Beanie level: Fan club president

Oh dear. I am enjoying Kill It too much to even shit post. Oh no. Also I have a bad feeling about the ending. OH NO. NO we must get back to shitposting. It’s the only way I’ll leave with my heart in tact nooooo.

Episode 7:
I admire the balls of this show to actually make our leading man an unhesitant killer when he needs to be. It’s badass and I appreciate it. I still wish I knew more about him. I feel like I know nothing about him. Also I get kinda bored when he’s not on screen doing stuff. Like Episode 6 was boring. Not enough Soo Hyun you feel me?
Need more Soo Hyun and his wolf pack. Or Soo Hyun and action scenes. Or… You get the drift. More Soo Hyun.

*He’s totally gonna die tho isn’t he* *like Lookout* *RIP* *WHY DO I GET ATTACHED TO MORALLY MESSED UP CHARACTERS WHO ALWAYS DIE ON ME* *CRIVENS*

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    I’m super excited to see Soo-hyun seemed to “snap” at the beginning of eps 7. (I can’t wait to see him in full revenge mode!) And his confrontation with Hyun-jin afterwards… Give me more, please. I want more angsty, conflicting leads.

    As for the ending, I’m already preparing my heart for his death (and you just have to mention Do-han and his tragic death γ… γ… ). I don’t see any possible redemption arc for his character. He’ll probably make a big sacrifice for his pack at the end or something. Though some people said that this drama is absurd enough to give us a happily-ever-after ending.

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      Yes! Same! I was a bit worried they weren’t actually gonna have him shoot the assemblyman but they did.
      I really need more of the leads together too. I don’t really know why since I’m not fully in love with Nana’s character I just… Love the potential of them together I guess. I’m probably gonna get burnt in that front too ack.

      I’m expecting a sacrificial ending too… 💔
      It is absurd enough it might give us a happy ending but at the same time it got much more serious this week, and took on more of a serious thriller mantle than a fun and intense action flick…

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    Saves this to read later.

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“Can we talk?”
“That’s not on the menu”
#savage #me #stealingthislineatsomepoint #whyamihashtaggingthiswtf

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    He actually asked, “Do you have time?” which makes more sense. Like “Do you have condensed milk?” “We don’t have that on the menu.” It is a savage comeback I’ll have to remember irl.

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      I thought the subs would be a little out but either way it was hilarious.
      Also I can’t knock the dude for his sweet hot milk tooth because that’s me!

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        Why would anyone order milk from a cafΓ© when you have a lethal allergy to caffeine? Logic.

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My Seoul itinerary includes the National Cemetery, an abandoned theme park and tonight specifically the Universal Ballet perform Swan Lake.

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Chae-young with Jisoo vs Jinyoung????
That’s hardly fair!!!

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    Looks cute πŸ™‚

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    Jisoo vs Jinyoung? That’s easy. Moonbin wins. 😂

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      Oh wait. I messed up. I remembered Moonbin was supposed to be in a drama this year, and I could have sworn I saw him in the trailer. Turns out that drama is Moment of Eighteen and not this one. Kang Tae Oh looks a lot like him when he smiles and laughs though. And they have a similar nose!

      Anyways, back to the original question. I like Jisoo, and it looks like he’ll win if there even is a winner, but I’ve liked Jinyoung a lot ever since his fantastic performance in Moonlight Drawn By Clouds. So I’m going to go with Jinyoung. Why do I always end up on the losing team?

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        Ah yes you understand my dilemma well. I like Jisoo and I’m happy he’s Lead and will get the girl for once but I too have loved Jinyoung since MLDBC and I curse the Kdrama SLS trope! Argh.

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Pretty sure my room is not sound proof and I was giggling very loudly.

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Her Private Life
He… *coughs* he gave her… *chokes* the room *splutters* because h-he thought th-they were l-lesbians. *snorts* *dies laughing*

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    And the talk to himself in the bathroom….the self awareness of it all. He owned his shit.

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    There were many good scenes in the show – but this may be the best one of all. LOVED it!!!
    Maybe SK is changing a bit towards LGBTQ issues? Or maybe it was because he had been living in NY?
    Either way I thought it was just cool beyond cool…

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Does anyone want a SVT poster… I got three free when buying albums and I\’m really not gonna use them lol.

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    I googled SVT, and this is what I found.

    I assume this is not the SVT poster you are offering 🀣

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    I would love a SVT poster?! How can I get one?

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      I don’t know. I was gonna unpack them when I get home and maybe give them away or sell them. Problem is I live in NZ… Where are you???

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        I’m in California 😂 You should probably just sell them. You could make good money off of three SVT posters. I would actually recommend selling them through depop. If you listed them on there, I would totally buy one.
        Enjoy the rest of your time in Korea btw!!

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          Oooh okay I will check that out when I get home! Thanks!

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          I love that you two are strategizing business deals from two continents that may take in even more when they’re complete.

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Mini Kill It Episode 5 Sh🖤tpost because. Well. YOU KNOW WHY.

💀 I feel like watching action shows ATM, so even if this is sh🎉t- whatever I\’m watching it. And enjoying it. Even if it\’s sh🍍t.

💀 As terrible as this sounds, I really do wanna see a romance between our leads. Because idk if I can handle another show where JKY just stares at the girl for oh idk the entire thing?
Plus it would be one heck of a forbidden romance.
And it would end tragically. Probably. And therefore gloriously. Imagine the hurt! The betrayal! The tears!
And I\’m here for that ye ken. Gimme what HMS chickened out on!!! (Just the murderer part that is. Not the incest.)

💀 \”That\’s hereditary for you\”
\”He\’s just like his father\”
Uhm
No.
Soo Hyeon was abused as a child, survived an attempted murder, then was bought up as a serial killer. Some things are hereditary yes. And sometimes environment has the bigger impact. Let\’s all take a wild guess as to what the case is here.
*A moment of silence for taking a wild guess* *moment of silence for taking wild guesses over*
Previously show, you have not been an attempted psychological commentary on what makes a killer; I\’m not sure I want you to start now. Stick to clones, wolf children, action scenes and forbidden romances. Because,obviously, those are… so much better… Uhm. Yes.

💀 \”Does no. 88 know he\’s living with his daughter?\”
His.
What now?
*Wtfs softly*
Literally the first thing that popped into my head was \”who\’d he have sex with? And when? And how? He has no social skills??\”
Was it comfort sex? Did he love her? Was it a one night stand? Did she save him? Or is Seul Gi his clone daughter? Sperm donor? Alien mutant child?
Kay I\’ll stop now …
EDIT: ASssahh! Artificial insemination eh. So maybe a sperm switcheroo? Wait that doesn\’t make sense either. Alien mutant child is much better yes.

💀 I love how *cracks up laughing* I love how she sits in a cafΓ© ALL DAY FOR HIM. And then he comes in and she stares at him like he\’s Jack and she\’s Rose. And then this swelling music plays and I *😂* I can\’t… like the love story just writes itself man!

💀 This show is wack man.
Like it has… The bones of a really intricate and good plot.
Creepy orphanage, dead numbered children (probably alien wolf clone children), stolen identities, a LONG hit list, a hit man who was an alien wolf child working for a spurned business partner who wants revenge, but also looking for his past, who is also being hunted by a ballet detective, who was a stolen child by the bad bad guy, who is also wolf boy\’s childhood lover friend (the detective not the bad guy).
Also the wolf boy has a daughter (?) who is the sole witness to the ballet detective\’s friend\’s (?) death and is the grandchild (\”\”) of… Idk… who was she the \”grandchild\” of again?
Basically. It COULD be a cool (albiet convoluted and probably with too many sub threads) plot. But it\’s just like… a jangling mess *imagine a jester jangling miserably across the floor because he forgot how to juggle*.
And wolf boy, or should I call him cat boy – dammit even the symbolism isn\’t consistent!!! – doesn\’t have enough LINES.

💀 Basically I think the writing has some potential (or it has something anyway) but the directing is a mess and the editing is also a mess and I wish it was in the hands of the Healer team or something.
Jang Ki Yong, you gloriously tall bastard, you deserve more!!!

*Blows a kiss at you all* mwah! I\’m sure you missed these. (Actually I know you did 😜)
p.s. Kingdom Season 1 review To Come. And Kill It sh🐝tpost episode 6…

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    😂😂😂😂😂
    It’s SUCH an absurd show, and only keeps getting more and more absurd.

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      Right?!! Which makes it all the better for sh🍒tposting. *grins like the Cheshire Cat*

      But I also want an R18 version of this show with better everything but still Jang Ki Yong.

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        “an R18 version of this show with better everything” – I agree. Maybe in trying to sanitise it for TV, they’re messing up what was otherwise an awesome script~!

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    Looking forward to episode 6. I still can’t figure what’s wrong with this show. The beauty of JKY has been quite distracting though.

    Ballerina detective…I still don’t like her character too much. Why you gotta give her a pretty nickname?

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    At first I thought scientist guy was talking about Seo Hyun and Seulgi when he said β€œDoes 88 know he’s living with his own daughter”. But I think it’s a translation mistake, and the doctor meant β€œIf 88 (SeoHyun) knows he is living with his (HyeoJin’s father) daughter (HyeoJin),” since they’re talking about SeoHyun’s father before that, who I assume is HyeoJin’s adoptive father. It’s a mess, regardless lol I really like the plot though, even though the execution is a mess.

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      OHhhhhhh! That would make SO MUCH MORE SENSE. I was having a pretty hard time working out how Seulgi was SH’s daughter hahahahah. Admittedly, her being his clone daughter would be a pretty cool twist, but… Also super weird. Cos there’s only nine years between them (I think).
      But eh, HJ being the ” adopted” daughter of evil dude, who might be SH’s father … Idk we already knew that so it’s not as fun! Oh well hahaha

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      I actually like the plot too even though I’m making fun of it hahaha but that’s the whole point of a shitpost

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    Pffftt…
    Have I told you that I love your sh*tpost, Sic? I was basically laughing my head off when watching this eps. I don’t know how they can turn a potentially dark and disturbing plot into something ridiculously makjang, but there it is. At least from the BTS videos, everyone seemed to be enjoying it just as much as I’m loving this hot mess. I just need this show to continue to be absurdly entertaining till the end (so that you can write more of this sh*tpost 😜😜).

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      You have gadis, you have. But you can tell me again. πŸ˜‰

      Oh I will be shitposting this show to the very end! Don’t you worry!

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    Love your posts!

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So I\’m staying with this lovely woman and her sister in Sokcho for the next three nights, who were most impressed I knew so much about New Journey to the West (lol they should meet a real fan of it) and they went out to walk the dog, ordered me chicken and gave me the remote with their netflix login.
So I spent my fifth night in Korea eating fried chicken, drinking soju… and finally, FINALLY getting to watch Kingdom.
Or well, the first two episodes at least. (And legally too, even though I downloaded it lolol)
So far… I wouldn\’t reccomend eating whilst watching this show. Like … it\’s doable. But … Yeah. And especially not chicken…

First thoughts:
It\’s so well produced. I love the cinematography. That opening? Chilling. I love the dry humour. I like the slightly different take on how the zombies work (or at least, different to me). I like the fact they have a literal Zombie King. Like I get to say that. Over and over again. Zombie King Zombie King Zombie King. People are still stupid and open things they shouldn\’t though. *Smh* and it\’s slightly predictable so far but I like the fact that *SPOILERS* they essentially caused a zombie outbreak just because they wanted the king to stay alive to suit their political machinations. How very depraved. Lol. I mean sure it was accidental bio warfare but STILL.

Oh and… This might sound kinda insane but THEY DID THE CANNABALISM THING. Ahem.
Story time
Once, an… accquaintence of mine was asking people if there was any meat they would never try, and the subject of human flesh consummation came up (as you do), and some people said, in their morbid curiosity, they would kind of like to try it.
The only thing I had to say in response to all this was \”well that\’s fine but don\’t eat too much or you will go insane\”.
Because consumption of human flesh, eventually causes the brain to break down and you … Go insane. You know… kinda like a Zombie…
Well. Ladies and gentlemen, when Kingdom used CANNABALISM to spread the Zombie King disease, well you could colour this morbid nerd impressed. Sure cannabalism isn\’t the cause of this er… Undead outbreak, but it\’s still kinda cool that they used it in some way, on purpose or not.

Also, America, I may only be two episodes in but please take notes on how to do a zombie show.

P.S. I would be so pissed if I was that peasant and Bae Noona and I\’d just finally contained the flesh eating werewolf zombies only to have some rich kids from the city come and let them all out again like WOW REALLY GUYS
P.P.S. as horrible as it is that evil guard killed the eunuch for no reason I couldnt help but think \”at least you won\’t become a zombie dude. It\’s honestly preferable\”

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@greenfields
Because apparently you haven’t seen it before. So we must fix that stat.

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I like it more than 4D but still not as much as AIIYL. The marching band theme has a lot going for it.

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    I give up Sico. I think outside of Yoongi’s music and a few random songs here and there, we don’t have anything in common re music tastes. 🀣 If I like you won’t; and if you like it, I won’t. That’s the norm. 🀣🀣🀣🀣

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      LMAO. Well, do YOU like 4D?
      (Because really I only compared this to other BP songs. It’s not as catchy (yet), and I still think Boombayah was a very strong debut that they haven’t really topped, and AIIYL and Stay are still my favourite BP songs. But I’m gonna listen to the album tomorrow and see if I still “like” it on second listen lol)
      And idk, we have more than a few songs in common we both like… It’s just we have a lot that’s not in common at all hehehe.

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        4D? No. But I do like it more than this one. XD
        Blackpink’s music isn’t to my style. I’m not saying its bad or anything (though in my view, this song is only average. I apologize sincerely to any Blinks that may read my comment), but for the most part, BP’s sound doesn’t appeal to me.

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          My friend sent this MV to me and I replied back β€œEh” and she was like β€œEh???? Um okay I love you but you’re so wrong” LOL.

          Everything BP does looks and sounds the same to me tbh.

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            LOL πŸ˜€ well, the heart of a fan. They’re definitely a distinct sound.
            Mostly I think YG is doing them dirty by giving them so few songs spaced so far apart. With a larger discography there’d be songs for pretty much everyone.

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          Ahhhh I see. Lmao.

          Truthfully? BP is like my Taylor Swift of KPop. That is, a guilty pleasure. And sometimes circumstances arise where I can only listen to Blank Space/Boombayah on repeat because it helps me write or … something.
          I like what Blackpink tries to do musically at least. I still prefer 2NE1 and 4minute but I can enjoy the odd BP song. Can’t listen to Whistle tho. It annoys me. Hahaha

          Also you know, considering the fact that we have both very broad music tastes, I think saying we dont have anything common in music tastes is a bit much. Maybe not mainstream K-pop wise we don’t, but then I don’t know anyone who likes all the same music as me. (They’d be a government spy if they did).
          I know you were just teasing but still.

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            Haha true. I WAS only teasing. Didn’t mean for it to sound so strong. πŸ™‚

            I really do think this time YG have gotten the music all wrong though.

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Well I guess if One isn’t allowed an actual comeback, he can just make do with being an idol in a drama lol

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    Hi sic. How’s korea? 😎

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      Good! But my feet are killing me lol

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        Lol. Thats normal when travelling. I’m sure you are having loads of fun ☺!

        Is it hazy? I read about the bad forest fire in Korea. Huhu

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          Normal it may be but it still hurts!!! Haha

          It is hazy yeah. Not this morning but by this evening it was bad. I’m going closer to where one of the fires was tomorrow too… :/

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            The fires are so sad. Hopefully it won’t affect your trip too much and they can extinguish it quickly. A face mask might be necessary if you are going to be outside in poor quality air for an extended time. When we had all our terrible fires in the fall they told everyone to limit their time outdoors or wear a mask.

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    This drama looks fun! Her fangirling at home I can relate but those huge lenses are too extreme though 🀣

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      Oh no those lenses are standard fare for fansite photographers lol.
      Actually the crazy fangirling made me a bit uncomfortable, what with everything else happening at the moment, but we’ll have to see how the drama handles it.

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It has come to my attention that if K-Pop were more mainstream where I live and they played it on the radio and in shops all the time, many songs and artists would be considerably more annoying and I would like it considerably less…

Also Busan says hi.

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The most confusing thing about Kill It is all the frikkin names. Sure show, keep name dropping all the murdered people you want but I still have no idea who you\’re talking about.

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    This was me after a certain amount of episodes of “Stranger” and “Voice” season 2, so I had to drop both dramas

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      And the directing and editing being so weird at times, with a jerky structure does NOT help. I don’t know who any of the bad guys are and I’m annoyed because the plot wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t executed so confusingly.

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        Oh no πŸ™ Yea, I can imagine that directing and editing would be a major factor– I can deal with dramas that have many, many characters (that’s what weekend 50+ episode family dramas are for), and I can do with crime dramas that have many characters involved, but the editing has to be done right… As much as the ending sucked and ruined the overall love I had for the drama, a good drama with lots of characters but still kept my interest and didn’t make me feel lost, was “God’s Gift – 14 Days”

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Oh I forgot the best bit.
My hostel in Busan is called… The Melon Guesthouse. 😜🍈

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Ladies and Gentlemen, minions, beans, platypodes and enigmas, Her Majesty the Queen of Melonia is going to Korea.
*Trumpets* *fanfare* *applause* *shouts*
When? Uh… In like 30 minutes, but we have 4 flights and 40 hrs between now and final destination.
Where? Busan, Sokcho, Seoul.
Why? gee… I wonder.
How long: I leave Seoul on the 19th.

I will have data and WiFi when I\’m there so expect the odd update and Kill It shitpost. I also have Kingdom downloaded so I can finally FINALLY watch it, along with RIBB and TYH which I have t finished because this last week I have along with planning finished a drawing commission and quit and left my job at the library in order to study at the end of the year when I get back.

Uh. Yeah. Anything else? Nah don\’t think so.

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ahem
Ze Sicarius K-Pop Map, First Edition.
@hades, @raonah @whoeverelse

I suppose there’s a lot of this that might need explained*. I’m not breaking it all down tonight but of course if you have any questions, fire at will. The only thing I will say now though is that I think there are five kpop eras, or generations, and I recognise Produce 101 Season 1 as the start of Fifth Generation, or as I like to call it, The Void.

* (like why it is based around a triangle of Block B, FTIsland and Big Bang, what the little red stars are, why 2nd gen starts where it does, and what the Crivens “cult” pop is…)

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    I’m thinking the red stars might refer to popularity outside of Korea. πŸ€”

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      I was just about to tag you because I thought you might find this interesting haha.
      Red stars are groups that have specifically gone viral in America, and broken Billboard records.
      Not just outside of Korea, or like half of second gen would have stars for Japan, and EXO would have like 1 star for every person in China… πŸ˜›

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    **why third gen starts where it does my bad.

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    TVXQ are actually 2nd Gen. As well as SJ but well, idk what that line means. Going by your explanation for the red star below, there should be one of that next to Bigbang because they had been the kpop group with the most mainstream popularity in the USA before BTS came along. They were also the first ones to chart on billboard, though don’t ask me which one cause it’s too confusing for me. They had even won an award for the best worldwide act on an MTV award show all the way back in, *googles* 2011. Which was pretty huge to say the least. I remember how everyone was praising GD for giving their speech in Korean, even when he could speak english perfectly enough by then, & even when the award show people had told them to say it English. It was pretty cool of him, to be honest. Of course, he also messed it up by saying it in Korean….but with an english accent, out of excitement. Haha. Sorry, I digress. Nostalgia is hard to suppress. I can’t believe I actually remember this. Anyways, so, same for 2NE1 with billboard records. I am not sure about 2ne1 being 3rd gen actually. they feel more 2nd gen…but it also kinda makes sense. Would putting them between the two gens be more accurate? & BP would be 4th Gen as well? Because the Generations are not only divided by time but are also according to major shifts happening in industry trends. And if they are considered 5th Gen, then i think that EXO & BTS should also be considered 5th Gen. Basically, BP, EXO & BTS should be in the same Gen, whatever it is. That’s all that I can dig up from my memory right now. I am also too dumb to make sense of the rest so….that’s it XD Ah! & finally, I think Yoon Mirae/Tasha Reid should also be mentioned next to Drunken Tiger as being the pioneers of khiphop.

    Edit: I think there should be a star next to BP as well? Their MVs have insane amount of views, way more than even BTS, which makes them the group with the most views out of everyone right now. Though I don’t know if they have broken any billboard records. With those numbers, they should have?

    Forgive the deleted messages. I apparently can’t think straight enough tonight to make one coherent post.

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      I remember how everyone was praising GD for giving their speech in Korean, even when he could speak english perfectly enough by then, & even when the award show people had told them to say it English. It was pretty cool of him, to be honest. Of course, he also messed it up by saying it in Korean….but with an english accent, out of excitement.

      Too good!

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      I do actually put TVXQ as 2nd Gen. They’re the start of 2nd Gen for me. This is a diagram so it’s not linear… It’s hard to see here, but 2nd gen starts BELLOW Big Bang. It’s just that I used Yellow for 2nd gen and it doesn’t scan very well.
      The Line is for Big Bang alone which I could also red star them but I gave them their own line and a crown instead. For all the reasons that you mentioned and many more of my own.

      RE: The Red Star
      There’s actually quite a few that could make it onto the “red star” list, by dint of Billboard definition alone. I guess… I was just trying to map that Red Star groups have been around since 1st gen, and it didn’t start with BTS as some people like to think, and I knew specifically about Psy and Wonder Girls without crosschecking every group, hence I didn’t actually know about 2NE1. Like I said, this is the first edition and I just wanted to show a rough map of the extent of how certain groups go viral. I also didn’t want to include EVERY viral group because there are different ways a group can go viral. I definitely think BP could be a contender for the Red Star though. In the second edition I may have to redefine what it means.

      RE: Other
      I agree re. Yoon Mirae, second edition will probably have MFTYB on it instead but again this obviously doesn’t have everyone on it, it doesn’t even have all important big groups on it.

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        Re: TVXQ & BB
        Ah! I see it now that you have said it. It IS accurate to say that TVXQ started 2nd Gen & the boy band structure we see being used even now. The first group, H.O.T, was formed after LSM (SM’s founder) started a survey to find out what people (or was it just girls?) wanted out of artists. H.O.T was an experiment that worked. TVXQ was the perfect result of that experiment that really blew up, & the rest is history. About BB’s crown, I thought you were just using their fandom logo 😂

        Re: The rest
        You have your work cut out for you. But it sounds exciting! By the way, will you be focusing on groups or are you going to include solo artists as well?

        P.S. What is this correctly pronounced Beast. It is B2ST! Batoost! Batoost FTW!! & Music Boys Live In Absolute Quality.

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          Yeahp!
          Well Big Bang’s logo yes, but they’re also Kings of Kpop in their own right haha.

          Well Psy is a solo artist, so… I guess both but I know much less about solo artists. I also think it would be interesting to graph a map from Korean Fans perspective and Intl fans’ perspectives- who is big how and why in what area. Because there will be a difference. We’ll see.

          Isn’t Highlight easier? HAHAHAHAHA πŸ˜› IDK I say many kpop names wrong. I used to say shin- ee (not shiny) stubbornly and regularly at the start. I also say EXID literally, rather than E – X- I -D. So whatever floats your boat man!

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      And now to break down how I split the generations since that will pretty much cover the rest of your comment.
      First of all, you’re welcome to split the generations however you like, this is just how I define them and how I map kpop.

      So there are typically two ways other people define kpop generations, one is by just saying there is a generation per decade, and the other is that there are four generations, and that from about EXO onwards there is another generation that included BTS and BP, which is similar to what you’re saying. These people however, do not define a Fifth Generation. I do. This is not a common opinion, this isn’t even a theory among people other than myself and a few of my friends.
      So let me break down my Generation splits, and I’ll try explain why I split them like that, but some of them might be vague music related reasons I can’t say in words very well lol.

      Like you I think generations are not divided by time but according to shifts in the industry, musically, conceptually and stylistically. I also think there is leeway for a bit of overlap between generations, but no more than a year.

      First Gen (1992-2002). Seo Taiji and the Boys to Rain.
      This is pretty self explanatory. This is the least controversial of Generations too.

      Second Gen (2003-2008) TVXQ to SHINee.
      Big Bang is a big line in the middle because I think Big Bang pretty much redefined entirely the genre in their own way. You could even make a case for there only being two generations of kpop. Pre Big Bang and Post Big Bang. I haven’t made them a generation change because musically they’re still very 2nd gen, I just think they’re revolutionary, and they’re like the base definition of what Kpop IS and yet they’re also more than that and often do whatever they want, hence they’re the base of that triangle you see there in the map, the triangle which represents a structure of β€œfringe” groups.*

      Third Gen (2009-2011). INFINITE to B1A4, 2NE1 to A-Pink
      3rd gen is… the hardest to explain and the most controversial. Why do I start it there? Why do I end it there? Why is it so short?
      Basically I see this era as the end of the Golden Era of Kpop, and also this weird limbo generation where there was both a huge shift stylistically from 2nd Gen groups, but also a huge amount of change within the generation itself.
      2NE1 and Apink for example are on opposite ends of the concept spectrum. And yet I have them in the same generation.
      I just think there was a shift in 2009 music and music videos, a shift in quality, a shift in tone, and it was quite a significant shift to the year before, and I think that’s why I split it here. 3rd gen also has a lot of defining groups in my opinion. I mean, every generation does, but this is where I have tracked the cute boy group concept back to for example.

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        Ok I will have to go about this sequentially. BTW, you are very right on the timeline, but my reasons for it are different.

        First Gen:
        This was the base for the rise of the company as a brand, as a musical group themselves. Before this, anyone could make music & stand on the stage. There was no β€œcommercial” music or underground music. Hiphop had been the name of the game mostly. But during this gen, we see it slowly start to lose its momentum with the debut of 1st Gen groups.

        Second Gen:
        With TVXQ’s debut in 2003 & huge commercial success, a divide happened in the music industry. Commercial mainstream music, that would later on be known as Kpop, became a thing. And commercial music cannot exist without non-commercial music, which is where hiphop went. It went underground & fell from the general public’s view. It is interesting that you would pin BB’s revolution in 2nd Gen because their real revolution actually doesn’t happen until later. BB was hardly there for this gen. However, what they DID do is introduce hiphop back into mainstream music. This wasn’t revolution though. It was favorably received, but TVXQ was still the β€œit” group & people followed the kind of music they made way more. This is when rock was still being incorporated in Kpop. BB had big hit songs at the end, when they switched tracks & went for pop rap, but they lacked the public recognition they needed to become a brand. I still remember this radio show they had done where, when asked about what music of theirs they wanted them to play next, the host was actually surprised that said songs were theirs.

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        Third Gen:
        You are very right about this gen being listless, & it’s easy to tell why. The start of this Gen was marked by the end of TVXQ. The industry had just lost their β€œit” group, & there was no one else to truly take their place. I keep focusing on who the main group of each gen is because they act as an anchor for the direction that the music industry takes. With the loss of TVXQ, people didn’t know where anything was going, which lead to a lot of haphazard efforts in different directions at trying to be the next big thing, at trying to influence the kind of music being created. But nothing ever truly solidified. However, this is the Gen that I see as the formative years of BB, & unbeknownst to everyone, the Kpop that we see today. This Gen was the slow build up to the crescendo that hit with BB in 2012, which led to the start of the 4th Gen. But I am getting ahead of myself. Back to the start of this gen, mainstream solo artists had dwindled by a LOT. They would have become completely non-existent if not for the successful release of GD’s self-produced first solo album that breathed some life back into them (a group member getting a full solo release has been unheard of back then). This solo album showed that people were not receptive to only groups, & most importantly, it put back some power in the artist’s hands themselves. This is the start of the legend that built around GD. Taeyang also had a very successful solo album, & both of their successes as solo artists slowly started making BB a publicly recognizable group. This album is also significant because not only does he have hiphop tracks on it, but it also builds upon the electronic music that they had first started experimenting with, as a group, back in 2nd Gen. Meanwhile, YG too builds upon BB’s musical trajectory so far, in 2NE1. BB also started something very much tied to Kpop now – fashion branding. They were the ones who first started wearing branded clothes during promotions & otherwise, as a way of advertising. In 2011, we see BB come back with the electronica Tonight, that was favorably received & also managed to create some splashes abroad. However, none of this was revolutionary, YET. These were more like seeds being sown for what would happen in the next Gen. It’s also cause this Gen had one other just as important musical presence – Super Junior. They were a vastly different group from BB but were still just as successful abroad. All of this just fed into the confusion that music was going through in this era.

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      Fourth Gen (2012-2015)
      In short, the reason this generation is different to the one before it and the one after it is all because of EXO. EXO redefined the genre again and is responsible for the modern currently most well known Kpop sound.
      Not BTS, because BTS have been through two dramatic changes in their music style and concept. EXO, to me, even if they do a song that “breaks” genre, will just always sound like EXO. I think they unfortunately sparked a lot of wannabe mini EXO’s though, that we see in Fifth Gen, who just kinda sound like bland less good versions of EXO.
      There was also another shift in terms of MV production and concepts. This has more of an over lap from about 2011-2014, when cringey weird debut videos were rife, but started to fade out. But since EXO started in that bracket (WOLF) and phased out of that, I see them as a good place to define that shift from. EXO also heralded the first year of over saturation in terms of debuts, 2012.

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        i think EXO are more important that commonly thought. Before BTS really took off it was all about EXO(especially the pre-split EXO). The split was really damaging in terms of growth of their fan base.

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        Fourth Gen:
        Finally, we are arrive at the revolution. I completely disagree with EXO being the ones to start this off. It cannot be farther from the truth, though they do something else that I will get into later. BB had spent much of 3rd gen being apart as a group. They focused on their solo careers & then the Japanese market in between, which meant less exposure in Korea for a time. Tonight helped them come back & I would say that Tonight was a tentative attempt, an experiment on if they should stick with the dance & electronic genre. When it was received favorably enough, they decided to go full in with their next release with everything they had learned so far, in 2012 (oh 2012. what a year), with the bombastic Fantastic Baby. THIS was the BB revolution. Fantastic Baby, & the entire mini-album Alive, completely blew everyone out of the fucking water with them bringing together all the styles they had been experimenting with separately so far. And not just in Korea, but this also blew up the kpop wave to levels no one had seen before. Kpop finally had their β€œit” group again. BB were the unmatched Kings, as you said, absolutely no competitors whatsoever. Whatever they did, everyone else just followed, whether it be music or fashion. As with every group that hits it that big, their history came back into focus, making hiphop, & especially good rappers, fully come back into the mainstream. Just like BB had, rookie groups started debuting with strong hiphop, & transitioning into electronic dance tracks later, like B.A.P, BTS, etc. Also, because of BB, being self-produced became a coveted talent for a group to have as well. While before this, everyone had been called idols, now there was a distinction that was being made between β€œidols” & β€œartists”. Artists from other groups started getting more freedom for participation in the production of their albums. Pure solo artists still didn’t get the mainstream attention they used to once enjoy almost a decade back, solo artists coming out of groups while still being attached to them became a thing. In fact, it became the preferred evolution for a group. The Kpop we see today was made by BB. The mini EXOs that you are referring to are actually not that, but a fusion of BB & SJ, an attempt by the industry at trying to bring together the two big groups from 3rd Gen & making a β€œperfect” one. BB pushing Kpop to more heights of popularity meant that the over-saturation we see now, happened. Everyone wanted to have a hand at this new trend & kept kicking out similar groups after groups. The kpop we hear now, is not EXO. It is BB who started that trend.

        [contd. EXO]

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        EXO, as much as I love their music, did not start 4th Gen. They did, however, do something else that was very significant. With the spotlight shining bright on hiphop now, the traditional pop groups started suffering, & it would have declined a lot…if not for EXO in 2013 with their first album XOXO. This was the one that was a huge smash & catapulted EXO to fame. They brought back the pop sound of the 2nd Gen, the music that had started all this in the first place, & fused it wonderfully with modern musical trends, making it appeal to a mass audience. It put a huge wrench in the increasing dissociation being made between idols & artists. They also brought harmony & melody back into Kpop, something that had become very rare in the industry.

        Fifth Gen:
        I honestly have no idea but I also believe that these Gens only become visible with hindsight, once they have ended. So we will probably know for sure in a few years just when 4th gen ended & 5th gen began, & also what it’s defining factors are.

        P.S. the cute boy group concept can be traced all the way back to 1st Gen with H.O.T’s Candy. Even TVXQ debuted with it & so did a lot of other groups from that time. I don’t remember who the other were though, because none of them went anywhere.

        P.P.S. BB has revolutionized the way groups perform as well.

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      Fifth Gen (2016- present)
      I have been theorizing, ever since I got into kpop in 2016, that there is in fact a Fifth Generation. I didn’t really know how to define it for a while, it was just this feeling I got, that there was one from around 2016-2017 ish; if Fourth Gen had been over saturated, well what we had now was even more so. The style of MVs and music had changed again too. It wasn’t till I explained to my other rather contrarian kpop friend and she agreed that there might be that we sat down to figure out when we thought this Fifth Generation started and why.
      We chose to define it from the very first season of Produce 101 in January 2016.
      Because P101 was a huge shift in the industry. It sparked a tonne of survival show groups, and also splinter cell like groups, where more than one group would come from a show itself. It sparked the concept of temporary groups and crossover groups. And we think it is one of the main reasons for this gross over saturation that is in the industry at the moment. It started in 2014 yes, but since the concept of survival groups there is a lot more. There were 28 comebacks in February 2017. There have been months with even more than that in the past two years.
      I don’t really know how to explain this next bit nicely so I’m just going to say it.
      There’s also a shift musically from Fourth Gen, but that shift is that there are a lot of new groups with no individual sound and who all have a variation on the same EDM theme.
      Also I don’t think there have been many if any concepts that have really stood out either (and no, being a super popular group doesn’t mean you have a stand out concept or style). Thus I basically see Fifth Gen as this endless, bottomless void of groups that all blur into one with the occasional blip in the Matrix.
      So no, BP to my model anyway, is not Fourth Gen, because they debuted in August 2016. I think there is a bit of leeway for overlap here, as I mentioned before, but if we go by the base definition of 5th gen, that it started with p101, then they’re 5th gen through and through.

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        *2012 not 2014, for the oversaturation *face palm)

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          Ah I have so many thoughts. But the earth refuses to stop moving for 10 mins (which is good). So I can only reply to this tomorrow. It’s interesting that you would pin BB’s revolution in the 2nd gen. BUT, I have to stop here & come back tomorrow

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            I bet you do haha.
            Like I said this is just the first reiteration on a theory I’ve been working on for a few years (and I haven’t even explained my “fringe groups” yet.
            Take your time replying!
            Unfortunately my reply won’t be for some time again after that. Because I am (somewhat ironically) flying to Korea tonight, so I won’t be on until at earliest Tuesday evening KST, but more likely Wed KST because I will be sleeping and doing things in Busan…

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          Enjoy your trip to korea! Do tell us if you get eat at the YG cafeteria or at the JYP organic cafeteria.

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        damn it, discussing all this with you made me revisit BB songs & I miss them! GD needs to come back soon with something that just hits people & makes waves again. I need some excitement in my life right about now. He had been in a slump though. Maybe a break in the form of military enlistment has helped him with that. *replays Still Alive*

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    [1] Awesome visualization and artwork!
    [2] I need to research. A lot.

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    That’s really cool. Your explanation of the generations was fascinating.

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Always gonna have a soft spot for Tao. And his cars. lol.

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Ahhhhhhhh the base line is criminal. It’s gonna need a couple more listens though… *and have I mentioned recently how glad I am that like all of Block B loves to compose with jazz influences?*
(@greenfields)

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OH.
We’re getting TWO MVs.
And this one is rated R19.
Which is much more what I’d expect from Bastarz.
I will never understand 7S’s logic behind Block B comeback structures but that’s ok.

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