So there is this new HK-drama starting this week:

Barrack O'Karma

Could the real mystery lies within its English title?
If you are one of those 24 watchers, please let us know!

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    HAHAHAHA
    The title even has an Irish sound to it.

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    Oh no– no, no no!!
    There’s a reason I stopped watching HK dramas 10+ years ago (so when I was ~ 18 years old) despite growing up watching them ever since I could recall in my memory (and my earliest memory was my 1st birthday cake, so I’ve got quite the memory lol).
    Don’t do it. Just don’t.

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    I’m not surprised, this is from Hong Kong – I think they single-handedly started weird names.

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In addition to the epically grand love story, The Untamed also showcases so many wonderful sibling relationships.

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Shi Jie is the embodiment of love who cares and protects Xian Xian from the first day he was brought back to their home as a young boy.
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Wen Qing would do anything for her little brother Wen Ning even if hell freezes over.
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Lan Xi Chen supports and encourages his brother even when Lan Zhan himself is not aware of his own feelings.
Sibling 3
Deepest love also inspires greatest resentment and jealousy. Jiang Chen loves Wei Wu Xian. He cannot forgive him but he also cannot hate him no matter how much he tries.

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      Is this a trivia question?
      I know Ge Ge but don’t remember Jie Jie or Di Di. Who are they again?

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        Sorry for not being more clear with these Chinese designations!

        Jie=older sister
        Ge=older brother
        Di=younger brother

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      Lan Xi Chen was the first shipper of Lan Zhan and Wei Wu Xian, and therefore he gets my nod. He was also, just plain a good guy. Not perfect, but willing to listen, learn, and bend when necessary.

      To be honest, if Wen Qin had survived, they would have made a good pairing.

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      The older sister and the older brother to our heroes. They feel like such a safe and loving place for them in this slightly scary world.

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        Her love is as warm as the lotus pork soup she makes for her Xian Xian!

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          It is nice that the love is reciprocated too. I love when a story has mutually respectful and loving relationships.

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      Why am I not tagged?

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        Maybe she’s trying to Untamed your obsession. 😂

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          I cannot apologize for my most egregious oversight enough but can only explain with this @outofthisworld….a bit too much sauce when posting:
          Screen Shot 2019-08-30 at 7.37.08 PM

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          I’m already hopelessly out of control.

          I’ve been chanting:
          大妈, 清醒吧!
          这是个娃!

          For now, I’ll call it ‘fascination’

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            You are not the only one! I had actively tried to avoid this rabbit hole first half of my morning trying to watch a new drama. I ended up watching 12 episodes on FF within an hour. That show definitely did not hold my interest long.

            By late afternoon I was back to downloading the audio drama and checking twitter.

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            And….the night before I watched Day Day Up and fell asleep to Happy Camp. That’s my fascination these days.

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            @jenmole
            Same, same! Upon @shach recommendation, I watched Arsenal Military. I think it’s a good drama but I think I’ve wasted it on too much FF. I just wanted to watch all the cute and funny bits with the main couple in it because I kept thinking of all the clips, videos and even any articles I can find. There’s some great write ups on tumblr too. Gosh!

            Who’s on Happy Camp? I know I’ve been living under the rock but I’ve never been a variety person. I think I watched more variety in these two weeks than in years!

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            @outofthisworld The Happy Camp episode I watched was with WYB and XZ.

            I also watched the 10 minute documentary of WYB and his motorcycle.

            Sigh, never too much of this 娃娃.

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            Thanks @jenmole I may have watched it already. I kinda lost track of all the bts and shows!

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      Senior Sister is my fav. I love her so much.

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    Is this as good as Ming Lan?

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      It is a quite different kind of story. The Untamed is in the Xian Xia (fantasy wuxia) genre with Tolkien-esque grandness in its world building, and Ming Lan feels much more like a quiet Jane Austen novel.

      As much as I love Ming Lan and it was such a cracktastic watch for me, I am completely obsessed with the story The Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation The Untamed is based on. The experience of not only watching the drama, but loving reading the novel which brings more the fullness and depth to the story……and the audio drama which actualizes parts of the story that the drama did not (or was not able to) realize, and the beautifully made animation that brings some of the fantasy elements even more fantastical without the drama’s budget constraints.

      The drama is not as tightly executed as Ming Lan but it has so much heart and just as many wonderful characters with lots of depth. There is also enough story to justify 50 episodes. The beginning of Ming Lan is slow, and the beginning of The Untamed could feel confusing. I highly recommend reading the first few chapters of the novel before starting.

      You can find the translation and the Sect Guide here:
      https://exiledrebelsscanlations.com/grandmaster-of-demonic-cultivation/

      Hope you will enjoy it as much as some of us do, @kiara!

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        Thank you so much @kimbapnoona <3. I'm excited to start with the novel first so thank you for the link also!
        I did the same thing with NIRVANA and a few chapters here and there with MING LAN.

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        you guys saw yibo’s new pics from new drama.. so scorching hot

        @outofthisworld lol.. me too.. been trying for 3 days now.. can’t get into arsenal.. literally fw.. and on ep 13 .. lost interest in main couple too..
        somehow bai lu doesn’t impress me in this one.. xu kai..atleast he showed he can bring variety.. but the scorching chemistry is missing

        i am literally on infinte loops of confession audio

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          Same here re arsenal. I try to watch another drama but feel I’m in a stranger’s house. Then go back and watch a bit of Untamed and feel like I’ve come home.
          Today it’s ep 42-47.

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          @alasecond Truth be told, when I first saw the pic, I couldn’t recognise my baby. I thought who did they put in there! Then, I realised it’s him but I didn’t like it. No, that’s an understatement. I got mad, furious at the wig maker. I had to stare at the pics and finally it sunk in, it’s him. I think the turning point was when I saw the pic with his smile – the one where he piggybacked Zhao Liying and gosh! His smile – I was completely, utterly gobsmacked. Suddenly I didn’t care about the hair anymore. Okay, it’s still a little too puffed up on the crown for my liking but I see why they did this – they had to do something very different from Lanzhan’s style. And they achieved it,he looks totally different!

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        Untamed isn’t xian xia, it’s wuxia. Xian xia has more to do with gods living 10,000 years.https://immortalmountain.wordpress.com/glossary/wuxia-xianxia-xuanhuan-terms/#items
        Dramas like Ashes of Love are xian xia.

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        @kimbapnoona Actually, there were a few things that reminded me of Tolkien, like Mordor, the Urukai, all of Nightless City.

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    I feel like I’m part of a cult whose mission is to convert others to our following. Just converted another this morning!

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    I loved Shi Jie the most. I always love it when female characters are portrayed like she’s portrayed, strong, resilient and have so much love to give.

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    This post is just now slowly sinking in…Yes, I had forgotten one of the things I loved most about Untamed were all the sibling relationships and how deeply they were built emotionally with just a few words and a few scenes.
    Sorry to post so much so late but somehow I had lost this thread and hadn’t checked up on it for awhile.
    Today it’s 42-47 day.

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Sunday Afternoon Self Reflection

Fan 1

Fan 2

#1Fan2Untamed

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Please make this WangXian sequel!! They deserve to be reunited for the third time in 2019!
Translation in comment

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Saturday Afternoon Self Reflection


#2Furious2Untame

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    Tell your friends and family that you are taking @cloggie advice and following your artistic calling and spiritual needs. That you will spend next summer at a new job as the wardrobe and makeup Ahjumma on a drama set, then Chronicle your adventures here.

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      Yeah because your friends & family always truly understand when you tell them you’re following the advice from someone on an internet forum.

      Otherwise, I foresee no problems with this whatsoever.

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    That was fast! 😂

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    That makeup artist is my spiritual animal ❤ I will try to not be jealous 😭

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      A spiritual animal who ties a string around our Grandmaster’s neck to make him look like his head is about to be severed 😅

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    Somebody has to this labor, so why not @kimbapnoona.

    Can you delegate some of your work to a team of friendly Nona’s and ahjummas?

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How could one sink deeper than I have with the story of The Grand Master of Demonic Cultivation?

My obsession started with the drama The Untamed, fully immersed with the plight, the descent, and the ultimate redemption of our hero Wei Wu Xian which character was so beautifully captured by the relatively new actor Xiao Zhan. Then when I started reading the novel I was completely shook by Lan Wang Ji\’s regrets and his devotion to our hero even when seemingly all hopes were lost that the love of his life ever return to the land of the living.

During my commute I listen the audio drama when I have energy to spare to entangle my emotion in this rollercoaster of a tale or if I want to unwind the beautiful ost. Two nights ago I started rewatching the drama…..something I have never done with any show meerly a couple weeks after finishing watching for the first time.

The drama and the novel are not flawless, but the characters, their relationships, the wholeness of its worldbuilding, and the hero\’s journey are all making of a classic in all of its epic glory. I am not surprised that The Untamed has now become the highest rated drama on MyDramaList.

When the thought of Mo Dao Zu Shi crosses my mind:

This is my face

When I think about the beautiful portrayals of these characters:

This is my face

Or listening to the audio drama and ost with this face

Of course, this is the only face in trance that really matters 😂😂😂

#GrandObsessionCultivation

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      You express my thoughts so well. Especially this: “… the characters, their relationships, the wholeness of its worldbuilding, and the hero’s journey are all making of a classic in all of its epic glory”
      I’m now on episode 11 of my 3rd rewatch. They were very smart to use so many closeups of the actors to express so much emotional connection.

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      Wooohoooo! I have Lan Zhan all to myself!!!

      I was reading each reply and checking off beanies and yeah! no competition!

      Xiao Zhan was the first to grab my attention. He’s so so good as Wei Wuxian! I see in him raw talent, a chameleon who can be shaped into any role and I already envisioned him in all kinds of characters and dramas.

      It didn’t help that he’s so good looking, beautiful even. I googled him and can this man look less than perfect? My initial posts was declaring him a stand out and discovery of the year. I remember having a conversation with @kimbapnoona and others about Xiao Zhan. I had already taken out my crystal ball and proclaimed a bright future for this guy.

      Yibo and I started on a wrong foot. Maybe it’s the blond bob he wore during UNIQ days and that’s unfortunately one of the first pictures I saw. It stuck in my mind. Yeah, this pipsqueak kpop idol who would find it hard to emote but thankfully had the role of the expressionless Lan Wanji.

      Then as Lan Wangji slowly endeared himself to me, my prejudice wore off and I switched to worried mama mode – what is this guy going to do after The Untamed? I thought he was doing well as Lan Wangji but does he have the versatility like Xiao Zhan? I wasn’t even convinced he could act in anything else. I had to look up his earlier works and I was quite sure he would be terrible – like pop idol actor terrible. Those were done when he was 16 or 17? He even had a drama with Joe Chen Qiao En, a Taiwanese actress who was named Queen of Idol dramas.

      I’ll spare you my journey but now, let’s just say I am enjoying the solitude in the camp.

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        Um…excuse me…just coz I haven’t declared my love for Lan Zhan on the fanwall (YET) doesn’t mean you don’t have competition! 😂

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          Eh…but it’s Lan Zhan you love.

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            pffft….

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            Thank you for sharing part of your bias journey with us, @outofthisworld. Don’t ever do this in solitude. One got to let out all the crazy, at least, on the DB Fanwall, anonymously. We got to have a healthy way to delulu our way into happydom.

            But no, no, no. You don’t have Lan Zhan all to yourself. He only belongs to Wei Ying. Nobody else. NOOOOOOOBOOOOOODDDDDYYYYY!!!

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            @jenmole and @kimbapnoona,

            I’ll leave jenmole to fight with Wei Ying over Lan Zhan. There’s no one here to tussle over WYB, ha!
            I was pretty pretty sure it was the character Lan Zhan I was obsessed over. So I figured the best way is to watch WYB’s earlier dramas, I was completely confident they suck(idol dramas much?) and he’d be hard to watch. This method would surely make the scales drop from my eyes and I’d back to rewatching The Untamed. Fast forward…I have no explanation what happened. This is very uncharacteristic of me.

            @kimbapnoona I know you did your research on Xiao Zhan. Do you have links to your fav interviews?

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            Also, have you checked out WYB dancing?

            You make me want to pick Gank Your Heart up again.

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            @jenmole

            Have I watched WYB’s dancing? I think I’ve never watched so many dancing clips in my life! You must understand this is someone who doesn’t do kpop. I won’t call it an aversion, I just don’t. If I see one, I’ll be like “Ya, nice….next!”

            Now you are making me want to put up some WYB’s posts on my fanwall.

            Gank Your Heart is surprisingly not bad! It’s pretty standard but not annoying or far from terrible. I did spot some areas where WYB was lacking but when he does it right, he’s good. I think why I like his acting is because even when he’s obviously a rookie at acting, he hardly exaggerates. That is my super super pet peeve – I cannot stand any actor who overacts or exaggerates. If an actor is new, they often use exaggerated expressions or canned ones to help convey the emotion. WYB doesn’t.

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            Please do! I’ll be keeping an eye out. We can be ahjuma WYB fangirls. 😂

            I was more annoyed with the candy not WYB. He can do no wrong (IMO). But then again I only watched 6 episodes. You’ve inspired me to pick it back up.

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            I don’t like the actress in Gank Your Heart but it’s not to the point that I can’t watch. When I read the reviews on dramalist, I thought people were saying they prefer the secondary romance involving the second male lead. I got puzzled because I waited and nothing happened. Turns out I read wrongly! I am tickled that even in this drama, WYB’s character is not that different from LZ when it comes to ‘romance’.

            I’m probably older than WYB’s mother so my ‘obsession’ is more of admiration of his talents than anything else.

            I had wanted to ask you, maybe I even did before(blast my terrible memory!) – where are you from, jenmole?

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            I’m from California!

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            Wow, I’m from the other side of the world – Singapore. Sometimes I guess where beanies are from looking at the timings of the comments/posts but there’s this window period when it’s morning here and night where you are that we catch each other and vice versa.

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            I love the diversity of where beanies are! Yes, night time where I’m at. I can finally settle down and finish MDZS novel. 😂

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            @outofthisworld, I actually have not watched too many interview videos but this one I was impressed by how articulate and self-aware Xiao Zhan is as a young man!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo1ZW-22gGA

            Tonight I watched this video of him singing the ost for Oh My Emperor and it is hilarious to see comments saying something to the effect of “so glad he didn’t get the girl because he is for Lan Zhan only”🤣

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUG4yhfnis4

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            @kimbapnoona Thanks! I remember you showed me this video, I’ll watch it now.

            In less than two mins into the video, I am giggling over the fact that Xiao Zhan’s reply word count ratio to Yibo’s in interviews is just like The Untamed script.

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        @outofthisworld I will never fight Wei Ying for Lan Zhan. They deserve each other. I’ll just be like the girl Kimbapnoona posted above. Lol

        Xiao Zhan has lots of interviews that are so cute. Lots of talks about 🌈farts, too. I’ll let @kimbapnoona share her faves.

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    I hate you all for making me watch this. (Not really) Seriously, though HE’S A NEW ACTOR? He’s so good. Not kind of good, but “Oh, my gosh, he just made me cry with a subtle change of expression” good.

    I’m only halfway in, and I understand your obsession.

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      Xiao Zhan is definitely someone who will undoubtedly have a long career in C-ent. He doesn’t only have the looks, the vocal pipes, the moves, and the acting chops, he also seems to be very level headed and has a beautiful approach to to his newfound fame.

      With a new movie about to be released in theater and a drama with Yang Zi next year, I am so excited for him but at the same time not ready to see him as anyone else other as WWX or be with anyone else other than LZ. 🤣

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        I’m still waiting, and waiting, and waiting, for Majesty of Wolf. When I first saw the trailer I had no idea who that beautiful man was who was the 2nd lead.

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        not ready to see him as anyone else other as WWX or be with anyone else other than LZ. 🤣
        I said exactly the same thing previously! It’s gonna be awhile before he’s anything but WY and can be with a – gasp – female. Not when LZ and WY are so beautiful together.

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          IKR, @linda-palapala? 😂As much as I can appreciate that his upcoming drama “The Oath of Love” wanting to take advantage of XZ’s immense surge in popularity, I am starting to feel indignant about all the released photos of their shoots!! I just cannot see him with another love interest right now!! Why can’t the world only move on when I am ready??? 🤣🤣🤣

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            Have you seen the trailers he’s in for Majesty of Wolf? That one looks to be good – if we ever get to see it! I was interested in it initially because of Darren Wang. It was only recently I put two and two together and realized it was Xiao Zhan as 2nd.
            https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yset_ff_syc_hp&p=Majesty+of+wolf#id=1&vid=ee5d5510bcc1f849bfe677cecb6a2664&action=click

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            @linda-palapala Wow so much pretty and cheekbones!
            Please let Xiao Zhan be a canine hunter in this movie!! He needs it so drama karma would be complete. 🤣

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            Forgot how much I loved that trailer!
            There’s a list of dramas that had to change the number of episodes, some shortened (like Golden Eyes/Novoland) and some lengthened, like Majesty of Wolf. I think they were told to add 4-6 episodes, which means surely they had to go back and take old footage and add lots of filler…
            But now, the NRTA is probably going to make all dramas no more than 40 episodes. Sheesh. The makers of Wolf must be pulling their hair out, never knowing what to expect.
            Can you imagine Untamed with any less than 56 episodes? No way could it have had the emotional impact it had with fewer episodes.
            Though I do agree too many dramas have too much filler.

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      He’s been in a few dramas before but this was his first main role. He did play the secondary lead in Oh My Emperor and from what I read he gave everyone major second lead syndrome (I can believe it!). So he isn’t completely new but he definitely is still newer in the field. He does have a huge future ahead of him though. He is currently filming a drama with Yang Zi who is a huge actress which will only launch his career more. ❤️

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        Speaking of Oh My Emperor I see it was just added to the ‘Coming Soon’ section of Viki 🤣 Even Viki can’t get enough of Xiao Zhan!

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          Ha, I added Oh My Emperor as soon as I saw it on Coming Soon! But you never know what Viki means by “Coming Soon”. There are a couple of dramas that have been Coming Soon for over a year. Let’s just hope they jump on the Xiao Zhan bandwagon quickly!

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          Hahaha…..Or Viki’s market research team has written the memo about his crazy fandom and the company is ready to cash in but it somehow missed the fact that OME will undoubtedly irate his entire fanbase by him not getting the girl!! 🤣🤣🤣

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    Your last line! 😂

    WY’s almost pouty face 😍

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    Finally nice to see your obsession on the fanwall. Great choice of pics to express your emotions for CQL, TU, MDZS. Whatever! (Pun intended).

    If this is not love, I don’t know what to call it. I have missed your posts on the wall!

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      🤣 Thanks @jenmole!! Despite life getting in the way for the past month, there are just some days like today I need to channel all my obsessed fangirling energy to the FW otherwise my heart feels like it would burst!!

      The Chinese title of the drama Chen Qing Lin (陈情令) sums it up the best…..it is literally a command to shapen our emotion….something that this story is doing onto me!

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    Gosh, you (and a few others) are making me want to try this drama……. *____*

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Since Li Xian is now crowned by China’s netizens as their “July Boyfriend”, so what else is a girlfriend gotta do in this hot weather but head to the beach together and get lost in the abs?

Or as @outofthisworld states, we do this for sanity’s sake.

After and After-er Pic
Li Xian After and After-er Half Nekkid Pic

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    I know how popular he is with us but do you know if this is giving him a huge boost in China? Or was he already really popular?

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      Yeah for sure! Go Go Squid has the highest TV rating in China right now and both Li Xian and Yang Zi are the two most searched celebrities on the internet. Li Xian has always been seen as a solid actor after his performance in Tientsin Mystic but definitely has gained immense popularity because of his portrayal of Han Shang Yan!

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        Did you watch Tientsin Mystic? I just started because cheeky Li Xian is what I need now.

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          I have seen the first episode a couple months ago to watch him because I was getting impatient that GGS’s airing kept getting postponed, but did not continue because supernatural genre is not usually my thing. Now I might pick it back up for him.

          I did watch most of Dr. Qin for him until I couldn’t handle the overdose of convenient plot resolutions. Have you seen the C-drama adaptation of Pride and Prejudice titled “Four Ladies” @outofthisworld? Li Xian is Mr. Bingley!

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            Also, it is named “Four Ladies” because it adapted one Bennet sister out of the story 😂

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            I too avoid supernatural genre which is why I never watch that recent spate of paranormal kdramas. I’m only into ep 5 and the supernatural stuff isn’t that apparent yet. I’d probably drop it and just admire and laugh at the goofy gifs of his characters in tumblr.

            I’d love to continue with Dr Qin but I found the cases too boring. I love the trio though.

            You watched the ‘Four Ladies’? I did try to check it out but can’t find it. Maybe because I type the wrong name.

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            @outofthisworld,
            The Chinese title is “翩翩冷少俏佳人” and you can watch it on the iQiyi channel here:
            https://www.iqiyi.com/v_19rrfkprdg.html

            I have only seen the first episode and could not get behind this Darcy, but I love that it is set in the Republican era which seems very fitting for the story. If you watch it let me know if it is worth continuing!

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    I’m surprised he has so much muscle. His face still looks like a cute high-schooler to me.
    Was your crush also muscular Noona? 😄

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      😆 Unfortunately I never got a chance to find out @manohira but my fantasy told me yes!

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      Oh I think the opposite. He is actually 27 but I think he looks 30 or 31 and I kind of like that he has a mature(?) face. Or maybe it’s that they had inhabited their characters so well that I believe they are that age but still compared to other chinese actors of this age group, he looks older.

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    Thank you!!!

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    He looks thin in the photo on the left. Anyway, I like that he’s more sinewy than beefcake. Beefcakes never do for me. I like men with just enough to bite.

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      🤣🤣🤣 Beefcakes sound like too much work to chew through.
      Same preference here, @outofthisworld. He looks so ripped on the right that I cannot help but think that it is bulked up a bit through photoshop (or protein shake whichever 😆)

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        I’ve seen some of his YT videos and other photos, he can be quite ripped at times. I guess it all boils down to whether he has time to dial up his exercises.

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    Yup. I’m with you guys and on board with this obsession right now 😍
    https://youtu.be/vE1DNCGpAoY

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      Have not seen you on DB for a while and welcome back just in time to board the Gun train, CoffeeMD @uyentruong!!

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        Hiii! Yess. Work and a drama slump kinda took over. I’ve been silently lurking but nothing caught my attention and make me passionate enough to comment until Gun 😂 of course it’s a hot guy that does it.

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          OMG who knew your shared vid has the prize at 2’17” of not only one half nekkid Li Xian but also William Chan!! 😱😱😱 You win this round, @uyentruong!

          Tagging Beanies in my vague (most possibly false) memories who would even watch William Chan in Side by Side With Boredom:
          @natzillagorilla, @manohira, @snarkyjellyfish

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            Yup yup! I thought you guys would enjoy this gold video a just discovered the other day. I’ve only really saw William Chan in love lost in time which was not my favorite. He’s so silly. But li xian when he took off his shirt 🤤

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    Hi hubby.

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      Whoa @13infamyss, your romance with Li Xian is even more whirlwinded than Squid with Gun!!
      😂😂😂

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        It’s true love, Kimbap. it wasn’t love at first sight but mom approved, am a “little” older but that didn’t put a dent on the relationship. Going strong.

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    As always, and as expected, anyone who’s ever co-starred with Yang Zi gets a boost 😅😅😍😍😍

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    Am I a weird one to say that more than the abs, it’s the arm and muscle veins that get to me more?? Hehehe 😍😍😍😍😍😍
    Thank you for sharing!!!

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    Just wow. That’s all I can say right now. My phone concurs and has died on me. If anyone is looking for me I’m not dead, just without a phone – for real.

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This GIF sums it the first 30 episodes so far: I feel stabby toward how Gun treats Squid most of the times but when he smiles I forgive him for everything…..

Also one little thing: Li Xian looks like my crush when I was 18. So just like most memories, conscious heavy filtering deepens my irrational fondness for him, except the part that he chose to be the perfect boyfriend for somebody else. 😭😅🤣

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    Same. It was a constant struggle between wanting to either bite him or kiss him. Haha It must be love. 😝😍😂 Episode 30 was pretty great. My heart is happy with him right now.

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      It was a constant struggle between wanting to either bite him or kiss him.

      As we have seen in the preview clip, Squid manages to do both at the same time! All a girl need is a little liquid courage 😂

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        I totally want to be Nian Nian right now. The giddy feels from episode 30 is washing over me! Haha

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    Kimbap, a Li Xian look a like from your teenage years??? Well Aren’t you lucky! There were no Deng Lun or Li Xian look a like that ever went my way in this lifetime 😅 maybe in the next one then??

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      Hahaha I am sure my brain photoshopped my crush to oblivion!!
      The cruel cruel reality is that we now get to see each other grow old and/or fat on social media 😭

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        😂😂 how powerful memories and brain are, indeed!

        This is funny. Li Xian is in late 20s in real life but his looks still passed up as the boy from your teenage years! 😆

        another sad fact upon checking out his real age – I’m older than Li Xian 😰

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😱😱😱 OMG she tells him that she is eating strawberries 😋 🍓 😋 🍓😋🍓😋

Now I know 🍓🍓🍓are an life sustaining part of 🦑🦑🦑’ diet

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      No, noona. I stopped watching until the end of the week so I can watch all the angst crap all in one go. It’s all good though. I haven’t seen you in a while. I take it you’re enjoying this one as well? Noona, I miss your voice for the group watches. I really do.

      Re-reading what I typed, I sound a little crazy/weird, but that’s ok. 🤣

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        @hades dongsaeng!! Your “little crazy/weird” is my kind of crazy/weird and it is appreciated here! 😂Squid would have been a great drama to group watch so we can snark feast it together!
        I skipped couple of the stupid angsty episodes all together. The cute is officially back in . 26. Let me know if you think it is still worth for me to go back and watch.

        I have not been on DB as much for the past couple weeks because of life and family obligations but I am spazzing in silence with all of you and have been enjoying all of the Squid posts!!

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          Let me know if you think it is still worth for me to go back and watch.

          🤣🤣🤣Will do noona!

          Thanks for the heads up on the cute being back sooner than was expected.

          Totally get you on life and dramas.

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          Ep 22 and 23 – disliked Gun a lot for how he treats Squid, but the rest of it weren’t bad. I teared up a bit during Solo and Xiao Ai crying scene, that was powerful. For the first time, I felt really bad for Solo.

          Then Xiao Mi’s self-reflection broke me too but really great scene.

          And I appreciated Gun and his stepmom scene. A lot. So that’s worth checking out too. And Gun’s insecurities with his past.

          Will see ep 24 and 25 tonight if viki decides they’re good to watch with subs on….

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            Agree with you! I also like these episodes. I really appreciate Gun’s stepmom. Really, he’s so lucky to have her.

            Regarding Xiao Mi, I also teared up with his scene. Felt how hard for him to retire. 💔

            Yes, Solo and Little Ai! Though there’s a lot of misunderstandings between Team Solo I never hated him. Maybe because I admire him for choosing to raise Little Ai alone over his dreams.

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            Gun and his mom are awesome together.

            The Little Mi scenes are heart breaking but realistic.

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            @lurkermabz @bcampbell1662 RE: Xiao Mi – he keeps saying he regretted quitting at the peak of his career. Now he doesn’t have the same agility and strength like he used to have back then. He tried to get back into shape but body says no. Totally relatable. To me, what’s scarier than death is aging. Do all what you can now while you’re able; you don’t always get second chances.

            I was neutral with Solo. He’s just there as someone Gun doesn’t like to see. But yeah I guess he too had a lot of regrets, mistakes he can’t take back. And this episode really made me feel so sorry for him. He had a big dream with his bros and girlfriend, and all gone in a blink of an eye.

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            As much as angsty episodes usually give me a headache, these weren’t too bad, and we got the added bonus of seeing how awesome Gun’s stepmom is.

            That said, bring on the cute and happy now, and someone hand Squid some beer.

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      I want the BTS for this!!! Hahaha. I wonder if Gun still alive after this! 🤭🤣

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      Noona! Yay! I wish we can schedule a watch and you can live-sub it? I miss your subbing and us squeeing together! Haha Viki is starting to slow down on the subs and I wish I understood Mandarin so I could watch on Youtube. Ugh!

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      add me to you Squid list!

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    This is amazing. Thank you for sharing. Does that mean the angst is almost over? ‘Cause I want to get back to the cute (and the belugas). Please and thank you!

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      I hear ya, @silentbeluga! The cute is officially back in 26. We get some bazooka sized jealousy from uri Gun, and 💥💥💥, the cute is back! 👏👏👏

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        *checks viki* up to ep 25 video available

        😫

        Guess this calls for another raw watching..

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          I even found ALL the remaining episodes which had been leaked illegally….so tempting to just binge it all if not for real life.

          Ottoke, @13infamyss? 😭😭😂

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            Gasssspppp!!!! Temptation to check out is real!

            Crossing fingers this show will be awesome to the end! 🤞

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            Huhu. I also found the leaked episodes. I gave in. I’m so guilty. 💔

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        Oh, good to know, THANK YOU <3

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        Bazooka sized??

        He deserves it.

        Why do the jealous scenes always make me so happy? Lol.

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    Look at how her lips tentacles latch onto his.

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    She thinks she’s eating strawberries??!! Oh squid, you’re so cute. And Gun’s face though 😂😂

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    I want to eat strawberries, Now!! N

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    Com’on, Gun ! Your hands of yours could have hold your Nian Nian closer. I’m sure she wouldn’t have minded ! 😋

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      I am pretty sure Gun’s appendages have all been paralyzed from the neurotoxins Squid has released by contact! 😂

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Inspired by @wishfultoki’s Mid-Year Bean Count Report, here is mine:

K-dramas completed: 5
Eun Joo’s Room
Top Star Yoo Baek
Reach of Sincerity
Kingdom
Last Empress

C-dramas completed: 4
The Story of Ming Lan
Heavenly Sword and Dragon Slaying Sabre
Put Your Head on My Shoulder
Le Coup de Foudre

Korean dramas dropped after more than 4 episodes: 13
My Strange Hero
Dae Jang Geum is Watching
Fates and Furies
The Crowned Clown
He Is Psychometric
Encounter
Memories of Alhambra
Clean with Passions for Now
Romance is a Bonus Book
SKY Castle
Her Private Life
Angel\’s Last Mission: Love
The Secret Life of My Secretary

Chinese dramas dropped after more than 8 episodes: 3
The Rise of Phoenixes
Somewhere Only We Know
The Brightest Star in the Sky

Currently committed to:
Hello Debate Opponent
Macaron Girl (aka Cheat My Boss)
Search Query: WWW

Conclusion: the 2nd quarter of the year C-dramas have been keeping my interests and attention more than K-dramas.

Also dang it, I am totally proposing that we count ALL DRAMAS (not just Korean) for our annual bean count!! For 50+ episode drama, we still get a bean if we fastforward no more than 30%, which is still quite a strict standard to follow for most C-dramas.

What say you, Beanies? 🙏🙏🙏 😆😆😆

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    Yes! Can we count doramas, too?

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      Absolutely!! All Asian dramas including Thai, Taiwan, and Hong Kong!

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        That would be marvelous! Would we use our cbeans for cdramas and jbeans for doramas, etc? Or would it be one big melting pot?!

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    Eun Joo’s Room is still not translated?

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    I think I’ve got @ the same drop count as you for kdramas @kimbapnoona. I’ve been brutal! But mostly its because I am LOVING the shows that stick, so I don’t have patience for the others.

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    Yay for Brightest Star in the Sky! I kid….but one of my favorite watches this year. 😂

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    Yes, I vote to count all dramas! That way I can add a few more beans LOL.

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    Eun Joo’s Room how? It doesn’t have subs. Did you find a summary or subs somewhere or did you watch them raw?

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      I watched it with Chinese subs! Unfortunately as far as I know English subs is still not available for the show ☹️

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        Oh Ohkay. How was it? I’ve been wanting to watch it forever.

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GIF Warning: Youth C-drama PG-13 Content

Wanna find out how we have shifted our attention from Shoulder to ear on the side of MoMo\’s Head?

We will have a brief OTP recap of Epi 21-22 at 8 PM US EST TONIGHT (5/15/19)
Immediately followed by the the final 2 episodes (23 & 24) around 8:15 PM

Join us for our final Ooh La La at https://www.rabb.it/s/2hx6vc

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At last, this is the final week of Head and Shoulder rabbitiering. Join us for the final 4 episodes of Put Your Head on My Shoulder with live subbing by Noona Who Has Obviously Lost Her Head

Epi. 21-22, Tuesday, 5/14, 8 PM US EST
Epi. 23-24, Wednesday, 5/15, 8 PM US EST

We will miss you DoraMo! 😭

Let\’s say farewell together at https://www.rabb.it/s/2hx6vc

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      I will at least be there for the farewell…

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      When I viewed this post on my mobile phone, somehow the gifs show as “This Content is Not Available” which makes me even sadder!! Points to you, Internet!
      😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣

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        I can’t see it on my laptop either.

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            Gu Wei Yi, Gu Wei Yi!!
            Mo Mo, Mo Mo!!

            Look forward to seeing you grow as actors in future dramas and may you be blessed with great parts!!

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            These young Chinese guys are amazing. They are so young when they start out. I believe this kid just turned 20 in January, and wasn’t Dylan Wang (beautiful boy!) just 19 when he did Meteor Garden 2018? I think he’s just 20 years old as well. I also liked the young actor who played the male lead in “The Eternal Love,” which was obviously made on a very low budget, but had a lot of charm, nevertheless. (I’ll never forget the youngest Prince’s outfit, with that chicken feather fluff on the shoulders, in either neon yellow or hot pink. Oh my!) He did quite well for a beginner, and I remember wondering where on earth a 19 year old kid learned to kiss like he did. (I suspect that for some of these young actors/actresses, the first kiss they ever have is for these dramas, scripted and in front of cameras!)

            One reason I really am enjoying this drama is that I like the female lead actress and character. I hate to say it, but I rarely like the female characters in Chinese dramas. (I can’t stand the type of character that the actress who was the lead in A Love so Beautiful and Meteor Garden 2018 plays, or the way they play up her little girl figure and looks with the awful, cutesy outfits. I never am able to believe her as a female that the male leads find sexually attractive. There are plenty of Kdramas with a similar female archetype, and I dislike those as well. It ruins the show as a romance, because it’s like the romance is unbelievable. It’s nice to see a show with a main female character who isn’t a ditz, and knows how to speak up for what she wants. The lead female character in the other Chinese “young love” drama I’m watching (Le Coup de Foudre) is also the “super-dumb girl liked by super-smart boy” type, but her character is aware of – and depressed over – her inability to do well in school, and she’s a kind, nice, very likable person, and they don’t dress her up in silly, childish outfits or have her grin and giggle like a little girl, so she comes across as someone you can actually accept that the stiff, reserved, smart boy falls for.

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            Awwww 🥺🥺 Momo, I can never have your energy in saying goodbye 💔💔

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            So well said, @vespertyne! As you may know I am a big fan of DiDi of all his natural charisma, but here I am just really impressed how good Lin Yi especially considering that this is his first role!

            I am completely enamored with MoMo who is strong, smart, and not afraid to express her displeasure or annoyance. I am enjoying Janice Wu’s Qiao Yi in Le Coup de Foudre because even though she is not booksmart, she is intelligent and as you said, kind, patient, and caring.

            Compare to most K-dramas, I actually find women characters in C-dramas much more empowered especially in historical and wuxia dramas. But I can see that some of the modern rom coms many C-dramas are still stuck in the yesteryear’s candy mode. I hope that strong heroines like MoMo will become a trend in C-dramas (or all dramas for that matter) and that will be fantastic news for women viewers like us!

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            Is DiDi a nickname for Dylan Wang? I haven’t heard him called that.

            I thought he was pretty much THE reason to watch MG-2018, and while he obviously has a lot of room and time for improvement in his acting ability, I was surprised and impressed to learn that Daoming Si was his first role. He did quite well, and was really a stand-out in the drama. (I loved his clothes, too! Whoever was in charge of costumes really knew how to make him look extra good, although they obviously had a lot to work with, and would have had to make a huge effort to make him look even mediocre!) It’s kind of annoying that his next drama is Ever Night 2, and Wikipedia is showing it’s airing date as 2020. If you follow news about him, do you know why he’s waited so long to do another drama (since MG was actually filmed in 2017)?

            As for the female characters in Chinese dramas, I think I’ve been watching some older ones, like A Love so Beautiful, where I just loathed the female lead – both the way the character was written, and the way the actress played the role. I dislike Shen Yu as a female lead, for the reasons I have mentioned. PLus, when they pair her with those really tall, super good looking, popular new actors, it just makes her look less like an adult, and more like a little girl.

            I agree about the historical/fantasy Chinese shows. While she was annoying at the very beginning, I really ended up loving Yang Mi’s character in Eternal Love (one of my favorites!) But I couldn’t stand Ariel Lin or her character in I Will Never Let You Go, and ended up dropping it because I was so sick of looking at/hearing her and the second male lead, who also annoyed me. I struggled initially, but grew to really enjoy Yang Zi’s character in Ashes of Love (another favorite), and cut her character some slack due to the fact that she had ingested a pill to make her clueless about normal human emotions. That was a really fun drama.

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            @vespertyne,
            Yeah, DiDi is the nickname for Dylan Wang. His Chinese name is Wang He Di, so many fans call him DiDi. Di Di of course also sounds like little brother in Chinese so it works well for such a cute young guy like him!

            Join us at our Head and Shoulders rabbit chat group at https://www.rabb.it/s/2hx6vc

            Even though we have finished group watching the last episode yesterday, the discussion is still ongoing! You will find dozens of Beanies who love the show and love to talk about it!

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            @vespertyne,
            Rabbit app is quite glitchy. To scroll through the chat I recommend using the mobile version, but for group watching desktop is much better.

            I agree that Dylan Wang did a great job in MG as his first role as well! Although he started out a little green but I could see good improvement by noble idiocy time toward the end! The crying scene of them together at the Chinese restaurant in London is quite moving. But Lin Yi here I feel is consistently good since episode 1 but perhaps the character is less challenging than Dao Ming Si. DMS is a character that is easy to hate in the beginning but Dylan Wang portrayed him with enough charm that I could still stomach watching a jerk who is prone to violence until he changes for the better! 🤣

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            I’m not sure why, but I don’t have access to the last episodes of PYHOMS available yet. I have only been able to watch 1 through 20, and per the channel I’m watching it on youtube, episode 20 isn’t available until tomorrow (16 hours from now, and it’s currently 12:31 PM PDT, so that means it’s available in the wee hours of tomorrow morning).

            Are you guys watching it without subs? That would be pretty meaningless for me, as I speak zero Mandarin.

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            @vespertyne,

            Yes, we were watching raw episodes without sub, with me voice translating live since I am fluent in both languages. That was actually the biggest reason for the group watch -since the subbed episodes were not released 10 days after the raw episodes, I wanted to host the group watch so Beanies who are fans of the shows can watch it sooner! Yep, we are devoted drama addicts! 🤣

            The subbed episodes of 21-24 will be released soon, tomorrow and Saturday. Enjoy!

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        Gah Kimbap! This is heartbreaking! Even your gifs were sharing the same sentiment! No new contents are available now! 💔💔💔

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      I don’t think I can make it for the group viewing, either. I easily caught up with all the earlier episodes b/c I binge-watched t hem, but the timing just doesn’t work out for me.

      However, I hope you will have a discussion here on your dramabean page, so that we can talk about it PYHOMS when it concludes. I haven’t found recaps of Chinese dramas that I enjoy reading. There are a few sites that do, but the recappers seem more interested in showing how witty they are, and they tend to go on and on about second lead actors/characters that I either actively dislike or am indifferent to. (I suppose one day I’ll get second lead syndrome, but so far I have liked the male lead better in all of the dramas I’ve watched).

      So, it would be nice to have somewhere to chat about PYHOMS once it’s concluded.

      question: Where on earth do Korean and Chinese casting directors manage to find all of the non-Korean, non-Asian actors to play various minor roles in these dramas? Because they are uniformly HORRIBLE! As in, laughably bad. And I’m reminded of this because of the previews of the next episodes of PYHOMS, where some obviously NOT British blonde girl, with a terrible non-British accent, and zero ability to act, is trying to claim Gu Wei Yi as her BF. The only half decent performances of these types of actors I’ve seen was in The Golden Eyes. The Russian art gallery owner and his estranged wife were both “fair to middling'” rather than horrible.

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    That’s a very painful 5.30 am my time. 😆 I may love Gu Wei Yi but I love my sleep more. Will join you all in the fanwall fangirling! And catch up in the subbed eps whenever they’re out later this week.

    Have fun! It was amazing to hear your translation kimbap. With all the context you provide you’re even better than the subs. 💕

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    🙁 I will still be at work, sorry.
    🙁 The show has ended/will end. Going to miss Wei-Yi and MoMo.

    For the last 4 episodes though, I wish MoMo would return some of the love back to Wei-Yi. He has been really attentive and caring towards her, but she has, most of the time, not noticed nor acknowledged that she was touched. I just want my boy to feel loved and appreciated!

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    I can make this one!!!!!! hope you all dont mind me on mic. I promise I wont speak over Noona

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    *silent tears*
    I’ll be in a plane…

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The second lead in Put Your Head on My Shoulder is nowhere near the worse villains in the history of dramas but nevertheless annoying in a show full of heart-shaped firework. However I do recognize traces of him in people I encounter IRL.

This screencap (with slight editing) encapsulates how I feel about Fu Pei, but after reading the novel I am thankful that the drama actually makes him a more sympathetic guy. Yes, he is worse in the original story. 😤

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    Where did you find the novel, I’m assuming, online??

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    My only issue with this drama is that I didn’t fall in love with the rest of the characters aside from Momo-WeiYi. I couldn’t connect well with the side characters and I feel no genuine friendship between them.

    In A Love So Beautiful, the friendship that formed in their highschool to the busy years of their university and career life was so beautiful and precious. Girlfriends had each other’s back, and Jiang Chen and Wu Bo Song had Lu Yang, vice versa. The drama didn’t only focus on Xiaoxi and Jiang Chen’s romance. Even if Fu Pei wasn’t really into Momo romantically, he wasn’t a good bestfriend to her either overall.

    In A love so beautiful novel, this precious friendship was nonexistent as well, so I’m glad they added this bit in the drama.

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      Also it’s very rare that I liked the friendship formed on the university level. Reply 1994 and Cheese in the Trap were my least favourite friendships.

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      Yes, but even though we don’t get as much friendship building (or even with family) with other characters in this drama we get so many more sweet relationship development for OTP and cohabitation hijinks. I do love the unusual physics lab bromance! GWY eventually takes care of Zhou Lei in his own ways.

      I think this is really mainly a youth rom com, and ALSB is more of a coming of age story.

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        Yes absolutely! And that’s what this drama excels at – great character development for its main lead. I loved that they’ve got each other now as not only lovers but best friends too to each other.

        And yes I do like the friendship that formed between Wei Yi and Zhou Lei. It was a bit painful to see that part though when the Senior from Germany kept shutting him down for the opportunity to study abroad, but I’m glad he didn’t turn against Wei Yi over that. Rather they spent time studying and discussing where Zhou Lei was struggling in.

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      When Shan-shan told MoMo that they should fight fair (way back at the beginning of the show), I thought I’d love this show for staying away from crazy secondary female leads. But then, I felt like Wei-Yi did: [her presence at the OTP’s house] is annoying ^^

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        Yes! I also love MoMo would just tell Fu Pei straight to his face that “you (the person) are ugly”
        👏👏👏👏👏

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        Actually I found Shanshan’s actions really distasteful. She is first and foremost Momo’s friend and without knowing the full context (or worse she did and still chose to act the way she did), she kept encouraging Fu Pei to resolve his issues with Momo without caring that Momo literally told him to stay away for a while. I felt slightly more sympathetic towards her after what Gu Wei Yi told her (something along the lines of, I don’t remember exactly): “You may think your actions are great right now, but I don’t appreciate it.” At first I couldn’t understand why she was doing what she was doing, but then after that I was like “oooo, she’s doing it for love and she thinks she can because she has good intentions.” And the whole fighting fair thing seemed sudden as well because she never confirmed with Momo what Momo’s feelings were regarding Fu Pei (if they have changed, etc.) before just randomly declaring a competition.

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          I love that Wei Yi put her in place! And I agree with you, she had vested interest in Momo and Fu Pei’s make up, so she forcefully asked them to do so. She didn’t care that Momo’s issue with him runs deep and she would need time to get this sorted out with him.

          There’s just something about Momo and Shan Shan’s friendship that I’m really uncomfortable watching. Didn’t help that I had to once again 🤨…..🤨 when she swat Momo’s hand away from touching an oily bread. Like gurl! Let her eat however and whatever she wants, she’s not 5!

          I’ve been skipping a whole lot of Fu Pei and Shan Shan part, so I shouldn’t be saying this, but I honestly feel like they’re just wrong for each other. I don’t have any argument to back this up cuz I skipped their parts, but yeah.

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            I loved the ff 15s button a lot.

            I would say that the characterisation of ShanShan has been consistent from Ep1. The ‘I know best for everyone in this room’ attitude, which could have come from the four years they spent as roommates. Still, irksome.

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            @nanograpes,
            Shan Shan’s character in the novel is much worse. She aggressively pursued Fu Pei even knowing that he and MoMo still have unresolved feelings. Shan Shan is not seen as a friend by the three other roommates. I do appreciate that the drama keeps in its own light spirit to make her a more decent human being, but nevertheless as you said rightly, still irksome.

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            yeah, at first I couldn’t see why Shan Shan fell for Fu Pei, but then gradually it made sense or rather, it still didn’t make sense (I couldn’t see how Shan Shan was able to see the good in Fu Pei when all he’s been was a self-centered coward), but I could see how Shan Shan’s belief/faith in him brought out the best in him. Her know it all attitude actually was exactly what he needed to turn his life around.

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Rewatching Episode 1 of Put Your Head on My Shoulder last night, I was impressed by how well done the the exposition episode is introducing all the main characters\’ personalities and their current relationship dynamics as well as hints of their future relationship.

In the first 3 minutes of the episode, we see MoMo\’s \”College Plan\” she wrote for herself when she was a Freshman:

1. Catch up on learning about Marketing
2. Successfully graduate
3. Find a job I like
4. Go camping with friends
5. Date happily once

I love how the first 3 things she listed relate to her career ambition! This of course also sketches out the roadmap for the story.

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