Beanie level: Loan shark with a heart of gold

Chocolate has ended.

I’m not sure how/why I made it through 16 episodes.

I have thoughts, and I won’t rain on anyone’s parade in the recap because other people seem to like this drama.

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    The pacing and plotting of this was NOT good. Too rushed and jam-packed in the front half, and then they needed to fill 8 more hours with stuff and people I did not care about.

    Apparently Quiznos jumped shipped after they dropped all the kids from the show. Wise move on the part of Quiznos.

    That was quite the Godiva ppl. It quite literally saved the FL’s life.

    Speaking of ppl: The ppl in episode 16 was definitely the work of Ji-ho in BTIOF. I’m sure she worked hard, but it would have been better if they had given her more time to work it in seamlessly and over more episodes. The car shopping literally made me laugh out loud.

    Apparently in this universe, the only good parent is a dead parent. (well, I guess adoptive mom was fine) Seriously, I wonder if the writer has some history because moms were not well represented here.

    The introduction of supposedly important characters in the last four episodes after you quite literally killed off some very interesting and integral characters in the first eight? Yeah, that’s not a good idea. Especially, if you don’t do the work to tie them into the main storylines in a way that makes your viewer give a damn about them. Just having a character that is tragic doesn’t mean I’m gonna give any cares after you have been yanking my emotions willy nilly all along.

    The medical staff at the hospital and the hospice were amazingly unprofessional.

    The food looked good.

    Greece is pretty.

    CAN WE STOP WITH THE UNNECESSARY SEPARATION OF THE LEADS WHILE THEY WORK THROUGH SOME EMOTIONAL ISSUE? You know what’s romantic? Communication and supportive loving couples. Cha-young leaving made no narrative sense at all. The story had just got done telling me that wasting time when life can be short is bad. The story kept telling us that leaving your loved ones for selfish reasons is bad. The story kept banging us over the head with example after example of abandonment, and then what do they do? THEY HAVE HER LEAVE KANG. I’m slamming my head on my desk

    Anyways, Greece is pretty. Wangdo looked pretty too. And now I’m just going to forget about this one.

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      One last thing (probably not): It’s 2020, can we stop pretending that international cell phone communication is not a thing?

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        Communication isn’t a thing in chocolate world at all. Also let’s not forget the Dyson ppl. The decor was so bright blue that I almost expected that nice blue stole to be a PPL as well.

        Am I PPL obsessed or is this the side effect of chocolate world.

        Also can’t believe I’m saying this, but noble idiocy due to mom would actually have been an improvement on the reason for separation instead of the stupidity we got.

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        I liked about 20% of it. It had potential. The cinematography was nice. It held my interest until the overdose of trauma, after the initial overdose of trauma, added up to me not caring much about anyone.

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      What’s so special about Chocolate that your polite opinion in the recap would mean raining on anyone’s parade? People need to start laughing about others not loving or even hating stuff they like.

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      Wait! Did Cha-young ever get her sense of smell and taste back?

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        Nope, they forgot all about it. She was enjoying the vague whose bday party it was as if everything was fine.
        Kangs hand tremors were also forgotten.

        Stupidly enough the old nurse & her ex now bf had closure, the young nurse that crushed on Kang had closure, even the useless trash Director & his awkward love story with the Alzhemier’s ahjumma had closure, but The ML & FL didn’t.
        👏 👏 👏

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      If I could like twice, I would.

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      I’ve now watched the last episode. I want a job that I can just leave whenever I feel like it, then resume it whenever I want.

      This didn’t turn into a hate watch for me, but it came pretty close. The last episode is a mess.

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Because @ndlessjoie asked for it, I have some quick book recommendations. As requested, the following books are neither romance centric, nor follow the antics of a serial killer or two. Though I must say that this caveat to the plea for a good book gave me pause as thatโ€™s pretty much what Iโ€™ve been reading lately. But no worries, my book well is deep, and I can push aside the kissers and killers in order tell you about other very worthy novels.

First we have People of the Whale by Linda Hogan. Because Iโ€™m writing this quickly, I find myself struggling to describe this novel succinctly and clearly. In one sense itโ€™s a story of a man conflicted with his experiences as a soldier in the Vietnam war, and with his Native Pacific Coast heritage and spirituality. But it also a novel of the ravages of colonialism on culture, people, animals, and the land itself. Itโ€™s a book about identity, connections, what and who is our family, and where is that place we call home. Iโ€™m not doing it justice here, but this beautifully written work is particularly poignant as we witness the collapse of ecosystems as climate change is wreaking havoc all over the world. Though the main character I have named here is a man, this a not a masculine centered novel.

Next, another work by a Native American author, I recommend Antelope Woman by Louise Erdrich. This novel also blend the supernatural and spiritual traditions with the tragic and brutal effects of war. The novel begins with a raid on an Ojibwe village, an inadvertent kidnapping of a baby, and the resulting continued intertwining of the lives of the descendants of a US soldier and a bereaved mother. While my description here sounds wholly tragic, Erdrichโ€™s writing doesnโ€™t wallow in tragedy. Instead, much as we do in real life, she finds the threads of humor in the everyday, and in the real connections that people have as they live and love each other. There are grandmas who maintain the language and traditions of the past, but also embrace the conveniences of modern life. There is a foul mouthed dog who tells dirty jokes (It makes sense. I promise). But mostly, itโ€™s yet another work that illustrates the complex connections we have with each other and with the land itself. One thing to note: I highly suggest reading the revised 2016 edition. Erdrich was able to return the book nearly 20 years after it was first published and make changes that make for a much more cohesive and richer reader experience.

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So, no ToTM in January?

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So, this happened, and I’m not happy about it. For the record, if you want a loan you can find me on my rooftop because I’m not leaving. The heart of gold thing might not be true.

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I\’ve been waiting all week for Saturday, which is Never Twice day, and then I didn\’t even watch it. I think there\’s gonna be sad. I don\’t want sad. Tell me we end the week on happy. Please.

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    I watched Chocolate for gosh sakes, which is all sad. Maybe I’ll just rewatch Hae-joo smiling at that “family” Christmas photo. You all can tell me when I can look again.

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    I’m also hesitating.

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    Is it gonna be sad?! I have been waiting all week for my quiet Sunday morning watch wrapped in my blanket with tea. It’s even going to rain tomorrow.

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    Hmmmm.I’d say more filler episode for a weekend drama. No break ups or fights. I like the veteran actors storyline as well on top of the young uns. Though I cannot stand the 1st daughter in law and her daughter. That boyfriend really has a high level of patience to deal with that spoilt brat and she aspires to replace the grandpa but treats her subordinates horribly.

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Chocolate episode 9 was much better than episode 8, but….

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    this drama has major pacing issues. Some of the major plot points (FL lost on a mountain in the dark, death, attempted murder, assault, death) of episode 8 could have taken place in episode 9, or 10, or maybe 11, and thus given viewers a bit more time to, you know, digest what was happening.

    Anyways, one of my least favorite things dramas do, besides everyone’s favorite wrist grab, is the use of incessant flashbacks. Especially flashbacks of things that literally happened a minute or so ago. They keep doing this in Chocolate, and it is driving me up a f***ing wall.

    No, I don’t know why I keep watching this show. (well, I do kind of know, but well, sometimes you just need to torture yourself.

    Tomorrow’s Saturday. That means No Second Chances day, and that makes me happy. (Maybe we’ll get another stroller driving lesson.)

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      9 felt like it could be a turning point. I’m trying not to get my hopes up that we are entering the healing phase. With this drama I’m almost worried that in the last minute our heroine will fall into the sea or something.

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        I have a feeling a very major character is going to die. My hope is that Grandma gets flattened by TOD because she is one of the most evil characters I have ever encountered. The way they calmly ate dinner while Kang’s mother was buried in the rubble of that building was unspeakably horrible. No wonder Kang and Jun are so broken. Anyways, I hope the major death won’t be Cha-young, Kang, or Jun, but this writer is liable to do just about anything.

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          Out of all the tragic scenes in this show that was one of the worst. I hated watching it.

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          If it’s really going to be a healing drama the two stupid men need to realize that working together might be better than always competing, but I just don’t see this writer doing anything that makes that much sense. I predict our cook, Seon Ae, will die. It wouldn’t bother me to see the little brother go too (am I a bad person?).

          I want the new and sort of improved ToD from Crash Landing to visit Grandma.

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            Grandma, little brother, aunt, and uncle can all go. That gives the writer tragedies (or celebrations) for the next 4 shows.

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            These two remind me of SeonHo and Hwi minus the sword 😬 really just useless waste of energy 😕 also canโ€™t they give Joon more substantial plot line? His acting chops are more than capable.

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          I hate Grandbitch so much I want to strangle… I want someone to strangle… I want her to just die. And it’s rare for me to feel that strongly about a villian.

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How is it not Saturday yet? I want No Second Chances now not days from now.

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My very first post was on a BTIOFL recap, so #7000 should just be this:

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Sending armed reinforcements to @mary to deal with the flurry of bots.

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Crash Landing is terrible.*

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If you were horrified by the first episodes of Perfume please go listen to the latest from Drama Over Flowers. Spoilers abound, but so does an explanation of what those episodes really were about. It really is a much more nuanced drama than it initially appears, and know that its messaging is very positive and proactive when dealing with both body image and mental health.

Thanks Drama Over Flowers and guest for this because youโ€™re right, the very people that were most upset by the first episode are the very ones that would be most satisfied with how it ends.

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    I still don’t really get why anyone was so angry about those eps. I liked them but later didn’t care for the rest of the show.

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      The graphic depiction of attempted suicide, and Ha Jae-suk in a fat suit and made to look as unattractive as possible were very upsetting. There was nothing in the directing to show us that what we were seeing on the screen wasn’t yet another instance of fat-shaming and the use of suicide for seeming comedic purposes.

      If the director had given more of a hint that what we were seeing was Min Jae-hee’s own image of herself, and not what the world at large saw, perhaps it would not have been quite so shocking.

      However, I do understand what the production was attempting to do, and I applaud them for their message. I just wish more people had stuck around to see it.

      Perfume is not a perfect drama, but then none are.

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        Perfume was a long time ago and I forgot most of it because the later eps were ordinary for me. The things I did like about the first ep were the realistic way they showed how people sometimes act towards fat people, there was no fat-shaming, she felt like so many others do. There were some dark comedy elements but none of them were directed at the FL’s appearance, it was about her messy relationship with her husband.

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        I feel like there either had to be a better way to go about indicating this or showing what was really happening sooner. Or, simply less. Less of having the FL literally busting out of her clothes every other scene. For me, my last scene was watching her sit there as her button snapped and she watched in horror–with her fake belly flapping around—as the button ricocheted all over the room. And also, I dont think I’ve ever seen a fat person in a lead role in a drama–and for them to decide to showcase her the way that they did? Wasnt ok for me. You shouldnt need a series of experts to explain entertainment. It should be able to stand on its own. Even with an explanation I think that they failed in basic storytelling. They refused to tell a compelling story—instead going to the well of busted buttons and the trope of fat person=clumsy person and oh look at her asking for food the second she wakes up from being knocked out. BECAUSE SHES FAT, GET IT? GET IT? SHES FAT! Chuckle. Chuckle. Snort.

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@isthatacorner link in comments

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One of the perks of rewatching and not needing to focus so much on subs is catching small moments like this. LOL at WWX flirting while a tyrant is wreaking havoc on the foundations of their world. Jiang Chengโ€™s face is every sibling ever.

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I just can’t with the cuteness of this baby’s mohawk.

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Okay Beanie Collective Brain, I have a question for you that came up elsewhere: Is there a kdrama example of a chaebol family that is both loving and supportive, and alive? No vying and fighting for control of a company. No fighting over an inheritance. And importantly, both parents are alive. Birth secrets are fine as long as it doesnโ€™t result in feuding, sending someone off to war torn Libya to be blown up, or some other scheming. What Iโ€™m looking for here is an example of a healthy, loving, alive, and rich family of a lead character in a kdrama. Give me your examples if you have them.

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    This is hard. Coffee Prince? They seemed pretty loving, even if they had a few ups and downs. I do consider them his parents.

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    Gong Yoo’s family in Coffee Prince is loving and caring despite some relatively mild relational conflicts between the father and son.

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    WWWSK, his parents ships him with his secretary.

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    goblin …………. the chaebol family taking care of goblin..
    i am sure not all chabeol’s had all their parents dead at all times
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    ji sung’s character in kill me heal me..
    well family was healthy for him.. not for the girl..but for him all was good
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    Dan oh in extraordinary you.. when mom was alive , family was still happy
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      But that wasn’t his family in Goblin, and no matter how wonderful they were, they were on his payroll.

      EY, mom died, so nope.

      I don’t remember Ji Sung’s family in KMHM….no wait, wasn’t there some trauma with a fire and a cover up, and some kind of family coverup? Something with his mother?

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        Nah, KMHM chaebol family is crazy. They are the reason he has 7 personalities after all. And all that never ending scheming. And his dad died when he was young, iirc.

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          Nope no scheming..
          dad loved someone else and grandpa wanted dad to marry some rich girl..
          and problem at its crux was that

          wife went ahead and had an affair
          this one couldn’t find happy life (or was short lived).. hence his anger with lead female

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            That’s not exactly happy family, more like dysfunctional one.

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            Whatever his reasons, Dad locked a little girl in a basement and abused her which lead to his son developing DID and starting the fire that left dad in a coma for 20 years. Mom was useless. Grandma was cold. Lots of scheming by Uncle and cousin.

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            Egads asked for example of “healthy” family, not good toward one offspring, and even how “good” his family was toward him that he developed DID?

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          @shach @missh

          You guys are deviating from the main question

          in view of the question, the chaebol boy had a good family towards himself..
          girl was totally an external factor in light of the question

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        not family to goblin..

        i meant the chaebol family within themselves..

        EY mom died in between.. so Yes!.. you can’t just ignore the large part of her life when mom was alive

        Your question is on the person’s family right.. so ji sung’s family was not rude to him or negative.. they were bad to someone else.. and technically it is too twisted for them to be called bad people

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    Fated To Love You had low drama and loving family.

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      His father died though, and wasn’t his younger brother a result of a mistress? Or is that the Taiwanese version? Loving, but there was still some drama and angst in the relationships.

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        She was the caregiver with a young son when Gun’s father left as his condition got worst. Gramdma knew but never brought it up. The mistress story was what the caregiver stuck with.

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    Is “Heard it through the Grapevine” counts? Both parents alive, no scheming about inheritance or anything like that either. They are not the nicest people on earth, but for a chaebol (do they count as chabeol though? 🤔) they are tolerable despite them trying to control their teenager daughter-in-law.

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      I think the chaebol family in Wok of Love (Greasy Melo) is quite nice despite the mother’s arrogance and her trying to stop her daughter from marrying a non-chaebol. The father is definitely a good and loving person. No dirty scheming as far as I remember.

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      HITtG shouldn’t count though. His parents were plenty coniving.

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    Itโ€™s against the rules for rich people to be alive and loving.

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    Rich, healthy, loving AND alive?
    I think you’d have better luck looking for hen’s teeth. I certainly can’t think of one, although Coffee Prince is the closest.

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      the both parents alive makes this doubly difficult

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      you know.. tales of giseang – that family is VERY SORTED.. except for a minor arc in between when daddy wasn’t sure if the girl he is marrying is truly good.. but he became such an amazing father in law later on

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    What you describe is the antithesis of the kdrama premise. Lol.

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    I was literally just asking myself this question the other day whilst watching No Second Chances.
    I couldn’t really come up with anything.
    Louis’ grandma from SKL was good I think, but you can’t count that cos his parents died and also lol amnesia.
    I just skimmed through my watch list and can’t come up with anything else either…

    I actually want to see a healthy rich family for once. I know it’s the antithesis of kdrama but I still want it.

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      That’s the drama that got me thinking about too. LOL.

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      … now, my question is, would you settle for healthy emotionally or physically? I really see no way in which to have both.

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        I guess I want them to not use parental death as part of a character’s emotional makeup, and an all too often a plot point that results in noble idiocy. I want conflict to come from outside the family for once, and for a rich family to be whole, healthy, and supportive. I challenge the writers to make this happen at least once.

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          Family conflict is easy plot ~ it also gives a lot of leeway for other plot to happen, since many dramatic points would be avoided if the character had a loving family instead of needing to rely on their love interest or bromance for all emotional needs.

          Many Disney movies use this plot device as well, of character having none or only one parent in their life.

          For plot to be outside the family you need a story that relies more on multidimensional characters, or that do more world building than just the main cast of characters.

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          Sister’s in law who aren’t always bitching, children who aren’t pitted against each other in every possible way to compete for the head’s approval. Brothers who build each other up.
          Parents and grandparents that encourage and are kind.

          Although hilariously, this reminds me of a kdrama-esque family melo plot I came up with about a month ago that had the family fighting, but then had everyone in the family come together at the end and realise that their enemies are not themselves and that they’re far better together as a team, and that they’re all flawed but they’re all family and the main character was like the third or fourth child and 1st sister and she had to like go to war reluctantly with her brothers to make them pull their heads out of their asses before some external character destroyed their entire family.
          I think it has a lot of potential, despite not really fitting what egads or I want in this thread lol.

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        Wait a second there’s more pillars to a house than that. Mentally, emotionally, physically and metaphysically or spiritually as well.

        In all seriousness though, I would like to see a healthy family dynamic amongst a chaebol family. They don’t all have to be individually physically, emotionally or otherwise 100% healthy, because realistically that’s impossible, but I think you can write, and that they do exist too, a family dynamic for wealthy people that is healthy despite all of that, and if anything a family that is stronger and healthier because of that.
        I know I kind of went round your question but deal with it haha.

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    My brain just broke. Could not compute.

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    … wait, would the crazy parents in Playful Kiss count? They are rich, both alive, and loving enough that they even support their son when he decides against marrying the girl they picked out (even if they do get upset at first, and he eventually married their choice anyways).

    The mom is crazy though, and he does move out, but I felt like that was necessary growing pains as he went to college. They seem pretty stable despite momโ€™s zany antics. Oh wait, she did dress him as a girl as a child?…

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      Oh, yeah. I think they might. They are a bit strange, but they aren’t pitting their children against each other. There is no illegal and immoral business scandal with the company, and even if mom is too much with her shipping, she is (by drama standards) a supportive mom for her kids.

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    Woo Jae’s parents in My Daughter Seo Young. There’s a birth secret there, and “normal” chaebol parenting style, but they are not evil and actually quite loving.

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    Playful Kiss had a supportive chaebol family. The acting and plot however was meh.

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    does relative chabeolness count?
    I say Answer Me 1988 ๐Ÿ™‚ .. the richer family

    And tales of giseang

    What about the rich boyfriend of third sister in strange father

    playful kiss.. ofcourse (don’t say non supportive parents.. they came around to be super supportive.. you can’t have a life without discourses)

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    The doctor family in Doctors (of the bitch SFL) . They were rich enough, if not chaebols. The family was loving towards each other even if they weren’t nice people.

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    Would 49 days count? I remember both parents being super sad.. but the girl was her half sibling?

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@dramalava, explanation in the comments.

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    In the novel, the relationship between Lan Zhan and Wei Ying is definitely not just friendship, but because China has banned all homosexual content, the drama had to walk the friendship/romance line very very carefully in order for their work to see the light of day.

    That said, they did a fantastic job of bringing these two characters and the nature of their feelings for each to the screen and this is just one example.

    How did Lan Zhan recognize Wei Ying? Here we go.

    Remember in the cave after they killed the giant turtle monster and WY was exhausted and feverish, and Lan Zhan was doing his Lan Zhan magic to heal him? WY asks him to sing because the cave is too quiet.

    Lan Zhan begins singing, but we viewers are given a montage of their relationship to this point as the song plays. Itโ€™s a pretty great song btw.

    Anyways, weโ€™ve heard this before. Where? Well, in episode 2 when this happened:

    Thatโ€™s a song only the two of them know. Lan Zhan recognizes Wei Ying because heโ€™s playing the song Lan Zhan sang to him in the cave.

    Why do I say the drama did a good job of telling us that this was a romantic relationship? Letโ€™s go back to the cave.

    As Wei Ying is fading into unconsciousness, Lan Zhan tells him the name of the song:

    Wangxian

    If you read his lips, you can clearly make out that he is saying Wangxian. Lan Zhan wrote the song for Wei Ying. Itโ€™s his confession of love, and that the production was able to slip this into the drama and not have it censored is masterful. But if you hadnโ€™t read the novel, it was easily missed.

    I hope this helps.

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    Thank you so much!! I will start reading the book shortly. I appreciate the link ๐Ÿ™‚

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      You’re welcome, and welcome to the fandom. Enjoy the book, but be aware, the extra chapters have some very explicit content, so if that is not something you enjoy reading, you can easily skip that.

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Literally every man in Sweet Sweet Bodyguard is a sexist jerk, except the sweet fellow on the right. He’s pure true good, and even the Viki commenters agree with me. Tank top boy forever.

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Sadly, there was no Goblin waiting on the sidewalk to hand me a sandwich.

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Proofreaders are valuable.

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Watching I Do I Do while waiting for Graceful Family subs, and realizing that Im Soo Hyang has been waiting 7 years for their ship to sail. That is some 2FL dedication there.

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    daaaaaamn… what a good eye you have!

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    I didn’t realize Im Soo Hyang was in that show. I remembered Kim Sun ah and the ML though

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