I think MG just lost me at ep 4. That was assault. Physical and sexual assault. Full stop. I don’t think I can condone it. Not sure if there’s anything DMS can do to even get me past that. I knew he was hot-headed, that he has a mental age of a 4-year-old, but that crossed too far a line. Because the thing is, no matter how childish he is, he has the body and full strength of a 21-22-year-old man, and if he keeps using it to unleash his anger and jealousy against SC, then that’s not ok. Let’s say he’s contrite this time, and maybe apologizes for it, but who’s to say he won’t repeat it even when they’re dating in future? Because heaven forbids she so much looks at another guy with a smile.
What I want to also ask is how on earth did the screenwriter and producers let this scene happen? I can’t remember if it was in the manga or not, but even if it was, this is 2018, it’s not ok anymore. Are they expecting us as viewers to be able to stomach this kind of person as the romantic male lead, and like be ok with SC (or any sane person for that matter) to fall in love with him? His friends, even his butler, kept trying to tell SC (and us) that DMS is not a ‘bad’ guy, but I’m having a very hard time believing it. To think I even thought he was cute at times (though that might be mostly due to the actor)… Sure, maybe he isn’t inherently bad or evil, but intentions aside, actions count too, sometimes more than the intentions themselves.
Beanies who are still watching this drama, how did you move past this scene? I genuinely want to know.
For me what helped is that I was watching that scene and at the same time multitasking. So that questionable scene totally slipped under my radar lol. And then later to get a better idea of what’s happening, I rewinded and thought that scene was totally unnecessary. I mean like some other beanies mentioned even the actor himself seemed pretty uncomfortable doing that scene and I kind of felt the same. It was so out of sync with rest of the episode and the overall vibe of the show that I just didn’t let it get to my head. I guess either someone within the writing team suggested it, [ or the manga has the scene, I hope someone who has read the manga can enlighten us.] Whatever the case is, it should not have been there. And honestly no girl would fall for a boy who tries to scare a girl with a forced kiss or repetitive hit on the wall, so it really fails to create any impact.
Fortunately since that scene no other violent scene has taken place so I’m hoping they realized where they went wrong.
That’s what it felt like to me too. That they could have totally done away with the scene. Or at the most, a forced kiss would do. But the entire sequence was way overdone and unnecessarily long, might even be triggering for some viewers.
I watched BOF, this guy was supposed to be like this, he’s got anger issues, he is sometimes violent, doesn’t respect bounds, doesn’t understand he is not better than others. I don’t know if in the previous MG this existed but I bet it did and how do you make a remake and change such a thing without changing everything that comes later? How to respect the original work? They are not asking us to like what he did, but it is true to his character.
I read the manga and also watched the Korean BOF, but perhaps it’s been really long so my memory is fuzzy, so I somehow don’t remember him being that bad? I know this character got some serious issues, I went in knowing that, but that scene still left me in a bad taste. I don’t know, the violence in that scene was just too much.
Sure, there’s the respecting original work, and then there’s recognizing the times have changed, and adapting to it. I’m not saying we can’t have problematic male leads who eventually change for the better, but in that scene he felt like a sexual predator to me and just lost all my goodwill. It’s just how I feel.
I think what got me past episode 4 was the fact that they did not romanticize that scene at all. You could see it all over Shan Cai’s face that we was feeling violated and harassed, and at some point at the end of the scene Ah Si looked like he regretted it. The show never showed it as something like, “he does this and it’s totally okay.” He did it and it hurt both of them, Shan Cai especially. Even in the later episodes, Shan Cai still grimaces whenever he gets too close, probably scared that he would do the same thing.
Having watched both the original and BOF though, it really helped to know that DMS’s character really improves from here, that he does not stay a douche like he is now. I think that’s what makes HYD such a classic (at least for me), because it shows people that even the worst kind of person can change for the better. At this point, Ah Si still has a lot of growing up to do. Hope you can stick around and see that with us. 🙂
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I too did notice he was contrite but that it took her crying for him to recognize he did wrong…it’s very hard for me to swallow. I tried watching one more episode but he never got around to apologizing and instead at one point even blamed her?
I have read the manga and watched BOF, so I also know he will eventually get ‘better’ because that’s a major point to the story, but right now I’m still reeling from the scene. Perhaps I might check out 1-2 more eps on another day, but for now, I’m going to take a break from it.
Was hoping he’d apologize for it too. Glad that SC voiced out her thoughts about it, that he had to apologize. But alas his pride couldn’t handle it. That’s something that’s been kind of bothering me since episode 5 and I can’t even say he “paid” for it by being heartbroken in the next couple of episodes.
Go ahead, and take a break from it! You definitely have a valid reason for stopping. 🙂
From what I remember in the source material, he does some terrible things such as dragging her with a car, having all her classmates torture her, and instructing other guys to sexually assault her. He WAS awful. They have actually toned him down a bit in this version. I can’t really say that what he did is forgivable, but we do see that he becomes her support and really cherishes her during his character growth.
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Haru
July 22, 2018 at 1:36 PM
I think MG just lost me at ep 4. That was assault. Physical and sexual assault. Full stop. I don’t think I can condone it. Not sure if there’s anything DMS can do to even get me past that. I knew he was hot-headed, that he has a mental age of a 4-year-old, but that crossed too far a line. Because the thing is, no matter how childish he is, he has the body and full strength of a 21-22-year-old man, and if he keeps using it to unleash his anger and jealousy against SC, then that’s not ok. Let’s say he’s contrite this time, and maybe apologizes for it, but who’s to say he won’t repeat it even when they’re dating in future? Because heaven forbids she so much looks at another guy with a smile.
What I want to also ask is how on earth did the screenwriter and producers let this scene happen? I can’t remember if it was in the manga or not, but even if it was, this is 2018, it’s not ok anymore. Are they expecting us as viewers to be able to stomach this kind of person as the romantic male lead, and like be ok with SC (or any sane person for that matter) to fall in love with him? His friends, even his butler, kept trying to tell SC (and us) that DMS is not a ‘bad’ guy, but I’m having a very hard time believing it. To think I even thought he was cute at times (though that might be mostly due to the actor)… Sure, maybe he isn’t inherently bad or evil, but intentions aside, actions count too, sometimes more than the intentions themselves.
Beanies who are still watching this drama, how did you move past this scene? I genuinely want to know.
fay17
July 22, 2018 at 2:28 PM
For me what helped is that I was watching that scene and at the same time multitasking. So that questionable scene totally slipped under my radar lol. And then later to get a better idea of what’s happening, I rewinded and thought that scene was totally unnecessary. I mean like some other beanies mentioned even the actor himself seemed pretty uncomfortable doing that scene and I kind of felt the same. It was so out of sync with rest of the episode and the overall vibe of the show that I just didn’t let it get to my head. I guess either someone within the writing team suggested it, [ or the manga has the scene, I hope someone who has read the manga can enlighten us.] Whatever the case is, it should not have been there. And honestly no girl would fall for a boy who tries to scare a girl with a forced kiss or repetitive hit on the wall, so it really fails to create any impact.
Fortunately since that scene no other violent scene has taken place so I’m hoping they realized where they went wrong.
fay17
July 22, 2018 at 2:28 PM
questionable kiss*
Haru
July 22, 2018 at 6:12 PM
That’s what it felt like to me too. That they could have totally done away with the scene. Or at the most, a forced kiss would do. But the entire sequence was way overdone and unnecessarily long, might even be triggering for some viewers.
Lixie
July 22, 2018 at 2:53 PM
I watched BOF, this guy was supposed to be like this, he’s got anger issues, he is sometimes violent, doesn’t respect bounds, doesn’t understand he is not better than others. I don’t know if in the previous MG this existed but I bet it did and how do you make a remake and change such a thing without changing everything that comes later? How to respect the original work? They are not asking us to like what he did, but it is true to his character.
Haru
July 22, 2018 at 6:20 PM
I read the manga and also watched the Korean BOF, but perhaps it’s been really long so my memory is fuzzy, so I somehow don’t remember him being that bad? I know this character got some serious issues, I went in knowing that, but that scene still left me in a bad taste. I don’t know, the violence in that scene was just too much.
Sure, there’s the respecting original work, and then there’s recognizing the times have changed, and adapting to it. I’m not saying we can’t have problematic male leads who eventually change for the better, but in that scene he felt like a sexual predator to me and just lost all my goodwill. It’s just how I feel.
beesgiggle
July 22, 2018 at 5:05 PM
I think what got me past episode 4 was the fact that they did not romanticize that scene at all. You could see it all over Shan Cai’s face that we was feeling violated and harassed, and at some point at the end of the scene Ah Si looked like he regretted it. The show never showed it as something like, “he does this and it’s totally okay.” He did it and it hurt both of them, Shan Cai especially. Even in the later episodes, Shan Cai still grimaces whenever he gets too close, probably scared that he would do the same thing.
Having watched both the original and BOF though, it really helped to know that DMS’s character really improves from here, that he does not stay a douche like he is now. I think that’s what makes HYD such a classic (at least for me), because it shows people that even the worst kind of person can change for the better. At this point, Ah Si still has a lot of growing up to do. Hope you can stick around and see that with us. 🙂
Haru
July 22, 2018 at 6:26 PM
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I too did notice he was contrite but that it took her crying for him to recognize he did wrong…it’s very hard for me to swallow. I tried watching one more episode but he never got around to apologizing and instead at one point even blamed her?
I have read the manga and watched BOF, so I also know he will eventually get ‘better’ because that’s a major point to the story, but right now I’m still reeling from the scene. Perhaps I might check out 1-2 more eps on another day, but for now, I’m going to take a break from it.
beesgiggle
July 22, 2018 at 9:10 PM
Was hoping he’d apologize for it too. Glad that SC voiced out her thoughts about it, that he had to apologize. But alas his pride couldn’t handle it. That’s something that’s been kind of bothering me since episode 5 and I can’t even say he “paid” for it by being heartbroken in the next couple of episodes.
Go ahead, and take a break from it! You definitely have a valid reason for stopping. 🙂
Infinitize
July 22, 2018 at 8:38 PM
From what I remember in the source material, he does some terrible things such as dragging her with a car, having all her classmates torture her, and instructing other guys to sexually assault her. He WAS awful. They have actually toned him down a bit in this version. I can’t really say that what he did is forgivable, but we do see that he becomes her support and really cherishes her during his character growth.