Beanie level: Noble idiot

Finally, on the identitity of RC…I ended up feeling very underwhelmed. We all knew who he was at this point, and the fact that he seemed to have nothing to justify himself other than ‘I was angry’ made everything all the more…meh.

I mean, I was 100% with JH when he called seonbae out on coercing EH to commit murder. Bc that is straight up what he did, and I am still furious about it. If he was so angry at all the villains in the world, he could’ve gone and got his hands dirty himself, not drag someone so young and weak to suggestions into it.

I honestly wish JH had brought it up again after the second arrest, bc I cannot stand how seonbae never even seemed sorry about it. The story has informed me that he must’ve been sad when EH died, but I sure didn’t see any sadness. All I saw was guilt and rage and self-righteousness.

In that aspect, RC is hardly different from stepmum.

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    I disliked the ending. It was incredibly rushed as if they had hoped for an episode extension. For a drama that had made every word every person uttered important the final episode was a mess. I couldn’t believe that RC only started this because of his brother, he looks more ruthless than that, and it was a blatant plothole that he only took Siwan and WK’s cases and the rest was EH. We saw that EH has an alibi.
    The plottings against RC were childish, and the little sister mystery answer seemed dumb. Red Cry arrest was anti-climatic to say the least, and the stepmother storyline was completely unsatisfactory. I would have been ok if we got no backstory on JH, but the way we did was quite dismissive and doesn’t add up to his behaviour either. I am really disappointed.

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      Same, same. I briefly went over my problems with the ending here but I was also disappointed at how we’d gotten so many hints at a deeper backstory for both JH and SY only to get them waved off. The writing quality changed after EH died. I honestly wish the writer had just kept him as RC and spent the final eps exploring the main characters, instead of dragging out the mystery. It’s like the writer had different backstories planned in the beginning, then changed their mind when they realised they didn’t have enough time to address them.

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Also, I know most of the finale was about WK and RC, but honestly? JH made the ep for me. He’s not my fave for nothing, but this ep just cemented it.

First, he truly redeemed himself for unfairly accusing WK in ep 13-14. This time, he really did trust her to the end. He knew exactly who she was messaging but didn’t call her out on it. Instead, he asked her to be honest when he asked what she’d do, and then simply asked that she call if thought she was on the edge. My boy, my son, I am so proud. When he thanked WK for not going there and said that if he saw another EH, it’d be hell for him too, I just 😭 (on that note, I’m glad he’s understood EH made him do it on purpose, and seems to have come to terms with it now) (also, apparently JH’s idea of comfort is to stand by your side while you cry like son 😂 a hand on the shoulder won’t kill you)

Second, I outright squealed when JH told his senior not to touch any of his kids LIKE HE JUST CALLED SY ONE OF HIS KIDS OKAY, LOOK HOW FAR WE HAVE COME. All I want is JH being a grumpy papa bear and raising SY into a proud lieutenant to take his place one day, alright, that is all that I ask. Also wouldn’t complain if he convinced her to send her stepbrother a restraining order.

Third, it was left far too late in the show imo, but I was so happy to hear how JH opened up thanks to his interactions with Ha-Na (adopt her, please). I was actually really surprised there wasn’t more to his backstory (sleeping in a bath tub bc being in pain helps you not think? love of rod until middle school? boy how r u normal), but hey, the baby’s clearly happier than how he started unlike some ppl so I’m happy he’s happy.

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    JH was my favorite character too, and it was disappointing that the emotional tension between him and WK vanished in the latest episodes.

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      I didn’t feel any emotional tention between those two. He decided he would trust her but needed to remind her that he won’t judge her if she wavered this time, it just will make him sad because he could loose a friend. I don’t understand shippers either. There was no romantic involvement between anybody. In life when dealing with issues like this you don’t think about romantic relationships, you try to live.

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        I didn’t ship them romantically. But there was a definite emotional link between them due to her finding in him the only person who believed her, and his seeing her apparent illusions proving his own theories on the murders, and both of them caring too much for the cases. And this link created tension when he doubted her, when he trusted her, and when he feared for her life. But in the few last episodes this link and tension completely disappeared.

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          It didn’t disappear though – EH’d chosen WK to target to get killed, because he knew about this special bond JH and WK have. He was a brilliant observer. JH found out what it feels like to kill someone and he decided he doesn’t want to loose another person like that he didn’t trust fully ( he understood that he cannot even trust himself in difficult times) and leave her personal space – the same with his co-worker just he showed her she has his support in anything she does but she needs to think properly and not blind herself with hate, guilt or rage.

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            I know. That scene with EH was brilliant. That is probably why I sorely missed it right after. Overall JH was a perfectly written and acted character. In fact I started live watching for the first time because of him. After reading recaps up to episode 9/10 his character compelled me.

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        Lol, speaking on behalf of my fellow shippers, I don’t think any of us assumed there was a romance already there, just that there was a potential for something more in the future. I think ppl like me tend to ship pairs like WK and JH bc we’re drawn to that emotional attachment, especially in hard times. Some ppl look for fireworks, some ppl look for deep roots. To each their own!

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          I just liked them together 😄 Friends or lovers, any way they prefer it!

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      I totally get where you’re coming from. I felt sad bc the bond between WK and JH in the first half of the show is what drew me to livewatch. I don’t think it totally disappeared (also, super happy to see they seem to be keeping up their friendship), but I was sad at how it was no longer in focus.

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Re: Children of Nobody / Red Moon, Blue Sun finale

I regret live-watching. Lol, random thing, but while I meant to watch, sleep, then wake up in time to comment w/ everyone else, I ended up being so haunted I stayed up the whole night struggling to put my feelings into words. I am still struggling lol, but I figure I need to get my biggest complaint out of the way first.

There were many things I loved about this ep, and some things I didn’t. Unfortunately, my opinion on this as an episode is dwarfed by how dissatisfied I am with it as an ending.

So much time was spent ‘solving’ the 2 mysteries everyone had already figured out, while other plot threads were brushed over or ignored. The writer seemed more invested in making the drama’s moral themes come full-circle than its characters’ trajectories. It irks me even more bc they took their sweet time getting here, only to attempt a hasty wrap up in the last 20 min. I wasn’t waiting for a well-rounded ending, but I certainly didn’t expect to feel like someone had hung up on me mid-conversation.

I’ve always said JH was my fave, but now I wonder if he’s the writer’s too, bc he’s really the only character whose arc came to somewhat of a conclusion. Is everything going to be okay with SY just bc JH told her not to meet her brother alone? Is Eun Seo’s dad seriously gonna leave her in WK’s custody? And red herrings are fair play, but you can’t just pretend they never existed. Was there no investigation at all into Haemil????

Most of all, I cannot stand how we left WK possibly more broken than she was at the end of the first episode. Like, sure, she hung onto her morals. She’s trying to see where the future takes her. But she’s still suffering, on the outside looking in as the rest of her family heals without her.

Honestly, I think I would’ve been happier if they’d ended the ep when JH asked her about her stepmother and she said that life is full of possibilities. But they just had to put her walking away with that eerie music to insert that sad and disturbing title drop, and I just…argh. I did not go through all these episodes just to end with WK as isolated and haunted as ever, okay.

I need her in therapy.

With a non-manipulative therapist.

OG!SK does not qualify.

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    I thought it was going to end as Cha Woo Kyung becoming the next Red Cry…which would have been much more interesting than the “safe” actual ending.

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Also, I actually laughed out loud when WK basically accused herself on JH’s behalf, launching super harsh accusations against herself while JH was like ‘I, uh…I didn’t exactly say that?’ next to her on the bench. She’s so guilty rn it’s hilarious. Like, what next, WK?

‘Do you have a problem with me checking my phone, detective? Do you possibly think that I may be messaging someone I shouldn’t be right now? I see, so you think I’m secretly in correspondence with Red Cry, is that it? If you’ll remember, detective, I told you that I get a lot of spam.’

Like, Woo-Kyung, I love you, but…please, never join the NIS. The country would go to ruin.

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While I kept yelling ‘noooooooo, WK! nooooooo!! it’s not worth it!! please just bloody tell JH!!’, I have to admit I also snorted more than once at the irony.

Once upon a time, WK very transparently told JH about her message to RC, only for JH to read the situation completely wrong and react the worst possible way, with a passive-aggressive switch to more distant honorifics + accusations she hadn’t told him everything she knew (yes, the boy was on edge from constantly defending her innocence to his colleagues, but still.)

Now though, WK is actually hiding messages from RC, and being super duper obvious with her fidgety fingers and wound-up snappiness, all while JH remains perfectly amicable if not downright placating when WK gets all touchy and upset over things he did not say.

JH definitely knows something is up tho. I saw him eyeing those guilty hands. He knows WK better and is reading the situation properly now. But why he isn’t saying something is beyond me.

Does he trust her to tell him if he needs to know? Is he trying to give her a chance to come clean first before pushing? Does he plan to just watch and figure it out??? JH can be so manipulative when he wants to be that it freaks me out when he’s hard to read.

Honestly, I just kinda wanna hit him over the head with a broom for being an accusative jackass when there was nothing, and sitting on his hands now when there is very clearly something.

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Just got to watching the latest Children of Nobody ep, and honestly waiting for the finale is giving me major anxiety.

I mean, I’m happy that GGD=OG!sis was confirmed (but alas, no half-sister SK) but at this point it was too obvious to really feel satisfying. Though I am delighted I was right about Shi-Wan being a parallel for WK, bc that was the biggest reason I was convinced about the GGD=sister connection from the beginning. That said, WK’s backstory feels far from over. What happened to dad? Why did stepmum blame WK for it? I’m also leaning towards stepmum not actually being responsible for GGD’s demise, bc it’d be too easy if all dad was guilty of was covering it up. After all, we never saw who beat GGD that night.

But the real cause of my anxiety is that I don’t see how everything will be wrapped up properly. How in the world is the writer going to fit in the rest of WK’s backstory, JH’s backstory, SY’s backstory, RC’s backstory and how it ties into the backstories of EH and the other boys, JH investigating seonbae, WK being in contact with RC (girl seriously, u got what u want, now pls tell JH), WK’s fallout with her stepmum, and who knows what else into the space of an hour???

I had every confidence in the author until now, but the fact that so much has been left for the finale makes me uneasy. This show’s been so well-written for so long, I’d hate for the ending to let me down. At the same time, I just can’t see how it could work at this point without leaving a lot of hanging plot threads.

(Unless they’re setting up for a season 2? Bc honestly, I’d be totally down.)

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    I really hope they’re not setting up for a season 2. If any show needed to be self-contained, this was it. I can’t believe how faultless the writing has been so far – they even managed to make underwear PPL work with the plot. I’m tentatively thinking this may be the best show of 2019 – and in January too! I hope it brings it home.

    PS while I think it’s probably the Dad killed WK’s sister, I think there’s a real chance that WK accidentally killed her sister. And that twist would throw everything up in the air. Seriously, next episode would explode if that was the case.

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Just watched ep 1 of Liver or Die / What’s Wrong Mr Poong Sang and I’m so happy bc it’s so much better than I expected.

I’m so glad PS isn’t a hopelessly devoted idiot who lets his sibs walk all over him and get away with murder, but a genuine authority figure who yells and who tells them off and rants ‘is this how I raised you?!’ when they rebel. I’m so glad that his sibs genuinely care about him and know he’s done a lot for them- they just don’t recognise how much, and aren’t as appreciative as they should be. I honestly thought I’d hate at least one of them, but every single one has their charm bc they all care about each other & PS in their own way. (Actually, I’m surprised to find the main chara I dislike the most rn is PS’s wife lol.)

Spoilers for the 1st ep below:

I was so confused about the English title but now it all makes sense and I just 😭😭😭. Of course Poong Sang is doing the same thing his father did, not letting anyone know about his illness bc he doesn’t want to take any of his siblings’ livers. I do wonder if he’s so careful to hide it bc he thinks his siblings would offer him their livers in a heartbeat considering all he’s done for them, or if it’s bc he’s secretly afraid they wouldn’t even offer (not that PS would accept, but still, oof). Either way, they’ll no doubt find out anyway.

Most of all, I love how this drama is brimming with so much heart. Every interaction between our main cast is full of meaning, giving us a glimpse into their personalities and histories and dynamics. I can’t wait to get to know each sibling’s story, and how they all interconnect, and what in the world their mother did that was so bad PS refuses to even let his siblings know. (Wouldn’t it be easier to just tell them and let them hate her too? They might even be more sympathetic towards their dead dad, who seems to have had a harder time of it than the drama’s shown so far. I have so many questions.)

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    I didn’t watch the show and I don’t have much idea about medical, but doesn’t the liver regenerate? I mean unlike the kidney transplant, I have heard that a liver transplant just requires a little part not the entire kidney.

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      entire liver*

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      Yup the liver is a super cool organ- not only will the donor’s liver regenerate, but the portion donated will grow to full-size in the recipient as well (tho afaik the donor has to give about half of it rather than a small portion).

      That said, PS likely just doesn’t want his sibs to have to go through surgery, recovery, and any possible complications, just for his sake. He’s the type of self-sacrificial famly man that’d rather die than ask his loved ones to look after him when he’s ill, let alone ask them to suffer pain so he can get better.

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        Oh i get it now. It is the character perhaps not the medical stuff that is causing an issue.

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          Yup, though to be fair to PS, there’s always a risk of death with any surgery, and while the risk for liver donation would be small, it would still be there. I don’t think someone who loves his family as much as PS could bear to take any chances.

          It’s funny tho bc if any of his siblings needed a liver transplant, I have no doubt PS would forcefully give them his even if he had to pretend it was coming from a random anonymous donor. It’s irrational, but such is familial love lol. I really rec the drama if you’re into those kinds of main characters!

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      It does, liver is the only part of human organ that can regenerate itself entirely, it just need time

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    I just finished watching the first ep. Poongsang is such a sad sad character. I feel for him. There was so many things going on in ep 1. So many characters were introduced. I would like to know more about this family, esp PS.

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      I felt for him so much too. I completely understand what it feels like to have family members so dependant on you they feel more like your kids than anything else, and how raw and vulnerable those ties are. Ughh, only the first week and I just want PS to be happy lol.

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    I had zero expectations for this drama, but I ended up enjoying the first episode. There were so many characters I was a little confused trying to sort out who was who, but I found myself laughing several times.

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      Lol, ngl I spent at least 5 minutes staring at the list of actors memorising who was who before the start of the ep. 😂 I’m glad you enjoyed it beyond your expectations! Here’s hoping it doesn’t let either of us down.

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Actually, this just feeds into my SY suspicions dammit, bc if her backstory is linked to RC’s, both can be revealed at once and save on screentime.

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I’m also super tense bc we only have 2 full eps left, but still haven’t gotten WK, JH, SY, or RC’s backstories. And yet, they must be coming. Just how packed are the last eps gonna be?!

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Shoutout to all my fellow beanies in the To-Live-Watch-is-to-Suffer legion, where we wait for the next Children of Nobody recap to be posted so we can all have our emotional breakdowns in public.

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Also can we just appreciate how sunbae’s shady-anime-guy way of pushing up his glasses marked him out as a suspicious character way before our detectives had so much as glanced at him?? 😂😂😂

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    Is that shady anime guy style? I only know it as Daniel Choi style! 😁

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Imma say this now: if it turns out that GGD/Se-Kyung was the child\’s hand (1st teaser) and WK\’s dad was the adult hand (poster), then I will actually scream.

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I feel like I cannot fully express how much I love the conversation between WK and JH at the end of ep 27.

I love how WK didn\’t blame JH in the slightest. I love how she thanked him, how sincerely she empathised with how much he must be suffering.

I love how that was what got to JH, how it made him blurt out the one thing that must\’ve been eating him up inside this whole time.

I love how WK said everything he needed to hear, without the slightest hesitation. How she emphasised that he had made the right call, that he had truly saved her life.

I love how WK did everything right because she knew exactly what kind of a nightmare JH had found himself in. I love how JH was forced to take every word she said to heart because he knew that she knew, that she in that moment understood him more than anyone.

I love how the seemingly senseless tragedy in the beginning of this drama, which I was never able to understand from a narrative perspective, now makes perfect sense.

I love how JH started out as WK\’s confidant, and she\’s just returned the favour.

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How is it that lately Children of Nobody is surpassing my expectations with every single new ep.

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Also dammit I am really starting to suspect Soo-Young. Like I don\’t want to, but the way she kept steering JH away from investigating further this ep and the way she kept pointing at WK before AND HER BLOODY LONG SLEEVES ARE JUST MAKING RED ALARMS BLARE IN MY HEAD OKAY I HOPE I\’M BEING PARANOID BUT I NEED TO CONFIRM THE STATUS OF SY\’S FOREARM.

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    This is a great theory! I suspected Woo-kyung’s psychologist sunbae for a while now, but since the latest episode finally decided to focus on him, I’ve become doubtful. Your theory would be awesome.

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      Lol, I’m super conflicted bc SY has always raised and then lowered red flags for me (of which the lowering, in hindsight, may have been me not wanting to believe it).

      The first and most worrying thing is how SY knew every single poem in each case (supposedly by looking it up, but we’ve never seen her actually do that), and even corrected WK on the original lines of the one left w/ HN’s mother.

      Second is how there’ve been moments where SY was outright obstructive. How she ‘didn’t think’ to even look at the list of orphanage alumni, even tho logically that would be her first step after employees. How she ‘followed orders’ by not telling JH about SR’s mother’s change of heart, even tho she knew about the parking ticket as well. How she pushed for WK and then EH as the true culprit in the RC cases, and kept wanting to leave incorrectly closed cases alone.

      And then of course, there’s the matter of certain character-poster differences for our 4 leads. honestly if I turn out the author/marketing team really did that on purpose then I will love this show forever

      Tbh I don’t rule out WK’s sunbae either. I think they could both be involved in this mystery group that seems to be at the centre of all this (with bets on sunbae being EH’s ‘family member’). I just really hope I’m wrong about SY, bc I so badly want her to be one of the good guys. But looking at the suspicious cues partnered with her violent tendencies and the hints at her childhood and those BLOODY LONG SLEEVES…gah.

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        The police do not seem incompetent in this show–unlike other Kdrama cops–so some of Soo-young’s oversights could be viewed in a suspicious light. I’m thinking back to her character’s introduction. She had an explanation for how she got to the doctor so quickly, but since your post above, I have been thinking about that part of the story and starting to question it. While I would like her to be on the side of the good guys, so to speak, I think that the possibility of her being involved in the murders would be awesome from a mystery thriller stand point.

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          It’d be an amazing twist, it’d just break my heart at the same time lol. I’ve been thinking about that first meeting too. I wonder if SY got there so quickly bc she already knew the way? And ofc she would’ve tried even harder to stop Dr Park’s suicide if he was someone she knew.

          Lol, it’s hard bc the show doesn’t seem to have done any fake-out flashbacks yet, so I think we can trust visuals of the past, but the narration, on the other hand…

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    And we’ve never seen her in short sleeves, have we?

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JUST FINISHED EP 27 OF CHILDREN OF NOBODY AND I AM IN TEARS, THE CONVO BETWEEN WK AND JH IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED AND EXACTLY WHAT JH NEEDED AFTER WHAT HAPPENED LIKE UGGGHHHHH MY CHILDREN</i

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\'[Ji-Heon is] getting more attached, and less cool-headed, and it\’s leading to a lot of emotionally-explosive behaviour.\’ I cannot believe I wrote this. I cannot believe I wrote this sentence with my own bloody hands and included, of all words, the word \’explosive\’.

Dear Past Me, who had not yet experienced the trauma of That Episode:

IF ONLY YOU KNEW.

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    I think I know what you mean. Is this the aiming of guns and possible shipping of our lovebirds? (Or am I just overthinking it…)

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Look at how worried he was. This whole thing is just breaking my heart. He did everything he could with the best of intentions, and now I am 99% sure he’s going to end up blaming himself for everything anyway. Like, this is why doctors aren’t allowed to operate on family members and why policemen should not lead operations where they personally know the hostage. Why are you so intent on making my son miserable, show???

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I thought nothing could top eps 23-24 of Children of Nobody.

1) I was wrong.
2) why.
3) Please send Ji-Heon and Woo-Kyung to therapy.

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    I might need therapy before this drama is over.

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      I am all in favour of making a beanie support group for post traumatic episode disorder.

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        Can I join you guys? I haven’t watched this week’s eps, but based from my glances here and there, I need some processing of things.

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          There is always room for one more traumatised beanie in the RMBS support circle! But also I warn you, prepare your heart before watching the ep. And also maybe tissues. And a fluffy pillow.

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            My source of fluff is currently Welcome to Waikiki (first time watching it). It’s a good counterbalance from the heavier Children of Nobody (and it’s both Lee Yi-Kyung so yaay!)

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DAMMIT, CHILDREN OF NOBODY. YOU DID IT AGAIN.

LIKE I KNEW IT BUT I ALSO DIDN\’T KNOW ALL OF IT AND I\’M A VERY CONFLICTED POTATO RIGHT NOW OKAY.

WHY DID I GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO WATCH THE NEW EP.

WHY IS THE NEXT EPISODE NOT HERE ALREADY.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO MEEEEEEEE.

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    is this because of the new ep?

    Now I wish I waited for the show to finish so I could marathon all episodes in one go

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      It isssss, and I’m dying. The next ep’ll be out in about 30 min (raw) and I CANNOT WAIT.

      Lol, tbh sometimes I wish I could binge-watch the show too, but then I think about how fun it is to theorise while waiting for new eps. I certainly wouldn’t have written so many comments about the show if I’d just binge-watched it in a day or two lol. But then, I also want to know the ending right now. ’tis a struggle, my fellow beanie, ’tis a struggle.

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