Where is everyone right now on the plot of Trumpet Creeper? If I remember correctly, we know from the script that Prince Kyung has the title Daegun (대군) (correct me if I’m wrong, because it could just be Gun). This means, as we know, that his mother was Queen Consort before her death (murder?).
After the death of the King, it was Jinmichae who ascended the throne as the first-born son of the King (despite being the son of a lower-ranked consort) instead of Kyung.
Prince Kyung believes he has rightful claim to the throne and is using Danoh, the daughter of prominent court official Eun Mooyoung, to gain favour within the court in order to eventually dethrone his half brother and become King.
Haru is Kyung’s right-hand man (military ranked, but probably not the captain of the guard, since that role would be reserved for one of the King’s men), who basically does whatever the Prince asks of him.
The big question now: What could Danoh’s role in the story be beyond being Kyung’s wife-to-be, and why did that eventually lead her to her death? Can characters die in the Shadow, or did she die as part of her Stage which Haru was trying (but failed) to change?
In Secret, Dan Oh’s character was set to die from a heart disease. Since Flower is a historical manhwa, it’s not surprising if Dan Oh was set to die on stage too. To prevent Kyung from ascending the throne, someone gave the order to kill Dan Oh. Was it Jinmichae to protect the throne or someone else? Maybe the concubine?
Nam Ju’s family business looks like a parallel to the Kyung’s royal family. I’m not sure if it’s just a mere ressemblance because of the manhwa writer’s laziness (LOL) or if it’s a hint. Nam Joo competes with his brother to inherit the family business like Kyung did in Flower.
Maybe the concubine? Jinmichae doesn’t seem like the kind of character to do that, and right now the only antagonists are Kyung and Namju/Jinmichae’s mother.
Jinmichae seems to think it’s the writer’s laziness/lack of creativity that’s responsible for the similar set-ups, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it were really that 😂 It’s interesting to me that in Secret, death is a very visible thing for Danoh, whereas in Flower, it seems to be one of those surprise tragic twists.
I love that little moment when they sit beside each other. And also when she teasingly ‘tattled’ on him to his mom. Writer-nim, I need Kyung to redeem himself soon. Preferably in tomorrow eps.
yesss this week’s moment where they sat on the bench and he could just sit and smile for a while was so good. I need MORE.
and side note but it was interesting to hear Kyung himself say, “you’re all I have” to Danoh because that’s been one of my biggest explanations for his behaviour 😂 I hope the writers are kind for the rest of the drama!
Idk, at this point im rooting for him to go full crazy. Let Jaewookie flex his acting chops! For Kyung redemption, I’ll re-read the webtoon for the nth time 😂😂
Why do I feel like he’s getting webtoon Dohwa’s arc instead? His trying to find out what happened in the sageuk manhwa and possibly learning how much wrong he did to the characters there reminds me of Dohwa learning how he’s connected to Juda’s trauma and how his family wronged hers.
Lol I’ve been rereading the webtoon a lot these past weeks too.
I’m trying to avoid finding out what happened in the manhwa in case it colours my expectations for the drama, so I won’t read this thread yet, but I hope you guys are having a fun discussion 😹😹
so happy even if his love of life has exited his life, he has given to faith, he knows he has no free will, .. lol.. he is so funny and happy version of sombre squid fairy
I loved The Legendary Lackey and The Dirge Singer.
A few other favorites of mine: Adolescence Medley (2013, known as Puberty Medley on Youtube), The True Colors of Kang and Cheol (2012), Let Us Meet (2017).
All of the drama specials I mentioned are among my favourite but if I had to choose a few if would be Brothers’ Summer, The Three Female Runaways, The Legendary Lackey, Forgotten Season, Dreamers and Waltzing Alone. Baek Hee Has Returned is a four episodes drama special with feel good vibes and very entertaining.
Also, now that we\’ve had a proper look at Historical!Haru, I can say for sure that he\’s most definitely not in Joseon clothing. Heck, I don\’t think it\’s Korean clothing, period. (No pun intended 😂)
The sleeves, collar and buttons on his robe are nothing like what we\’ve seen on men from the Silla Kingdom, Goryeo or Joseon. I think Historical!Haru must\’ve been a Korean delegate who had been working in China, who later returned to Korea and fell in love with Historical!Danoh.
Period-wise, I\’m going to guess Silla, rather than Joseon, because Historical!Danoh\’s hair and clothing don\’t quite square with what we\’re used to seeing on unmarried upper class Joseon women (short jeogori, or upper garment, with a full chima, or skirt + a long braid and ribbon) like Goo Haeryung.
Of course, I could be wrong about Silla, but I\’m feeling it more than Goryeo just because we can see here in this scene from Hwarang, Sooyeon\’s outfit has a similar cinched waist and modest sleeve to that of Historical!Danoh\’s.
This is pretty different from the type of outfits we saw Soo dressed in throughout Moon Lovers, which tended to have these beautiful, billowing trumpet sleeves.
I thought it was just straight up Ancient China (although I’m not too familiar with its periods ^^”) but now that you pointed it out, I’m sure it is Silla period.
I would like to give the webtoon Writer the benefit of the doubt and say it may be a mix of Silla and Chinese clothing too 😂😂 But yeahhh we might be getting ahead of ourselves 😂
Waah You’ve done your research!!
I don’t know much about ancient korea but from the little Joseon era dramas that I’ve watched I agree that this doesn’t look Joseon era!
I’m sure it’s set in Korea, but I’m still hoping (for the sake of my love for historical accuracy) that there’s some reasonable explanation for why Haru’s costume is more Chinese than Korean, hahaha 😂😂😂
I’m curious about their background or status in Silla era! I want to believe that she’s a princess, but her outfit lack details if she is the one, but also the fabric looks to fancy to be lowly (or probably the author lack in drawing details). Also if she were a princess, she is most likely to betrothed to her siblings.
As for Haru, he is quite fishy since he doesn’t have surname (I believe so), he could be either from China or maybe mercenary? Hwarang members?
I think the chances of her being a princess are pretty high because the set-up would be very classic: royal princess falls for a man that, as princess, she would never be allowed to marry, and they have to fight for their love until they meet their tragic end (or something like that).
Clothing-wise, one explanation could be that she’s outside palace when she’s not supposed to be, and she’s wearing her “normal people” disguise 😂😂😂
I’m convinced that with Haru, there has to be SOMETHING that explains his Chinese-style hair and outfit. Mercenary is a really good guess, and it could explain his scar—injured in battle maybe?
Thanks for doing the research! I have a theory: it’s not any historical period that we know of, just a fantasy historical world somewhere.
At first the clues pointed towards Joseon, with Sae-mi exclaiming “You must be from Joseon!” when Haru aced the Korean test. However, he looks nothing like a Joseon man (no gat for instance). Moreover, Hangul was not invented until the Joseon period, so Haru would not have been able to read it if he came from Goryeo or before; he’d be familiar with Chinese characters. (Otherwise, he’s a geeeeeenius scholar who picked up Hangul quickly because it’s relatively easier). Sloppy writing by the comic writer? I wouldn’t be surprised.
As far as Dan-oh’s appearance, I thought her hair looked a lot like Hae-Soo in MOON LOVERS, and even Haru’s dark robe reminds me of Wang So. For instance, this image:
Is this a coincidence? Two tragic lovers, one of them a time traveler and a water maid, and the other a prince? It’s also a drama that left us raging and clamoring for a rewrite. Could the comic writer be a scarred Moon Lovers fan? (I jest, but maybe not).
In conclusion, I think your Silla guess is a good one, though I wouldn’t rule out alternative-universe Goryeo or even Baekje, which had considerable trade with China and Japan.
oooh, that’s a great theory too, and it would allow the writer to get away with not being 100% historically accurate 😂😂😂
The language point is a really good one too, and I didn’t think of that before! I think with knowing hangul, that’s something that anyone who entered the Secret world would be able to do since I’m sure every character would be equipped with the most basic functions (common language being one of them?).
In terms of Chinese characters, though, I went back to look at the scene and guess what: there WAS some Hanja involved in that test!
If the writer was an angry Moon Lovers fan… 😂😂😂 (I don’t blame them.) But yes, I think Baekje and Goryeo are most definitely possibilities, because there’s so little we know now and there are overlaps between all these eras. I’m excited to see how it all turns out! We’re getting closer now…
Ooooh sharp eyes! I can’t see very well… are the questions on the test in Hangul and Haru answered using Chinese characters?
I actually like your theory that he’s from ancient China. The bamboo flute playing first struck me as something from a Chinese wuxia anyway. He may be a prince who was held hostage for a long time in China and had just returned to the Korean peninsula… Or he’s actually a Chinese envoy. Forbidden love to the max.
I think the questions are a mixture of hangul and hanja, and seem to mostly require answers in hanja!
He may be a prince who was held hostage for a long time in China and had just returned to the Korean peninsula… Or he’s actually a Chinese envoy. Forbidden love to the max.
Yep, this is exactly what I was thinking! He was living/working in China, returned to Korea and fell in love with Historical!Danoh, who loves in him return against the wishes of her family!
Cool, thank you! I guess we’ll find out soon, hopefully!
Tbh I wasn’t expecting a historical sub-plot in EXTRAORDINARY YOU, but if done well it can give the show more emotional depth (and probably wring tears from us).
Apparently my mind isn’t the only one who jumped to ‘Ancient China’ the moment I saw Haru in that outfit. I thought it was simply because I’ve watched too many c-dramas lately, but you’re right that his outfit really didn’t match any of the usual male outfit from sageuk. But anyway, he looks so mesmerizing. 😍😍
He does 😍 I’m a sucker for period clothing (period anything, tbh) so I’m just waiting for us to get more clear shots of the world in Flower/Trumpet Creeper so I can make Historical!Haru my new dp ❤️
Once again, I am avoiding the Beanies tab for fear of Extraordinary spoilers (only had time for Camellia today) but I hope everyone has a good restful start to the weekend today ♥️
I’m looking forward to waking up tomorrow, making some toast and blessing my Saturday morning with some Roswoon 😍
I watched some of my favourite clips earlier today while I was commuting and they just reminded me of how much I actually loved watching the drama every week.
Extraordinary You Ep 7: Seeing Danoh so distraught was heartbreaking. Poor girl! I don’t blame her though. One minute you have Roswoon smiling at you and holding your hand, and the next minute he vanishes into thin air. And then he comes back but instead of directing his swoon-worthy smile at you, he’s giving it to BAEK KYUNG instead? The audacity… (jk)
I’m a Kyung apologist (I know, I KNOW, bear with me) and I’m still holding on to the hope that he will stop with the uncalled for abrasiveness. Like I mentioned in some comments, I think that he’s become so used to lashing out on the stage, that his angry/bad boy/jerk persona has become a kind of second nature that he has to “unlearn” as he spends more time ‘awake’ in the shadow.
It’s also possible that he relies on whatever deep-rooted anger he’s used to feeling because of how much his own set-up makes him angry/upset. He mentioned several times in the episode how wrong it is to him that him and Danoh are just being used by their parents, and I’m sure that the reveal that his mother’s death was just a device to give his character a typical “unfortunate past” must have been absolutely awful for him.
Plus, unlike Danoh/Dohwa/pre-disappearance Haru, who all had some kind of orientation/initiation when they became self-aware—someone to talk them through what was happening/how everything worked—Kyung largely had to figure it out on his own, and may still be finding his feet/deciding what to do now that he has this self-awareness. Again, none of this justifies his bad behaviour! I guess I just feel more willing to sympathise with him this way.
Also I haven’t watched anything from Ep 8 or seen any behind the scenes stuff, but Historical Haru and Danoh didn’t actually look like they were in Joseon, judging by Haru‘s hairstyle and clothing. They look a lot more like the kind of topknot and high collared garment worn in China during the Ming dynasty.
The way they’re dressed in the sageuk manhwa actually reminded me of Hwarang, so I think they’re from the Shilla Dynasty(i’m not a korean history expert..)?
I thought of Shilla too, but Haru’s topknot is actually not (to my knowledge) typical of how an unmarried Shilla man would’ve worn his hair (long, half up, half down). It looks more similar to this hairstyle (top left): https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bd59614904a3e62fbdf429c4ec55e7de
But then again, I’m hardly an expert either and could be totally wrong too 😂
Ok so many people have been wondering why Do Hwa’s personality is the same in the shadow as on stage while Dan Oh’s deviates a lot and like I mentioned in the recap this is totally explainable by Gadis’s theory that characters who are main/supporting have had a more vigorous character development so they have little power however extra characters like Dan Oh and pre-Haru have little (or none in the case of Haru) pre-set personality so they can experience and decide what they truly like for themselves. I think, this explains the best why Baek Kyung is still a jerk even in the shadow and even when he’s aware now!
Honestly I totally expected that Baek Kyung will have a redemption arc and that he’ll actually be nice or “not a jerk” when he’s aware thus making it difficult for us as the viewers to choose between Haru and him and so I am pleasantly surprised that the writer (of the drama 😂) is taking a different route!
Yup, this makes a lot of sense. I wrote in another comment on the most recent recap posted that characters like Danoh and Haru have the freedom to kind of do whatever they want and go wherever they want, i.e. Haru can go to the movies, Danoh can go shopping with Saemi, etc. Kyung and Dohwa, on the other hand, basically do nothing beyond the little bubbles the writer has created for them. I mean, the two of them are (were? sorry Dohwa 😂) supposedly members of A3 together, but we never see them hanging out with each other just for fun, save from those throwaway scenes where they just sat down together, not really actually talking/being friends. They live very one-dimensional lives, so it’s probably a lot harder for them to break out of those moulds.
Camellia Ep 11: I don’t think whoever Hyangmi was talking to in the dark alley was Heungshik. She called him ahjusshi, and when I went back to Ep 3 to check, she called Heungshik by his given name. I’ve seen a few people pitch the idea of co-perpetrators or accomplices, which is definitely plausible. Heungsik could be the underling of whoever Joker actually is.
This could be a reach but might he even have been the person who set off the sprinklers when Dongbaek was in danger? Could it be that he knew Joker planned to murder the aesthetician (maybe they planned it together) but later heard that Dongbaek had gone to the parlour with her, and decided to stop Joker from making a kill that wasn’t planned in case anything went wrong and put their identities at risk?
That could be. Which husband was it that lent HM money and the wife got mad when she found out about it? We never did find out what that was all about.
That was one of the ahjummas’ husband. I don’t think we met him yet. I have a feeling the real culprit is someone we already know though. Otherwise, the show won’t be able to give us that ah-hah! moment. 😉
I want to think it’s someone we know, too, but then again, the killer seems to be one of the older men in Ongsan (going off how Hyangmi called him ahjusshi), none of whom we know that well other than Gyutae and Chief Byun. We know it’s not Gyutae because Dongbaek would never welcome him into Camellia or offer him peanuts on the house. Gyutae and the Chief are also prominent in the neighbourhood, and wouldn’t be able to get away with skulking around in alleyways at night, since they would be recognised immediately and be called by name.
Based on those points, I think it’s more likely to be someone whom we might recognise if he passed by, but someone without any prominent screentime or focus yet.
I think she borrowed money from the husband of the ahjumma who sells rices cakes (played by Kim Mihwa) to pay off whatever debt she owes to that thug Nakho (having not watched ep 12 yet, I don’t think the show has gone into detail about what exactly she needs all that money for).
This scene was exactly what I needed to see yesterday. I came home from work feeling really blue and down on myself – just because I’m that way at times. And even though I wasn’t sure I wanted to even watch a drama I turned on Camelia and saw this.
Then my night was instantly better!!!!!
He was just so badass wasn’t he?
Aw, I’m sorry that you felt that way after work, but I’m so glad you felt better after watching this GOLDEN scene!!! He was badass but still his wonderful adorkable self at the same time. Love ❤️
Well each day is a new one isn’t it?
The other part I liked was how excited he was when Pil Gu said his friends wanted to see him and he was excited thinking it was because he was a cop. Then his face when Pil Gu said, no they wanted to see the drone. But he rose to the occasion like the loving person he is.
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 6:30 PM
Where is everyone right now on the plot of Trumpet Creeper? If I remember correctly, we know from the script that Prince Kyung has the title Daegun (대군) (correct me if I’m wrong, because it could just be Gun). This means, as we know, that his mother was Queen Consort before her death (murder?).
After the death of the King, it was Jinmichae who ascended the throne as the first-born son of the King (despite being the son of a lower-ranked consort) instead of Kyung.
Prince Kyung believes he has rightful claim to the throne and is using Danoh, the daughter of prominent court official Eun Mooyoung, to gain favour within the court in order to eventually dethrone his half brother and become King.
Haru is Kyung’s right-hand man (military ranked, but probably not the captain of the guard, since that role would be reserved for one of the King’s men), who basically does whatever the Prince asks of him.
The big question now: What could Danoh’s role in the story be beyond being Kyung’s wife-to-be, and why did that eventually lead her to her death? Can characters die in the Shadow, or did she die as part of her Stage which Haru was trying (but failed) to change?
mango
November 8, 2019 at 5:57 AM
In Secret, Dan Oh’s character was set to die from a heart disease. Since Flower is a historical manhwa, it’s not surprising if Dan Oh was set to die on stage too. To prevent Kyung from ascending the throne, someone gave the order to kill Dan Oh. Was it Jinmichae to protect the throne or someone else? Maybe the concubine?
Nam Ju’s family business looks like a parallel to the Kyung’s royal family. I’m not sure if it’s just a mere ressemblance because of the manhwa writer’s laziness (LOL) or if it’s a hint. Nam Joo competes with his brother to inherit the family business like Kyung did in Flower.
protect haru
November 9, 2019 at 4:55 AM
Maybe the concubine? Jinmichae doesn’t seem like the kind of character to do that, and right now the only antagonists are Kyung and Namju/Jinmichae’s mother.
Jinmichae seems to think it’s the writer’s laziness/lack of creativity that’s responsible for the similar set-ups, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it were really that 😂 It’s interesting to me that in Secret, death is a very visible thing for Danoh, whereas in Flower, it seems to be one of those surprise tragic twists.
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 5:38 PM
Dohwa continues to be a scene stealer for me. This violin running joke is meta comedy GOLD.
mango
November 8, 2019 at 5:59 AM
Dohwa x Violin is the greatest ship HAHA
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 5:35 PM
LOL, can we get a whole sub-series full of grumpy HaruKyung moments? 😂 #ExtraordinaryShip
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 8:13 AM
These beautiful shots are making my heart explode ♥️
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 8:14 AM
Not to mention that heart-stopping kiss 😍 Consider me a melted puddle.
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 8:18 AM
How many times can I rewatch this scene before it becomes too many…
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 8:11 AM
These writers know exactly how to make me feel all warm and fuzzy.
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 2:57 AM
@extraordinary writers, WHEN will you let Kyung redeem himself?! I\’m on here every week defending him like an idiot, have some compassion.
azzo
November 7, 2019 at 3:04 AM
I really hope soon, by next episode, at least hints of redemption! I liked that little Dan-oh/Baek Kyung moment so maybe!
gadis is lost in The Untamed land 🐇🐇
November 7, 2019 at 3:34 AM
I love that little moment when they sit beside each other. And also when she teasingly ‘tattled’ on him to his mom. Writer-nim, I need Kyung to redeem himself soon. Preferably in tomorrow eps.
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 7:09 AM
yesss this week’s moment where they sat on the bench and he could just sit and smile for a while was so good. I need MORE.
and side note but it was interesting to hear Kyung himself say, “you’re all I have” to Danoh because that’s been one of my biggest explanations for his behaviour 😂 I hope the writers are kind for the rest of the drama!
dokutokunaneko
November 7, 2019 at 4:38 AM
Idk, at this point im rooting for him to go full crazy. Let Jaewookie flex his acting chops! For Kyung redemption, I’ll re-read the webtoon for the nth time 😂😂
anonymous
November 7, 2019 at 5:25 AM
Why do I feel like he’s getting webtoon Dohwa’s arc instead? His trying to find out what happened in the sageuk manhwa and possibly learning how much wrong he did to the characters there reminds me of Dohwa learning how he’s connected to Juda’s trauma and how his family wronged hers.
Lol I’ve been rereading the webtoon a lot these past weeks too.
alasecond
November 7, 2019 at 5:52 AM
agree. same thought.. drama has put all “Drama” in this extra love triangle..
main love triangle has become about showing candy being truly an awesome strong lady and second lead getting his happy ending
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 7:07 AM
I’m trying to avoid finding out what happened in the manhwa in case it colours my expectations for the drama, so I won’t read this thread yet, but I hope you guys are having a fun discussion 😹😹
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 2:53 AM
IS IT JUST ME OR WAS ROSWOON EXTRA SWOONY TODAY???
Also Dohwa is literally me, LOL.
beesgiggle
November 7, 2019 at 3:15 AM
HAHAHAHA DO HWA
alasecond
November 7, 2019 at 5:53 AM
look at DH.. man should be like that..
so happy even if his love of life has exited his life, he has given to faith, he knows he has no free will, .. lol.. he is so funny and happy version of sombre squid fairy
protect haru
November 5, 2019 at 4:47 AM
hi beanies!! how is everyone? daily life is kind of keeping me away from db at the moment. I miss being on here 🙁
while I remember—does anyone have kbs drama special recs?
parkchuna
November 5, 2019 at 8:04 AM
2018 ones – Review notebook of my embarrasing days, The long goodbye.
mango
November 5, 2019 at 10:18 AM
I hope you will soon find time to hang out on db!
Here’s a list of drama specials per year:
2014 – The Three Female Runaways, We All Cry Differently, You’re Pretty Oh Manbok, The Dirge Singer, Youth, Middle School Student A, Bride in Sneakers
2015 – What is the Ghost Up To?, Live Shock, The Brothers’ Summer, Avici
2016 – The Legendary Lackey, Explicit Innocence,Summer Dream
2017 – Waltzing Alone, Buzzcut Love, The Last Week of Madam Jung , If We Were a Season, Bad Families
2018 – Forgotten Season, Dreamers, So Close Yet So Far, Too Bright for Romance
WishfulToki
November 5, 2019 at 11:28 AM
I loved The Legendary Lackey and The Dirge Singer.
A few other favorites of mine: Adolescence Medley (2013, known as Puberty Medley on Youtube), The True Colors of Kang and Cheol (2012), Let Us Meet (2017).
mango
November 5, 2019 at 1:42 PM
Adolescence Medley of course! I forgot to mention it. Let Us Meet was all kind of cute. I haven’t watched The True Colors of Kang and Cheol yet.
WishfulToki
November 7, 2019 at 6:59 AM
True Colors is fun! I think it’s 4 episodes long, so it feels more like a mini drama.
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 2:54 AM
thanks for the recs, I’ll check them out once I’m on christmas break ♡♡♡
parkchuna
November 7, 2019 at 4:22 AM
oooh i really liked if we were a season, also just saw Bride in Sneakers last week
protect haru
November 7, 2019 at 2:54 AM
thank you @mango ♡
do you have any particular favourites?
mango
November 7, 2019 at 5:52 AM
All of the drama specials I mentioned are among my favourite but if I had to choose a few if would be Brothers’ Summer, The Three Female Runaways, The Legendary Lackey, Forgotten Season, Dreamers and Waltzing Alone. Baek Hee Has Returned is a four episodes drama special with feel good vibes and very entertaining.
protect haru
October 31, 2019 at 7:04 PM
@lindag the way you were absolutely on the money with the Joker… amazing!!!
protect haru
October 29, 2019 at 7:39 AM
OMG @saner @bluewaters20 @gadis @wishfultoki HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THE PICS OF LWE JAEWOOK DRESSED IN HISTORICAL CLOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
protect haru
October 29, 2019 at 7:40 AM
LEE JAEWOOK MY BAD IM JIST SO EXCITED??
WishfulToki
October 29, 2019 at 7:45 AM
Nope, but I can imagine he looks stunning.
alasecond
October 29, 2019 at 7:52 AM
its posted on dramabeans.. just scroll through pages..
speculatin being.. he was in flower too
WishfulToki
October 29, 2019 at 8:08 AM
Thanks but I’m waiting for Wednesday. I was kind of expecting him to show up in Flower though, the way things are going.
protect haru
October 29, 2019 at 8:55 AM
An understatement, 100%.
azzo
October 29, 2019 at 9:29 AM
OMG!!!
I posted about this today saying that I think he was in Flower, too! This means I’m right! 😨
protect haru
October 29, 2019 at 8:29 PM
I’m so happy that you are!!!!
theTINYL
October 29, 2019 at 10:01 AM
WHERE?!!!
protect haru
October 29, 2019 at 8:28 PM
https://twitter.com/netizendrama/status/1189149902204477440?s=21
his outfit gives away who he is in the historical era, tho, so beware of spoilery stuff!
MeloMe
October 29, 2019 at 11:04 AM
Omg yess I did😆😆
MeloMe
October 29, 2019 at 11:16 AM
I think this week we are going to spend more time in the past- no in the flower manhwa (😂) and I can’t wait😆
protect haru
October 29, 2019 at 8:28 PM
SAME and oh my he looked so handsome
Saner
November 4, 2019 at 7:00 AM
I tried so hard to like this twice 😭😭
Those sculpted brows…were made for such a time as this!
protect haru
October 27, 2019 at 8:07 PM
oof, I’m so close to such lovely even numbers!
protect haru
October 26, 2019 at 1:50 AM
Also, now that we\’ve had a proper look at Historical!Haru, I can say for sure that he\’s most definitely not in Joseon clothing. Heck, I don\’t think it\’s Korean clothing, period. (No pun intended 😂)
The sleeves, collar and buttons on his robe are nothing like what we\’ve seen on men from the Silla Kingdom, Goryeo or Joseon. I think Historical!Haru must\’ve been a Korean delegate who had been working in China, who later returned to Korea and fell in love with Historical!Danoh.
Period-wise, I\’m going to guess Silla, rather than Joseon, because Historical!Danoh\’s hair and clothing don\’t quite square with what we\’re used to seeing on unmarried upper class Joseon women (short jeogori, or upper garment, with a full chima, or skirt + a long braid and ribbon) like Goo Haeryung.
Of course, I could be wrong about Silla, but I\’m feeling it more than Goryeo just because we can see here in this scene from Hwarang, Sooyeon\’s outfit has a similar cinched waist and modest sleeve to that of Historical!Danoh\’s.
This is pretty different from the type of outfits we saw Soo dressed in throughout Moon Lovers, which tended to have these beautiful, billowing trumpet sleeves.
Thoughts?
chasingbears
October 26, 2019 at 5:27 AM
I thought it was just straight up Ancient China (although I’m not too familiar with its periods ^^”) but now that you pointed it out, I’m sure it is Silla period.
protect haru
October 27, 2019 at 6:57 PM
I thought Ancient China too ‘cos of Haru’s clothing! I still think it could be both, but I could also be overthinking this majorly 😂
chasingbears
October 28, 2019 at 12:47 AM
I would like to give the webtoon Writer the benefit of the doubt and say it may be a mix of Silla and Chinese clothing too 😂😂 But yeahhh we might be getting ahead of ourselves 😂
MeloMe
October 26, 2019 at 5:41 AM
Waah You’ve done your research!!
I don’t know much about ancient korea but from the little Joseon era dramas that I’ve watched I agree that this doesn’t look Joseon era!
protect haru
October 27, 2019 at 6:58 PM
yeaaaah, Joseon had a lot of pretty fixed rules/customs re: clothing, so it’s safe to say it’s not Joseon!
wapz
October 26, 2019 at 6:26 AM
I think it’s Silla, the webtoon writer in the drama isn’t that detailed to take it to China 😂
protect haru
October 27, 2019 at 6:59 PM
I’m sure it’s set in Korea, but I’m still hoping (for the sake of my love for historical accuracy) that there’s some reasonable explanation for why Haru’s costume is more Chinese than Korean, hahaha 😂😂😂
therevels
October 26, 2019 at 7:30 AM
I’m curious about their background or status in Silla era! I want to believe that she’s a princess, but her outfit lack details if she is the one, but also the fabric looks to fancy to be lowly (or probably the author lack in drawing details). Also if she were a princess, she is most likely to betrothed to her siblings.
As for Haru, he is quite fishy since he doesn’t have surname (I believe so), he could be either from China or maybe mercenary? Hwarang members?
protect haru
October 27, 2019 at 7:04 PM
I think the chances of her being a princess are pretty high because the set-up would be very classic: royal princess falls for a man that, as princess, she would never be allowed to marry, and they have to fight for their love until they meet their tragic end (or something like that).
Clothing-wise, one explanation could be that she’s outside palace when she’s not supposed to be, and she’s wearing her “normal people” disguise 😂😂😂
I’m convinced that with Haru, there has to be SOMETHING that explains his Chinese-style hair and outfit. Mercenary is a really good guess, and it could explain his scar—injured in battle maybe?
WishfulToki
October 26, 2019 at 7:26 PM
Thanks for doing the research! I have a theory: it’s not any historical period that we know of, just a fantasy historical world somewhere.
At first the clues pointed towards Joseon, with Sae-mi exclaiming “You must be from Joseon!” when Haru aced the Korean test. However, he looks nothing like a Joseon man (no gat for instance). Moreover, Hangul was not invented until the Joseon period, so Haru would not have been able to read it if he came from Goryeo or before; he’d be familiar with Chinese characters. (Otherwise, he’s a geeeeeenius scholar who picked up Hangul quickly because it’s relatively easier). Sloppy writing by the comic writer? I wouldn’t be surprised.
As far as Dan-oh’s appearance, I thought her hair looked a lot like Hae-Soo in MOON LOVERS, and even Haru’s dark robe reminds me of Wang So. For instance, this image:
Is this a coincidence? Two tragic lovers, one of them a time traveler and a water maid, and the other a prince? It’s also a drama that left us raging and clamoring for a rewrite. Could the comic writer be a scarred Moon Lovers fan? (I jest, but maybe not).
In conclusion, I think your Silla guess is a good one, though I wouldn’t rule out alternative-universe Goryeo or even Baekje, which had considerable trade with China and Japan.
protect haru
October 27, 2019 at 7:13 PM
oooh, that’s a great theory too, and it would allow the writer to get away with not being 100% historically accurate 😂😂😂
The language point is a really good one too, and I didn’t think of that before! I think with knowing hangul, that’s something that anyone who entered the Secret world would be able to do since I’m sure every character would be equipped with the most basic functions (common language being one of them?).
In terms of Chinese characters, though, I went back to look at the scene and guess what: there WAS some Hanja involved in that test!
If the writer was an angry Moon Lovers fan… 😂😂😂 (I don’t blame them.) But yes, I think Baekje and Goryeo are most definitely possibilities, because there’s so little we know now and there are overlaps between all these eras. I’m excited to see how it all turns out! We’re getting closer now…
WishfulToki
October 27, 2019 at 7:37 PM
Ooooh sharp eyes! I can’t see very well… are the questions on the test in Hangul and Haru answered using Chinese characters?
I actually like your theory that he’s from ancient China. The bamboo flute playing first struck me as something from a Chinese wuxia anyway. He may be a prince who was held hostage for a long time in China and had just returned to the Korean peninsula… Or he’s actually a Chinese envoy. Forbidden love to the max.
protect haru
October 27, 2019 at 8:06 PM
You can see it a bit better here:
I think the questions are a mixture of hangul and hanja, and seem to mostly require answers in hanja!
Yep, this is exactly what I was thinking! He was living/working in China, returned to Korea and fell in love with Historical!Danoh, who loves in him return against the wishes of her family!
WishfulToki
October 27, 2019 at 8:30 PM
Cool, thank you! I guess we’ll find out soon, hopefully!
Tbh I wasn’t expecting a historical sub-plot in EXTRAORDINARY YOU, but if done well it can give the show more emotional depth (and probably wring tears from us).
gadis is lost in The Untamed land 🐇🐇
October 27, 2019 at 3:38 PM
Apparently my mind isn’t the only one who jumped to ‘Ancient China’ the moment I saw Haru in that outfit. I thought it was simply because I’ve watched too many c-dramas lately, but you’re right that his outfit really didn’t match any of the usual male outfit from sageuk. But anyway, he looks so mesmerizing. 😍😍
protect haru
October 27, 2019 at 7:15 PM
He does 😍 I’m a sucker for period clothing (period anything, tbh) so I’m just waiting for us to get more clear shots of the world in Flower/Trumpet Creeper so I can make Historical!Haru my new dp ❤️
protect haru
October 26, 2019 at 12:43 AM
His little she\’s on my mind whisper 😍
protect haru
October 26, 2019 at 12:07 AM
A3 who?? Petition to officially start calling these dorks our E3 ♡
protect haru
October 25, 2019 at 9:34 AM
Once again, I am avoiding the Beanies tab for fear of Extraordinary spoilers (only had time for Camellia today) but I hope everyone has a good restful start to the weekend today ♥️
I’m looking forward to waking up tomorrow, making some toast and blessing my Saturday morning with some Roswoon 😍
MeloMe
October 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM
Also stay away from youtube that is if you watch a lot of Extraordinary You clips
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 8:19 PM
I miss Rookie Historian 🙁
rue
October 25, 2019 at 6:29 AM
Me too
protect haru
October 25, 2019 at 9:30 AM
I watched some of my favourite clips earlier today while I was commuting and they just reminded me of how much I actually loved watching the drama every week.
rue
October 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM
I know hey. It was just so stinkin’ cute
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 9:05 AM
Extraordinary You Ep 7: Seeing Danoh so distraught was heartbreaking. Poor girl! I don’t blame her though. One minute you have Roswoon smiling at you and holding your hand, and the next minute he vanishes into thin air. And then he comes back but instead of directing his swoon-worthy smile at you, he’s giving it to BAEK KYUNG instead? The audacity… (jk)
I’m a Kyung apologist (I know, I KNOW, bear with me) and I’m still holding on to the hope that he will stop with the uncalled for abrasiveness. Like I mentioned in some comments, I think that he’s become so used to lashing out on the stage, that his angry/bad boy/jerk persona has become a kind of second nature that he has to “unlearn” as he spends more time ‘awake’ in the shadow.
It’s also possible that he relies on whatever deep-rooted anger he’s used to feeling because of how much his own set-up makes him angry/upset. He mentioned several times in the episode how wrong it is to him that him and Danoh are just being used by their parents, and I’m sure that the reveal that his mother’s death was just a device to give his character a typical “unfortunate past” must have been absolutely awful for him.
Plus, unlike Danoh/Dohwa/pre-disappearance Haru, who all had some kind of orientation/initiation when they became self-aware—someone to talk them through what was happening/how everything worked—Kyung largely had to figure it out on his own, and may still be finding his feet/deciding what to do now that he has this self-awareness. Again, none of this justifies his bad behaviour! I guess I just feel more willing to sympathise with him this way.
Also I haven’t watched anything from Ep 8 or seen any behind the scenes stuff, but Historical Haru and Danoh didn’t actually look like they were in Joseon, judging by Haru‘s hairstyle and clothing. They look a lot more like the kind of topknot and high collared garment worn in China during the Ming dynasty.
joongkicookie
October 24, 2019 at 9:39 AM
The way they’re dressed in the sageuk manhwa actually reminded me of Hwarang, so I think they’re from the Shilla Dynasty(i’m not a korean history expert..)?
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 6:33 PM
I thought of Shilla too, but Haru’s topknot is actually not (to my knowledge) typical of how an unmarried Shilla man would’ve worn his hair (long, half up, half down). It looks more similar to this hairstyle (top left): https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bd59614904a3e62fbdf429c4ec55e7de
But then again, I’m hardly an expert either and could be totally wrong too 😂
MeloMe
October 24, 2019 at 9:47 AM
Ok so many people have been wondering why Do Hwa’s personality is the same in the shadow as on stage while Dan Oh’s deviates a lot and like I mentioned in the recap this is totally explainable by Gadis’s theory that characters who are main/supporting have had a more vigorous character development so they have little power however extra characters like Dan Oh and pre-Haru have little (or none in the case of Haru) pre-set personality so they can experience and decide what they truly like for themselves. I think, this explains the best why Baek Kyung is still a jerk even in the shadow and even when he’s aware now!
Honestly I totally expected that Baek Kyung will have a redemption arc and that he’ll actually be nice or “not a jerk” when he’s aware thus making it difficult for us as the viewers to choose between Haru and him and so I am pleasantly surprised that the writer (of the drama 😂) is taking a different route!
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 6:28 PM
Yup, this makes a lot of sense. I wrote in another comment on the most recent recap posted that characters like Danoh and Haru have the freedom to kind of do whatever they want and go wherever they want, i.e. Haru can go to the movies, Danoh can go shopping with Saemi, etc. Kyung and Dohwa, on the other hand, basically do nothing beyond the little bubbles the writer has created for them. I mean, the two of them are (were? sorry Dohwa 😂) supposedly members of A3 together, but we never see them hanging out with each other just for fun, save from those throwaway scenes where they just sat down together, not really actually talking/being friends. They live very one-dimensional lives, so it’s probably a lot harder for them to break out of those moulds.
MeloMe
October 25, 2019 at 4:47 AM
Yess!! its like how in the latest episode dried squid fairy says that its worse to turn into an extra with a setup from a mere nameless extra!!
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 8:33 AM
Camellia Ep 11: I don’t think whoever Hyangmi was talking to in the dark alley was Heungshik. She called him ahjusshi, and when I went back to Ep 3 to check, she called Heungshik by his given name. I’ve seen a few people pitch the idea of co-perpetrators or accomplices, which is definitely plausible. Heungsik could be the underling of whoever Joker actually is.
This could be a reach but might he even have been the person who set off the sprinklers when Dongbaek was in danger? Could it be that he knew Joker planned to murder the aesthetician (maybe they planned it together) but later heard that Dongbaek had gone to the parlour with her, and decided to stop Joker from making a kill that wasn’t planned in case anything went wrong and put their identities at risk?
Ms. Rabbit 🐇
October 24, 2019 at 8:51 AM
I also think Heungshik is a red herring. He may also be totally innocent and genuinely love to feed strayed cat. Someone else poison the cat food.
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 9:10 AM
Yeah this is definitely completely possible too! We’re still only halfway through, so anything could happen.
miss h
October 24, 2019 at 9:21 AM
That could be. Which husband was it that lent HM money and the wife got mad when she found out about it? We never did find out what that was all about.
Ms. Rabbit 🐇
October 24, 2019 at 9:28 AM
That was one of the ahjummas’ husband. I don’t think we met him yet. I have a feeling the real culprit is someone we already know though. Otherwise, the show won’t be able to give us that ah-hah! moment. 😉
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 6:21 PM
I want to think it’s someone we know, too, but then again, the killer seems to be one of the older men in Ongsan (going off how Hyangmi called him ahjusshi), none of whom we know that well other than Gyutae and Chief Byun. We know it’s not Gyutae because Dongbaek would never welcome him into Camellia or offer him peanuts on the house. Gyutae and the Chief are also prominent in the neighbourhood, and wouldn’t be able to get away with skulking around in alleyways at night, since they would be recognised immediately and be called by name.
Based on those points, I think it’s more likely to be someone whom we might recognise if he passed by, but someone without any prominent screentime or focus yet.
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 6:16 PM
I think she borrowed money from the husband of the ahjumma who sells rices cakes (played by Kim Mihwa) to pay off whatever debt she owes to that thug Nakho (having not watched ep 12 yet, I don’t think the show has gone into detail about what exactly she needs all that money for).
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 7:47 AM
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 12:53 AM
(avoiding the Beanies tab for now so I don’t see Extraordinary Spoilers, but I just wanted to post my favourite moments today from Camellia Ep 11)
I LOVE THIS MAN WITH MY WHOLE HEART
taekkielove
October 24, 2019 at 1:18 AM
Awww…I love him too❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 2:42 AM
He was just outstandingly lovely this episode 🥰
Aami
October 24, 2019 at 2:26 AM
Me too me too me too!!! ♥️
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 2:43 AM
I’m going to remember this scene as a highlight of Kang Haneul’s career 😍
bangwon
October 24, 2019 at 5:20 AM
THIS SCENE WAS JUST FANTASTIC, THE MUSIC, THE WALK, KANG HANEUL 💗💗
leeboo
October 24, 2019 at 5:50 AM
He’s in Heirs.
stpauligurl
October 24, 2019 at 6:01 AM
This scene was exactly what I needed to see yesterday. I came home from work feeling really blue and down on myself – just because I’m that way at times. And even though I wasn’t sure I wanted to even watch a drama I turned on Camelia and saw this.
Then my night was instantly better!!!!!
He was just so badass wasn’t he?
protect haru
October 24, 2019 at 8:05 AM
Aw, I’m sorry that you felt that way after work, but I’m so glad you felt better after watching this GOLDEN scene!!! He was badass but still his wonderful adorkable self at the same time. Love ❤️
stpauligurl
October 24, 2019 at 8:35 AM
Well each day is a new one isn’t it?
The other part I liked was how excited he was when Pil Gu said his friends wanted to see him and he was excited thinking it was because he was a cop. Then his face when Pil Gu said, no they wanted to see the drone. But he rose to the occasion like the loving person he is.
Chandler
October 24, 2019 at 8:20 AM
Same!
Also, I absolutely loved Pil-gu walking proudly from the game with both Yong-shik’s sunglasses and grandma’s bling on. Haha, so cute!