though she was nearsighted) for the mess, except I noticed all the other actors were doing the same thing, even the supposed comic relief! The blame must fall on the shoulders of the director Lee Gil-bok. I don't think the director had a clue what the fashion industry (or professional photography) is like and didn't care. As I fast forwarded through the series I found noting but static shot and dialog - static shots and dialog. I comparison 'Melting Me Softly'looks like a masterpiece.

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Lol. I only finished it for the pretty that is Jang Ki Yong. But FF was my best friend.

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This year I promised my self that I'll watch 12 kdrama max, and was determined to watch max of 3 drama (k/j/cdrama) at the same time.
Grid and Kill Heel ended last week, so I only live-watch My Liberation Diary now.
Then I sampled the 1st ep of Coming to You in 493km (or was that 463?) and I really like it, what a charming ep! that my 2nd slot of drama filled.
While doing house chores I roamed through the streaming apps on my tv and almost scream to see that cdrama Who Rules the World is now airing! such a wonderful finding! I've been waiting for it for more than a year, and sooo happy to report that up to ep 12 the drama managed to captivate me (a very picky wuxia drama fans) with the story and its drama execution, and the (big) bonus is that bantering and bickering between the ML and FL (Yang Yang and Zhao Lu Si) is so fun, and sound lovely to my ears hahaa,,

finally, beanies, echoing some post here, I know (and I feel) that life can be so tiring, and upsetting, but we got this! sending hugs and love to you all, fighting!

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