Beanie level: Errand boy

Today’s episode was painful to watch at times. The emotions were so raw and the actors all killed it, especially the parents.

Thankfully we have the Cha family and Jin Jin to lighten things up.

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Y’all it’s only 10 AM and this day is already exhausting.

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I’m becoming quite fond of these kiddos.

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    Oh, good. I had by all accounts dropped this because I wasn’t interested in the romance, but I liked the kids and wanted them to get more screen time.

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This is 100% the crack team I’m hiring next time I need to get an unruly bunch of teens to study.

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Why yes, yes you are.

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I can’t believe how much I missed these stupid goobers and their silly shenanigans.

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    I laughed so much during this show. It was just what I needed!

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      This show makes Mondays feel less Monday-like. It’s by no means a revolutionary drama, but these guys all look like they’re having so much fun and the story is cute and fluffy and perfect for starting the week off. Especially after SKY Castle on the weekends.

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        Totally agree with you @snarkyjellyfish I look forward to Mondays but now it’s hard to decide what to watch first – Clean with Passion or the Crowned Clown?
        It seems laughter works better first.

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          I have Revenge Returns and Clean With Passion as my Monday shows, and while both are fun and fluffy, Clean is definitely the one I can turn my brain off to more easily. Whenever I have a heavy drama and a fluffy one on the same day, I usually leave the fluffy one for later, just to recover from the first.

          I will probably check out Crowned Clown at some point, but if the episodes keep being 90 mins it’ll be hard to find motivation no matter how much I love Yeo Jin-gu.

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            I think the 90 min episodes were only for the first week. At least I hope so. Tonight I’m going to watch Strange Hero as well.

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            90 min episodes are why I couldn’t finish Reply 1994, Hwayugi, and Goblin and the reason I didn’t even attempt Reply 1988. TvN has had a habit of late of bloating their popular shows which annoys the crap out of me because it actually leads to sloppier storytelling and there’s too much filler. I don’t mind a first episode, or even a first week of longer eps, but the habit gets irritating. Also, I don’t usually have the time to watch 90 mins at once which means that my attention lags. I don’t mind like 67-70 mins like JTBC does, because I find those shows rarely waste the time given. But I don’t need a mini movie every week. I’ll watch an actual movie for that, thank you very much.

            Clearly I don’t have strong feelings on the issue…anyway, hopefully Crowned Clown doesn’t get bloated, and I can make time for it one day.

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            Soooo @snarkyjellyfish
            tell us how you really feel! lol

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            Obviously this is a topic which where I have tepid feelings at best.

            Not rant-inducing at all. Nope. Never.

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Who is the more horrific woman? The one who created the monster or the one who enables it? Regardless of who killed Hye-na, Kang Ye-seo is a horrific excuse of a human and I have no sympathy for her.

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    Me neither. I think the show wants us to think she is just an immature brat but she goes way beyond that. I wanted her to be the killer but I’m betting it was the Coach.

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      I look at Ye-seo and think “Yeah, she’ll get into the best med school, and she’ll be top of her class, and she’ll be the best in her field, and she’ll win awards — but in the end that is all she will ever be. She is an empty person, who will live an empty life and even if she changes the world, it’s doubtful she will ever have a meaningful connection with another person.” And in the end, isn’t that all that really matters?

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      My bet is on Driver Jo on coach Kim’s orders 😉

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Just finished episode 14 of SKY Castle.

I have not gasped aloud at a drama cliffhanger in a long time. Holy s***.

What.

The.

F***.

Good-bye productivity, gotta go finish 15-16 now.

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    “stay away from spoilers” I may have sounded like a parrot on DB, but hey you see why now 😉

    enjoy ep15-16 ^^ and then welcome to the live watch club with the week of wait coming along ^^’

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      I don’t know how I’m gonna survive the wait now. Coach is so shady. So so so shady. Murder for university admissions? That’s insane. In-f***ing-sane. The thing that gets me isn’t that she’s a monster, but rather, why is she this way? What does she get out of this? It’s not for revenge. It’s not payback. It’s not even towards a larger goal. She’s horrible for its own sake? I want to know why.

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        Coach is a psychopath. I think she just wants to destroy families and their children because she has nothing.

        I’d actually prefer her not to be the killer. It’s too expected. It will be more thrilling if she can manipulate Yeh Suh into killing but I don’t think show will go there.

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          I’m 50/50 between Ye-seo and Coach being the killer. But I think, regardless, Coach is the murderer because she’s so manipulative that she could have gotten almost anyone there to have pushed Hye-na, and this whole incident just reeks of her doing. Especially after that ending in episode 16.

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            I am 99% sure it’s Coach unless the ending and preview are trolling us. Let’s see if the show pulls any surprises.

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            Regarding the murder, I always thought it was Ye-Seo, maybe manipulated by Coach Kim, her scenes creeps me out, it’s like a sect leader 🙁 . Coach Kim and Mr. Jo are manipulating(/creating?) the evidence but did they do it themselves, urgh I don’t think so.

            side note : I read on soompi that the Seri story was inspired by a real story. Also yep I’ve been live watching since ep3, the wait is hard, I watch the ep as soon as I can when subs are out.

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            I think it’s coach, regardless of who actually pushed Hye-na off the balcony. You don’t need blood on your hands to be a murderer. One thing I kind of started wondering was what if it was one of her other students? We know she has one more she’s tutoring right now, and we know that there are many more in the past. It wouldn’t make sense that the only three she’s manipulated and twisted are the three we know; there’s potentially a whole army of young, privileged adults who would do her bidding at the drop of a hat.

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    Yay you finally reached ep 14!!!!!!! Good luck binging the next two episodes. Looking forward to see your thoughts on who’s done it. One week has passed and I still am not over that cliffhanger.

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      It will be hard to top that kind of cliffhanger again but I hope SKY does it again in its last 4 episodes.

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        I have a new theory: That it’s one of Coach’s old students, at her bidding. (I mean, obviously this means it’s still Coach, but it does put some distance between her and the murder.) Look at what we know so far:
        1. She’s had many other students (~16), it doesn’t make sense that she’d only single out three of them in the last decade to twist into her minions.
        2. She has been successful with all of them (and it’s definitely not just by cheating).
        3. Her way of controlling people is by knowing their secrets and fears. It makes sense that she would keep a sleeping army of privileged young people at her bidding. She doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who would be easily discarded; she’s the one that does the discarding.

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      These people are all terrible. All of them. I think Dr. Kang is the worst of the bad parents (excepting his wife, but she’s another story) yet something tells me he would break at knowing he caused the death of his own child. But I may be wrong, he’s also selfish enough to not care and be relieved. (I have to watch 16 still.) They are so covered in black that it’s not an issue of moral gray areas, but rather who has the least blackened heart. Prof. Cha isn’t redeemed in my eyes, but I think his fall from grace after Se-ri’s return made a crack in him that could lead to some change. But Kang, Kang cares only about himself and any care he has for another, including his children, is because of how it reflects back on him.

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Still catching up on SKY Castle but Jin Jin may be my fave. I mean, she’s flawed but she’s a hoot.

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    I love her and her family. They are so likeable~

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      They may be the closest to a normal family in the bunch. (Only on ep 13, so no spoilers please!)

      Also, I love her hair. And her slightly gaudy yet somehow tasteful style. And her newfound crush on Hwang Chi-young.

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        Her hair is awesome! I want her hair 😋

        Dr Woo is great too. He and jinjin make a good pair. They both talk and listen to each other.

        I read that the characters are the most normal out of the other families because they were born rich and privileged. The families with problems at SKY castle are those who built their riches and feel they have something to prove. Eg: prof cha and sujin.

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    her scene when she hesitated to go against SeoJin, telling herself “go” then “back up”, reconsiders “go go go” I loved it x)
    JinJin family are my fav’ , followed by Cha family if only Prof Cha could change *sigh*

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    I love her and her family. They look so normal among the others in sky castle. And yes, I always love her as an actress, remember her in My Mister….

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Why am I super into the idea of Hye-na single white female-ing the Kangs?

I mean other than the fact that they are terrible people.
(Except Ye-bin she’s just kind of a brat but not actually horrible)

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I do not know what to make of her, bit I love her nonetheless. She’s terrifying and brilliant and one of the most morally complex characters I’ve ever come across.

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    I always freak out when she’s looking directly at us , please stop it PD-nim

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      Those moments when she does that are very, very interesting. She says absolutely nothing ….. just looks directly into the lens ….. and it takes the viewer right into a creepy zone.

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        so freaking true. that 2nd screenshot says it all. And I love how she never loses composure when when gets found out. It’s like she always had plan B for everything. Look at how she played Soo Jin again at the expense of her daughter -____-

        I remember the actress the most from Come and Hug Me. I had a love/hate with her character from the drama and she`s doing it again here.

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    I’m still on ep 11 but I’m not liking her. It’s mostly the acting, the way she talks is annoying, like she is trying so hard to be sinister she becomes a cartoonish villain.

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More sneaky Bok-soo sneaking like the cartoon detective he is. This time with a bonus disguise!

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Look, I don’t have a problem. Seriously.

It’s not my fault that Yoo Seung-ho has a very expressive face. Or that it’s adorable. I didn’t tell him to be like this. This is all on him.

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Adorable puppy is adorable.

That is all.

G’night my beanfriends. I hope you all have lovely dreams tonight. Or tomorrow night if you live in the future.

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    Good night to you, may you dream of the adorable puppy ☺

    While in some parts of the world some people are having late lunch atm 😉

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    every time I come across this drama gifs, particularly YSH, I wonder about the revenge part.
    So..revenge is delivered through puppy eyes swoony face in this world? hehehehe

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      A quick update on the show:

      Revenge taken: 0
      Puppy eyes given: nearly a million

      …I don’t think Bok-soo knows how revenge works

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Is there anything better than an belittled housewife sticking it to her piece of s*** husband? I can’t wait until his hubris gets the better of him.

(I’m only on episode 6, so no spoilers please!)

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Deciding which of the bad parents is the worst on SKY Castle is like trying to decide which knife to get stabbed with; they\’re all terrible but some of them are definitely worse than others.

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    @snarkyjellyfish—Just added this to my quotes-I-love list. Unfortunately, I’m in frequent need of “terrible choice metaphors” at work.

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      Thank you! I am slightly curious about work that requires “terrible choice metaphors.”

      I’m a very visual thinker and learner, so metaphors and analogies are really helpful for me when I’m trying to describe something. And “being caught between a rock and a hard place” just didn’t cut it here, so I had to get creative.

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    I don’t even watch this show but I just had to say this is very effective imagery.

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Beanerinos I should not have started SKY Castle. I need to sleep. I need to go outside. I need to shower. I need to clean my apartment. But none of that is happening because this drama is amazing.

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    It has that effect on people.

    It just does.

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    The show is engaging. Happy watching!

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    In exactly the same boat since starting Sky Castle. Now worrying to enter the waiting game once catching up….

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    Lol welcome to the club. I watched for straight 12 hours over the New Years break and was left with massive headache hahah and once again forgot the world.

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    stay away from spoilers if you can, you’ll enjoy it a lot more, esp the latest one , that ep14 ending wow wow WOW !

    always nice to see more Beanies watching this gem 🙂 !

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      Somehow this is the one drama that I have been able to avoid spoilers for. Usually I don’t mind being spoiled but this one I’m definitely glad I’m going in blank

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    I’m way behind but I love it.

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This drama has a fascination with various depictions of motherhood. We have Mommie Dearest Empress, who on the surface appears to do whatever will benefit her children, but really she’s only ever looking out for her own interests. She’s willing to throw away one son and to destroy the other one’s sanity in her quest for power. At this point, she’s irredeemable in my eyes, and I cannot wait to see her get hers.

Then there’s Min Yu-ra, who chose to have a child but not to be a mother (a valid choice). She’s not a mother despite having a child, yet there’s something to be said about her relationship with her son – it seems that even if she’s not maternal, she does have some affection for him, however misguided it may be.

Then there’s her inverse, Seo Kang-hee, who wants to be a mother but, like Mommie Dearest Empress, is also looking for power, though her intentions are better placed and she’s much less murder-y. I’m not totally sure what her game is yet, but I’m curious to see how she develops. It seems she really loved the late empress in her own way and she obviously loves her child and is deeply hurt by the way she is treated by the new princess.

The first two women here are clearly not meant to be mothers, and Min Yu-ra actively made that choice. But Seo Kang-hee chose the better life for her daughter at the sacrifice of her motherhood, but at some point, one has to ask whether the price was worth it.

Mommie Dearest Empress is just batshit crazy and someone needs to set her on fire.

I don’t really know where I’m going with this but I can’t stop thinking about the role motherhood plays in this story. Anyone else want to tune in?

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    Yu- Ra tried to murder her child. She saw him as a inconvenience to becoming Empress and paid someone to make that poor kid disappear.

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      Oh I know, I’m not saying she’s a good person by any means, or even a good mother figure. But she has this twisted sense of loyalty to the kid, despite everything. Her wanting him dead (as super f***ed up as that is) was borne out of her sense of self-preservation in that moment, which is the only thing she ever cares about. There’s no doubt she would shove him under a bus if it meant her own survival. But later she does try to keep him alive, and she does seem worried, even if it’s only for herself, when she sees he’s with the weird old cabin dude.

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        I think what larelle mentioned was even after she saw the kid with Dramabeans Ajusshi (what we’re calling “Weird old cabin dude” due to his tendency to explain and recap events for us) she paid someone to ship the kid somewhere far away. So not kill, but hide away like that mess of clothes you don’t wanna hang or fold.

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          That laundry analogy *chef’s kiss*

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          @dokutokunaneko “Dramabeans Ajusshi” ….. Heh!

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          But that’s exactly what I mean — she’s ok with treating the kid like shit, she’s even ok with having him murdered in the moment, but when she’s more clearheaded she treats him marginally (like, really really marginally) better than others. She’s all about having Wang-shik killed, right from the start; same with ajumma. But for her, choosing to let someone live is kind of a freaking miraculous good deed. Hence, twisted affection.

          Also, Dramabeans Ajusshi is a much better name. I was too tired to remember the word I needed for him, and then he went and got all cleaned up in the latest episodes and I got extra confused.

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            I wouldn’t call it twisted affection so much as, ‘damn they can really come for me if I murder a kid’.

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    Love your analysis! It is hilarious to me that the person who might be the best mother in this drama is Oh Sunny, the woman who does not have a biological child but who actually bothers to do some parenting for Ari who terribly needs it.

    A similar character who was formerly in a similar situation was Princess Sojin….a very different story there! 😆

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      I did have some thoughts on those two also, but anything about Oh Sunny is too obvious — no mother, still possesses the natural pathos of a mother etc.

      As for So-jin, well, she’s a child herself (though not through any fault of her own) and having her raise the princess as her own was hilarious since it was just two children bickering. But also, she seems genuinely lonely without the princess now, which I find kind of interesting. Unlike her brother’s loneliness, her’s stems from being used and thrown away her whole life, and for all she’s kind of a b****, I have genuine sympathy for her character.

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      Wow seems like I couldn’t resist the word “who” which is apparently on sale today…..

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    LOVE LOVE LOVE this analysis! While Hyuk definitely has a complex about his dad, and we still got the requisite “dad is a fucking idiot in debt” from Sunny’s dad, I appreciate the heavy shift towards “problems by women for women (and others)” in this drama, and of course that means messed up motherhood. I would disagree a bit on Seo Kang Hee: it looks to me that she made up the story about the late empress (telling Hyuk that the late empress was cheating on him, when we know she wasn’t because the late empress was so angry at his accusation <- even though that wasn't proof enough, we know only good people die in this drama so since she's dead, she was a good person and therefore didn't cheat <- flawless logic). Just because of this I think her intentions are only sliiiiiightly better placed (i.e. it's not all about making a future for Ari for her; she is in it for herself as well). And she's definitely not less murder-y as we saw in the last whodunnit scenes in the latest ep (SPOILER I SAW THAT YOU ARE ALL CAUGHT UP WITH THE EPS BUT JUST IN CASE!)

    she's Grandma murder suspect Number 1 at the moment).

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      I don’t think she told the emperor that the late empress cheated though? I think it’s more like it was already in his mind and she just didn’t disavow the notion, which is again part of her survival strategy.

      And I think that’s what all the females in this drama can be described as doing: surviving. All of them, the good, the bad, the neutral, are fighting for survival and their own well being, and I am here for it. It’s so rare to get so many differently complex female characters in one show. Yes, everything is heightened, but no two females are the same, there’s not always a sympathetic explanation for their behavior, but none of them are entirely passive or content with letting others run the show, not even So-jin who I’m pretty sure is gonna snap soon or else otherwise lose it in some way, poor thing.

      I don’t think Seo Kang-hee killed Granny Empress. I don’t think she’s murder-y so much as she would sit back and watch a murder that benefits her without any hesitation. She’s a master manipulator, working with whatever material she finds, but never actually getting her hands dirty. I don’t see her as instigating a murder. Also, she gains nothing from Granny’s death — she was literally getting everything because granny was in her (daughter’s) corner.

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        In a previous ep she did tell him that the late empress treated the bodyguard differently, among other stories, to fuel the fire. I agree with you on all points, just wanted to point out that shes being very active and not passive in her quest for power.

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        Also agree re her gaining more from Grandma being alive than dead, but I feel a twist (or many) coming to show us that the least expected culprit is the true one (maybe Ill eat my words and Sunny is the true killer, who knows, literally anything can happen in this drama!)

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        Found it! From dramamilk recap ep 23-24: meanwhile, Hyuk has that drink with the nanny in the nanny’s quarters. He tells her that she was the colsest to Sohyun, so she should know if the bodyguard and her had a special relationship. The nanny says that she does not know about them as a man and a woman, but he was definitely not just a bodyguard. Whenever you left the palace, she called the bodyguard and stayed with him until morning. I saw it many times.

        Hyuk – So everything was true? Why are you telling met his now?

        Nanny – She was my friend before she was an empress. And I should not talk bad about the dead.

        Hyuk – *laughs*

        nanny – *thinks*

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          Again, though, that’s passive to me in that she’s not the one planting the seed (it’s already there, thanks to mommie dearest) but rather she adds fuel to the fire. I think we just have different ideas of what passive is. To me active is straight up being manipulative and being the sower of bad seeds like the dowager, whereas passive is working off of the misdeeds of others like the nanny.

          Nanny’s not the one doing the planting, but she sure as hell is making sure that seed grows. Nothing can be traced back to her — if someone accuses her, she has a defense because she never outright said the late empress was having an affair. Implication of something only has to do with the other parties’ interpretation, and that’s not on her. (I mean, it totally is because that’s 100% what manipulation is. But I’m just saying if she were taken to trial she’d be found innocent. I may need to stop bringing the day job into my drama viewing though.)

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            Haha love this! And yes in that way she could be described as very cleverly moving in the shadows!

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            At the end of this mess, nanny may have a few drops of blood on the hem of her dress, but her hands are clean.

            Mommie Dearest, however, will probably look like she bathed in blood. Which she may actually do at some point considering she likes human breastmilk baths.

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    Also I don’t think you can actually call Mommie Empress a mother because there is no way in hell any mother would take bath in breast milk. My mind is still reeling from that. Especially since I come sine my part of the country has really high malnutrition rates

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I think the most interesting thing about the emperor is how he craves affection – you see it it in how he clings to Min Yu-ra, the first empress, Wang-shik, and even Sunny. He’s ultimately a very lonely person, made that way though parental abuse. I mean, sure, he gets a bit murder-y, but that’s mostly his crazy mother’s fault. He’s really a sad puppy who wants a friend.

None of this is to say he shouldn’t get his comeuppance — he totally should. I mean, murder is never the answer (except maybe when it comes to his mother). But I’m finding the writing and SSR’s portrayal of him fascinating; it’s beautifully layered and subtle, but also somehow incredibly campy at the same time. That takes skill.

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    This! How do you love a character but also want him to stay in that Joseon style prison forever? I will watch the heck out of everything SSR is in from now on.

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      Same here. I even plan to watch his previous dramas. I already watched his running man appearance, in which i thought he had so little screen time 😅. Kudos to the writer for writing his character, but it requires an actor with immense skill and personal charm to turn such a hateable character to someone you want to root for.

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You guyssss. I’m almost caught up and I don’t know what to do, I love everything about this batshit crazy show so much. This brolove is too beautiful and SSR seems to be having a blast in this role.

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    This show is like that little cousin who insists on going to art school and “make money” by throwing fake blood at people and you think its crazy but somehow hes famous.
    Anyway join our rabbiy watch when youre caught up and snark together!

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      I will definitely try! I still have to figure out rabbit but I’m sure I can this weekend.

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