Beanie level: Water maid

Alright Beanies, tomorrow will answer the question: Can your kdrama watching hobby land you a job? Fingers crossed it’s a good answer!

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Was listening to a Vincent Blue playlist and this gem came up. Anyone else think he sounds like a Korean version of Michael Buble? Now I wonder if he has any Christmas covers on his channel..

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    I’m in love with Vincent Blue!!! He’s voice does remind me a bit of Michael Buble…

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Quick survey out of curiosity: If a male co-worker initiates a conversation with a female colleague at least half his age by saying \”I like your shirt\”, how would you rate that on the Creepometer? 1 being totally harmless and 10 being avoid at all costs.

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    What happened after that?

    Was it just the complement?

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      It was mostly just the complement. He went on some other tangent about it but I was walking behind him so I didn’t really catch it. The thing is the guy is basically a stranger to me. I know nothing about him but his name and department, only recently met him, and have never asked him anything about himself. In fact, I’ve never even initiated a conversation with him before, yet every time he sees me he either asks a personal question (where are you from?) or makes a personal comment (I like your shirt). In general, I’ve always had the impression that older aged men should not strike up conversation with much younger women unnecessarily. It’s one thing to make small talk about work or the weather (which he doesn’t), but I don’t see why he would feel the need to make a comment about my clothing instead of something more reasonable like, “Busy day today, huh?” That seems red flaggy to me. It doesn’t help that I am above averagely busty.

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        Okay. Since this is not a one and done thing, yeah, totally understand you being on guard.

        The questions don’t cross any lines per companies but you are uncomfortable when he speaks to you.

        If this continues, you damn right to tell him to knock it off.

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        Agreed with larelle.

        In my experience here in India, even acknowledging creeps by REJECTING them gives them the wrong idea, and they come on stronger. If what larelle says doesn’t work, or if you’d rather not be blunt because workplace etc, maybe just give curt one word replies to things he asks, don’t make eye contact, basically pretend he doesn’t exist.

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          Agree with the above ~ I deal with power dynamics at work, so when an older man (or someone similar) says something like that I usually reply “what? Yeah, I like my shirt too, thanks” and either walk away or keep doing what I’m doing. Don’t betray interest if they try to start a conversation, just keep doing what your doing, and hopefully the message gets across.

          I’m currently having an inner debate with myself if these types of older men touching my shoulder is enough to report them to my boss…

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            Absolutely report it. It is always the microaggressions that lead to the worst.

            Because the first thing that is always said is, ‘Well, did you talk to them about it first?’.

            No asshole in HR, if I was comfortable doing that, I would not come to you.

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            Ugh. Why are men like this.

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    Depends on many factors. My bosses who are a bit older than I have complimented my shirts without any kind of creep factor. Now if the guy was like staring at her chest saying it or doing a Joey “how you doin’?” kind of attitude then high creep factor.

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      Yep, tone, circumstances, and eye placement are major factors in determining the creeper scale.

      Warning: Absolutely no physical contact should be made during this exchange.

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        Oh also age is the least of these factors. A young guy can sound as innocent or as creepy depending on all the above factors.

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          I would beg to differ that age does matter. Maybe not so much when you’re older, but if it’s an age difference like a high school graduate and a middle-aged guy in his fifties the I think age definitely has a significant impact on the ick/creep factor.

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    A simple thanks and quick change of topic will do.
    If he continues the conversation at a personal level raise creepometer value.
    Many times its harmless. I have complimented my male colleagues if I like their shirt (only if I have worked with them long enough and have a comfortable relationship).

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Aw, this just made my morning. Although this still has his signature “fight the system” sub-message mixed in, I’ll take the happy dances as a sign of improvement 😀 It might be taking us a decade of baby steps to get there, but I’m holding out hope that one day Happy Bang will become the default Bang! Glad to see him enjoying music again.

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I love it when I read song translations that are borderline nonsensical (likely because the translator couldn’t/didn’t bother to try to understand it themselves) and then see comments like, “this is so deep” and people trying to assign great meaning to what is basically an incomprehensible set of lyrics lol

It reminds me of an article I read a while back about a programming experiment that intended to teach computers how to write poetry (one bot poem even won a poetry contest lol). The people behind it set up a website challenging people to guess if certain poems were written by a bot or human and, to their shock, over 50% of the time people incorrectly guessed that the bot poems were real poems. They suspect it was because the computer had learned how to make some epic sounding phrases that people assumed were metaphors for some deep meaning, but actually meant absolutely nothing. Likewise, since there are so many real poems in the world that are difficult to make sense of, this experiment ended up being a good example of showing how fine the line is between absurdity and genius when it comes to art.

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    That is really interesting – I think I remember reading something about that once. But I have one quibble with the conclusion of this — isn’t interpretation of art, regardless of creator, up to the interpreter? I’ve always held that it doesn’t matter what the author/artist intended, as all viewers will bring their own meaning to any interpretation and understanding of art. Calling bot-created poems that have confusing parts that are up to interpretation is what art is all about in my opinion. Things don’t always have to make sense to all people to be meaningful. However, if people just thought that the bot created poems were “real poems” because of the complex language, without actually examining the poem itself for meaning, then sure, that is a little absurd. But I think it’s also impossible to read poetry without assigning meaning to it, so in a way it isn’t really absurd and the bot-created poetry is no less “real” than the manmade poetry.

    Sorry to get all complicated on you – I just studied both English and Philosophy in university and this was an argument I had in one of my classes. I just have this strong belief that when art is released into the world its creator no longer has any real right to tell others how to understand it, which I think is equally applicable to bot-created poetry.Maybe that is absurd, but isn’t that just humanity in a nutshell?

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    Well i wonder.. they have been trying to use bots in creative field.. they had bot design the trailer of the movie and human team simultaneously.. it turned out to be pretty close..

    so, i won’t say creativity is a foray out of reach for bots.. ultimately for us too.. it is a complex mechanism of electro bio signals

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A classic and one of a kind song. As much as I love this track (the Gregorian chant gets everyone lol), I’ve gotta say, I think it says a lot about modern day society that a song all about suicide is on nearly every fan/non-fan’s Top 10 favorites list…

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Finally checked out the first episode of Confession and it\’s intriguing but not really addicting yet. I also feel like a bad person for entertaining the idea that Han Jong Gu really is innocent…

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    No. He murdered a woman and made it look like a copycat.

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      So the murder after he got out of prison was done by him, but the one before that he was accused of he really was innocent?

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        The other way around, first one was him second one wasn’t

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          Ohhhh. Now I have to tune in again. I really did buy his story that he was innocent the first-time around,

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More upbeat fun~ I love it when songs feature brass and sax. It makes them extra groovy in my opinion. This whole album is my favorite because it’s full of rocking and funky cheery songs. It’s perfect for blaring in your car while driving around in the spring/summer.

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Anyone in need of a funky pick-me-up? I doubt it’s possible to get through this video without cracking a smile. Even the cameraman whipped out a lightstick lol It has a Reply 1988 parody in it, too.

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    I’m going to have to go back and listen to your recs. I dont think I’ve listened to them before.
    Also, I think I keep getting B.A.P. , Block B, and Btob all mixed up.

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      I’ve intentionally been picking non-title tracks since I find that people that have only heard a couple B.A.P. songs (especially if they are title tracks) tend to not realize they have a more varied discography than their titles show. I’ve been trying to do a different style every day so definitely check them out and see if anything appeals to you. There’s definitely some overlap between the three, but I find that once you’ve heard enough B.A.P. songs you realize no other group’s sound is quite like theirs.

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For those watching Possessed, is it worth using up a Netflix trial to watch? I loved the first 3 episodes but have been seeing mixed reviews as it\’s been nearing its end.

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    Yes it is definitely worth watching – but you will get more hooked as the episodes build…..

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      Agreed ^^ There are so many twists and turns after the first few episodes that I am never bored.

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    I’m at ep13 and… it’s not AS good as it was for the 1st 7 episodes.

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Another classic B.A.P. song feature is the use of bad-ass violins in very dramatic songs. Like in the following.

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A great, but far too short, anthem song to start the day on a good note. Be inspired and make today the day~

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One more rec for now. This one is keeping with the jazzy theme, but is better suited for rainy introspective days. It’s also got a lovely smooth sexy quality to it that makes it ear candy.

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A Haechi without Moon Soo just isn\’t the same 🙁 Thank god history dictates he will survive till the end of the show. If they dare kill him off I\’m dropping this no matter how good Jung Il Woo is!

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Here’s a treat for anyone who didn’t have the fortune of seeing B.A.P. live and missed Daehyun’s solo version of Shady Lady. It’s a nice jazzy song for a beautiful sunny day.

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And here’s one more for any rock lovers out there. I can’t resist posting it because it conveniently has all my favs and I could listen to it allllllllll day lol I promise that’s it for today though^^

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    Ah. I see what you meant. This is very cool. Haha

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      The instruments make quite a difference, don’t they? BTS has dabbled in rock before with songs like Boy in Luv and Ma City, but unfortunately it’s not a concept they do very often. It sucks because they could also pull it off pretty well and with B.A.P. out of the picture now it’s the perfect opportunity to fill in that gap. I can only assume the reason more groups don’t do rock based songs is because they are hard much harder to make. TS’ in-house producers happened to be extremely comfortable writing in that genre though.

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Since there are people that have never heard of B.A.P. and want some track recommendations, I’m going to be posting music for the next few days. Apologies in advance to all the non-k-pop loving Beanies. I will try to intersperse the songs with Haechi rants to make up for all the music posts!

I’m skipping the iconic titles for now since they are easy to find on your own, but here’s one of my favorite early B-side songs. In my opinion, rock is the genre that suits B.A.P. the best and I’ve yet to find another group that pulls it off as well.

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    Don’t feel too bad about posting kpop stuff. I think enough of us are guilty for posting a LOT of music stuff on the wall that you have nothing to worry about. And we could all use some B.A.P on the wall!!! I think 1004 Angel is one of my favorites of theirs.

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    Dont apologize. There are a lot of music lovers on here. At least it is Korean. I was posting Bristish artist yesterday. 🤷‍♀️

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    As the person who encouraged you to post B.A.P. I guarantee you don’t need to apologise. Also, okay. This is really cool – it’s a spectacular shame that TS was shitty and I see from your pov what you meant about musical direction.

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      The real shame is that in all the seven years of B.A.P.’s existence we never once got a world tour with the live band. Japan was the only one who got that treat (3 times at that!). They have such an epic set-list that gets you on your feet and heart pumping without knowing anything about k-pop, I know they could have sold out arenas around the world if only they had been able to get more exposure.

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I have come to the conclusion that BTS’s music writers/producers don’t actually know much about music, which is why their songs all sound the same to me. Throughout their career, they’ve been re-using the same beats, instrumental tracks, and techniques over and over so much that it doesn’t come as a total shock to me that their entire latest album went in one ear and right out the other. I had hopes with LY:Tear that they were improving on this front, but this was the worst album of theirs yet in my opinion. The only song that I could vaguely recall after hearing once was Persona, and that was just because it was a spinoff of one of my favorite older BTS tracks.

I’m suspecting that, because all you need to make a decent sounding song now is a computer, a lot of music composers nowadays don’t have the musical background knowledge necessary to venture beyond the formulaic box of what they know how to do on the computer. And, as a result of that, the more songs they make the tighter and tighter that box’s constraints become and the harder it is to create distinctly different music. Anyone can write a hit song pretty easily, but it takes a lot more to be able to create music that’s long-lastingly memorable. I was hoping BTS would be a close replacement for the loss of the one k-pop group I stanned, but it looks like there’s sadly no real comparable alternative to my favorite group after all.

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    Who is your favorite group?

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      B.A.P. Although in a lot of ways I’m grateful for their fall from the top, some days it really gets to me that there’s no other group just like them. I highly recommend checking them out if you’ve never heard of them. I might post some tracks on my wall soon as well out of nostalgia.

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        I have heard of them. I watched JB’s episode of Celebrity Bromance with B.A.P. Youngjae. Youngjae used to be a JYP trainee so he and JB are friends.

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        I second this. Disbanded though they may be BAP has amazing music.l and concepts. Bang Youngguk’s latest album is truly amazing.

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        Have you ever listened to TheEastLight? Their music was really different from most groups. They were a band and tried a lot of different styles. I thought their first album was good and their second album was even better. Unfortunately, they’ve also disbanded (?)

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        Yeah please post tracks. I haven’t heard any BAP.

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    **disclaimer. I don’t mean to attack you Hobbakky, I’ve been vocal about my dissatisfaction with this latest album. But I think what you’ve said is unfair on many levels.

    I looked up the credits and there are a LOT of external producers this time, many of them big names like Ed Sheeran. If I recall correctly, I didn’t see Slow Rabbit’s name at all. I don’t know how much artistic control BTS’s in house producers were able to exert.

    [Well I recommend double checking the credits. I don’t know if what I saw was very credible.]

    Until now, the last thing one can accuse BTS producers of, is being lazy on their production. A lot of the music is overproduced in fact. 😅 (But I like it) They may indeed employ similar tricks and techniques but they’ve been working very well so far

    It’s also unfair to expect BTS or any other group to replace your once favorite group. Each group is made of different people and consists of different music. A replacement is impossible.

    But what really gets my goat is to say all the songs sound the game. 😅 Nope. BTS have a wide and varied discography. Although yeah – if you mean this album, yes they kind of do blend into one another. 😑😑

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      Same* not game.

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      You’re fine. I knew the post would ruffle feathers easily, but sometimes I just want to post something without writing an essay explaining why. I easily can end up writing novel-like/essay replies so I’d rather wait for someone to complain before I go into detail ^^;

      I can’t speak much to the producers comment because there’s a lot about music credits that I don’t fully understand, but I’m getting the sense that even after a song has gone through the external producer the owner of the song still modifies and tweaks it to their liking. I’m not entirely sure though. Either way, when I said music composers/producers I meant it very generally. This actually isn’t a problem that’s specific to BTS. I’m realizing it’s very prevalent nowadays, especially when it comes to k-pop, and I think it’s because of how the music production process has become completely digitalized. In some ways, the reliance on computers has made it much much more difficult to write music.

      I’m not accusing anyone of being lazy or that the songs are bad exactly. Like I said earlier, it doesn’t take much to be able to write a good sounding song once you know the formula for how to do so. That’s why pop music is often considered cookie cutter music. Which is fine, by the way, I love pop music and also have a quite a few BTS songs on repeat on my playlist. What bothers me is that their music often comes across to me as being dictated by the computer, which is why I think a lot of the people making their music (and other producers too) aren’t actually educated much in music.

      Ideally, when you write a song you would want to start with a vision of sorts of what you want it to sound like and then work to figure out how you can build that particular kind of sound. But the way these computer programs work is that you’re given a blank slate and a candy shop worth of pre-made “loop” options to build up from by dragging/dropping and cutting/pasting. Unless out of the hundreds of thousands of loop options you’re given you find the ones that exactly match the sound for your envisioned song, you would need to compose it yourself completely from scratch. Without a background in instrumental music/music theory, that’s extremely difficult to do. That’s why what often happens is people instead skim through the options until they hit a loop they think sounds cool and then extend it and make that the base for their song, regardless of whether it’s the sound they originally had in mind. And as they keep doing that with every element of the song they add, it becomes that the computer dictates the vision of the song rather than the composer.

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      @greenfields Part 2 This is why I kept my original post short lol

      That’s what I think happens with a lot of BTS’s music and it’s why I think their songs sound the same. I may be more sensitive to this since I’ve taken a class in music production before, but I can really easily pick out the loops and such that they use in their songs so they always sound very computer-generated to me. And then on top of that, it feels like they are very often picking loops from the same “folders” as if they don’t know how to work with anything other than the ones they’ve worked with before. For instance, it’s hard for me to find songs of theirs that aren’t built off of synth beats. Ever since their debut in 2013, I’ve always been hoping they’d utilize more real instrument sounding tracks than electronic, but sadly, more often than not, they seem to favor the electronics.

      Anyway, I guess this all just goes to say that I’ve learned to stop expecting BTS to grow into the kind of group I wish they would be. I really liked a couple of their earlier albums back in ~2014 so I was holding out hope for them, but I think I’m just going to have to accept that their music just isn’t my ideal. I do still like them as a group though.

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        Thanks for offering this explanation and insight. I now understand what you meant – and actually agree with you a little. Your original post is too brusque. 😅

        Yeah. as far as I’ve seen in videos of their studios etc, there are a LOT of computers. Of the members themselves, Yoongi has a piano and keyboard he uses (I guess?) to compose his music. I really don’t know about any of the others and/or their in house producers. I’m no music person so I look for producer reactions occasionally and a couple have let slip (while making it seem like they love the song but who knows the truth) that “these instruments are not real” or “ah I see now the pattern”. The music is synth heavy, definitely. Especially the titles. Like I said earlier, I think a lot of it is over produced, and could do with a scaling back of the “noise/sound”.

        Synthetic heavy is also a major issue I have with kpop. 😅 Can’t tell what’s computer though, and what’s not. But I don’t much like club music.

        I do however, as a non knowledgable person, have to say this:

        1. Whatever they are doing musically combined with the marketing of the boys is really working. Clearly. 😅 I have to admit it sounds good as well to my non knowledge ears.

        2. This came up on my post criticising the latest album, but I do believe (as a result of #1 that) BTS’s producers’ feedback loop is broken. Everything they put out is an instant hit – so perhaps they don’t feel the need to do anything different.

        3. I’ve been thinking lately that the magic of BTS lies in the b sides, the solo mixtapes, the collabs, SoundCloud releases and the covers. This is where the raw lyrics that drive my love for BTS lie, together with Suga’s best rap (I’m Suga biased – he does lesser in the titles, especially lately). Think songs like “Promise” (Jimin’s 2018 Dec SoundCloud song) or “Song Request” (prod. Tablo, Suga’s 2019 Jan feature on Lee Sora’s album). I don’t know if they’re computer generated or not – but these songs have definitely touched me.

        Q. So you’re basically saying with real instruments they could bring much more variety and life into the music?

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          Synth*

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          But I stick to my point of not hoping you’ll find a replacement for the group you’ve lost. That’s…I think…Not possible.

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            Having dabbled in BAP and Youngguk fast creeping up my favourite Korean composer list, it is impossible but I also see where she’s coming from. BAP and BTS debuted around the same time with a similar debut “concept” at least, that style was popular in 2012-2013 and for a time BAP was bigger than BTS. Then I believe there was some kind of scandal (she can correct me if I’m wrong I haven’t followed BAP till recently) and BTS sort of filled the gap that BAP had made, in fact I have seen people comment about the two before, theorising that maybe if BAP and Block B hadn’t had to go through a lot of stuff so early on in their career, maybe BTS wouldn’t have got as big, if they both hadn’t had so many company issues maybe K-pop would look different now. Ofc that’s a pretty big maybe but it’s interesting to note how big BAP and Block B were at one point and how BTS stepped into that gap. I myself wanted a different direction for BTS’ music too, as you know, and I think it’s natural if one had followed them since the 2014 eras to want them to continue in that vein only to them have LY and this… Well…

            To be honest though, sad as I am we currently have no BAP as a group, I think I prefer the freedom that BAP and Block B currently have in the music careers over the world wide fame and profit driven production like BTS. :/

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            @sicarius – the kind of success BTS are seeing has a lot to do with luck. Being at the right place at the right time and grabbing the right opportunity. Musical/artistic ability alone is not what will make for success. As I don’t have musical knowledge, I won’t comment on anyone’s ability or non ability (and instead just appreciate other’s insight) but I can comment on luck. It’s a real thing. BTS are on a pattern of wins. It’s a pattern that’s incredibly hard to come by. It’s unfortunate that groups you think are better musically didn’t make it to this kind of success but that’s how it is. Luck.

            You know that I prefer BTS’s music over Block B’s × 100. So there’s no way I can honestly agree that that Block B are better musically. Feel free to call me ignorant, since you have some background in music.

            I haven’t heard BAP. On the other hand, I’m glad BTS have been successful enough that their music reached me.

            As for creativity, like I said, I do think Bangtan are freer in the other releases. Even their solos during the LY era, particularly the rap line solos and unit songs were very much them. Computer generated or with real instruments, I don’t know – and this is a point I will concede to Hobakky. I wish they would reduce the synths as well, and it’s entirely possible / likely that they’re using the computer & pre-prepared loops. Given the fast pace at which they’re putting out music, stuff like this is probably quicker as well.

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            @greenfields
            Oh no I’m not talking about the ability of any group over another- my point was similar to yours. BAP was big, then they weren’t and then BTS filled the hole because original style similarities. But it was still Luck that it happened how and when it did.
            My point had nothing to do with music ability or what I think is better or not, rather style and what was popular and what wasn’t and a reason for why I understand why Hobakky felt the way she does about BTS Vs BAP.

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            @sicarius – I see. Since the discussion is framed in the context of Hobakky’s words “BTS’s producers don’t know how to make music” and that using instruments makes for better sounding music (see below, well, growth and long lasting memorability) – I misread your comment.

            But in other words, you do think that the way Block B produce their music is different from the computer heavy in K-pop?

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            @greenfields I think Block B uses a lot of older music influences, namely versions of jazz fusion, and simple percussion beats I can only assume come from 90s hip hop, which automatically means more “real” instruments for the former, and just less everything for the latter, being especially noticeable in their B-tracks.
            Zico has said himself he draws inspiration from that a lot and you can hear it in his work.
            I’m not saying they don’t use computers or digital loops but not many of their songs are heavy on the oversaturated synth, and less and less so now. I don’t even think they have an EDM song at all. They have a lot of other weird stuff, but not, in my opinion, many if any, songs like Hobakky is talking about.
            You might disagree- because certainly their title tracks are not calm, but HER has 60s rock influences, Jackpot jazz, Very Good classic rock and metal, Nillili Mambo classical and classic rap. So… yeah in short, I do think it’s different than most kpop.
            Mostly because of Zico, but they all tend to write older styled songs, with the occasional exception.

            Zico co-wrote Psy’s I Luv It for example- the demo version he wrote is much more retro than the final. Guess which version I like more.

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          The short answer is yes, I do think using more real instrumental tracks would definitely provide great growth and better long-lasting memorability for them. I have questioned year after year why they don’t experiment more with other instruments and now I think I realize it’s because they actually can’t. By the way, by “real instruments” I mean the sound of the individual track in the music file, not necessarily that they need to all learn to become a band. Those keyboards you see in studios are MIDI keyboards and can be used to write any instrument, including percussion, without having the physical instrument plugged into the computer.

          The thing with synths is that they’re the easiest “instrument” to work with because they lean more towards “noise-maker” than musical instrument. It’s the kind of track where the only way you can mess up with it is by over-using it. Often a lot of people new to writing music do something EDM or club sounding for that reason. I remember the professor in my music production class literally put together a synth-based song in 5 minutes on the first day to demonstrate to us just how easily you can make a song that sounds like it could be on the radio with literally zero prior music experience.

          If you think about it, it makes sense that if you’ve never played the guitar or piano before it would be very difficult to compose a song from scratch using that instrument. Similarly, if the only music theory you know is the 3-5-4 chord progression used in pop songs and you’ve never studied about time signatures, different rhythms, counter-melodies and such, it would be very difficult to write a song in a style that differs from that format you’re familiar with. That’s why I said I don’t think a lot of these writers and such know much about music. They may be experts in what they specialize in, but don’t have enough other fundamental music knowledge to be able to experiment outside of that box.

          To be fair, you are right that they are very good at what they’re doing. Although anyone can make a hit, it takes a great amount of skill to be able to do so consistently. But, sadly, being a “hitmaker” doesn’t necessarily mean you are a great PD or composer if you’re always making the same kind of hit, right? I feel like Map of the Soul might be a sign that BTS is coming up against a wall in terms of musicality because of that weakness in music production skills. And with the pressure to keep producing albums that would be hits in the mainstream U.S. music scene, I imagine it’s not very likely that they are going to take the time and risks necessary to attempt to create a hit in a new style that they aren’t confident in.

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            👏👏👏👏 you read my mind

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            “But, sadly, being a “hitmaker” doesn’t necessarily mean you are a great PD or composer if you’re always making the same kind of hit, right?”

            I’m with you. Artistic ability =/= success. Luck has a lot to do with it. Its that undefined “x” factor where you’re in the right place at the right time with the right people and the right opportunity comes along and your rightly grab it and go on to do the right things with it, and that develops into a cycle.

            It’s interesting that you say that the way they make their music is similar. How I wish more people with knowledge broke down music for laypeople. This doesn’t take away my love for them, but I want to understand what it is I’m consuming/enjoying. If they’re taking “shortcuts” of the kind yours taking or if they’re horrible people – these things matter since I’m giving my time and energy.

            I guess for you it’s something similar to what I (as a lawyer) feel when I watch legal dramas. 😁

            Which is your favorite group?

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            (to clarify – I don’t mean that BTS were only lucky. There’s talent, effort, perseverance etc all there.

            But the scale of success they’re seeing – that’s a factor of luck)

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        Hear hear.
        One of the biggest reasons I find it hard to really like any newer K-pop at the moment is because of how little real instruments are used. And it’s why I keep going back to say… Block B’s music for me in K-pop anyway (BAP for you maybe) because of the lack of synth and computer generated loops. It is unbelievably refreshing to hear a guitar after so much digitally processed music.

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    Not my favorite album either. And I’ve read that lack of time and different collaboration may have been the cause. Time because they just finished their tour a week ago. Or it’s possibly because the album is supposed to be lighter in concert. I don’t know.

    But what I do know is BTS wasn’t asking to be the replacement of your stanned group in your heart. If you like it, you like it. If you don’t, you don’t.

    Same as you, I also believe the songs are not memorable. This album will not get them Grammys, if that’s what they are still aiming for. I do think that marketing has come into play more with this album, rather than the songs themselves.

    After SNL performance, I am excited to see them live at their concerts next month.

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      I also disagree with your very first statement. Give them at least some credit. They would not have gone this far out without know how to make one. They would not even make it out of South Korea if they don’t know how.

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      There’s a lot of different factors that resulted in Map of the Soul ending up the way it did, my post was based off of one particular aspect that I’ve been noticing for the 5-6 years with BTS. You can see my reply to greenfields above for more of an explanation for why I said what I did.

      There are a lot of reasons to like BTS and there’s nothing wrong with letting this album grow on you. I’m sure their concerts will be great and I hope you enjoy them. It’s just that for me personally, I’ve reached the conclusion that no matter how many tries I give BTS they just aren’t likely to ever completely live up to my expectations for them. They were in many ways the one k-pop group with the most similarities to my favorite group, but it turns out they’re not similar enough to provide the same kind of satisfaction for me.

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    So @hobakky & @sicarius – thanks for the intro to BAP. Honestly the more I learn about Kpop the more fascinating (& murky) it gets.

    http://seoulbeats.com/2019/03/bringing-hip-hop-back-to-k-pop-a-retrospective-on-b-a-ps-career/

    It’s honestly too bad this group was under what sounds like a shitty company.

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      That is alas the case with a lot of talent. Bad timing, bad management and shitty companies kill a lot of groups. And a lot of my favourites…

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      Kind of sad this article doesn’t really mention Block B who I see as game changes in bringing Hip Hop back into K-pop too, and a link between Big Bang and BAP, given that they debuted in 2011 (their 8th anniversary is today yay), but then I also see Block B as more of a parody group than “socially conscious”, often making statements via what is almost satire than direct commentary and obvious concepts, and they have I would say more of a sideways effect on K-pop than direct stylistic influences like everyone mentioned here so it makes sense.

      Anyway this article is basically exactly what I was talking about in my comment above about BTS filling the BAP hole.

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        Aw, I remember Block B! They were another one of my favorites music-wise, but I didn’t really click with the group itself (and now Zico has ruined it for me…). Block B has a lot of really fun songs though.

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      I got somewhat lost in the flood of comments lol but I did want to add one more thing for you @greenfields Everyone uses loops and computers in their music. That’s just the direction music production has taken now. I don’t want you to think that BTS are cheaters who use shortcuts or something when actually everyone uses the same shortcuts. It makes sense since in-house producers for entertainment companies write several albums a year because they normally have multiple groups to write songs for and they need all the help they can get from pre-made computer loops to be able to push out the amount of songs they do in a year.

      The difference is that a skilled and knowledgeable writer will know how to hide and embellish the loops in a way that makes them much less obvious to the listener. Generally, when you hear the same ~4 measure pattern repeating almost non-stop for the entire duration of a song, which tends to happen a lot with BTS’ songs and pop songs, it’s a sign of weak writing. Does that mean the song is bad? Not at all. The song can still sound great and be addictive to listen to, but if someone’s writing dozens of songs and they all follow the same pattern it can be a sign of the writer’s limitations.

      Although it sucks that B.A.P. had a terrible company, they are actually very fortunate to have been a part of TS and to have gone through the trials they did. They were exposed to a huge variety of music styles, built up relationships with a multitude of different songwriters, and ended up learning a great deal in the course of their seven years as B.A.P. under TS. It ended up being a good experience for them overall and the caliber of their solo releases lately is proof of that, in my opinion.

      This is the one aspect that I think BigHit is failing BTS. The boys aren’t being given enough opportunities to work with different styles and people that can teach them more about songwriting. Instead, RM and Suga are steadily being molded into the next Pdogg or Bang Shi Hyuk kind of “hitmakers” and that’s putting them way behind the curve when compared to other idol producers like Zico and Bang Yongguk. Fortunately, I think this is merely a problem of lack of education. Zico and Yongguk have their fair share of amateur sounding songs, but they were fortunate to have been introduced to great songwriters early on in their careers that helped mold them into the songwriters they are today. I’m sure BTS has similar potential, it’s just a shame that this far along into their careers they’ve shown less growth compared to their peers.

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        Thanks for this clarification ^^ I didn’t mean cheaters and did use “shortcuts” lightly. But I’m enjoying reading your views & I wish I had an agreement/supplement/counter haha. If a more verbose reply comes to mind, I’ll type it tomorrow morning. Just wanted to let you know I read it, thanks! 😊

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Haechi 35-36: So I guess we’ve reached the “noble idiocy leads to angsty break-up” stage of the drama, which I didn’t know was possible considering this is a sageuk and the “break-up” isn’t even between an established couple. But, then again, now Yeo Ji’s role in this story finally makes sense to me. Yeo Ji’s role in Haechi is essentially what Guinevere’s role in Merlin was: the “official” love interest that masked the true love-line because it was between two men. Like, literally, Yeo Ji’s only purpose in the show is to debunk the rumors that Lee Geum is gay. Her absence in the climax proved how she isn’t needed anywhere. Yet the director loves peppering each episode with Lee Geum/Moon Soo insinuations. I suspect Yeo Ji is going to end up being tragically killed off soon…

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Watched a Running Man episode for the first time in quite possibly years and wow, what has happened to this show? I get that they may not have the budget anymore for the giant missions they used to do but the quality of the episode that I saw was just sad. I’ve never felt so strongly before that the cast and crew were trying to force humor into a non-entertaining concept. They have to constantly resort to redundant inside jokes/jibes about the Running Man team to make it funny and the poor guests spend most of the time standing/sitting in the background reacting to the conversations going on around them instead of participating in anything.

I feel like Running Man’s biggest draw was its heavy physical aspect, but now that they’re focusing on low-budget quiz and simple game formats instead it’s lost almost all its appeal. They really should have just cancelled the show rather than let it slowly die out like this.

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    I stopped watching after Gary left. Its just not the same. I loved all of the physical challenges.

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    The network basically gave up on “Running Man” after the cast started to go through changes (starting with Gary leaving, then with the whole “they wanted to fire Song Ji Hyo & Kim Jong Kook” but hellfire from fans happened” fiasco), which made the ratings drop, and has left the show to what it is now T….T

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      I think they were in trouble even before Gary left though. Gary’s even mentioned himself that part of the reason he left is that there was nothing more he could do with his character on the show. They should have changed up the members many years ago when the show was just starting to decline in viewers. Instead they stubbornly persisted with the status quo, even when it was becoming clear that the public was getting bored with the same-old every week, and now they’ve lost the large fan-base and hype that they needed for a reformatting of the show to be effective. I don’t have anything against the new members, but the show itself is just beyond salvaging at this point.

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        I feel like there wasn’t a need of a cast change before everything happened, and I don’t think a cast change now would benefit the show itself because the cast is what and who the viewers love about “Running Man”– that’s why there was such a fuss when Gary announced his departure, and why hellfire was raised with the whole “Firing Song Ji Hyo & Kim Jong Kook without prior notice” fiasco happened… I feel like a change of concept and games is what the show needs

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