Beanie level: Errand boy

Another special episode, like you guys asked for! This is a special edition of WHAT’S UP IN DRAMALAND where we spend the whole ep discussing the Burning Sun scandal. And who better to bring it to you but your very own beanies?

Your favourite k-pop fans, @LollyPip and @greenfields (aka Rimi) round out our panel dissecting our feelings about the case. We talk about its implications for us as fans, as well as the broader culture and systems that support violence against women. Finally, we move on to talking about dramas, first in how quickly Burning Sun allusions start popping up in current, and second, shows that have had storylines disturbingly similar to the horrible real-life stories of abuse and exploitation.

Basically, the tl;dr version:
1) It’s a bad time to be a 2nd-gen kpop fan
2) It’s always a bad time to be a woman
3) It’s nearly always a good time to watch dramas

I think those were our main take-aways XD *wipes brow*

(As always, let us know your thoughts. We’re trying a lot of new things out here and your feedback helps us to figure out what we’re doing okay and what we need to work on.)

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    (The dramas section starts at around 52 minutes-ish, in case it helps)

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      also damn, missed the bestest opportunity ever to say ‘sometimes it’s hard to be a woman’ XD

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    Thank you!

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Hello friends!

You asked for more themed episodes! We’re working on it! This is our first ever collab, and it’s one that’s really special and personal to us, especially in the wake of the Christchurch massacre in NZ.

We sit down with the creators of the Riz Test (like the Bechdel test but for Muslim rep) and talk about it in the context of k-ent, as well as the historical presence of Muslims in Korea, and how media rep affects our experiences of daily life.

We’d really love your feedback on this one, and as always, we’re open to ideas and suggestions for other ways to expand the kdrama conversation. Tell us what you think!

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A slightly (um okay a lot) later Long Yak than usual (poor @festerfaster, our superhero editor, was knocked out with an ear infection ;_;). Hopefully you’ll find it was still worth the wait! I had no idea it ran this long but I just listened to it and it felt like it went by pretty fast!

TIME STAMPS:
00:01:46 – Romance is a Bonus Book
00:33:52 – Touch Your Heart/Reach of Sincerity
00:49:31 – Crowned Clown
00:58:44 – My Strange Hero
01:05:31 – The Last Empress (wrap up!)
01:25:35 – Orange Marmalade
01:28:09 – 1N2D*
NON KOREAN STUFF –
01:34:51 – Isn’t It Romantic
01:39:54 – 12 Monkeys
01:41:45 – Zindagi Gulzar Hai

Amazing Patrons who support us:
@egads, Steven Blackmore, Lia W., @KimbapNoona, @hades, Gracefulegg, Divina and special welcome to latest addition to patreon family, @jenmole!

Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers
Email: [email protected]
Twitter: https://twitter.com/dramasoverflow

* Just a note that this was recorded before the Burning Sun story broke, so I guess think of it as a time capsule podcast XD

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    I love long podcasts–well, within reason long podcasts! I’ll be looking out for the ep when it’s uploaded to YouTube.

    Ear infections are rough, especially when it hits you hard in the head and your balance. Hope you’ve recovered and feeling better @festerfaster.

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      I forgot to say, it’s cool that you guys are covering non-k-dramas as well.

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        Thanks for that. I was a little worried that the digression wouldn’t work for our listeners. =)

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          I watch Non-Korean dramas as well. It’s part of a healthy TV-diet, so I would be interested to know what’s good out there. That’s just me though. FYI, at least three of your other Patrons–@kimbapnoona, @jenmole, and I–watch C-Dramas. 😉

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            Haha! We (read: I) always want to cover at least one or two (or ten) things we’re watching outside of kdrama, but the biggest factor that keeps us from doing it often is time constraints! We block out a certain period for the recording but we aaaalllwwwwaaayss go hours over! (haha sob)

            The other thing is that sometimes we worry about digressing too far from what we’ve promised, so if we have a really meaty digression about something else, it’ll probably find its way into the outtakes. (Look out for some new ones soon – they’re coming, just as soon as I stop being sick!)

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            (a) stop being sick. 🙃
            (b) I get where you’re coming from with digressing. Makes sense.

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          I love to hear Paroma talk about c-dramas. She’s so passionate about them.

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    I’m so happy I’ll have company while I make dinner. Thank you.

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Hi everyone! I\’m looking for some podcast feedback — so far we\’ve been experimenting without asking the audience. We already cover a certain amount of ground between Long Yaks and What\’s Up (airing shows, industry news, previewing upcoming shows), and we\’ve got transcripts of the former (thanks to our wonderful volunteer-transcriber kdramadaydreamer). Is there anything that we\’re missing that\’s worth covering?

We\’ve got some thoughts and ideas of our own, about new stuff we want to try, but I want to know what *you* guys want to hear, and what kind of format is most appealing, whether you want to see more guests, what other topics are you interested in us covering, and so on.

Really want to hear your thoughts – please share!

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    I LOVE you guys. 😁
    For thoughts – I’d love hear some thematic episodes like the “Men Behaving Badly” special, which remains my favorite Dramas Over Flowers episode.

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      I second this. Thematic episodes are fun.

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      I third the thematic episodes. Like greenfields, Men Behaving Badly is a favorite. The themes don’t need to be heavy, but you all bring such interesting and insightful thoughts when you drill into details. Maybe even devoting an entire episode to really dissecting one drama. Talk about Korean films?

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      Agree. If you could do a part 2, especially now with the issues surrounding Seungri/Burning Sun and SOPA.

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      I’m beginning to think that the Jung Joon Young + Seungri scandal might be a interesting topic to cover. There is a lot to unpack there.

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        Definitely right? Maybe from the pov of fans – not just the usual hallyu channels.

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          Definitely. They will need to try to get the most accurate reporting possible though to avoid any problems.

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    I agree with what @Greenfields said about the thematic episodes, I really enjoy those too.

    What I would find very interesting is to explore the difference between international viewers and local viewers. Why are certain dramas hugely popular on DB that had terrible viewing ratings? INAR is one that comes to mind.

    But if I think back at old DB podcasts that I liked, the ones where they snarked about terrible dramas were the ones that made me laugh the most. So if you guys want to have a monthly snarking session, I would happily listen to that.

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      Ah, we miss those episodes too. I don’t think our snark can quite match up to their level, but that’s basically what the Long Yak is at this point. XD But thanks for the idea. We enjoy doing thematic episodes too, and int vs local viewers is something we definitely want to explore.

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      I don’t know if I’m capable of high-grade snark – I peak at lowbrow humour and so-bad-they’re-good puns! I miss the old DB podcasts too. I still re-listen to them sometimes. I feel like we started this one to plug the gap for ourselves.

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        As the new editorial tone of this site seems to be Relentlessly Optimistic, I have snark-shaped hole in my life that I thought you guys could fill. But penguin jokes are good too

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    Guests can provide for interesting conversations.

    Is there anyway that you guys can timestamp the Long Yaks/ongoing show recaps like on YouTube. I click it and skip stuff I’m not watching or haven’t watched yet? If it’s already available, sry.

    As @greenfields and others indicated, your specials thus far were good. Would love to see more.

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      not specials but thematic episodes, my bad.

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      Hey @hades! So, the time stamps are always available in the description of any podcast app you use (or on YouTube). But when @saya or I post here, we forego the timestamps because in our head they’re already available in so many places, we assume people don’t want it shown yet again. But we’ll include it from here on. If not on the main fanwall post, then in the comment underneath it!
      Thanks for the feedback!!

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Okay guys, time for something newewewewewwww!!

If you’ve been following our monthly Long Yak, you might have noticed that our last few have been really way too long, and even we got exhausted doing them. We realised we were trying to cram too much into a single episode and ended up just trying to rush it all to fit it into a reasonable time, but still kept crossing the 2-hour mark – and 2 hours is faaar too long to ask someone to hang around for. Unbelievably, it’s been a whole year of Yaks, so there’s no better moment than now to introduce a second monthly episode: What’s Up in Dramaland?

In this segment, we’ll talk industry news and general k-ent fun, and wrap up with a look forward at the new dramas premiering this month.

It’s a short and snappy episode, I really hope you guys enjoy it! Tell us what you think and as always, we love feedback and are open to suggestions and ideas. It’s your support that’s made it possible for us to come this far, and all three of us (@festerfaster, @laica and I) are so grateful to this amazing community <333

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You know what your Friday needs? A LONG YAK.

@laica, @festerfaster and I discuss:
– CROWNED CLOWN
– SKY CASTLE
– LAST EMPRESS
– MY STRANGE HERO
– BOYFRIEND
– TOP STAR YOO BAEK
– MEMORIES OF THE ALHAMBRA
– RED MOON, BLUE SUN
– MASTER OF STUDY (2010)

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    Is there a reason these can’t be posted as DB posts/podcasts?

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      This is an independent project by the three of us, not affiliated to DB in any way! (Feel free to spread the word and tell your friends to listen! We would sarang that very much <3)

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        I know it is independent. It is just that I always think it would have been a great addition to DB posts. Thanks.

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    can’t wait :).

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ughlfhlfkdfljss spitting furious about MoA !!!21213

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New year, new dramas, new Long Yak! @festerfaster, @laica and I catch up with each other about:
– MY STRANGE HERO
– BOYFRIEND
– LAST EMPRESS
– MEMORIES OF THE ALHAMBRA
– RED MOON, BLUE SUN
– TOP STAR YOO BAEK
– MY AJUSSHI (ep1)
– VARIETY: MEN ON A MISSION, YOUTH OVER FLOWERS: ICELAND

If you like what we do, support us on Patreon!

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    It’s too bad none of you are watching SKY Castle! I’d love to hear your thoughts!

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      I was thinking of checking it out after hearing everyone rave about it, but I’ve had a hard time even keeping up with the stuff I’m already watching! I might just check out the first 2 eps for the next yak if I get a chance – just for you! <3

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        Awww, Saya, that’s so sweet of you! But we’re all only human and can only keep up with so many dramas, so don’t feel pressured to check it out if you don’t have the time! I’m only watching a couple of dramas, myself. 😅

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Things I have learned from Bok-Seung-ho: Recapper\’s gonna recap, even if it\’s on twitter, wherein I watch My Strange Hero 15-16 and promptly lose my mind.

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In case you missed it, @laica, @festerfaster and I did a podcast episode looking back on 2018 – hits and misses and other stuff. Youtube version below!

TIMESTAMPS:
00:03:00 – 2018 retrospective
00:10:10 – Paroma’s Honorable Mentions
00:27:43 – Anisa’s Honorable Mentions
00:29:56 – Saya’s Honorable Mentions
00:38:49 – BEST DRAMAS OF 2018
01:25:33 – WORST DRAMAS OF 2018
01:41:59 – Great Dramas We Missed This Year
01:51:25 – Non-2018 Dramas We Watched This Year
01:54:34 – Best Non Korean Dramas of 2018

hey I bet nobody can guess my favourite drama of 2018. I’ve played this one VERY close to the vest amirite @vivanesca

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    listened to it the minute it dropped. pack your bags I’m taking you away from your toxic friends!!! YSH overacting WHERE
    happy new year!

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      I knew you’d have something to say about it. I’m enjoying your true love as Bok Soo.

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      I think between this episode and the Healer deep dive (not yet released), @saya has lost all faith in @laica and me. XD

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        Am I going to have to plug my ears to avoid hearing any less than gushing comments?

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          hahaha. probably a bit. I swear, I feel so guilty afterwards, I should just shush up during these episodes. *hides face in shame*

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            I’ll have the mute button ready. 🙉 The teenaged girl in me thinks it’s the perfect drama. Stalking, what stalking?

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            Uh oh. We might have to do a lot of apologizing once it drops!

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          forewarned is forearmed! and to be fair, all their comments were, well, fair. I just didn’t feel the same way XD

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      thank you @vivanesca I don’t know what I would do without your friendship. let’s go, I’m ready!

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    I listened to it too. I agree with @laica‘s number one pick, given that none of you had watched My Ajusshi. I think if you were able to watch Mother, you will be able to watch My Ajusshi. I think of it as a slow watch, but as it goes along it has more humor so it was an easier watch for me.

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      I have since watched episode 1 of My Ajusshi. It was a tough watch to be honest, but it also gave me Misaeng vibes, so I have a feeling I’ll love it by the end.

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        I’m pretty sure you will. It’s rough at first, but some humor comes through eventually.

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Last Long Yak of the year guyyyysss!!! Join us for one last yammer in 2018!

If you haven’t checked us out yet, check us out! I promise we are lolarious and insightful! (haha excuse me while I go and hide in the toilet now and laugh loud and long at this flagrant lie XD)

This Yak we talk about:

00:02:09 – Email: How to get involved in the Kdrama Fandom?
00:11:26 – Patreon shoutouts!

CURRENTLY AIRING:
00:27:27 – TOP STAR YOO BAEK
00:45:13 – CLEAN WITH PASSION FOR NOW
00:56:37 – RED MOON BLUE SUN
01:01:55 – MEMORIES OF THE ALHAMBRA

COMPLETED DRAMAS:
01:13:14 – WHERE STARS LAND/FOX BRIDE STARS
01:30:25 – TERIUS BEHIND ME
01:34:46 – FAMILIAR WIFE
01:36:02 – BEAUTY INSIDE
01:46:15 – THE SMILE HAS LEFT YOUR EYES

UPCOMING DECEMBER DRAMAS:
01:52:29 – Fates and Furies
01:52:36 – Coffee Please
01:57:15 – Just Dance/ Dance Sports Girls
01:59:17 – The Return of Revenge

A HUGE HUGE HUGE THANK YOU to our amazing wonderful beanie Patreon patrons. It means so much to us that you’re supporting us this way!

If you haven’t signed up yet and are interested in helping us out, check out our still-shiny new Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers

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Also, we spend the better part of 40 minutes on the Dramafever debacle, here are the timestamps for that discussion:
07:36 – reasons for shutting down
09:44 – kdrama license war
13:37 – netflix in the game
15:01 – ethics of viki’s subbing practises
20:33 – DramaFever’s shady beginnings
00:26:32 – Access to KDrama outside US

(youtube version below!)

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New month, new Long Yak! This month we dissect the Dramafever shutdown first, and then go onto:

– FOX BRIDE STAR/WHERE STARS LAND
– BEAUTY INSIDE
– TERIUS BEHIND ME
– PLAYER
– GHOST DETECTIVE
– THE SMILE HAS LEFT YOUR EYES/HUNDRED MILLION STARS FROM THE SKY
– KIM’S CONVENIENCE

– We finish off with a quick look at upcoming November dramas.

And finally: we’re launching a patreon page. We love doing this podcast, but we need a bit of help! Here: https://www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers

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    Done, because I like talking back to you all every month even if you can’t hear me, so I need you to keep yacking.

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      @egads you are AMAZING and we love you so much. It means so much to us (speaking for @festerfaster and @laica both!) that someone is actually willing to put their hard-earned cash towards us, and motivates us to work even harder to keep you listening and entertained (and a friend of our hearts!)

      Thank you so much <3 <3 <3

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    YAY YAY YAY

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Okay I’m not bragging or anything (LIES, I AM) but we just heard our Men Behaving Badly podcast episode (about sexually predatory behaviour in k-ent) was used to teach a university grad class.

NO SERIOUSLY

Can’t get more legit than that.

In case you missed it, down below!

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    Ooooh congratulations Saya! That’s brilliant!

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    Woah! That’s awesome! Congratulations!

    I want to take that class.

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    BRAG! Brag all you want, because the episode deserves this attention. (All the episodes are good, but this one was really really good)

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      tell me about it, I’m still kicking myself for saying ‘oh I don’t mind sitting this one out, I don’t have anything to contribute’

      while podcast recording is in progress: *Saya furiously typing IMs to everyone THE ENTIRE TIME WHILE ALSO KICKING SELF*

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    Oh wow, that’s fantastic! Congratulations!

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    How cool is that? Congratulations!

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    YES!!! This is awesome <3

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everything about Fox Bride Star

is so wonderful

i am dying

goodbye cruel world that won’t just let my babies be together

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Slightly belated September Long Yak! (I know, it’s nearly November, shhhh!)

We check out a bunch of new shows, wrap up some old, and generally talk a lot aaaas usuaaaaallll, come and join us!

Shows:
– FAMILIAR WIFE
– TERIUS BEHIND ME
– FULL HOUSE
– HEART SURGEONS
– GHOST DETECTIVE
– 30 BUT 17
– MY ID IS GANGNAM BEAUTY
– TIME

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Aaaand the full audio commentary for Full House Episode 1 watch-along here. It was our first time doing it, so tell us what you think, and if you’d enjoy more like it!

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ooo guys, watch this while you can! (youtube might take it down with its indiscriminate flagging system)

(fyi: abridged podcast ep!)

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New month, new podcast! This month’s Long Yak is shorter than usual, to match our bizarrely short watchlists. We discuss:

– TIME and KIM JONG-HYUN’s departure from the show
– YOUR HOUSE-HELPER
– 30 BUT 17
– FULL HOUSE (2004)
– MY PRINCESS (2011)

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    This time ’round, I heard the podcast before I saw your post about it and I was like, “Am I early?”, lol. I don’t really comment on youtube, but I wanted to let you ladies know that I really like your podcasts! I listen to them while I clean and they motivate me to clean more so I can hear all of it, hehe!😊

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      I listen to it while I have things to do in the kitchen and it helps me get more done too.

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        You two actually make us sound useful! XD Thanks for listening guys!

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          That’s great! I, on the other hand, am useless for the hour and a half that I’m listening XD

          Thus: no dramas, no podcasts DO YOUR WORK SAYA

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    Missed this yesterday! As usual, thanks for sharing and making my lunch more enjoyable <3

    About KJH, I wonder if he was already ill, or if he started having these issues after he accepted this role. I think terminal illness is always really difficult to portray for actors (I remember reading something about Emma Thompson being drained after Wit) especially if his previous work was something as silly and lighthearted as Waikiki. People complaining about him stepping down don't even deserve an adjective. So yeah.
    I also can't believe 2/3 of TLY hadn't watched Full House! It must be hilarious to watch now, but I don't think I'm up for a rewatch lol. I already had my quota of unexplainable Rain fashion to last me forever.
    I started My Princess only because LeeKi was going to be in it, and even though I ended up enjoying the OTP, I kind of always forgot to watch it. It took me around 2 months after it ended to complete, mainly because I got bored. I've been watching 12-ep-long dramas lately so maybe we'll get more substance rather than length in the future!

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      I started My Princess after Saya talked about it in the TLY. I took a bathroom break sometime in the middle of the first episode, then my dog wanted to be walked. I remembered three days later that I’d left that ep at midpoint, but I still haven’t been able to muster up the interest to go back and finish it. XD

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        *snort*

        @natzillagorilla all thirds have watched Full House now XD (see: my twitter meltdowns XD) and 1/3 certainly regrets it XD That’s 16 hours I could’ve put into rewatching Golden Cross.

        And this is terrible but Lee Ki-kwang’s impossible lips kept distracting me in My Princess (in a bad way). I mean, are they natural? Were they full of filler? Was he literally bee-stung? Or did they make me think of worms? It’s a mystery.

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Our k-drama origin stories!

What’s yours?

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    saw a gif of CITT on tumblr. liked Seol’s clothes and the urban setting. soaps other than american (i.e. venezuelan or argentinian telenovelas which were really popular in my country when I was growing up) usually stick to rugs-to-riches Cinderella stories and that gets really boring really fast. I figured it’s something interesting so I checked it out.

    then it was R1988 which had really solid acting and screenplay and made me cry 4 times per episode on avarage and call my parents a lot more. and then I discovered viki and dramabeans and now I’m That Girl Who Leaves Parties Because “The Subs Are Out”

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      ‘and now I’m That Girl Who Leaves Parties Because “The Subs Are Out”’

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

      never leave kdramaland @vivanesca, we will always need you to remind us what’s most important in life

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    I used to be a huge General Hospital fan. A site I’d visit for recaps had a review of Fated to Love You.
    https://despairintheafternoon.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/soap-report-fated-to-love-you/
    A year or so later I finally watched part of it on YouTube. His laugh had stayed on my mind. I then stumbled upon this place and decided to take a gamble and bought Coffee Prince. I loved it. But it wasn’t until last summer when I entered a horrible reading slump that they became a regular part of my life. I subscribed to DF and devoured Boys Over Flowers, Secret Garden, Kim Sam Soon, I Can Hear Your Voice, and so on. The set up and pacing reminded me so much of books. Then I saw that a Drama called Because This Life is My First was coming out. I subscribed to Vicki because for some reason I decided I had to watch it live. It was the first drama I watched live. Now they are just a daily part of my life, lol.

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      This is true for me too. It wasn’t until I ran out of books to invest my time in that I gave Saya’s (increasingly manic) recommendations of kdramas a chance. XD

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    Yay! New podcast!

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    Filipino subbed Autumn in My Heart aired on our local channel, saw Won Bin,got mesmerized and tried a few other kdramas after that. And then I saw Junki Oppa in My Girl and never watched any local dramas since then

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      Aaaah LJK in My Girl. That was the only drama where I suffered true SLS.

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    I was tired of US tv and out of good British shows when I stumbled on a subbed K-drama. I recorded them until I discovered Dramabeans, Viki and Dramafever.

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