Beanie level: Chaebol’s poor doppelganger

It’s so rare for one great dramatic actor to be also equally great or even believable at comedy! Typically they are over-dramatic or even unlivable sometime! Exceptions are some well-experienced seasoned actors such as Meryl Streep or Robert DeNiro (Korean actors come to my mind are Lee Moon-Sik, Lee Byung-hun, Cho Seung-woo, Yoo Jae-myung). Natural comic timing is not something that’s easily teachable/ or earned by academic lessons.
We see A LOT OF over-dramatic acting in Korean Dramas, especially in rom-com genre, for example all characters in What’s Wrong With Secretary Kim were over-the-top (not necessarily in a bad way, or maybe over dramatic is a k-drama charm!)! Whether this acting style is more of a cultural norm or director’s preference or simply not-very-good acting, I’m not quite sure. I just learned one thing: it’s really easy to go over the top specially with comedy, and the most crucial elements that helps with keeping the wacky humor in balance is a GOOD DIRECTOR. Sometimes rookie actors who have zero acting experience are less over-dramatic (they might not even know how to act dramatic and just controlled by the director), hence they’re easier to watch.
After about 15 years of watching K-dramas, I’m used to watching over-the-top acting that sometime I’m not noticing it so much (unless I’m watching it with someone new to k-drama land). I also saw so many evolution and k-dramas certainly moved toward more subtle acting (one examples is Forest of Secret/Stranger), but I have not seen so much progress in rom-com department acting yet.

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    But perhaps for South Koreans, actors from your part of the world are under-acting? 😀 Kidding. I enjoy the Korean drama version of acting, even overacting, because very often the character calls for it. Everything is exaggerated, but it gets the point across.

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    When I watched Stranger, I thought to myself, if required/asked/directed to, many Korean actors can act. It was a revelation to be sure.

    Your comment about rookie actors got me thinking about Lee Jun Ho in Chief Kim. He was brilliant there imo.

    Lastly, you comment about comedic timing can’t be taught and this post in general reminded me that I’ve been meaning to post a few of the Hollywood Reporter’s Roundtable. I think it provides for some good conversation/discussion.

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    One great dramatic actor to be equally great in comedy? Sounds like Shin Sung Rok to me. Hehe. Especially after his first romcom lead in Perfume as Yi Do.

    He can be dramatic, emotional, wacky, funny and all sorts of emotions in between without overdoing or overacting. His musical background might have a hand in polishing his acting chops. He is still underated though.

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    You need to watch Seo In Guk!

    Haha, I know why and who you’re actually taking about. I’m enjoying his role despite what others say. Even his partner praised him for delivering some unexpected reactions. He’s too young to be perfect in everything. Have to leave room for improvement. Yet, humbly accept some criticism.

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      Actually I watched most of SIG’s drama and I think he’s quite subtle actor and haven’t seen hin overact… I liked his comedic moments in Shopping King Louis (though the drama got boring on the 2nd half)… however I always wonder why Korean are not so fond of him (or maybe it’s only my impression)!! Is it because he doesn’t over-act??!!
      I was not criticizing any specific actor rather saying over-actings (or over-the-top comedic moments) are more of directing style/ Korean style rather than bad acting skills…

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        Koreans were fond of SIG and do acknowledge his acting skills. He’s just plagued by military issues.

        I know. Sometimes directors want the over the top acting because they want a certain impression. Normally you can tell by the visual tone of the drama itself. The more vivid the screen is, the more expressive they want the actors.

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    Nokdu Flower. An incredible lesson in non over-acting, both comedically and dramatically. It is simply perfect.

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Every single scene is like a beautiful painting

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    Dear, may I ask a question?
    I just saw your username and seeing the word “Persian” caught my attention. Are you Persian? Or it’s just a username you chose based on personal reasons? ^^

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Mr. Sunshine Ep6
I like how poetic is this drama… I don’t really care about the historical aspect or accuracy as far as this drama keeps its poetic & artful storytelling… LBH is THE BEST k-actor

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Hey Beanies! Who’s your ultimate kkonminam?! You can share a photo if you like!
Since the mid-2000s, the term kkonminam (Hangul: 꽃미남; Hanja: 꽃美男; listen kkot/n [꽃] = flower, minam [미남] = handsome man) has been commonly used in South Korea to refer to young men with a great sense of personal style and fashion!

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\”Life is like a dream. Right and wrong. Love and hate. They all get buried with the passing of time and leave quietly with no trace.\” Still crying, watching this scene 😭 😭 😭

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1- Apparently there was this real incident where serial murderer killed many women and was never caught. That’s why Gap Dong, Tunnel, Signal go in that time when there was a mysterious murderer! But how many Korean dramas need to go to that timeline with exact same story: A mysterious man who kills woman! Can they be more creative?!
2- Why crime time-travel k-dramas often have the worst male actor! It was so hard to endure Lee Je-Hoon constipated acting in Signal! But I thought Jung kyoung Ho is at least a better actor!!
3- LOM rating: 3/10

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    Agree, his acting is glaringly bad, specially because he’s performing beside a really good veteran actor!!

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    Korean dramas are at a point where they’re no longer original. Someone needs to regulate these dramas, so they don’t overdo time slip!!

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    I’m not as frustrated, because I haven’t watched either Gap Dong, Tunnel, or Signal. But I agree that JKH acting is medicored!

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    Most novels I read always states the serial killer kils females.. So far I have read novels with muderers name like: the female suitcase killer, the cleric muderer and many more. But it is always the females that gets killed. It is very rare to find for males but there is an indian film 7 khoon maaf, the lead female character killed all her 7 husbands..

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      Two of my favorite female serial killer ‘characters’ are:
      1- Hannah McKay portrayed by Yvonne Strahovski in Dexter
      2- Martha Jule Beck portrayed by Salma Hayek in Lonely Heart (2006 movie)
      They can easily write different serial killers if they are not too lazy, but 99% of K-drama serial killers are copycat of the others.

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    Well, this is a remake of a British show…which had a serial killer…so…

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      At least the original was set in 1973 which is more than a decade time-difference with Korean time slip crime dramas… I understand that ’20’ yr time slip and ‘1988’ is the Golden Time all the k-writers are going for, but I found too much similarity between this and the previous ones give this show almost no originality…

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        The show has to be set in the 80s due to the lead actors age. He wasn’t born in 1973. So in order to make the family angle work it needs to be set relatively when it is. ’88 is just a very popular time as many things happened historically that year. The original was also set within the lifetime of the lead.

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        I understand what you mean @persianrose there is always same late/early 80s/90s elements: plenty of smoke and booze and paperwork and many characters wearing leather jackets and riding several old cars and mini-vans, + a foul-mouthed cop, etc… Imagine if they picked older actors and set the story in 70s, it could have offered unique opportunities with a large dose of culture shock… but they set everything in 88 which has been used quite a lot in recent years…

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        I’m really enjoying it but I haven’t seen another version.

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LL wrap-up party 💗

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Mubeop Byeonhosa you rock 💗💗💗

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Will be Back

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    “Scarlet Heart: Ryeo”, while not being the best drama or adaptation (but the drama still holds a special place in my heart, regardless of its flaws ❣️), it has one of the best OST playlists of all time 😘😘😘😘😘😘😘

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      Looking at this video (and so many other fan-made videos), I believe a good editor could have made this drama the best drama of all time… Too bad the editing team were too drunk when they were working on this drama!!
      And yes, it has one of the best OST playlists of all time!

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      Agree that it’s one of the better drama OSTs of recent years. I dropped the show but I still listen to the soundtrack!

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A post from a smart beanie (@fatcat007) inspired me to ask you this question: Which k-drama ‘Mandatory Tropes’ annoys you the most! I know that we’re all frustrated of Nobel Idiocy, Truck of Doom, Accidental Kiss, but is there anything besides those obvious ones that makes you infuriated?!

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    We were talking about tropes on another (by now very-long) thread and I have a deep-felt hatred for pulling drips out of veins to show how urgently a character needs to get out of the hospital.

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      Lol: “A hospital stay should always involve having an IV attached to the patient (so they can Pull the I.V.), and a humidifier by the patient’s head.”

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    When the writer doesn’t make our characters (especially the OTP) communicate and talk and use that as a plot device for the sake of it being a plot device and not character or plot development

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    amnesia ? sorry I don’t recall the others pwahaha x)

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    Wrist-grabs, wrist-grabs, wrist-grabs. I’ll never not feel annoyed when I see them. They seemed to be disappearing with some great dramas in the last year or so, but I see them emerging again…

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    I don’t know exactly why some plot devices have used so often in K-dramas that they almost look like a ‘mandatory trope’, but I personally find ‘love rival’ the most annoying and unrealistic one… It’s like men always need to get extremely jealous before starting to like someone… this trope gets even more annoying when the love rival is their brother or their closest friend…

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    The jerk or semi-jerk male leads or even villains who have been starved of love because they have a “Dark Past” or “Abusive Parents/ Sibling”.

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      Looking at this list, I found Mr. Fanservice too overused as well! “In order for a guy to qualify as Mr Fanservice, just being attractive isn’t enough. He needs to be shown in scenes intended as fanservice for girls…”. “He needs to be subjected to at least one Shirtless Scene.” As much as I’m sick and annoyed of seeing naked women on HBO and Showtime, I’m tired of naked men in k-dramas too…

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        IKR, it annoys me too! But can a drama get good rating without Mr. Fanservice an/or Charmer?!

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    Oh thank you Rose ^^ 🌹
    I might as well answer your question too.
    Although there are lots of tropes that I dislike, there is this ONE thing that irks me just too much. And it’s not limited to k-drama. No. I see it everywhere.
    And that is…. more than one minutof eye-to-eye contact of the leads.
    I just don’t know how one can silently look into another person’s eyes for what feels like eternity (usually happens after the “accidental” skinship), & that happens in the early stages of falling in love.
    Even watching them makes me cringe & I just fast forward because it feels very awkward to me.

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      Wow, I feel you friend! It’s such a classic trope and one of the most ridiculous and cringy one!

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    IKR, isn’t it so annoying?! How can someone romance the first and second male leads indecisively and call it LOVE?

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    Second leads that refuse to accept the lead’s different preference. Once that girl (usually) says no, leave her alone. Just because you think your better for her doesn’t mean you actually are.
    Especially bad/irritating when the second lead has no comprehension of the real sides of the lead.

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      Haha, obsessive love rivals are the most annoying ones!

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        I mean, seriously, there are ways to respectfully pursue a romantic partner that you’re not sure of or who has said no; things that keep the door open but respect the decision.
        Be like Eric Cho from My Husband Oh Jak Doo, or RiOn from Kill Me, Heal Me.

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          I LOVED Eric Cho!! He (and OJD himself) were the main reason I did not drop MHOJD in the earlier episodes… But Oh Ri-on was still an annoying character in my book! I mean how can you develop a romantic feeling for someone who is like your twin sister?! Why the k-drama writers always need a love rival, in the most unconventional way!?

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            Annoying in that sense, yes, but good in how he stepped the heck off and supported her in her romance.
            Love rivals could actually be another hated trope of mine …. How often does someone have two people vying for their affections anyway????

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        The crazy bitch second female lead earns my deepest disdain. Extra points if they’re ex-girlfriends.

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    This one’s not so bad, but it makes me roll my eyes every time I see it: that overused multiple-angles camera shot of characters passing each other on the street/car, etc without seeing one another. 🙄

    I also really really hate the amnesia trope.

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    1: Bumping into someone to make them drop things.

    2: Being nosy and going thru somebody’s stuff.

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    Overall, love triangles frustrate me the most (except for Eric Cho, who’s #secondleadgoals).

    Runner-ups:

    #1. The relationship montage.

    #2. The flashback of something that just happened. (Which Beanie pointed this out last week?)

    #3. The multiple views and angles of a slow-motion skinship moment (kiss, embrace, accidental fall on the lips).

    #4. “Innocent”characters in their 30’s. (And they’re not ace—they’ve just been living in their childhood bedrooms for the past 35 years.)

    #5. Post-coital-girl-wears-the-boy’s (giant) dress shirt. Recent example: Hwayugi‘s Seon-mi wearing Son Oh-gong’s shirt like a dress. It was huge.

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      I recognize that some of the items on my list are more critiques of K-drama production styles rather than classic “tropes.”

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      Love triangles are the most annoying for me too! That’s why I really appreciate the dramas that completely eliminate the love triangles and love rivals, or at least make it more creative (Eric Cho)

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        Eric Cho was such a sweetie. My re-edit of My Husband Oh Jak Doo would give him a proper love line (and dump the horrid siblings). 😉

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      Character in their 30s who never date or kissed someone is more than frustrating! It’s like dramas want to say being a clueless virgin is so attractive!!! This trope is totally against human nature…

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    @pakalanapikake we were discussing some mandatory tropes under this post as well 😉

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    Stomach growls.

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    That would have to be the amnesia plot devise. Dont get me wrong. I am a huge Goblin fan and in that case it worked because the actors were so good. I’m just saying there is an awfull lot of amnesia going around.

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So adorable!!

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While I was so happy that K-drama writers have started to show Sexual Harassment as an offensive act that should not be tolerated by women, it surprises me how a bunch of new popular k-dramas are starting to recycle outdated tropes: wrist grabbing, surprised kisses (with wide-open eyes heroine), sexual discrimination, stalker-like and controlling behavior, extreme jealousy, drastic lack of emotional intelligence, etc. And thus, the romanticization of the culture of violence continues, because female audiences find these cute rather than creepy!! It makes me really frightened to see these dramas are also highly followed by young teenagers!! I sincerely wish all of us to take a moment to think about the implications of glorification of violence in Media.

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    I can never brain how some female fans considered forced kiss as hot and being excited about it. Maybe in real life, they like it? sigh.

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      Forced kisses in RL (and not-RL) are never sexy, they are terrifying. A surprise kiss, IF there has been prior flirting and lead up, can be sexy, but all cues, verbal and non-verbal must be carefully read and reacted to appropriately.

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        I personally don’t like to be suprised like that! Even if I am in a flirting stage with someone, I want him to ask me respectfully rather than kissing or grabbing me by suprise… it would me intimidating as hell in RL

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        Surprise kiss depends on the mood, sometimes it can be exciting in situations just like you said, sometimes it’s not. But it will be a pleasant memory if both parties are mutually agreed to do it, in my opinion. The great way to start any intimate kiss is by soft and quick kiss first – things that at times kdrama failed to do so and made some viewers include myself are unable to enjoy it.

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          I agree. I HATE are the ones where she’s actively trying to get away and he holds her head in place, I’ve seen those in some earlier dramas and I get queasy just looking at it.

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            I don’t like when man is using his strength to force the kiss especially when the woman is not up for it. I do think nowadays some drama started to give better kind of kiss scenes – for example Temperature of Love was meh but I love when the male lead told the female lead he wants to kiss her and if she refused, she can turn away, similarly in That Man Oh Soo the male lead asked the the female lead to kiss him first – my understanding is he indirectly asked her consent first. There are some other drama too but I can’t think of them right now. Sometimes drama are meh overall, but this kind of scenes left a good impression. I love romance and romantic scenes but only the ones which done right.

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            @seralovestteobokki The recent dramas which illustrate consent are marvelous, and hopefully we will continue to see more, and they will influence viewers both young and old. Consent is romantic and sexy.

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    Thank you for this brilliant comment @egads: “Consent is romantic and sexy” + it promotes mutual respect and equality!

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    Amen to that

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Please do not separate this couple writer-nim!!

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They are so competent

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Though Lee started out as a ‘Flower Boy’ he continued to take on challenging roles no matter the genre or character. Here are the career-defining roles that Lee Joon-gi has played, and which have helped him leave an indelible impression on many viewers.
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▲ “Lee Joon Gi Phenomenon” … “KING AND THE CLOWN”
His presence was a refreshing change and shock to moviegoers then. Having amassed enormous word-of-mouth buzz, “King and the Clown” drew over 10 million moviegoers and earned Lee Joon-gi the nickname ’10-million-audience actor.”
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▲ Continuing Success on the Small Screen … “MY GIRL”
Joon-gi’s small-screen success following “King and the Clown” solidified the actor’s position as the hottest rising star.
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▲ Even beverage drink CF “Beautiful Women Love Pomegranate” was a megahit
According to sources, this pomegranate drink he endorsed reached 10 billion won in sales in the shortest amount of time among the new beverage products available then.
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▲ Shedding ‘Man More Beautiful than Woman’ Image through “TIME BETWEEN DOG AND WOLF”

However, through “Time between Dog and Wolf,” Lee definitely proved his potential as an ‘actor’ with consistently good acting skills, rather than a mere ‘star.’
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▲ Achieving both High Ratings and Social Buzz, “ILJIMAE”
Lee Joon-gi showed off a variety of action performances. Its solidly written story and the cast’s great performances earned the drama high ratings that hit a peak of around 30%. It achieved both high ratings and social buzz.
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▲ Returning from Military Service, “TWO WEEKS”
Joon-gi performed his own stunts without a stunt double, demonstrating his passion for acting and the character.
. ▲ Adding Another Career-defining Role … “LAWLESS LAWYER”
Sang-pil is a character equipped with charmingly contradictory traits, such as level-headed analytical skills, charisma, self-confidence, and cunning. Having played many characters through various works, Lee Joon-gi is now demonstrating his unique appeal as an actor.

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I never thought CMS ajusshi would steal this show from LJK, but he certainly did @ episode 10. I think CMS and LJG fighting scene will become a Donnie Brasco kdrama classic… the fighting of two enemies against their mutual enemies was so epic… Thank you PD-nim and Writer-nim for such a great treat

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    Choi Min Soo is legend.

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      I remember Choi Jae-Sung and Sung Ji-Ru had also such interesting characters in Time Between Dog and Wolf (I mean this PD has a way of make these ajusshi shine), but Choi Min Soo ajusshi really killed it here, I cannot decide if i HATE or LOVE AOJ, CMS is truly a legend

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My most favourite episode by far 👌

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