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Today I did TTMIK level 7 lesson 11. @delsatu you were right. This lesson was really hard 😭😭😭
This lesson was about “making things happen” by using the suffixes ์ด/ํ/๋ฆฌ/๊ธฐ/์ฐ/๊ตฌ/์ถ (why so many???) and the first four are also used to make a verb into passive voice so you have to determine the meaning based on context *bangs head against wall* Also, some verbs can’t be turned into causative form using these endings so you have to use ๊ฒ ํ๋ค instead.
์ํค๋ค is the causative form of ํ๋ค.
I’m also reviewing 3.7 on linking verbs using ์/์ด/์ฌ์.
1. ์ ๋ ์ฌ์ฅ์ค์ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฑฐ์์.
2. ๊ฒจ์ธ์ ์ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋ฐ๋ปํ ์ท์ ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ค์ํด์.
3. ํ์๋ค์ด ๋ชป ๊ณต๋ถ์ํค๋ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์ ์๋์ด ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ด๋ ค์์.
1. I will go to the boss’s office and show him my report.
2. In winter, it is important to make babies wear warm clothes.
3. Being a teacher is hard because you can’t make students study.
2. and 3. : (I am not sure about this) Since, with this structure, the teacher can’t make the students study and someone is dressing the baby, then students and baby are object to the verbs and would need an object marker ๋ฅผ/ ์, don’t you think?
Honestly I have no idea! I was messing around with these in Naver for the longest time and these seemed to translate correctly. I think we need @acacia‘s help 🙂
1. ์ ๋ ์ฌ์ฅ์ค์ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๊ฑฐ์์.
-So one thing is, TTMIK only has the root verb of the causative verbs so it makes it difficult to figure out how to use it. In this case, the -์ดโs change a lot. I cant think of ones other than the ones that TTMIK put so Iโll use their examples:
๋ น์ด๋ค > ๋ น์ฌ์ก์ด์ (something had melted on its own) > ๋ น์์ด์ (I melted something) > ๋ น์ธ ๊ฒ (๋ น์ด๋ค used as an adjective)
๋ณด์ด๋ค >๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ค (show something to someone) > ๋ณด์ฌ์ (because I saw something)
๋์ด๋ค > ๋์๋ค (past tense)
Now that I write it out, it for -์ด, the past tense is to change it to -์ฌ. Hope that helps! Iโll do the other two sentences separately 😊
Yes! Thereโs a weird thing with ๋ณด๋ค and ์ฃผ๋ค but itโs not a strict see and give.
(1) ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ค: show someone something
(2) ๋ด์ฃผ๋ค: look at/check something for someone, i.e ์ ๋๋ก ํ๋์ง ๋ด์ฃผ์ธ์ (please check that I did this correctly)
Trying to find examples of our lessons during my Korean watching sessions is a very good exercise! It forces me to listen better and not be distracted by Lee Junki good looks! ๐
1. If I don’t die, I think I will kill you!
2. When I was a child, my mom put me to sleep because I couldn’t sleep well alone.
3. When my nephew was hiding, I hid his birthday present.
Thank you! I found this structure easier to remember if I forget the all causative explanation and consider that two meanings come from the basic verb:
– to die : ์ฃฝ๋ค ; to kill : ์ฃฝ์ด๋ค
– to eat: ๋จน๋ค ; to feed : ๋จน์ด๋ค
– to know: ์๋ค ; to inform : ์๋ฆฌ๋ค
– to live: ์ด๋ค : to save (someone’s life): ์ด๋ฆฌ๋ค
– to take charge of: ๋งก๋ค; to entrust : ๋งก๊ธฐ๋ค
Fortunatly, it is often the same which come up regularly, so we’ll remember a few of them eventually! ๐ Fighting!
2. ๊ฒจ์ธ์๋ ์ ๊ธฐ์๊ฒ ๋ฐ๋ปํ ์ท์ ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ค์ํด์.
In this case, the causative is used to do something for someone so the โtoโ translates to ์๊ฒ
3. ํ์๋ค์๊ฒ ๊ณต๋ถ๋ฅผ ๋ชป ์ํค๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์ ์๋์ด ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ด๋ ค์์.
-๋ชป and ์ are two negative words that are usually placed before verbs instead of before nouns. So ๊ณต๋ถ is not a verb but the noun โstudyโ. I realized it seems like a verb in Korean but ๊ณต๋ถํ๋ค means โdoing studyโ (grammatically incorrect in English) so the negation would be ๊ณต๋ถ ์ํ๋ค.
-I think one of my unfinished question answering was on using -๊ธฐ. Hopefully it comes out in TTMIK soon but google had a good rec too. https://www.google.com/amp/s/funkorean4u.wordpress.com/2014/08/20/grammar-๊ธฐ-๋-๊ฒ-์-nominalization/amp/
Overall, I think you did pretty well on the causatives! The explanations are not on correcting your use of the causatives 😊 Good job!
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 23, 2018 at 8:23 PM
Daily Korean practice in the comments! Feel free to write your own Korean sentences or correct my mistakes 🙂
#onlyfiveandahalfhourstilTheEastLight’scomeback🎉🎉🎉
#it’sgonnabeawesome💛
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 23, 2018 at 9:01 PM
Today I did TTMIK level 7 lesson 11. @delsatu you were right. This lesson was really hard 😭😭😭
This lesson was about “making things happen” by using the suffixes ์ด/ํ/๋ฆฌ/๊ธฐ/์ฐ/๊ตฌ/์ถ (why so many???) and the first four are also used to make a verb into passive voice so you have to determine the meaning based on context *bangs head against wall* Also, some verbs can’t be turned into causative form using these endings so you have to use ๊ฒ ํ๋ค instead.
์ํค๋ค is the causative form of ํ๋ค.
I’m also reviewing 3.7 on linking verbs using ์/์ด/์ฌ์.
1. ์ ๋ ์ฌ์ฅ์ค์ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฑฐ์์.
2. ๊ฒจ์ธ์ ์ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋ฐ๋ปํ ์ท์ ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ค์ํด์.
3. ํ์๋ค์ด ๋ชป ๊ณต๋ถ์ํค๋ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์ ์๋์ด ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ด๋ ค์์.
1. I will go to the boss’s office and show him my report.
2. In winter, it is important to make babies wear warm clothes.
3. Being a teacher is hard because you can’t make students study.
DelSatu
May 24, 2018 at 10:28 AM
2. and 3. : (I am not sure about this) Since, with this structure, the teacher can’t make the students study and someone is dressing the baby, then students and baby are object to the verbs and would need an object marker ๋ฅผ/ ์, don’t you think?
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 24, 2018 at 11:57 AM
Honestly I have no idea! I was messing around with these in Naver for the longest time and these seemed to translate correctly. I think we need @acacia‘s help 🙂
DelSatu
May 24, 2018 at 12:09 PM
@acacia!!! Help us!!! we are drowning in causative verbs! ๐
acacia
May 24, 2018 at 12:26 PM
Got it!
acacia
May 24, 2018 at 1:24 PM
1. ์ ๋ ์ฌ์ฅ์ค์ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๊ฑฐ์์.
-So one thing is, TTMIK only has the root verb of the causative verbs so it makes it difficult to figure out how to use it. In this case, the -์ดโs change a lot. I cant think of ones other than the ones that TTMIK put so Iโll use their examples:
๋ น์ด๋ค > ๋ น์ฌ์ก์ด์ (something had melted on its own) > ๋ น์์ด์ (I melted something) > ๋ น์ธ ๊ฒ (๋ น์ด๋ค used as an adjective)
๋ณด์ด๋ค >๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ค (show something to someone) > ๋ณด์ฌ์ (because I saw something)
๋์ด๋ค > ๋์๋ค (past tense)
Now that I write it out, it for -์ด, the past tense is to change it to -์ฌ. Hope that helps! Iโll do the other two sentences separately 😊
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 24, 2018 at 1:32 PM
Thanks for the explanation 🙂 Where did the ์ฃผ come from in ๋ณด์ฌ์ค๊ฑฐ์์? Is that ์ฃผ as in ์ฃผ๋ค (to give)?
acacia
May 24, 2018 at 5:51 PM
Yes! Thereโs a weird thing with ๋ณด๋ค and ์ฃผ๋ค but itโs not a strict see and give.
(1) ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ๋ค: show someone something
(2) ๋ด์ฃผ๋ค: look at/check something for someone, i.e ์ ๋๋ก ํ๋์ง ๋ด์ฃผ์ธ์ (please check that I did this correctly)
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 24, 2018 at 5:56 PM
Thanks for explaining!
DelSatu
May 27, 2018 at 12:57 AM
Listening practice for the causative form!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl_0X0XsvhQ&index=40&list=PLdyB3s37qpTNFA-p7xZ80B0x3sFg5iMM5
2:28 : ์๋ ค์ฃผ๋ผ : I’ll let you know / I’ll inform you
and just after ๋ค๊ฐ ๋ณด์ฌ์ฃผ์ง: I’ll show you
and everywhere some I will kill you / I killed him, etc. Just another day in dramaland! ๐
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 27, 2018 at 1:06 AM
Thanks for the listening practice! I really appreciate it. I also noticed someone said ์ด์ฐจํผ which we covered a few lessons ago!
DelSatu
May 27, 2018 at 2:01 AM
Trying to find examples of our lessons during my Korean watching sessions is a very good exercise! It forces me to listen better and not be distracted by Lee Junki good looks! ๐
bam ๐ข๐๐~
May 23, 2018 at 10:30 PM
Aw, no!! I HAVE to sleep through it. 😞 Would stay up but I have a thing and I need the rest. Canโt wait for their comeback, though!
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 23, 2018 at 10:35 PM
I understand. Sleep well bammsie. You can listen to it in the morning 🙂
bam ๐ข๐๐~
May 23, 2018 at 10:40 PM
Thank you, Ra. ๐
DelSatu
May 24, 2018 at 12:30 AM
1. ์ ๊ฐ ์ฃฝ์ง ์์ผ๋ฉด, ๋ ์ฃฝ์ผ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์!
2. ์ด๋ ธ์ ๋ ์ ๊ฐ ํผ์์ ์ ๋ชป ์๋๋ผ๊ณ ์๋ง๊ฐ ์ ๋ฅผ ์ฌ์ ์ด์.
3. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์กฐ์นด๊ฐ ์จ์ด ์์ ๋ ์์ผ ์ ๋ฌผ์ ์จ๊ฒผ์ด์.
1. If I don’t die, I think I will kill you!
2. When I was a child, my mom put me to sleep because I couldn’t sleep well alone.
3. When my nephew was hiding, I hid his birthday present.
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 24, 2018 at 12:42 AM
Good job 🙂
DelSatu
May 24, 2018 at 12:08 PM
Thank you! I found this structure easier to remember if I forget the all causative explanation and consider that two meanings come from the basic verb:
– to die : ์ฃฝ๋ค ; to kill : ์ฃฝ์ด๋ค
– to eat: ๋จน๋ค ; to feed : ๋จน์ด๋ค
– to know: ์๋ค ; to inform : ์๋ฆฌ๋ค
– to live: ์ด๋ค : to save (someone’s life): ์ด๋ฆฌ๋ค
– to take charge of: ๋งก๋ค; to entrust : ๋งก๊ธฐ๋ค
Fortunatly, it is often the same which come up regularly, so we’ll remember a few of them eventually! ๐ Fighting!
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 24, 2018 at 12:17 PM
That seems like a good way of doing it 🙂
acacia
May 24, 2018 at 1:41 PM
1. 👍🏼👍🏼
2. ์ด๋ ธ์ ๋ ์ ๊ฐ ํผ์์ ์ ๋ชป ์์ ์๋ง๊ฐ ์ ๋ฅผ ์ฌ์ ์ด์.
3. 👍🏼👍🏼
Nice!
acacia
May 24, 2018 at 1:39 PM
2. ๊ฒจ์ธ์๋ ์ ๊ธฐ์๊ฒ ๋ฐ๋ปํ ์ท์ ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ค์ํด์.
In this case, the causative is used to do something for someone so the โtoโ translates to ์๊ฒ
3. ํ์๋ค์๊ฒ ๊ณต๋ถ๋ฅผ ๋ชป ์ํค๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ์ ์๋์ด ๋๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ด๋ ค์์.
-๋ชป and ์ are two negative words that are usually placed before verbs instead of before nouns. So ๊ณต๋ถ is not a verb but the noun โstudyโ. I realized it seems like a verb in Korean but ๊ณต๋ถํ๋ค means โdoing studyโ (grammatically incorrect in English) so the negation would be ๊ณต๋ถ ์ํ๋ค.
-I think one of my unfinished question answering was on using -๊ธฐ. Hopefully it comes out in TTMIK soon but google had a good rec too. https://www.google.com/amp/s/funkorean4u.wordpress.com/2014/08/20/grammar-๊ธฐ-๋-๊ฒ-์-nominalization/amp/
Overall, I think you did pretty well on the causatives! The explanations are not on correcting your use of the causatives 😊 Good job!
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 24, 2018 at 1:58 PM
Thanks for the corrections! I really appreciate it! This lesson was hard.
RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 24, 2018 at 1:59 PM
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RaOnAh loves Jay B ๐
May 24, 2018 at 2:00 PM
Pictures aren’t working so…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ejxFAOd6Y74