Beanie level: Errand boy

I’m obsessed with this pretty man. Please helpp.
*the one at the right. 😍😍💓💓🙈

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Sudden realization, what moo young needed was a park dong hoon, and his neighborhood, not a Jin Kook. ๐Ÿ™ Ji An even killed a guy and she survived. So why can\’t moo young have his redemption? :/

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    I agree, but his murder really wasn’t justifiable self defense, like how Ji-an’s was ๐Ÿ™

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What. Did. I . Just. See :/

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Loll this drama is hilarious. Please tell me why isn’t this a full-fledged drama? This also makes me think, I could totally see the 2018 version of you’re beautiful based on these boys lol.

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Omg I’m not going to watch this if they go with the original ending. 😭😭 I may have found my new crack drama after my ahjussi. 😭😭

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    What is the ending of the original though? It’s completely fine to give spoilers to me. I am just intrigued because I already know the premise. I personally thought they won’t make her the real sister in the kversion.

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      I don’t know about the ending wapz. Just the fact that they are siblings in the original was already heartbreaking for me! ๐Ÿ™
      I’m also hoping she’s not his sister in this one. Although the question remains if they can do it with sincerity and make it credible. :S

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        Also I’m avoiding any other major spoilers from the Japanese one, but would that matter anymore since we know the biggest one? Haha. I don’t understand jdrama’s obsession with sibling love. :/

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          Yes haha we already know the most importanat one but I am still expecting them to come up with a twist. Though I haven’t watched any such makjangs but I don’t think kdramas have ever made real siblings fall in love, they always add some sort of birth twist or adoption. Since, they are different in nature to j doramas in this aspect, they might not follow the same track.

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            Oh you’re right! They have their own history of birth twist/ children swap for ages, so their skills might come handy this time haha. I am also hoping that there’s some kind of major plot twist, something that will do justice to the complexity of the story!

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        Honestly, I’m kind of scared to watch this drama, because I know the ending. This might be one that I’ll wait to watch until its finished airing. Now how to avoid spoilers… Oh, who am I kidding? I’ll probably actively look for them anyways.

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I have tons of things to do, like looking into these hour-long software tutorials, but then all these new and old shows are tempting me, also how do you stop looking at a cold and distant looking Lee Je Hoon. I really really loved the premiere, the writer’s quirks seem to be there in small bits for now, but I am definitely captivated by lee je hoon’s aloof manners. Also I loved how CSB’s character doesn’t shy away from speaking her mind, even if that makes her work profile appear dangerously controversial lol. I sometimes tend to do that forgetting who is in front of me, like even if that is some high officials so I get where she’s coming from. :S

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Sometimes listening to some songs make you realize that you don\’t want to go back to that particular time or people or memory, just to that feeling those moments evoked. ๐Ÿ™

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    Are you having a hard time fay??? Or you reminiscing about the past???

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      Ah just reminiscing about the feel-good moments safeenah! I don’t think I am missing them though haha. Just you know how sometimes you just want to feel like the same way you felt before except you have lived those moments and it won’t be as fresh again? I do hope I get the chance someday though. Did that make sense? Heheh.

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        Yep it makes sense….but at least we have the memories to look back on…

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    preach!

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There were so many different emotions evoked in the movie \’Beauty Inside\’, despair, sadness, the feeling of being helpless. I was moved deeply by the traumas that the woman had to face, mainly due to the fact that she just couldn\’t stop loving the man, but at the same time the pressure, the pain of connecting to a new person, a new face was too much for her to handle. It was a fictional story, yet at the same time, it felt so real. And romantic. The silent expressions and the silent mood was persistent throughout the movie and it never lost its tempo. And needless to say, han hyo joo was magnificent as the woman who still waited for the person whose face kept changing after every night. I remember watching it and feeling as much bothered as her, wondering how I would have felt if I fell for someone like that.
Sorry for the long rant lol, but I just watched the trailer of the drama version, and I feel like the whole mood is totally lost, at least as much as I saw from the trailers. I don\’t know what tone are they going for in the drama, but the seriousness is all gone, and it feels too easy since the male lead has already figured it out it seems, the skill of recognizing her easily, which was the main challenge in the movie version. The cool colors, the furniture designer, his passion for making furnitures even with such a troubled life, and the silent deep ambience totally drew me in-, so I am feeling a bit disappointed. ๐Ÿ™ Um, maybe in han hyo joo\’s hands at least something of the movie would have remained, or maybe not. Sigh..

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    I still listen to the movie’s OST while traveling or if I’m on those moody days. Still remember Kim Joo hyuk’s scene in that one 😢

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I\’m wondering why the bot posts are getting through. There are a disturbing amount of words used in the text and sometimes even some particular words are censored when \’we\’ make any post, so why not ban these IPs too if possible? It\’s just a bit of a dampener amidst our happy kdrama discussions. :/

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    It’s *extremely* difficult to block spam posts. There are literally billions of possible IP addresses and it’s pretty easy to spoof them. I’m pretty sure the bots never use the same IP address twice. Censoring words might help, but the more words they add to the censored list, the more difficult it is for us non-bots to have a post go through. Things like recaptcha might help but I despise recaptcha and would rather just scroll past the spam posts.

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      Ah yes recaptcha could help.. but I’m really curious what caught their attention and made them come to db lol.

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        I don’t think they care what the website is, they just go everywhere. I have a couple hobby sites which no human ever sees, yet the spambots come to visit in droves. ๐Ÿ™‚

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    Itโ€™s no fun but I just ignore them. Spam bots are everywhere and unfortunately itโ€™s hard to block them. For every one blocked, 10 more pop up.

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So handsome! Um more like mature and handsome? I am already blushing just from the stills. 😍😍

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Chan isn\’t doing the drama with Kim So Hyun? But noo why?? 💔💔💔😪😪 I was only at peace with his heartbreaks on \’30 but 17\’ because he would get the girl on love alarm but not happening anymore. ๐Ÿ™ At this point I\’m wondering if he\’s making these drama decisions or his agency doing that for him? Two good offers and both rejected! I get the reason for the first one but this one i was really looking forward to. :\'(

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Life has been so good lately! The new turn of events frustrates me and agitates me, but I\’m still loving it. They are stepping up the game, and it\’s really doing wonders for the drama.
I am kind of annoyed with president Gu because of the recent events. Somehow I feel like he\’s one of those humans who do shady things at work, but a good son to their parents, kin, lovers [maybe], so people praise them..but that doesn\’t really make them good humans. So in the facade you are impressed by them, but then you realize for whom these people really work, the rich conglomerates and moneymakers, who have no ethics and no sense of morality. I don\’t know if he\’s gonna change, but I do hope jin woo succeeds in his fearless ambitious projects.

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    okay, remain faithful to their lovers*

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    I think he’s been humanized by his hospital stint, and judging by the preview for episode 12 (when so and so brought up the Ye brothers), he’s maybe now considering the implications/ethics of his actions… he’s doing these things out of duty and necessity, but it’s still BAD lol. I wonder what conclusion he’ll come to.

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Sorry for the random question lol, but I have been thinking about this a lot lately and I wanted to ask you all, maybe seeing how others face/handle this could help.
Would you step out of your comfort zone in any sector of your life [personal, professional etc.], to achieve something? Or would you think it\’s okay if you don\’t achieve it or go after it since it won\’t be easy for you? :/

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    I stepped out of my comfort zone last year when I quit my job and moved to another state. I failed miserably and am now worse off than I was when I started. I would do it again. As AWFUL as a whole hell of a lot of it was I learned that the only thing holding me back from a lot of stuff is me. And that I’m capable of getting out of my own way—even if its hard. Even if it doesn’t work out.

    It was a good life lesson.

    And I complained and whined and threw all the fits here every step of the way.

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      You are very very brave isa. ๐Ÿ™
      Like the way you say you will do it again, that means you ‘are’ on the other side of the ocean and you did it.

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      you’re who I want to be when I grow up

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      @isthatacorner I do want to ask you though, how did you handle it? I mean did you have panic attacks, or like a little voice in your head which keeps telling you how you would not be able to handle it? Lol I know there is no solution to issues like this one but I am also mad at myself for not being cool about it. 😩😔😔

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        I had panic attacks, I cried a lot. I gave up A LOT. But, this may not make a whole lot of sense but it help me: how do you even quit, anyway? And I follow that rabbit all the way down the hole. When I was in CO and I quit my train of thought went a lot like:
        I QUIT! I am NEVER looking for a stupid job in this stupid place again! Done! I’m going to binge watch a drama now!.
        If i never find a job then….
        I wont be able to pay my cable and internet bill so (no more dramas)
        I’ll get evicted from my apartment so I’ll live in my car (and have to use public restrooms. gross)
        I wont be able to pay my car payment so my car will repossessed
        So I’ll be homeless (back to this public restroom business)
        And when you’re homeless you have to ask people for money for food and such
        And I hate talking to strangers (except for when I’m in the library)
        So I’ll ultimately starve literally to death.

        I tell myself (and told myself) things will get better or they wont. Either way I have to take the next step. Sometimes, the next step is admitting defeat. I have a playlist for that! Its my ๐Ÿ™ playlist. I listen to Jason Mraz’s 3 Things (which talks about taking a breath and letting the chapter end. Its only when you do this will a new chapter begin). I listen to A Life That’s Good from the Nashville Cast to remind me that I’m not wanting something impossible and One Step At a Time from Jordin Sparks to remind me that things don’t happen all at once (this was my go-to when I was applying for grad school and not getting in) and Almost There from The Princess and the Frog OST.

        I prayed a lot. I’m still in that place. I’m still in recovery mode as my life is STILL a disaster and I have NO IDEA how to fix it or what to do next and I would very much please like someone else to be in charge for awhile because I am screwing up all the time and I’d like to see what its like when things dont suck—just for comparisons sake.

        But–knowing everything thats happened this past year? Would I do it again? In spite of all of the ugly sobbing that occurred? In spite of the hits that my self worth and self esteem took? In spite of the fact that I was almost practically kidnapped by an insane person would I do it again? Yes. I don’t regret going on my big adventure as awful as it turned out to be because I learned a lot about myself. And I honestly learned a lot about who my friends are and aren’t and who I can turn to when the chips are down.

        Dude. Why do you have to be cool about it? Where is it written that you have to be cool about it? I have been a HOT FREAKING MESS about this ENTIRE thing. There were days where I literally sat on the floor in my pajamas and sobbed. All day. Thats it. I got up to use the restroom. I didn’t eat. I didnt drink. I just sat on the floor and sobbed until I had no more tears and I did that dry sobbing/gagging thing that always makes me feel like I’m going to throw up.

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          Thank you so much for sharing Isa. I think next time whenever I will have doubts or panic attacks I will come back here and read your post again and again. ๐Ÿ™

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    @fay17
    This is a good question and one I’ve been asking myself lately. I think that I will regret if I DON’T step out of my comfort zone to go after that which makes my heart sing.

    It has been said many times that on their deathbeds, many people don’t regret the things they did, but the things they DIDN’T do.
    Go for it! Try so you won’t have that regret!
    fighting!!!

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      Thank you so much @stpauligurl! I think you are completely right. Also knowing that a comfort zone exists, that means I have a lot of unconscious fear, so I guess no other way to overcome the fear than to embrace it.:/

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        I don’t know if this will help, but 11 years ago, I left my home, family, and job to move across the states and back to my hometown to take care of my aging parents. It was really scary and I didn’t know what I was doing – but it was the BEST decision I ever made.
        I was lucky and got to be with my parents when they died. It is the one thing in life that i have NO regrets about.
        So just try it!!!

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          Wow you are mentally very strong. It’s an incredible feat to leave your job and family altogether, so I think that’s really commendable. I mean at this stage, when I am kind of struggling with my own limitations, I feel like I didn’t learn anything all these years at all lol. So I really give value to the people who can perform at times of need [and take major decision like this one] when they need to do so. Thank you for sharing dear. I can imagine how being there for your parents at that time gave you the strength to overcome anything. My mom still misses my granny so much cause she wasn’t near her when she died, so I know how precious the experience is.

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            I miss my mom and dad every single day – but I’m surrounded by things they loved and photos of them, and I know that they are in my DNA so they aren’t really gone.
            However, when I see dramas about elders with Dementia it breaks my heart – but I’m still glad and would do it again.
            So go for it @fay17! Try stepping out of your comfort zone – at least once to see how it feels.

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            I bawled my eyes out watching Go Back couple and how Jang Nara missed her mom. You are so incredibly strong, brave and positive, I hope I can persevere to be some of that at least. Just makes us realize how precious people and memories are.

            @stpauligurl Thank you for all the cheers and words of encouragement dear. 😊😊 Let’s see, I hope I can go for it. *Nervous laughs.

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    True, to actually being able to pull it off should be a success in itself. And a karaoke career, wow! Sounds really awesome Tim!

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    It is really hard for me to step out of my comfort zone. There has been more times I’ve regretted not stepping out than doing so. I’ve taken a couple steps that have worked out well for me.
    But, know yourself. I’m an introvert and sometimes I feel like people do not understand that I do recharge and thrive on alone time. Sometimes I am just being shy and in my comfort area, but other times it is where I need/want to be.
    But I agree with taking the chance.

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      Oh when you are totally fine or at peace with where you are, it should be okay though right? My problem is if I don’t get out of the comfort zone I know I would regret it, but then again I know the fears that come with taking the chances. Heck, even thinking about it is stressful I guess. 😅

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    Ohh. Sorry I missed the pun haha. And yeah I totally agree. Like the director of ladybird says lol, ‘my love for direction is greater than my talent’.

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    I’ve done it twice & my only suggestion is that you plan it out carefully. Be sure that XYZ is what you want to do, as well as what your first few steps need to be. Other than that, have the resolve to face the consequences without regret. Not everyone who tries, succeeds. But those who succeed, only do so because they tried.

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      I think many of the people who succeed fail many times on the way to their success. Part of it is how they handle the failures along the way.

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        Most definitely.

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        There’s a really nice twitter hashtag called #ShareYourRejections – which serves to show just how normal rejection is. It’s my very fave thing on Twitter.

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          (rejection, mistakes, failure all being the same side of the same coin – apologies for responding in three parts) ^^

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      I don’t know what I’m gonna do, but I am really taking into consideration each and every bit of advice, so do know that this really helps. I really needed this I guess. Thank you!

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    I think stepping out of your comfort zone is one of the ways you grow and change as a person. Whether it works out well or not, you learn more about yourself. It might help if you have some healthy coping skills ahead of time – whether it’s exercise, meditation or something else that helps you relax and deal with stress.

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      That growing and changing part is definitely something that I am looking forward to the most. Thank you so much for the precious words!

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    My karaoke career is stopped by the thought of it being a win-lose. Win for me, lose for any unfortunate listeners.

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    I recommend trying two thought experiments.
    One is to imagine what you would tell your best friend to do if she asked you the same question.

    The second is to try to project how I feel after I’ve made each of the choices, say maybe a week later and a month later (get creative; sometimes you will know 5 minutes after you choose, or you want to think about a year later). You choose to step out, how do you feel? You choose to remain in place, how do you feel? Write down the feelings like you would a pro/cons list. It may make something clear. For example, once I thought about how I’d feel after I resigned my job, I realized I was already soooo gone from that job in my mind, that was my answer.

    And then here’s a weird suggestion, watch “Moana” if you haven’t seen it lately. It’s really good for thinking about having to step out of your comfort zone. Good luck!

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      Very good suggestions! I’m much grateful to all of you, really.
      This is actually such a big step that my answer keeps changing at different occasions lol. But for now, I have decided to take a deep breath and go with the flow.
      I haven’t watched Moana, will sure do so. Many many thanks again for the words.

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Omg I have a new bias. <3 __<3 🙈🙈😂😂Call me shallow beanies all you want, but those veins. 😍😍🙈🙈

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    I just watched this yesterday! It was cute and I liked the heroine a lot. I first watched him in Kurosaki kun no Iinari ni Nante Naranai with Nana Komatsu. 😁

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      I loved the movie too and became a fan of nakajima kento in the process lol. So much that I binge watched the movie you mentioned in one go, all 3 episodes of it. 🙈😅 Although it was a bit questionable but I have to say the main leads had amazing chemistry! I really hope they appear in some other movies in future!

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Okay, the sheer absurdity of meteor garden\’s last few episodes [30-33] deserves a mention. I think I had enough of shancai\’s stupidity. I mean considering how much of a brat dao ming si is, I still have to give it to him for sticking to her all these time lol. It has been 33 episodes already and it took her that long to realize that she loves him.
And to leave him just for her friends, well I acknowledge that she had her reasons but she could have still explained the situation to him, not just leave him like a coward.
And I think I had enough with Lei as well. I am still puzzled whether Lei actually liked Shancai or meant it when he said he took all these attempts to reunite shancai and Dao Ming Si. And what in the earth was all that about when he made shancai turn off her phone for 48 hours?
Also enough with the monkey girl and her bitchiness too. I mean she claims to be a friend of shancai and then right in front of her outright lies about Dao Ming Si liking her. Such a two-faced person geez!
And I think they could have totally avoided caina and terence\’s bullsh*t loveline or whatever that was. I fast forwarded most of it, and dang, even watched some of the craps because of poor Mei Zuo.
Although I did enjoy episode 30-33 because of all the angst and misunderstanding, I do admit I was quite pissed at shancai. And to think that at the end it was again Dao Ming Si who came running to her, and not the other way around. I mean I don\’t think I would have stayed for her after all the confusion and stress she caused, made him go through. The least she could do is at least confess properly how she felt for him but that never happened either. Watching the last several episodes made me feel like I was part of their story and I am emotionally quite drained now myself lol. 😅😅

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    Thank you for voicing my dissapointment on Shancai. Shancai/Ahsi are going strong in the next episodes but I already lost interest. Don’t expect too much from side characters’ new story line (read: Xiao you/Ximen), theirs are even worse.
    Seriously, I wouldn’t be able going trough meteor garden without shooting stars beanies.

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      Haha, I’m still invested because of the OTP. I have to admit even with all the absurdities, like dao ming si’s tyrant mom, terrence-caina, ximen,xiayou’s love line [about which I couldn’t care less], I am still here because it has the old school kdrama vibe that we don’t see a lot these days. :/ Hehe.

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I love gangnam beauty, I really do but, this constant fascination about how pretty mi rae or so ah are is totally pissing me off. In school honestly people are more appreciated or even popular because of how talented that particular person is. I agree that favoritism and star culture exist in schools as well, but rather than focusing on prettiness, people are more favored because of how good they are in projects or if they stand in the merit list.
The way this show has been looking down at girls, and like I totally blew a fuse when on the last episode an average figured girl, [who is totally perfect let me tell you], got slammed by these disgusting guys in her class, and the girls just do nothing about it! I also find it furious that mi rae looked so guilty when that A$$ from her middle school turned up and called her names. It was not her fault in the first place for however she looked and heck, to hell with anyone who thinks that bashing based on people\’s looks is okay! This is totally uncalled for and the message this writer has been constantly trying to deliver just really is discomforting for me, somehow. I don\’t know how long I will continue this one, I mean I agree mirae and do kyung seouk together look very good, but I can\’t just close my eyes to the fact that there has been some kind of beauty worshipping going on here. At this point, I wished the writer had the guts to not change mi rae\’s face and just made it about her and her original face and then do kyung seok liking her.

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    What message do you think the writer is trying to deliver?
    I thought the message was that those people who judge others based on their looks are mean and dumb. Also, I thought the writer was trying to show that being beautiful won’t solve your problems.

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      You know I do realize that the writer was trying to project that it’s soul over beauty that matters. But in the process, he/she is actually giving more emphasis on the ugly details, IMO. Like it has been episode 6 already and all we have seen in the campus is how the girls are being looked down upon. So for example, if you want to protest against crime, then you would try to convey the message. If you keep showing only the crime scenes, keep giving the gore details and how wrongly the victim is being abused, without putting the emphasis on the wrongdoings, then the impact of justice is kind of lessened down, that’s what I feel. So in the same way, we get to see on a continuous basis about how mi rae used to be the epitome of ugliness. Her insecurities and traumas are being constantly mentioned. Likewise, the other girls and their imperfections are one of the major parts of the show. So it’s like showing a murder scene in details by making all the right impact but not saying how reaching the end goal [that is punishing the killer] is more important. That’s my main beef with this show, tbh. :S

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Did any of you ever have to take care of kids? My sister is out of town and I have to take care of her 10 years old boy and 7 years old girl and I think, this is it. They are small devils #$%@$^^@^ that comes in cute packages but I\’m about to lose my sanity and all my hair very soon. *Breathing in, breathing out. 😭😭😭๐Ÿคง๐Ÿคง

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    make them watch Song of the sea!!! it’s about siblings and magic and my 6yo cousin wants to watch it with me all the time ever since I showed it to her.

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      I keep hearing ‘No’ a lot. Go to sleep, no, take shower, nope, do your homework, nope.😢😅😅 At this rate, wondering who’s the kid here. ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ

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    At least theyโ€™re old enough so you donโ€™t have to change their pooped diapers hahaha 😂

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      Lol now it seems like that was a happier phase. 😂😂

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    I donโ€™t hate kids but taking care of them is another story. 😄

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      Exactly! They are great as long as you stay at least 5m away from them. 😅😅

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    All i learned from taking care of my siblings kids is not to take them where it costs money. Keep them at home and playing with their own toys. 😅😅😅

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      I don’t know where they should be left at. Near their parents and that’s how it should be. 😅
      Sweet talks don’t work in their case. ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ

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        I know.** See even my sense of grammar is affected lol.

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        Keep them at their house. Spent a lot of money when i took my niece and nephew at the nearest mall. *neveragain unless my sister is with me* 😂

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        Maybe you should see what their interests are and keep them occupied in them however long you need to watch them.
        Or have a movie marathon. My nephew is an avid Star Wars fan.
        So that was helpful one time.

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    My boys are the same age. I donโ€™t know how I survive daily.

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      I hope your boys grow up soon! I am amazed by all moms really. This is a gigantic task, almost like rearing animals. 😩 It’s very much possible that I will leave my kids at my neighbor’s doors if I ever have them. 😅

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        I just try to keep them busy. During the summer we are always off doing something. Just keeping them home makes it worse!

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    Kids are crazy and wonderful. Hope you got some rest afterwards? *Hugs* Wish I could’ve helped!

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    Put them on a schedule that they make up. They want control, but you can still get them to do what you need them to do. Give them rules. You can put play time for as long as you want, but these things have to happen (brush teeth, shower, bedtime, etc.) Use a timer. That way they feel like they control the schedule and have done indepedence. They donโ€™t want to be treated like babies st this age and ordering them what to do and when to do it makes them feel like you donโ€™t respect them and that theyโ€™re infants or toddlers. This may be late, but maybe youโ€™ll get to talked care of them again!

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https://mydramalist.com/article/how-are-you-human-too-breaks-the-laws-of-robotics-0731182712

A very interesting write up on the premise of AYHT. I didn\’t know about Asimov\’s 3 laws of robotics and the short story on a robot named speedy seems really interesting which I plan to read soon. But the writer has made some really interesting observations and in the process mentioned some of the issues I had with this drama. Check it out if those who are watching the show have time. ๐Ÿ™‚
But regardless like the writer I also agree, in the end, it\’s a good show, just with some glaring inconsistencies. Some words from the post that are food for thought.
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While the writer should be free to do what he wants, he should also be consistent within his own universe. The problem I have with this show, as much as I like it, is that we\’re told Shin has to follow rules, then he\’s made to break those rules. It doesn\’t even appear that the writer did this to show that Shin is growing and changing. Often, Shin will follow some rules and break others, meaning the author is picking and choosing when the rules apply and when they don\’t.

If Shin has to follow a set of rules similar to Asimovโ€™s, then sentience should not result from the paradoxes he faces; he should be running in circles. They could have solved this problem before it even existed by directly stating that Shin is not beholden to all rules and directions. If heโ€™d started sentient, there would be no issue, but because he doesnโ€™t, issues are unavoidable. Asimovโ€™s laws (and by proxy, the laws governing NS3\’s actions) are fundamentally broken and were meant to show the pitfalls of trying to codify morality, but AYHT?โ€™s writer seems not to have understood that these laws arenโ€™t viable. It looks to me that telling his story while following the laws got too hard, so he jumped ship and forgot about the whole thing. That is not good writing.

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    Oh snap. I actually have a copy of the book lying around. I think I will read it before watching the show. Gonna save the article for future reference too.

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    This is how I see it: Shinnamon was like an obedient kid at the beginning of the show. He liked to follow the rules because it made Laura and David happy so he always followed them. However, once he got to Korea and met SoBong, he started to rebel a little. He sometimes did what he wanted to do instead of always going by the rules. I think of this as his rebellious teenage phase. Now, after almost being forced to kill people and overriding manual mode he is questioning the “rules” even more and is becoming an adult.

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      This is what the show is going for. Like @fay17 I just don’t see it myself. But, yes, that’s what the writers are trying to say.

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    I have a lot of problems with the show and its writing. But my problem is the opposite of yours. I see Shin as constantly following his program even when the show wants us to believe he isn’t. So while I see self-awareness and sentience, I don’t see consciousness or a determination to break his programming.

    It’s like the scene on the roof with Sobong. Everyone was like “love conquers all!”. All I saw was an AI fighting what was essentially a hack and finally succeeding by reverting to its core programming directive i.e. hug a person who’s crying.

    It’s also like his ‘relationship’ with Sobong. He was programmed as a replacement child. That is, he was programmed to unconditionally support and obey one person. He simply shifted from his mother to Sobong. He wasn’t ‘rewriting his program’. He was simply obeying a new master.

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      I totally agree with you that this was what he was doing. Especially as this situation was hitting both of his core rules: hug someone who cries & protect Sobong.

      I also really like that he’s obeying a master who tells him to break the rules every now and then – and so he does. Which must be a total mindfuck if you’re an AI.

      That said: if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, who’s to say it’s not really a duck? I do also like Sobong’s interpretation that actions are what matters.

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        I do too. Or rather, for me, it’s that as a person we have to respond to his behaviours as we do to a person’s because the alternative is to pick and choose when we behave like a human being.

        This is the classic paradox of Cartesian dualism – we can’t see a person’s consciousness, we can only see their behaviours. If Shin behaves like a person with emotions then that’s how he should be treated.

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          And I haven’t heard the term Cartesian dualism since I did a few philosophy courses at Uni a while back.

          Gotta love dramas that tell interesting stories and also inspire interesting debates.

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            I remember it well. It’s on my long list of “things that underpin our conception of the world that are wrong”.

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      @leetennant Haha I really want to take part in Cloggie and your conversation except that I feel like you are talking about some maths I don’t understand. ๐Ÿ˜›
      I do know that I agree with the writer whose post I shared. I also agree with what you said too. Especially last part of your statement,
      ‘All I saw was an AI fighting what was essentially a hack and finally succeeding by reverting to its core programming directive i.e. hug a person whoโ€™s crying.’
      And , this, ‘He simply shifted from his mother to Sobong. He wasnโ€™t โ€˜rewriting his programโ€™. He was simply obeying a new master.’– Exactly, but I wouldn’t say he developed sentience, rather maybe all along all he did was mechanically acting according to his programmed version and maybe breaking the rules whenever possible.
      Although erm, just cause he looks like a human, is he a human? I don’t think he is, :S. Like the writer of the original post said, if this was a fantasy I think I would leave my brain out of the door and digest anything that has been said and done by nam shin III, but they say it’s a Sci-fi, and that’s why when the rules are not being followed and kind of convoluted it’s hard to buy the logic behind it or the reality of the story. Like Ioved Edward Scissorshand and although he was a robot, we knew he was created with the function of love, so it seems like we were in another kind of make-believe world. So we already knew we were not supposed to ‘question’ the algorithms the laws were based upon. But that’s not the case here.

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        Like I loved.*

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        It’s common for people to use the world ‘sentience’ when they mean ‘sapience’ so it can cause some confusion. Sentience just means that he has senses – that he is able to perceive what is happening in the world around him and respond to it. Sapience is the ability to think and to reason. Common wisdom is that every animal is sentient but only humans are sapient.

        So NSIII is sentient but is he sapient? That’s the question.

        The show was quite clever to bypass that question completely by saying “it doesn’t matter whether NSIII is conscious or has emotions, what matters is how he behaves”. NSIII is not a human, nor does he have feelings. But since he looks and behaves like a human then, for the purposes of how we treat him, it doesn’t actually matter.

        Both this show and Westworld are trying to frame an android’s programming as a kind of childhood – it’s the basis of all our behaviours and we’re bound by it whether we want to be or not – but in the end we grow up and are able to amend that programming or re-enforce it if we choose. But whereas I think Westworld is pulling it off, I don’t think this show is.

        We can argue about why that is, but for me it’s because it’s too busy being a kdrama.

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          Wiki says sentience means the capacity to feel, perceive or experience subjectively..the ability to feel, which is different from the ability to think, that is sapience. Thanks for the heads up about sapience, but , is nam shin a sentient either? Because we know he understands the emotions but he can’t feel them right?
          The show was quite clever to bypass that question completely by saying โ€œit doesnโ€™t matter whether NSIII is conscious or has emotions, what matters is how he behavesโ€. – True, but when he makes interesting questions like, I feel like I must stop you from going to human nam shin, is this jealousy? I don’t understand how that works for him really. Also grandpa tells him to keep it a secret that he has dementia, but he gives it away to young hoon and so bong in time of emergency like humans would do, so it does seem like the writer applies and creates new rules whimsically without giving any explanation why the robot is working this way.
          But I didn’t know about this concept that animals are sentient beings, and have some level of consciousness. Very interesting indeed!
          I haven’t heard of Westworld but I will check this out, thanks for the name! I think you are right about this drama is being too busy being a kdrama lol, but still, I commend the writer for trying to do something different. ๐Ÿ˜€

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      I hope both of you still read the original post!

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        Just realised the MyDramaList post uses sentience incorrectly throughout too. *sigh*. It’s a good post though. Thank you for linking to it!

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    Love a mention of Asimov anywhere. I’ve grown up on Asimov and his Laws and reasonings.

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      I discovered him in childhood but then was scared of the too high thoughts lol. I think it’s time to take a second look. Would love to get some recommendations from you about where to start!

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        Hmm it depends on whether you are more into robots or space-travel.

        My own personal favorites are the four volumes of robots series:
        Caves of Steel
        Naked Sun
        Robots of Dawn
        Robots and Empire

        And there are lots and lots of robot short stories, or just futuristic ones, most of them very good.

        For non-robotic themes The Lucky Starr series is kind of a simple young adult space-travel series.
        Pebble in the Sky
        and
        Stars Like Dust
        are space-based too.

        There is a whole series named Foundation which Asimov later listed chronologically based on their story-lines, including most of other stories he had written. As a whole series it is quite daunting but each book can be read and enjoyed by itself.

        Now that I think more about it, I’m nearly certain that the best place to start is the short stories and the Lucky Starr series. It is better to get the high thoughts in smaller doses 😁😁

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Yes, I agree. 😩😕

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Dear D, is it possible to remove this huge photo of Seungri from the site? I do get it\’s just an ad, just that it\’s starting to get on my nerves. Sorry for complaining. ๐Ÿ™

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    Its so annoying….I thought I was the only one who felt bothered by it

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    Is there a reason for this complaint that I’m not understanding? Is it more annoying than the Lee Jong Suk eating chocolate one? To me they are just ads. I scroll down immediately.

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      Yeah, is there some problem with this guy or something? I don’t know much about him, but this is much better than the ad with the wrist grab that stayed up for days. The ads don’t come up very big on my page so maybe that’s why I’m not bothered by them?

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        Though I must confess, I just have to read the Donkey Milk Water Drop Cream every time! 😂😂😂 I don’t even know what it means but I lol every time!

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          Lol right?! I have no idea how they come up with this stuff!!! 😂😂😂

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      I never get the LJS eating chocolate one lol. At this point, I would even love to see a new ad. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Btw I know nothing about the guy so that’s not it. I’m also mentally bothered about something so that also could be the reason for the nagging. Sorry if that makes no sense.

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