Beanie level: Errand boy

Hi, is anyone watching House Helper? How about Handsome Guy and Jung-eum? Care to share your thoughts and help a girl who’s deciding which drama to watch? Thanks!

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    House Helper didn’t grab me the first episode. After the second and third episodes though, I’m understanding what it’s about. It’s slowly getting better and better.

    I don’t know anything about Handsome Guy.

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      OHMYGOD I LOVE WINNER TOO aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAA I’ve been away DB so long I don’t know all of the ICs noooooooowwwww

      Oooohhh, then maybe I should give House Helper the 4-episode test. Thank youuuuuuuuuu for your input~

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    I’ve stopped Handsome Guy (I’ll watch it this winter when I want a slow summery show). I watched the first two episodes of Clean Me Heal Me and feel compelled to keep watching. I wish I’d come up with the name, but I stole it from another beanie.

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      I now want to watch House Helper because of Clean Me Heal Me. HAHAHAHA I CANNOT DEAL HAHAHAHA

      Oooohhhh, so Handsome Guy is the type of show which fits a certain mood. Okay. I was worried about Hwang Jung-eum being screechy but maybe I shouldn’t have worried because she is ALWAYS screechy hahaha

      Thank you for your input~

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        I think Handsome Guy just isn’t very compelling to me. It seems to be following a slow traditional Kdrama pattern but it feels very summery to me.

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      Whoever comes out with Clean Me Heal Me deserve an award! A true fit, finding it so therapeutic to watch all that mess gone…
      Am still watching The Undateables, it’s an easy watch with loveable characters, minor angst (so far) and never fails to give me a good laugh ^^

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      I did exactly the same. Dropped Handsome Guy — it was OK but somehow didn’t interest me anymore. I looooove House Helper. But maybe this is because I used to love all those cleaning/organizing shows, like Hoarder.

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    I’m watching Handsome Guy and my advice is do not watch it. I really can’t wait for it to end. It has some good things but overall it’s not really worth watching unless you are a big fan of main actors. I skip many scenes whilst I watch this drama

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Soooo, I said I’m back but I went away again for the weekend to see WINNER in Korea huhuhuhu. But I’m really back this time around. AND TIPSYMOCHA IS BACK WITH KDRAMA NEWS MAYBE I’M CRYING

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    I wanted to DM you! Please tell me you’ll write about your WWIC experience on your blog? Tweets are just not enough!

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      Omg my blog… Is so dead. I feel bad and guilty about it. I was thinking of tweeting a very long fan account but now maybe it’s finally time to get back on my blog! But I’ll definitely tell about my WWIC experience, I just have to finish this deadline I have. (I’m at work now HAHAHAhuhuhu I want to soak in the feelings but right now I haven’t even processed it???)

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Hi, y’all. I’m back on Dramabeans because of a certain Secretary Kim and her narcissistic but oh-so-fun boss. I haven’t watched a drama in MONTHS (I know, I know, revoke my kdrama junkie card) but now I’m so addicted to WWWSK I’m buzzing with excitement for it! Will try to catch up on dramas I missed!

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I’ve just marathoned all four subbed eps of Pretty Noona and I’M IN LOVE WITH THIS SHOW. It’s so leisurely paced, which makes it feel so much like real-life too. Like, it’s not rushing to the next plot point because there is a story arc that needs to be covered. It just feels realistic, in a way. Plot may be thin but I’ve always been fond of slice-of-life/slice-of-life-feeling shows. Moreover, I love how it shows the injustices and inequality and harrassment females experience, not only at work and DOUCHENUGGET MEN but from their own family (GLARING AT YOU, JIN-AH’S MOTHER) as well. It’s so maddening GAAAAAAHHHH. I hope there are MEN in Korea watching this show because YOU HAVE TO SEE HOW TOXIC EVERYTHING IS FOR WOMEN (and for men too, indirectly because you’re forced to be a sangnamja whatever). But I love how Jin-ah is starting to fight too. ATTAGIRL. I hope every female who’s watching this show can find the courage to fight too. And of course, Jung Hae-in is killing me with his character being so helplessly in like/love LIKE HELLO it’s a wake-up call that this is still fiction HAHAHA

This is my first PD Ahn drama and I now get what people are saying about his directorial talent. It’s so classy, it doesn’t feel rushed, every shot is beautiful but it feels effortless, like, it wasn’t planned. Like, sometimes this is just how pretty life around you can be. Moreover, there’s this scene in episode 4 where it’s all quiet and you just hear the sound of the waves in the ocean in the background and AAAAAAAAAAAAAA I JUST LOVE THAT SMALL BIT SO MUCH

Anyone watching too? I need to talk about it some more!

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PRETTY NOONA IS NOW ON NETFLIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*except Japan, Taiwan, US and Canada

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    Finally Some news!

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    and LA*sighs*
    I’m gonna have to wait until the end of May to get it on netflix!
    (hopefully its availability in the rest of the world will mean faster/better subs for us watching in sketchy sites)

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      Episodes will be a week late but yes, it’d mean faster and better subs will be available!

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Is anyone watching Switch? A Poem A Day? What’s good nowadays? *trying to get back into watching kdramas* I haven’t seen The Great Seducer in so long, maybe I should catch up too!

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    I am watching the three dramas you mentioned (3 episodes behind on Seducer though), love both Switch & APAD but the latter is currently my favorite. Live is good too but subs are late which is frustrating.

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      I also saw some tweets about APAD so I’ve been curious. I wasn’t really planning on watching it before but the good reviews are convincing me. Hee. Hopefully this weekend! Thanks for your input and recs! I started Live a few weeks ago but got busy so I ended up only watching the first 10 minutes I think, and I liked what I saw. Maybe I’ll just marathon it.

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        I think you’ll like APAD! The lead has this fascination with poetry I think you’ll appreciate ^^

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          Omo, I was wary about the inclusion of poetry because it might not turn out good (though I love reading poetry) so I’m glad it’s one of the highlights of the show! Means it’s handled well. I will really try APAD then!

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            Me too! I was wary of how they would connect poetry with the story, but, even though you do get the feeling something’s being lost in translation, they do intertwine them really nicely ^^
            Hope you enjoy! I found the first episode to be meh, but it got better on the 2nd one.

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            @natzillagorilla Thanks for the heads-up that the first episode might be meh. I really need those kind of cues. Like, it’ll get better after x episodes. It also makes me feel like, if I get to the x episode and it’s still not clicking for me then it’s time to quit. Hehehe. But for APAD maybe I’ll try 4 episodes hihihi

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            Hopefully, you won’t need as many eps to see if you like it or not!

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    Poem is my favourite drama right now. .and it’s the latest IT show here on the fanwall. Watching switch too. .its a light and fun watch.
    Seducer. ..well I don’t know why I’m still watching. ..keep convincing myself it’s for WDH but when the guy can’t make up his mind. .neither can the girl. .there’s only so much whiplash I can handle. So on hold for now. Will see whether something definite happens next week. .Then will watch along with this week’s episodes.

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      I haven’t been on the fanwall in ages! And I didn’t want to go there right away because I might just shrink from the dissonance because I know nothing. Hahaha! I might try Switch too because I’m always down for a light and fun watch.

      Haha with the Seducer. Haha to me because even with what you said, I’m still curious?? What is this show doing to us???

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    I am watching A Poem a Day! (And Woohoo Waikiki and My Ajusshi). Loving it so far, and so are many more Beanies. It’s a party atmosphere on the fan wall again on Mondays and Tuesdays for the first time since BTLIOF! (I guess JBL was a bit of a party, but it was usually a melancholy party… lol)

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      Ack, I need to watch APAD too and join in on the fun! I’ve been eyeing My Ajusshi but I was waiting for more reviews or for when things aren’t so bleak anymore. I needed to know that there can be rainbows in that show because right now, I can’t handle shows that are too bleak and gloomy. So it’s on the list too!

      Nice that you have the complete polar opposites that is My Ajushhi and Woohoo Waikiki on your drama watching list. Hee.

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        Do join in on APAD! It’s fun, I promise! And My Ajusshi is REALLY good so far. We’re only halfway through so I don’t want to make any big statements but I’m really loving it.

        And oh, before My Ajusshi I was watching Mother, which is even more of a polar opposite. It’s a nice balance, I think. 😂

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    A Poem A Day is my current favorite. I changed my display name because of it 😄

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    @purpleteapot Are you still watching The Great Seducer? Or any other dramas? I haven’t been up to date with anything!

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      I’ve put my drama-watching on hold because I’m up to my neck in my thesis chapter, but I snuck a peek at some of the scenes with our homegirl Sooji to see how she’s doing! I might continue after most of the show is out so I can skip-watch for the Sejoo and Sooji bits 🙊

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        I’ve been seeing some screencaps of Soo-ji and Se-joo too and I’ve been curious to know too! Good luck on your thesis chapter and hopefully we can catch up with our dramas and with our dissecting them soon!

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          Thank you! I should be back at the end of May to buddy-watch Bridal Mask with Raonah ^^ You seem busy too, good luck with school work!

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    @mango Are you still watching Marry Me Now?

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      Yes I’m still hanging on ! What about you ?

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        Unfortunately, I haven’t! Not because I wanted to stop watching though, I just didn’t watch anything for weeks! (That is, except Pretty Noona this last weekend since it’s now on Netflix PH.)

        How are you finding it? 😀

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          I’m watching Pretty Noona. So much sweetness ! You can’t say the same about Marry Me Now. A few characters get on my nerves, the eldest’s daughter storyline with the doctor doesn’t interest me for now. Yeo Hoe Hyun’s scenes are quite enjoyable but his petty boss makes me angry. Well, that’s basically a weekend drama. I feel like a few characters will grow on me.

          Still haven’t watched ep 10 tho.

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So I always say I’m incoherent but really, I’m still speechless because I’m still in an all-WINNER mode. Anyway, you might want to check out the MV for their new title track, EVERYDAY!

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Inseodul~ Where you at? I\’ll be camping in the V Live later! WINNER COMEBACK Y\’ALL. And this is why I don\’t watch kdramas for weeks now. WINNER has taken over my life!

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Se-joo\’s knowing and hurt looks are killing me! And Soo-ji is slowly getting trapped in this web she weaved. Shi-hyun and Tae-hee are so cute tho! Also, aigoo, why am I still watching this drama? HAHA

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    I know!! Se-joo’s looks are really killing me!

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      He just looks so sad and hurt and trying to hide it all and I’m like SOO-JI STOP LOOKING AT SHI-HYUN (FOR NOW) AND WHY CAN’T YOU SEE SE-JOO hahaha

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    Ou and me both. I just need something fluffy and non- committal after the start we have had to dramas this year! 😭😭😭

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      I hope Pretty Noona is cute as hell because I need the cute dammit

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        Me too! No angst! My poor heart can’t take it. It’s still healing from disappointment although Oh Jak doo has helped a lot with that

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          I’ve only seen the first ep! Haven’t had the time to catch up. The gifs are super cute but I’m easily put off by UEE’s family huhu

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            Yeah…I love the drama but Uees family in this one is just…😶

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            Oh god yes! Her brother is okayish. Her mother is a monster. But trust me Jak Doos ahjummas make up for UEEs shit mum

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    aigoo, why am I still watching this drama?

    🎵 We’re all~ in this to~gether 🎵🤗

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    *Nodding furiously* I ask myself the same question…Why AM I still watching this?

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So I was super surprised that Lee El is actually a bit shy and soft-spoken in real life! And I\’m disappointed at the hyungs because they barely paid her any attention in Knowing Bros. Hurm.

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    She is! I was surprised too, to see how contrary she is in real life with her characters. Agree, all attention was to Song Jihyo mostly.

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      I appreciated Heechul and Sangmin so much because I feel like they were the only people who tried to divert the attention to her. Also, I like Song Ji-hyo but I was off-put by the actual hitting!

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        Yes, Heechul is always good in balancing his attention to all guests. Maybe they asked Jihyo to do the actual hitting because that’s what she is known for? LOL.

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          I guess I was just surprised when it was done again and again. Haha! But then again, that’s the least of my issues about the episode.

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      Agreed, agreed and agreed with everything you guys said. Also, I thought that the hyungs treated Ji Hyo with a lot of respect – well, in comparison to how they usually treat guests.

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It’s Fridaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!

And WINNER dropped two teasers for their comeback so I’m in a constant state of excitement!!!

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    Yay! Can’t wait for the full album!!

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      They look so good in the teasers!!! And iKON members have been saying that it’s an addictive song (the title track, I guess). I’m so excited!

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        I feel jealous of everyone that has heard the song! Like I am even jealous of YG right now!
        So excited for 4th April to come!

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Why are we so in love with prickly ice princes in kdramas yet we can\’t say the same with the prickly ice princesses? Why do we give chances to these jerks and toxic men to be ~healed~ by love but not allow the ladies to experience the same? I can see the flaws and how toxic and not-for-real-life Soo-ji and Shi-hyun are but is it wrong to ship them? Why do we always wish for an asshole guy to get the nice girl but we can\’t wish for the asshole girl to get the nice guy? We\’re so forgiving of all the guys (He\’ll get nicer! He\’s a softie inside!) but we can\’t even let the girls falter or be a bitch. Just saying. Also, I just have to defend Soo-ji because I love her, even with her petty misdirected revenge that will obviously backfire on her. HAHAHA

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    I’m not saying Shi-hyun is a completely nice guy too but you get the point.

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    Also, they deserve each other. And yes, I’m talking to myself now. HAHAHA

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    I think a large part of it is trust in the writing. SO many female second leads like Soo-ji don’t get the character development they deserve while the jerk heroes are almost always redeemed. In this show’s case, though, I already see the writer laying down hints for Soo-ji’s character trajectory. She’s not one-dimensional. I just wish I better understood her reasons for her petty revenge. I don’t need to agree with the reasons, but so far I don’t even really understand them. I hope the writing for her character is good in the end. I’m just apprehensive and I’m not holding my breath.

    But I don’t like the stereotypical chaebol jerk in K-dramas no matter the gender, so…..

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      I do agree with you! Most second female leads are written to be one-dimensional so of course we hate them. But here is one who’s not! Finally! A second female lead who’s still wreaking havoc BUT is dimensional. I hope as well that the writing for her character will be good and will provide us with a deeper understanding of her.

      For me, I assumed that she targeted Tae-hee for her revenge because she’s the only one she can touch. Kinda like, I can’t control anything in my life so here’s one thing I can control. And maybe she feels like Tae-hee took something from her, which is of course not true and not Tae-hee’s fault. I feel bad for Tae-hee but I also know Soo-ji will get her comeuppance. I just wish she’ll continue to be human, and not just a sniping bitch or how usual second female leads are written.

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        She targets tae hee because she wants ki young to be desperate to have what he can’t have [assumed that sihyun has tae hee full affection], she also takes the naive girl to make ki young can’t get what he wants [assumed he’ll talk her about not marrying kiyoung]

        It’s not about the only one she can touch, she specifically chooses the one that kiyoung will marry and the one that kiyoung love,
        if she only touches what she can touch easily, she will no befriend go kyung jo just to know how to befriend the naive girl,

        It’s not about taking control of the only things she can control because both of the action just make kiyoung desperate rather than liking her/controlled by her, her mum constantly show that she’ll give everything for her, her friend always make time for her, her friend did what she wants and she has the freedom to be what she wants if she really means it,

        she gets hurt because of kiyong rejection, it because of her pride and ego

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          Thank you for explaining it! This makes so much sense. I was way off heh

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    I like it when the prickly ice princesses turn good – like the crazy SL girl in Protect The Boss who became the BFF. That was fun. Just doesn’t happen often enough…

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      We rarely get interesting second female leads so it’s nice when someone doesn’t fit the mold! Either by being mature and not wreaking havoc in other people’s lives or when the second female lead is the exact same opposite of that but she’s interesting and still vulnerable and human.

      I hope we get more interesting second female leads in kdramaland.

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    Right? And I don’t know why I keep seeing comments about how Sooji is manipulating her besties, as if they don’t have agency and minds of their own, and are not being complicit in agreeing to this deal. They too are overlooking the gravity of their actions, which they (or at least Sihyun) is beginning to realise and question.

    And Sooji doesn’t only have her mind on her revenge plot, too. When she first suggested it and Sihyun said he’s out, she was upset but she also expressed concern that something happened to him family-wise.

    She’s also clearly in a different family situation despite her family being broken like Sihyun and Sejoo’s. At least the latter two families are still very powerful, whereas she witnessed the complete breakdown of her father’s business and life. It wasn’t the hospital’s precarious financial standing that took a toll on her, it was the fact that her mother chose to save the hospital and have her family break apart. So her revenge may seem very self-centred, but it’s part of her coping mechanism, which I really want to see her overcome, instead of using it to judge her personality.

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      it’s the demand and supply contradiction, soo ji is aspiring to break tae hee, ki young and ki young’s fiancee to feed up her anger when what anger her is her mum and her family situation, even ki young is her mum’s involvement,

      si hyun offered her love and commitment and she rejects him,
      se joo offered her time and run after her yet she hides from him,
      people who see this happening from time to time will think that it’s not worth it because she only thinks of herself,
      they aren’t just a new friend they are the friend for a long time, albeit they actually like her romantically,
      Soo ji is actually the most beneficial out of the scenario, if she changes, people will love her with the guys,
      if her revenge plan works, she as the character will get what she wants,

      What I want to do is explain why people repelled by her now, it because both of the guys show that they care, multiple times yet she keeps wanting more and more without her doing things for them,
      it’s unhealthy and if all those time they were together it was never fixed then how the future can be bright?

      it’s rationale for them to notice it now and complaint about sooji and not when they don’t complain about the male lead, both should get the complaint.

      Even if the friend has agency, they both also love her and wants her, they chose to do that and the audience doesn’t want them to do it anymore because the audience [now] thinks that it will bad for the future and if she changes the audience will change too,
      she knows what she did, that’s why she doesn’t tell sejoo about the actual bet and keep pressing sihyun relationship with tahee even when he gives up.

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        I guess I just have a different view on things. For one, I’m not mad at Soo-ji for rejecting Shi-hyun. Simply because I understand her. She’s afraid of losing this very important thing she has so she doesn’t dare do anything different. Also, if the parentals in this show are any indication, I’d also be super wary of going into a relationship that could just be wrecked by their families. Shi-hyun and Se-joo are Soo-ji’s pillars so she wants to keep it that way. I know, for those on Team Shi-hyun, this is irritating because she’s the one who rejected him. And while I was also sad that Soo-ji did that, I’m not mad at her because I understand her and how she thinks and operates. She hid from Se-joo because she’s surprised and hurt and wants to be alone? I don’t know, she’s also entitled to her own feelings?

        Also, I don’t think it’s Soo-ji’s fault that she’s the boss in this trio’s relationship because they made her be too?

        I don’t think Soo-ji only thinks of herself. She’s been shown to care for them and she’s even righteous and indignant for them. But you are right that they enable her too so they’re all at fault. I don’t want everyone to love Soo-ji, I know that’s impossible. I’m also fine that people hate her because we all have different thresholds for who’s a likable and an unlikable character. I just want people to also see that she’s NOT THE ONLY ONE who’s at fault here. Maybe she’s the major stockholder but like you said, enabling also doesn’t help.

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          she is not the only that wrong but people emphasised her because she is the instigator,

          > She hid from Se-joo because she’s surprised and hurt and wants to be alone? I don’t know, she’s also entitled to her own feelings?

          I am not even team sihyun to defends him.
          If you remember the convo,
          she said she was embarrassed to admit the bet
          “I felt embarrassed, that’s why.
          I’m already embarrassed that my mom’s getting married.
          What else should I say? My mom’s getting married for money, but I value my pride, so I made a wager?”
          —- sihyun asked why it embarrassed her? she can’t answer it, se jo knows they like each other,
          —-Why are you saying that? Why feel embarrassed around us?
          then she guilts trip him with this question
          “Do you know how I feel? You have no worries at all”
          —-
          “Only I have to suffer being sandwiched between them two.
          That’s why I’m overreacting like this! – Listen to me. – I don’t care now.
          Whether they get married or not, what my mom does to you is not my concern anymore. Don’t try to comfort me or pretend that you understand. Don’t do anything!”
          —- Can’t you just… believe in how I feel? Eun Tae Hee…has nothing to do with us.
          “She does now. I see it in your eyes.”
          —- What does she have to do with us? What do you see?
          “You were worried about her” –
          —– Why would I be? I forgot about her moving day. You know that. I got riled up and left because… you told me to go after her if I were worried.
          She never answers the question, you can say that she is confusing and full of sadness but she did this since ep 1, she never answer anything but demand people to know it

          sihyun said he’ll be there, just accept his sincerity
          —- I won’t make you feel sad… or depressed anymore.
          My dad will treat you well.
          And if they’re happy together, that’s what’s important.
          You don’t have to be concerned. You can do whatever you want to do.
          Is that still not enough?
          she deflected by asking about him, where is him and when he gives his answer, she still didn’t answer if it’s enough

          it’s not about her being entitled to her feeling, it about her using the guy’s feeling because she knows she can while not knowing any answer or can’t accept her feeling, she only stops being angry after he agrees with her, she was afraid that also stubborn and using guilt trip,
          she is guilt tripping the guy to comply, that’s why people are riled up, the guy accepts her scheme with the intention of pleasing her, she isn’t,
          in her speech, is mostly me, me and me while being showered with affection, demand other to follow her but still complain that no one understands her,
          don’t you think what she wants is actually Ki Young? that’s why she can’t accept sihyun? she likes him but is it as much as Ki Young? just like that teacher, she destroys people that rejected her with people that care about her, fully knowing that these people care about her, wanting more since years ago, don’t give it but also possessive towards them?

          > Also, I don’t think it’s Soo-ji’s fault that she’s the boss in this trio’s relationship because they made her be too?
          it’s not about who is the boss but people have to acknowledge that she has the most power because the guys love her romantically, she is the boss because they want her to be happy and not that she knows best. So any relationship is okay even if it one-sided as long as one of them is happy? se joo was never feel truly happy.

          The reason sooji get called manipulative is that she did it to sihyun knowingly to make him do what she wants, she only stops getting angry until sihyun give up, she even unbelts before the car stop to make sihyun worry about her and accept her demands, if that’s not manipulative, Idk what it is,

          she messes up tae hee move-in for her plot, she lied to like go kyung joo for her plot, she makes sejoo comes whenever she needs him [eat and dinner with barbeque, she hides from him when he runs after her, she wants to destroy kiyoung’s heart, she befriends the naive girl because that will destroy ki young,

          people also call sihyun manipulative but towards tae hee, he never does that to sooji,

          you confused 2 statement, sihyun isn’t manipulative towards soo ji but tae hee and soo ji is manipulative towards sihyun, sejoo , tae hee, ki youn, kyoung too, the naive girl–> that’s how the conclusion being made about soo ji being manipulative get said many people,
          there is sincerity in soo ji, no one deny it but most often, she only wants what she wants and use other people to get it.

          TLDR : the reason I reply
          1) People blaming soo ji the most because she hurt other characters for her own gain despite the rejection, the loss of house, the fake friendship and how she didn’t accept the other character’s affection

          2) People didn’t only blame soo ji, many are saying the same for sihyun attitude towards taehee,

          3) If you compare the quantity of the manipulative behaviour and the quantity of her guilt trip to her friend,
          it only logical that many people react the opposite of her, this is just by probability,
          one will get a bad feeling from tae hee house-changing, sihyun rejection and sejoo lack of acceptance while other will only get one complaint, ex: tahee to sihyun,

          your post comes from the frustration, what you see is people blaming soo ji but it happens because of the quantity, she did wrong to many more,
          people are also blaming sihyun but only for what he did for tae hee, the reason this was levelled down also another essay-esque but trigger the most by his monologue at the end of ep 8, that he indeed put some sincerity on tae hee,
          also it depends on your platform, in my observation #soojiqueen is way more than #manipulative sooji, especially out of dramabeans,
          rest assure, people love soo ji more than what you think

          you understand soo ji pain so what do you think of her wish that hasn’t been offered to her and what her reason to not having it?

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            Thank you for being so into this discussion! I was shocked by the length of your comment. And how evidence-based it was with the lines! Anyway…

            Oh, I’m happy to read that people are actually blaming Shi-hyun too! Because I haven’t seen any. My frustration was with what I was seeing. So yes at what you said that it definitely depends on the platform. I didn’t rant about this on Twitter because the tweets I see about it (thank you, mutuals) have been okay. Although I hate it when they blame Tae-hee because she is innocent in here and did nothing wrong.

            Anyway, as for what you said about Soo-ji being manipulative, I don’t discount that. She is indeed an “unlikable” character. And I’m not trying to convince you to like her. Just that, I see all of that, yes. Her deflecting, ooh, a classic move to know what the other person feels or thinks first before sharing her own. Not believing Shi-hyun’s feelings? Common among people who have trust and self-worth issues. So in some instances, I don’t see her actions as being manipulative. This girl is made up of walls and wires and hurtful and unhealthy coping mechanisms.

            So in my mind, this is how I see her actions. And understand her. Understanding her doesn’t mean that I exempt her from all the bad things she did. Understanding her doesn’t mean that I’m defending her saying that she’s nice and all that. (Although I do think she cares about Se-joo too. She always tells him to get home early and to not get in trouble.) I know she’s not your typical kind, nice person. But I also think (maybe it’s just me and @purpleteapot), that she CAN be unlikable and a bitch or bad. Sure, people would find it hard to understand her and empathize with her but we just wish more people could. Could see beneath her coping mechanisms.

            That’s all. We’re just wishing by trying to provide another outlook into her whole character. Your reactions to her character, and a lot of people too, are very warranted. I accept that. I’m not actively trying to convince people to like her. I’m just stating what I think and maybe I’m also wrong (Who knows? Maybe the writer will make her get a lobotomy and she’ll end up one-dimensional, I hope not) but I’m just sharing another possible look at her character so maybe some other people could see or empathize even just a bit with her. Or even just give Soo-ji a second thought.

            That’s all.

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      @purpleteapot YES YES YES I was expecting you to chime in here and I’m so happy you did and that you have such insightful thoughts!

      I’m so mad when people are mad at ONLY Soo-ji. I mean, Shi-hyun AGREED to it. HE’S DOING IT. He chose to do it so WHY Y’ALL JUST HATING HER AND HER ONLY

      I KNOW that Soo-ji’s revenge is not good. It’s not like I’m blindly defending her. I just want people to see that she’s not the only one at fault here.

      I am also such a sucker for the broken-people-from-broken-families thing, especially if the person ends up lashing out at the world or pushing everyone out. It makes for a very interesting character to me. My mom once got mad at me because in Baker King Kim Tak-goo, I was on the side of the villain played by Joo Won. Anyway, I also want to see Soo-ji overcoming everything, from learning how to trust people and to letting them in.

      The revenge is indeed a coping mechanism and it sounds like an excuse but it’s true to life! Sometimes we hurt people, even the ones closest to us, to prevent being hurt. Or to cope from being hurt. We know it’s wrong but in our little minds, it can be justified. Also, I also want Soo-ji to get her comeuppance with this BUT ALSO FOR THE BOYS. I’d hate to see it if ever Soo-ji is the only one crucified down the line.

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        I was expecting you to chime in here and I’m so happy you did and that you have such insightful thoughts

        🙈🙈 #SaveSooji2k18Club

        But really, though, I don’t like that either Sooji or Taehee (on other sites at least) are being blamed more, or blamed exclusively, for the situation. Is it a subconscious gender double standard? That somehow, questionable actions from male characters are less criticised than even milder behaviour from female characters? It’s definitely something I’ve observed in real life situations as well.

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          That’s what I think though. We’re so accustomed with male leads (first or second) getting better or nicer that we’re so forgiving of them because, ~by the rules of storytelling~, he’ll experience character growth. We are so very patient with them.

          But not with females. And YES, this is true in real life too. Women are demonized for far less, meanwhile, men get away with everything, most of the time.

          I think I’m also being stubborn about defending Soo-ji (maybe the better term is explaining or giving the character justice and understanding and patience) because I want people to see this subconscious gender double standard going on. Heh.

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    I think it because of the time and the constant things that soo ji wants and demands,
    in the case of jerk male lead, they usually met with the girl just suddenly [in case tae hee and si hyun], therefore there is reason to believe that this time he will get his head straight,

    in case of soo ji and si hyun, she demands him to do irrational things to prove his love for her,
    and with the way she said it’s the 1st time he is angry at her because of the plate, it means that they are enabling her,

    every relationship usually has a time off to ticked the reaction, the past 2 ep is full of people praising her despite anything and full backstory but if it keeps happening, people will feel that it’s enough,

    soo ji content is abundant now, that’s why people responded a lot since it feels like si hyun had done everything for her yet it’s not enough for her to even accept his gesture of affection, they’ve been friend forever and she also hides from sejoo, isn’t that means it’s the time for her to learn the tough love,

    if she changes which means development from her character, then people will changes their reaction too,
    with soo ji, you love her and that’s why you want to defend her but if you place yourself as the fan of sihyun and sejoo, you’ll keep asking yourself “how long I should endure it”

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      Hm, I don’t think that loving a character means defending her against all better judgment. @whoopeeyoo did mention that Sooji’s revenge is misdirected.

      But if we do assume that liking a character means we let go of some of their faults, couldn’t the same be said of any viewer who likes Sihyun and Sejoo very much? That they may be more willing to blame Sooji and side with the boys, seeing them mainly as victims in Sooji’s plot rather than people who made active choices to participate in it?

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        > couldn’t the same be said of any viewer who likes Sihyun and Sejoo very much?

        what I mean is that you need to see both sides, the complaint about soo ji being manipulative is a complaint about the friendship to work better, to stop enabling her destructive behaviour and come clean with what they want,
        viewers who like sihyun and sejoo very much didn’t shield them from bad things that they did but wish for good things, that they change and see soo ji without their love glasses,
        face it, soo ji does inflict pain on her friend, people see the beaten expression of sihyun when she rejects him from time to time,
        people see se joo dejected face when what she doesn’t appreciate him,
        and people know that it doesn’t mean that soo ji is being nice to them,

        > That they may be more willing to blame Sooji and side with the boys, seeing them mainly as victims in Sooji’s plot rather than people who made active choices to participate in it?

        because soo ji force sihyun to be active in it, sihyun has said his opposition 2 times and both times soo ji does something manipulative and forceful because she knows how to make them do it,
        by offering marriage in the table and running in the middle of the road asking for love commitment,
        does sihyun wants this revenge? no
        does she accept when sihyun said no? no
        she wants what she wants,

        People still commenting that sihyun and sejoo is a jerk to taehee and go kyung jo but in the case of sooji so they don’t let them go either.

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          Sihyun was the one who proposed the marriage as a way to stop their parents from getting married, Sooji did not twist his arm into proposing to her and then reject him for proposing. To some extent, Sihyun likes Sooji, but he is also using the marriage as a way to shield himself from certain things he doesn’t want.

          I know you’re very impassioned about this situation, but please don’t use language like “face it”, because I don’t have the illusion that Sooji is somehow completely innocent and the boys aren’t completely at fault or aren’t hurt by her actions. Like @whoopeeyoooo, I’m not pushing the blame away from Sooji, I’m simply trying to point out that she is not the only one at fault.

          And I know her reluctance to accept the boys hurts them because they like her, but the episodes so far have built up quite a compelling portrayal of why she’s afraid to commit to a romantic relationship with either of them, because it risks the relationships she relies most on. So I wish more people would understand her, even if they didn’t agree with her actions.

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            Also, Soo-ji rejected the marriage because she wants something real and not something they were forced to do to win in this situation. Even though Shi-hyun said that it’s not that, everyone knows that even if he likes her, the marriage is a ploy and a move. Even if the feelings are real. Because they would have never even thought about getting married at that age even if they like or even love each other.

            Yes, @xiaojingyan, @purpleteapot and I just want people to acknowledge that Soo-ji is not the only one at fault. I know you acknowledge it so thank you. Maybe I just keep on seeing Soo-ji haters but don’t see people thinking Shi-hyun and Se-joo are doing wrong. My original post (and subsequent comments) was to hopefully make those people think about that. If you already do think that everyone’s at fault, then that’s good! That’s what I was pushing for. I agree that she’s the instigator and maybe she gets the major share of the blame and that’s okay with me. I just want people to acknowledge that she’s not the ONLY one to blame. (Also, I wish I see those comments blaming Shi-hyun and Se-joo as well. Hehe.)

            I also wish more people understood her but that’s even a more difficult battle to take on. Years ago I wouldn’t have understood Soo-ji too so our own experiences (actual or even those we lived through vicariously) would also reflect how much empathy or understanding we could lend to an “unlikable” character.

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            > Sooji did not twist his arm into proposing to her and then reject him for proposing.

            she rejects his proposal and then uses it to make her revenge plan comes true, she uses his weaknesses to get what she wants, she uses his wish to marry as a leverage to comply in her revenge plot.
            She can just refuse the marriage proposal and use other reason to make them agree in the revenge
            but no, she didn’t, she knows that will get sihyun and she also did it this ep when she runs in the road, she knew that if she cries, promise love and said that he doesn’t understand her, he’ll do it. If she gets angry and stops talking, he’ll do it for her.

            > So I wish more people would understand her, even if they didn’t agree with her actions.
            the only big opposition is happening in dramabeans, the translation site about drama, streaming site, people love soo ji, people understand her,

            did you think to say her as manipulative means didn’t understand her?

            her content is abundant and her reception in the 1st week for things that she did is overwhelmingly positive,
            the reason people get mad at her now is precisely sihyun’s line
            “is that not enough?”

            she wants something real and he said he’ll give it [love] but she refuse the chance,
            she doesn’t want to risk the relationship but also refuses sihyun idea to just be the sibling or stay in the status quo + forget tae hee, just live like now then what she does? she gets angry because she can’t get her plan,
            Si hyun already said that let just live like this, she didn’t accept it.

            I think you guys don’t see the contradiction that makes people didn’t root for her,
            you see her in rosy glasses as a girl with unhealthy coping mechanism [every emotion is a defence mechanism against stress anyway], another people see her as someone who does what she wants as the coping mechanism and hurt more people in the process,

            no one complains about “the poor sooji feeling” they understand her situation, that was especially abundant in the last week,
            the complaint is her action that hurt others, her tactic to make sihyun comply,
            you keep focusing on how people don’t see her true self when what people complaint is how she deliberately get angry too long to make sihyun did something, there’s a day between sihyun opposing the revenge and the running in the street yet she still can’t use another reasoning other than “you don’t understand me”, because it works,

            I am replying to provide the other context regarding how people didn’t hate sooji as much as the original post claim, they dislike her for what she did but still also spouting hail queen to her in many another platform,
            what you want is for people to focus on her heartbreak to see the situation when she is the one that gets all her wish come true,
            sihyun loves her -> check
            sihyun does the revenge -> check
            se joo doesn’t involve but helps –> check
            if someone hits you, you can get angry even when understanding their reasoning —> that’s what people did, understand but dislike it because it already hurts people,

            that’s all

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            @xiaojingyan Oh okay, I was talking about what I see on Dramabeans. I don’t even know how the discussion fares on streaming sites so that’s definitely not included in what I was saying.

            Yeah, I admit of course that I like her so I have my own rose-colored glasses. Hehehe. And okay, I might have been wrong on thinking that people who dislike her do not understand her. So if they understand her and dislike her, that’s okay with me. Because they took the time to think about her character more than the usual second female lead stereotype. Like I said previously, that’s warranted. Par for the course. You don’t have to remind me of my rose-colored glasses because I’m also aware that I’m giving her a lot of leeway because I love the character. Which, my original point was, if we can love male characters who are like this, then surely, I can do the same with their female counterparts. So that’s what I’m doing.

            I really like/love her character though. Because it’s interesting and something that we don’t see often in kdramaland.

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    i mean, soo ji IS different from typical female lead or second lead . but im wondering if shipping her with an equally damage male lead will make a positive different in any way. they drag an innocent woman into their games. yeah, sure their sexual chemisty is great. we can smell them from miles away. but does sexual chemistry alone enough to build a solid and long lasting relationship?

    and the reason im debating about this because im seeing comment that BLAMING tae hee for a something started by soo ji herself . how does that girl to be blame for anything? for her going to ruin the dream ship between sooji and shiyun?

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      I like Sooji but I don’t ship her with Sihyun, because I agree that chemistry doesn’t mean compatibility. I’m just replying to say I’m surprised that there are viewers blaming Taehee for the situation. I don’t recall seeing such comments on Dramabeans, thankfully, but that is indeed a very illogical conclusion to draw.

      If something is testing the friendship, it’s probably the upcoming marriage (between Sooji’s mum and Sihyun’s dad) plus the revenge plot (unintentionally) and how it’s going to make the trio realise their feelings for each other.

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      I actually like Tae-hee and Shi-hyun together. Although I wanted Shi-hyun to sweat more so I was kinda disappointed that she immediately liked him back. (Also, it means there’s gonna be so much angst since they went fluffy and cute early out.)

      Anyway, I just want Soo-ji and Shi-hyun more. Good for you, @purpleteapot, that you don’t ship them. Hahaha! I know it’s problematic shipping something that is so toxic but I guess I just have a different ~definition~ of shipping. I just want to see them together, I’m not in here wishing them a solid and long-lasting relationship. I guess I just want them to acknowledge the chemistry and then do something about it! Instead of this, whatever they’re doing. Either get over it or what.

      I’ve seen some comments on Twitter about Tae-hee being the “destroyer” of the trio’s friendship and that’s just unfair because she didn’t ask to be dragged into this web Soo-ji and her friends made. I’m no hater of Tae-hee, I just want some more love for Soo-ji. Heh.

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Do Kyung-soo (EXO\’s D.O.) + Nam Ji-hyun + Kim Sun-ho IN A DRAMA IN SEPTEMBER I AM LIVING

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I reviewed Let\’s Eat on my blog! http://dayan.xyz/2018/03/20/kdrama-review-lets-eat/

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I realized a thing. I actually just ship Soo-ji (Moon Ga-young) with EVERYONE. I even want her to be real friends with Kyung-joo. Also, Tae-hee already likes Shi-hyun? I wanted him to sweat more HAHA

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So I just finished watching the first episode of My Husband Oh Jak-doo and I think I can put up with the things I don\’t like when UEE and Kim Kang-woo have that chemistry together~

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    I’m getting really curious about this drama. People seem to be saying good things. I’ll have to check it out!

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      Ikr? If this drama keep getting positive review until the last eps, I might end up marathoning it. I love me some heartwarming weekend drama.

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        Me too! I tried Shall We Live Together and I think I prefer Oh Jak-doo. Also, it doesn’t hurt that it only has 24 episodes! Definitely going to be easy to marathon too if ever.

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      I tried it because people have been saying it’s good!

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    I actually am finding a lot to love. They really aren’t spending overmuch time on people I don’t like (it just feels like forever!).
    But those two together? The chemistry and their stories, they’re perfect. My favorites of that neither one is trying to change the other personality. She’s accepting of him as a country bumpkin and he accepts her strength. It’s a sweet couple.

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I just blogged about my thoughts on the second to fourth episode of That Man Oh Soo! http://dayan.xyz/2018/03/17/checking-in-on-that-man-oh-soo-evergreen-episodes-2-4/

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    WHAT SORCERY IS THIS? HAVE I BEEN DRINKING THAT MAGIC POLLEN?

    Hahaha. That’s basically what I am thinking too. Not a great show by any means, but I keep going back and not even realizing that the epi has ended. LOL. There are times I wanted to correct Jonghyun’s expressions and wanted to ask him to be less awkward, but I’m so willing to let him pass on it. That’s when I started to believe that I have drank that magical pollen.

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      Yes on wanting to correct some of his expressions! I also think “Jong-hyun, you should have portrayed this like this but I already understand what you’re trying to do so it’s okay”. Hahaha! Meanwhile, Kim So-eun is just so at ease and everything looks like a walk in the park for her. I can’t say that I can’t wait for the next episodes but I’m honestly looking forward to it too. Even if it’s just two hours a week of a brainless and enjoyable activity. Hahaha

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        Jonghyun did better in each epi as he was quite stiff in epi 1. I think all of CNBlue members still need a good PD who can direct them regardless that their roles are pretty easy. Yonghwa for example was pretty decent in The Package since he had a good PD, but he might turn stiff back in the future, who knows. They have the basic, but you can’t trust them to approach their characters alone – they are just not there yet. Jonghyun especially looks green here since other actors are better than him, he might not look to green if other actors are same level with him I guess. Kim Soeun is doing a role that a piece of cake for her, even in action scenes she looks comfortable doing it. Her acting might not mind blowing, but she has a sufficient amount of emotions required for each scene – not exeggerating and not understating and she is pretty consistent too. I keep thinking she deserves better drama, but it also doesn’t make me less enjoying this drama either. Which is kinda strange LOL.

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          I think she deserves a better drama too, to be honest. But I like seeing her together with Jonghyun in this show too so I’m not entirely sad for her career. Hahaha! Hope she gets a meatier role next time!

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Short review of the drama special Queen of the Ring starring Kim Seul-gi: http://dayan.xyz/2018/03/13/kdrama-review-queen-of-the-ring/ (I miss her so much HUHUHU)

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    I really liked that short series- I guess I empathise with the female lead.

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    I left a comment, but I don’t know if WordPress ate it. I had a hard time logging into my WP account, so something might have gone wrong.

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      Oh no! I think WP ate it because I don’t see anything. Huhuhuhu. But thank you for dropping by!

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      Oh, wait! It went into spam! It’s here! Will reply there!

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        I hate wordpress, but I also hate google blogger where I have my (now un-updated) blog. The problems I had with spam not going to the spam folder, then they updated the algorithm and EVERYTHING went to spam..

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          My book blog back then was on Blogger and the only thing I like is how easily customizable it is and the ability to embed javascript like Rafflecopter for giveaways.

          But I like WordPress so much better. I’m surprised it put you on spam because this is the first time (which means I don’t get a lot of comments and that’s true).

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