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Does anyone else think they’ve seen that waterfall from Catch the Ghost ep 16 before? Isn’t that where Mama Fairy lost her wings in Mama Fairy and the Woodcutter?

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    I didnt watch that one but it also looks like Tale of Nokdu’s bathing waterfall/pool in the Widow’s Village!

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No. 1 best thing about Catch the Ghost — the scenes between Ji Seok and Mom. The rest of the story fades into the background when they’re together. They could be spliced into a completely…

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    different drama about people and their hardships, and their scenes would still be the highlight, so touching and authentic. Really memorable performances by Nam Gi-ae and Kim Sun-ho.

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camellia, ep 20, min 41 — I just want to scream. (More below)

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    DB: “Why is life so cruel only to me?”

    You mean compared to your mom, who lived pitifully and is at death’s door? Or compared to HM, who was brutally murdered after a pathetic life? Are you kidding me? You have a successful business, a loving son, and you’ve just been welcomed back by the guy you dumped, the guy with the biggest heart in the world. You know why you’re a loser, DB? Because you think of yourself as a loser. After everything that’s happened in this drama, hearing this line from you makes me think you don’t deserve all the good that you have in your life.

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      Yeah, I just sighed at all the self pitying. Even when she was with the doctor I wanted to slap her upside the head.

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      I never could like this show because of exactly this reason. Her constant self-pitying nearly drove me mad. GHJ has an irritating way of whining in all of her roles but I had never gotten this frustrated at her.

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    OMG — I was wondering why we cut to the Salvation Army Christmas collection. And why she’s complaining about receiving pencils from Santa. Do camellias bloom in winter? Because the background music is The First Noel. Gah! It’s going to be a Christmas miracle ending. Who could have believed it!

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      That Salvation Army cut made no sense whatsoever! In fact, I think the editing of both ep 19 and 20 were off. They were probably running out of time to do it properly.

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        I think it was their way of doing a time jump and the execution was not that great. So Mom was in the hospital fall which lead into winter and then it was Spring when Yong-sik was talking about their wedding.

        Also, DB and Yong sik did not age either which, was kinda dumb for the production to at least try to age them up a bit. Yong-sik would be what 40 or 42 at that time. I few winkles and a gray in the temple would have sufficed.

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Catch the Ghost ep. 10 — I am so mad!!! More below:

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    I hate what the writer has done to Ma-ri. In what should have been a triumphant episode about identifying the Subway Ghost, instead we have vicious Ma-ri humiliating YR by exposing the fact that she left her autistic sister — and why? To get revenge for YR actually finding the Ghost’s lair with WH. Does she care that the case is being solved? No, because she didn’t solve it personally. I love this actress and I hate this part for her. Ma-ri is simply detestable. And what was that pat on the head from Mom — was it sincere or sarcastic? I honestly couldn’t tell.

    Why else am I mad? Poor struggling JS is suspended for three months because he didn’t know he was being deceived. Shouldn’t YR get at least equal punishment? Shouldn’t she actually get fired? If finding the Ghost’s lair was extenuating circumstances, why don’t those circumstances apply to JS too????

    Why else? Because instead of making us glad that we’re closing in on the Subway Ghost, an evil serial killer, we instead are being coaxed to feel sympathy for poor Curly Grasshopper, because if someone taps a pen or he doesn’t take his meds, he turns into a clever and calculating killer. And was he the jogger, too? I have to go back and look. Come on, show, give us a villain we can hate, not one we’ll have to cry over because his meds just didn’t do the job right. Too pathetic!!!

    Ugh!

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      This is why I stopped watching after ep 4. YR is causing too much damage with no consequence and they made JS a idiot because having a crush only does that.

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      Ma-ri making the case personal has been rubbing me the wrong way – and her incredibly petty behavior today made me so angry. It doesn’t matter that she had a valid reason for ignoring Yu-ryung at first because of video of her abandoning Yu-jin – a superior should never ever humiliate a subordinate on such a personal level like that in front of her team. That is such bad leadership, not least because it diverts attention from the work at hand which is stopping a freaking murderer. Not to mention she is antagonizing the family of a victim – a family member who has lived with guilt and no news of her sister for two years. Even if what Yu-ryung did was wrong, and it was, that is no reason to belittle and humiliate her. There is no reason to do that to anyone ever.

      I get why Ji-seok was suspended; I disagree with it, but I understand why he was given the harsher punishment. As a supervisor he could have done a better job. But it’s 100% not his fault he was deceived, but he also clearly had not trained his rookie properly to realize the gravity of her actions, and that is on him. Does the punishment fit the crime? No. But it is fair to punish him harshly. If we are making comparisons it makes less sense that Ma-ri isn’t called out for her treatment of Yu-ryung. If I saw a team captain behaving the way she did I would discipline them and move them out of leadership until they can learn to actually lead.

      Also, I half think curly grasshopper is a red herring. There’s too much show left for it to be that easy. (Also, he wasn’t the jogger.) Unless the show wants to fill in more of his story before the end, I can see it being a distraction. I’m more inclined to believe it is someone related to the grasshoppers – perhaps curly’s sibling?

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    Ok so I agree with you regarding MaRi wholeheartedly. I wish the writer had written her better! The rest @SnarkyJellyFish has said it really well. One thing that I would like to add is that I don’t think we are supposed to feel sorry for the criminal. I think the meds were their to add a little more depth and story to his character than to make us feel sorry for him!

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      I think the part that annoys me the most about how Ma-ri is written is not only is it bad, it is also lazy, especially given that we know how personal her work it’s to her. To have her act petty because of her ex as opposed to delving into the deeper questions of the pressure she has to perform well and prove herself on her own merits is a waste of potential and the writers chance to create another interesting female character. I’m not saying Ma-ri needs to like Yu-ryung or even get along with her, but basically making it about a boy is just dumb given there are so many other things they have already put in place to work with.

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        I agree with you on so many levels. I’m really enjoying the show but the way Ma Ri has been written always puts me off!!

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Catch the Ghost ep. 9 — comment below (spoilers!)

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    Subway Ghost’s mother — “My son has a broken heart” — did such an obvious double take when she saw YR that there isn’t any doubt that she’s seen YJ. I think she’s probably taking care of YJ for her son. For some reason, he must have taken pity on her and let her live. Ghost’s Mom seems to know that he is the Subway Ghost serial murderer. Is there really a mother out there who would make excuses for her son and let him keep murdering innocent people, just because he has a broken heart? The show seems to be hinting that Ghost’s Mom is going to use JS’s Mom as security to keep her son from being caught. Not looking forward to that.

    Are there still people who think WH is the Ghost? Even though he’s running around with Ma-ri trying to catch the Ghost while Choi Mi-ra is being assaulted?

    On the other hand, what are the chances that Jogger Guy is the Ghost? Wasn’t it kind of strange that she let a witness like that get away without even writing down his name and contact info?

    I’m disappointed in YR for passing up another series of opportunities to tell the truth to JS. He’s already shown that he’s not going to blame a full-time sole caregiver for melting down. I suppose she wants one more night of searching the tunnels with WH, so that they can get Major Crimes’ attention for her sister’s case. But for all her high regard for JS, she’s still recklessly endangering his job, even though she now knows that he has to support his mother.

    One cute detail — last week, we saw just JS taking notes on YR’s mental subway map deductions. Today, everyone except MR were scribbling in their notebooks.

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My storyboard for EY eps 15-16 below.

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    Kyung is happy at first that Dan-oh only has eyes for him and has forgotten Haru. He gives her his mother’s ring again and she accepts it happily. They plan their wedding. Dan-oh is confused about why Haru is sad around her. Even Do-wha can’t get through. But Kyung can’t forget that he killed Dan-oh in the last story, and he decides he doesn’t want to marry Dan-oh if she’s not aware. He triggers her memory, and all her feelings for Haru come back. Kyung acts like he’s going forward with their wedding anyway, but at the last minute he pulls a substitution the way Haru did at the party, and instead of Kyung and Dan-oh, it’s Haru and Dan-oh on stage at the right moment.

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Camellia ep 18 — comment below with spoilers

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    I thought it said a lot about this drama that the triumph of catching Joker was cut short with a change of scene to DB bringing Pil-gu home. Yay, we caught Joker, but that’s not the focus of this story. The highlight is DB, her family, and her community — taking broken lives and making them whole. That’s why I’m hopeful that next week Pil-gu and Deok-soon will find a way, together, to bring DB and YS together again. The Camellia hasn’t bloomed yet.

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      I don’t even want them together. Pil gu has shown time and time again that he wants his mother for himself and that is not going to change. Yong sik is way to good for both of them and his mother is right, he can do better and with less baggage. This would not be a problem for me is DB had the right balance of a relationship with Pil gu, but she does not and she should pay the price for it. Yong sik should not.

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        I agree with you that this drama approaches DB’s relationship with Pil-gu too simplistically. Pil-gu wants his mother for himself, but he’s also shown that he can be self-sacrificing. DB wants to be with YS, but she also is trying to be self-sacrificing. YS wants to be with DB, but he can’t argue with her emotional logic as a mom. Yes, DB should have found a way to balance the men in her life. I suppose it’s a bow to her childhood for her to put her own child first. But it’s also a reason for two more episodes, and a chance for her mom and his mom to do something to redeem themselves. Even if DS is right, she has no business interfering in her son’s life at his age, or coming between Pil-gu and his mother by shooting off her mouth about burdens. You may wish YS had a more deserving girlfriend, but you can’t promise him that he’ll find one in the future. Meanwhile, his heart is breaking. So yes, I want to see an ending where YS and DB are married, Pil-gu realizes that he can have his mom and share her too, and DS welcomes DB into the family. My other secret hope is that Ja-young will take KT back again.

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        That’s how boys do with their moms. As a mom I would choose my kid over a love interest as well, it’s very complicated but that’s it. Pil Gu needs some situation there that he would understand that there is space for another guy to love his mum unconditionally. He is still in protective and possessive mode. That’s how life works.

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Camellia ep 16 – So sad for Hyang-mi, who wanted to turn her life around and pay everyone back. So excited about preview for next week. Go, neighborhood team!

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    Someone said at the beginning of this drama that it was a show about a neighborhood as much as it was about the leads or the murder mystery. It seems like the writer is going to pull that thread to the forefront now, and I will be really glad to see how DB went from being an outcast to being accepted to being protected by her neighborhood people.

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    Also, I keep coming back to the idea that Joker is DB’s father. That could explain why he’s obsessed with her and the people she cares about. Which would make this, in part, a story contrasting bio family with found family.

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EY ep. 11 — It wasn’t hard to guess that Nam Ju’s mother would have been the evil queen in the sageuk comic, but I never would have guessed who Dried Squid Fairy turned out to be in that story.

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Way back in the first few eps. I remember speculating that YS’s father may have been one of Joker’s first victims. After this week’s eps, I’m wondering about that again. A really hot fire…. Hmm…

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Who said EY ep. 9 was fluff? That soliloquy of Dried Squid Fairy in the library was pretty revealing. I wonder how many same-stories they’ve lived through? This has to be at least the third.

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    Is it like Groundhog Day? They have to keep reliving it until they do it a certain way? Different era, different costumes, same story, again and again? Or can they escape?

    I felt like there was something Harry Potterish about the prop shop….

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First few minutes of EY — YES!! It was a cut from a sword! (Jumping up and down with excitement!) That’s what I thought from the first time we saw his scar.

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A few thoughts on today’s ep of When the Camellia Blooms below:

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    1. We’ve gone from a romance/neighborhood/slice-of-life story bookended by murder mystery scenes, to sprinkled with murder mystery scenes, to knowing who will die, to having a countdown clock. Yikes, I’m a little afraid what the first scenes next week will be.

    2. Hyang-mi ended up dying for DB, because Joker expected DB to make the delivery and called back when she didn’t. I’m pretty sure Hyang-mi recognized him, because I am more sure than ever that it’s Heung-shik’s mysterious father, the other person who was in the apartment.

    3. Hyang-mi’s backstory was really sad. All this time I thought she was being blackmailed, and it was just her privileged scumbag of a brother sucking money from her, while she had nowhere to live and was committing crimes to support him in comparative luxury.

    4. I hope DB recognized that hoarse cough. Why didn’t she call YS?

    5. I actually liked the way Gyu-tae told off Hyang-mi and pointed out the differences between her and DB. She was so much like an unloved stray dog.

    6. I also liked the way Hyang-mi told off Jessica. They were really so much alike, but with different outcomes.

    7. Was the whole point of YS’s mom’s rant a plot tool to separate them, so DB would be alone tonight?

    8. I was laughing so hard I was pounding the table when Mom grabbed Jessica’s mother and dragged her out of the bar, then excused herself, “I have dementia.” Ha, ha, ha!!! It’s good that the writer can make us laugh about something in the middle of a murder countdown.

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        Two people were at the scene of the last murder. One set off the sprinklers. What if HS is a firebug? Hence the lighters and the sprinkler, the fire in the Little League office. The other is Joker. He has a hoarse voice. He stood in the doorway of Camellia muttering at the end of a recent episode, and DB greeted him. Isn’t it very strange that HS would lock his father in the store and say it’s better that way? And that HM would hear another person at his spooky house? Either his father is Joker, or the father is alive only in HS’s mind and has something to do with him being Joker.

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            Oh, yes, she was. Because she went home with the guy who’s feeding/poisoning the cats, and the guy who’s feeding/poisoning the cats is HS. HS who has lighter burns on his furniture, who burned the underside of the table at Camellia while YS was painting the wall.

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            So where do you think the clues lead? Or do you really think the writer is just tossing lots of red herrings, and will pull a giant surprise at the end?

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For a little comic relief:

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Funny how Haru became a flat character as soon as he forgot Dan-oh. Haru as Kyung\’s sidekick might as well be a faceless extra. Meanwhile Kyung started to be much more interesting. I love the way he used the shadow scenes to rebel against his father’s schemes.

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Observation re Camellia — I always skip the intro, but today I rewound past the 1st scene and watched a bit. This intro is light and romantic, not likely to introduce a drama where FL gets murdered

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    Yea. But somebody died. Not that light, imho. 🙁

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      Somebody did die, and now we know who. Somebody did show up with the cat food, too, but is he Joker (as many suspect) or a red herring? I still wonder about his mysterious father.

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Watched the first ep of Catch the Ghost instead of Nokdu tonight. I really wanted to like it for Kim Sun-ho, but I found the mishmash of comedy and crime thriller just too dissonant. On the one hand, we have a couple of high tech kidnapper/rapists, and on the other hand the incredible slo-mo flight of our reluctant rulebound hero on a Barbie-pink moped. On the one hand, a missing sister and a mysterious yet prankish serial killer, and on the other hand our spunky heroine investigating in a way that’s more likely to make her the next victim. I really wanted to like it. I really did. But it just felt SOOOO awkward.

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    I’m giving it 4 episodes to decide.

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      I decided to hang in there with you, and tonight was quite a bit better. But the scenes I liked best were between KJS and his mother. Those were just lovely.

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        I hope they give Jung Yoo-jin something better to do than wander around with a flashlight and look thoughtful.

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    I feel like it’s trying too hard at the comedy. And also another dumb police show. Sigh.. I’ll probably stick around though because I don’t have other shows to watch on Mon-Tue.

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What if Dan-oh has to die in Secret to get back to her rightful place in Flower? What if that\’s exactly what happened to Haru?

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    Did anyone read The Magician’s Nephew? What if the black hole can take you to a place like the wood between the worlds? And you can fall into different manwha worlds?

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What if Joker left DB alone all those years because she was miserable, and now he\’s angry that she\’s asserting herself and finding happiness?

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    What we know about Joker so far:
    1. He’s killed seemingly random people.
    2. He lives in the neighborhood.
    3. He’s a regular at Camellia.
    4. He used to wear black sneakers.
    5. His murders are connected with fires.
    6. Someone knows about him and set off the sprinklers last time.
    7. He’s connected with a lighter and paint thinner.
    8. He has access to that abandoned building.
    9. He apparently is poisoning the neighborhood cats. If he’s the poisoner then HM was sitting with him in the alley. She could give him away to YS.

    HS is so obviously a candidate that I’m still leaning toward his mysterious father.

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Did you notice how everyone was using Joker\’s line today? It felt like the writer was messing with us.

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