The Issue of Size Seniority In The Untamed

Who knew Liu Hai Kuan can be so funny? He’s really the King of Gaffe.

credit: https://ohsehuns.tumblr.com/post/186984521624/the-untamed-sina-live-broadcast-somehow-turned








The Chinese phrase “ๆฏ”ๆˆ‘ๅฐโ€œ can mean “younger or smaller than me”. Then he wanted to say “้•ฟๅค„โ€ which means “strength” but instead he somehow left out the 2nd word and “้•ฟโ€œ means “long”. The whole thing rapidly turn into an outrageously hilarious mess until Wang Yibo pleaded with him to stop explaining(and making it worse).

Lanzhan would have used his silencing spell to save his bro from all the embarrassment!

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You tell a genie to bring you to the secret place – where a man so beautiful and ethereal, walks and lives like on clouds. My eyes smart at his dazzling aura and I choked on his beauty.

#TheUntamed#Hanguanjun#Lanzhan#Lanwangji#CloudRecesses#NOT

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    My parent’s first trip abroad was to Singapore and it was also hazy at the time though for a different reason (i.e. slash and burn in Malaysia). I hope they stop the fires soon and staying indoors is an option for you.

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      I’m sorry to hear this. It’s usually around this time of the year where the dry season makes slash and burn practices in nearby forests a problem. It’s almost a yearly affair, just a degree of how bad it gets. Thank you for your well wishes.

      I can’t go for my runs which is a bummer, will have to stick to my gym. I can of course spend even more time inhaling HGJ!

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        Inhale away! 😂 Between you and @jenmole, HGJ/WYB isn’t getting much rest. ๐Ÿคฃ

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    The most important question is how you can get to the cold spring so you can get a nekid Lan Zhan sighting……

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Happy Chuseok to all Beanies! ไธญ็ง‹ๅฟซไน!

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When Gusu Sect went broke and became thugs
(Title and gifs credit: https://ohsehuns.tumblr.com/post/187634204164/au-where-gusu-lan-went-broke-and-became-thugs)
This is HILARIOUS! It can’t be cheap maintaining those pristine white robes, spotless abodes and sprawling grounds. Not to mention the amount of shampoo and haircare products for all the members.




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    @trinpie, @kimbapnoona, @linda-palapala @shach @jenmole @zetteceniza @giegie0384 @1tea1 @alasecond @bcampbell1662 @egads

    I can’t find this anywhere. If anyone chance upon the video for this short film clip in Day Day Up, I’ll be forever grateful ๐Ÿ˜€

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      Where did you even find the short film clip?!

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        I have no idea where this tumblr blogger got it from, he/she just mentioned that it was a short film in the Chinese variety talk show that Wang Yibo hosts. Looking at it, I think it’s probably a while ago.

        I am searching using Chinese but I still can’t find it so far. Figured I am just bad at such stuff. I need better search skills!

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      It’s not in HD and I hope it works in your region. It’s a 10 minute clip but you’d need to go about the halfway mark.

      https://youtu.be/V1jF1b-51X8

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        Thank you thank you!

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        Wow! They had Michelle Yeoh and some renown martial arts film advisor?

        The skit was so much fun! I must say Yibo’s earlier demo with the spear was impressive. One comment made 3 years ago said he has potential for wuxia. Well, it’s come true!

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          He is quite talented. Being a great dancer definitely helps. I need to stop watching all these WYB videos. 😂

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          Happy Mid-Autumn Festival! Where are postings of your mooncakes this year?

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            ไธญ็ง‹ๅฟซไน!

            You remember my mooncakes? I didn’t make any. I bought the ingredients but I’ve been baking bread instead and of course coupled with this obsession, I just plain forgotten!

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          Your mooncakes were always so pretty of course I remember!

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          @outofthisworld Just in case you didn’t see this article from Soompi on 8 Reasons to Watch Untamed, here’s a quote about Wang Yibo’s acting:
          “While Wang Yibo might seem very inanimate at first with his dead gaze, itโ€™s absolutely amazing to see him come alive as Lan Wangji grows closer to Wei Wuxian. Wang Yibo managed to convey Lan Wangjiโ€™s micro-expressions perfectly, to the point that you just canโ€™t imagine anybody else in his place. The way he looks at Wei Wuxian like he hung the moon and stars, the way his lips turn up at the corner into the tiniest smile, the way his entire expression softens when Wei Wuxian walks into the roomโ€ฆ itโ€™s a great portrayal of a character whoโ€™s largely known to be expressionless and therefore all the harder to play.”
          “The MOON AND THE STARS” oh my, oh, my.

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            I just read it, thanks to @bebeswtz post on her fanwall.

            You people are making it incredibly difficult for me to stop obsessing.

            Thank you, thank you.

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            @outofthisworld Haha It’s becoming increasingly hard to not fall into all the hype and hold off on watching it XD

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            @outofthisworld @bebeswtz That’s why I always have a disclaimer before posting – I’m never the first one to find some gem!
            I’ve tried today to watch a half dozen other dramas (inc Guardian). Nothing, but nothing, sticks. I find myself going back to rewatch whichever LZ/WY scenes I can quickly find. Just watched part of 23 where LZ plays the zither to heal WY after the fight with the Wens. And also part of 42. I kinda like to alternate between the past and the present.

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    So has he invaded your dreams yet?

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      He’s way way too young! I mean they all are but 22 is like “Gosh! I could have changed his diaper and wiped his butt” type!

      Having said this, I think age has nothing to do with charisma or sex appeal. Remember we had this convo about a k actor who people said was too young and inexperienced so therefore cannot pull romantic tropes nor sex appeal? I was the only one who thought otherwise. And WYB is a good example, I’m sure there are more out there. The vibes may be different from an older actor but still they carry their own charisma.

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        Well, geez, I didn’t even mention anything about “sexual” dreams…but your mind went right there!
        I just meant in any context – I dreamed about WeiYing and Lan Zhan last night but I don’t remember the dream, except I know it was them and not Wang Yibo or Xiao Zhan because they were in their WY and LZ garb, probably off on some adventure together to be chivalrous and save the weak. If I should ever have any dream along the lines you’re thinking, I’m imagine it would be the two of them together…
        This is the kind of thing that tells me I’m a thinking about (and obsessing) a little too much.

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          Hahaha….you must understand that I hardly dream of my drama stuff, sexual or not. I guess it’s nice to dream of drama characters, did you enjoy your dream?

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            There wasn’t enough of that dream to enjoy! I don’t seem to have control over exactly what I’m going to dream about that night but it usually has something to do with whatever happened that day that made an impact – so you’d think I’d dream about Untamed more!
            Last night I dreamed I was in China, buying some snacks in a store and the clerk wanted to know if I spoke Chinese. I was with my boyfriend, who I kept following around 24/7 and he was getting really tired of never having any alone time. I think I got this dream from watching this annoying Taiwanese drama “My Dear Boy” where the kid (early 20s?) is in love with Ruby Lin, whose a lot older, and he follows her everywhere. These days he’d be considered a stalker. I kept thinking he should grow up. He’d go around being depressed and crying because she kept rejecting him.
            The last dream I was in a church with all these cats and people and there were tornados coming from every direction. I kept trying to save the cats but there was a fire (oh, dear, I just realized this is from watching bits of Pinocchio where the dad dies in the fire). I guess we got out okay, I don’t know because I woke up.

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It’s 2am here and 2pm where my Untamed beanies are. Darn time zone.

Before I go zzzland, I leave you one of my fav scenes(again ep 46)

When Lan Zhan shouted “ๆปšๅผ€!” as he swung his sword to meet Jiang Chen’s zhidian, it was shocking to hear this from Han Guang Jun whose speech is always measure and refined. Then he turned from seething hard with anger to soft again with concern as he catches the falling Wei Ying.

cr gifs from laruines tumblr



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    This whole scene from the ancestral hall where WWX defends LZ, which I love because he just takes the abuse to himself but not when it’s directed at LZ, to this part, to Wen Ning confessing what WWX did for Jiang Cheng, to them in the boat in the lake. One of my favorite parts in the drama.



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      Oh my. I’m not quite there yet, but that’s so…

      LZ is such a good partner.

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        Sorry for the spoilers! 😣

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          Don’t be sorry. It’s not like any of this sequence is a huge surprise. It has to happen, and LZ is, of course, gonna be all about protecting WWX.

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      This scene! This is probably the best scene from the whole series! Or one of the top three at least. โค๏ธ

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    One of my favorites scenes! The first time I cried, the second time, I focused more on the emotions. The novel is just as heart wrenching.

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My husband cannot understand the weird mix of my current obsession
Men with long hair and robes, flying through the air
and
what he thinks is Kpop which I was never into.
The Untamed. Han Guang Jun.




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    gifs credit: lanzhan -ctl-yuejie, wyb – naanima

    @jenmole I love this dance which Yi Bo taught the group he mentored in Produce 101. It’s girl kpop dance moves but he was so into it and still managed to look manly doing them.

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      He was so into it. What a cutie!

      P. S. My husband doesn’t understand either….lol

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        Hahaha…my husband never put the two together. He knows I am not into kpop so that one really puzzled him.

        Did you see the Produce 101 show? I was impressed with how dedicated he was. Like someone wrote, Wang Yibo is a man of action, few words. You only see it in his works.

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          I took…well, dragged my husband with me to watch a kpop concert earlier this year. He said it was “ok”. He just couldn’t understand why I would want to see my boys twice in two weekends in a row in two different cities. LOL

          I have not seen the Produce 101 show. I’ve only seen clips of him on Happy Camp. If you have clips, share. I don’t know how much time I can dedicate to watching Produce 101.

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            Your husband is so sweet! Mine thinks I waste too much time watching dramas and worse, watching this pipsqueak!

            I haven’t watched the entire episodes, just highlights of 101. I can’t seem to find HD clips on YT. I need to search on the Chinese sites. Regarding Happy Camp, I saw a video compilation of WYB doing all kinds of games and performances. I guess that’s his role in the show. He does very well in anything physical.

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          “He does very well in anything physical” coz he’s 22 and can still move around. While old bones like us can barely touch our toes stretching. One of The Untamed bts, the director even complements him on his action skills coz he’s physically competent. I’m here gushing about WYB and listening to Xiao Zhan sing on my headphones. LOL

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            I hate to say this but when I was 22, yes, I could move around but I was more like two left foot.

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          I’d like to think I did not have two left feet. And I’ll stick to that. LOL

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    omg the dance gifs made me rofl ๐Ÿคฃ

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@#$%^&**^&$#@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Legend of Fei
Zhao Liying and…………………………Wang Yibo! I can’t believe it!

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    @shach
    I’m not worried. I’m not worried…

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      I thought it was a good news? She is a well known actress and his other projects seemed like teen dramas?

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        It’s exactly because it is good news that I am both happy and worried. This is going to be such a huge thing for him because she’s famous, veteran and popular.

        And there’s a 10 year age gap! This is not Yibo’s first noona romance though I’m not sure if the story will have them at around the same age(she does look younger than her 32 years).

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          You made me worried for a bit ๐Ÿ˜‰ Yes she looks really young and he can pull mature look so I’m not that worried but I expect Weibo meltdown in any moment (and hope someone will translate it :D).
          Another young actor got some flack for liking smearing post about Yibo few days ago, and fanwars between WY and XZ fans broke up for good, so yeah I’m curious how this news will be received.

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            Yes, I also thought about how badly received this news would be on C net. It’s probably worse than WYB’s casting news as Lan Wangji from fans of the novel.

            I read about the ridiculous fanwar between the two fandoms, it’s so dumb. A celebrity must truly learn how to survive in this crazy biz.

            What was that about a smearing post about Yibo?

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            @outofthisworld, Chen Feiyou have to apologise for “accidently” liking WY hate post, I have no idea what the post was about but I read it’s typical for c-antis to create such a smear posts, they trying something similar with XZ trying to dig some info about his past girlfriends.

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            @shach I checked it out but the english articles are not making sense. I won’t bother to look for the Chinese ones. It’s probably stupidity to the max. Sigh

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          a 32 year old gets to kiss the most desirable hot 22 year old ๐Ÿ™‚

          1. i am jealous
          2. Nobody is raising age issue now when vice versa cases are bashed left, right, centre
          3. He is actually going to kiss.. NO!!!
          4. Happy for him – yes! – and m fairly confident that this drama will click, because hell legend of fu yao became a hit so anything can – yibo is going to become a super big thing..(happy but worried we may lose him to the upper society and its tantrums)
          5. secretly hoping for bad BTS on both show (but it is really tough to not have fun with yangzi) so that untamed bts can find another hidden layer of meaning ๐Ÿ˜›

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            and not to forget,
            yibo got his advertisement with dilraba .. posing as a couple..

            I am pretty sure dilraba is the IT girl for almost all young boys in china

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            1. I am surprised you are.
            2. Is this the norm in C drama?
            3. How do you know? He’s quite good actually.
            4. I hope so!
            5. I’m sure the BTS from this show can’t beat The Untamed. I think XZ and YZ will come close but not this one. YB is notoriously ‘cold’ around female artists. I am hoping that since it is almost impossible for rumours to start about him and Zhao Liying, he can be more relaxed.
            I have not made up my mind whether he just isn’t interested in making small talk with girls or it’s his strategy for keeping rumour mills at bay. Probably both ๐Ÿ˜›

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            @outofthisworld

            that notoriously cold is exaggerated..

            he joined kpop at age of 14, YG -> that doesn’t allow even homegrown female trainees to meet male trainees.. plus kpop clearly leaves no scope to “socialize”.. and while untamed was filming he wasn’t even 21.. during filming he turned 21..

            it is just opportunity didn’t come along.. he can handle women very well and very confidently..
            XZ is someone yibo is in awe of.. for valid reasons.. the guy is talented in all those areas where yibo isn’t ๐Ÿ˜›

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            XZ is someone yibo is in awe of.. for valid reasons.. the guy is talented in all those areas where yibo isnโ€™t

            ROFLMAO!

            About yibo and girls, he said he has dated and been in relationships.

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            @outofthisworld

            WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
            where did you find that out..

            ANyway, i am sure he has.. and he is quite outgoing so he meets a lot more people, plus has good international exposure so he meets variety of people..

            My opinion of yibo is that he is very confident of himself and a perfectionist (i don’t peg him for someone who would ever let anything become his excuse to not be good at anything).. and he is very very aware of the world . The fact he has international exposure, meets people through his different pursuits, he has a good understanding of people..

            Hence, I would expect him to be the no nonsense guy
            and my guess would be that the type of girl he would like will be someone who has proven herself (someone who comes with high brand of either pedigree, education or whatever.. essentially really really good at whatever she does -> top university or famous in her chosen area or smart businesswoman)

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            @outofthisworld

            and lastly, i think he is also very well aware, that if he wants to woo a girl, he’d easily be able to

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            @alasecond

            I can’t remember where I read it but I came across it at least 3 times. He also revealed the shortest was 6 months. I’d take that as he had at least been in two relationships?

            When I watched his interviews, I never get the feeling that he’s lying. He would often just flatly refused to comment if he doesn’t want to.

            My opinion of Yibo is – He’s very confident in the things he likes and does well but is also quite acutely aware of his shortcomings. So what you say about being a perfectionist could be right.

            Totally agree on the no nonsense part. There were clips of girls on Day Day Up show testifying about his ‘coldness’. Can’t blame him, I would have found them annoying too! These as you said could just be exaggerated for entertainment purpose. But on Produce 101, he was so serious although he’s barely older than the girls. I’m used to seeing mentors and judges being harsh because it’s all to make the show more dramatic but Yibo seemed genuinely set on doing the tasks right.

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          I’m not sure I’d consider her ‘veteran’ status just yet. She’s only been acting for 12-13 years, and only has 5 years experience ahead of him in the entertainment industry ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”

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            Unless we are talking about child actress, she’s been acting since she’s barely out of college? I must say though I have no idea what is her status in C ent.

            Yibo joined as a trainee for kpop at 14 but I’d hardly say he has 7 years of experience. Technically yes in entertainment industry but he hardly acts.

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            Her โ€˜reputationโ€™ that she has in the C-Entertainment industry is that she has a really sharp tongue and says it like it is. Many attribute it to her being a โ€œvillage girlโ€ (being born and raised in a remote village in China) with little to no sense of social cues ๐Ÿคท🏻โ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”

            Hmmm But does trainee years also count towards actual experience being known by the public, being watched by the public over your every move, needing to watch what you say, and facing the public & media in all that you do??
            I guess itโ€™s subjective and just about perspective 😅😅

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            @bebeswtz I see what you mean now. Honestly, I know so little of C ent. It was something I didn’t want to get into. I have been watching kdramas way longer and I do the same for K ent. I never want to read or know too much of an actor because it’s all a facade. From the little I saw, I did note some differences between these two C and K in the way the artists present themselves to the public and their interviews.

            About Yibo, now that I’ve read more about him, I know that he’s already been criticised for several things
            1. lack of education – He wrote some word wrongly on one or two occasions and they were forever mentioned that he has very little schooling.
            2. lack of intelligence – YB doesn’t articulate very well especially in contrast to many C artists who can.
            3. riding on the wagon on Day Day Up – again, he doesn’t talk much.

            He seems very candid in his interviews to the point he might come across as rude. This part, I have no idea how he gets away with it considering that the norm is to be accommodating and overly polite. Maybe he doesn’t get away with it, I have no idea.

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    😱😱😱๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ😃😃😃

    Both Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo are rocking it right now! Both have big projects coming and both with some of my favorite actresses! And huge actresses at that! Both are definitely on the rise as leading men. I’m honestly happy WY is in another historical 😍

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      better hair this time ๐Ÿ˜›

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        Blasphemy! 😱

        I have seen people didn’t like WY’s hair but I personally loved his hair in the drama. Much better then some historical cdrama hair out there.

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          I loved his hair, too. Especially when it was styled in front like a crest. Hehe

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          it is not that his hair was not nice..
          but level and intensity of drop dead gorgeousness varied.. in later half of drama when his hair is open, the intensity is 10/10 .. when his hair is all tied up in earlier episodes. its about 7/10

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    What do I do? I can’t stand Zhao Liying’s acting. She ruined Mystic Nine for me. She ruined Legend of Zu Mtn for me. I mean, those weren’t great dramas to begin with, but every time she was on screen it pulled me right out of the story because I can tell she’s just an actress acting a part. Even as much praise as Minglan got I couldn’t get past her acting. But does not anyone else feel this way? She’s so incredibly popular as an actress and I always wonder WHY??
    The other actress who pulled me out of the drama is the one who played Wen Qing. I thought she always looked like she was being very careful to make sure she was on her Mark. And she just wasn’t very good. I mean, it might have been the directing, or perhaps she couldn’t do what the director wanted – since everyone else in the drama was fantastic! Did anyone else notice the same thing?
    Now to Untamed and Wang Yibo: when I was first wondering whether or not to pick up Untamed or Longest Day, I looked at the actors’ pics on Viki. I thought Wang Yibo was very pretty, but I couldn’t tell who this Xiao Zhan was because his face was partially hidden. So I was really confused when I watched the first episode because I thought Wang Yibo was supposed to be the main lead.
    I’m still not ready to accept either one in another drama as anyone else because both Wang Yibo and Xiao Zhan ARE Lan Zhan and Wei Ying. Poor guys, they just want to act! They shouldn’t be so good.
    But by the time anything airs we’ll be ready I’m sure.
    And, @outofthisworld, didn’t realize I wasn’t following you or that you had such a treasure trove here. So glad!

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      I loved Zhao Liying in Ming Lan, I loved her in Princess Agents, even though the writing was a bit of a disaster, and she is really cute in Boss & Me. I’ve not seen the ones you listed so can’t comment on those. But there are definitely actors out there that I don’t like that everyone seems to loves (like Kong Hyo-Jin and Park Shin-Hye for me).

      I do agree about the actress of Wen Qing (Zoey Meng). She didn’t give any life to her character so Wen Qing came off as extremely boring and lifeless. I was not sorry at all when she died. The only thing that would have made her acting worse was if she read directly from the script.

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        Thank goodness she didn’t have that much to say! But even her eye movements weren’t natural. And I never felt her emotional connection to her brother. Or maybe it was just that everyone else was so good at emoting…
        Most people adore Zhao Liying. I’m an oddball!

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          the one thing i am positive about is that ZL/JYL has a crush on XZ..
          i can bet on this

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            Why can you bet? Have you read something somewhere? ZL (Zhao Liying?) JYL (? who is this?) XZ (Xiao Zhan?)

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        You are not sorry when Wen Qing died!!! Waaaaa….wait, I was actually sorry because WWX was utterly broken. Btw PSH is my kryptonite.

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          I’m terrible at figuring out things, like PSH. What is PSH?? I really should know, but I’m clueless.

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          Btw (i do know what this one means) I copied -by hand – all the lyrics to Bu Wang, so gorgeous. Will type it up later a la poetry. I do love Wang Yibo’s voice. It’s kind of whispery, breathy, not rich like Xiao Zhan, but nevertheless really nice. I haven’t listened to his other songs on YT so for all I know he might have used this voice only for Untamed.

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            I haven’t heard any ballad besides this one. He was a rapper in Uniq and his songs are more pop with lots of auto tuning. I am watching his earlier drama now and he sang the theme song very nicely.

            Oh, there’s this talk show that he and Xiaozhan appeared in. I think they were asked if they had any fav song they love to sing. Yibo and XZ sang separately bits of their songs – they were both was lovely but way too much reverb in the studio or whatever the sound effect they called it.

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      @linda-palapala I have no idea how following a beanie works, I thought it does nothing for tagging. Or has it changed? For this post, I didn’t tag anyone I think I’m the only one who’s currently more obsessed with Wang Yibo(I can’t even believe I am typing this!) than Xiao Zhan who I think almost all Untamed beanies are. I tagged @shach because she’s possibly the only one who saw me turned from dismissing WYB as a one hit wonder to seeing him as someone with potential.

      On your initial reaction to Wang Yibo, I had the opposite. When I saw his Uniq day blonde hair pic, I almost didn’t want to start this show, hahaha! I was totally immune to the Lanzhan poster shots. I didn’t know who Xiao Zhan was but I figured he’s gonna be the one to carry the show because that kpop idol actor is just going to look pretty.

      I love Wen Qing but I know what you mean about the actress. There were many times her expressions were exaggerated but I loved the character so much(because of her love for WWX) that it didn’t bother me.

      I’ve only watched Zhao Liying in Minglan. I can’t say I love her to bits or her acting but I thought she fitted the role in Minglan well. I know some people can’t stand Yang Zi and I kinda know why but I just like her and love her in every role I see. It all boils down to personal preference.

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        Ha, ha…Ya’ know, I was just pretending to understand what “following” means – because I’ve no clue either! It doesn’t alert you to anything that I can find. Maybe it’s kinda like a “like” vote.
        As far as Wang Yibo, I thought at the beginning he was more popular because fans knew more about him. I remember watching Marcus Sim (he does upcoming dramas on youtube) saying he’d never heard of Xiao Zhan before but he did know who Wang Yibo was. It really annoys me that Marcus Sim, who loves Wuxia, has never even tried to watch Untamed. He even said something about it just being a bromance.
        No, I’m not as obsessed as you are with Wang Yibo (apparently). I’m only mildly obsessed… I mean, he doesn’t have that much history yet since he’s so young. I do love reading anything and everything about the two of them as it relates to Untamed.
        I liked the idea of Wen Qing I just wish I wasn’t always aware of her playing a part.
        All the other females were great. Especially WWX sister. But even the mom that you kind of hated at first redeemed herself when it was apparent she really did love her husband.
        Wait – you’re not getting Wen Qing and WWX’s sister mixed up are you? Wen Qing was Wen Ning’s sister and I was glad to see her go. On the other hand, Jiang Yanli, we were all devastated when she died. I loved her character in the drama.

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          Hahaha! You are right! I got them mixed up! See how forgettable that actress is? I have no love for Wen Qing, pretty meh. Thank goodness Wen Ning was so much better. Yes, I didn’t miss her at all!

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            I remember first seeing Wen Ning (2nd ep?) and thinking what a non-essential character he was. Wow, this is another reason the drama was so great. Who would have thought he would turn out to be such a fantastic character!

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            Lol. I was ready to be disappointed in you for liking Wen Qing. Now I’m disappointed you got them mixed up instead ๐Ÿคฃ I was trying to remember when WWX felt devastated by Wen Qing’s death. I knew he was upset they killed all the people from burial grounds but never really devastated by her particular death (dont blame him).

            On the other hand I loved WWX and his sisters relationship. It was sweet and I was also devastated along with WWX when she died (even though I knew it was coming). I thought the actress was perfect in her role โค

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          and WN is supposed to be a few years younger.. the boy was killed at 17/18 .. because by 20 WX was already at burial ground..

          WN and WQ is a b’ful relationship.. because everyone else has powerful backups..

          BUT then, the only thing i learn from this book is.. never make a judgement before knowing the full picture ( the ONLY out an out negative character, including entire Wen clan before sunshot campaign, is JGY – i can still understand wen clan had its own way of operating but JGY is devil incarnated)

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        Ha, I totally understand you, I went into Untamed knowing nothing, just knowing the title and fell hard for XZ from the very first minutes and for better part I found WY very average bordering on ugly ๐Ÿ˜‰ but now I’m obsessing over him just like you. I heard about UNIQ before but never paid attention to them, I got them mixed with Jackie Chan kpop boy band.

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          Huh? There’s a Jackie Chan kpop boy band? Good gracious, I just looked it up. Not that it matters because I could never tell one kpop band apart from another. Jackie Chan, my kryptonite, I have many.

          @shach you were the only one who told me WYB looked better in modern garb than Xiao Zhan. I was like “No no no!” But I thought you were still firmly in XZ’s camp. I don’t even know why I am enjoying this minority thing so much ๐Ÿ˜› Interestingly, there are people like me sharing almost the same journey. This alone, I must give to WYB.

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            I have big heart, it can house more than one pretty boy ๐Ÿ˜€

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            Okay, can you please share who’s on the list of your pretty boys?

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            @outofthisworld, haha this list is veryyy fluid and veryyy long ;), it depends on what dramas I currently watch, the newest cdrama addition beside XZ and WY: Xu Kai, Toby Lee and Li Zi Feng.

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            @shach

            I am going to try Arsenal soon and see how Xu Kai is, I loved that trailer though.

            This is all kinds of strange. I watched kdramas and didn’t pick up pretty boys like the way I am now. I was still ‘boasting’ that I can count less than 5 fave actors.

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            @outofthisworld, I think Arsenal is Xu Kai peak in terms of look, that hair cut is extremly flattering on him.
            I’m pretty the same with Kdrama, if only I fall for character only and would not follow actor any further. My biggest issue in Kent is promoting this extremly thinnes that make most guys over 30 look haggard and unhealthy, unfortunately this trend landed in China too, and a lot of young actors are really, really thin now.

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            That hair style was all the rage where I’m from but has died down somewhat.

            I just can’t seem to think of any 30ish K actor who looks frighteningly skinny. I’m sure there is…I can only point out Lee Jun Ki. I have this impression that he starves himself so that he has a more chiselled jaw for kiss scenes. You are so right about overly skinny = haggard for older actors. A young actor can get away but not when he’s older.

            I do understand that being slim looks better onscreen but not when it’s too much. That article which I post talked about XZ and WYB having to slim down to look better in their costumes. WYB has always been rake thin but I’ve seen clips of XZ when he was fuller. Sigh, the gorgeousness we have onscreen came at a price. I just hope this doesn’t continue forever.

            WYB is an active guy. His dancing probably burns tons of calories plus his skate boarding and motor racing. XZ seems to be more into artistic pursuits given his background.

            I have an 18 year old who looks not much different from WYB in built but taller. It’s an impossible task to fatten him up. So I think WYB’s skinniness could be natural and hopefully not due to any bad dieting from kpop days.

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            @outofthisworld, yes LJK is a first actor who comes to mind when one talk about unhealthy thinness, and I think XZ really don’t look well during his Jade Dynasty promos, he drowns in his clothes, WY looks better but maybe it’s the age thing, or maybe he already using fillers, who knows, I don’t think anyone who lived through kpop mincemeat machine was spare extreme dieting, it seems like power trip on the side of companies to have unreasonable demands to see how much they can control their idols. And fans are no better Lee Jun Ki and Xu Kai were both harassed by their own fans for gaining weight.

            Yes, there was time when Chinese companis dipped in Kpop market by trying debut their groups in Korea but that fizzled out qucikly and poor guys were left on their own. Ang ugh I dislike Jackie Chan so much, and I loved his films when I was a kid.

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            Hahaha @shach I realized I used the word kryptonite wrongly – it seems to describe someone who I am weak for or can’t resist. I totally meant the opposite! Yeah, I liked Jackie Chan’s movies only when I was a kid. I don’t usually have a strong opinion on a celeb’s private life or character but he’s really one of my least fav.

            Do you think WYB use fillers? Whatever for? I am shocked. Recently, someone on DB suggested that Yeo Jin Goo had plastic surgery or was it fillers. Okay, I get that he does look kinda different and eh…plasticky from certain angles but why should a 22 year old do such a thing? WYB just looks like he has baby fats on his face. When I was that age, I went on an extreme diet and almost became anorexic but I still had chipmunk cheeks! It would never happen to me now. I just lose 100g and people would say my face shrunk. Polite words. I probably looked haggard.

            Talk about fans. I do not like actors who pay too much attention or give fanservice to their fans. I have strong views on this one. So far, it looks like WYB isn’t going to be this type.

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            @outofthisworld, in recent weeks a lot of former idols came with their stories, and being pressured by company into getting cosmetic procedures or even surgeries is most common theme, one girls was pushed into breast enlargemnt at the age of seventeen! And years ago member of group Busker Busker who was part of audition program, gave interview in which he revealed that participants were pressured into getting procedures like botox and filler because it would make them look better on tv. Botox and filler apparently give that “porcelain doll” look and even teenage idols using them, as extreme yoyo dieting and hectic lifestyle taking toll on their looks plus pressure from company and fear of competition, I mean I can buy “baby fat” in young ones but anyone over 25 who is stick thin (and that a lot actors and actresses there) and still have that round baby cheeks, rarely possible.

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            I’m a little late to this convo @outofthisworld and @shach but I personally thought Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo was way too thin. People have been complimenting them on how thin their waists were but it was too thin for me. I like a bit more meat or muscle on men. Sure they look good in the historical garb but outside of them I feel like I should be feeding them. I actually didn’t realize it was Xiao Zhan in the below image because of how thin he is + his undergarb looked like a dress on first looks + his hair is pulled up.

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            @trinpie Yes definitely too thin. I get that they did it for the show but I hope the guys will put back on some meat.

            Days ago, someone post a picture of Woo Do Hwan and Yang Se Jong bare bodied bathing in a lake in the upcoming drama My Country. I was laughing because they looked so muscular especially WDH. I couldn’t help but be reminded of how thin XZ and WYB are.

            I don’t need guys to be muscular, I prefer lean and toned but not as skinny as this.

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            @outofthisworld Wow, you really have to backtrack a lot to find a “reply” button.
            Re too thin. I thought they made Xiao Zhan’s waist very small and tight to make him look more like a female figure (since he was the wife, at least in the novel). I remember reading he complained a bit about how uncomfortably tight the belt was.

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            @outofthisworld I’ve lost where the “pretty boy” comment is so I just found the first place I could click “reply” –
            , but there’s one pretty boy that came to mind immediately – Zheng Ye Cheng from An Oriental Odyssey. He was especially pretty as the Prince, looked like a god from Egypt. He was also in Love O2O but not as pretty there as in Odyssey.

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            Part of XZ appeal is his personality, especially his smile (and his rabbit teeth as he affectionately calls them). But also his enthusiasm for life. And his beautiful rich singing voice.
            WYB, the more you look at him the prettier he is. It might partially be to his youth – he has no aging-from-experiencing-life lines.
            The most beautiful person in Gusu.

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          ha ha .. this is everybody’s story
          there is a video on youtube, more like review video, and it came out around ep 13/14 when untamed actually got famous..highlighting the precise moment that made audience fall for yibo

          until ep 6, nobody was giving a damn and WYB was just there..
          but with the headbad adjusting scene in ep6.. that scene captures his cuteness so well..

          and ep 13 cemented that this drama was not going the bromance way at all

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            Thanks for that! I agree, the headband adjusting and slapping away WY’s hand was the moment for me too!
            Episode 13 – now I have to rewatch it again! Oh, wait, I just watched it. Is it 13 or 14 when WY has a fever in the cave, LZ sings to him, but the flashbacks of all their moments together – my favorite scene. Oh, wait, I have a lot more favorite scenes too! But it was nice to see them all together in one flashback memory.

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      WQ was bullied horribly by c-net because they thought she and WX will have an angle in the story.. SO MANY of her scenes got cut out..

      e.g. in the turtle cave when WX takes the iron burn while saving MY.. earlier it was while saving WQ.. poor girl was so scared… apologized in one of her videos and kept repeating that she is nto taking away from the main storyline..

      i feel sorry for her.. she was in tears when she said, I already don’t have many scenes ( and more of it will get chopped because cnetz were so hyper)

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        I read about that too, but only after I’d watched many of her scenes and didn’t think she could act so I’m not sad if many of her scenes were cut. But that would make sense since she’s listed as the main female lead (I thought the sister should have had that honor). I read she said she was always meant to die, that she was never meant to have any kind of relationship with WY. It seemed to me her whole storyline was to 1) protect her brother; and 2) make it possible to transfer the golden core.
        I’d not read she was supposed to be the one in the cave that WY saved from the iron.
        There were a few scenes in the beginning that it looked to me like they producers may have wanted to develop a deeper (romantic?) relationship between Wen Qing and WY, so I’ve often wondered just exactly how much filming they had done before all the complaints from netizens. It had to be quite early. On the other hand, WY was caring about everyone, so she was just one of many he cared about.
        I do feel sorry for the actress, or any actor that gets bullied like that. It’s so mean, unfair and cruel for any reason.
        But I had heard she actually took some scenes away from LZ, but who knows. I also heard (read) the netizens complained to the producers that they’d better not make it a romance between her and WY. I’d read at the end when LZ asks WY where he’s going to go, originally the line was he was going to find Wen Qing but even the author of the novel complained.
        On another subject (I’ll say it here), I only just noticed last night that the vows LZ and WY made together were at the balloon ceremony. When they first met Song and his cultivation partner WY told them he and LZ had made vows together to be chivalrous and help the weak. I hadn’t realized before that he mentioned that so early in the drama.

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          actually . so yeah in the novel she dies..BUT

          you know when all of them are staying at Burial cave,
          to me that scene is very powerful when LZ visits them and she comes in to heal his wound (this is from the way it is written in the novel) .. the way these two argue, the fact that as a woman she is probably the only one who matches WX’s genius.. and their general convo.. it is very husband-wife dynamics

          if this was hetero novel, WQ would be the girl… and don’t forget, WX is bi .. or atleast not just gay.. he has been flirting with girls all his life , even before he came to gusu

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            To me, in the burial cave she was acting more like his mom because she treated him like a child.
            To me, it was LZ who knew he was gay from the beginning and that’s why he had no friends and was celibate, to restrain himself, especially in that strict of a sect. And wow, did he ever have to restrain himself around WY!
            I didn’t think WY was bi, he definitely was interested in the normal females and flirting, and I think when he realized he loved LZ, well, he realized it wasn’t that he was gay or bi, but that he loved only LZ because it was LZ. I wonder how surprised he was when he came to that realization. It’s one reason I loved the duet in the cave scene and his remembering, he must have realized his feelings then.

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            canon

            he realized his love after resurrection
            When they go into the house and the house owners return so WX pulls lz onto the straw heap for cover and they ARE lying on each other..

            The couple is talking how their son teases some girl because he likes her.. and that’s what strikes WX that “boys tease girls whom they like”.. and as couple talks… he realizes he does all of that to LZ.. and then all his “weird” feelings since the 1st kiss (1st kiss as per WX knowledge ๐Ÿ˜› ) start making sense

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          blame it all on WX bad memory.. he forgets..

          LZ process of falling in love was very simple
          1. You are b’ful (outside of gusu gate), very observant and have advance knowledge ( outside of gusu gate when he says it is not a dead body), match me in fighting skills (the fight), and are even beyond me in academics (the 4th way ๐Ÿ˜› )…………………and everyone is your friend ( 1st class would have been enough) but you tease only me ->>>> intensely attracted

          2. You are actually a nice guy (all WN, WQ, love for JYL, courage, bravery etc observed during class) Why do you treat me differently from your other friends ->>>> intensely jealous

          3. got approval from my ancestor + shucks! his mom died too.. AT AGE 4..
          –>>> I’m in love!!!

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            Oh, yeah. I like your three point process.
            What’s kind of hilarious is how much Lan Xichen wanted LZ and WY to be friends. He got a bit more than he asked for!

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            @alasecond Re canon – is this from the novel? Oh, yeah, as to be. Have to use my imagination visually. Is this the scene with Mian Mian’s family? I’ll go re read it, it’s in one of the extra chapters, right?
            Yeah, I know he actually realized his love quite late. I still think he realized it subconsciously in the cave when he had those memories, but with a fever and losing it, he didn’t remember.

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            @linda-palapala

            If you like 3 steps of LZ..you’d love 2 steps of WX

            1. I like everything pretty
            2. LZ is the prettiest

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          No.. so you do know right MDZS had multiple versions released..
          in the original version, there is that realization scene.. which is not there in later version.. exiledrebel will not have that scene

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            No, I didn’t know…
            My knowledge is usually hit and miss! And like WY, I have a terrible memory anyway.

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          in arsenal military, which epsiodes are good?
          or when does romance start?
          is it heavy on romance.. (say untamed is heavy).. or in passing (very very side theme)

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            There’s no kissing…but they do walk off together into the sunset.
            I’ve only seen 3 episodes though – the first two and the last.
            There’s lots of flirting, I hear. From what I saw it looked to be a carbon copy and every trope of every drama ever.
            I do so like Xu Kai and Bai Lu together, so that’s worth it.

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      oops i meant actress playing JYL . not ZL

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A.M.A.Z.I.N.Gly Untamed
I don’t usually post twice in a row but chanced upon this fanmade MV of The Untamed fighting scenes and was completely floored. Woaaa! Just amazing!
credit: ๅญ้ž้ฑผ็š„้ธญ่„‘ๅฃณ@weibo
*Spoilers Abound*

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The Untamed
I love this picture.
Where do you get two beautiful guys who are stunningly gorgeous, can act and have crazy chemistry?
Step into the world of The Untamed.

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I think I am most in love with Lan Zhan’s song. The title is simple – Not Forgotten might be most grammatically correct but if you read the lyrics, it’s more – Can’t Forget, Won’t Forget, How Can I Forget?

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      You should ask: Which are your favorite songs. Because I love all three OSTs for the main characters (sorry I don’t remember the titles) but the closing duet, Wangxian (their song and how they called to each other in the ending), LanZhan’s theme OST (there was only one person for him and how lonely he was when he left and how he inquired for years to find WY) and Chen Qing, WeiYing’s theme song. Not only is the music beautiful, but the lyrics are beautiful (I fought with the most beautiful person in Gusu).

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        Oops, at first I only saw your question, not your post and video link. Thanks, I haven’t seen this particular one. So it’s Bu Wang. Gorgeous.

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        That’s true! The songs are all so good. I guess I chose Lan Zhan’s song because somehow the tune kind of gutted me. I so love the part where Lan Zhan sings “Are you still asking?”
        I love love Wang Yibo but can’t help wondering if Xiao Zhan sang this part, I’d be a utter mess!

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          Each song fits each personality so beautifully.

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          Even though I said I loved all three main OSTs, Lan Zhan’s song is the one that keeps on singing in my head. I was just reading some world news and that song was playing (in my head) in the background. Can’t get rid of it…

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      Your video’s translation is so much better than the one I was watching, so I shared. Thank you!

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      I like the main song the most, maybe because it immediately reminds me of drama?

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        Yes, that’s usually the case. I noticed that I tend to like the secondary ost(not sure what’s the term) more than the main theme song of most dramas.

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      Wen Ning’s character song is my favorite. I love the way Yu Bin sings it. It sounds so sweet and endearing.

      Then Lan Zhan’s song and Wei Ying’s song. I like the melancholic tone of the song and Yi Bo’s soft voice. For Wei Ying’s song, I just love Xiao Zhan’s voice and especially the opera section of the song is so good.

      Special mention to Lan Xichen’s song because I also like Liu Hai Kuan’s voice.

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        I think I need to check out the full list. I realize I haven’t heard all the songs.

        And gosh! Do they all sing? No wonder someone said they should make a musical!

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        Liu Hai Kuanโ€™s voice is my second fave, next to Xiao Zhanโ€™s. His voice is husky & very pleasing to listen to.

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        The opera section of Wei Ying’s song is my favorite part! I was watching a clip of him singing along to his song, he’s just that good!

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      Question: I have a CD player in my car and would love to either buy or make a CD of all the OSTs in Untamed (well maybe not all, but at least 3!). I don’t know how to burn a CD or if there is a CD available to buy. Anyone know?
      I bought a CD from Korea (never mind how expensive it was) of the drama MAWANG/THE LUCIFER/DEVIL to play when I’m driving, because I love the music. However. I’ve played that CD for probably two years now and need something new, no, not just something, but especially Untamed.

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      Why is this question so hard? I’ve mainly rotate through the three main songs. I have a soft spot for shijie’s song.

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        Ah yes, I get emotional every time I listen to her song. Every line with A-Xian in it makes me want to cry.

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      actually inquiry from dongha
      and i haven’t heard wangxian from the anime

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    I do truly love the music in The Untamed, not just the songs but also the instrumental ost as well. The music director does a great job blending the Chinese and western instrumentation and harmonies, and does creative things with orchestration and forms.

    I do like all the 3 main characters’ songs, and do find the one of LZ the most heartwrenching. The lyrics are all very well written but I do love the duet version of Wuji, and I am delighted to find Xiao Zhan’s voice so beautiful. I really like the acoustic version of Wuji as well.

    In the novel the tune LZ wrote and hummed for WY in the cave is called “Wang Xian” (ๅฟ˜็พก) which really tickled WY when he found out because it is their names combined, but I also wondered if at the time when LZ was struggling with his feelings toward WY that he also was wishing to forget (ๅฟ˜) him. 😭😭😭

    I have started listening to the audio drama as well and love its ost as well. Check it out Outie!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8VHYdAxao

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      Totally agree! The music is fantastic. I am sure you are the best person to critique.

      Xiao Zhan’s voice is much better than Yibo’s. In the live versions, the difference is clear. By the way, the actor who played Jiang Chen seems to be a musical actor. He has quite a number of clips on his singing. Even Peacock sings! Hahaha!

      Thanks for the link, I will check it out.

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        I agree. I personally like Xiao Zhan’s singing voice more then Wang Yibo’s. I think it’s because it seems like he has more power behind his voice then WY’s. Don’t get me wrong, both have beautiful voices but I preferred XZ’s version of Wuji more then WY’s.

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          Xiao Zhan has a more powerful and clearer singing voice. The funny thing is that when they are not singing, I actually like Yibo’s voice much more! I’m so happy that his voice actor really matched his voice well.

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        Peacock 😂

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        I have seen one of Jiang Cheng’s clips singing. It is quite impressive.

        Xiao Zhan is definitely the better singer, though Wang Yi Bo is more of the rapper in his own group and a great dancer. I have watched a few of their lives, too. There was one where Yi Bo messed up a bit, but Zhan ge was there to help pick it right up for him!

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    I absolutely love all the music in The Untamed, including the instrumentals (I’ve been hunting down flute instrumentals). Probably sounds cliche but my favorite is the duet version of Wu Ji (Wangxian). But I do also love Separation at Qing He (Nie Mingjue & Nie Huaisang’s theme song), Newborn (Wen Ning’s theme song) and Won’t Forget (Lan Zhan’s theme song), Passing by the Deserted City (Xue Yang’s theme song). I was going to name more but realized I would end up naming all the songs in the drama 😅 But all the lyrics fit perfectly with both the drama and characters. The drama definitely knew how to use the music perfectly to create a scene, atmosphere and elicit deep emotions.

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      Hahaha….yup it’s hard to choose! When I read about the production and also how they engage the famous songwriter, I just felt that so much heart and effort went into making this drama.

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      Thanks – I haven’t yet heard any of the other OSTS besides the main ones. HOpefully they’ll be easy to find on youtube.
      But all the lyrics fit perfectly with both the drama and characters. The drama definitely knew how to use the music perfectly to create a scene, atmosphere and elicit deep emotions.
      Totally agree. Well said.

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    I was addicted to the closing song, WuJi, (still am) and if I have to choose Iโ€™d choose it as my fave. (Because Xiao Zhan & Wang Yi Bo sang that song) But I love both the main osts, character songs and intrumental osts. You should listen to them! Theyโ€™re addictive!

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    Here it is 12 hours later and I’m still listening and watching the music vid for Bu Wang – it really grows on you. The lyrics get to me, Wang Yibo’s plaintiff voice gets to me, and the fact that Wei Ying is the only person in the video, the only one Lan Zhan cannot and will not forget.
    I’m getting a little too sappy here…

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The Untamed Obsession continues

I chanced upon a tumblr blogger who translated an interesting article on the show – “20 Things About Chen Qing Ling”. the story behind the production, the actors, the filming and more. There’s the original on weibo https://www.weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404395435434311880 and the blogger’s english translations on her tumblr account https://midorigable.tumblr.com/post/186575125770/20-things-about-the-untamed-part-1-part-1-part

Look at this, aren’t their beauty a work of art?

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    @trinpie, @kimbapnoona, @linda-palapala @shach @jenmole @@zetteceniza @giegie0384 @1tea1 @alasecond @bcampbell1662 @egads
    I know some of you have probably come across these articles or anything related to the show way before me. Sorry if you find my tagging annoying. Unsubscribe maybe? I am just a little obsessed now.

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      I welcome any tags relating to The Untamed or Mo Dao Zu Shi. I’m not over it yet. I don’t know when that will happen or if it will happen. I don’t think I want to be over it at all. ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

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      No way do I want to unsubscribe! I love all things CQL, TU, MDZS! Thanks for sharing!

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      I’m thankful for tagging. I’m in for anything Untamed or Cdrama related ๐Ÿ™‚

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      Ya’ know, every time I think I’m about to get over it, you do something like this.
      Beautiful work of art. I have something similar as my desktop background.

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      Don’t stop! Like @shach I love all the posts that are The Untamed or Chinese drama related. Since I really only get my cdrama interactions from other Beanies I love seeing posts about them. โ˜บ๏ธ

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      I only left for a few hours…
      Thank you ever so much for posting this link. Wow, it adds so much depth to our understanding and love for this drama and the actors.
      I’m glad I’d read the post about the meaning of “confidant” to Chinese speaking, because in English the word “soulmate” translates better for my understanding. And the tumblr article mentioned the words “special confidant”.

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        Now with both the “final edit” on Viki and the changes in translation they made, and this article that gives more insights, it’s demanding another re-watch.
        Besides, I’ve tried multiple other dramas, both new and on my re-watch list, but now they all seem so contrived.

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        It was definitely more than being a confidant as used in English. In this interview, she described the relationship between WWX and LWJ as knowing/understanding each other fully and trusting each other perfectly. They were of one mind, having the same beliefs and principles. Note: I am paraphrasing.

        I believe that these key people who were behind the screenplay, direction and production understood and bought into WangXian. That is why they could produce such an outcome.

        Remember we were just discussing whether if it’s the director and actor’s fault that the outcome is bad. From this article, we can see and read the thinking, the approach and work that goes on behind a successful storytelling.

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          I’ve been trying to watch some of the dramas I’d seen previously and now it’s so obvious the story is so contrived because there has to be a male/female romance, with the usual 3rd party triangle, using all the same tropes.
          With The Untamed’s popularity I wonder if they’ll try to make similar dramas and as usual not get the point of this one. I heard there are dozens of BL novels now wanting to be made into dramas. I’ve read so many articles lately I’ve no clue where I heard this – was it from you, ha?

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            i.e. most dramas are only about the romance (not that there’s anything wrong with that, I’m just bored with it). I was speaking in particular about The Legends (Xu Kai), Granting You A Dreamlike Life, and Legend of Fuyao. They used to be favorites of mine. Golden Eyes has the annoying third party female triangle with the usual tropes, and most other dramas – I could go on.

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            No, I didn’t post any articles on that.

            I am fine with romance as long as it’s not contrived – those turn me off instantly.

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            Trying to think of some dramas with romance I didn’t feel were contrived. Since I’ve only started cdramas recently, most of my favs are kdramas: Just Between Lovers, Because this is my first life, Heart to Heart to name a few. I liked the cdrama The Evolution of Our Love (it got really low ratings?) the Chinese remake of In Time With You.

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          lol.. you guys really need to listen to the audio back.. with all the kissing noises and all..
          plus voice actors are same so there is that connecting thread..

          the kiss from chapter 95 is trending anyway. you should find that easily

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      I love the tags. I love the discussions.

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      Anything Untamed related is very much welcome! Keep them coming please…

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    @outofthisworld, I have to share it, I bet he wished for a sharp sword at that moment ๐Ÿ˜€ https://centkent.blogspot.com/2019/09/wang-yibo-is-endearingly-cute-as-he.html

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      Thanks @shach!

      I’ve been ‘researching’ intensively on WYB. Most of the video clips and articles are about him being unintentionally funny or cute. His frankness is legendary.

      Were you the one who said that you are more concerned about scandals because of his youth? He is notorious for being ‘cold’ towards ladies. Maybe it’s his strategy or something. A motorbike as a girlfriend is much easier to handle.

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        If you have something funny to share please do! I was worried at first but knowing now how long he is already in the business, it is different from others young actors that shot to fame fast and has unsavoury things coming out.

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          Gosh, ‘inappropriate word’ swallowed my whole post! I didn’t even save because I wasn’t expecting it.

          Wang Yibo being himself is the funniest. A lot of the hilarity comes from his unexpected frank answers. I don’t know how this guy gets away when the whole showbiz is about being polite, faked courtesy(everyone knows but does it. It’s very Chinese in that sense) and all. I now know why @alasecond said you’d think he’s rude but when you watch him, you realize he’s not.

          C net is a crazy place. If WYB can find an equilibrium, a place in C entertainment world on more or less his own terms, I’d be happy for him. I already see clips of Xiao Zhan being harassed by overzealous fans, poor guy! He’s learning that fame comes at a price.

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The Untamed What is good and what is evil?

The Untamed beanies
@trinpie, @kimbapnoona, @linda-palapala @shach @jenmole @zette @giegie0384 @1tea1 @alasecond

Can I ask a question? I’ve not read the novel but there’s all these references to the 33 scars on Lan Wangji’s back. I had always thought it was the number of lashes he suffered as a punishment for betraying Gusu sect and helping WWX. But the drama clearly had the uncle ordering 300 lashes. The only way that resolves this contradiction is that only 33 scars remained. But it’s also absurd that he could have survived 300 lashes of these horrible twin rods. His back would have been broken! Sheessh! Why am I thinking of Brokeback Mountain now?


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    Hopefully somebody will know! I sort of wondered about that too, but figured something was lost in translation. I don’t speak Chinese but have noticed sometimes numbers they translate aren’t to be taken literally. Somebody around here speaks Chinese, maybe they’ll know.

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      In ep 43, the uncle clearly said 300, no doubt about it. I didn’t check the english subtitles. I was wondering if the drama deviated from the novel since I didn’t read that.

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    I remember the scars but dont recall there being 33 scars or 300 whippings so cant comment on the numbers. But considering they are cultivators, they can survive much worse things then the average person can. But he was so badly wounded afterwards that it took him 3 years to heal (which is why it took him 3 years to search for WWX body).

    I’ve not read the book but someone told me WWX death is different in the book vs drama. In the book WWX didnt die at Nightless city and LZ wasnt there when WWX died. He only heard about it later. But LZ got the lashes for helping WWX at Nightless city which caused him to not be there when WWX died at the burial grounds (he was actually killed by Jiang Cheng in the books). And the lashes might refer to the fact that in the novel LZ injured 33 cultivators while defending an injured WWX after helping him in Nightless city. Maybe a lash for each one?

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      I read the novel – except for these chapters, which for some reason I skipped…
      Anyone know which chapters they are so I can actually go back and read them?

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        I just read about these things so not sure where in the book they are. But I dont blame you for skipping those chapters lol

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      Yes, I also thought that he received 33 lashes for injuring 33 cultivators but now I can’t remember which part of the drama said that or I read it somewhere else. But in the show, as I replied Linda Palapala above, the uncle said 300.

      If it’s a normal whip, he may have bled to death but those rods looked too hard. 3 years to heal, more like permanently incapacitated! Well, I guess we just have to believe the cultivation made them strong enough, lol.

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        I mean, there is a lot you need to suspend belief in with these dramas! Many times people in these dramas somehow survive things they really shouldn’t.

        And it must have been some weird writing or something? Maybe they were really trying to show he did major wrong? Idk! 😅 Even though I love this drama I will be the first to admit it is far from perfect. Just in the first ep. it shows WWX snapping and freezing someone, something I can’t recall him ever doing again in the drama…

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          I am all for suspension of belief. If I don’t, I can’t watch any drama. This is wuxia which though isn’t exactly fantasy, still has all those mystical elements.

          Speaking of faults, I am not objective. If I like a drama, I am very forgiving of the faults as long as they aren’t too much. But if a drama gets on the wrong footing for me, I tend to nitpick.

          My pet peeve is pretentious dramas – those pretending to be ‘deep’, insightful and thought provoking when they are just wannabes. I like to tear into those.

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            My daughter calls the pretentiousness “taking themselves too seriously”.
            As far as these numbers, I never pay attention to numbers in c-dramas. They never make sense and seem to be inconsistently translated. I’ve noticed that in all wuxia I’ve watched, so it doesn’t bother me anymore.
            All these imperfections mean nothing in light of how well the characters are written and how good the cast is. So I don’t pay attention when it’s a drama I love otherwise. I only nitpick when I didn’t like the drama anyway.

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            Yes, dramas that take themselves too seriously. Sometimes, it’s also the viewers who read too much into. Have you come across reviewers who come up with too much inferences and their own thoughts that it’s beyond what the writers intended? I roll my eyes whenever I read those.

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    They deviated from the novel. I think they added more lashings to drive home the cruelty of the act and the pain that he was in. Plus earlier on, he and WWX had received 50 lashings for drinking, so sticking with 30 would not have driven the point home imo.

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      Ya that’s what I’m guessing. They are really trying to show he majorly messed up in their eyes by giving some ridiculous number.

      And they did get 300 lashes for drinking, it was the other 2 that only got 50. But it was with the flat boards rather then the stick things.

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      Yes! Thanks for the bringing up the punishment for drinking. I was also thinking it was odd.

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        With 3000 rules, I didn’t find it so odd.

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          I love that there was always this underlying mockery of rules besides WWX openly mocking them.

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            Ha, that mockery was great.
            I was just thinking (in answer to your original question). Cultivators are abnormally strong physically, mentally and spiritually. The higher the cultivation the stronger. And LZ was an advanced cultivator. So he would have survived so many lashings.

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    As long as we’re asking questions: how do they fly, anyway? And how can they ride on their swords? And make talismans out of the air?
    But seriously, I do have a question from episode 43? 44? When WY was asking LZs brother how he got the scars on his back. I was absolutely positive the brother said at one point LZ told him that WY was his soulmate. And then later in the episode WY is thinking how wonderful it is to have a soulmate.
    But when I went back and rewatched the episode, the word LZ said was WY was his “confidante”. But that puts a whole different meaning to it and doesn’t make sense in the context of WY saying “soulmate” later. Am I just remembering wrong? Or was it in the novel? Aargh, I’m losing my mind.

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      can you give the exact segment? I just went over part of ep 43 – the word WY used when LZ was playing the zither and he was standing at the door drinking wine, was “confidante/close friend”.

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      One of the subbers went and changed the subs from soulmate to confidant. It was soulmate the first time I watched it. But it was changed to confidant on my second watch. So annoying.

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        I have been cracking my head and maybe it’s because my vocab of Chinese words and phrases are limited but I can’t think of a Chinese word for soulmate. Whatever it is, if the phrase “็Ÿฅๅทฑ” is used, then confidante is definitely a literal translation. The thing is when we use this Chinese phrase, the meaning is more than that – it can mean an intimate friend, someone close to your heart.

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          And thanks, that puts it in perspective because in English “confidant” is way less significant than “soulmate”. Soulmate is someone like your lifelong partner, the love of your life, probably someone you’ll marry. A confidant is only someone you might tall a secret to.

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          Yes, ็Ÿฅๅทฑ was definitely used. I rewatched that scene not too long ago and the subs that was once soulmate was changed to confidant. It’s so true that sometimes the Chinese phrase has so much more meaning that it’s really hard to express in English.

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            Seems to me Chinese character for confidant has the same meaning as soulmate in English. In English you can have several confidants (people you confide in) but a soulmate is the one and only special person in your life. Oh, well.
            I was up to ep 8 on my rewatch but then Viki just posted the “final edits” were finally done. So watching ep 47 more and I realize other phrases are different too. Most of the final editing actually enhances the meanings, but changing that one word to confidant really made me sad.
            Guess I’m going to have to start all over from the 1st episode now that the final edits are done, just to see what else has changed.
            Even if I ever learned Chinese, I wouldn’t be able to tell the subtle differences in meaning!

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        Thank you! I really thought I was going crazy. And @outofthisworld reply makes sense too, because the Chinese character might be literally “confidant” but it has the context and meaning of what English speakers would call “soulmate”. Confidant is just someone you’d confide in.

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    Honestly I never pay too much attention to details like that, for me they are there to show protagonist character’s traits. But after Legends I noticed that there is the second drama that put “righteousness” of “the righteous” in question.

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      I think that discussion about righteousness is wonderful as are many others. Wei Wu Xian nailed it when he said that even without JGY, someone else would have made him the common enemy. They just needed a bogeyman and because WWX was a free spirit who didn’t care to put up appearances and niceties, he was an obvious choice. His knack of reading people’s real intentions and speaking out loud antagonise many.

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        And in both The Legends and The Untamed, the self-righteous wanted to kill people “just in case” they committed crimes later on. For me, that’s why at the end of Untamed it was significant that LZ and WY wouldn’t harm Nie.

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      I loved how in Legends the “Righteous” sect should have been called the “self-righteous” sect.

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    They probably changed it for effect. There’s a theory though that 33 whip marks is for the number of strokes in writing Wu Xian and 13 years of waiting is for the number of strokes in writing Wang Ji.

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      eh…coincidentally both names are 13 strokes.

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        Hmm… I think it’s Wei Wu Xian and Wang Ji. The sentiment was nice but I think this is just a fan’s obsessing and overthinking. Haha

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    So, in the novel, flow of events is as follows:
    Flow of actual events before WX dies:
    – the fight happens
    – WX escapes (we know this later in the novel that LWJ took him away from there to save him)
    – LWJ took him to a cave and nursed him while confessing his love to him, which WX didn’t exactly register and kept telling him to “Get Lost”
    – 3 days later gusu sect finds them (hush mission because they can’t afford world knowing about this and clamouring to kill LWJ too)
    – LWJ fights gusu lan people, badly injuring 33 disciples
    – anyway, LWJ is taken back, punished with 33 whipps and sometime in future (couple of years later) WX dies while LWJ is in seclusion
    – in the book they say even 1 whip needs a long time to recuperate
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    Now in the drama, they completely omitted the whole confession scene and the real purpose of getting hit.. and their reasoning was fairly ordinary.. so in order to make the punishment sound severe they made it 300 whippings ๐Ÿ™‚

    I don’t think in the drama itself, they ever mention 33.. but yeah they did show us this in episode 33 .. so hidden meaning much

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      Do you know which chapters in the novel this is? I couldn’t find it last night and I really want to read them w/o necessarily reading the whole novel again!

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        this whole conversation is LXC telling WX about the truth of the night of the war, which he has forgotten
        LXC is furious once he realizes that WX doesn’t even know that LWJ is in love with him..

        it is a very funny , cute chapter.. despite the tragic setting

        should be post 95 and between 102/103

        this is guayin temple scene and after the 3rd drunk scene (iconic chapter 95)

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    I have not finished the novel yet and the story about the scars has not been brought up. Only that Wei Ying saw the scars. But these two gifs above just reminds me of Lan Zhan’s character song. I’m sure you’ve seen/heard it. What a beautiful song!

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      I love love Lan Zhan’s character song. In fact, I couldn’t get it out of my head last night.

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        @outofthisworld Sort of off the subject, but every once in awhile I mention the word “kishotenketsu” the 4 act play that is used in most Asian storytelling, it’s a bit different from plot driven 3 act Western stories. What reminded me was a comment you made about the ending of Untamed and the “plot” and evil isn’t always defeated, etc. Do you remember that comment? Anyway, kishotenketsu puts a whole different light on why Asian dramas can be different from Western (introduce conflict, escalate conflict, resolve conflict). 4 acts is 1) introduce characters, 2) develop characters 3) introduce a twist, complication, etc., 4) tie together the 1st and 2nd act with the 3rd act. So you don’t necessarily even have to have a conflict (though most do).

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        The character songs and their duet are always on repeat. As I type this, their duet is playing in my head. I can’t move on from this show!

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The cinematography is so beautiful, I love these scenes with snow and of course the pretty.

By the way, can I talk about the long rod? I mean the one Lan Wangji is holding. That’s another post.



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The Untamed
I even love the props! And most of all, the beautiful colours.

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Stuck in the world of beautiful men, flowing robes, glorious manes, long flutes and swords.

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    I’m assuming the flute has some sort of magical power?

    But find it amusing to think of a warrior walking around with a sidekick to provide his own dramatic music.

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    I love how protective of Wei Wuxian Lan Zhan is. Willing to go against the world for him. He doesnt think twice to protect him with his sword and body 😍

    This drama is my undoing…

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      I might need to pour out my thoughts about how well the drama has done to show us the love WWX and LZ have for each other, in such a way that it pleases both viewers who want it to remain true to its BL roots and those who want to see it as a beautiful bromance. The credit goes to the script and directing because they knew exactly and understood what they had to deliver and of course, all these would be futile if our leads fall short. Hats off to Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo – I’ve never seen a more awesome pairing.

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        Ya. It is subtle enough that you can ignore it, but if you want the romance it is very obvious. I think the script writers did an excellent job showing their love while simultaneously evading the Chinese censors. I haven’t read the novel but it sounds like a lot was changed to get around the stringent cencors but I think they still managed to tell a breathtaking story. And yes, the actors definitely made you love the characters and their story.

        I really need to rewatch this lol my only outlet besides scouring the web for images and gifs is to spam the fan wall 😂

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The Untamed โ€“ Han Guang Jun

The Light Bearing Lord who almost didnโ€™t happen.

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    Source: Chinese Drama Info & Contents facebook page

    How the Cast for โ€œThe Untamedโ€ Was Chosen
    Chinese drama The Untamed is one of the most highly watched dramas this summer. It had attracted great attention even before airing, with many fans of the popular novel Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation eager to see which actors would be cast as their beloved characters Wei Wu Xian and Lan Wang Zi.
    The chemistry between the two leads is highly valued by fans and producers with the story focusing heavily on the bromance. To live up to fansโ€™ expectations, the casting process was careful to ensure the actors chosen to play the roles can successfully immerse viewers with their characters.
    Producer Yang Xia (ๆจๅค) revealed that a year before filming started, a friend had recommended him a new actor and gave him a photo of the actor dressed in historical costume. Not knowing the actor was Xiao Zhan (่‚–ๆˆ˜), he was initially attracted by his captivating smile. Their first meeting went smoothly, and he was impressed with how passionate Xiao Zhan was with character Wei Wu Xian.
    Fans also enjoyed Xiao Zhanโ€™s performance as well, especially during the scene of him emitting a strong aura of hate with his red eyes and killing expression.
    As for character Lan Wang Zi, Wang Yibo (็Ž‹ไธ€ๅš) was originally eliminated from the selection. The producer did not provide a reason, but it was likely due to the actorโ€™s idol image that gave a very modern sense of feeling. However, after Wang Yibo was invited for an audition, Yang Xia said that his image was actually opposite of what theyโ€™ve thought, and immediately felt he was the character Lan Wang Zi as soon as he walked in the door.
    Despite their different casting experiences, Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo show great chemistry on and off-screen.

    ************************************************************************************
    I am not surprised. Xiao Zhan has that aura and killer smile plus he rocks in period costume. I can also see how Wang Yibo was not selected. I would never have imagined him in a period garb, heโ€™s got the idol image pat down. If he wasnโ€™t invited to the audition, what would Light Bearing Lord look like? I canโ€™t imagine and donโ€™t want to.

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      When I see him outside of his period garb I have a hard time aligning him with Lan Zhan as he looks totally different and like a typical idol. I would never have imagined him fitting so perfectly as LZ.

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    ๅซๅ…‰ๅ›ๅ‘€๏ผŒๅซๅ…‰ๅ›!

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The Untamed Men
Before I fell in love with The Untamed, I fell for Wei Wuxian. No matter how good a story is or the production, itโ€™s usually the characters, the people who hook me in first. Xiao Zhan is superb and Iโ€™m even more impressed because heโ€™s relatively new. His WWX has tons of charisma, cheekiness and a smile that just lights up everything. Recently, I have been burnt by โ€˜bright smileโ€™ and would just about thrash any guy who shows me his pearlies. Xiao Zhan cured me because when your character has a personality to boot, it shines through the smile.
I think Xiao Zhan will go far as an actor, did I mention he has a beautiful voice too? Heโ€™s what I deem a natural, born actor. C dramaland has plenty of good looking, beautiful men with talent, yet he stands out. Iโ€™m placing my bets on this one.
Xiao Zhan reeled me in and while I relished in the feast for the eyes, I grew more aware of Lan Zhanโ€™s presence. I had this conversation with @shach on the Open Thread that while I found Xiao Zhan incredibly beautiful, Wang Yibo seemed ordinary in comparison. Lan Wangji is beautiful of course but off screen, in modern clothes, Yibo looks like any other kpop idol. I suspect his casting was met with mixed reactions at best.
Lan Wangji is upright and I mean both figuratively and literally. Heโ€™s stiff, unbending man of few words and little expression. Heโ€™s inscrutable. I thought not bad, even if Yibo canโ€™t act, he can avoid the need to emote.
Now that I have finished the drama, I am re-watching some scenes, enjoying the BTS, watching interviews and some drama clips. My attention is skewed towards one character and one actor although I love them both. I need a Xiao Zhan drama to get out of this funk.

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    It was definitely WWX that pulled me into the drama. Xiao Zhan did have a couple awkward acting moments throughout but I couldn’t imagine anyone else as WWX. He brought to life this character you cant help but love. What his character went through in the drama, and despite how awful things got for him, he still kept his smile and his innate goodness. WWX’s journey through the drama is a big reason why this drama was so good and that was thanks to Xiao Zhan. I personally wasnt attracted to Xiao Zhan when I went into the drama. I thought Wang Yibo was definitely the more attractive of the 2. But by the end I had completely switched my stance and am now in love with Xiao Zhan.

    He has a drama slated to come out next year with Yang Zi called The Oath of Love. I love Yang Zi but her character sounds too much like her Go Go Squid character (even though that’s one of my fav dramas). But I am still excited and will definitely be checking that out! I also have a drama on my to-watch called Oh My General. According to what I read Xiao Zhan is the secondary and he gives everyone major second lead syndrome. I’m not surprised! โค

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      Oops, it’s called Oh My Emperor.

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      The reason why I need Xiao Zhan’s dramas is to get me out of the funk that is Wang Yibo’s. Ha! Don’t be shocked, I am more shocked than anyone else. Every time I see Xiao Zhan’s photos whether in the drama stills or photoshoots elsewhere, he still takes my breath away. I love his acting as well yet I have no idea what possesses me.

      I am putting it down to the fact that I am naturally drawn to the silent stoic type. It’s the character who I love and not the actor. Let’s see how long this last. Meanwhile, I try to exorcise it by watching Yibo’s earlier dramas – although he debut earlier than Xiao Zhan, he’s an idol actor and too young. Lots of cringeworthy things in store for me. Yup, I am very hopeful!

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        I agree with you on the last bit. Lan Zhan is the character I love and not the actor. Of course I’ve already admitted to you I fell for his eyebrows first. But, yes the quiet and stoic types are what I’m drawn to as well. I loved that when WWX came back to life, LZ was determined to stay by his side no matter what. It’s been two weeks since I’ve finished The Untamed and I still can’t get over it.

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          ๅ•Š….ๅซๅ…‰ๅ›ๅ‘€๏ผŒๅซๅ…‰ๅ›๏ผI love all his names.

          You know in ep 46, that devastating scene where it was finally revealed that WWX gave his core to Jiang Chen, I felt for WWX, his sacrifice and pity for him. But I was focused on LZ’s reactions – I think Wang Yibo nailed it – the realization, horror, grief and anger.

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            That scene is one of my fav in the whole drama. And most of it was LZ fully realizing what WWX did and suffered. My heart broke along with his 💔

            I had seen lots of people were getting on Yang Wibo’s acting but I actually thought he did a great job. He didnt have to really emote much but in the scenes that called for it he really showed the emotions with simple looks. I also felt LZ’s love for WWX through the fear, heartbreak, and happiness Wang Yibo emoted. I personally thought he did a great job and both actors had great chemistry with each other.

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            Oof. Transposed letters. I shouldn’t spam the fan wall so late at night. Wang Yibo not Yang Wibo 😅

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            @trinpie I’ve been kept awake by the same things.

            Totally agree with you on Wang Yibo’s acting. Yes, he had few lines and little to emote but in every crucial scene which called for it, he more than rose to the occasion. He was nuanced yet powerful enough to convey what’s deep within Lan Zhan’s heart.

            I hate hate overacting. Subtle and nuanced are underrated. It is also harder to do and usually I don’t expect it from anyone, even experienced actors. When you are up against someone like Xiao Zhan, you can easily be overshadowed. Thus I am amazed Wang Yibo held his own. I’m just afraid it’s going to be much harder for him than Xiao Zhan. As it is, Xiao Zhan has interesting looking new dramas. He has that versatility.

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            I love all his names, too. ๅซๅ…‰ๅ› Is โ™ฅ๏ธ.

            Yes, I felt it, too. I couldn’t believe I was crying along!

            And then I watched the bts…one was complaining about how his back was hurting since he had to angle a certain way for the camera. The other complained about his his legs aching. Those two are adorable.

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            @jenmole

            Their BTS is love – the relentless teasing and giggling. Xiao Zhan loves to make fun of Yibo and Yibo’s reactions are cute. Sometimes, Yibo gets the upperhand. From what I observed, Xiao Zhan is sharp, witty and great at talking. Yibo is the one who usually gets tongue tied and you can see it in his interviews prior to this drama.

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            Oh yes, Xiao Zhan is definitely wittier. I’ve watched a couple of his interviews and he speaks really well. I’m looking forward to his future shows. But for now, he’s WWX in my heart.

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        I watched some snippets of his earlier dramas and he wasn’t that bad, but I’m more curious about his future projects, I’m more worried about his age, young Chinese actors are prone to all kind of scandals and fanwars are on another level in Cdramaland.
        Xiao Zhan, I’m pretty sure he will do well, he has tons of future projects and he has maturity to handle the attention well, judging from his interviews. As I wrote earlier I fell for WWX since episode 1 and there were no other character for me throughout the series.

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          I avoid reading, watching and stalking actors outside their dramas. Even before the Korean showbiz scandal, I’ve been sceptical. I managed to do it for most K actors but I find it difficult for C actors. I’m noticing a trend where I get charmed by the male lead of almost every C drama, luckily I have not watched many. Because I understand the language, their interviews and reality shows are thus more appealing. Still, I constantly remind myself not to get into it too much.

          C netizens are just as bad as K ones, maybe worse. Fanwars are dumb. As for scandals, I already read one involving the actor who played Jin Ling. I thought he was much younger but he’s actually the same age as Wang Yibo.

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            I on the other hand am interested in following industry gossip because it gives me a way to understand how industry works, maybe because I’m from different culture, it’s a way for learning about cultural differences. That was always a trait for me when I’m interested in something I want to get historical and cultural context behind that.

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            I also don’t follow actors outside of their dramas. The extent I go is maybe look-up what dramas they were in or upcoming in. But I’m definitely not a fangirl. You know I am really into a drama or actor if I watch BTS videos. I think that’s the furthest I get into my fangirling haha. Even with The Untamed the most I’ve done is watch some BTS videos and look-up what dramas Xiao Zhan was in and what he’s upcoming in. I am not really interested in the actors personal lives or anything outside of what dramas they may be in.

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          @shach I saw WYB’s clips in Love Actually 2017. He was with veterans and surprisingly he wasn’t bad at all! I had this idea that he would most likely be typecast as an arrogant, spoilt brat, annoying chaebol heir – the kind I abhor most because very few actors can redeem this kind of character. His role in this drama was somewhat like that and yet he managed to pull it off. Now that I’ve seen him in modern dramas, I no longer think he’s a one hit wonder.

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        if that is your type.. lol.. that’s yibo pretty much.. doesn’t help for you that real life = reel life..

        the famous joke of the casting..
        they rejected yibo based on photographs like in the 1st round itself.. but for whatever reason asked him to come down to the set for audition later on because they couldn’t find a perfect LWJ even after multiple auditions..

        When XZ came.. they had a gruelling audition test.. pretty much for every character they had a thorough audition.. EXCEPT

        when wang yibo walked into the room.. the director literally went “he is the ONE”.. and they quickly did one scene.. but ya. literally they knew he would be the one the moment he walked in (they even asked him if he wanted to dub his own dialogues.. they didn’t bother to ask any other actor that including XZ)

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          Noooo….he’s not my type!

          Thanks for sharing the story, it’s hilarious- where did you read this? I wonder if he ‘floated’ into the audition room.

          I’d love if he had dub his own dialogues, I like his voice but the voice actors for him and XZ are really good. Not just that, close to their voices too.

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            The director only said it in one of the interviews which was translated..
            hunting for link .. will see if i can find it when i find time..

            But yeah, she basically said, the moment yibo entered he was cold but not impolite cold and we knew we had our LWJ

            whereas XZ had a very DEEP philosophical interview on what and how he understands WWX as a character.. poor guy.. he really had to work hard to get that role and then work hard to sell it..

            and yibo ๐Ÿ™‚ just had to be himself

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            @alasecond thanks! I think I need to use Chinese to dig up more articles.

            XZ probably got the role in his pocket the moment they saw his photo and see him smile in person. I would! He’s such a charmer. But he’s very earnest and excellent at articulating so I guess they just got bowled over after the interview.

            Not so sure about Yibo’s vibes which showed his suitability. Yibo’s cold look turned me off especially when I saw his kpop pictures. He does have a very modern look and nothing which resembles a dignified and graceful gentleman.

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            he he.. i am telling you wait till yibo matures a bit.. he would be so much fun..

            in another interview, they asked XZ about WX.. and he had a para to talk about as to what makes WX charming..
            when they asked Yibo he said
            “LZ is quiet and handsome.. like me” (full stop)
            then they asked him to give heart to fans (“No, there is no need” ) ..

            lol.. and i get when you read it , all of it comes across as rude.. but when you see him saying it.. i totally get why they chose him as LZ… so cold so so cold but not impolite..

            i don’t know how he does that!

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            hate..not having edit button..

            and the guy is quite quirky..

            His million dollar retort has to be .. fans saying they love him and they know him best. .. to which he was like “then what about my mom” ๐Ÿ˜› (as in mother knows best)

            bursts bubbles so easily

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            @alasecond

            He’s actually quite entertaining on variety or reality show in his own way. Where Xiao Zhan gives ‘perfect’ answers(I’ve watched a couple of interviews and some questions were really difficult), smoothly navigating his way through, WYB is nothing like that. Yet somehow it works to his advantage. They see his direct, ‘unfiltered’ responses as being frank.

            I read that on one occasion, the audience(not sure if it’s a fanmeet or show) was asked to guess his height. They put it as 1.82m because that was on Baidu and Yibo protested strongly. Alarmed, the audience quickly changed it to 1.85m. Yibo laughed and said he’s nowhere that tall, only 1.78 or 1.79m.

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            ha ha.. ya he did correct the height..

            there is another video, where a kid got on stage and called him “beautiful” ( in english) and yibo was genuinely offended, arguing with the kid to take it back (because b’ful is used for girls and handsome for boys)..

            his answers are truly borderline rude but given the context of his personality, they aren’t ๐Ÿ˜›

            I love his way of handling things (because otherwise everyone is over sweet in kpop and chinese media) .. this guy is less fake (i think he is done with his share of monkey act during uniq days)
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            Drama front, i agree, will get youth dramas only (but then he has done mature dramas at a younger age) so let’s see how the wind blows..

            individually, he has skills, he just needs a couple of strong projects to cement his stardom

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          btw, yibo’s auditon scene was the turtle cave scene where he vomits blood ๐Ÿ˜›
          he did it with one of the directors.. and they said it was really good (not as good as with XZ but good)

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            I thought he did well in that scene, it was one of the earlier ones which made me change my opinion of him. Nothing exaggerated, nuanced but completely conveyed what LZ was thinking and how he felt.

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          That’s fun info, thanks for digging it up. I admit, it took time for me to warm up to Wang Yibo but now I think he is better looking in modern attire than XZ and he has similar potential judging by his earlier dramas. I wonder how he will fare, have you heard any news about his new projects?

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            he has a couple of them lined up.. should release this year only.. but he is playing supporting role..

            i think now he must be receiving offers post untamed

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            @alasecond

            I saw a video which showed two dramas but they looked like they were produced quite a while ago. Not interesting at all.

            China produces so many dramas but not all make it to broadcast and even fewer are worth watching. I just hope he gets a good drama, doesn’t matter whether it’s a supporting role. This guy is only 22, he would be limited to youth dramas if he plays the main lead.

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Just read my last post on the fanwall – “sitting on the fence about the latest C craze – The Untamed”
In less than a week, I have sunk deep, up to my neck in the quicksand.

Ep 46 just wrecked me. Why do I even care about these two men?

*stealing shamelessly from someone’s tumblr*
credit: geminihurt


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