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Open Thread #789

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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The Dramabeans newsletter's subject line and preheader this week made me nervous.

The annual Dramabeans Bean Count is coming soon 🌟 Quick! Finish all the dramas you left hanging and earn those beans.

I really wanted to watch The King of Pigs and Anna this year, but won't make it before the Bean Count. But it's probably for the best because both dramas are apparently amazing, so I'd have to give them beans, and I just don't have enough beans to go around.

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Start to December - time to think about what for 2023 and what could have 2022 -

Well, i'm gonna try to fight change - one more time -

Cold nights make it hard to have proper sleep - This i have set for 2023 January - Autumn with change was far more favourable than i expected.

Last time ate live cooked - extreme hot food in April-May 2019 - time to have warm - fresh cooked meal in 2023 -

can't use gas so only option left is to go for electrical gadgets - buying new multifunction smart cooker and similar gadgets.

Time to increase food intake as well as to gain weight.

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Once mentioned how do i love to eat right off the stove hot hot food - things had to change - everything changes and so had no no warm food for 36+ months -

If you believed you had to everything, Everything works out for you - you need some real challenge - have to show patiance, bid time, survive and seek opportunity, be humble and much more -

for someone it's foolishess, high of idiocy for someone like us it's challenge - ofcourse the sheer antics and stupidity does create range of _ve feelings but you do feel a lot +ve too.

Somehow i've raised white flag and somehow i'm feeling pretty cool and confident right now - both good and +ve feelings.

Time to move on with new year - new things - hope for less antics.
Watch, see and experience can way more different. I've gone through such good experience which wouldn't have possible without entering the battlefield for no challenge. You do feel lively all because of it. In someone's view it is so frustrating suffering and in someone other's eyes it can be fun and entertainment - Well, i was and still am at the receiving side but am smiling and eyes are shining with aim and hunger.

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World - pretty typical stuff happening all around. cold season demands some heat and that comes from body and circles through blood into every part - street red you see. Very easy to see - that's what data does for you.

XI was in pinch because of inflated ego and fake pride which still is... but that itself created trouble which i though will reduce his power to 65% but he was able to get it 85% -
As said several months back - no matter what's the hunger of stomach aka money aka temptations that decide how much you can score. Changing the economy or economy shift and with such a big region not easy - you have to bleed, someone has to pay extra price. From 2017-2018 it was pretty visible. 2020 scored a homerun and now everyone is feeling the pinch.
That's why i said inflation is cute - Inflation can change course pretty fast and push you into a corner and it's taste got to XI this week with all the lockdown protests. not big but surely embarrassing for XI in party. Most double down and that's what he will do that for sure. Well, he's clearly living for himself now - he and he alone - CCP can pay price for his ambition but overall quite entertaining match is being played.

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As I said earlier in the week, the HOOK Entertainment scandal has more drama than Behind Every Star. Lee Seung-gi has now formally demanded a termination of his agency contract. What took him so long?

For every statement HOOK made, it was caught in a bigger lie. It began with the agency not paying Seung-gi his musical income for 18 years. It took him he was a "negative singer" even though profits from his songs surpassed $2.6 million in profit. He found out about it through a friend who worked on his last album who was not paid. He was gaslight for decades.

When Seung-gi was going to leave the agency in 2021, HOOK allegedly leaked his dating scandal in a bold attempt to keep the actor in the fold under the guise of "damage control." Unbelievably, it worked. However, at that time, he found out that the agency made a $2.8 million investment on his behalf but in reality it was used by the agency CEO to buy non-income properties. HOOK claimed Lee agreed to its accounting of his income in 2021 contract signing, but that was false; there was just an agreement to make the $2.8 million investment into a short term loan which was never paid back. Some people say that the agency CEO used Lee as a free ATM cash machine for her own personal use and living a luxury lifestyle.

His contract was a 70-30 profit split with the agency paying his expenses. However, the CEO only gave Lee a credit card with a $1500 monthly limit while she used his account to spend tens of thousands of dollars a month on herself. She badgered his manager to force Lee to spend less each month so she could keep more income. She also had several family members on a ghost payroll which is one of the prosecutors' allegations of embezzlement of company funds.

When the CEO heard of Lee questioning the accounting, she verbally said she would kill him to his manager. Her threats were so strong the manager allegedly recorded them before he tried to quit the company.

Lee spent half of his life with the CEO as his agent. He trusted her but he was naive, too. It is doubtful that he will recover all of the millions taken from him. But this probably not the first case of talent abuse in the industry. But it should be a wake-up call to all Korean artists to have their own legal and accounting representatives supervise their careers.

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I think it was very smart of him to strike the moment all public eyes were on the agency and their finances being investigated. He now has the whole nation as his witnesses.

It would have probably been no use to go against them before because they would have created more and more scandals for him and he would have no proof.

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He may have been too naive for 18 years, but he was smart in how he handled this. He better watch his back though. She seems like the type that will bide her time until the public moves on and then do whatever it takes to bring him down.

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Yeah..if she was in a drama she would be The Villain. So shameless.

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Ugh.. very true

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It’s a wake up call to all of us: no matter who you are, you can be used/ deceived. Be logical and reasonable and smart about ..well everything.

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Lee Seung gi’s agency always seemed super lazy about promotions but I never expected them to be the level of awful they have turned out to be (CEO in particular, but it’s not like she could have done in a vacuum). I hope he can get disentangled from them cleanly.

The whole story makes a lot of things LSG has said in variety shows much more depressing than they already were (for instance at the end of New Journey to the West, just before he went into the army, he talked about being a product - https://www.dramabeans.com/2015/10/new-journey-to-the-west-episodes-20-23-final/)

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@welh: Thank you for breaking this down. Without wanting to generalise too much, I wonder whether the deeply embedded hierarchical nature of the Korean society has also facilitated such abuses as deference and wielding unreasonable authority are not widely questioned and condemned. Abuses of power and corruption are hard to eradicate as they are almost always systemic and unless they are fundamentally tackled, very little will change.

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I was late to the "Under the Queen's Umbrella" party but started watching in earnest this week. I'm really enjoying the show, even though it's not among my usual preferences as far as genre.

Elsewhere on the site the "Netflix Effect" has been discussed, and early on in this series I saw one clear example of its impact - the virtue signaling about the cross-dressing/transgender Grand Prince, with the final scene of the episode the Queen's narration that "some day" people like him would be more accepted. This was so clearly outside the understanding of that era and so clearly framed in a modern context that it snapped me right out of the narrative and wondering...who put that in? Was it pressure from Netflix?

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Two things about this: 1. There are very few historical dramas that aren't in some way anachronistic. You can easily match the clothing, setting and refer to historically known events/actions of the past, but everything else is interpretative conjecture, and is written to be meaningful and entertaining to the present.

2. We do know that crossdressing and transgender people have existed throughout history in all cultures. So how would anybody know whether a mother said "someday this will be okay" or not? We don't! In fact, for all we know the mother could have said "some day this story might be beamed across the universe and watched by the thousands who complain about the story, using the strange phrase "virtue-signaling!"

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How do we know....I guess a some research into how this was talked about historically? I doubt they used phrases back then like "true self"...perhaps she would have said, "I know this is what you like" or something similar. It takes a lot of insight and skill to write something that rings historically true while being sensitive to modern sensibilities. In my opinion, surrounding it all with modern thoughts and phrases is the easy way out but you'll get lots of affirmation (although, I suppose the Queen's initial reaction was considered really problematic ). And, yes, Netflix would be much more concerned about all that than the native Korean broadcasters and audience.

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UTQU is writer Park Ba-ra’s only credit that I can find and have no idea what the writer’s actual intentions are but the writer wrote a powerful ending to episode 3.
One thing I picked up in the Queen’s soliloquy like talk to her son Prince Gyesseong at the end of that episode was something like a Joseon blast of advice back to us in this age of tell all/reveal all. She said:
“One may have very different wishes from those of others. However, one should not reveal everything in their heart”.
I personally agree with those words. Not everyone is entitled to know what is in the deepest recesses of another’s heart.

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This week, in news surprising absolutely no one, I found out that my two most-listened-to songs were "Scars leave a beautiful trace" and "Aching", both from the Alchemy of Souls soundtrack. Might have to listen on repeat for a while to get extra jazzed for Part 2!

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I listen to both of those every day.

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I’ve always prided myself on my cutting-edge sense of style—how many people have the vision to pair khakis with a blue dress shirt? But I’ve been thinking about kdrama fashion lately as I look forward to “The Fabulous” and also when I check in on this weeks Dramabeans and see that promo picture of Kim Young-Dae wearing the ridiculous hat that aristocrats wore in the Joseon period.

I actually find the hanbok of women very attractive, but I would say that having to look at male Joseon attire is the main reason I avoid sageuks. Don’t think I’m exhibiting a cultural bias here, because I also think that clothing worn by European men in the past to be absurd, including their hats. In fact any time in history hats were a sign of social status, the elite wore the silliest hats, daring commoners to laugh at them. Wearing something really stupid is a form of conspicuous consumption.

Today we have the ubiquitous billed cap, worn by all, but here is my first question: When did the black billed cap worn low over the face become the favored kdrama identity concealer for idols and criminals? ? Whenever I see a character don a black cap I think “no one will ever recognize that person!” or if its a criminal-- “uh-oh, here comes another murder.” Of course its black for the bad guys, but why do celebrities need black caps? And for the criminals wouldn’t you want something like a knit balaclava?

Here on a southern California college campus, plenty of billed caps are worn. For young men, it is often with sweatshirt hoods over them. But the knit cap is also pretty common. In fact that is the cap of choice here now that its cooler. There are female students in my classes, who when it was hot wore the currently fashionable outfit of pajama pants and a bra top (revealing an awful lot of skin for a history class!) but now they’ve added an unzipped sweatshirt and a knit cap to complete the ensemble. Its not an outfit that I would encourage my daughter to wear around campus, but fortunately U.S. colleges are no longer in loco parentis!

Back to kdramas—while I don’t see shows with young women wearing pajama bottoms in public, I do see something odder--a lot of otherwise well-dressed male leads wearing NO SOCKS with dress shoes. What’s going on, and why are they risking painful blisters? Why endanger your ability to walk just because you can find matching socks?

Finally, there is one more kdrama fashion oddity: both young women and men wearing sweatshirts and t-shirts with random English words on them. I get that this is probably the fault of a designer and PPL, but still, given Korean actors very admirable command of English, I’m puzzled about the meaning of the English speaking shirts they wear.

Just some random notes on fashion from a Dramabeans slob!

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The socks are the hidden ones mainly and I for one am glad that trousers are full length again so you can’t see whether they are wearing socks or not. I hated it when they were flapping above the ankle. The best example the person earned the name ‘Jackson’ and was sported by the female lead in She was pretty trousers worn with white socks.

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In the first sageuk I watched, I really noticed the hats for about the first half of the show. I was learning a ton about how the Joseon court worked, about how different people were ranked, and found the hats really helpful as obvious markers of status. Then when I had all of that comfortably figured out (enough for watching the show anyway), I honestly stopped noticing them much at all. The Joseon top knot and accompanying headgear has become such a neutral to me, that I'm often relieved to watch a sageuk as it means most if not all of the male characters will have their hair out of their eyes (short of mysterious swordsmen, who have to signal their mystery by blocking at least one eye) unlike half of the modern male characters. Plus, I rather like the rest of the male hanbok.

I find your question of the origins of the black cap interesting, but have not been lurking around dramaland for nearly enough time to have anything meaningful to contribute. Black for bad guys works thematically, but an unmarked black cap for celebrities is probably just the most neutral kind, no? If it was from a luxury brand it would be too obvious that they were someone of status. Kind of the opposite of the Joseon hats, then?

And I'll second @reply1988 that the dress shoes definitely have socks in them, just very low ones. Very occasionally you can see the character step inside someone's home, and then you can see their no-show socks. I think the first drama I noticed it in was It's Okay to Not Be Okay - the publisher guy wears them pretty much all the time.

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The no show socks still beg the question: why do men think its attractive to show off their ankles? The ankle is not the most attractive part of anyone's anatomy, even among those who have shapely legs.

As far as Joseon hats and male attire, I admire your ability to look past them to actually watch what is important, the drama itself. I'm afraid I'm too shallow for that! If I was somehow thrust back into the Joseon era, say if I inadvertently was carrying a magic acupuncture case, I would immediately be put to death for going around knocking off aristocratic hats. I would feel the same urge if I had a historical encounter with the Anglo-American top hat. They are just too tempting a target for someone who carries a lot of modern lower middle class resentment for artificial hierarchies based on birth. (Yes, I blame my parents for this trauma.)

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Some (mostly older) people might avoid full-length socks because they have varicose veins, their lower shins itch, and socks make it worse. Speaking for a friend.

Meanwhile my semi-serious old explanation for sockless kdrama characters is that socks won't get shown until some designer sock company pays for the PPL.

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I don't notice the hats and top knots anymore either.
The Black cap in regards to kdramas makes me think of Healer....and he just looked good, lol.

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I do not know why they wear invisible socks, and I was puzzled by the trend of ankle-relevaling pants.
Why would someone expose her/his ankle to the cold ?
But I am also puzzled by the "big holes in the jeans" fashion trend. Why, oh why ?

The Joseon hats amuse me, particularly the royal and wedding one with all the colored beards. The costumes are part of the fun of historical dramas. (except when it prevent from distinguising one red minister from another red bearded minister).

I am also happy that we can go out "en cheveux". Having to find and care for several hats suitable for different activities would have been a huge hfor me.

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I am not against invisible socks. It helps to not to think about matching your socks to trousers and shoes :).

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Generally, except for costume dramas, it is the actor's responsibility through their personal stylist (or agency) to acquire clothes for their scenes. Many actors use brand endorsements to get clothes or some brands will loan clothes for the PR value. However, some directors like to use English word shirts to convey the emotion (hidden or direct) of the actor in a scene.

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Wow I thought wardrobe supplied the clothes but I guess if you supply your own you know they will fit well. PPL sponsorship must be all over the wardrobe especially with the Chaebol wardrobe with all the different looks.

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Generally, unlike Hollywood, in SK an actor's contract is a set fee with the actor responsible for all "acting" costs such as clothes, make-up, support (food, clothes, transport, etc.). The custom is the producer hired an actor to show up to the set "fully" prepared to shoot. I have noticed lately that some agencies "bundle" their actors into one project, probably to be more cost efficient.

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Now it makes sense why fans and others help out with the food trucks.

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😂 Thank you for your insightful observations re clothing and costume in Kdramas.

I’m not sure how they do in a cold country like SK, but men here seem to wear low socks. The weather here is normally hot and humid, so it makes some sense why they do this. Plus, the fabric used to make such socks is pretty thing. So thats why I assumed they only do this in SK, a cold country, because ‘Fashion demands it’.

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having to look at male Joseon attire is the main reason I avoid sageuks

I wish to assure observers that hacja and I are not actually the same person, but we are as one on this point. I just cannot deal with gats or wingnut hats. Even topknots are distracting. I can tolerate a few flashback scenes where our pre-reincarnation (or 400-year-old immortal) ML sports one while exposing his tragic past, but not a sageuk. I know this is my own personal shortcoming and I'd be more motivated to overcome it if it weren't for all the palace politics and evil royal counselors that lie beyond the horsehair brim. If Junho in hanbok couldn't get me past this block, I fear nothing will.

My favorite collegiate style (feminine division) of the last several years remains the short shorts with crop top and tall, furry Ugg boots, worn even in the heat of a Riverside summer.

I've never seen a shirt with Korean phrases - only English. Why?

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@elinor Here I thought I would be cast out from Dramabeans for expressing this irrational prejudice against Joseon outfits, and you come along as a Joan of Arc to save me from DB disdain! (although come to think of it, I don't like medieval armor either, so maybe I should cite a more modern chivalric personage.

As far as young women's campus fashion, one slightly amusing thing happened a couple of months ago--my wife and I went up to Los Angeles to a college function, and we were walking around campus and ran into a couple of sorority gatherings, and my wife said in a shocked voice "wow, young women in Los Angeles really are a lot more daring than the ones in our area! (San Diego) When I replied that this was pretty much standard young woman's collegiate fashion, she was ready to head to my campus and give a lecture to the ladies in my class.

Of course, let me hasten to add that in 3-4 years, those same women are going to be lamenting the lack of professional dress standards in college students. I know this from the example of my daughter!

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Last comment of the day here (of course I say that now....) I know some of you here are watching the world cup, and South Korea's win against Portugal advancing them to the round of 16 was pretty stirring for those of us who are NOT Ronaldo fans.

But, in order to make this relevant to Dramabeans, I just wanted to point out that upon scoring the winning goal, Hwang Hee-Chan revealed a set of kdrama-male-lead-worthy abdominal muscles. Look for him to do a cameo in a future rom-com shower scene!

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

I knew this week was going to be stressful because I had two important appointments scheduled that I had been sort of dreading. What kept me awake the night before the first one ended up being the stomach flu on top of all the stress.🤒 So, I had to survive the first appointment on little food and no sleep in my body, except for a can of coca cola.🥤 Fortunately, my body decided to pipe down during the appointment in order for me to do well. Sadly, that was not the end of my peril.

My parents also caught the stomach flu right before they were supposed to drive me to the second appointment. Again, all bodies complied during the car rides and throughout the appointment, and now I do not know whether I should be grateful they did, or maybe some unseen higher being had some fun playing with our heart rates.🫀In the end we all sort of survived, and I hope next week will bring us all some good health and sleep!🙏🏻

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🙏 you feel better soon. At least you now know that even when things are really bad you can and will get through it and live to tell the tale.

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Have any of you heard about Stranger season 3 being considered? I saw the news on Mydramalist few weeks ago but am not sure if it’s confirmed.

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When I watched season 2 back in 2020 I read an article mentioning 2022 as a possible air date for s3, but well, clearly that didn't happen, so...I personally feel like a new season is unlikely, but I'll always be ready for it though, if stars align!! xD

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This is what’s I got from Mydramalist
“ On October 25th, media outlet OSEN shared that the production team of the drama "Stranger" is planning to create a season three. According to reports, the third season will be a spin-off version and will tell new stories. It is expected to premiere at the end of 2023.

"Stranger" is a drama that revolves around prosecutor Hwang Si Mok and detective Han Yeo Jin that chases the truth of the concealed incidents. The first and second seasons were both hits and got good reviews from viewers. Many are hopeful for the "Stranger" team to work together again for a new season.

The first season aired in 2017 and the second season premiered in 2020.

An official from the production team at Ace Factory responded to the reports and clarified, "There's no official confirmation yet on the making of season three. We are currently in discussion for various possibilities."

So we can keep our hope up 😊

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Fingers crossed!!

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