Even I’m a little salty you said that and I don’t get worked up for anything. 😮You didn’t happen to see my piece about the music of Goblin and how it changed my life have you? Well, just in case…http://www.dramabeans.com/2017/09/music-and-dramas-how-dramas-brought-me-back-to-my-first-love/
And you probably haven’t seen my blog…probably shouldn’t tell you about that…and my trip to Quebec City…and how many real life things I’ve done because of that show…😉
I really hated the way that show treated the female lead. I did think it was quite boring and the gender issues were so pervasive I couldn’t get past them.
But music is a completely different thing. I do remember the OST being beautiful. But for me a bad or overbearing pop OST can affect my enjoyment of a show (Healer comes to mind) but a great one rarely changes my opinion of the plot.
Apropos of nothing (or perhaps of OSTs), do you enjoy Secret Love affair? I thought that score was AMAZING.
I guess I saw the female differently. I’m strange for being quite ok with a high school girl with an older man, and an orphan at that. Could she have been terribly abused, certainly, and I’ve seen it second- hand not go well. But I’ve also seen it go perfectly well too. And the submissiveness didn’t bother me either. I’d be submissive under a would-be god too. But I can see if you take this drama out of context and apply it to real life how disturbing is actually is. I chose not to do that and it made me enjoy it that much more. I’m really not salty about any of it. I love it, but not everyone did or will.
I guess I saw the female differently. I’m strange for being quite ok with a high school girl with an older man, and an orphan at that. Could she have been terribly abused, certainly, and I’ve seen it second- hand not go well. But I’ve also seen it go perfectly well too. And the submissiveness didn’t bother me either. I’d be submissive under a would-be god too. But I can see if you take this drama out of context and apply it to real life how disturbing is actually is. I chose not to do that and it made me enjoy it that much more. I’m really not salty about any of it. I love it, but not everyone did or will.
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@Ally I wanted to say I share your opinion, and yes your piano piece was really amamzing! But to the OP, just cause I watched the episode fresh last night and my memory of the experience all of it is still so vivid, I do feel upset when someone calls it a piece of pedophilia. I mean boring okay, but pedophilia seriously? At least respect other’s opinion since it really hurts when words like these are used. Anyhow, 🙂 I just wanted to say, people don’t have a problem with Son Oh Gong being 500 years old and dating sun mi in Hwauyugi lol, since it has been played by lee seung gi and he’s 30 years old? And OYS is same aged as him? But Kim Shin’s ‘sin’ is poor Gong Yoo is 38 years old lol, I guess if anyone same aged as Kim Go Eun played Kim Shin, people won’t intensely react to the characters. The logic, it just doesn’t match. Boring, numb, cliche, stereotype all that I’m okay with, but calling Kim Shin a pedophile? You are borderline taking the drama to trajectory where it hasn’t travelled and it really sounds dark and gross which it isn’t IMO. That’s disrespectful to all those viewers like me who enjoyed the drama. Someone can not like it for sure, but I really hope they can consider other people’s sentiment at least to some extent.
Umm… any show were the “happy ending” involves a middle-aged man and a girl in a school uniform is open to that interpretation. So I’m not going to apologise for making it even though my bluntness was deliberately inflammatory.
Nothing could transcend the Big issues. I’m in a weird place where Gong Yoo is amazing but I can’t think of a show he did I liked. I think Train to Busan is one of the best zombie films ever made though.
I’ll admit his drama choices aren’t always stellar, but what can I say other than I just find him compelling. Train to Busan is the only zombie thing ever that I enjoyed, and it wasn’t just because of Gong Yoo, though he helped. Good writing and character development make for good zombies I guess.
That’s true, I’m not really into all his movies and dramas but somehow I can’t stop watching him. He’s such a charismatic actor with a strong onscreen presence.
ChinguMode @leetennant, you didn’t like Hello My Teacher or Coffee Prince?? That’s how I feel in love with him and there’s been no going back since!
(except for Big… Big made me sooo angry… urgh…)
OMG COFFEE PRINCE! How could I forget??? I LOVE Coffee Prince. Coffee Prince is one of the best shows ever. There you go, there is one Gong Yoo show I like. I thought Coffee Prince was excellent.
As for Hello My Teacher (Biscuit Teacher and Star Candy), no I didn’t like that. You’d think that the words “noona romance, Gong Yoo and Gong Hyo-jin” all together would mean I’d love it but I found it really frustrating to watch. The female lead was so infantilised and I really dislike how the relationship was treated. It’s one of the few noona romance where I really disliked the OTP. I didn’t want her to end up with either of them, I just wanted her to grow up (or grow a spine).
I didn’t like Biscuit Teacher either, but more because of the high school boy falling for his teacher thing. Mary Kay Letourneu ring any bells? And apparently, it wasn’t “true love” as she’s now divorced from her former (middle school) student. Ick. I don’t think I’m a fan of Gong Hyo-Jin either—which now I’m just realizing as I didn’t like her in Masters Sun either.
Biscuit Teacher was boring. There, I said it. Even though I like both GY and GHJ, the show was a snoozefest for me. I barely made it till the end. And though GY and GHJ usually have sizzling chemistry with their costars I didn’t feel anything special between them. They were more like friends who were comfortable around each other than lovers.
I thought it was worse than Black and that’s saying something. You should see my review of it on My Drama List. Big is the reason I will (probably) never watch a Hong Sisters show again.
The premise and set up of Black was so good. Grim Reapers are my catnip. (That’s not weird is it?) Then it all went to waste. I’m glad I didn’t stick it to the end because after reading about it, I’m sure I would have thrown my computer.
I would like to have a chat with the Hong Sisters. First ask how they are able to get such big names to sign on their projects, and then why do they mess it up and waste such talent. Why? Why?
I think I am the only one who didn’t like the Hong Sisters’ Hwayugi. I stopped at ep8 and never attempted to try it again. The premise SHOULD have been a total hit for me. and then nope. whomp whomp…
Had I been at a movie theatre to watch Big and Hwayugi, I’d have asked for a refund. #timeNOTwellspent
@egads
I loved every episode of Black until the end. It went off the rails so quickly I couldn’t quite process it until there were bad wigs and happiness and rainbows and I had no idea what was going on.
@kethysk
I didn’t even start Hwayugi. I was waiting to see if people liked the ending before making a decision on account of the Hongs but now am glad I didn’t bother.
We agree here too. I really don’t “get” the Hong sisters’ popularity. Didn’t think Masters sun was all that, Hwayugi was awful, and didn’t even try any others. I think it had to do with just knowing they ruined Big which had Gong Yoo, and everyone here knows how much I love that man. Why would they do that to him? That’s another diatribe for another day.
The Hong Sisters and Kim Eun-sook are similar for me. They create these lush, detailed worlds with complex, slightly disturbing set-ups and relationships and I think that’s what people like.
But then they just meander around and throw their characters under the bus and ignore their central conflict. Kim Eun-sook has an added problem in how she treats her female characters (of which Goblin is the worst example).
I haven’t seen Master’s Sun or Hwayugi because they’re Hong Sisters.
Seriously, if a lesser actor had been stuck with that mess it could have ruined their career. It’s a good thing he had really good movie projects in the works.
Hwayugi was wasted potential again, but I watched it, and enjoyed some of it. I went in keeping my expectations down and mostly just rode the Lee Seung-gi train of fun.
Goblin was my gateway to Kdrama obsession. I had seen a few before, but Goblin (and Gong Yoo, because let’s be honest here) got me bad. The look of it, the mythology, the comedy, the OST all hit me in just the right place. I’m a sucker for a seemingly impossible romance. And despite all the Subway PPL, I fell in love.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 6:14 PM
Help! I’m the Goblin’s Underpants and you all know how much I hate that show. Propel me forward, Beanie Chingu
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 6:36 PM
lol. that bad?
mindy
March 21, 2018 at 6:47 PM
It’s a divisive show, I think. Lots of people love it, lots of people don’t. I never finished it although I loved the first episode.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 6:57 PM
People get upset when I call it a “mind-numbingly boring piece of paedophilia”.
For some reason.
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:02 PM
riiiight… I can see why they get upset. lol
whoopeeyoo
March 21, 2018 at 7:14 PM
HAHAHA
Ally
March 21, 2018 at 7:37 PM
Even I’m a little salty you said that and I don’t get worked up for anything. 😮You didn’t happen to see my piece about the music of Goblin and how it changed my life have you? Well, just in case…http://www.dramabeans.com/2017/09/music-and-dramas-how-dramas-brought-me-back-to-my-first-love/
And you probably haven’t seen my blog…probably shouldn’t tell you about that…and my trip to Quebec City…and how many real life things I’ve done because of that show…😉
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 7:43 PM
*An emoticon for chastened*
I really hated the way that show treated the female lead. I did think it was quite boring and the gender issues were so pervasive I couldn’t get past them.
But music is a completely different thing. I do remember the OST being beautiful. But for me a bad or overbearing pop OST can affect my enjoyment of a show (Healer comes to mind) but a great one rarely changes my opinion of the plot.
Apropos of nothing (or perhaps of OSTs), do you enjoy Secret Love affair? I thought that score was AMAZING.
Ally
March 21, 2018 at 7:56 PM
I guess I saw the female differently. I’m strange for being quite ok with a high school girl with an older man, and an orphan at that. Could she have been terribly abused, certainly, and I’ve seen it second- hand not go well. But I’ve also seen it go perfectly well too. And the submissiveness didn’t bother me either. I’d be submissive under a would-be god too. But I can see if you take this drama out of context and apply it to real life how disturbing is actually is. I chose not to do that and it made me enjoy it that much more. I’m really not salty about any of it. I love it, but not everyone did or will.
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:44 PM
it made me wanna go to Quebec city too!!
I mean, it’s only a 6hr train ride away from my town!
#someday
Ally
March 21, 2018 at 8:07 PM
#besttripever #goifitkillsyou
fay17
March 22, 2018 at 4:05 AM
I guess I saw the female differently. I’m strange for being quite ok with a high school girl with an older man, and an orphan at that. Could she have been terribly abused, certainly, and I’ve seen it second- hand not go well. But I’ve also seen it go perfectly well too. And the submissiveness didn’t bother me either. I’d be submissive under a would-be god too. But I can see if you take this drama out of context and apply it to real life how disturbing is actually is. I chose not to do that and it made me enjoy it that much more. I’m really not salty about any of it. I love it, but not everyone did or will.
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@Ally I wanted to say I share your opinion, and yes your piano piece was really amamzing! But to the OP, just cause I watched the episode fresh last night and my memory of the experience all of it is still so vivid, I do feel upset when someone calls it a piece of pedophilia. I mean boring okay, but pedophilia seriously? At least respect other’s opinion since it really hurts when words like these are used. Anyhow, 🙂 I just wanted to say, people don’t have a problem with Son Oh Gong being 500 years old and dating sun mi in Hwauyugi lol, since it has been played by lee seung gi and he’s 30 years old? And OYS is same aged as him? But Kim Shin’s ‘sin’ is poor Gong Yoo is 38 years old lol, I guess if anyone same aged as Kim Go Eun played Kim Shin, people won’t intensely react to the characters. The logic, it just doesn’t match. Boring, numb, cliche, stereotype all that I’m okay with, but calling Kim Shin a pedophile? You are borderline taking the drama to trajectory where it hasn’t travelled and it really sounds dark and gross which it isn’t IMO. That’s disrespectful to all those viewers like me who enjoyed the drama. Someone can not like it for sure, but I really hope they can consider other people’s sentiment at least to some extent.
fay17
March 22, 2018 at 4:06 AM
*amazing.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 22, 2018 at 1:45 PM
Umm… any show were the “happy ending” involves a middle-aged man and a girl in a school uniform is open to that interpretation. So I’m not going to apologise for making it even though my bluntness was deliberately inflammatory.
Ally
March 21, 2018 at 6:39 PM
You an I have the complete opposite taste in shows, it seems. 😂
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 6:55 PM
I think so, yes!
egads aka Dame Maggie
March 21, 2018 at 6:51 PM
I loved it, yet I do recognize its problems. Gong Yoo has the ability to transcend most problems. Well, except for the Big issues.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 6:57 PM
Nothing could transcend the Big issues. I’m in a weird place where Gong Yoo is amazing but I can’t think of a show he did I liked. I think Train to Busan is one of the best zombie films ever made though.
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 6:59 PM
Train to Busan was aaaawesome! yaaaasss!
egads aka Dame Maggie
March 21, 2018 at 7:03 PM
I’ll admit his drama choices aren’t always stellar, but what can I say other than I just find him compelling. Train to Busan is the only zombie thing ever that I enjoyed, and it wasn’t just because of Gong Yoo, though he helped. Good writing and character development make for good zombies I guess.
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:15 PM
have you watched Shaun of the Dead @egads ? I found this zombie movie hilaaarious! #britishcomedy
egads aka Dame Maggie
March 21, 2018 at 7:16 PM
Started it, fell asleep. I know.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 7:18 PM
I love Shaun of the Dead so much. That move was awesome.
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:21 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !@egads
you slept??!?! hoooow?!?!
HAHAHAHAHA
cherry 🍒
March 22, 2018 at 2:39 AM
That’s true, I’m not really into all his movies and dramas but somehow I can’t stop watching him. He’s such a charismatic actor with a strong onscreen presence.
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:09 PM
ChinguMode @leetennant, you didn’t like Hello My Teacher or Coffee Prince?? That’s how I feel in love with him and there’s been no going back since!
(except for Big… Big made me sooo angry… urgh…)
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 7:15 PM
OMG COFFEE PRINCE! How could I forget??? I LOVE Coffee Prince. Coffee Prince is one of the best shows ever. There you go, there is one Gong Yoo show I like. I thought Coffee Prince was excellent.
As for Hello My Teacher (Biscuit Teacher and Star Candy), no I didn’t like that. You’d think that the words “noona romance, Gong Yoo and Gong Hyo-jin” all together would mean I’d love it but I found it really frustrating to watch. The female lead was so infantilised and I really dislike how the relationship was treated. It’s one of the few noona romance where I really disliked the OTP. I didn’t want her to end up with either of them, I just wanted her to grow up (or grow a spine).
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:23 PM
fine fine… Gong Hyo Jin in Hello My Teacher WAS frustrating… I agree… and yet… ^_^
Ally
March 21, 2018 at 7:34 PM
I didn’t like Biscuit Teacher either, but more because of the high school boy falling for his teacher thing. Mary Kay Letourneu ring any bells? And apparently, it wasn’t “true love” as she’s now divorced from her former (middle school) student. Ick. I don’t think I’m a fan of Gong Hyo-Jin either—which now I’m just realizing as I didn’t like her in Masters Sun either.
egads aka Dame Maggie
March 21, 2018 at 7:44 PM
I can get on board with age differences, but I cannot when it is a teacher/student relationship. Nope, not even for Gong Yoo.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 7:48 PM
@ally-le @egads
Preach
cherry 🍒
March 22, 2018 at 2:35 AM
Biscuit Teacher was boring. There, I said it. Even though I like both GY and GHJ, the show was a snoozefest for me. I barely made it till the end. And though GY and GHJ usually have sizzling chemistry with their costars I didn’t feel anything special between them. They were more like friends who were comfortable around each other than lovers.
Ally
March 21, 2018 at 7:16 PM
Ok, we agree here!
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:01 PM
nothing, not even Gong Yoo, could fix Big. it was just a disastrous flop that I suffered myself to watch till the end, for some absurd reason.
egads aka Dame Maggie
March 21, 2018 at 7:06 PM
Wow. He owes you.
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:20 PM
Big time!
#punIntended
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 7:08 PM
I thought it was worse than Black and that’s saying something. You should see my review of it on My Drama List. Big is the reason I will (probably) never watch a Hong Sisters show again.
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:13 PM
I forgave them (a little) when I fell in love with Master’s Sun. They were VERY stingy with the kisses between our OTP but hey…
egads aka Dame Maggie
March 21, 2018 at 7:13 PM
The premise and set up of Black was so good. Grim Reapers are my catnip. (That’s not weird is it?) Then it all went to waste. I’m glad I didn’t stick it to the end because after reading about it, I’m sure I would have thrown my computer.
I would like to have a chat with the Hong Sisters. First ask how they are able to get such big names to sign on their projects, and then why do they mess it up and waste such talent. Why? Why?
KSKalways
March 21, 2018 at 7:19 PM
I think I am the only one who didn’t like the Hong Sisters’ Hwayugi. I stopped at ep8 and never attempted to try it again. The premise SHOULD have been a total hit for me. and then nope. whomp whomp…
Had I been at a movie theatre to watch Big and Hwayugi, I’d have asked for a refund. #timeNOTwellspent
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 7:22 PM
@egads
I loved every episode of Black until the end. It went off the rails so quickly I couldn’t quite process it until there were bad wigs and happiness and rainbows and I had no idea what was going on.
@kethysk
I didn’t even start Hwayugi. I was waiting to see if people liked the ending before making a decision on account of the Hongs but now am glad I didn’t bother.
Ally
March 21, 2018 at 7:21 PM
We agree here too. I really don’t “get” the Hong sisters’ popularity. Didn’t think Masters sun was all that, Hwayugi was awful, and didn’t even try any others. I think it had to do with just knowing they ruined Big which had Gong Yoo, and everyone here knows how much I love that man. Why would they do that to him? That’s another diatribe for another day.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
March 21, 2018 at 7:31 PM
The Hong Sisters and Kim Eun-sook are similar for me. They create these lush, detailed worlds with complex, slightly disturbing set-ups and relationships and I think that’s what people like.
But then they just meander around and throw their characters under the bus and ignore their central conflict. Kim Eun-sook has an added problem in how she treats her female characters (of which Goblin is the worst example).
I haven’t seen Master’s Sun or Hwayugi because they’re Hong Sisters.
egads aka Dame Maggie
March 21, 2018 at 7:41 PM
Seriously, if a lesser actor had been stuck with that mess it could have ruined their career. It’s a good thing he had really good movie projects in the works.
Hwayugi was wasted potential again, but I watched it, and enjoyed some of it. I went in keeping my expectations down and mostly just rode the Lee Seung-gi train of fun.
Ally
March 21, 2018 at 7:43 PM
And we’re back to not agreeing again 😂🤣🤣.
Ally
March 21, 2018 at 7:46 PM
Goblin is my absolute favorite kdrama (if you haven’t noticed)! Coffee Prince comes in 4th. Although OTP-wise, Coffee Prince is probably 1st.
egads aka Dame Maggie
March 21, 2018 at 7:50 PM
Goblin was my gateway to Kdrama obsession. I had seen a few before, but Goblin (and Gong Yoo, because let’s be honest here) got me bad. The look of it, the mythology, the comedy, the OST all hit me in just the right place. I’m a sucker for a seemingly impossible romance. And despite all the Subway PPL, I fell in love.
cherry 🍒
March 22, 2018 at 2:21 AM
Me too, I watched it till the end. Even after it was aired and I knew what a disaster it was and I still watched it for him. Bang.