Beanie level: Rooftop room dweller

One of the perks of rewatching and not needing to focus so much on subs is catching small moments like this. LOL at WWX flirting while a tyrant is wreaking havoc on the foundations of their world. Jiang Cheng’s face is every sibling ever.

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    I am rewatching too. I love the details. JC has been jealous even in episode 6/7. And WY already acknowledged that LZ is his equal.

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    Xiao Zhan’s expressions were always on point as WWX 😘😘😏😏😏

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I just can’t with the cuteness of this baby’s mohawk.

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Okay Beanie Collective Brain, I have a question for you that came up elsewhere: Is there a kdrama example of a chaebol family that is both loving and supportive, and alive? No vying and fighting for control of a company. No fighting over an inheritance. And importantly, both parents are alive. Birth secrets are fine as long as it doesn’t result in feuding, sending someone off to war torn Libya to be blown up, or some other scheming. What I’m looking for here is an example of a healthy, loving, alive, and rich family of a lead character in a kdrama. Give me your examples if you have them.

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    This is hard. Coffee Prince? They seemed pretty loving, even if they had a few ups and downs. I do consider them his parents.

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      Speaking of non-birth parents, I believe Hak Seo-jin’s mom and grandfather in Something about 1% are caring and loving .

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        Grandpa still pulled some weird stuff, and wasn’t there fighting about who would take over the company?

        Yes, that’s why he had to do the contract marriage. So, no 1% doesn’t fit the bill.

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    Gong Yoo’s family in Coffee Prince is loving and caring despite some relatively mild relational conflicts between the father and son.

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    WWWSK, his parents ships him with his secretary.

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    goblin …………. the chaebol family taking care of goblin..
    i am sure not all chabeol’s had all their parents dead at all times
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    ji sung’s character in kill me heal me..
    well family was healthy for him.. not for the girl..but for him all was good
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    Dan oh in extraordinary you.. when mom was alive , family was still happy
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      But that wasn’t his family in Goblin, and no matter how wonderful they were, they were on his payroll.

      EY, mom died, so nope.

      I don’t remember Ji Sung’s family in KMHM….no wait, wasn’t there some trauma with a fire and a cover up, and some kind of family coverup? Something with his mother?

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        Nah, KMHM chaebol family is crazy. They are the reason he has 7 personalities after all. And all that never ending scheming. And his dad died when he was young, iirc.

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          Nope no scheming..
          dad loved someone else and grandpa wanted dad to marry some rich girl..
          and problem at its crux was that

          wife went ahead and had an affair
          this one couldn’t find happy life (or was short lived).. hence his anger with lead female

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            That’s not exactly happy family, more like dysfunctional one.

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            Whatever his reasons, Dad locked a little girl in a basement and abused her which lead to his son developing DID and starting the fire that left dad in a coma for 20 years. Mom was useless. Grandma was cold. Lots of scheming by Uncle and cousin.

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            Egads asked for example of “healthy” family, not good toward one offspring, and even how “good” his family was toward him that he developed DID?

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          @shach @missh

          You guys are deviating from the main question

          in view of the question, the chaebol boy had a good family towards himself..
          girl was totally an external factor in light of the question

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        not family to goblin..

        i meant the chaebol family within themselves..

        EY mom died in between.. so Yes!.. you can’t just ignore the large part of her life when mom was alive

        Your question is on the person’s family right.. so ji sung’s family was not rude to him or negative.. they were bad to someone else.. and technically it is too twisted for them to be called bad people

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          But my criteria is the family of the one of the lead characters. And being to someone else outside of the family? That’s twisted in my book.

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          EY mum died off screen, and wasn’t really present in the show at all and was even erased from existence at one point so No. It doesn’t count.

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            When was her existence erased?
            No, it wasn’t

            she died.. so that’s fine.. hardly matters because we got the scenes with same age Danoh and mom-dad planting flowers.. being happy.. and overall she turned out fine

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    Fated To Love You had low drama and loving family.

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      His father died though, and wasn’t his younger brother a result of a mistress? Or is that the Taiwanese version? Loving, but there was still some drama and angst in the relationships.

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        She was the caregiver with a young son when Gun’s father left as his condition got worst. Gramdma knew but never brought it up. The mistress story was what the caregiver stuck with.

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    Is “Heard it through the Grapevine” counts? Both parents alive, no scheming about inheritance or anything like that either. They are not the nicest people on earth, but for a chaebol (do they count as chabeol though? 🤔) they are tolerable despite them trying to control their teenager daughter-in-law.

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      I think the chaebol family in Wok of Love (Greasy Melo) is quite nice despite the mother’s arrogance and her trying to stop her daughter from marrying a non-chaebol. The father is definitely a good and loving person. No dirty scheming as far as I remember.

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        Stopping marriage to non-chaebol means not supportive of child’s ability to make a life decision.

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          lol.. if that is how we are going to argue.. I dare people to quote “True Love” couples in kdramas 🙂

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        No no, her mother was insane. A shrieking, self-absorbed former beauty queen who wanted her daughter to be exactly like her and freaked out whenever she wasn’t. I hated what they did with that character.

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      HITtG shouldn’t count though. His parents were plenty coniving.

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    It’s against the rules for rich people to be alive and loving.

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    Rich, healthy, loving AND alive?
    I think you’d have better luck looking for hen’s teeth. I certainly can’t think of one, although Coffee Prince is the closest.

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      the both parents alive makes this doubly difficult

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      you know.. tales of giseang – that family is VERY SORTED.. except for a minor arc in between when daddy wasn’t sure if the girl he is marrying is truly good.. but he became such an amazing father in law later on

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    What you describe is the antithesis of the kdrama premise. Lol.

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    I was literally just asking myself this question the other day whilst watching No Second Chances.
    I couldn’t really come up with anything.
    Louis’ grandma from SKL was good I think, but you can’t count that cos his parents died and also lol amnesia.
    I just skimmed through my watch list and can’t come up with anything else either…

    I actually want to see a healthy rich family for once. I know it’s the antithesis of kdrama but I still want it.

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      That’s the drama that got me thinking about too. LOL.

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      … now, my question is, would you settle for healthy emotionally or physically? I really see no way in which to have both.

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        I guess I want them to not use parental death as part of a character’s emotional makeup, and an all too often a plot point that results in noble idiocy. I want conflict to come from outside the family for once, and for a rich family to be whole, healthy, and supportive. I challenge the writers to make this happen at least once.

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          Family conflict is easy plot ~ it also gives a lot of leeway for other plot to happen, since many dramatic points would be avoided if the character had a loving family instead of needing to rely on their love interest or bromance for all emotional needs.

          Many Disney movies use this plot device as well, of character having none or only one parent in their life.

          For plot to be outside the family you need a story that relies more on multidimensional characters, or that do more world building than just the main cast of characters.

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            A story that relies on multidimensional characters and worldbuilding? Why… who would’ve thought that good storytelling relies on… good storytelling…

            Sorry for my snark. I know that kdramas are very formulaic and use plot devices in place of actual serious writing or development a lot of the time and it is a legit issue. And not even just in kdrama.

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          Sister’s in law who aren’t always bitching, children who aren’t pitted against each other in every possible way to compete for the head’s approval. Brothers who build each other up.
          Parents and grandparents that encourage and are kind.

          Although hilariously, this reminds me of a kdrama-esque family melo plot I came up with about a month ago that had the family fighting, but then had everyone in the family come together at the end and realise that their enemies are not themselves and that they’re far better together as a team, and that they’re all flawed but they’re all family and the main character was like the third or fourth child and 1st sister and she had to like go to war reluctantly with her brothers to make them pull their heads out of their asses before some external character destroyed their entire family.
          I think it has a lot of potential, despite not really fitting what egads or I want in this thread lol.

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        Wait a second there’s more pillars to a house than that. Mentally, emotionally, physically and metaphysically or spiritually as well.

        In all seriousness though, I would like to see a healthy family dynamic amongst a chaebol family. They don’t all have to be individually physically, emotionally or otherwise 100% healthy, because realistically that’s impossible, but I think you can write, and that they do exist too, a family dynamic for wealthy people that is healthy despite all of that, and if anything a family that is stronger and healthier because of that.
        I know I kind of went round your question but deal with it haha.

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    My brain just broke. Could not compute.

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      I’m so sorry.

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        This reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend who recently started Cheese in the Trap despite me telling her not to. And she’s like “I don’t the male lead, does she end up with the other guy?”

        I’m just… have you seen a kdrama before??

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    … wait, would the crazy parents in Playful Kiss count? They are rich, both alive, and loving enough that they even support their son when he decides against marrying the girl they picked out (even if they do get upset at first, and he eventually married their choice anyways).

    The mom is crazy though, and he does move out, but I felt like that was necessary growing pains as he went to college. They seem pretty stable despite mom’s zany antics. Oh wait, she did dress him as a girl as a child?…

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      Oh, yeah. I think they might. They are a bit strange, but they aren’t pitting their children against each other. There is no illegal and immoral business scandal with the company, and even if mom is too much with her shipping, she is (by drama standards) a supportive mom for her kids.

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    Woo Jae’s parents in My Daughter Seo Young. There’s a birth secret there, and “normal” chaebol parenting style, but they are not evil and actually quite loving.

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    Playful Kiss had a supportive chaebol family. The acting and plot however was meh.

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    does relative chabeolness count?
    I say Answer Me 1988 🙂 .. the richer family

    And tales of giseang

    What about the rich boyfriend of third sister in strange father

    playful kiss.. ofcourse (don’t say non supportive parents.. they came around to be super supportive.. you can’t have a life without discourses)

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    The doctor family in Doctors (of the bitch SFL) . They were rich enough, if not chaebols. The family was loving towards each other even if they weren’t nice people.

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    Would 49 days count? I remember both parents being super sad.. but the girl was her half sibling?

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@dramalava, explanation in the comments.

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    In the novel, the relationship between Lan Zhan and Wei Ying is definitely not just friendship, but because China has banned all homosexual content, the drama had to walk the friendship/romance line very very carefully in order for their work to see the light of day.

    That said, they did a fantastic job of bringing these two characters and the nature of their feelings for each to the screen and this is just one example.

    How did Lan Zhan recognize Wei Ying? Here we go.

    Remember in the cave after they killed the giant turtle monster and WY was exhausted and feverish, and Lan Zhan was doing his Lan Zhan magic to heal him? WY asks him to sing because the cave is too quiet.

    Lan Zhan begins singing, but we viewers are given a montage of their relationship to this point as the song plays. It’s a pretty great song btw.

    Anyways, we’ve heard this before. Where? Well, in episode 2 when this happened:

    That’s a song only the two of them know. Lan Zhan recognizes Wei Ying because he’s playing the song Lan Zhan sang to him in the cave.

    Why do I say the drama did a good job of telling us that this was a romantic relationship? Let’s go back to the cave.

    As Wei Ying is fading into unconsciousness, Lan Zhan tells him the name of the song:

    Wangxian

    If you read his lips, you can clearly make out that he is saying Wangxian. Lan Zhan wrote the song for Wei Ying. It’s his confession of love, and that the production was able to slip this into the drama and not have it censored is masterful. But if you hadn’t read the novel, it was easily missed.

    I hope this helps.

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      Wangxian, if you don’t quite understand, is a combination of their names: Lan Wangji and Wei Wuxian.

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        In the BTS of this scene, Yibo asks director what the song is called.. and he gets his script and both XZ and LWJ are discussing it..

        they clearly say wangxian multiple times in their mutual discussions 😛

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    Thank you so much!! I will start reading the book shortly. I appreciate the link 🙂

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      You’re welcome, and welcome to the fandom. Enjoy the book, but be aware, the extra chapters have some very explicit content, so if that is not something you enjoy reading, you can easily skip that.

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Literally every man in Sweet Sweet Bodyguard is a sexist jerk, except the sweet fellow on the right. He’s pure true good, and even the Viki commenters agree with me. Tank top boy forever.

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These guys are not the brightest students

but they are earnest, bumbling, and sweet boys willing to do some research for their friend

and even admit that sometimes they might screw up, and want to know and be better

however, I think that research might have been too much for them because the third idiot was missing from the basketball court scene

Anyways, HIStory 3: Make Our Days Count is very light on plot so far, but I foresee some jealous ex-girlfriend shenanigans ahead, and hopefully it won’t become too annoying.

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    Lol I died laughing at these idiots. Looking at the intro song previews, I don’t think the ex will be too much of an issue.

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Sadly, there was no Goblin waiting on the sidewalk to hand me a sandwich.

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Proofreaders are valuable.

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Watching I Do I Do while waiting for Graceful Family subs, and realizing that Im Soo Hyang has been waiting 7 years for their ship to sail. That is some 2FL dedication there.

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    daaaaaamn… what a good eye you have!

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    I didn’t realize Im Soo Hyang was in that show. I remembered Kim Sun ah and the ML though

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Graceful Family Fish, episode 11 has aired now…..

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    so why hasn’t the ship sailed yet?

    Also, while I’m glad you have not made a caricature of 2nd son (yet), just throwing around the word transgender does not make for a meaningful portrayal and discussion of what it means to be transgender or queer.

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      It was vague as hell, right?

      But Wan joon used the word himself and it still did not feel right and I am kicking myself for feeling that way because from what we have seen, he is a cross dresser. He has not started in any capacity transitioning.

      OH, OH, OH, OH…maybe that is why he had that ticket for Paris.

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        Oh, I forgot about that. IDK, though, I don’t think he was on his way to do a life and/or physical transformation because he stills seems too entrenched in the MC politics. Maybe his motivations will become clearer later.

        Also, what is the oldest brother’s game? He’s been pretending to be kind of dim?

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          “Also, what is the oldest brother’s game? He’s been pretending to be kind of dim?”

          Yep. You can just tell that Wan-soo played that dim game because it benefited him. It was when he was cut off and what he saw happen to Seok-hee, he knew he had not protection and needed to start looking out for himself. I don’t think he wants any piece of the presidency, I just think he is tired of being attacked for not wanting it. He can stir the pot in other ways and start annoying the people who make a game out of doing it to him.

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      Lawyer Han is trying to leverage the reveal into a pink money business strategy… i suspect this drama will deal more fr9m the business perspective than the actual time of a transgender. Also, there is no sign so far that he is in transition.

      It will be interesting to see if the drama tackles the personal perspective before the end.

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        And she came up with that after Wan joon decided to stay. He went from finally getting out to the guilt trip from his mother and wanting to be a dickhead to his brother. When has there ever been a competition between those two. It seems it is all in Wan joon’s mind and his parents suck for putting out that narrative to him.

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Oh man, I am so on board this ship.

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Ancient family makjang on Tuesday because I don\’t like to follow rules.

Okay, I\’m a procrastinator, but rule-breaker sounds cooler.

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    Once upon a time, a young girl with little prospects and, one presumes, a healthy sense of adventure decided to sail across the Atlantic Ocean to New France. Marriage awaited Gillette in this wilderness, but she soon found herself a widowed mother at the ripe old age of 15. Well, since there was dearth of French women in this New France, only two short years later, she was married once again. Her new husband, Jacques, managed to survive and they had six more children together.

    Well, despite Jacques’ skill at staying alive (for now), he wasn’t always the best partner or father. As men have so often done, he decided their 12 year old daughter, Elisabeth, would be a fine wife for their neighbor Julien. Gillette disagreed and firmly said, “Non.” (ooh, look at my two years of college French coming in handy). I’m not sure if her Non was motivated by a dislike of Julien or less than rosy memories of her marriage at 13, but Gillette’s was not having this nonsense.

    That all settled, Gillette, being neighborly and with all her experience birthing babies, set off for a few days to help a neighbor lady with childbirth and some post-partum care. Seeing as this was before the days of hospitals, plumbing, and electricity, the new mom was probably very happy for the help. My gosh, can you imagine just dealing with the laundry?

    Jacques though, decided to take this opportunity and let Julien marry the young, and not really into it, Elisabeth. One wouldn’t want your daughter to become a spinster of 14 or 15, so I guess Jacques was just doing his fatherly duty while also dumping the responsibility to feed, house, and clothe the girl on her new husband. Bonus patriotism points for helping to populate New France, with, well, more little French people.

    Anyways, I’m sure when Gillette got home and found her 12 year old daughter gone and married against her will to a man twice her age they had one hell of a fight. At least I hope they did. But well, women’s rights being pretty much non-existent at that time, there wasn’t much Gillette or Elisabeth could do.

    Fast forward about nine months or so, and it turns out Julien wasn’t the best of husbands (quelle surprise). He’s a mean drunk who liked to use his young wife as a punching bag, and didn’t give her necessities, like, say, food.

    We know Gillette was massively pissed off by this marriage and likely became even more enraged as she witnessed the maltreatment of her very young daughter. Historical records don’t say, but I’ll assume Jacques was getting an earful about this every single day. Maybe even the New France version of the kimchi slap once in a while too. Well, I hope so. Anyway, it was Jacques and Gillette decided they needed to get Julien out of Elisabeth’s life.

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    I guess divorce wasn’t much of an option, so the three decided the best way to accomplish this was to remove Julien from New France permanently. Okay, they cooked up a plan to kill him. Well, Gillette cooked up a little batch of poisoned soup specially for her son-in-law. Family dinners can be a little tense at times, but this one, watching Julien eat spoonful after spoonful, waiting for him to clutch his throat and croak must have been particular fraught. Imagine the disappointment when this abusive jerk didn’t have the decency to die at the dinner table.

    I’d be more than little angry that my special soup wasn’t up to snuff, so it seems kind of logical that the next day when Gillette, Jacques, and Julien are arguing in the barn, an axe suddenly appeared in Gillette’s hands and found its way towards Julien’s head……a few times. He had it coming.

    With Jacques’ help, and while Elisabeth watched, Julien was quickly dispatched, and trio decided to dump him in the river. Unfortunately, a couple of Julien’s friends had happened to hear the yelling and screaming of both Julien and his in-laws “for more than an hour and a half.”* The next day, the friends searched the river for Julien’s body, went to investigate the scene in the barn, and found a bit of a gruesome mess. Teeth were mentioned. I’ll spare you the details.

    Needless to say, the authorities didn’t think using an axe was the best way to deal to with an errant son-in-law so Jacques and Gillette were sentenced to death, and Elisabeth given leniency due to her age, was sentenced to watch her parents hang, and her father be tortured on the wheel (after death) for a nice medieval flourish. Oh, and she got to wear a noose during these proceedings too, which I’m sure just added that final bit of trauma to make the whole experience that much more unforgettable. She was 13. Fun times.

    So, that is the story of how I’m descendant of axe murderers.

    By the way, the records show Elisabeth married again a couple years later, and lived a long, and hopefully peaceful and happy life.

    *Why they didn’t investigate the screaming while it was happening no one says. Maybe they thought Julien was a jerk too.

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    Sigh, French Axe Murderers.

    None of the criminals in my family lore did bad things for the sake of others. Gillette seems a vigilante hero ahead of her times.

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After years and years of working customer service, this scene made me laugh.

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Vagabond: I\’m intrigued. I won\’t say I like it because that only results in dumpster fire of a drama later on. See: MOA, WTDCYN, etc. Plus, one hour was long enough. Please take note TVN.

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My first impression of Vagabond is a good one. I haven\’t watched episode one yet, but I\’m happy to see it\’s only one hour long.

I\’ll watch later and report back.

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    My first impression, without having watched it yet, is that we should be grateful it got picked up by SBS and not TvN

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Remember when I used to watch Korean dramas almost every day?

Gosh, that seems so long ago, but it was just last week that The Untamed binge last really messed up my drama watching mojo.

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    Don’t worry, now that you’ve finished The Untamed, you’d probably be getting your kdrama mojo back soon.

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    I have not watched a kdrama since Search WWW.

    I was live watching The Untamed. It’s been about two months since I’ve watched a kdrama. And I haven’t been able to properly watch any drama since The Untamed ended. I haven’t been able to move forward nor do I want to.

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    Now that you’re done with the drama, may I interest you with the novel, audio drama, fan fiction and/or manhua? LOL Be warned that it’s BL in all its uncensored glory. 🤭😂

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      Read the novel as soon as I finished the drama. I’m not sure I’m ready for fan fiction.

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        I haven’t finished all of the fan fiction on my list either. Hehe Still on the audio dramas. LZ’s voice is so sexy. 😳🤭

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Mood:

2019 can just go away now.

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A couple of thoughts about The Great Show:

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    So, I was really, really worried about how they would handle this teenage pregnancy and the issue of abortion, but was somewhat pleasantly surprised with how it turned out. it’s not perfect. I could have done without the boxing ring and two men fighting over the “honor” of a woman. Guys, she’s not a thing. She’s not your object to have, or control, or to make decisions for. She is an autonomous human being with thoughts and actions of her very own that are deserving of respect.

    But, they did ultimately dramatize the messiness of the choices these young parents must make. AND how once a decision is made, doubts and fear still muddle nearly everything.

    I hope this storyline doesn’t become a maudlin mess.

    Oh, I also appreciated how they tackled political hypocrisy, the idol factory, and bullying.

    Her brother did disappoint me though. Bro, stand up for her at school, don’t walk away.

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    Anyone else think that Jung Soo-hyun is conversing with a sister that is dead? We only ever see the sister in her home, and only when Soo-hyun is alone. There is a tragic story there, that I’m sure will lead to noble idiocy around episodes 13-14 or so.

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Look at Lan Zhan grinning like a fool.

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    Has anyone made a compilation of every Lan Zhan smile? Oh, and every time he catches WWX?

    Honestly, I don’t know how this made it past the Chinese censors because it is so obviously a romance.

    My one quibble with the drama is that any female character of consequence was killed off. I suppose the author wasn’t quite sure what to do with them, but I had hoped to see Wen Qing again because she was so interesting. Maybe a story for a season 2?

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      There aren’t tons but here are some:




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      LZ always there to catch him ❤️




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      Wen Qing is actually a even less significant character in the novel. When the drama was filming parts of the script leaked and it was looking like that the production company was going to make her WY’s love interest. The novel’s fans got understandably mad and petitioned the company to not ruin the story for them. They even told the company that they would boycott the show’s merchandize if the company altered the story. To all the fans’ relief (and mine), the production company decided to stay true to the story, and was able to give us lots of depth between the OTP but still passing censorship.

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        I could see where there were times that it could have veered towards a romance with Wen Qing, but am really really glad they didn’t do that. First, because the OTP is perfect, and second, because Wen Qing had enough on her plate without dealing with a boyfriend.

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    This cant be easy to do. These teeny tiny movements of his face that convey so much, that we know he is smiling.

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    Last night I went to bed, firm in my resolution not to talk any more about Lan Zhan and specifically the actor.

    I wake up and there’s all these temptations on the fanwalls. I’m just gonna upvote. Nothing said, nothing said at all.

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      I’m sorry for the temptation, but that slow blink. How do you look away?

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        Thanks a lot, I’m now watching all the scenes with slow blinks, etc., and not bothering to read subs. But for me anyway, it’s adding just one more dimension I hadn’t noticed by having to read subtitles.

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          I’m sorry? No. No, I’m not. Seriously, I thought it was amazing before I read the novel, but now I can barely look at those gifs.

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            Just for a start, I won’t read the novel.

            The novel is a lot more explicit(totally expected) which of course, cannot be portrayed onscreen. In general, everyone(fans of the novel and those new ones who discovered the drama first) is happy with the drama and the portrayal. The unexpected reaction I read online was from a few who thought the drama did much better than the novel in bringing out Wangxian’s love.

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            @outofthisworld I thought you’d read the novel (?). It isn’t explicit until the extra chapters (after 113), except one part in chapter 95. But I do agree the drama brought out their love quite beautifully. If I want explicit, I know which chapters to go to. As far as the drama, it was so perfect I think even a kiss or hand holding would have taken away from the beauty. The gazes were far more sensual.

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            @linda-palapala I didn’t read the novel but when I have been checking out tumblr, I read quite some snippets.

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      Same here. Last few Saturdays have been all for Untamed.

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      @outofthisworld See your above comment re your “resolution not to talk anymore about LZ…”
      It was posted on Sept 13 – so how’s that going for you?? Ha, ha, ha. I’ve just “wasted” the last 3 days obsessing, more on DB posts and videos from the fan meet than I have watching the drama.

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    Had to post this just for fun: (from somebody’s tweet)
    Daughter: What does gays mean?
    Me: Well you know mum and dad love each other – two men can love each other the same way
    Her: So what’s ‘penetrating gays’?
    Me: Er… read me the whole sentence
    Her: “She stared at him with a penetrating gaze”
    Me: Oh

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