also I realise I told you guys that I started watching The Untamed and then never followed up because I was so busy with school in Jan/Feb… but omg y’all. I loved it so much, I fell into the biggest slump after it ended. I DON’T FEEL LIKE WATCHING ANYTHING ANYMORE LOL.
YEEEEEEEES I finished the novel and the clq special edition (the new ending. sobs.), and I’m up to date with the donghua as well. Thinking I might go ahead and read the manhua next.
I know how you feel, I started reading fan fic again and now there are twitter fan fics set in modern times.
If you are ready to start another drama, would recommend Someday or One day.
hi beanies! it’s been suuuuuuch a long time. I hope you’ve all been well! just wanted to know if anyone is on top of what’s happening right now with xiao zhan and the whole ao3 issue? i’m so worried about the situation and i don’t have weibo/can’t read mandarin so it’s a bit hard to grasp what exactly is going on :/
At the end of the day when it all boils down, as Xiao Zhan fans—as fans of ANYONE or ANYTHING— the artist is the one who will need to pick up the slack and answer to all the things that us as fans decided to spread on the artist’s behalf, and so, with that said, spread kindness, love, and positivity as much as you can 🤗🤗🤗 Don’t bother paying attention to all the negativity surrounding this situation, don’t engage in any debates (even if it’s for the sake of trying to defend Xiao Zhan), don’t try to clap back when someone says something mean. Anything that we, as Xiao Zhan’s fans, say or do WILL be used out of context and WILL be twisted and used against us and against him no matter how hard we press in trying to keep things civil, so just don’t do it 👌🏻👌🏻
If I am to be honest— damage to Xiao Zhan has already been made and he’s already been hurt in the crossfires his image has already taken a hit 😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰
And as of late last night, my time (so ~ midday China), there already have been news sites and entertainment news blogs that have come out with articles saying that some of the brands that he’s a spokesperson for have already started being boycotted by people 😰😰😰😰😰😰
I concur with Ayan. One issue that comes up concerns dramas that carry over from one year to the next. I think a carryover drama counts as a 2019 bean if a majority of its episodes air in 2019.
For example in my case PSYCHOPATH DIARY will be my last bean for 2019 in that 12 of its 16 episodes will air in 2019.
Last year my final bean was for LIVE which I finished late in December 2018. I went back and amended my bean count by adding one (and awarding it to LIVE of course!)
I’ve been trying to upload my own fancams with no success, but here’s a clip of the Hotel Del Luna medley IU sang in concert in Singapore. Hard to believe that I WITNESSED THIS a week ago 😍
@ndlessjoie@wishfultoki well, I wish you guys had been there with me, because I went alone and I ended up being seated in between two people who didn’t really know what was going on 😂 it was so awkward… there I was… cheering with my whole chest… while the others around me sat dead silent… 😂😂😂
IU’s concert was amazing, she’s such an INCREDIBLE performer! She even sang a medley of Hotel Del Luna OSTs. It was truly a magical 3 and a half hours ✨💕
If you ever get the chance, I highly recommend going! She’s incredible live and she always extends the run time! My ticket said the show would be two hours, but she carried on an extra hour and a half!
OMG YOU GUYS I\’M FINALLY BACK ON DB and let me tell you, I had the WILDEST two weeks… Two Sundays ago I was hospitalised out of nowhere and it turned out that I had appendicitis, so I had to go for surgery to get my appendix removed. The surgery went well, and I’m healing up nicely, but I had to deal with this awful situation of my college basically telling me to go screw myself for getting ill… I missed a submission deadline because of my surgery and they only gave me four days to finish the paper and submit it after I was discharged from the hospital on Thursday afternoon (even though my post-hospitalisation leave technically only ends today!). They also refused to let me reschedule an exam I had last Tuesday (4 days after I got out of the hospital), so I spent basically the first few days back at home just doing ridiculous school stuff. I ended up going for my exam with my bandages and everything. It was the worst. Since then I’ve just been resting and getting back to my normal self.
I’m so glad to be back on here, and I have a LOT to catch up on. I hope everyone’s been well! It’s finally December and Christmas is so close 💖
It’s unbelievable that they demanded that, such jerks! You’re a superhero, sitting for an exam a few days after having surgery! Glad that you’re having a good recovery💪
So sorry to hear you went through the medical emergency. I can’t believe your school was not more understanding about your condition and the situation! I do hope you are recovering well and resting now. Take care and welcome back!
Ahhh Excited to finally see you here again!!! College professors can sadly be very unreasonable at times!!
Wish you the best with regards to your health !!!❤❤
It was frustrating and a big challenge for sure, but I’m glad it’s over and that I’m doing better now. I’m planning on giving feedback to the school about my whole ordeal in the hope that they’ll review the system they have in place and improve it so that other students who face similar problems won’t have to go through what I did!
That aside, I hope you all stay healthy and happy this holiday season 💕
Happy to know you are doing better and also it’s a very smart and thoughtful decision to give feedback. Hopefully it will help save many others from having to go through the same thing!! 💜🖤
@choijunu So glad to know you’re doing better! Like the others here have mentioned, I also hope your school takes your feedback into account and makes the necessary changes. Have a good holiday season also!
Where is everyone right now on the plot of Trumpet Creeper? If I remember correctly, we know from the script that Prince Kyung has the title Daegun (대군) (correct me if I\’m wrong, because it could just be Gun). This means, as we know, that his mother was Queen Consort before her death (murder?).
After the death of the King, it was Jinmichae who ascended the throne as the first-born son of the King (despite being the son of a lower-ranked consort) instead of Kyung.
Prince Kyung believes he has rightful claim to the throne and is using Danoh, the daughter of prominent court official Eun Mooyoung, to gain favour within the court in order to eventually dethrone his half brother and become King.
Haru is Kyung\’s right-hand man (military ranked, but probably not the captain of the guard, since that role would be reserved for one of the King\’s men), who basically does whatever the Prince asks of him.
The big question now: What could Danoh\’s role in the story be beyond being Kyung\’s wife-to-be, and why did that eventually lead her to her death? Can characters die in the Shadow, or did she die as part of her Stage which Haru was trying (but failed) to change?
In Secret, Dan Oh’s character was set to die from a heart disease. Since Flower is a historical manhwa, it’s not surprising if Dan Oh was set to die on stage too. To prevent Kyung from ascending the throne, someone gave the order to kill Dan Oh. Was it Jinmichae to protect the throne or someone else? Maybe the concubine?
Nam Ju’s family business looks like a parallel to the Kyung’s royal family. I’m not sure if it’s just a mere ressemblance because of the manhwa writer’s laziness (LOL) or if it’s a hint. Nam Joo competes with his brother to inherit the family business like Kyung did in Flower.
Maybe the concubine? Jinmichae doesn’t seem like the kind of character to do that, and right now the only antagonists are Kyung and Namju/Jinmichae’s mother.
Jinmichae seems to think it’s the writer’s laziness/lack of creativity that’s responsible for the similar set-ups, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it were really that 😂 It’s interesting to me that in Secret, death is a very visible thing for Danoh, whereas in Flower, it seems to be one of those surprise tragic twists.
I love that little moment when they sit beside each other. And also when she teasingly ‘tattled’ on him to his mom. Writer-nim, I need Kyung to redeem himself soon. Preferably in tomorrow eps.
yesss this week’s moment where they sat on the bench and he could just sit and smile for a while was so good. I need MORE.
and side note but it was interesting to hear Kyung himself say, “you’re all I have” to Danoh because that’s been one of my biggest explanations for his behaviour 😂 I hope the writers are kind for the rest of the drama!
Idk, at this point im rooting for him to go full crazy. Let Jaewookie flex his acting chops! For Kyung redemption, I’ll re-read the webtoon for the nth time 😂😂
Why do I feel like he’s getting webtoon Dohwa’s arc instead? His trying to find out what happened in the sageuk manhwa and possibly learning how much wrong he did to the characters there reminds me of Dohwa learning how he’s connected to Juda’s trauma and how his family wronged hers.
Lol I’ve been rereading the webtoon a lot these past weeks too.
I’m trying to avoid finding out what happened in the manhwa in case it colours my expectations for the drama, so I won’t read this thread yet, but I hope you guys are having a fun discussion 😹😹
so happy even if his love of life has exited his life, he has given to faith, he knows he has no free will, .. lol.. he is so funny and happy version of sombre squid fairy
I loved The Legendary Lackey and The Dirge Singer.
A few other favorites of mine: Adolescence Medley (2013, known as Puberty Medley on Youtube), The True Colors of Kang and Cheol (2012), Let Us Meet (2017).
All of the drama specials I mentioned are among my favourite but if I had to choose a few if would be Brothers’ Summer, The Three Female Runaways, The Legendary Lackey, Forgotten Season, Dreamers and Waltzing Alone. Baek Hee Has Returned is a four episodes drama special with feel good vibes and very entertaining.
Also, now that we\’ve had a proper look at Historical!Haru, I can say for sure that he\’s most definitely not in Joseon clothing. Heck, I don\’t think it\’s Korean clothing, period. (No pun intended 😂)
The sleeves, collar and buttons on his robe are nothing like what we\’ve seen on men from the Silla Kingdom, Goryeo or Joseon. I think Historical!Haru must\’ve been a Korean delegate who had been working in China, who later returned to Korea and fell in love with Historical!Danoh.
Period-wise, I\’m going to guess Silla, rather than Joseon, because Historical!Danoh\’s hair and clothing don\’t quite square with what we\’re used to seeing on unmarried upper class Joseon women (short jeogori, or upper garment, with a full chima, or skirt + a long braid and ribbon) like Goo Haeryung.
Of course, I could be wrong about Silla, but I\’m feeling it more than Goryeo just because we can see here in this scene from Hwarang, Sooyeon\’s outfit has a similar cinched waist and modest sleeve to that of Historical!Danoh\’s.
This is pretty different from the type of outfits we saw Soo dressed in throughout Moon Lovers, which tended to have these beautiful, billowing trumpet sleeves.
I thought it was just straight up Ancient China (although I’m not too familiar with its periods ^^”) but now that you pointed it out, I’m sure it is Silla period.
I would like to give the webtoon Writer the benefit of the doubt and say it may be a mix of Silla and Chinese clothing too 😂😂 But yeahhh we might be getting ahead of ourselves 😂
Waah You’ve done your research!!
I don’t know much about ancient korea but from the little Joseon era dramas that I’ve watched I agree that this doesn’t look Joseon era!
I’m sure it’s set in Korea, but I’m still hoping (for the sake of my love for historical accuracy) that there’s some reasonable explanation for why Haru’s costume is more Chinese than Korean, hahaha 😂😂😂
I’m curious about their background or status in Silla era! I want to believe that she’s a princess, but her outfit lack details if she is the one, but also the fabric looks to fancy to be lowly (or probably the author lack in drawing details). Also if she were a princess, she is most likely to betrothed to her siblings.
As for Haru, he is quite fishy since he doesn’t have surname (I believe so), he could be either from China or maybe mercenary? Hwarang members?
I think the chances of her being a princess are pretty high because the set-up would be very classic: royal princess falls for a man that, as princess, she would never be allowed to marry, and they have to fight for their love until they meet their tragic end (or something like that).
Clothing-wise, one explanation could be that she’s outside palace when she’s not supposed to be, and she’s wearing her “normal people” disguise 😂😂😂
I’m convinced that with Haru, there has to be SOMETHING that explains his Chinese-style hair and outfit. Mercenary is a really good guess, and it could explain his scar—injured in battle maybe?
Thanks for doing the research! I have a theory: it’s not any historical period that we know of, just a fantasy historical world somewhere.
At first the clues pointed towards Joseon, with Sae-mi exclaiming “You must be from Joseon!” when Haru aced the Korean test. However, he looks nothing like a Joseon man (no gat for instance). Moreover, Hangul was not invented until the Joseon period, so Haru would not have been able to read it if he came from Goryeo or before; he’d be familiar with Chinese characters. (Otherwise, he’s a geeeeeenius scholar who picked up Hangul quickly because it’s relatively easier). Sloppy writing by the comic writer? I wouldn’t be surprised.
As far as Dan-oh’s appearance, I thought her hair looked a lot like Hae-Soo in MOON LOVERS, and even Haru’s dark robe reminds me of Wang So. For instance, this image:
Is this a coincidence? Two tragic lovers, one of them a time traveler and a water maid, and the other a prince? It’s also a drama that left us raging and clamoring for a rewrite. Could the comic writer be a scarred Moon Lovers fan? (I jest, but maybe not).
In conclusion, I think your Silla guess is a good one, though I wouldn’t rule out alternative-universe Goryeo or even Baekje, which had considerable trade with China and Japan.
oooh, that’s a great theory too, and it would allow the writer to get away with not being 100% historically accurate 😂😂😂
The language point is a really good one too, and I didn’t think of that before! I think with knowing hangul, that’s something that anyone who entered the Secret world would be able to do since I’m sure every character would be equipped with the most basic functions (common language being one of them?).
In terms of Chinese characters, though, I went back to look at the scene and guess what: there WAS some Hanja involved in that test!
If the writer was an angry Moon Lovers fan… 😂😂😂 (I don’t blame them.) But yes, I think Baekje and Goryeo are most definitely possibilities, because there’s so little we know now and there are overlaps between all these eras. I’m excited to see how it all turns out! We’re getting closer now…
Ooooh sharp eyes! I can’t see very well… are the questions on the test in Hangul and Haru answered using Chinese characters?
I actually like your theory that he’s from ancient China. The bamboo flute playing first struck me as something from a Chinese wuxia anyway. He may be a prince who was held hostage for a long time in China and had just returned to the Korean peninsula… Or he’s actually a Chinese envoy. Forbidden love to the max.
I think the questions are a mixture of hangul and hanja, and seem to mostly require answers in hanja!
He may be a prince who was held hostage for a long time in China and had just returned to the Korean peninsula… Or he’s actually a Chinese envoy. Forbidden love to the max.
Yep, this is exactly what I was thinking! He was living/working in China, returned to Korea and fell in love with Historical!Danoh, who loves in him return against the wishes of her family!
Cool, thank you! I guess we’ll find out soon, hopefully!
Tbh I wasn’t expecting a historical sub-plot in EXTRAORDINARY YOU, but if done well it can give the show more emotional depth (and probably wring tears from us).
Apparently my mind isn’t the only one who jumped to ‘Ancient China’ the moment I saw Haru in that outfit. I thought it was simply because I’ve watched too many c-dramas lately, but you’re right that his outfit really didn’t match any of the usual male outfit from sageuk. But anyway, he looks so mesmerizing. 😍😍
He does 😍 I’m a sucker for period clothing (period anything, tbh) so I’m just waiting for us to get more clear shots of the world in Flower/Trumpet Creeper so I can make Historical!Haru my new dp ❤️
protect lan zhan
March 2, 2020 at 11:20 PM
also I realise I told you guys that I started watching The Untamed and then never followed up because I was so busy with school in Jan/Feb… but omg y’all. I loved it so much, I fell into the biggest slump after it ended. I DON’T FEEL LIKE WATCHING ANYTHING ANYMORE LOL.
bebeswtz❣️Xiao Zhan is my happy virus
March 2, 2020 at 11:33 PM
Watch the Special Edition?? Watch the donghua (essentially, Chinese anime) ?? Read the manga & the novel ?? Lol
Welcome to the fandom and for becoming an Untameable!!! 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
protect lan zhan
March 3, 2020 at 12:35 AM
YEEEEEEEES I finished the novel and the clq special edition (the new ending. sobs.), and I’m up to date with the donghua as well. Thinking I might go ahead and read the manhua next.
hehe thank you for the welcome, I love it here 💘
Ayan
March 3, 2020 at 12:50 AM
I know how you feel, I started reading fan fic again and now there are twitter fan fics set in modern times.
If you are ready to start another drama, would recommend Someday or One day.
protect lan zhan
March 2, 2020 at 11:06 PM
hi beanies! it’s been suuuuuuch a long time. I hope you’ve all been well! just wanted to know if anyone is on top of what’s happening right now with xiao zhan and the whole ao3 issue? i’m so worried about the situation and i don’t have weibo/can’t read mandarin so it’s a bit hard to grasp what exactly is going on :/
bebeswtz❣️Xiao Zhan is my happy virus
March 2, 2020 at 11:40 PM
Here is pretty good , and relatively unbiased (for the most part) explanation of the issue…..
https://youtu.be/y-YuIIhn900
At the end of the day when it all boils down, as Xiao Zhan fans—as fans of ANYONE or ANYTHING— the artist is the one who will need to pick up the slack and answer to all the things that us as fans decided to spread on the artist’s behalf, and so, with that said, spread kindness, love, and positivity as much as you can 🤗🤗🤗 Don’t bother paying attention to all the negativity surrounding this situation, don’t engage in any debates (even if it’s for the sake of trying to defend Xiao Zhan), don’t try to clap back when someone says something mean. Anything that we, as Xiao Zhan’s fans, say or do WILL be used out of context and WILL be twisted and used against us and against him no matter how hard we press in trying to keep things civil, so just don’t do it 👌🏻👌🏻
protect lan zhan
March 3, 2020 at 12:37 AM
thanks for the link! and yes, definitely re: setting the negativity aside and not engaging with it. I just hope no one gets hurt in the crossfire.
bebeswtz❣️Xiao Zhan is my happy virus
March 3, 2020 at 4:12 AM
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bebeswtz❣️Xiao Zhan is my happy virus
March 3, 2020 at 4:25 AM
If I am to be honest— damage to Xiao Zhan has already been made and he’s already been hurt in the crossfires his image has already taken a hit 😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰
And as of late last night, my time (so ~ midday China), there already have been news sites and entertainment news blogs that have come out with articles saying that some of the brands that he’s a spokesperson for have already started being boycotted by people 😰😰😰😰😰😰
MeloMe
March 3, 2020 at 9:23 AM
Good to see you again protect Ian Zhan💜
MeloMe
March 3, 2020 at 9:24 AM
Missed seeing you on the fanwall and in the comment section!! Hope life is a bit less hectic now💜
protect lan zhan
December 29, 2019 at 7:01 PM
You guys I finally started watching The Untamed and I UNDERSTAND… I get it… I’m only on episode 10 but I love WangXian with my whole heart 😍
bebeswtz❣️Xiao Zhan is my happy virus
December 29, 2019 at 7:24 PM
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF BEING AN ‘UNTAMEABLE’ BEANIE
😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏
1tea1
December 29, 2019 at 8:31 PM
Welcome
Infinitize
December 29, 2019 at 9:44 PM
Excellent decision. Welcome aboard!
Ayan
December 30, 2019 at 7:55 AM
Welcome, welcome! Let us know what you think! 🙂
protect lan zhan
December 15, 2019 at 2:29 AM
Asking as a first time Bean Count participant: can we keep collecting 2019 Beans until the end of the year? Or is the tally officially frozen already?
Ayan
December 15, 2019 at 4:35 AM
I think you can still collect beans until the end of the year.
bong-soo
December 15, 2019 at 4:47 AM
I concur with Ayan. One issue that comes up concerns dramas that carry over from one year to the next. I think a carryover drama counts as a 2019 bean if a majority of its episodes air in 2019.
For example in my case PSYCHOPATH DIARY will be my last bean for 2019 in that 12 of its 16 episodes will air in 2019.
Last year my final bean was for LIVE which I finished late in December 2018. I went back and amended my bean count by adding one (and awarding it to LIVE of course!)
protect lan zhan
December 15, 2019 at 6:54 AM
@ayaan @marcusnyc20 awesome, thanks you guys 😚
I’m planning on watching Pegasus Market, Nokdu Flower and Search Query: WWW before they year ends and get in some last minute beans!
bong-soo
December 15, 2019 at 7:11 AM
Great. Go for it!
protect lan zhan
December 14, 2019 at 7:14 AM
I’ve been trying to upload my own fancams with no success, but here’s a clip of the Hotel Del Luna medley IU sang in concert in Singapore. Hard to believe that I WITNESSED THIS a week ago 😍
mugyuljoie
December 14, 2019 at 7:46 AM
I’m more than a little envious.
WishfulToki
December 14, 2019 at 8:32 AM
Same. We might looking a bit green with envy.
protect lan zhan
December 14, 2019 at 9:03 AM
@ndlessjoie @wishfultoki well, I wish you guys had been there with me, because I went alone and I ended up being seated in between two people who didn’t really know what was going on 😂 it was so awkward… there I was… cheering with my whole chest… while the others around me sat dead silent… 😂😂😂
protect lan zhan
December 7, 2019 at 8:28 AM
IU’s concert was amazing, she’s such an INCREDIBLE performer! She even sang a medley of Hotel Del Luna OSTs. It was truly a magical 3 and a half hours ✨💕
KeikoAnn
December 7, 2019 at 8:34 AM
I am jealous! I would love to experience one of her concerts!
protect lan zhan
December 7, 2019 at 8:57 PM
If you ever get the chance, I highly recommend going! She’s incredible live and she always extends the run time! My ticket said the show would be two hours, but she carried on an extra hour and a half!
Mel
December 7, 2019 at 3:28 PM
wow, that sounds awesome! 😍
protect lan zhan
December 7, 2019 at 8:58 PM
It was amazing!! I’ll try to post some of the videos I took 🤩
Mel
December 7, 2019 at 9:18 PM
yes please!
Madkdr
December 7, 2019 at 4:28 PM
Lucky you!!!
protect lan zhan
December 7, 2019 at 8:58 PM
I feel blessed! She was amazing!
protect lan zhan
December 1, 2019 at 9:37 PM
OMG YOU GUYS I\’M FINALLY BACK ON DB and let me tell you, I had the WILDEST two weeks… Two Sundays ago I was hospitalised out of nowhere and it turned out that I had appendicitis, so I had to go for surgery to get my appendix removed. The surgery went well, and I’m healing up nicely, but I had to deal with this awful situation of my college basically telling me to go screw myself for getting ill… I missed a submission deadline because of my surgery and they only gave me four days to finish the paper and submit it after I was discharged from the hospital on Thursday afternoon (even though my post-hospitalisation leave technically only ends today!). They also refused to let me reschedule an exam I had last Tuesday (4 days after I got out of the hospital), so I spent basically the first few days back at home just doing ridiculous school stuff. I ended up going for my exam with my bandages and everything. It was the worst. Since then I’ve just been resting and getting back to my normal self.
I’m so glad to be back on here, and I have a LOT to catch up on. I hope everyone’s been well! It’s finally December and Christmas is so close 💖
Jellybn
December 1, 2019 at 10:02 PM
That’s crazy! I hope your school things get settled well. How they expect you to show up while you are sick is nuts! Hope you recover well, too!🙂
Mel
December 1, 2019 at 10:13 PM
Welcome back! I can’t believe your school didn’t let you rest a bit more! Hope you are doing well now!
Katakwasabi wants a Frodo plushie (the kakao emoji, NOT the hobbit!)
December 1, 2019 at 10:18 PM
I hope your exams/school stuff are settled and you can rest happily now~ 😊
halfmoon
December 1, 2019 at 10:26 PM
Yikes ! Hope you’re recovering well now… Get well soon !
mango
December 1, 2019 at 10:30 PM
That’s crazy! College should be more flexible when it comes to health. Rest well!
Ms. Rabbit 🐇
December 1, 2019 at 10:59 PM
Oh my. Sorry to hear you had a hard 2 weeks. Glad to have you back. Take care.
Fly Colours
December 1, 2019 at 11:07 PM
It’s unbelievable that they demanded that, such jerks! You’re a superhero, sitting for an exam a few days after having surgery! Glad that you’re having a good recovery💪
korfan
December 1, 2019 at 11:18 PM
So sorry to hear you went through the medical emergency. I can’t believe your school was not more understanding about your condition and the situation! I do hope you are recovering well and resting now. Take care and welcome back!
raekaddict
December 2, 2019 at 12:15 AM
get well soon!!!
MeloMe
December 2, 2019 at 6:55 AM
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MeloMe
December 2, 2019 at 6:56 AM
Ahhh Excited to finally see you here again!!! College professors can sadly be very unreasonable at times!!
Wish you the best with regards to your health !!!❤❤
mugyuljoie
December 2, 2019 at 1:05 PM
I hope you have time to rest and make a full recovery.
protect lan zhan
December 4, 2019 at 8:48 AM
thank you @pbnjelly513, @gmelenco, @katakwasabi, @halfmoon, @mango, @msrabbit, @flyingcolours, @korfan, @raekaddict, @bluewaters20, @ndlessjoie everyone for all your well wishes and kind words ♥️
It was frustrating and a big challenge for sure, but I’m glad it’s over and that I’m doing better now. I’m planning on giving feedback to the school about my whole ordeal in the hope that they’ll review the system they have in place and improve it so that other students who face similar problems won’t have to go through what I did!
That aside, I hope you all stay healthy and happy this holiday season 💕
mango
December 4, 2019 at 9:33 AM
I’m glad to know you’re doing better 😀 I hope your school will listen to you for future students well being.
Thank you!
MeloMe
December 4, 2019 at 1:30 PM
Happy to know you are doing better and also it’s a very smart and thoughtful decision to give feedback. Hopefully it will help save many others from having to go through the same thing!! 💜🖤
korfan
December 4, 2019 at 5:56 PM
@choijunu So glad to know you’re doing better! Like the others here have mentioned, I also hope your school takes your feedback into account and makes the necessary changes. Have a good holiday season also!
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 6:30 PM
Where is everyone right now on the plot of Trumpet Creeper? If I remember correctly, we know from the script that Prince Kyung has the title Daegun (대군) (correct me if I\’m wrong, because it could just be Gun). This means, as we know, that his mother was Queen Consort before her death (murder?).
After the death of the King, it was Jinmichae who ascended the throne as the first-born son of the King (despite being the son of a lower-ranked consort) instead of Kyung.
Prince Kyung believes he has rightful claim to the throne and is using Danoh, the daughter of prominent court official Eun Mooyoung, to gain favour within the court in order to eventually dethrone his half brother and become King.
Haru is Kyung\’s right-hand man (military ranked, but probably not the captain of the guard, since that role would be reserved for one of the King\’s men), who basically does whatever the Prince asks of him.
The big question now: What could Danoh\’s role in the story be beyond being Kyung\’s wife-to-be, and why did that eventually lead her to her death? Can characters die in the Shadow, or did she die as part of her Stage which Haru was trying (but failed) to change?
mango
November 8, 2019 at 5:57 AM
In Secret, Dan Oh’s character was set to die from a heart disease. Since Flower is a historical manhwa, it’s not surprising if Dan Oh was set to die on stage too. To prevent Kyung from ascending the throne, someone gave the order to kill Dan Oh. Was it Jinmichae to protect the throne or someone else? Maybe the concubine?
Nam Ju’s family business looks like a parallel to the Kyung’s royal family. I’m not sure if it’s just a mere ressemblance because of the manhwa writer’s laziness (LOL) or if it’s a hint. Nam Joo competes with his brother to inherit the family business like Kyung did in Flower.
protect lan zhan
November 9, 2019 at 4:55 AM
Maybe the concubine? Jinmichae doesn’t seem like the kind of character to do that, and right now the only antagonists are Kyung and Namju/Jinmichae’s mother.
Jinmichae seems to think it’s the writer’s laziness/lack of creativity that’s responsible for the similar set-ups, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it were really that 😂 It’s interesting to me that in Secret, death is a very visible thing for Danoh, whereas in Flower, it seems to be one of those surprise tragic twists.
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 5:38 PM
Dohwa continues to be a scene stealer for me. This violin running joke is meta comedy GOLD.
mango
November 8, 2019 at 5:59 AM
Dohwa x Violin is the greatest ship HAHA
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 5:35 PM
LOL, can we get a whole sub-series full of grumpy HaruKyung moments? 😂 #ExtraordinaryShip
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 8:13 AM
These beautiful shots are making my heart explode ♥️
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 8:14 AM
Not to mention that heart-stopping kiss 😍 Consider me a melted puddle.
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 8:18 AM
How many times can I rewatch this scene before it becomes too many…
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 8:11 AM
These writers know exactly how to make me feel all warm and fuzzy.
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 2:57 AM
@extraordinary writers, WHEN will you let Kyung redeem himself?! I\’m on here every week defending him like an idiot, have some compassion.
azzo
November 7, 2019 at 3:04 AM
I really hope soon, by next episode, at least hints of redemption! I liked that little Dan-oh/Baek Kyung moment so maybe!
gadis | Hi Bye, Oppa(s)! 👪👻-👨⚕️👩⚕️
November 7, 2019 at 3:34 AM
I love that little moment when they sit beside each other. And also when she teasingly ‘tattled’ on him to his mom. Writer-nim, I need Kyung to redeem himself soon. Preferably in tomorrow eps.
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 7:09 AM
yesss this week’s moment where they sat on the bench and he could just sit and smile for a while was so good. I need MORE.
and side note but it was interesting to hear Kyung himself say, “you’re all I have” to Danoh because that’s been one of my biggest explanations for his behaviour 😂 I hope the writers are kind for the rest of the drama!
dokutokunaneko
November 7, 2019 at 4:38 AM
Idk, at this point im rooting for him to go full crazy. Let Jaewookie flex his acting chops! For Kyung redemption, I’ll re-read the webtoon for the nth time 😂😂
anonymous
November 7, 2019 at 5:25 AM
Why do I feel like he’s getting webtoon Dohwa’s arc instead? His trying to find out what happened in the sageuk manhwa and possibly learning how much wrong he did to the characters there reminds me of Dohwa learning how he’s connected to Juda’s trauma and how his family wronged hers.
Lol I’ve been rereading the webtoon a lot these past weeks too.
alasecond
November 7, 2019 at 5:52 AM
agree. same thought.. drama has put all “Drama” in this extra love triangle..
main love triangle has become about showing candy being truly an awesome strong lady and second lead getting his happy ending
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 7:07 AM
I’m trying to avoid finding out what happened in the manhwa in case it colours my expectations for the drama, so I won’t read this thread yet, but I hope you guys are having a fun discussion 😹😹
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 2:53 AM
IS IT JUST ME OR WAS ROSWOON EXTRA SWOONY TODAY???
Also Dohwa is literally me, LOL.
beesgiggle
November 7, 2019 at 3:15 AM
HAHAHAHA DO HWA
alasecond
November 7, 2019 at 5:53 AM
look at DH.. man should be like that..
so happy even if his love of life has exited his life, he has given to faith, he knows he has no free will, .. lol.. he is so funny and happy version of sombre squid fairy
protect lan zhan
November 5, 2019 at 4:47 AM
hi beanies!! how is everyone? daily life is kind of keeping me away from db at the moment. I miss being on here 🙁
while I remember—does anyone have kbs drama special recs?
parkchuna
November 5, 2019 at 8:04 AM
2018 ones – Review notebook of my embarrasing days, The long goodbye.
mango
November 5, 2019 at 10:18 AM
I hope you will soon find time to hang out on db!
Here’s a list of drama specials per year:
2014 – The Three Female Runaways, We All Cry Differently, You’re Pretty Oh Manbok, The Dirge Singer, Youth, Middle School Student A, Bride in Sneakers
2015 – What is the Ghost Up To?, Live Shock, The Brothers’ Summer, Avici
2016 – The Legendary Lackey, Explicit Innocence,Summer Dream
2017 – Waltzing Alone, Buzzcut Love, The Last Week of Madam Jung , If We Were a Season, Bad Families
2018 – Forgotten Season, Dreamers, So Close Yet So Far, Too Bright for Romance
WishfulToki
November 5, 2019 at 11:28 AM
I loved The Legendary Lackey and The Dirge Singer.
A few other favorites of mine: Adolescence Medley (2013, known as Puberty Medley on Youtube), The True Colors of Kang and Cheol (2012), Let Us Meet (2017).
mango
November 5, 2019 at 1:42 PM
Adolescence Medley of course! I forgot to mention it. Let Us Meet was all kind of cute. I haven’t watched The True Colors of Kang and Cheol yet.
WishfulToki
November 7, 2019 at 6:59 AM
True Colors is fun! I think it’s 4 episodes long, so it feels more like a mini drama.
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 2:54 AM
thanks for the recs, I’ll check them out once I’m on christmas break ♡♡♡
parkchuna
November 7, 2019 at 4:22 AM
oooh i really liked if we were a season, also just saw Bride in Sneakers last week
protect lan zhan
November 7, 2019 at 2:54 AM
thank you @mango ♡
do you have any particular favourites?
mango
November 7, 2019 at 5:52 AM
All of the drama specials I mentioned are among my favourite but if I had to choose a few if would be Brothers’ Summer, The Three Female Runaways, The Legendary Lackey, Forgotten Season, Dreamers and Waltzing Alone. Baek Hee Has Returned is a four episodes drama special with feel good vibes and very entertaining.
protect lan zhan
October 31, 2019 at 7:04 PM
@lindag the way you were absolutely on the money with the Joker… amazing!!!
protect lan zhan
October 29, 2019 at 7:39 AM
OMG @saner @bluewaters20 @gadis @wishfultoki HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THE PICS OF LWE JAEWOOK DRESSED IN HISTORICAL CLOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
protect lan zhan
October 29, 2019 at 7:40 AM
LEE JAEWOOK MY BAD IM JIST SO EXCITED??
WishfulToki
October 29, 2019 at 7:45 AM
Nope, but I can imagine he looks stunning.
alasecond
October 29, 2019 at 7:52 AM
its posted on dramabeans.. just scroll through pages..
speculatin being.. he was in flower too
WishfulToki
October 29, 2019 at 8:08 AM
Thanks but I’m waiting for Wednesday. I was kind of expecting him to show up in Flower though, the way things are going.
protect lan zhan
October 29, 2019 at 8:55 AM
An understatement, 100%.
azzo
October 29, 2019 at 9:29 AM
OMG!!!
I posted about this today saying that I think he was in Flower, too! This means I’m right! 😨
protect lan zhan
October 29, 2019 at 8:29 PM
I’m so happy that you are!!!!
theTINYL
October 29, 2019 at 10:01 AM
WHERE?!!!
protect lan zhan
October 29, 2019 at 8:28 PM
https://twitter.com/netizendrama/status/1189149902204477440?s=21
his outfit gives away who he is in the historical era, tho, so beware of spoilery stuff!
MeloMe
October 29, 2019 at 11:04 AM
Omg yess I did😆😆
MeloMe
October 29, 2019 at 11:16 AM
I think this week we are going to spend more time in the past- no in the flower manhwa (😂) and I can’t wait😆
protect lan zhan
October 29, 2019 at 8:28 PM
SAME and oh my he looked so handsome
Saner
November 4, 2019 at 7:00 AM
I tried so hard to like this twice 😭😭
Those sculpted brows…were made for such a time as this!
protect lan zhan
October 27, 2019 at 8:07 PM
oof, I’m so close to such lovely even numbers!
protect lan zhan
October 26, 2019 at 1:50 AM
Also, now that we\’ve had a proper look at Historical!Haru, I can say for sure that he\’s most definitely not in Joseon clothing. Heck, I don\’t think it\’s Korean clothing, period. (No pun intended 😂)
The sleeves, collar and buttons on his robe are nothing like what we\’ve seen on men from the Silla Kingdom, Goryeo or Joseon. I think Historical!Haru must\’ve been a Korean delegate who had been working in China, who later returned to Korea and fell in love with Historical!Danoh.
Period-wise, I\’m going to guess Silla, rather than Joseon, because Historical!Danoh\’s hair and clothing don\’t quite square with what we\’re used to seeing on unmarried upper class Joseon women (short jeogori, or upper garment, with a full chima, or skirt + a long braid and ribbon) like Goo Haeryung.
Of course, I could be wrong about Silla, but I\’m feeling it more than Goryeo just because we can see here in this scene from Hwarang, Sooyeon\’s outfit has a similar cinched waist and modest sleeve to that of Historical!Danoh\’s.
This is pretty different from the type of outfits we saw Soo dressed in throughout Moon Lovers, which tended to have these beautiful, billowing trumpet sleeves.
Thoughts?
chasingbears
October 26, 2019 at 5:27 AM
I thought it was just straight up Ancient China (although I’m not too familiar with its periods ^^”) but now that you pointed it out, I’m sure it is Silla period.
protect lan zhan
October 27, 2019 at 6:57 PM
I thought Ancient China too ‘cos of Haru’s clothing! I still think it could be both, but I could also be overthinking this majorly 😂
chasingbears
October 28, 2019 at 12:47 AM
I would like to give the webtoon Writer the benefit of the doubt and say it may be a mix of Silla and Chinese clothing too 😂😂 But yeahhh we might be getting ahead of ourselves 😂
MeloMe
October 26, 2019 at 5:41 AM
Waah You’ve done your research!!
I don’t know much about ancient korea but from the little Joseon era dramas that I’ve watched I agree that this doesn’t look Joseon era!
protect lan zhan
October 27, 2019 at 6:58 PM
yeaaaah, Joseon had a lot of pretty fixed rules/customs re: clothing, so it’s safe to say it’s not Joseon!
wapz
October 26, 2019 at 6:26 AM
I think it’s Silla, the webtoon writer in the drama isn’t that detailed to take it to China 😂
protect lan zhan
October 27, 2019 at 6:59 PM
I’m sure it’s set in Korea, but I’m still hoping (for the sake of my love for historical accuracy) that there’s some reasonable explanation for why Haru’s costume is more Chinese than Korean, hahaha 😂😂😂
therevels
October 26, 2019 at 7:30 AM
I’m curious about their background or status in Silla era! I want to believe that she’s a princess, but her outfit lack details if she is the one, but also the fabric looks to fancy to be lowly (or probably the author lack in drawing details). Also if she were a princess, she is most likely to betrothed to her siblings.
As for Haru, he is quite fishy since he doesn’t have surname (I believe so), he could be either from China or maybe mercenary? Hwarang members?
protect lan zhan
October 27, 2019 at 7:04 PM
I think the chances of her being a princess are pretty high because the set-up would be very classic: royal princess falls for a man that, as princess, she would never be allowed to marry, and they have to fight for their love until they meet their tragic end (or something like that).
Clothing-wise, one explanation could be that she’s outside palace when she’s not supposed to be, and she’s wearing her “normal people” disguise 😂😂😂
I’m convinced that with Haru, there has to be SOMETHING that explains his Chinese-style hair and outfit. Mercenary is a really good guess, and it could explain his scar—injured in battle maybe?
WishfulToki
October 26, 2019 at 7:26 PM
Thanks for doing the research! I have a theory: it’s not any historical period that we know of, just a fantasy historical world somewhere.
At first the clues pointed towards Joseon, with Sae-mi exclaiming “You must be from Joseon!” when Haru aced the Korean test. However, he looks nothing like a Joseon man (no gat for instance). Moreover, Hangul was not invented until the Joseon period, so Haru would not have been able to read it if he came from Goryeo or before; he’d be familiar with Chinese characters. (Otherwise, he’s a geeeeeenius scholar who picked up Hangul quickly because it’s relatively easier). Sloppy writing by the comic writer? I wouldn’t be surprised.
As far as Dan-oh’s appearance, I thought her hair looked a lot like Hae-Soo in MOON LOVERS, and even Haru’s dark robe reminds me of Wang So. For instance, this image:
Is this a coincidence? Two tragic lovers, one of them a time traveler and a water maid, and the other a prince? It’s also a drama that left us raging and clamoring for a rewrite. Could the comic writer be a scarred Moon Lovers fan? (I jest, but maybe not).
In conclusion, I think your Silla guess is a good one, though I wouldn’t rule out alternative-universe Goryeo or even Baekje, which had considerable trade with China and Japan.
protect lan zhan
October 27, 2019 at 7:13 PM
oooh, that’s a great theory too, and it would allow the writer to get away with not being 100% historically accurate 😂😂😂
The language point is a really good one too, and I didn’t think of that before! I think with knowing hangul, that’s something that anyone who entered the Secret world would be able to do since I’m sure every character would be equipped with the most basic functions (common language being one of them?).
In terms of Chinese characters, though, I went back to look at the scene and guess what: there WAS some Hanja involved in that test!
If the writer was an angry Moon Lovers fan… 😂😂😂 (I don’t blame them.) But yes, I think Baekje and Goryeo are most definitely possibilities, because there’s so little we know now and there are overlaps between all these eras. I’m excited to see how it all turns out! We’re getting closer now…
WishfulToki
October 27, 2019 at 7:37 PM
Ooooh sharp eyes! I can’t see very well… are the questions on the test in Hangul and Haru answered using Chinese characters?
I actually like your theory that he’s from ancient China. The bamboo flute playing first struck me as something from a Chinese wuxia anyway. He may be a prince who was held hostage for a long time in China and had just returned to the Korean peninsula… Or he’s actually a Chinese envoy. Forbidden love to the max.
protect lan zhan
October 27, 2019 at 8:06 PM
You can see it a bit better here:
I think the questions are a mixture of hangul and hanja, and seem to mostly require answers in hanja!
Yep, this is exactly what I was thinking! He was living/working in China, returned to Korea and fell in love with Historical!Danoh, who loves in him return against the wishes of her family!
WishfulToki
October 27, 2019 at 8:30 PM
Cool, thank you! I guess we’ll find out soon, hopefully!
Tbh I wasn’t expecting a historical sub-plot in EXTRAORDINARY YOU, but if done well it can give the show more emotional depth (and probably wring tears from us).
gadis | Hi Bye, Oppa(s)! 👪👻-👨⚕️👩⚕️
October 27, 2019 at 3:38 PM
Apparently my mind isn’t the only one who jumped to ‘Ancient China’ the moment I saw Haru in that outfit. I thought it was simply because I’ve watched too many c-dramas lately, but you’re right that his outfit really didn’t match any of the usual male outfit from sageuk. But anyway, he looks so mesmerizing. 😍😍
protect lan zhan
October 27, 2019 at 7:15 PM
He does 😍 I’m a sucker for period clothing (period anything, tbh) so I’m just waiting for us to get more clear shots of the world in Flower/Trumpet Creeper so I can make Historical!Haru my new dp ❤️
protect lan zhan
October 26, 2019 at 12:43 AM
His little she\’s on my mind whisper 😍