Beanie level: Errand boy

Have the latest episodes of My Country not been subbed at this point?

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    Preempted in Korea by baseball, I think.

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      Thanx. I was trying to find information online. Does that mean that both episodes are affected?

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        Oops, I was thinking of Vagabond. Don’t ask me how I could confuse the two. 😱

        I’m also not seeing anything specific on MC. My apologies.

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    Raw versions showed up more or less on schedule. Maybe the subbers are busy watching baseball ???

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      Yes, I noticed the raw episodes.

      “Maybe the subbers are busy watching baseball ???”

      I guess that must be the case. 😉

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Is there something wrong with tonight’s episode of Nokdu? It doesn’t continue where the previous one ended. I’m totally lost.

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    The previous episode ended with the King coming face to face with Nokdu.

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      It does. There may be an error with the video what you’re watching?

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        I guess so. May I ask where you’re watching it?

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          I’m watching this drama on a less than legal site called myasiantv. Also as misrabbit says, the first minute or so showed how the king came to be there in the first place

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            I tried myasiantv as well, but the episode did not continue wherethe previous one left off. I figured out, however, that the episode was uploaded backwards. So I played started from the middle of the video to the end, then went to the beginning. How come I see it differently on the same website you used? LOL

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            Whoa that’s so strange! 😂 Maybe they corrected it & I caught it later? I watched it around 4 hours ago.

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            As I was writing to you about my confusion, I was still watching the episode. I’m not sure if we were watching it concurrently. I refreshed multiple times and kept alternating between the websites I normally use. Although I eventually watched the episode (in a convoluted way, lol), I still feel like I missed certain things.

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            Whoa now that is so weird. I wonder how myasiantv does things lol

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      They did backtrack a little. The opening scene is where the king’s wounded officer told him about the widow’s village. That’s why he went there and met Nokdu.

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        The episode I watched started with Nokdu, Aengdu, and Dongju warming themselves by the fire. It did not backtrack to the King learning about the widow village. It turns out that the episode was in reverse order, so the end of the video was the beginning of the episode.

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    Don’t know why you are confused. Tonight’s episode started with how everyone ended where they were. Granted, the last couple of episodes have been a little confusing with all the threads they are weaving. But tonight’s episode (#13-14) wove many threads together into a coherent story.
    Where are you watching the show?

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      I was confused because the websites I was using were completely off. It had nothing to do with the plot threads. I figured out that the episode had been uploaded in reverse. I used sites like myasiantv and dramahood.

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        holy cow I have not encountered that before and I watch on daebekdrama when the subs aren’t done on viki. sorry for misunderstanding your confusion!

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          LOL. Weird, right? The problem was fixed by the following morning, at least on one of the websites. Maybe I’ll check out the site you use.

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Today’s work hairstyle: Dutch braid by yours truly, fishtail braid by Peridot’s omma.

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    Wow, such an ultra neat self-dutch-braid!

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      Thanks for the compliment. I never think my braids look neat, so this made my day!
      🙂

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Tale of Nokdu Episodes 11-12 (or full-length episode 6):

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    So you mean to tell me that Nokdu locked lips with future King Injo?

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Hell is Other People Small Observation:

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    I guess that Moon-jo finally received the “union” he was seeking with his chagiya, Jong-woo.

    🙁

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      Could I ask to be spoiled? What happens?

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        Well, things are not so clear cut. I recommend checking out some of @boughtabride‘s posts.

        Moon-jo tells Jong-woo that he can leave the goshiwon alive if he agrees to kill the other residents.

        As the events unfold, we see Moon-jo himself kill Ahjumma and Deuk-jong. Ahjumma kills our resident sex offender. At least, that’s how things appear.

        The ending, however, leads us to believe that Jong-woo actually killed Ahjumma, Deuk-jong, sex offender, and eventually Moon-jo. He does not, however, kill his girlfriend or army junior (we are led to believe that Nambok and Deuk-jong killed the army friend). We see then see the events play out with Jong-woo as the aggressor. The female cop comes to this conclusion after talking with the detectives on the case. She herself was at the scene, but did not actually see who killed whom, as she was partially conscious.

        Before Moon-jo dies, he is elated that Jong-woo has become his perfect creation. He even gifts Jong-woo a bracelet made of the teeth of past victims.

        At the end, Jong-woo’s psche seems to have broken. Visually, we see a back and forth at one point between his face and Moon-jo’s.

        Significantly, the female cop even appears to see the dead dentist. I interpret this to me that she has been effected to some extent by the events that unfolded.

        The dentist seems to have won. And he seems to have merged with Jong-woo.

        This is just a very quick summary. I am writing this at work, so I apologize. It’s much more complicated and reality is hard to distinguish from fiction.

        I do not see Jong-woo as being like Moon-jo at all, but I do believe he reached his final breaking point.

        As I said before, nothing is clear cut.

        And up till the end, Jong-woo still doesn’t receive any care or counseling. He is still isolated.

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          Sorry for the spelling errors.

          I meant “affected to some extent.”

          I am sure there are other errors. Again, I wrote this quickly, without editing.

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          you did a great job! summarizing and also highlighting the contradictions.

          i guess the main question would be: what did moon jo think he achieved. if it was to find someone like him then he failed because jong woo is not the same as him. if it was to drive someone crazy and exploit all their inherent issues (which is what abusers do!) and then go “see! he’s a killer!” they’re two totally different outcomes

          the gosiwon residents and jongwoo/outside world are not on the same playing field. had ji eun been in jongwoo’s spot, she either would have been dead OR been able to withstand until just the end with the final moments. i also dont see how it is physically possible between what happened with the murdering of the tenants and switching back/forth

          for me it’s like….there’s no supernatural element. it’s all from the psyche. but what did moon jo think he achieved? and jong woo also still sees him. i think that means he’s still there actually maybe in a physical sense but more metaphorical. so at this point my conclusion can be that as viewers we have been gaslit in a sense and jong woo definitely has. in fact, gaslighting relies on what people tell you. circular logic and making sure the other person BELIEVES what you’re telling them to be true and what they thought previously was not (i.e. moon jo killed everyone but we are told no it’s actually jong woo) there’s always going to be these lasting prints in jong woo’s mind. hopefully he will get better and if moon jo is dead (even though THAT wouldnt make sense in case of the literal story) the only thing he accomplished was making jong woo so miserable that he couldn’t think

          ur right, nothing is clear cut

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            Yes, exactly what Moon-jo hoped to achieve is not clear. He probably thought he saw a kindred spirit, of sorts, in Jong-woo. But like you said, I do not believe that Jong-woo is the same. Moon-jo said that he did what he did simply because he enjoyed preying on the “weak.” I don’t see Jong-woo being that way. Is he a little troubled? Yes, but that is due to a number of reasons that were never addressed…in fact, they were ignored. I think that Jong-woo could have been treated successfully if his issues had been recognized and addressed (it must be added that he did not acknowledge or addressed his own issues, never mind what others around him failed to do.).

            Jong-woo says things and behaves strangely, but I still believe that he acts and thinks differently from Moon-jo. Even in his fantasies, in which he remarks that he “should have killed,” so and so, it s usually in the context of his feelings toward a bully or cruel figure (such as that disturbed soldier that we see in Jong-woo’s flashbacks).

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          Thanks for this Peridot! I couldn’t watch the show after around ep 3 because I…was too creeped out (I followed the recaps instead), and I can see how Jong-woo must have been driven mad by staying there. Also, I now understand why I couldn’t understand what reviewers were saying about the ending.

          So after reading your & @amara’s views I quickly fast forwarded my way through the last episode, and ufff.

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            That’s completely understandable. It is a creepy show.

            I’m glad that I could help!

            🙂

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The work day is almost over…almost!

#weekendwork #I\’malsoheretomorrowmeaningsunday

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This character from Melanie Martinez’s Musical film, K-12, is so cute. And, of course, she’s adorable too.

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Don’t want August to end, but I am so looking forward to this drama.

🙂

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When the Devil Calls Your Name:

I find it interesting that our devil is tone deaf. This made me think about Hildegard of Bingen’s morality play, The Order of Virtues (or, Ordo Virtutem), composed in the twelfth century. This musical drama details the struggle between the Virtues and the Devil to control the Human Soul (the subject of the drama). I thought about this medieval work because while almost all of the roles in it are musical, the Devil’s is the only non-singing part. This is because Hildegard of Bingen did not believe that the Devil could possibly sing and produce mellifluous notes (I remember learning about this in college). I believe it had something to do with the belief that music was divine in nature. Something like that. I am a little fuzzy on the details.

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    Ohh that’s so interesting! I think I have learned/heard of the belief that music is divine in nature as well, especially from my medieval architecture history class. We talked a lot about the structures of cathedrals, how voices would echo and amplify when the monks sing hymns. It’s been so long and I’m probably just spouting nonsense at this point lols.
    The Devil being tone deaf is such a comic relief detail in this drama. He can bring the dead back to life, but oops, he can’t carry a note.

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    I haven’t had a chance to check this drama out yet, but that’s a really interesting observation. I know the drama supposed to be based on loosely on Faust, something I remember studying at least twice, possibly three times while getting my degree. I’m hazy on the details but there were definitely musical parts in that play as well: I have a very distinct memory of a really obnoxious classmate singing during his group presentation and the whole lecture hall trying to keep a straight face – it was so awkward. He stood up on a table. I’m cringing just remembering this and it’s been a decade at least.

    I digress. Anyway, I guess I’m saying I’d not be surprised if there were other medieval influences as well – Faust itself drew from many sources, including morality plays. There are a lot of interesting questions of morality and the soul to be mined from the literature of the medieval period and early Elizabethan times because the of the deeply religious undercurrents and I’m fascinated by how they get reinterpreted in the modern day.

    But music being divine in nature is a fascinating contrast – especially if one sells their soul to make it. It would lead to the question of whether one can make something that is divine if they are damned? Anyway, I’m probably getting too analytical of something I haven’t even had a chance to watch yet. But I love your insight, and I love seeing the influences literature has on dramas.

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      Thanks for sharing this bit of background. I confess to not having read Goethe’s Faust, but I do know the basic plot. I will have to read it one day.

      I hope I am not getting the detail about music being divine in nature wrong. I do remember specifically that Hildegard deliberately made the devil’s role a non-singing one. If anything, she didn’t believe that the devil was capable of singing.

      “..whether one can make something that is divine if they are damned?”

      Good question. There is also the idea that music can be corrupting if it incites the wrong kind of feelings in an individual. I guess music can be both divine and not so divine. Maybe after you watch the episodes, you could come back to this thread and share some more of your thoughts.

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    “music was divine in nature”

    Except for the noise coming from the boom box in the car next to me at the stop light.

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A brief conversation with my chiropractor right before my adjustment went something like this :

I am about to position myself on the reclining adjustment chair:

Chiropractor: Can I see your eyes?
I look in his direction.
Chiropractor: So, your one of those people.
Me: You mean, dry-eye people (‘Cause I suffer from dry eyes and my eyes were on the reddish/irritated side this morning)?
Chiropractor: Green-eyed people.
Me: [laughs] Oh. Actually, my eyes are blue. Well, they were bluer when I was younger, but they’re almost a greenish-blue now.

The conversation continues a bit more. Interestingly, my chiropractor never even noticed that I have light eyes, and I’ve been going to his office for about two years. LOL. This is not the first time people have reacted to my eye color after having known me for quite a while. Maybe they can’t see the color because of the glasses I wear for my myopia and mild astigmatism.

This was not a post of importance; I just felt like sharing this with you, my fellow Beanies! 

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    I’m the same. I was working with people like for 5 years and when I put some lenses they were like “Oh, your eyes are so pretty! Were they always like that?”. No I had a cornea donnor recently.

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      LOL

      What color are your eyes?

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        They were blue Gray but now there are quite light blueish ones. They change regularly, depends on the mood and they’re getting older as well.

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    I relate to this so much! Recently I was talking to an old woman who has been my neighbor for 30+ years. She is old and bent and I usually talk to her while standing, and it so happened that this time I was sitting down lower than and very near her seat and I was dumbfounded to see the bluish green color of her eyes! I was so startled that I stopped talking for a bit because I thought I had mistaken somebody else for her!

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Decided to share a drawing from Yours Truly on my fanwall. For privacy, I cropped my name from the drawing.

This piece is titled, “Sisters.”

@scifiwritir, here is one of my drawings.

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Just a quick comment/spoiler regarding the end of Save Me Season Two:

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    lol.. ya.. it was happening at the same time 😛

    i love that ending

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      Well, here is what I think:

      the ending of season one would coincide with the three year time jump of season two, where we see Apostle Jo being taken to the police station after his arrest (at the end of season one). But the early events of season one probably took place around the same time as the main events of season two. The climax of season one would have taken place three years after Elder Choi’s and Pastor Song’s deaths in season two.

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        oh howdid pastor die? i missed that..
        but i want our ML in a romantic drama :P..preferably with the same lady as in this drama who “likd” him

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          The Pastor burns in the Church fire. Realistically, I would have expected to hear a lot of screaming. He is quickly engulfed by the flames, and that’s all we see.

          I am glad that Uhm Tae-goo got a leading part in a drama. While he is a good actor, I don’t know that he would be cast as a lead in a romantic drama. He doesn’t seem to fit the standards for romantic leads in television shows. But who knows? Maybe things will change.

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    I was wondering if there would be some reference to the first season and we got it in the form of Apostle Jo. But I can’t help but wonder about the timeline. Season 1 started in 2014 (I briefly looked at the recap of episode one) and ended about a couple of years later, right? The ending of the Second Season implies that its events occurred before those of the first. The ending of season two takes place three years after Elder Choi and the pastor have died. I don’t know what I’m trying to say. LOL! I guess it could make sense. Maybe the beginning of season one takes place shortly after the main events of season two (i.e. prior to the time skip at the end of season two)? I guess I was wondering if there were any anachronisms, which I notice in a lot of kdramas that have flashbacks to earlier times. Season two was made in 2019, but its events are supposed to go back more than a few years if it is to predate the first season.

    I was kind of expecting a different reference to the first season. The cult of season one never truly died. It had an offshoot led by Apostle Kang. And of course, Sangmi’s father was part of smaller group still supporting the dead cult leader. Perhaps season two could have referenced those vestiges of the fallen cult.

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      Did we have exact dates in season 2? I can’t recall one.
      Season 1’s time period: 2014(high school) – 2017(main events)

      So season 2 should be: 2014(resolution) – 2017(epilogue)

      Chil Sung meeting either Sangmi’s father or Apostle Kang would’ve been better than Apostle Jo. I thought someone would say they look alike haha.

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        I was almost okay with the timeline until I remembered Elder Choi’s BTS UN speech reference. Their speech took place in September 2018, right? Also, the drama is set in the late Spring/early Summer (I know that this is a live shoot and all, but there are ways to make it look like you are filming during a different season). So the ending of the main events of season two is probably around 2019. We then have a three-years-later epilogue. So we are in 2021.

        The main events of season one take place in 2017. I believe the year is mentioned in the show itself. The recap of Season One, episode four, gives us the time jump to 2017. Season one starts in 2014, has a time jump to 2017, and then gives us a vague time skip at the end.

        So, this shows that season one’s end could not have taken place after season two’s time jump. This was a mistake on the part of season two’s writers. The BTS reference seals the deal in my opinion.

        🙂

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          “So the ending of the main events of season two is probably around 2019. We then have a three-years-later epilogue. So we are in 2021.”

          Oops, I meant we are in 2022 (or even 2021, depending on whether we are still in late 2018 or mid 2019 when the main events take place. I am using the BTS reference as a time guide).

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            Your deduction sounds right with the BTS reference 😮 They almost go us if it wasn’t for that detail.

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            hmm.. then they could be hinting at season 3 where apostl jo is back to scamming people and landed back in jail 😛

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            @alasecond

            While I wouldn’t mind another creepy season, I don’t think that Apostle Jo’s cameo means that he is up for another round of evil. He is dressed the same way that he was before being arrested in season one. He even has some bruising, although he had a lot more bruising and blood at the end of season one (I don’t know if the production teams are different for both seasons, but I wonder how carefully they looked at the previous season for consistency). And I am sure he was arrested on multiple charges, including murder and sexual assault/rape. I wouldn’t expect him to be getting out any time soon (one would hope).

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            i know!.. it hints at season 1..

            i just said that in response to all BTS timeline conversation.. i wouldn’t care too much about bts bit

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Got excited when I saw a teen in the library reading a recap of Nokdu Flower on, you guessed it, Dramabeans. Being a teenager, she probably didn\’t appreciate my intrusion into her space. LOL

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Some thoughts/ramblings regarding recent episodes of Nokdu Flower:

The paths the brothers are taking are diverging more and more. We are responsible for the choices we make and we can choose how to respond to different situations. We are not blameless. But still, circumstances and the behavior of others seem to conspire against us.

I can’t deny that it is easier to turn toward anger and resentment. While I believe that deep down, Yi-hyun still has his heart in the right place (yes, even at this point in the story), he is walking a dangerous path. I only wish that he had not bottled up his resentment and kept his feelings to himself. His older brother, Yi-Kang, was able to overcome his dark alter ego because he was not alone. He was embraced by his new band of brothers and he escaped a toxic environment. If only Yi-kang had been there for his younger brother. I know that he has his own calling, but he has not been around to be a positive force in his Yi-hyun’s life. This isolation, compounded by the betrayal of his mentor, living in the household of corrupt father, and the trauma of having killed people, have made it easier for Yi-hyun to be attracted to a darker path.

Yi-hyun should take his Japanese acquaintance’s (I’m sorry, but I can’t remember the character’s name) words with caution. Yes, the old aristocracy would be very unwilling to break with the status quo, but it does not mean that the wealthy, educated revolutionaries would necessarily behave any differently once they achieved their ends. They most likely would become the new elite, unwilling to change the new status quo. People are people.
As I said before, Yi-hyun’s heart might still be in the right place regarding the future of Joseon, but he is walking a tightrope.

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Save Me 2:

Min-cheol finally got a wake-up call.

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Glad I made the decision to continue watching Nokdu Flower. I\’m all caught up now. 🙂

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I\’ve fallen behind on Nokdu Flower due to many things, and I\’m not sure whether to continue. I\’m also not the type to marathon shows. Right now, I am only watching Save Me 2.

#indecisive #sadface

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Sanjay Leela Bhansali’s films are usually a visual treat, but I’m particularly taken with Padmavati. I especially love the clothing for the men. I also love the chemistry between our leads.

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    The leads ended up marrying so the chemistry was also very real!

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      I actually meant the chemistry between Shahid Kapoor and Deepika Padukone. Deepika and Ranveer didn’t actually have any scenes together in Padmavati. But I agree about the latter’s chemistry. They worked well together in Ram Leela and Bajirao Mastani.

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I\’m kind of getting an Apostle-Paul-redemption-vibe for the character of Bae Yi-kang in Nokdu Flower. Admittedly, this is not a perfect comparison, as the former came from among the elite class, but there is the common thread of former oppressor becoming a champion of those whom he had oppressed. (Baek Yi-Kang is more of the brute force acting on the orders of the establishment, but he is still no friend of the people at this point, although I believe it is due to his own identity issues.) I know that I could have picked a better example for comparison purposes, but this one just came into my head. LOL

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    It’s fitting since this is very much related to religious beliefs.
    I see the same thing in relation to Paul. He was going from house to house persecuting the church and it’s followers until he was struck blind. That experience led to his conversion.
    Yi-Kang is probably on the “struck blind state” being caught and almost hung to death by the people. It’ll probably take a little while before he joined them.

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      Yes, it will take some time. I like how you put it. That he is in the “‘struck blind state.'”

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    Ooh, I like that comparison. I also think of Lee Kang-to from Gaksital, though he held onto his former identity as a disguise as long as he could — whereas with Yi-kang the “oppressor” identity has been forcibly and publicly “killed” and a new identity given. So more similar to Paul being struck blind, like @kiara said.

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      Thank you. Yes, there is definitely similarities there as well. I just hope that younger brother will not end up pulling a Shunji on us.

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        Oh no, I hope not. I can already guess that these two will wreck me, but Shunji was on another level.

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A few days ago I watched the Japanese film, Sweet Bean. The basic plot is simple, but this was such a beautiful-made and touching film. The story follows two individuals who have been isolated from society (for one reason or another) and shows how they are brought together through food, in this case, the red-bean-paste filling of dorayaki pastries. There is a third character, whose life is also changed. I won’t give away any more of the plot in case any Beanies are interested.

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