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Camellia Ep 11: I don’t think whoever Hyangmi was talking to in the dark alley was Heungshik. She called him ahjusshi, and when I went back to Ep 3 to check, she called Heungshik by his given name. I’ve seen a few people pitch the idea of co-perpetrators or accomplices, which is definitely plausible. Heungsik could be the underling of whoever Joker actually is.

This could be a reach but might he even have been the person who set off the sprinklers when Dongbaek was in danger? Could it be that he knew Joker planned to murder the aesthetician (maybe they planned it together) but later heard that Dongbaek had gone to the parlour with her, and decided to stop Joker from making a kill that wasn’t planned in case anything went wrong and put their identities at risk?

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    I also think Heungshik is a red herring. He may also be totally innocent and genuinely love to feed strayed cat. Someone else poison the cat food.

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      Yeah this is definitely completely possible too! We’re still only halfway through, so anything could happen.

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      That could be. Which husband was it that lent HM money and the wife got mad when she found out about it? We never did find out what that was all about.

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        That was one of the ahjummas’ husband. I don’t think we met him yet. I have a feeling the real culprit is someone we already know though. Otherwise, the show won’t be able to give us that ah-hah! moment. 😉

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          I want to think it’s someone we know, too, but then again, the killer seems to be one of the older men in Ongsan (going off how Hyangmi called him ahjusshi), none of whom we know that well other than Gyutae and Chief Byun. We know it’s not Gyutae because Dongbaek would never welcome him into Camellia or offer him peanuts on the house. Gyutae and the Chief are also prominent in the neighbourhood, and wouldn’t be able to get away with skulking around in alleyways at night, since they would be recognised immediately and be called by name.

          Based on those points, I think it’s more likely to be someone whom we might recognise if he passed by, but someone without any prominent screentime or focus yet.

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        I think she borrowed money from the husband of the ahjumma who sells rices cakes (played by Kim Mihwa) to pay off whatever debt she owes to that thug Nakho (having not watched ep 12 yet, I don’t think the show has gone into detail about what exactly she needs all that money for).

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(avoiding the Beanies tab for now so I don’t see Extraordinary Spoilers, but I just wanted to post my favourite moments today from Camellia Ep 11)

I LOVE THIS MAN WITH MY WHOLE HEART

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    Awww…I love him too❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️

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    Me too me too me too!!! ♥️

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      I’m going to remember this scene as a highlight of Kang Haneul’s career 😍

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    THIS SCENE WAS JUST FANTASTIC, THE MUSIC, THE WALK, KANG HANEUL 💗💗

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    He’s in Heirs.

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    This scene was exactly what I needed to see yesterday. I came home from work feeling really blue and down on myself – just because I’m that way at times. And even though I wasn’t sure I wanted to even watch a drama I turned on Camelia and saw this.
    Then my night was instantly better!!!!!
    He was just so badass wasn’t he?

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      Aw, I’m sorry that you felt that way after work, but I’m so glad you felt better after watching this GOLDEN scene!!! He was badass but still his wonderful adorkable self at the same time. Love ❤️

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        Well each day is a new one isn’t it?
        The other part I liked was how excited he was when Pil Gu said his friends wanted to see him and he was excited thinking it was because he was a cop. Then his face when Pil Gu said, no they wanted to see the drone. But he rose to the occasion like the loving person he is.

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    Same!

    Also, I absolutely loved Pil-gu walking proudly from the game with both Yong-shik’s sunglasses and grandma’s bling on. Haha, so cute!

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They’re just so DARN CUTE!!!!!!!

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lots to think about after Nokdu ep 7… it\’s a race to see who can mobilise against the king faster now—the prince or minister heo.

re: the supposed reveal that nokdu is the son of the king that everyone is looking for—how does this square with what we saw in the previous episode where his dying mother seemed to think he was hwangtae? could this all be a misunderstanding/red herring? it\’s not impossible that there could\’ve been some miscommunication. who gave hwangtae the information that nokdu is the son of the king? I feel like the only person who can actually verify this is yoonjo, who doesn\’t seem to have been in contact with hwangtae for some time now, and still refers to hwangtae and nokdu as his SONS, i.e., he hasn\’t given away who is who.

am I just overthinking this after yesterday\’s mega twist?

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    I had exactly the same thoughts.

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    I’m still holding onto that hope.

    🙂

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    that’s exactly what i thought – we see hwangtae overhear his mother saying only “it’s all your fault” to nokdu but not the entirety of what she said which is “hwangtae it’s all your fault”.

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is it time already to change my screen name to protect nokdu? 😂


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For Beanies interested in the history behind what’s happening on Nokdu right now:

(NOTE: COULD CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR WHAT HAPPENS LATER IN THE DRAMA)

The reigning king Gwanghae ruled Joseon from 1608 to 1623. He was the second born son to the previous monarch, Seonjo of Joseon, and his mother was a concubine. His younger brother, Prince Yeongchang, was Seonjo’s legitimate heir, and was favoured to succeed Seonjo. Seonjo’s sudden death meant that Yeongchang was unable to succeed him, which allowed Gwanghae to ascend the throne.

Yulmoo/Prince Neungyang/later King Injo of Joseon was Gwanghae’s nephew (his father was another illegitimate son of Seonjo and a Royal Consort/Concubine). In the mid-1600s, there was a lot of conflict between several political factions (primarily the Northern vs. the Western, though there were internal sub-divides as well), and Gwanghae became more and more unpopular as the monarch.

People (as seen in the drama) began to plot against him and eventually, the Western faction launched a coup in 1623, which resulted in Gwanghae’s dethronement. The Western faction then brought Injo into the palace and crowned him as King of Joseon.

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    Prince Neungyang was Injo’s royal title bestowed upon him by former King Seonjo, but his birth name was Yi Jong (kind of like how in Rookie Historian, Rim was called Prince Dowon). Yulmoo is actually one of his posthumous names, so that’s where the writers must have gotten it from!

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      Thank you, that was really helpful as I was quite confused about what’s been going on.

      But I still don’t understand where King’s son (presumably Nok-Du or his “brother” Hwang Tae) fits in. Why is the king trying to kill his own son when he should be more worried about his half brother Prince Yeongchang?

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    Thanks a lot. I just watched the episode and was quite confused but all surprised at all the ginormous twists they came up with in the last 10 minutes of the episode. What confuses me still to date is Nokdu and his relevance to this whole dethroning and crowning a new king scenario.

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      @wapzy @cherryinbloom that’s the aspect of the drama that probably isn’t rooted in history, so I’m wracking my brain now to figure it out too.

      I can’t imagine why a son would be bad, unless that son perhaps posed some threat to the Gwanghae’s reign? But then again, why? I’m stumped!

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        There must be some prophecy surrounding his birth that made him a bad omen. That would be my guess.

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          Oh, that’s a great guess! If I recall correctly, a similar theme of prophecy/fortune-telling cropped up in Moonlight Drawn by Clouds, which was also written by one of the writers of Nokdu! Could it be that one of the court shamans predicted that the King’s son would play a role in his downfall?

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            That would be my guess because he kept repeating the date like it was something ominous. I wasn’t paying attention the palace politics at all but now I might need to rewatch all those scenes.

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          Yes, the current king has shown himself to be very superstitious.

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        Ok so I haven’t gotten around to watch the latest episodes yet but maybe it’s not actually a son but our heroin, a daughter!?

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      Nokdu is based loosely on Crown Prince Yi Ji. King Gwanghae’s only son.
      This writer is not sticking with the history “as expected.”
      Gwanghae didn’t try to kill his own son and Gwanghae ascended the throne because he was the most capable in all of King Seonjo’s illegitimate sons. The people also did not hate him. When Japan attacked Joseon his father went into hiding in China while the 18 yr old Gwanghae was left to defend the people and rebuild the country.
      The young prince that was residing in the palace is Gwanghae’s half brother, the legitimate heir to the throne. He was only 2yrs old when King Seonjo died so he was too young to rule.
      Injo (Cha Yul-mu aka Prince Neungyang) is Yi Ji (Nokdu’s) cousin. His father was Gwanghae’s incompetent older brother. He eventually
      became king after a coup to overthrow Gwanghae.
      Injo was one of the worst king in Joseon. During his reign Joseon went through two devastated Manchu invasions.

      I don’t know if Gwanghae is trying to protect or kill Nokdu but Nokdu will probably return to the palace and become the crown prince or he will live happily ever after as a commoner with Dong Dong-ju aka Eun-seo.

      Who knows what changes this writer will do.

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        iirc, Gwanghae’s people did not hate him, but members of the court (yangban like scholars and politicians) who formed the minor Western faction were against his continued rule, despite his attempts to bring them into government. His policies were also seen as immoral and heretical, and many members of court saw his brand of politics as a defiance to certain fundamental principles of Neo-Confucianism, which was the state ideology of Joseon at the time.

        Not sure if that’s the story that the drama will stick to when they reveal the exact reasons for the plots against the King, of course, but I’m interested to see how much leeway the writers take with his character/story!

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          Members of the court were more concern with gaining power for their own political parties than protecting the country and serving the people.
          For Gwanghae, his country and his people came first. He remained neutral between China and Manchus to prevent invasions and sufferings of his people.

          So what did the Western faction do for Joseon? They put a puppet Injo on the throne and went pro Ming. That’s why the Manchus invaded Joseon not once but twice. Injo went into hiding while people were being slaughtered by the Manchus.

          This drama is doing their own thing like this writer’s last drama.

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    I’m here and thanks a lot. So this is going to be a fictional war of the princes? Since Nokdu didn’t actually exist in history. I never thought they would give us two real life kings in this drama. Well played.

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      I feel kind of silly thinking this was going to be another set standard sageuk 😂 Still, we can all unite in our mutual feelings of shock and disbelief. Nokdu just got a whole new level of interesting!

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        I honestly thought this drama would just be rainbows and sunshine. I didn’t even know how badly I needed this plot twist. Absolutely a whole new level of interesting.

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    Thank you and @kiara for explaining. I read the wiki and still had no clue what was happening. Korean history is more complicated than any makjang daily drama!

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NOKDU EP 6… THAT REVEAL THO… how silly I was commenting on last week\’s recap that Yulmoo seemed totally unimportant 😂

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    Now I’m grateful we didn’t end last week on that mind-blowing twist!!! Small mercies 😂

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    And I thought his acting was quite sub par untill he turned full on crazy.

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      I want to kick myself for thinking he was just another lovesick puppy second lead.

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      ME TOO. I even thought so myself, what a boring role, why did they bother adding a character not from the manhwa if he’s not going to contribute all that much? THEY REALLY SHOWED ME WHERE TO STUFF IT 🤣

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    LOL yeah I feel like a fool. 🤦

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I caught up on Miss Lee after falling behind last week. I was instantly reminded of me why I paused: I seriously dislike almost every character. This must be a new record. I’m so close to dropping it.

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new display name, new me? goodbye (for the time being) protect choi junwoo. i\’d like to believe that my baby junu is living his best life in a small town with his mum, working on his art, texting ohje regularly and making plans to see soobin on the weekends, and therefore no longer in need of my constant protection *tearful sniffs* live well, my sweet son!

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    Dear Protect Beanie, looks like you travelled from one drama to another too 👍🏼 Proud of your boy choices to protect.

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      Don’t go forgetting your memories now. Have them all intact. We cannot afford a beanie having tropey amnesia too.

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        If forgetting means getting stare into Roswoon’s dreamy eyes… maybe amnesia isn’t so bad 😍

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    oh nooo, I enjoyed seeing jun woo reminders thru your display name. but, farewell jun woo. I think he *will* be happy somewhere. and, hello haru!

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      I knooow, every time I listen to the Moment at Eighteen OST, I’ll be thinking of Junwoo and missing him. At least he’s still my display pic 😆

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        I heard the OST again yesterday after a few weeks and so many feels all over again 🥺🥺

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    what a cutie!

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    Haha, I noticed your name change and came straight here to comment! Uri Haru needs all the protecting he can get! *grabs Weapons Grade kimchi*

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      I listened to the Moment at Eighteen ost almost right after I changed my name and I immediately felt this wave of like, OH NO I MISS JUNWOO SHOULD I CHANGE BACK?! but, no, you’re right, Haru is in waaaaay greater need of protection right now, so the name will stay!! Jinmichae better watch out!

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        *puts warm and comforting hand on shoulder*

        After this week’s episodes, JunWoo would totally understand. and root for Haru too! As long as you remember where your bike is parked, you can always come back…

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          Now that is an idea… Is it time to start wishing for Ong and Roswoon in a drama TOGETHER? And why not throw Jang Dongyoon in as well, just because we can?

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            😍😍😍😍 A trio of sweeties being adorable – ack, my teeth couldn’t take it!

            This comment has made me realise I’m officially in noona territory though…😂 🤣

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Extraordinary You theory/guess: Haru and Danoh came from a historical (probably Joseon?) romance manhwa.

(For some reason all the images/links disappeared 😩 Reposted in full in the comments!)

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    There’s also this scene where Haru leads Danoh to the little enclave with (what could be the) flowering trumpet vines (shoutout to my fellow manhwa author @saner! 💘).

    Anyone who likes a sageuk knows that flowers are always used to symbolise some kind of love/destiny/fate between the two main characters. We saw this recently with the cherry blossoms in 100 Days My Prince:

    Haru also asks Danoh if she knows the place he’s brought her to, but since neither of them have their memories, she says she doesn’t know, and Haru himself admits to Dried Squid Fairy later on that although Danoh is familiar to him, he doesn’t know the answers to any of his thoughts and questions.

    So what is this place, you ask?

    Why, it’s gotta be our couple’s secret/romantic meeting spot, of course! Where else have we seen something like this? None other than everyone’s favourite fusion sageuk of 2016: Moonlight Drawn By Clouds.

    There’s probably more stuff I could add to this post (correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there a throwaway line somewhere Danoh calls herself a princess?), but it’s already so long, LOL. If you made it all the way to the end, thank you! I had so much fun writing this.

    Happy Friday Everyone! 😆

    (gif credit)

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    I do think he comes from another Manhwa, as a matter of fact, it is the other one that Jin Mi-chae has “Flower”, it makes sense to me that Haru somehow travelled to this world without knowing and if you realized the lines he says are the ones in Flower, the two Manhwa world are now connected because of him, his character is a main lead in that one and now is forcing his way into Secret, but how did he get here and why? I know he is here for Dan-oh but there is still so much we need to know!

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      I’m 100% with you on that, and the ‘Flower’ in question is the red flower that keeps blooming around him! I wonder if Flower was something that got shelved after the first volume, leaving the characters kind of floating around, and Haru came into the world of Secret through that weird portal we’ve been seeing. On the other hand, I feel like when Jinmichae talks about things going wrong if the story changes, he seems to be alluding to Haru as well.

      Another guess of mine is that Haru’s character in Flower became self-aware and tried to change the narrative, which got him written off (maybe killed off?) in Flower, which then somehow led to him entering the world of Secret. But how? And what about Danoh? Something tells me they definitely knew each other from before the events of the drama, but where and why? SO MUCH still to be answered, and now, Kyung’s really thrown a spanner in the works after the ending of ep 6 😂

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        I’m herre! Thank you for calling me to this very tasty thread!

        I agree that it’s basically (TV version) canon that Haru came from the Joseon period with his artwork, music skill and smashing the Hangul test…but totes failing English.

        Joseon love stories are ripe for tragedy and heartache with all the social boundaries and restrictions in place, as well as the strong social adherence to Confucian ideals.
        A sad ending might explain why the norigae (great spot!) burned when it touched Haru’s scar – they’re clearly connected.

        I wonder if it’s less about Haru changing the story and more his presence reverting the story to his….which seems like it had a very tragic ending and maybe JinMiChae is trying to prevent that ending leaking over to their world?

        You often hear about writers wanting to write something light and fluffy after writing heavier things for so long….And death and the promise to meet each other ‘in the next life’ is a very common tragi-romantic trope.

        But maybe their love in the previous manwha (especially his love/protective instinct for Dan Oh) was so strong that it’s breaking through pages, worlds and portals…hence the flowers, which bloom more rampantly if it’s been warmer/hotter in the summer.

        In this week’s episode see that even if he is aware that changing the scene may result in his pain and disappearance, Haru is still determined to follow his heart…and Eun Dan Oh.

        *tears up*
        *sniffle*

        I don’t think Kyung will have had a hand in Haru’s disappearance…but he seems like the kind of person to find it ironic and have a wry laugh about it (“So I’ve been suffering all this time with my dad because of some writer? If my life is just a joke to them, then I’ll just laugh about everyone’s situation.” His life is a concept [his Dad’s] within a concept [the writer’s]) but I’m hoping having read that Dan Oh doesn’t have much time might soften him….at least slightly? That scene in the hospital gave me hope. He hasn’t had the support to accept it so easily like Dohwa, DanOh and Haru have…

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          A sad ending might explain why the norigae burned when it touched Haru’s scar – they’re clearly connected.

          I would be extremely surprised if it was anything but a sad ending. The norigae must have been a gift from Joseon Haru to Joseon Danoh while they were in love, but something must’ve come between them (war? politics? literal death?).

          I do love the idea of their love breaking through the worlds (you’re right, it’s like the ‘in the next life’ trope, but kind of better?). Them falling in love in the Secret world is not something the writer intended, so they’re going to have to keep fighting! I am ready to get hurt again.gif

          I don’t think Kyung is responsible for Haru’s disappearance either, though I can see why people are feeling suspicious given how threatening he seemed in that last scene LOL. Dammit, Kyung, here I am, rooting for you against the advice of other people, and you just have to go be all scary in the library. I better get lots of gentle/cute Kyung moments in the next episode as compensation. I saw that three-legged race. I have HIGH hopes.

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    I saw pics in twitter of sightings of them filming in historical clothes.

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    Omg, I have no idea why all the links and photos have disappeared all of a sudden 😤 If anyone knows why this issue comes about, let me know!

    Here’s the original first part of the post:

    For starters we’ve got the obvious references from last night’s episode:

    Why, yes, I believe Haru is indeed from the Joseon dynasty, as evidenced by his random prodigious ability to play what I think is a piri (피리), or a traditional reed instrument used in classical Joseon court music.

    That aside, though, I think we could definitely look at some stuff we’ve seen in the drama so far as clues.

    The ornament Haru and Danoh find while they’re on the school trip in episode 4 (or 7-8) looks like it could be the remnants of a norigae (노리개), which was a common accessory used to adorn and decorate women’s hanbok in the Joseon dynasty.

    This is the ornament we saw in the show:

    And this is a beautiful norigae designed by a contemporary Korean designer, available online:

    They don’t look entirely similar, of course, but norigae come in all sorts of designs, and the round centrepiece can be made from cloth, metal (like the ornament in the drama) or a precious stone material (like the one available online, which looks to me like jade). The piece Haru and Danoh find also looks it’s been weathered with age, which would make sense if it had been buried and hidden for a good 500 years.

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      Yeah it was pretty obvious in episode 6. The Flower Manga Dried Squid was reading, plus him being able to do all these old fashioned things (all of a sudden I might add, why now exactly? convenient to the plot? ahem) without knowing why or how, plus the flower symbolism from before…

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        It didn’t feel all of a sudden to me, Haru talked to Jin Mi-chae and told him that he’d made his mind about wanting to exist and change his fate along with Dan-oh’s, from that it was clear to me that he was going to be taking actions to be noticed and seen by others, he was trying to stand out and he succeeded at that by getting his name written on his name-tag, being recognized as a character, although it had other consequences later!

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          No no I mean the sudden flurry of scenes of him doing ancient artwork… lol
          I get that it might’ve seemed like it was just him trying to be noticed, but to me it was deliberate directing that said “See look? he’s from the PAST have you noticed yet? here let us do another scene on his skills in case you missed it”…

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Does anyone know if Nokdu is airing this evening?

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I hope that everyone is safe and well tonight. You matter. You are not alone in this world ♥️

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I got my ticket!!! 😻 See you in December, 이지금 ♡

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ticketing for IU’s concert in my country starts in half an hour… ticketing gods, please be kind to me!

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Camellia ep 7… That last scene was chilling. I think I’m fairly secure in my guess as to the killer’s identity, but I’m open to the show surprising me, too. I have a lot of questions, though. Looking forward to ep 8 and more clues.

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Is anyone still watching Miss Lee? I still have no idea how I feel about it. I know they\’re going for Misaeng vibes, but I\’m finding it a lot more difficult to root for any of the characters. I know Kim Sangkyung’s character is supposed to be one of those jaded, curmudgeonly type characters who eventually will soften up and really come through, but after 5 episodes, I’m not seeing a single hint of silver lining.

It also doesn’t help that pretty much everyone treats Hyeri’s character like dirt. Underestimating her and looking down on her for plot purposes is one thing, but the complete lack of basic decency/manners is becoming difficult to watch. I know the company is in a dire situation in a society that’s already pretty dog-eat-dog, but man, I just want things to get better. Am I just a softie? Has my general tolerance for watching these difficult things dropped a little after the recent influx of rom-coms? 😂

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    I watched three episodes and bowed out. I really wanted to like it, but like you said her colleagues _are_ extra harsh towards her. Especially at the end of ep 3 where they all gang up and yell at her after all she’d done for them, and despite knowing how naive she is. I decided I couldn’t continue to watch after that.
    I feel a main problem is the show doesn’t really know what it wants to be. Misaeng vibes, but also they have a lot of forced wannabe comic scenes or melo scenes that do nothing for the viewer and just make the whole thing awkward. So it feels like it wants to mesh Misaeng with Chief Kim but the characters are not half as well-written.
    Like when the passcode to the CEO’s suitcase is his ex-wife’s (late wife’s?) birthday and they set it up like it’s this whole haha it’s so funny but tragic that he desperately wants to access the suitcase but cannot because he doesn’t even remember his wife’s birthday and his son knows it but the whole scene just fell FLAT.

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      Omg totally agree about the birthday/briefcase scene. I thought it was kind of SAD and uncomfortable that Philip obviously cherishes the memory of his mother who isn’t here (for whatever reason) and his dad doesn’t even remember something basic like her birthday… It wasn’t funny to me at all.

      The melo vibes are kind of half-baked as well because other than Miss Lee herself I don’t see anyone else really feeling bad or apologising or growing in any way at all?? I want to sympathise but the characters feel so far-removed because everyone except that one colleague Mr. Myung (and maybe Philip?) goes out of their way to be rude/mean to Miss Lee to the point where I’m starting to really dislike them all LOL.

      I don’t know if I’m ready to drop it yet, I might keep going just a little to see what else happens, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have one foot out the door already.

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        Yeah, seriously, in a drama like you’d ideally be waiting for everyone to “grow” in whatever ways and rooting for the bad guys to get their due, but all I kept wanting was for everyone to be hit on the head (sometimes not gently) LOL.

        I wonder if this would have been a better drama if all of this was a flashback telling us how Miss Lee got to where she was. If we’d seen her be an actually capable CEO and then look back at how she got there. 😕

        Also, do you know why calling her “Miss Lee” seems to have been a kind of derogatory way of addressing her? I couldn’t figure that out. If that was a reference or something I was missing out on.

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    I’ve watched through Episode 4 but don’t know if I will continue. I’m finding it difficult to root for any of the characters too. The coworkers are difficult to watch but then so is Miss Lee. She’s so painfully naïve/dumb, and I can’t get past her actions in the first episode.

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THE DIFFERENCE 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love him so much!

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GOOD MORNING BEANIES! How have you all been?

I’m back after a very busy period in school. It wasn’t easy. I still have a lot on my plate, and I miss having more time to watch and write about dramas, but I’m trying my best to find some balance. I’ve got a day off today, so I’m going to enjoy it by catching up on this week’s episodes of Nokdu and relaxing with my boyfriend.

Thank you to everyone who wrote me encouraging messages. You guys are the best!

Have a wonderful day everyone ♡

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I\’ve got a 6-hour exam in a few hours and a super busy weekend ahead. Here\’s hoping I hold it all together 🤞

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