I keep seeing suspiciously negative things about the turn it took at the end and I’m like ‘I was bored in ep 10 but ep 11 looked ok… should I still finish it?’… the interest is waning but I might just out of stubbornness and the desire to sarcastically screencap and review the experience when I get home
I loathe leaving a show unfinished, but tbh I wouldn’t recommend finishing MxM. The two last eps ruined all the small things I did like about the show (which aren’t many. Pretty much only consits of Ungwang being hilarious and PHJ being suave and dorky at the same time. But still). Just… let it be. Although sarcastic screencapping sounds awesome and now I kind of want to see that, I also don’t want to see you throw away six precious hours of your life that will make you feel like you wasted the previous ten too lol 😛
Hmmmm yet another show to add to the list of ‘we didn’t really know where we wanted to take this in the beginning so the last half sucked’ I feel… too many of those.
Idk, you’d be surprised at what of can make myself get through for the sake of sarcasm and finishing something hahaha
Although I can always skimmed it.
Either way I know I don’t have to worry about finishing it ASAP, I can wait till home. 🙂
Yep, sadly so. Guess I was right when I kept seeing K2 parallels in the beginning, but I SO wanted it to be just my imagination. It wasn’t. And the “climax” at the end was just as wtf and anti-climactic as K2 <:( (lol it was supposed to be an angry one, but now it's just a sad smiley with a party hat pwahaha)
You can DEFINITELY wait till you get home!
"you’d be surprised at what of can make myself get through for the sake of sarcasm and finishing something"
Pfffft that's so me 😛
Also sorry for those typos it was 5:30 am when I typed that and I was on my phone with its silly auto correct.
Idk from what I’ve seen of MXM flaws, K2 had other and different problems. K2’s climax was… idk too climatic for no character set up. Sounds like MXM just fell flat.
Heeeee sad smiley with a party hat- I need that emoji. Totally gonna use it now haha.
It’s what I did with Moorim School, bloody hell was that last episode hard to get through BUT I DID IT
I dunno. The romance shoe-horned in; the hero who’s stoic and action-y and secretive, but also suddenly like a little kid in a totally random, uncharacteristic way; lots of action in the beginning, hardly any by the end; completely unrealistic, unsatisfying and random wrapping-up of the major “mystery”. I feel like it has a lot of similarities, but maybe that’s just me.
Well, then I hereby grant you permission to use said smiley! 😛
Thankfully I was still somewhat new to kdrama back then and was charmed by Lee Hyun Woo, so it didn’t feel as bad a show to me as it did to most. Don’t know if I’d be able to finish it now though, 80 shows or so later 😛
Okay well when you point them out yes, they had a lot of similarities. haha
And I guess neither of the main leads had much (any) backstory. But I felt like SW had more onscreen development than K2, who had literally none, in fact, I wasn’t quite sure why he was the main character.
They just feel a lot tonally different in my head, MXM made me laugh. K2 was trying to be more thriller-y and exciting (and just ended up a mess)
I didn’t watch it airing I don’t think. I also skipped to episode 6 after the first ep or something haha, and it took my friend and I almost a year to finish it all hahaha. Lee Hyun Woo was ok in it, I actually though the female leads were it’s (only) saving grace.
I think tonally they aimed for the same, but ended up differently, maybe. MxM seemed to really try to make the mystery and spy parts thrilling, but they just felt boring most of the time, while its comedic moments saved it from complete horrendousness. The K2 on the other hand had an interesting villain that all but saved the show, while its attempts at a lighter tone always felt weird or just meh (like the ramyun twirl. What the literal f was that scene even about?).
It’s not that I found LHW particulary impressive or anything, in fact I’m not quite as wow’ed by his acting as most beanies, but there’s just something about him that draws me in and I don’t even find him handsome. So I guess it’s his charisma?
I thought I was the only one who liked the female leads! They were a big part of why I stuck with it. But if I hadn’t live-watched from the beginning I’m not sure I would’ve made it to the end LOL.
Yeah, right? I was actually gonna say something similar, or maybe like they tried each tried for the opposite of what they should’ve been/were at their core. (Oh gosh the ramyun twirl… I actually forgot about it for a minute there then remembered O.o – actually someone in the comments sparked this thought and I’ve carried with it since then, about how much better the K2 would’ve been if the villainess was a little younger and the “romantic interest” and if Anna was a young girl still, so that the K2 and Anna had a guardian/protector/almost familial relationship, and then the romance had a tragic or bittersweet ending when the villainess kinda consumes herself… that would’ve been more heart wrenching to watch, gosh can we have that drama pls)
I’m haven’t been wowed by his acting yet either haha he’s just nice to watch 😛 Charisma would do it. Or his voice and hands. He has really nice hands… that’s more a bonus than something that would get me to watch a show though hahaha.
Omygosh did others not?!?! They were both so badass! Some people don’t like Seo Ye Ji (like in Hwarang) but I thought she was fantastic in MS. Idk it seemed like only the female leads in MS got the good lines and character writing though haha so maybe that was it.
Yesssss. I was rooting for him and the villainess the entire show. Just imagine the complexity and moral ambiguity and ugh, it could’ve been so good! Don’t care that she’s that much older, that just adds another layer. Their chemistry was sizzling! The rest sounds AMAZING too and now I really want that drama! I think it should’ve gone for something more like Lookout, with lots of moral ambiguity and stuff, would’ve been awesome. Or maybe that’s just my preference for that kind of thing in stories that makes me want it everywhere. I like real life people to have a steady moral compass, but fictional characters are so much more interesting when they’re not plain good or evil.
Someone’s voice can totally make me watch their drama. Like Sung Joon. I think like half his charisma and appeal is that voice of his lol. Watching for someone’s hands though… that I’ve never done 😛 Although nice hands is always a plus!
I loved Seo Ye Ji in MS! I was so surprised to see people talking negatively about her when she was announced for Hwarang. But maybe you’re right, maybe the writing made her stand out more positively.
Now I want to go back and check… Except I don’t think I’ll ever want to revisit that drama, it’s better to just let it lie as a nice memory of one of my first live-watches LOL.
It’s funny and possibly I’m the odd one out here but I actually thought their tension could’ve been /higher/, to make me feel more (my cold tsundere heart) but also it could’ve been written better? Like it could’ve been written to have more impact. The whole show could’ve actually. (Perhaps I’m just hard to move, there are very few shows that have shifted me completely emotionally)
I’m not one for story lines with too much adultery, it’s just something in fiction or real life that just doesn’t sit well with me, even if for example, as in the K2s case, he (her husband) is a cheating asshole, that wouldn’t excuse her of the same sin. If you know what I mean. I don’t know if that’s what you meant by the moral ambiguity you wanted, I have a feeling it’s not entirely, but I thought I’d bring it up anyway.
But with a bit of tweaking I could come up with a scenario where you would have moral ambiguity, and the age gap villainess-hero romance and the tragic ending and keep my anti-adulterer heart at ease lmao.
Needless to say this ‘could’ve been drama’ definitely inspired me to make a story for it of my own in my head. Should write it down and send it to a broadcasting company hehe.
I’m looking forward to THAT moral ambiguity in Lookout a lot though! Because I actually like Kim Young Kwang a lot and am invested in his character already from the snippets I’ve seen even though he’s like frikking chaotic neutral/good? very chaotic good? idk and playing three sides yikes.
Oh boi, yes, Sung Joon’s voice. It only gets deeper too <3
I haven't either!! I just have a thing for hands… you know how people like eyes? I notice hands.
It's interesting that such a poorly written show plot wise nailed the female characters. I wonder who the writer was, they should only write female characters haha. Comparatively Hwarang had A LOT of issues, least of all was Ye Ji haha and she wasn't that bad. She played what she was given pretty well. Go Ara was worse. Ooops did I just say that outloud? 😉
Hahaha noo don't go back! Just trust your first impression! lmao
The only reason I'd revisit that drama would be to try and find that once piece of 'ai-ee-ai-ee-aii-ai-ai-ai-ai-ai' background music that STILL HAUNTS ME TO THIS DAY
Lol yeah, not the moral ambiguity I was thinking of ^^ In fact, I’d even forgotten she was married (oops). (I don’t want characters to cheat, but I do sometimes want them to get a divorce, cause there are some seriously abusive, controlling monster-spouses in kdrama O.O) The moral ambiguity I was thinking of is more along the lines of making people flawed and the kind of people who feel like sacrificing something “small” for the sake of something “greater” or something that would save more lives along the line etc. Basically any kind of character that isn’t all good or evil – like a more nuanced writing, I guess? I like the tension and unpredictability it brings to a story.
I know what you mean about their chemistry. When I say it was sizzling, I mean that their raw chemistry was insanely full of potential. The writing did indeed sadly fail to deliver on that potential, which is such a shame.
I don’t think I’ll ever watch Hwarang. The combination of sageuk, cheap-looking costumes, bad writing and Minho (he just. can’t. act. at all.) kind of scares me away.
Lol I have no idea what you’re talking about, I can’t remember any of the music from that show haha.
Divorce I’m ok with. haha
Yeah I kinda figured that’s what you meant /after/ I’d typed up my spiel so I just left it in haha. She was already pretty deep as a character but they could’ve played on that so much more, have that the centre point of the show. Is she the heroine or the villain? And he could’ve been the one to sway that throne of hers with yes, that raw chemistry they definitely had which wasn’t pushed far enough AHHH I WANNA WRITE THIS NOW.
Hahahahaha re. Minho. He also wasn’t the worst part of that show. It’s more like lots of tiny little things just added together to make it rather average. Although his character was cheesy and jerky it kinda worked… sometimes…?
Let’s just say Key, and even Onew is the better actor from SHINee pfffffffft. And I wouldn’t recommend Hwarang really to anyone so yeah.
Exactly! So many interesting things they could’ve done with the villainess and their chemistry.
Lol EVERYONE in Shinee is probably a better actor than Minho hahahaha 😛 I did make it through the entirity of To the Beautiful You and was pleasantly surprised at him not being quite as embarrassingly bad as I thought he’d be, but since I expected the absolute worst, that’s not saying a lot 😛
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kaybee
June 13, 2017 at 3:26 AM
Me whenever I wasn’t asleep during the last two eps of ManxMan:
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
June 13, 2017 at 10:00 PM
I keep seeing suspiciously negative things about the turn it took at the end and I’m like ‘I was bored in ep 10 but ep 11 looked ok… should I still finish it?’… the interest is waning but I might just out of stubbornness and the desire to sarcastically screencap and review the experience when I get home
kaybee
June 14, 2017 at 2:06 AM
I loathe leaving a show unfinished, but tbh I wouldn’t recommend finishing MxM. The two last eps ruined all the small things I did like about the show (which aren’t many. Pretty much only consits of Ungwang being hilarious and PHJ being suave and dorky at the same time. But still). Just… let it be. Although sarcastic screencapping sounds awesome and now I kind of want to see that, I also don’t want to see you throw away six precious hours of your life that will make you feel like you wasted the previous ten too lol 😛
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
June 14, 2017 at 4:59 AM
Hmmmm yet another show to add to the list of ‘we didn’t really know where we wanted to take this in the beginning so the last half sucked’ I feel… too many of those.
Idk, you’d be surprised at what of can make myself get through for the sake of sarcasm and finishing something hahaha
Although I can always skimmed it.
Either way I know I don’t have to worry about finishing it ASAP, I can wait till home. 🙂
kaybee
June 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM
Yep, sadly so. Guess I was right when I kept seeing K2 parallels in the beginning, but I SO wanted it to be just my imagination. It wasn’t. And the “climax” at the end was just as wtf and anti-climactic as K2 <:( (lol it was supposed to be an angry one, but now it's just a sad smiley with a party hat pwahaha)
You can DEFINITELY wait till you get home!
"you’d be surprised at what of can make myself get through for the sake of sarcasm and finishing something"
Pfffft that's so me 😛
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
June 14, 2017 at 7:45 AM
Also sorry for those typos it was 5:30 am when I typed that and I was on my phone with its silly auto correct.
Idk from what I’ve seen of MXM flaws, K2 had other and different problems. K2’s climax was… idk too climatic for no character set up. Sounds like MXM just fell flat.
Heeeee sad smiley with a party hat- I need that emoji. Totally gonna use it now haha.
It’s what I did with Moorim School, bloody hell was that last episode hard to get through BUT I DID IT
kaybee
June 14, 2017 at 7:58 AM
Didn’t even notice the typos lol, no worries.
I dunno. The romance shoe-horned in; the hero who’s stoic and action-y and secretive, but also suddenly like a little kid in a totally random, uncharacteristic way; lots of action in the beginning, hardly any by the end; completely unrealistic, unsatisfying and random wrapping-up of the major “mystery”. I feel like it has a lot of similarities, but maybe that’s just me.
Well, then I hereby grant you permission to use said smiley! 😛
Thankfully I was still somewhat new to kdrama back then and was charmed by Lee Hyun Woo, so it didn’t feel as bad a show to me as it did to most. Don’t know if I’d be able to finish it now though, 80 shows or so later 😛
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
June 14, 2017 at 8:13 AM
Okay well when you point them out yes, they had a lot of similarities. haha
And I guess neither of the main leads had much (any) backstory. But I felt like SW had more onscreen development than K2, who had literally none, in fact, I wasn’t quite sure why he was the main character.
They just feel a lot tonally different in my head, MXM made me laugh. K2 was trying to be more thriller-y and exciting (and just ended up a mess)
I didn’t watch it airing I don’t think. I also skipped to episode 6 after the first ep or something haha, and it took my friend and I almost a year to finish it all hahaha. Lee Hyun Woo was ok in it, I actually though the female leads were it’s (only) saving grace.
kaybee
June 14, 2017 at 8:57 AM
I think tonally they aimed for the same, but ended up differently, maybe. MxM seemed to really try to make the mystery and spy parts thrilling, but they just felt boring most of the time, while its comedic moments saved it from complete horrendousness. The K2 on the other hand had an interesting villain that all but saved the show, while its attempts at a lighter tone always felt weird or just meh (like the ramyun twirl. What the literal f was that scene even about?).
It’s not that I found LHW particulary impressive or anything, in fact I’m not quite as wow’ed by his acting as most beanies, but there’s just something about him that draws me in and I don’t even find him handsome. So I guess it’s his charisma?
I thought I was the only one who liked the female leads! They were a big part of why I stuck with it. But if I hadn’t live-watched from the beginning I’m not sure I would’ve made it to the end LOL.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
June 14, 2017 at 11:19 AM
Yeah, right? I was actually gonna say something similar, or maybe like they tried each tried for the opposite of what they should’ve been/were at their core. (Oh gosh the ramyun twirl… I actually forgot about it for a minute there then remembered O.o – actually someone in the comments sparked this thought and I’ve carried with it since then, about how much better the K2 would’ve been if the villainess was a little younger and the “romantic interest” and if Anna was a young girl still, so that the K2 and Anna had a guardian/protector/almost familial relationship, and then the romance had a tragic or bittersweet ending when the villainess kinda consumes herself… that would’ve been more heart wrenching to watch, gosh can we have that drama pls)
I’m haven’t been wowed by his acting yet either haha he’s just nice to watch 😛 Charisma would do it. Or his voice and hands. He has really nice hands… that’s more a bonus than something that would get me to watch a show though hahaha.
Omygosh did others not?!?! They were both so badass! Some people don’t like Seo Ye Ji (like in Hwarang) but I thought she was fantastic in MS. Idk it seemed like only the female leads in MS got the good lines and character writing though haha so maybe that was it.
kaybee
June 14, 2017 at 12:41 PM
Yesssss. I was rooting for him and the villainess the entire show. Just imagine the complexity and moral ambiguity and ugh, it could’ve been so good! Don’t care that she’s that much older, that just adds another layer. Their chemistry was sizzling! The rest sounds AMAZING too and now I really want that drama! I think it should’ve gone for something more like Lookout, with lots of moral ambiguity and stuff, would’ve been awesome. Or maybe that’s just my preference for that kind of thing in stories that makes me want it everywhere. I like real life people to have a steady moral compass, but fictional characters are so much more interesting when they’re not plain good or evil.
Someone’s voice can totally make me watch their drama. Like Sung Joon. I think like half his charisma and appeal is that voice of his lol. Watching for someone’s hands though… that I’ve never done 😛 Although nice hands is always a plus!
I loved Seo Ye Ji in MS! I was so surprised to see people talking negatively about her when she was announced for Hwarang. But maybe you’re right, maybe the writing made her stand out more positively.
Now I want to go back and check… Except I don’t think I’ll ever want to revisit that drama, it’s better to just let it lie as a nice memory of one of my first live-watches LOL.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
June 14, 2017 at 1:27 PM
It’s funny and possibly I’m the odd one out here but I actually thought their tension could’ve been /higher/, to make me feel more (my cold tsundere heart) but also it could’ve been written better? Like it could’ve been written to have more impact. The whole show could’ve actually. (Perhaps I’m just hard to move, there are very few shows that have shifted me completely emotionally)
I’m not one for story lines with too much adultery, it’s just something in fiction or real life that just doesn’t sit well with me, even if for example, as in the K2s case, he (her husband) is a cheating asshole, that wouldn’t excuse her of the same sin. If you know what I mean. I don’t know if that’s what you meant by the moral ambiguity you wanted, I have a feeling it’s not entirely, but I thought I’d bring it up anyway.
But with a bit of tweaking I could come up with a scenario where you would have moral ambiguity, and the age gap villainess-hero romance and the tragic ending and keep my anti-adulterer heart at ease lmao.
Needless to say this ‘could’ve been drama’ definitely inspired me to make a story for it of my own in my head. Should write it down and send it to a broadcasting company hehe.
I’m looking forward to THAT moral ambiguity in Lookout a lot though! Because I actually like Kim Young Kwang a lot and am invested in his character already from the snippets I’ve seen even though he’s like frikking chaotic neutral/good? very chaotic good? idk and playing three sides yikes.
Oh boi, yes, Sung Joon’s voice. It only gets deeper too <3
I haven't either!! I just have a thing for hands… you know how people like eyes? I notice hands.
It's interesting that such a poorly written show plot wise nailed the female characters. I wonder who the writer was, they should only write female characters haha. Comparatively Hwarang had A LOT of issues, least of all was Ye Ji haha and she wasn't that bad. She played what she was given pretty well. Go Ara was worse. Ooops did I just say that outloud? 😉
Hahaha noo don't go back! Just trust your first impression! lmao
The only reason I'd revisit that drama would be to try and find that once piece of 'ai-ee-ai-ee-aii-ai-ai-ai-ai-ai' background music that STILL HAUNTS ME TO THIS DAY
kaybee
June 14, 2017 at 1:41 PM
Lol yeah, not the moral ambiguity I was thinking of ^^ In fact, I’d even forgotten she was married (oops). (I don’t want characters to cheat, but I do sometimes want them to get a divorce, cause there are some seriously abusive, controlling monster-spouses in kdrama O.O) The moral ambiguity I was thinking of is more along the lines of making people flawed and the kind of people who feel like sacrificing something “small” for the sake of something “greater” or something that would save more lives along the line etc. Basically any kind of character that isn’t all good or evil – like a more nuanced writing, I guess? I like the tension and unpredictability it brings to a story.
I know what you mean about their chemistry. When I say it was sizzling, I mean that their raw chemistry was insanely full of potential. The writing did indeed sadly fail to deliver on that potential, which is such a shame.
I don’t think I’ll ever watch Hwarang. The combination of sageuk, cheap-looking costumes, bad writing and Minho (he just. can’t. act. at all.) kind of scares me away.
Lol I have no idea what you’re talking about, I can’t remember any of the music from that show haha.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
June 14, 2017 at 2:42 PM
Divorce I’m ok with. haha
Yeah I kinda figured that’s what you meant /after/ I’d typed up my spiel so I just left it in haha. She was already pretty deep as a character but they could’ve played on that so much more, have that the centre point of the show. Is she the heroine or the villain? And he could’ve been the one to sway that throne of hers with yes, that raw chemistry they definitely had which wasn’t pushed far enough AHHH I WANNA WRITE THIS NOW.
Hahahahaha re. Minho. He also wasn’t the worst part of that show. It’s more like lots of tiny little things just added together to make it rather average. Although his character was cheesy and jerky it kinda worked… sometimes…?
Let’s just say Key, and even Onew is the better actor from SHINee pfffffffft. And I wouldn’t recommend Hwarang really to anyone so yeah.
kaybee
June 16, 2017 at 3:07 AM
Exactly! So many interesting things they could’ve done with the villainess and their chemistry.
Lol EVERYONE in Shinee is probably a better actor than Minho hahahaha 😛 I did make it through the entirity of To the Beautiful You and was pleasantly surprised at him not being quite as embarrassingly bad as I thought he’d be, but since I expected the absolute worst, that’s not saying a lot 😛