Beanie level: Loan shark with a heart of gold

Another great channel with amazing photos of Xiao Zhan and Wang Yi Bo in various costumes and modern dress. The photoshop didn’t erase their naturalness. Thanks to Nhuy_Anko for the awesomeness!

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Yay! The Untamed‘s Wuji won KuGou’s Golden Song award. Our XZ & WYB are so busy they couldn’t even receive the award in person. Great to hear good news about them. Had me grinning like a loon.

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    Grats to them! And I absolutely love Wuji so I’m happy to see it won ❤️

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I’m surprised the host mentions what XZ said in another interview (just posted below). This channel has English subs for all The Untamed vids posted: loads of XZ and WYB! Thanks to @wenwen1111

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The Untamed– Missed this which has more of the boys and photo shoots and BTS that I’ve never seen before. Wow can XZ really cry, just at script reading! And who’s that in the very last shot?

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    I think it was WYB who had mentioned he was super impressed how easily and naturally XZ could cry.

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      Yes it was WYB who said something about how XZ could just turn on the tears at the appropriate time. He used a gesture to show that he could turn on and off his tears LOL.

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    OMG, ZX’s tears breaks my heart, he’s so genuine

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I think I’m seeing that there are some new vids up for The Untamed and our fave celebrities. Here’s a newly subbed recent interview with XZ. I never fail to enjoy his interviews. So natural!

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The Untamed – I couldn’t resist posting this. One very good video essay analysing why we love this show and the characters so much. Thanks to Wanfeng for the English subs. I like her voice too!

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This is Part 1 of AvenueX’s sharing on the cdrama/show-making industry. Saddening, upsetting … I’m thinking it might be the same in several other parts of Asia.

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    Very interesting and so sad it happened because he was basically pushed past his limit for the shows pleasure 😥 like she said, it was a senseless death.

    My only issue with the video is “actors should act. Singers should sing. Why does this type of program have to exist?” I don’t agree with this statement and seems ignorant. Programs like this exist because it gets viewers which in turn makes money. Same with shows like dancing with the stars. Many singers branch into acting and actors have branched into singing. Doing a show like this are these stars and contestants choices and another form of them branching out. Nothing wrong with that. These stars can branch out from just being actors and singers and there is also nothing wrong with shows like this existing. The issue is how this show is ran which needs fixing, not the existence of this type of show.

    Still very good video.

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      While discussing this sad state of affairs, I was reminded that in other cases of young people collapsing (while doing things like running marathons), it was possible that there were hidden weaknesses/heart trouble that no one knew, that the ‘victim’ could have stopped earlier but didn’t or that other stress factors had been in place before the tragedies. There were many parties … the victim, the friend who invited, the company, the witnesses, the crew, the paramedics. It’s not easy to know to what extent blame can be laid and upon whom.

      However now once again the spotlight, at least for a while, is turned towards the way business is carried out in entertainment/production houses. It will not be the last sad tragedy that takes place but hopefully contributes to building more awareness and towards starting some way to make a change for the future.

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      Exactly, in the oversaturated entertainment market it’s almost impossible to just stay in one’s lane and made living, not to mention that many entertainers are contractually obligated to take part in such programs for promotional measures, they have new shows, movie or music coming on. The real problem is lack of labor safety regulation in Asian entertainment, because let’s not pretend that it’s only China problem, Korea is similar with long filming hours and disregard for performers safety, Running Man, that inspired many of this shows is one of the glaring examples.

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      The show pays its contestants well. There is a market.

      And that contract is really not that bad if one views it as a stern warning when one considers joining the show. Looking through one of my banks customer/user agreement, it’s pretty much unless you can prove it’s our fault, you are screwed.

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Informative vid on what I’ve guessed about the cdrama industry. ‘Happy drama watching’ does sound like an ironic greeting. This is Part 2.

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    I think US TV show and film production isn’t much better with the log hours even with the unions. They do have better pay and more benefits. Children and animals on set are more regulated.

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      long hours

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      US union crew should have a fixed number and lengths of time for breaks and meals.

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      It’s the lack of regulation and lack of recourse for abuse, that is the problem in Asia. Fear of loss of jobs and being blacklisted leaves workers in the situation where they have to suck it up regardless of the bad treatment.

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        Blacklisting happens whether you are in a union or not. People don’t have to hire you.

        The other stuff is actually quite general in China. Foreign labor activists keep running afoul with Chinese authorities over these issues. The problem comes from the very top. Trump got some young American labor activist out of Chinese prison and back to the US a couple years ago.

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Heh! We were just saying in the previous posts over the Interview of Xiao Zhan that he embodied his character of WWX and he hads a great attachment to him. Here’s a bit of news that says we are right.

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    @linda-palapala @trinpie @kimbapnoona, @shach, @marites59, @stpauligurl , @strawberry, @gadis @larelle79 @mayhemf @bebeswtz @alasecond @outofthisworld @zgs1994

    Whatever one may say about Chinese Star News, he does give us news in English, with details. This time it’s a translation of XZ’s interview with Vogue Magazine. Sooo interesting … makes me feel for him all over again!

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      Yes, mainland entertainemnt news and gossip are really hard to find, it great that there is someone who gives his time to rely them in English.

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      I saw this last night, so good! I didn’t post it because I knew you would.

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        Heh! I only post the ones I like. This YouTuber is very prolific! I find Chinese Star News is concentrating a lot on Xiao Zhan, so I end up watching a lot of his vids … or maybe I’m not getting ‘alerts’ on other news that he posts, or he’s going for who is most popular now, (maybe), so he does not bother with other news for the time being?

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          Well, duh…whatever is most popular and will get the most views, hence the most ads, hence the most money made, hence a bit of capitalism there. Smart move.
          That’s why I like him – otherwise, he isn’t that appealing, right? More power to him.

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      Chinese government cracked down and shut down loads of celebrity gossip/news sites a couple years ago citing privacy and bad influence on social norms concerns.

      The guy/gal can try starting a WeChat group pushing celeb gossip/news. Chances are he/she won’t last long. All Chinese social media platforms self-censors a great deal. People know this so many use this to report hearsay, rumors and “unacceptable” content to remove they don’t like or want out. Unless, they become part of the publicity cybertrooper for the celebs. Then, of course, only their employers approved content will be posted. No truth or objectivity involved.

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    D’awww. I am happy he has gotten fame and success. He is such an earnest, kind and hardworking man who deserves the success he has found.

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    I can feel his pain as WWX. his character had a really tough time.

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      If we can feel his pain just watching remotely, I wonder how much more he must have felt it while taking on the role for months, having to discuss it, think it through and bring it to life. I take my hat off to all actors for being able to convincingly portray, at length, all kinds of tragic characters and be able to walk away from their roles. They would probably need a time to let go and ‘heal’ even from the emotional investment that they had to make.

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    Well, we were just saying that Chinese Star News is very on the ball with XZ news. Well it’s one way to earn some money. Here he’s hoping to start a WeChat group with his followers so that he can push more stuff out and give another means for people to talk about the celebrities. Good to know that he’s ‘making a little profit’ from YT to pay his bills!! He gives his WeChat account in the link.

    https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwrkUo2fft8Ysa8JMJ4AaABCQ

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I missed some great vids. Here’s one that’s been out and I’m only watching it now!!! Xiao Zhan is so great in these kinds of interviews. His spontaneous singing.. his emotions.. as he watched himself!

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    @linda-palapala @trinpie @kimbapnoona, @shach, @marites59, @stpauligurl , @strawberry, @gadis @larelle79 @mayhemf @bebeswtz @alasecond @outofthisworld @zgs1994

    I like how he said people shouldn’t over praise him. Also that he is ordinary but not as ordinary as one of the other characters he played – wonder how ordinary that character was!! And he, himself, was so moved by the story of WWX, as if that was a real person he had to leave behind. I was moved as well.

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      He does seem exceptionally wise and well balanced for someone so young. May he stay that way!

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      One of the best quahog him (and for anyone to have) is that he has a really good head on his shoulders, like I’ve always said. He’s not only a realist, he is also very humble 🥰🥰🥰

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        @bebeswtz There are certain the qualities that I admire most in celebrities … their humility, being able to be genuine without airs, being rational and sincere. XZ has these qualities as far as I can see from the BTS and interviews. So much fame, so suddenly, so fast… can change a person’s attitude… but he’s been fine even now 4-5 months after all the hoo-hah.

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        *qualities

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      I think he was talking about his character in his movie jade dynasty. I would love to watch that movie and I am looking forward to all his dramas.

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    Now on YouTube almost all I see are videos of WWX/LZ, XZ and WYB. How do you sort thru them all??
    Glad you found this one (haven’t watched it yet…)

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      “After filming, I had to let him go and let him go to the one he loves…”

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      I browse vaguely through YT and click on those with English subs or those that are more recent. I missed most of the stuff that came out earlier ie July – Sept, I think. So I guess, maybe now there are more subbed ones, that are ‘re-released’ by kind netizens who have subbed them. So now I hope I can maybe get more good BTS/interviews/Untamed stuff which I can read and understand better!!! I’ll keep posting them when I do find ones I like. So stay tuned!!

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    He has had that WWX has been one of the hardest roles for him to let go of.

    I love his laugh. It’s kinda goofy but so down to earth and genuine ❤

    I also love how emotional he got while watching the MV 💔

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      @trinpie I’d think he would have said so too. It was the role that had the most episodes and required much in emotional investment. Therefore definitely one he was most attached to. I thought he said that he decided that he just had to let the character go… like it was a wrench for him but he knew he had to do it, so he did and moved on.

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    This is the interview where he said he should let Wei Wuxian go and give him back to the people who love him, right? I love that statement.

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      I took it as he gave WWX back to the one WWX loves (LZ). Heh, heh.

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      @gadis Same… this was the statement that grabbed my attention. Now I need to re-watch and pause at every statement and watch his expression as he says those things. And how the questions led up to that statement. He considered that character as ‘someone’ who could be returned … as if, he had borrowed that character for a while. But the truth is that he made that character come alive from the web novel, and made it his own as well. He became WWX for that period of time, and letting it go, meant letting go some part of himself.

      I liked how he felt sad and moved for the character, as if he was watching someone else, which is true now, since he did really let WWX go.

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    This is one of the very first XZ interviews I have watched and it really made me fall in love with him. Everyone can see that he not just as a talented young actor or a handsome face, but rather he as a beautiful, modest, thoughtful person!

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More Xiao Zhan and Wang Yi Bo to put a smile on our faces.

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The Untamed– These BTS cuts include some that are new to me, maybe to you too? I haven’t trawled as much through YT’s ocean of Untamed goodies, so I’m not sure, but our heroes look great here!

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This post is not because of the endorsement issue, but for the cute drawings of XZ and WYB in the middle. I appreciate that the images are collocated here. Saves me time searching. Heh!

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@outofthisworld and a few of us were just going on about our little Ah Yuan and Sizhui, and here is a new video collocating most of their scenes! Not yet subbed, but who cares! They look so good.

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    @linda-palapala @trinpie @kimbapnoona, @shach, @marites59, @stpauligurl , @strawberry, @gadis @larelle79 @mayhemf @bebeswtz

    I started going back to compile stills of our little Ah Yuan, then this video came out. It still stopped short of some scenes that I thought were worth including though, so … maybe I still may grab that excuse to re-watch for the little man. Heh! 😋

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      I swear I am not going to rewatch this show now!

      Gaaah…….look at Lan Zhan’s face at 7:35, the way he looks at WY.

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        how do you interpret that look

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        @alasecond Wei Ying was watching Wen Ning being befriended by Sizhui and looked a little concerned. I was thinking that Lan Zhan was looking at Wei Ying with that long searching stare, because he had a whole bunch of thoughts going through his mind. He was watching Wei Ying’s every reaction and considering what to do at the same time. He stopped WY from interrupting Wen Ning and Sizhui.

        He realised that the time was drawing near when he’d have to tell WY who Sizhui was, and was concerned about how the news would affect WY. Seeing that WY was concerned about Sizhui chatting with Wen Ning, LZ was deciding when might be the right time to break the news and how.

        Also at this point, WY was still weak after being the ‘bait’ and fighting off the zombies, and LZ was checking if WY would be strong enough for any shocks. It really had been a very long day. They had saved the kids, then had to save the kids’ parents LOL. They had had nothing to eat, had travelled a long distance, and knew that Jiang Cheng would not welcome them at journey’s end.

        I felt it was a long, considering, searching and concerned look that LZ had as he stared at WY, deciding what to do, and when.

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        I adore Lan Zhan’s face at 8:28, he’s even jealous to his own son… His possessiveness is no joke

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    you know what the sad thing about this is..as someone mentioned

    imagine when LZ brought yuan home, and at night that baby would wake up calling out Wei Wuxian , all feverish.. how must have LZ felt?

    and atleast for those initial days.. i doubt if a-yuan would have gone to any other person.. or even tolerated a touch after the trauma

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      I see it as this: Even when those long and difficult nights came and hit hard, it was Lan Shan’s way of still having some sort of connection to Wei Ying by way of little Ah Yuan. I don’t think he would have seen any of the experiences he went through while caring for Ah Yuan as anything bad or difficult, because he did it all for Wei Ying’, whom he loves more than life, because he knew that Wei Ying loved (loves) little Ah Yuan as his own as well ☺️☺️☺️

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        lol.. i am not saying he would mind having a-yuan..
        i am just saying that while you are grieving and there is someone else who probably needed WX just as badly as LZ wanted.. and then the continuous reminder of him gone

        but, then maybe yuan’s presence lessened the pain.. because LZ had someone to take care of who could be taken care of only by him.. the only avenue of some happiness

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          He definitely didn’t mind having and caring for Ah Yuan 😉😉😉
          If anything, I’d like to think that it it helped Lan Zhan take his mind off the bad memories (even though I’m sure ALL memories of Wei Ying are precious to Lan Zhan, regardless), and to have a purpose to carry on living, because Lan Zhan really couldn’t see a world where Wei Ying didn’t exist, and I was actually scared that Lan Zhan would follow Wei Ying down the cliff 😱😱😱😱🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

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            he wouldn’t have.. and he won’t kill himself.. none of that
            LZ is too principled to not follow duties of his existence

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            @alasecond
            I dunno 🤔🤔🤔🤔 He’s broken quite a few rules for WWX, including the biggest one— fighting for him at Jinglingtai and trying to save him on the cliff— when the number 1 rule of Gusu Lan is to fight against evil— and by that big battle scene, it was determined by all the sects that WWX was “evil”— it’s why the battle happened in the first place

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            @bebeswtz ya but WX is not evil.. suicide or self abuse is wrong..universally, including in WX’s dictionary (even though he jumped off) 😛

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            WWX isn’t/wasn’t evil, but he was questioned for it by people, even LZ at one point
            Suicide and abuse is definitely wrong and was heavily fought against–especially by WWX– but choosing suicide rather than to have LZ die with him on the cliff (especially with the added pressure that JC was also there and wasn’t thinking straight because he just lost his sister) was what he did….. For Lan Zhan, he went against his own beliefs for once and chose the lesser evil (choosing to die alone via suicide)– Lan Zhan didn’t understand this until WWX died and then LZ spend the next 16 years regretting that he didn’t stand by WWX’s side until the very last moment, which, I guess sort of worked out for the better because then LZ went back to the Burial Mounds and found Ah Yuan 🙂

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        and to that.. i suddenly have a very perverted thought

        LZ putting Shizui in warren of rabbits..

        you know!!!.. rabbits making out.. reproducing a baby 😛 ..
        LZ is more progressive in this area than WX (poor WX was working with radishes)

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Heh! The ever honest and good-natured Xiao Zhan. He always seems down-to-earth and is perfectly happy to be just an ordinary human being. Great to see his smile and hear his ready laugh.

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    he seems like such a nice person <3

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      He gives off the vibe that he’s happy as an ordinary guy, and shows that he’s dealing with all the sudden fame so well. Don’t know if I’m just imagining it, but there’s something about him, so genuine and natural, coming through in his interviews.

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    D’awww he is so sweet and cute.

    It’s sad that these companies restrict their idols from dating. They have so much control over their lives they can decide if they can have a partner or not.

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      it’s funny that he sounded even cheerful about that here. as the interviewer said, this one was filled with positivity! 😀

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      @trinpie @zgs1994 I feel that it’s because he’s so clearheaded and knows what he wants that he’s fine with the restrictions. He made a decision to give up his old career (or put it on hold) to take up singing and he knew what he had to sacrifice. Since it was a decision that he made, knowing the ways of these companies and showbiz, it’s really the most mature thing that he is at peace with the life that comes with his choice. I’m glad it comes out as sounding cheerful.

      Someone said that he’s pretty brave, because if he does not make it, or if he really retires in 20 years as he said he would, it would still be hard for him to go back to being a designer. I figure that if he retains the dream to sing, then he could continue singing indefinitely, just not as part of a boy group.

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      Members of boybands are usually young and their fanbase likewise so the restriction may not be much of an impact.

      What struck me more was in another interview, Xiao Zhan said he won’t date anytime soon. Other than being too tied up with his career, I vaguely recalled he said dating would negatively impact his career. I wonder why he said that. I sure hope he will not feel restricted in any way.

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        One other thing he said about dating was that he wouldn’t date because, with this career, it would give the other party a hard time. At least for a man, the age factor is not too much of a problem. He can still afford to milk his popularity for as long as possible and get married later.

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The Untamed – I was so taken with the Ah Yuan arc I made 2 editions of photos with some overlap.

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    @linda-palapala @trinpie @kimbapnoona, @shach, @marites59, @stpauligurl , @strawberry, @gadis @larelle79 @mayhemf @outofthisworld

    Ah Yuan was fortunate enough to have been saved by the rich uncle with a roof over his head LOL. He certainly chose well 16 years prior, when he selected the thigh to hug. Little Ah Yuan choosing Lan Zhan over all the the adults on that busy market street made it possible for LZ to help WY stablise Wen Ning, and visit his Burial Mound home. It also led to one of the most heart-warming family reunions 16 years later.

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      The happy family reunion ❤️I love WWX and Ah Yuan’s relationship.

      This drama is so great because it had so many great relationships in it.

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      Looking forward to this arc on my rewatch…coming up soon.

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    GAHHHHHHH I’m not there yet in the drama, but seeing this makes me want to get there even more and even faster lol

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      It’s so fun to share in the ride with someone’s first watch!

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      Hah! I was thinking, I hope @bebeswtz doesn’t get spoiled by these pics. I waited a few days before posting them. But you haven’t got there yet… well it’s so sweet, as you guessed.

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        It’s okay!! I don’t mind spoilers haha It doesn’t ‘spoil’ my watching experience, rather, it makes me anticipate the moments even more 🙂
        But in all honesty, I had no idea that Si Zui is actually Ah Yuan, and it didn’t click until a recent episode, because there really wasn’t any clues XD

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    Ah Yuan I miss you!!! 😍😍
    The reunion warmed my heart, how adorable of LZ to adopt him.

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    This family brought me to tears so many times.

    I love how WWX was the playful parent who amused A Yuan, entertained him, made him laugh and also annoyed him, LOL! But we all know how much WWX missed A Yuan when he came back to life 16 years later. If anyone has difficulty imagining the depth of WWX’s grief, sorrow and regret – just think of those people he lost – Shijie, his adoptive parents and A Yuan were probably the top.

    I love Lan Zhan who was absolutely soft and caring in his own way towards A Yuan. I can never forget that it was Han Guangjun who bought all the toys for A Yuan and remembered to pick them up even while they were rushing back to the Burial Mound.
    It was Lan Zhan who found A Yuan and somehow managed to bring him up in Gusu despite his own physical and mental state in those years right after WWX’s death.
    It was Lan Zhan who thought of A Yuan first when he didn’t tell WWX about Sizhui’s real identity.
    It was Lan Zhan who assured WWX that Sizhui is still his child.

    Both WWX and Lan Zhan are incredibly self-giving. It’s probably one of the reasons why they are soulmates.

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      I like what you say about how Lan Zhan assured WWX that Sizhui had a connection to him as well. LOL, WWX was the one who taught the 3-year old about replacing a good book (or something) with something naughty … and to look at pretty ladies. ‘Best’ role model ever! 🤣

      Yes LZ was extremely self sacrificing and generous. He could see that WY really missed Ah Yuan and when the time was right, he was going to tell him. Seeing that Ah Yuan beat him to it, he gave his lopsided smile and was then eager to assure WY that he too had, had a part in Sizhuis’ life. So sweet, really. ☺️ 😃

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        Lan Zhan is extremely sensitive to Wei Ying. Remember the rabbits? When WWX commented that they only recognise their owner(LZ), he was quick to pass one to WWX.

        I think this is why the story worked so well for people who are heterosexual. Which girl would’t want a perfect boyfriend or husband like Lan Zhan?

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Xiao Zhan: nice news. Having a mentor who had faith in him against some odds has made his development so quick. So happy to see mentor being proud of men-tee and that their hard work is paying off.

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    Wow I didn’t know that XZ was picked from competitions! Hmmm I’m gonna have to dig up these videos some day.

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      @Mel
      Yup, I happened upon them, but didn’t realise what I was watching. He had to go through several rounds so there are a few performances of his with others. Fun!

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    Awww that’s sweet. 😍

    I know XZ was on a competition show and that’s how he made his debut, but I guess I never really thought too deeply what type of competition it was. Sounds almost like it was a bit like the Voice where you have the judges choose and mentor people? Either way, thank you Shu Qi for making such a good choice! 😁

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    Oooooh I knew he entered the industry via a competition, but didn’t know that Shu Qi had a hand in it 👍🏻👍🏻☺️☺️☺️

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The Untamed – Wei Wu Xian was the constantly falsely accused, Untamed Innocent. But keeping his promise to protect the weak and to have a clear conscience gave him no other choice.

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    @linda-palapala @trinpie @kimbapnoona, @shach, @marites59, @stpauligurl , @strawberry, @gadis @larelle79 @mayhemf @outofthisworld

    I hate to admit it, but some of the best lines were given to our resident villain in hiding, Jin Guangyao. I find him to be an interesting villain in that he had not originally set out to be or to do evil. He had done his best to win approval and acknowledgement from the various people he served. He was hard working, treated his underlings well enough (so much so that Su She was loyal til the end), he was even a good friend to Lan Xichen and a good uncle to Jin Ling. His decisions to be evil, he claims, were because he had run out of choices. That was partly true, but also he was opportunistic enough to kill off a whole family after pinning the death of his son to them, and he engineered blame to fall on WWX for his murder of his half-cousin and half brother so that he could take over the Jin Clan.

    Perhaps if his horrible father had at least freed his mother, the plot against the Jin family might have not reached fruition, but we’ll never know.

    Despite his villainy, I do agree with what he said. Even if it had not been him who had thrown WWX under the bus, someone would have done it, because WWX was ‘untamed’ and powerful and a threat, and people needed someone to blame. Even Wei Ying himself had told Lan Zhan the same thing. He had said he no longer cared who was behind the evils that he ended up being blamed for, knowing that sooner or later, as Yiling Patriarch, whatever he said in his own defence would not be believed. The world needed an easy target to accuse and in the face of whom, they could unite, and feel virtuous. Even without Jin Guangyao or the extra flute, he might also have ended up the Innocent Accused.

    I also agree with JGY that Jiang Cheng had a responsibility to bear over the terrible unfairness and attack against WWX. If only JC had been able to get past his insecurities and need to be supported as leader, if he had been able to keep the powerful WWX by his side, for mutual support and protection, JC and his Clan would have been a force to be reckoned with, and WWX would not have faced quite as devastating an experience as he did.

    Hence, the scenes captured in the previous post (although it preceded this scene with JGY), where JiangCheng apologised to WWX, felt so right and so satisfying.

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      I totally agree. Very well said.

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      once again, many thanks for this, pls keep them coming. also thanks to the other regular posters here who are always generous with their time to give us these thought provoking essays/posts on why we love this drama. also the vids/pics/gifs that serve to highlight why we adore our wangxian, our boys xz and wyb and the other cast as well. good job ladies. I salute all of you.

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      I believe there was a moral lesson in there…

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        @linda-palapala I felt that one lesson was to take care to be considerate of others.

        One of the things that struck me was that WWX had laughed in incredulity that Jin Guangyao had committed such heinous crimes because he had been constantly disrespected and looked down upon. WWX probably felt that it was an inconsequential reason.

        However, I’m guessing, that it was the fact that Jin Guangyao had been worn down by the abuse of his father and of others all his life, just because of the circumstances of his birth, and that nothing he did could make a difference about, that it became possible for any little ill-treatment to ‘break the camel’s back’, so to speak. If he was going to be badly treated (hanged for a lamb) even when he did good things and did his best, he might as well go all out evil (and be hanged for a sheep) and get something out of it.

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          I thought it was the old controversy of “nature vs nurture” as well. Did he have a tendency to evil (jealousy, revenge, etc) or did he not have the nurture – or most likely a combination of both.
          However, even as he told WWX he’d be vilified regardless, JG was also vilified by the majority gossip mongers by virtue of being a bastard from a prostitute. Like when he overheard Nie’s men talking about him, etc.

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            Yes, … hence I felt there was a parallel between WWX and JGY in some way. The decision to keep his conscience clear, (assuming a good conscience) saved WWX from acting on resentment and becoming evil. In JGY’s case, I’m not sure if he had a good conscience to begin with, but he did not overtly choose evil until later. I suppose assuming he had a good conscience, then JGY chose the opposite ie to not keep it clear.

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The Untamed– It surprised me … the relationship that brought on the most tears was this one, of the ‘brothers’ that were & what they could have been. Loved how their arc ended. So contented!

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    Just tagging a few Untamed Beanies.
    @linda-palapala @trinpie @kimbapnoona, @shach, @marites59, @stpauligurl , @strawberry, @gadis @larelle79 @mayhemf @outofthisworld

    Now that I’m bothering to re-watch with slowdown and with repeats on scenes, I’m seeing stuff I never did before. Unexpectedly, to me, I loved the brothers’ reunion and all the emotions that played across their faces, so much more than I thought I ever would.

    Seeing them together, finally talking, finally apologising, forgiving and accepting their past and moving on, warmed my heart so much more than I was prepared for.

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      It was so heartwarming to watch this moment unfolded. They both needed it. Aww man now I wanna rewatch this episode. Haha

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      I agree with you @growingbeautifully – the relationship between the brothers was always the hardest to watch just because WWX couldn’t tell his brother what he’d done and how it hurt him when JC blamed him for so much.
      And it was so frustrating that JC couldn’t get over his own insecurities….

      But at the end when he tossed the flute. Yes that was a powerful scene and I’m getting there on my second watch and like others am seeing more the second time around.

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      I can’t say that Jiang Cheng and WWX’s relationship made me cry. I remember being annoyed by JC even when I rewatched it.

      I can understand why he is who he is but I also believe he could have supported WWX instead of suspecting him and standing against him. Part of the fault lies with WWX. Apart from teasing and joking, WWX never sat down and had a heart to heart chat with JC.

      I had post something similar about WWX and JC’s relationship in my earlier post. Some beanies explained it quite succinctly – they are brothers. It’s totally believable that the two people who love each other cannot communicate properly.

      WWX’s behaviour and actions led not just his enemies to accuse him but also people like Jiang Cheng to doubt him. Even Lan Wangji had his struggles. It’s just that he chose to believe in WWX.

      The thing I dislike about Jiang Cheng is how his insecurity and pride always got the better than him. I almost couldn’t believe that he had actually love his brother so much that he sacrificed himself. In the end, he had lived even more miserably than WWX. I am glad they had closure because these two love each other more than themselves.

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        The other character who’s also partly at fault is JC’s dad. He gave WWX much more attention than his own son. JC was already competitive by nature, but dad’s open partiality for the WWX made matters worse. Unfortunately, not only was WWX the child of the woman that JC’s dad had liked, he was also all round better than JC at everything. JC never felt good enough to get his dad’s approval while WWX was around.

        JC’s mother didn’t help any by harping on the differences in treatment between the 2 boys. JC being JC just wasn’t strong enough to surmount the negative that surrounded him.

        But what was interesting in that last conversation he had with WWX, was that he mentioned twice that WWX had promised to be his deputy, but had betrayed that promise. That, more than the other sore points, seemed to be the issue he really had with WWX. WWX had blithely been the one to first suggest and promise to support JC in his struggle to rebuild the Jiang Sect, but he had never been there for JC at the crucial times. He had instead embarrassed JC and inadvertently humiliated JC by never giving him much face in public. That promise should never have been made. It was doomed from the start.

        Maybe JC had set much more store on that promise than we know. He was lacking in confidence and might have been depending on WWX to be there for him. What was worse was that in JC’s eyes, WWX had given more priority to the Wens and LWJ than to the Jiangs. He saw it as betrayal and the cause of the death of his family.

        It’s true that he should have known WWX better, and to have trusted him more. He should have not been one of the party in the seige on the Burial Mounds. But his bitterness at so much loss, his desire for revenge and the easiness of seeing WWX as the obvious target got the better of him.

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          WWX is the one who has great perspective of his position in Jiang’s household. I can’t remember which scene but I recalled that he knew that Dad was particularly harsh on JC because he is the son and successor to the Jiang sect leadership. Something which either JC didn’t really see or dismissed.

          Time and again, it’s is clear that WWX is the more talented, more charismatic and more popular one. Can’t blame JC for having his life long low esteem because he’s always been compared unfavourably to WWX. This was picked by up astute enemies like JGY.

          Yes, WWX promised to be JC’s deputy but I wished JC could look at the bigger picture and stop being entirely self focused. JC never saw the injustice done to the Wens or Gusu Sect. WWX didn’t do it because he love them more than his family. He did what he did because he could never tolerate injustice or let the weak suffer, even if they weren’t his family. This is where Lan Wangji differs. I think Lan Wangji liked WWX because he saw a truly righteous person with a good heart beneath all the fast and trash talking persona.

          Yes, WWX was to be blamed for some of the unfortunate events even though he was a direct cause. I just wish JC had more trust, think more clearly and discern for himself instead of being swayed by popular opinion and accusations.

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          Never saw how “strict” or harsh the dad was to Jiang Cheng in the novel. He never scolded/punished JC for hanging out with WWX or being a partner-in-crime. He never pushed JC to be anything against his will. Being married to the often sour unpleasant Madam Yu, it’s not surprising Dad would prefer a happy, playful WWX. He was much more lenient and tolerant compare to a stereotypical father in that age.

          I feel the one of the reasons that JC felt so betrayed by WWX not keeping his promise was the “deputy” part. Everyone who knew WWX should know he would be terrible working in an administrative position. However, even in name only, JC would be WWX’s superior/boss.

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        I cannot help but to compare Jiang Cheng’s and Lan Wangji’s love for WWX. They both are haughty characters that are deeply in love with WWX… but their approach to love is very similar to their dads… One can sacrifice all his reputations and principles with no regret while the other struggles between his love vs. principles, responsibilities & duties (as a clan leader), ambitious, and his own insecurities etc…

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          That is true @persianrose.
          Taking this thought to the Jiang Cheng and Wen Qing arc … My heart ached, knowing that Jiang Cheng admired Wen Qing, and that he could never acknowledge that openly. He could not surmount his position and responsibility as Sect Leader, or his need to uphold appearances and at least not be ostracised by the other Sects. He couldn’t follow his heart. He couldn’t and didn’t try that hard to save Wen Qing. Although not shown in the drama, he probably had deep regret over Wen Qing’s death and he remained alone even more than a decade later. Finding out that she had been the one to give him his 2nd chance with WWX’s golden core must have gutted him, because he had not appreciated her worth and goodness fully, and because she had saved his self-worth.

          However, even if he was not a person who needed to maintain his ‘face’, I feel that he really did not have a choice as a Sect Leader, unless he wanted to have all the other Sects as his ‘enemies’ by protecting a member of the Wen family.

          In the same way, if only he had protected WWX before WWX became public enemy number 1, his Sect might have been the one that the other families might have been wary of. With powerful WWX with him, he’d have some sway, but at the same time, it would chaff at him that his power was 2nd hand, only of significance, because the other Sects feared WWX rather than him.

          When WWX became the public enemy, JC also couldn’t take him back. As the one responsible for other members in his Sect, JC couldn’t throw caution to the winds and just accept WWX and antagonise all the other clans. It was both against his nature to be soft to WWX and it was a risk for his Sect.

          LWJ being the younger brother, and with still an uncle as head of the Lan Sect, had somewhat less responsibility. He could go back home and get punishment as an individual. Unlike JC, his actions to protect WWX would not backfire on his Sect, just only on himself.

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      Btw, thank you for posting the screenshot of JC’s face. I missed that too!

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      I made a very similar post on this exact thing when I did my rewatch:

      http://www.dramabeans.com/members/trinpie/activity/893697/

      I was surprised how much their reunion affected me on my 2nd watch. Especially since I’ve never been a fan of JC.

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    is this a chinese one?
    why are these characters so ugly

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      You think they are unattractive?

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      Do you find the characters ugly or the actors? Since they aren’t wearing monkey suits, I can only infer that you mean the actors.

      Beauty is subjective but still, I won’t call someone who has recently topped Asia’s Most Handsome Faces In Asia 2019 ugly.

      We can argue that this kind of ranking is influenced largely by popularity but even if we go by that, a man whose looks is ‘subjective’ at best can’t just be ranked a freaking number one.

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Back to the past, >2.5 years ago, Xiao Zhan was much less well known. Even then, he exudes the same openness & quick thinking. He’s had to become more careful but his answers are still quick & honest.

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