I’m Sorry and Thank You.The Untamed

No thanks to @kimbapnoona awesomely frightening post just before I went to bed, I had nightmares of Lan Zhan without his yaoi hands.

To compensate for the damage to all ye Untamed Beanies, I call on @kimbapnoona to shower us with beautiful images of our Wangxian until the horrors are fully exorcised from our minds.

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Chinese Characters Are Inappropriate




Our Lan Zhan or Wang Yibo’s name is written like this ็Ž‹ไธ€ๅš. Do you get these pictures?

Just in case, you think Wang Yibo is inappropriate, I assure you he’s not.
Okay, I do keep forgetting he’s barely legal. This boy is too hot for my own good.
Since when did blowing bubble gum look so sexy?

I digress.

So today, I typed a reply to @bebeswtz in Chinese and I got flagged for inappropriate response. I was sure I didn’t use expletives. Surprisingly, copy and paste works fine but I supposed it’s just like how we circumvent the 200 word limit for fanwall post.

Maybe Hangul is the only one that works besides alphabets.

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Appreciating The Men Of Gusu Lan Shi
The JadesDorks of Lan
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(Liu Haikuan and Yibo went to watch Avengers together!)

From https://modao-zushi.fandom.com/wiki/Gusu_Lan_Sect:
Many of the direct Lan family can be described as “cold on outside, passionate on inside.”
Lan An left the monastic life and his vows for his fated person.
Qingheng-Jun married his wife against the objections of his clan.
Lan Wangji faced his uncle’s ire to eloped with Wei Wuxian.
Lan Xichen chose to seclude himself after accidentally stabbing his sworn brother Jin Guangyao.

Guess they did more than write 4000 rules of Gusu Lan Shi.
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Daddy Son – The Untamed
Saw these stills today and after reading @growingbeautifully posts about A-Yuan, I am reminded of this beautiful father-son relationship.
From someone who was embarrassed to be mistaken as a father when A-Yuan first hung onto his thigh in the marketplace and bawled his little eyes out, Lan Zhan has come a long way.
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I love this picture of Lan Zhan giving daddy talk to Sizhui before the latter embark on his journey.
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      Beautiful pictures, especially love the poster with little Ah Yuan. I wonder what he said to daddy-to-be.

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        I wonder too. It’s such a heartwarming sight to see the usual no nonsense Lan Zhan letting A-Yuan run around him, make noise and sit on his lap. He only corrects A-yuan when he talks while eating.

        From this encounter, we can even see how Lan Zhan takes promises or suggestive words seriously. He took issue with Wei Ying showing A-yuan the toys but not buying them. I don’t think it is because he didn’t know WY can ill afford the toys.
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          I love that death stare as he walks away…..

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          WY blithely explaining that asking and buying are two different things had me in stitches. He sounded so much like he wanted to know which one Ah Yuan liked so that he could buy it, only to walk away. Fortunately LZ has a warm and generous nature under all that exasperation and eye-rolling.

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    And, the actors who played Ah-Yuan, both young and old, were perfect and beautiful. Ah-Yuan’s story and their relationship was dealt with both visually and emotionally gorgeous. Thanks for the photos, they’re perfect as well. Sigh, this will never be matched.

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    I will never be able to un-know the fact that adult a-yuan is just one year younger than yibo ๐Ÿ˜€
    Look at the sharp contouring on Hanguang-jun’s cheeks tho <3

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    It’s interesting how LZ always follows WY lead, he’s not interested in the kid at the first glance, but once WY annonces AY as his son (jokingly of course, but LZ takes everything so seriously), he immediately sees AY in a different light… it’s the same with the rabbits and so many other things!!

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      Yes I love how interested LZ is in whatever WY is up to. He pays so much attention to the food WY eats, his childhood in lotus pier. The subtle changes in mood that only LZ can decipher. Gosh, this is making me want to watch the show again.

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Untangling Myself From The Untamed

After I completed my second watch, I was determined not to start my 3rd. So, I picked up another C drama. Real life got busy because there were things which I had cast aside when I was feverish in The Untamed haze. The backlog was huge.

While I am successful from not watching any more Untamed, I have been less successful in things or people related to The Untamed. Daily, I check a few tumblrs I had bookmarked for Wangxian or Untamed posts. I stalk #wangyibo hashstag every day, sometimes every hour. I am building a growing collection of pictures, gifs and videos.

I even subtitle clips! (turn on the volume)

Our adorable Han Guangjun.

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    @linda-palapala @trinpie @kimbapnoona, @shach, @jenmole, @zetteceniza, @giegie0384 @1tea1 @alasecond @bcampbell1662 @egads, @drawde2000, @marites59, @nightmoon, @blueskye @lillamy @stpauligurl , @strawberry, @gadis @gmelenco @artgirl @maybemaknae @bluekitchen @carmen @mrobles @noobita @growingbeautifully @zgs1994 @infinitize @bunny @shinayame @sweetsammy @larelle79 @mayhemf @persianrose

    How have you all been faring? I know some of us have moved on long ago, some are newly hooked.

    Aside from fangirling, I am afraid the biggest impact is that now I am incredibly selective when it comes to picking up new dramas. I am not expecting anything to come close to The Untamed, it’s just that many dramas appear more meh than they might actually be. Hopefully, one crack drama appears soon.

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      There have been a few dramas I’ve really liked since The Untamed. But I’ve really not been into watching any dramas lately so just been watching some here and there.

      I’m on my 3rd rewatch 😅 but now that I’m watching it after having read the novel I’m actually surprisingly noticing more stuff.

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        surprisingly noticing more stuff.

        Is that even possible??? I know you are a more detailed viewer than me. Okay, I have to stop giving myself reasons for a 3rd watch!

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          Yup! Remember how we discussed Lan Zhan’s father and not being sure if he was ever mentioned in the drama outside of his story related to LZ’s mom? Well in ep. 4 or 5 he is mentioned to be dead. I hadn’t caught that in my previous 2 watches 😅 there are also some other small details I’m noticing.

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        On my….I’ve lost counts of the re-watches. Whatever, I’m on ep 40-ish on Netflix, you know, where they go to Carp Tower after Yi City – a month later. So what were they doing behind closed doors during that month, eh??
        I have NOT moved on. I’ve tried, Lord knows I’ve tried.
        Tried: Addicted, Blood, Bloody Romance, My Country, etc. Okay, but don’t then go back to Untamed or you’ll realize how much better it is.
        Anyone tried to re-watch Guardian lately? Doesn’t hold a candle to Untamed.
        And noticing stuff still? Oh, yeah. Unless Netflix’ subtitles are just making up stuff.
        This is the first drama I’ve even re-watched the minor character’s side stories, because they are SO GOOD.

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          I only watched up to ep. 20 of Guardian and had to drop it. I didn’t like it and thought it was pretty poorly done.

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            Strange, I always thought it was good. Not that I have watched it but there were people who raved about it and the OTP’s chemistry. The only thing was that the ending was badly done.

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            I remember ff thru much of it and liking it a bit, but try watching it after Untamed. It’s just not even doable.

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            @outofthisworld the chemistry between the leads was the only saving grace of the drama. I wouldn’t have lasted as long as I did otherwise. But the drama was very clearly lower budget, story just felt like monster of the week and poorly written + confusing, outside of the otp the actors were pretty bad, one of the early villains was one of the most cliche you could get and the thing that forced me not to go on is it had one of the worst side characters I’ve seen in any drama. He straight up made me rage by how uttey useless and stupid his character was. I know some people like it but I think it got a bit of a pass because of thirsty girls wanting anything bl.

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            @trinpie Re Guardian, I didn’t even like the two leads together – they seemed to be a mis-match – though I really like each actor individually I just couldn’t see the “chemistry”. It was forced. I felt like nothing in Untamed was forced, it flows naturally and organically (except for the actress who played the Wen Qing, she tended to pull me out of the story).

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          What’s Addicted and Blood? Korean dramas? I think my kdrama slump has reached another level. Maybe I need to watch a succession of horrible horrible C dramas then go back to kdramas.

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            Addicted is the BL gay c-drama that the censors, once they realized what it was, took it off the air before it was over. Ep 15 was the last episode out of ? and I really would have liked to know whether or not Johnny Huang was becoming a dangerous kid who was “addicted” to Timmy Xu. He had violent tendencies.
            Blood is an older k-drama about a vampire. The idea was good, but the execution is terrible. Bad acting, bad camera work, bad cgi, but that’s just the 1st episode so I’m watching the 2nd when they change actors to the adult version of the vampire to see if it’s any better. He’s an actor that fell in love with the lead female and they got married in real life. He’s going to be in a new k-drama coming up so I thought I’d check out his other work.
            I usually can stand up to 20 minutes of another drama before going back to Untamed. But to build the anticipation, I’m not going to watch Empathy arc for Nie til tomorrow. I don’t think I’ve watched that part more than once and don’t really remember it.

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            Hahaha….are the censors sleeping? Or enjoying their job too much?

            Yeah, I thought Blood was the kdrama where the now infamous not couple got hitched. Just curious why you chose the drama.

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            @outofthisworld Why I chose Blood? I put all the actor’s dramas on my “to try” list and then I watch a bit to see if anything sticks. That’s what I did with Untamed and Longest Day in Chang’an, watched a bit of each to see which one stuck. And you know the rest of the story.

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            @outofthisworld Dropped Blood already – didn’t last long, did it! Dropped his other dramas too. Now back to re-watching whatever, besides Untamed. Although I do love Tale of Nokdu.

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      In the process of untangling myself from The Untamed, I started Ashes of Love and found myself enjoying the cute yet angsty story. But on the other hand, I just became a member of Discord group that covered everything MXTX related (i.e. the writer of the Untamed novel). So… I’m not sure I’m actually willing to let myself out from this rabbit hole.

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      Since I started watching The Untamed later than many others, I’m still happily in the re-watch (sort of the 3rd one now), re-visiting all those parts that I didn’t understand, and noticing things others mentioned which I missed.

      I do admit that other shows, which I can objectively say are good, I do not feel as much emotional engagement with, just because the feels for The Untamed and it’s actors is still so strong, and there’s little energy for or interest left over to pay to other shows.

      I still laugh and cry with other shows and I do still intersperse other entertainment in my viewing time, but the majority of interest still lies with things, The Untamed.

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        You are so right! I will still say Nirvana In Fire is overall a better show than the Untamed but I didn’t feel as much emotional engagement to it as I did to the Untamed. Even some of my all time favorite kdramas, none came close to this show.

        I have been very good at not following actors or shipping drama couples. I wouldn’t say I ship Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo but their BTS interactions, fanmeet and concert appearances are all so entertaining. I love them together and separately.

        Other than Untamed related things, the only drama I’m watching is Longest Day In Changan. This one won’t fail me quality wise, it’s just that I am not hooked to it. I can watch one episode per day.

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          I could not ever get into NIF for the exact reason you mentioned – no emotional engagement to any of the leads. Therefore I didn’t care for the story, the acting, the revenge, the political machinations, nada.
          However, it will still be known as the penultimate drama. Untamed is too personal, to emotionally engaging but not enough grand splendor.

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            For NIF S1, I only cared for Wang Kia’s character or maybe sort of something of the ML. Strangely, I am immune to Hu Ge so he does nothing for me although everyone in the cast were good to great actors. The villains in the show outdid the heroes in terms of complexity, depth and acting. NIF S2 was a lot less great in terms of writing and plot but I did feel more attached to the characters, even for Huang Xiaoming who I usually don’t care much for.

            Untamed isn’t one of those dramas which are epic and grand. I know the visuals are great but there are some C dramas which are crazily splendid in this aspect.

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            @outofthisworld BTW, you mis-typed Wang Kai’s name. I know because my daughter’s nickname is Kai (which I’m told to change it because it’s a guy’s name, ha!). I don’t care of Wang Kai or Hu Ge . But I wholeheartedly agree with NIF2, I was really attached to the characters, esp Liu Hao Ran and the lady who played Lin Xi, well, just about everyone.
            I loved NIF2. It’s on my list to watch again, and I’ve watched it I think 3 or 4 times since it’s aired.
            I much prefer intimate personal emotional attachments to characters and their relationships rather than having grand vistas, beautiful cinematography, etc. Don’t spend the whole budget on visuals.

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            LOL! Yup, it’s a typo. There’s no such word ‘kia’ in Chinese.

            It’s possible for Kai to be a girl’s name – it depends on which character you use. If it’s this ๅ‡ฏ, then I think it might work if it’s a middle character rather than the last for example ‘surname/family name’ ๅ‡ฏ็Žฒ but if it’s just ‘surname/family name’ ๅ‡ฏ, it’s definitely more male.

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      I’m about 2/3 through my second watch and second reading of the book. However this morning i found some more of those “crack” videos of these two – along with crack videos from the Guardians (another ‘bromance’ drama) and now I’ve spent all day watching between getting things done.
      But I can’t help but compare it to Wei Wuxian and Lan Zhan. sigh…..
      Yes, at some point we need to move past this obsession and get on with life right?
      But I still love watching all the interaction between these two actors on and off stage.
      What is this about? Why is it so affecting? Is it the pure love and friendship between these two that we are all watching and wishing we had in our lives?
      maybe…
      but I’ve been enjoying obsessing about this show with all of you @outofthisworld, @trinpie all the others…
      I’m always happy to read and respond to your posts!

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        Yes, at some point we need to move past this obsession and get on with life right?

        Definitely! It’s just harder than I thought and I’m shocked at myself.

        I do not know why this show has such an effect on me. I am not a viewer who gets easily emotionally attached to a show.

        I have not analysed if it’s pure love or friendship. I am a terribly hard to please viewer when it comes to romance. I hate all the drama tropes that force viewers to feel something. So many ‘romantic’ moments fall flat. Here comes a drama where love is communicated purely through the eyes, touch, body language, confessions(not “I love you” but even more effective!) and action. No kissing, no hugging. Yet, it’s the most successful in bringing across the romantic or if you wish to see it in another way – special relationship between the two.

        Thank you for reading @stpauligurl! I always enjoy reading yours too.

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      I’m still in it deep!!!

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      ha ha.. i started untamed yesterday for second watch.. lol.. i couldn’t bear it after ep 2

      BUT that is primarily because fans’ undying effort to promote BJYX drama is super high quality and fun.. and i get new things every 3 days ๐Ÿ˜›

      it is wearing off now though as new content reduces!

      But surprisingly, i can’t find myself going back to any of MXTX’s other works either..
      it has been very long since i last read scum villain, might re read that

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        Me too. I just cannot stand rewatches but do enjoy the side content ๐Ÿ˜€

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      who is watching tharntype series?
      it is all smut. leads have excellent physical chemistry ๐Ÿ˜›

      But i have to say, it is done fairly decently.. it doesn’t look vulgur.. nor does it look the usual cheesy thai stuff (i’m sure stuff will come.. but until ep 6. its good)

      PS: story is just a loose plot.. so ignore.. but surprisingly even with lack of story, leads chemistry sells off the whole thing

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        Me! I did like first ep but then it went crazy. Like so many other dramas, things between the leads develop too fast and romance doesn’t feel real. It’s like a race to fanservice. I was never a fan of SOTUS but I’m always surprised other thai BLs don’t learn from it.

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          what happened in SOTUS?
          good or bad?

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            Many people loved it, later it even got a sequel, I find the plot silly and the secondary characters boring but they did take the time to let the romance or at least the tension between the MLs grow, that’s not to say it was ever developed but it was slow which was probably the reason it became a hit among this genre.

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          “things between the leads develop too fast and romance doesnโ€™t feel real. Itโ€™s like a race to fanservice”. This is so true!!

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    Why is he so CUTE? ๐Ÿ˜€

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    I’m on my 2nd rewatch, at ep 45… not only I’m not skipping any scenes (of 3rd or 4th characters), but also I’m doing a lot of rewinding and rewatching along with reading some chapters of the novel to understand some
    WWX’s PoV better… even when reading a chapter I cannot just brows, I want to read it over and over… Before starting The Untamed, I was in the middle of two other dramas: Camilla (pretty good one actually) and Vagabond (carazy stupid makjang, but addictive)… anyway I couldn’t get back to watching any of those yet!!

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Han Guangjun Destroyed by Yibo in 13 seconds
Look at the poor Gusu sect juniors in the background.

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If Light Bearing Lord Travels In Time
Man ponytail or man bun isn\’t my thing but darn, how can anyone look so beautiful yet masculine with one?
Our Light Bearing Lord can. Without the headpiece and flowing tresses, you still look divine!
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    Yibo’s jawline could cut diamonds! <3

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    Lan Wangji is truly an ethereal beauty, yet manly and glorious with lots of dignity (except when he’s drunk!!)… I can’t imagine anyone other than Wang Yibo nailing this role… he even beats Gong-gil’s ethereal beauty for me!!

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      “..except when he’s drunk!”

      LOL! Those scenes were so cute, weren’t they?

      Yeah, I think Wang Yibo brought Lan Wangji to life and more. Besides selective reading for better understanding, I have not read the entire novel. But I did start a little and thinking back to the drama, I was totally amazed because it was as if Yibo and Xiao Zhan as Lang Wangji and Wei Wuxian stepped out of the pages and came to life.

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        Drunken Hanguang-Jun was the cutest things I’ve ever seen!!
        I also browsed through a few chapters of the GDC novel and was amazed how much Wang Yibo and Xiao Zhan imitated Lang Wangji and Wei Wuxian (which is a lot of times not the case when they adapting a manga)… and their beauty and their their personality differences complement each other like a masterpiece

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        They both did a great job. I can’t imagine anyone else being WWX or LWJ. Both WYB and XZ brought their characters to life for me.

        Though the drama did ‘mature’ WWX up. He was a lot more shameless, silly and immature in the novel. Which I liked, but I also really liked his more mature, less shameless version in the drama. They were similar, yet different but I liked both takes on the character.

        But Lan Wangji was pretty spot on (just not as aggressive with WWX like in the novel, which needed to be removed due to censors).

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Topic of The Week -Yaoi Hands-The Untamed
I didn’t know of this term until this week when I saw a series of tweets on Wang Yibo’s yaoi hands.
If you are like me and don’t know what’s yaoi hands, they are a common trope in BL, or boys love manga. Yaoi hands are over large elongated hands beyond normal proportions.
It’s insanely conincidental that Lan Zhan has Yaoi hands, pffft…

Now, whenever I watch clips of The Untamed, I keep seeing Lan Zhan’s Yaoi hands!
Here’s a clip of Yibo teaching Xiao Zhan a song from his show Day Day Up.
Cute dorks as always

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Of Flying Men, Long Hair and Swords-Wuxia

I have been obsessing over the Chinese drama The Untamed for months. This despite watching it twice and I am holding myself back from a third watch by pick up a new drama.

For years, I have been yearning for a good wuxia(martial arts heroes with crazy swording fighting skills) drama but there are hardly any. Hong Kong dramas used to be the staple for many asian viewers but their glory days are long gone.

To make a good period drama, you need a reasonably big budget or it’s going to look like a school skit. In the visual aspect, C period dramas are the most stunning. In the higher budget ones, their costumes, props, sets and cinematography are breathtaking.

When I say period drama, it can mean different sub genres:
Historical
a) those with reference to real life people or events. This is my not favourite genre. Although history can be very interesting, the screenplay aren’t necessarily so. The outcome in history is set but dramas can use creative licence to tell their story. As long as it’s not absurdly far from the truth, I prefer an interesting interpretation than an accurate but boring one. It all comes down to excellent plot writing, good characterisations and storytelling.After all, I don’t enjoy watching old men plotting with nothing else to reel me in.
In this genre, I probably missed the golden era of good Korean saeguks because I have not enjoyed any with the exception of Six Flying Dragons. Even then, I think I loved Byun Yohan’s character and cross dressing badass swordman Gil Tae Mi than Lee Bang Won.
I hate palace politics so I was surprised that I enjoyed C drama Yanxi Palace more than I’d admit. The writer was brilliant. I didn’t know one can fit so many twists and plots into an episode and entire drama. It wasn’t the best writing but absolutely entertaining and gripping.
b) those with little or no reference to real life people and events.
Many Korean fusion period dramas fall into this category. I enjoyed Sungkyunkwan Scandal, Moonlight Drawn By Clouds purely for fluff. Easy to watch and eye candy.
I will put one of my favorite C-dramas in the category – Story of Ming Lan. Not fluff, not easy to watch, no eye candies but very well written characters and plots. I can’t believe I watched 73 eps of it.

Xianxia – fantasy.
Immortal heroes and villains, lots of mythology, heavenly and dark realms and magic.
My least favorite genre. A lot of C-dramas in this category.
The only Korean one I can think of is Arthdal Chronicles. It’s supposedly big budget but I didn’t see the results. Let’s not talk about the story, the world building, costumes and visuals were terrible.

Wuxia
Mortal heroes and villains. Martial arts and cultivation.Must have decent martial arts especially swordfighting.
I can’t name any Korean period drama that I can categorize as Wuxia. Does this genre exist in kdramas? I know the Japanese have their samurai films/dramas and oh, I enjoyed Rurouni Kenshin tremendously.
My current favourite Cdrama – The Untamed.
Handsome, beautiful male leads with long hair(say no to ugly wigs), ravishing suave in long robes and badass swordfighting. I know this isn’t the best choreography or real martial arts display but kudos to Wang Yibo whose Han Guangjun was stunningly kickass in fighting scenes.

I had already post this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERKlDq2cUEg previously. This one here will focus on our Light Bearing Lord.

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      I’m loving bingeing it on Netflix. Already up to ep 34.

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      I honestly love these bts tidbits just as much as the drama

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      This is a gif that you can HEAR even though there’s no sound…. Does that even make sense?? lol

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      Decent martial arts especially sword-fighting is my absolute catnip! Although The Untamed could have done better in terms of CGI, I still truly enjoyed all Hanguang Jun’s speedy sword fighting and his glorious martial arts…

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    “This despite watching it twice and I am holding myself back from a third watch by pick up a new drama.”

    Me too. That is why I am giving myself to December to watch even one episode.

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    I don’t know why it took me this long to finally watch my first Chinese period drama because I’ve been loving wuxia and xianxia novels for years. It’s probably fate that The Untamed is my first experience. Anyway, now that you’ve mentioned it k-drama seems to not have any equivalent of wuxia in its genre, isn’t it? Which is a shame because some historical dramas and movies do have a great swordplay.

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      It’s exciting times for C drama fans. If the money doesn’t dry up and they can come up with more solid stories and consistency, I am expecting to see more goodies in these genre. Some of the dramas have that cinematic feel, absolutely gorgeous!

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        The doubt is whether or not the producers realize it’s the solid story that’s just as important as the cast, and not so much just idol leads.
        It’s kind of strange, lately I noticed The Wolf starring Darren Wang Talu, has suddenly become The Wolf starring Xiao Zhan. He was always listed as second lead previously.

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          is it out?
          is it finally releasing?

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            I wish I knew. I have a feeling they’re revising it so much it’s going to be either really good or really bad. It’s been so long and so many of us have been waiting and waiting and waiting. But I’m glad they didn’t release it before I knew who Xiao Zhan was!

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    O fair-faced Hanguang-jun – how we adore thee <3333

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    Eeks, I only just now saw this. Interesting because I was just thinking about this very thing: wuxia vs xianxia. From your description and from an article I read defining the difference between wuxia and xianxia, I was sure Untamed is classified wuxia. But every site and every other review I read lists Untamed as xianxia. I agree with you.
    And like you, I do not like xianxia, for instance and especially I hated Ashes of Love, with all the pink, purple, etc.
    The only wuxia type kdrama I could think of was maybe The King Loves.

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      Since you liked Yanxi I’ll try it again…
      Did not like Minglan but I don’t like the lead actress.
      Did not like NIF but loved NIF2. Go figure…

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      “The Untamed” is considered xianxia because of the fantastical cultivation aspect and how they used musical instruments as weapons as well and not simply swords. Wuxia is more about staying true traditional martial arts

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        I’ll have to go back and re read my sources because I don’t remember that.

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        I thought xianxia had to do with immortal beings such as in Ashes of Love. Can you name some specific wuxia dramas then?

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          Yup, you’re correct, but “The Untamed” falls under the xianxia category because the cultivation the characters go under is basically for the purpose of reaching immortal status. The word “xian” in ‘xianxia’ literally translates to ‘god’

          Some wuxia dramas: “Nirvana In Fire” 1 & 2, Heavenly Sword and Dragon Sabre”, “The Princess Weiyoung”, “Princess Agents”, “Legend Of Fuyao”, “The King’s Woman”, “The Rise Of Phoenixes”, “The Four”

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            I’d think Legend of Fuyao is xianxia then. Other than that I’ve only watched NIF2 on your list.

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            Ooooh okay

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            @lindapalapala Iโ€™d respectfully disagree and then would reinforce the fact that itโ€™s hard to tell if some Cdramas are wuxia vs xianxia using THE LEGEND IF FUYAO as the example. Because although FUYAO and WUJI were actually immortal, they were very much mortal through the entire show and could have died at any time. The premise of the show was the god becoming as mortal and pursuing his love through several dynasties. If the ending scene was not there, it would have been wuxia all the way. I should look up what other writers/reviews say about this show…

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          @ally-le Ah, thanks for your insights to Legend of Fuyao. That was only the 2nd C-fantasy I’d watched and was very confused with a lot of things. I’m not sure what you mean by if the ending scene weren’t there it would be wuxia. Could you explain more? I bet if I watch it again I’ll understand a lot more.

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            The two of them were in a paradise together overlooking the mortal world. WUJI says to FUYAO that he loved her so much that he would go through all the pain and suffering as a mortal to find her in the mortal world as well. Then we realize that the entirety of the drama prior was him living out that promise.

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            @ally-le Aah, thanks! Now I remember that was what happened. But I wouldn’t have remembered if you hadn’t reminded me and I would have been clueless because I’m going to watch it again now.

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            @ally-le Question about Fuyao: so did they die as mortals at the end? Did they go back to their paradise? Now I’m still a bit confused…

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            I donโ€™t think the show tells us. But I would suspect that they go back to being immortals after heโ€™s just proven this undying love to her.

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            @ally-le I just read that many fans did NOT like Ethan Ruan and Yang Mi together – I thought they were great!

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            I liked them too.

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        Before I wrote this post, I did not check what The Untamed has been categorised as. I just went with my own interpretation.

        https://k.sina.com.cn/article_7206543301_1ad8b1fc500100jx3v.html
        If you do read Chinese, this article explains it quite well why The Untamed is more wuxia than xianxia, not by definition but the essence of the story. I also agree with the author that it’s very difficult these days to find a pure wuxia drama.

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          Thanks – I think the lines between the two must be quite hazy. In my own mind, regardless of (ahem) another post, I want it to be wuxia, not xianxia…

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          I think the line between the two must be hazy, so I’m going with you and my personal feelings. That way I can say I don’t like xianxia such as Ashes of Love, or any other fantasy that deals with gods who are already immortal, or stories that take thousands of years instead of 16 years.
          btw I don’t read Chinese, grr…I do know the character for Wang however.

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          I see where the article is going…. It’s the essence of the story, characters, and the origins of the martial arts that determines whether a drama is wuxia or xianxia– not so much about whether or not it has fantastical elements

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Han Guangjun – Turn Up The Music!
From ethereal, white and calm guqin(zither> playing Han Guang Jun

to

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I had put these dramas on hold when I was watching The Untamed
-Extraordinary You
-Tale of Nokdu
-My Country
-Longest Day in Changan
It was impossible to watch anything at the same time with The Untamed which grabbed all my attention and devotion. I watched it twice and found the second watch even more fulfilling. It’s the weirdest thing ever. I’m stopping myself from starting the third round and so which of these dramas should I pick from where I left?

The Untamed has raised the bar so high that it’s almost impossible to find another drama which can surpass it. Probably not anytime soon. Still, it has spoilt me.

I remember that I was very impressed with the production quality of Longest Day In Changan but the story was difficult to get into. So, this is what I ended up choosing. Hopefully it pays off.

I was also shocked to see Djimon Hounsou in this drama!

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    I’d choose Nokdu, but it depends on your mood. I just find it very charming and well plotted so far. The two leads are doing so very well especially the ML. I’m enjoying his performance so much. Honestly for me he is the break out actor for this year.

    But Extraordinary is really good too. I haven’t watched the others and am strongly considering My Country.

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      I was initially most excited about EY but I started to have a feeling that the story isn’t going anywhere. Now, it seems the least likely one for me to revisit.

      Tale of Nokdu – I had only like the shenanigans of the OTP and didn’t care for anything else. I am finding it hard to watch saeguks these days. I think the last one I really liked was Six Flying Dragons. I’m not sure if watching C period dramas is making it harder for me to watch saeguk. I figured it must have an awesome story for it to work for me, something that can get me emotionally vested. Because if you compare other aspects, C periods are way ahead in terms of production, costumes, styling, sets and cinematography – things which I appreciate in period dramas. So I was hoping My Country is that drama – one with a excellent plot, story and characters who can draw me in. I’ve only watched less than half an episode before I decided to put it on hold, more because of the timing than anything else.

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        I agree about saeguks vs cdrama historical. I think it’s probably because 90% of saeguks take place in Joseon and I’m not a fan of Joseon. While cdramas span all different dynasties and kingdoms which gives much more variances. I am also enthralled with ancient Chinese culture.

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    I hope Chang’an pays off, I loved this drama and got interested in history of Silk Road and Tang Dynasty, but obviously it’s up to personal taste, I know Avenue X wasn’t a big fan, but I didn’t agree with her reasoning, sometimes dramas just don’t click with you no matter how good they are, and that’s it.

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      I happened to click on her final review video when I was searching for a video to include in this post. It’s quite discouraging but I ‘ll continue.

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        I was quite discouraged too at first, it showed up when I was around 20th episode, but I didn’t feel that way watching, and I think it’s unfair to compare character building to Untamed, because both dramas take different approach to storytelling. For me characters in Chang’an are really compelling even if we don’t know a whole lot about them, I’m particularly impressed with actress portraying Yuchang.

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          I am only at ep 8! I completely forgotten that this is 48 episodes. But these days, give me 50 episodes of greatness anytime over 20 episodes of mediocre or unrewarding ones.

          I can tell that it’s a different drama from The Untamed and I shan’t compare them in the same light.

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            Long gone are the days when I refused to watch the drama because it’s too long, LOL.

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    Extraordinary You and Tales of Nokdu are more fluff, but have lots of pretty. My Country and Longest Day in Changan are more epic and suspenseful. I personally will pick Changan because it’s over. Waiting for the next episode of My Country is a torture to me.

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    My Country would be such a let down after watching The Untamed… I was so frustrated and underwhelmed with MC that I decided to watch The Untamed instead (my best decision ever!!!)

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      Hmmm…I didn’t get that impression from fanwall posts.

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        I was so excited to watch MC, three of my favorite actors in one drama!!! But I dropped it bitterly after 4 episodes… it might got better after ep 4, but I couldn’t make myseld to watch it any further, specially now that I watched The Untamed, I know exactly why I was so frustrated with MC… anyway you better judge it by yourself…

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          Do tell me what frustrates you. If it’s something that might irk me too then I won’t even waste time.

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            All the forced relationship, forced love and forced hatred (without exploring and building up), super tropey tragedies, so many k-drama tropes at one drama just made me so frustrated… It’s like they ran out of ideas and mixed all the previous period dramas together… such a waste of WDH… I don’t know, maybe I was just so tired of Kdramas and needed something more *Untamed*

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    I’ve just started Nodku today and it made me laugh but somewhere deep in my heart it still does not fill the void that Untamed left 😞. After 2 episodes, i find myself longing for the Untamed again….!

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    I’ve watched the first few ep. of EY and ToN and I am in love with EY. First few ep are confusing though.

    The first thing I watched after just finishing The Untamed for the first time was Changan. But I only watched 1 ep and just couldn’t go on as I was still too deep into TU (I struggled to watch anything for atleast a week afterwards). But I could tell it was very well done and a high production. I plan to go back and watch it one day, just not been in the mood.

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Stoic Han Guangjun, Light Bearing Lord
Who would have imagine, Lan Wangji as an incomparable beauty who only appeared once in a blue moon, nothing could help the bitter facial expression that made him look as though his wife had passed away…”,


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would be portrayed by this ray of sunshine – Wang Yibo? Look at his gorgeous smiles!

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The Mad Mad World Of The Untamed
I think I shall post all the funny stuff, be it BTS, fanmade, interviews etc under this banner.
Why you should never make a cake with your favourite characters

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The Untamed Trailer(Eng Sub)
If there is only one drama you can watch this year, watch this.

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Character Appreciation – SPOILER SPOILER

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WangXian ๅฟ˜็พก โ€“ The Untamed Ending
Part 1
At the end of the fight at Guanyin temple, Wei Ying and Lan Zhan quietly left the rest behind. Lan Zhan was going to tell Wei Ying about Sizhui, one of the things which he hasnโ€™t told Wei Ying. It was a tearful but joyous family reunion, and didnโ€™t we all think they would walk into the sunset happily ever after?
Well, Wei Ying did. This is the carefree Wei Ying who I imagine, will live vivaciously, roaming the world, go night hunting and rewards himself with a swig of his favourite Emperorโ€™s Smile.
He had been so used to having Lan Zhan by his side. After all, Lan Zhan\’s face was the last he saw before he died 16 years ago and the first, he saw when he came back to life.

But Lan Zhan doesn\’t move.

\”Lan Zhan, are you not coming (with me)?\”

All this while, we saw the lengths and depths of Lan Zhanโ€™s love, but we never saw Wei Yingโ€™s. Wei Yingโ€™s reaction here confirms that in his heart, Lan Zhan isnโ€™t just a confidante or someone who he should be grateful towards, he is someone Wei Ying cannot live without. He is just beginning to realize it.
Lan Zhan is clearly pained. He must have struggled very much on how to break it to Wei Ying. In the end, he still has no words.

He cannot bear to see Wei Ying\’s face and looks down.

Xiao Zhanโ€™s awesome delivery smashed any doubt of Wei Ying\’s feelings to oblivion โ€“ the barely concealed pain, feeble attempt at smiling and the tear brimmed eyes. Oh, my poor heart!

Not only was Wei Ying unaware of his own feelings, he was obtuse about Lan Zhan\’s. Let\’s look back at the scene in Guanyin Temple where they were held hostage by Jin Guangyao.

In the novel, it was Lan Xichen who had to spell it out clearly to Wei Ying about Lan Zhanโ€™s love for him. Obviously, this could not be played verbatim in the drama. Instead, we had Lan Xichen telling Wei Ying about how Lan Zhan stood up for him and suffered on his account all these years. The scene ended with Wei Ying concluding that all he needed was a confidante or soulmate in life.
This can be construed safely and pass the censors but what happened in the novel is that after Lan Xichen told Wei Ying of Lan Zhanโ€™s love for him, Wei Ying declared his love to Lan Zhan in front of everyone in the temple in a most unmistakable way.

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    Part 2
    The next scene shows Lan Zhan and Wei Ying playing their song by the waterfall. Lan Zhan has brought Wei Ying back to the Cloud Recesses. Maybe there was a ceremony appointing Lan Zhan as the Chief Cultivator. They spend time there and Lan Zhan reminds Wei Ying of the promise he made there where years ago, they lit the lanterns.
    In the aftermath of the events, Lan Zhan must have learnt that even minding oneโ€™s own business is no guarantee that one will be safe from the fallouts of worldly politics nor would he be able to protect the innocents.

    “I wish that I, Lan Wangji, can eliminate evil and protect the weak.
    I have no regrets as long as my conscience is clear.”
    Lan Zhan makes Wei Ying’s promise his own.

    “You are indeed Han Guangjun”
    “You are indeed Wei Ying”
    (Can I just say here that Lan Zhan never lets Wei Ying forget how significant he is?)

    I love how these simple lines aptly sums up the kind of persons they are and why they fell in love with each other.
    Wei Ying knows Lan Zhan cares for him, protects him and stands by him but he does not know or fully comprehend the extent of Lan Zhanโ€™s feelings for him. Struggling with his own emotions, his heart breaks over Lan Zhanโ€™s decision. He felt there is nothing he can do except understand and support Lan Zhan.
    As for Lan Zhan, now that Jin Guangyao is gone, Wei Ying is safe and standing in the cultivation world restored, itโ€™s time for him to move on.
    He thinks Wei Ying sees him as a soulmate and a cultivation partner who can accompany him in lifeโ€™s adventures. However, these are not enough to abandon his responsibilities now and follow Wei Ying to roam the world. Neither will he ask Wei Ying to stay with him in the Cloud Recesses and โ€˜imprisonโ€™ the free-spirited soul with its rigid rules. A happy and carefree Wei Ying is who Lan Zhan loves. Yet at the same time, he is torn and burdened with guilt because he knows Wei Ying will be alone. His heart is heavy and hurts like crazy.

    (stop killing me with those soft smiles. I mean, don’t stop!)

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      I know I shouldn’t even ask but is the novel different? I mean, they had to separate because of the censors? I don’t care about knowing the end because I’m taking it slowly.

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        @lixie You are supposed to avoid spoilers!

        I guess I didn’t articulate properly. In a way, you can say they had to separate because of censorship because if you’ve read the novel, you will know why. But my point is this ending is perfect because they avoided censorship but still showed without a doubt the nature of their relationship.

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          Yes, usually I do but in TU I’m way past that ehehhehehe, I think I already know all major events in the story. It’s helpful because it makes it easier to go slowly. When a story is too addictive I like knowing the ending.

          I’m going to be honest this ending makes sense but only if they’re just friends. The romantic part of the story still works in the drama because we know there is all they can’t say but it’s still there. I’ve read some parts of the novel, for example, that kiss scene in the forest was replaced by a reasonable scene that questions their meanings in each other’s lives. It works both ways, they can be just friends and they can also be more. Same with the cave scenes. Later after that confession in the novel I find it hard to imagine they would choose to go different paths though I haven’t got to that yet.

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        They never separate in the novel and become ‘cultivation partners’ (aka a married couple). In the main novel they figuratively ride off into the sunset together.

        In the bonus chapters it goes further to show they wander around night-hunting and helping whoever needs it for a few months before Wei Wuxian moves into the Lan Sect with Lan Zhan. He helps train the juniors, will go on night hunts with them, and will help Lan Zhan with administration things at times ❤️

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          THANKS! I’m just going to choose to go with that version! I do understand the beauty of the drama choice but that contradicts the love story to me. I think it was something the censors imposed. Idiots. sorry.
          These bonus chapters are also in that site?

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            Yup! But if you don’t like sex scenes, there are some pretty smutty sex scenes in some of the bonus chapters so be careful if you don’t like that.

            And I personally like both endings. Both fit with the versions of the stories they told. I watched the drama first and absolutely loved the ending as it was so beautifully done and gave me some intense emotions. I had to rewatch the last 5 min. like 6x in a row because it was so beautiful to me.

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            @trinpie I absolutely agree with you on the ending. While the novel’s ending was a straightforward and logical conclusion, the drama did what they could within boundaries and still managed to pull off a masterpiece. At least that’s what I think it is.

            In order to do this post and make the gifs, I had to watch the ending countless times. It was beautiful, meaningful and intense. Strangely, the feeling didn’t lessen regardless of the number of times I watched it.

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            I’m fine with any content like that. ๐Ÿ˜›

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            @outofthisworld

            I can only consider this beautiful if the censors forced the writers to choose it. Which I think someone said they did promise them. Like a trade, you crazy censors let us get away with lots of stares and double meanings and we promise to make a friendship finale. Because, yes, it was a beautiful separation but it not only contradicts the love version it also ignores WWX’s deep desire to have a family. Free spirit doesn’t mean he liked to be alone so much. Anyway it’s ironic because just yesterday I was thinking drama made some really good decisions like showing WWX’s death instead of having it off stage, and that even if the BL was allowed if it meant following novel entirely I’d have taken drama version, but today I have to take it back. Not that novel is better than the drama, it isn’t, I just have to imagine the drama with some parts from the original story. Thanks for all the beautiful posts!

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            @lixie

            I am not sure if I’m reading you correctly. It’s 2am here and past my bedtime. Gotta to hit the sack very soon.

            My point is the finale is not a friendship one. Nor were they separated for good. They came back together even though some will argue that in the strictest sense, the producer left it open to interpretation and we cannot ascertain what is not explicitly shown.

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            @outofthisworld
            I think you are, I mean maybe I should wait before getting there but everything you posted tells me this is the best the writers could come up with to make them separate in the most beautiful manner but it does change the love to friendship, which is what was demanded of them.
            Go sleep! I don’t want to hijack this beautiful post with my crazy rants, let’s talk more later ehehheh.

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          How could I even possibly have forgotten that bit about WWX moving to the Cloud Recesses with LZ and helping train the juniors! But I did forget. So glad you posted that!

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            So much for the free spirit that needs to roam free in the world.

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            @Lixie But perhaps his free spirit is roaming – with the juniors and night hunting. Perhaps that’s what his free spirit loves doing.

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            @lixie His character in the book definitely craved family the most, rather than roaming the world. With LZ he found that family. He might not wander the world but he will leave for many days at a time going out with the juniors to night hunt or help others. But ultimately, what he craved the most was a home and family, which he found with LZ. And it was WWX who was the one who suggested they go to Gusu Lan as LZ lets him decide where they will go and follows his whims. With how their characters are, if WWX decided he didn’t want to settle at Gusu Lan anymore, LZ would immediately follow wherever he led.

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            @trinpie “What he craved most was family…” I like how you phrased that. After I posted I remembered his dream of having a home (house), and dreaming all the things a married couple would have (I don’t remember which chapter or whether or not they were raising kids but am making my way through the extra chapters now – I should take notes!)
            Anyway, thanks for reminding us of this. Beautifully said.

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            @linda-palapala Oh! I totally forgot about his life’s dream. His dream that him and LZ would live in the country together. WWX would farm and hunt while LZ would make him dinner and sew 🤣

            It’s mentioned in the novel somewhere and also in the Incense bonus chapter, because we see WWX’s dream of his desire for a sweet and tranquil life with LZ but than LZ’s dream is extremely naughty! 😳🙈

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            @trinpie

            Thanks again, that’s a perfect ending. That sense that LZ became his family is mostly why I disagree with them going different ways in the drama. There are other reasons too but this is the main one.

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          I have to retract my previous statement that LZ only stayed until his brother returned – since I totally forgot about WWX helping train the juniors and going on night hunts with them. I guess I should read the all the extra chapters once again, not just the smut!

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      That ‘breakup’ was heartbreaking as I watched it yesterday. LZ staying and accepting Chief Cultivator is such a LZ thing to do and WWX, while being sad, accepting who LZ is is such a WWX thing to do.

      So much was said with so little words during those final scenes. Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo killed it. So good. so good.

      I almost don’t want them to do another project together because nothing will ever come close to the work they did on this series.

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        I know what you mean @larelle79 When something is perfect, there’s nothing more one can add to it.

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          I don’t even want to watch either of them in another drama just yet. Though by the time the Dr one comes out I’ll be ready to see XZ in another (modern) role.

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        ha ha.. there is an awesome fanfic on the drama universe.. actually two
        1. WX sends letters to LWJ and the whole series is letters back and forth. the writing is so b’ful because words used in each letter progressively become romantic and by the end, WX can’t stay away and comes back to LZ

        2. He comes back “for a few days”.. but then love happens.. scratch that, love just finally gets the verbal recognition – this is good too

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    Part 3
    I think my heart broke countless times watching this ending again and again as I write this piece. The looks on Lan Zhan and Wei Yingโ€™s faces as they stood there.

    Lan Zhan’s eyes are cast down before he slowly looks up to meet Wei Yingโ€™s gaze.

    Lan Zhan lowers his eyes again and then Wei Ying says:
    “I’m going that way.”
    LZ: “I’m going this way.”

    With a tone of finality,
    WY: “Lan Zhan, I am leaving.”
    Lan Zhan doesn’t say a word but gives the tiniest nod (that must be difficult)
    WY forces a smile before he nudges the donkey:
    “Little Apple, let’s go.”
    (Double ouch!)

    He takes one last look at Lan Zhan whose eyes remain downcast as he walked past, smiling as he always does. But the smile fades as soon as his back is to Lan Zhan.
    (Damn! Damn! Damn!)

    Lan Zhan is the one who turns around and looks at Wei Ying’s back
    as he walks away.
    There’s a slight smile on his face.
    This is the Wei Ying he knows. Free spirited, unencumbered, the world is his oyster.

    He turns around and walks in the opposite direction.

    Suddenly he stops. The sound of the flute. It’s their song.

    He turns his head and recalls Wei Ying asking:
    “Lan Zhan, the next we meet, you have to have come up with a name for this songโ€
    LZ thinks to himself: โ€œI have already come up with one.”

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      I was just watching this scene yesterday and all the feels came back. I may have put The Untamed down a bit to read Heaven Officials’Blessings but LZ and WY are never too far from my heart. Also, I’m constantly reminded of them on Twitter and watching clips from the recent concert. Thank you so much for posting about The Untamed on the fanwall. I may not always have much to say but I’m always here!

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        Thank you @jenmole.

        I think I need to read the Untamed novel before I try Heaven Officials’ Blessings. I have been resisting the novel but I think I’m on the brink of giving in. I am so far detached from any new drama.

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          HOB is really good. If I didn’t have responsibilities I’d lose sleep to read the whole thing.

          I am also considering re-reading MDZS. I think I might have missed some details there as well.

          If you end up reading the novel, I’m sure you’ll love it.

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          TrinPie had posted the pdfs before.

          The Untamed:

          http://www.dramabeans.com/members/trinpie/activity/885162/

          It’s also translated here on this site:

          https://exiledrebelsscanlations.com/novels/grandmaster-of-demonic-cultivation/

          For HOB, TrinPie also recently posted the PDF and links here:

          http://www.dramabeans.com/members/trinpie/activity/914150/

          And if you really want to test your Chinese, I found the Chinese novel for HOB here:

          https://www.luoxia.com/tianguancifu/

          I was very curious about the Chinese names of the characters so I looked up the Chinese novel. I can’t read all the characters but based on what I can make out, the translators do a good job translating the novel. There were a couple of idioms that they translated and I was in awe since I was able to recognize it when reading it in English. Then I looked it up in the Chinese novel and it was what I thought it would be.

          The Untamed and it’s world has made me wish my Chinese was better. The amount of time I’ve used Google Translate is crazy. I want to know what the word is and how to say it in Mandarin and Cantonese. 😂

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            Thank you so much @jenmole

            I will pass on the Chinese novel. When kimbapnoona showed me an extract of The Untamed in Chinese, I surrendered at once. I think I’ve never read a Chinese novel in my entire life. I last attempted as a student but I never finished.

            I know you can’t tell from my writing because there are so many grammatical errors and more, but I do think and dream in English. This is a result of growing up in a bilingual education system where English is our first language and Chinese, 2nd. It’s a Singapore thing, unique amongst Asian countries. Singaporean Beanies are much better in their English than me and I think, Chinese too. I just happen to be one of those who rambles more, lol.

            No one in my family speaks Mandarin. My parents speak Teochew(ๆฝฎๅทž) dialect, my Dad was a Anglophile, probably due to having grown up in colonial Singapore. My Mom migrated from China but spoke dialect only. My sisters learned Malay, the national language. I know it’s complicated ๐Ÿ˜›

            The more I watched Chinese dramas and variety shows, the more my Chinese improves. It