Myung-wol the Spy unable to complete shoot, to air special

1 firsttimenewbie

August 14, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Ryuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry. I had to respond to that picture.

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Yeah I know a Ryu/MW pairing was not going to happen since the very beginning, even though I REALLY wanted to (its more of a compelling story than her and eric anyways) so that's why I stopped watching :(

August 14, 2011 at 8:57 PM

I did read the recap. :) Do I have hope and some kind of an inkling that it [i]might[/i] turn out in Ryu's favor? Yes. (Though after all this RL drama, who knows)

But that's always overtaken by the realistic expectation that he's NOT going to get her in the end.

But that being said, while watching the episodes I did watch and reading the last two recaps, there are serious inklings I've gotten that it might go in Ryu's favor. Which is not what I feel with other second leads.

But again, my realistic expectations of K Dramas comes back. So I call it hope against hope.

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msim

August 14, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Same thing here: so much more interesting between MW/Ryu, huge potential there wasting away.

I gave up this show after the spoiled bratty star slapped her - no actually I gave up on the show the episode right after, when Show completely failed to make him pay for/or even addressed what he had done.

I'm not judging HYS...we've all taken sick days.
Plus working in a hostile environment all day, every day has its toll even when you are in the best of health.

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MeeisLee

August 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Am I the only one who wants to see Ryu with In Ah ? I think it would be hilarious :p.

Sry... can someone translate this....i must be reading it wrong?

http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=106&oid=076&aid=0002135492

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f1yh1gh10

August 15, 2011 at 8:46 AM

i agree so much with you!
who are we to say she's irresponsible or not?
geez, she is a professional actress, and it's not like this is her first drama..i doubt she'd be doing this on purpose to make her own drama go down.
there must be a reason for her to not show up..
as for the "the rest of the cast and crew showed up", well, may i mention that han ye seul gets a LOT more screentime than the others?

August 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM

@Oh Ji Ho's

You maybe right but I don't know I still think something better could have been done or she should at the very least speak up. I am not biased on either side I was just giving my opinion

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blokkoms

August 15, 2011 at 9:52 AM

THIS:

http://koalasplayground.com/2011/08/15/spy-myung-wol-to-replace-han-ye-seul-who-has-left-korea-for-los-angeles/

Holy crap.

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Cynthia

August 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM

OMG - I just read this over at Playground!

Who woulda thunk this could happen?! I don't know whether to be impressed or appalled by her!

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Shiku

August 15, 2011 at 11:57 AM

I am apalled at her as a lot of jobs are on the line but on the other hand this is hilarious there should make a drama on this

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amg01

August 15, 2011 at 11:47 AM

*Han Ye-seul v.s. Confucius*

While a woman is vilified by the media, and accused unjustly, the reality of cultural prejudice, and sexism rear their ugly head, and once again we see the ugly face of the Korea that locals do not want for the rest of the world to see.

Korea's final ending of their “slave” culture did not end until 1930's even when slavery was abolish with the Gabo Reform of 1894, what we have here is the cruel reality of what “Neo-Confucian Philosophy” has done for Korean society. Confucius promote woman not only as a second class citizen, but even lesser than that, while putting man up on a pedestal of authority.

To say that slavery has ended in Korea is an Oxymoron. While legally slavery was abolish in 1894, the traces of that culture are still very present in Korean society till this very day.

I am most fascinated again, about the reaction of woman when it comes to this issues, have we not come this far? Are “Woman's rights” so absent in the Korean culture, that a woman needs to be malign to the point of loosing her career, and reputation because she dare to stands against the establishment? Where are the voices of modern feminist woman? Why all the silence?

The reality is much darker and heinous that we will like to confront, while Koreans pride themselves of a “High Moral standard of work ethic,” they should also pride themselves about having one the highest percentages of “Suicide” among developing nations. As the old adage has confirm once again, “Koreans cannot have their cake and eat it too.”
At the end of the day something has to give, and in Korea the high mortality incidents due to suicide, is clear proof that there is something inherently wrong with their culture.
The saddest part about it is the amount of people that clothe themselves with a veil of Confucian self righteousness, and dare to cast the “First Stone,” or dare to pluck their neighbors stick of wood from their eyes while leaving the log in their own eyes.

I think you just prove my point, Korea not only have a "High Rate," is one of the leading nations around the world when it comes to suicide per capita.

Again trying to equate "professionalism with maltreatment," is down right idiotic, and naive, maybe your response reflects your background, if you believed that what the Korean Industry does to their worker is the right thing to do, is fine with me, Just do not complain or sweep under the rug, the reality that hundreds of people are dying every year in Korea due to suicide, something that has been promoted by their out dated "Philosophy of life," otherwise. how do you justified the suicide rate in Korea. since South Korea is not a third world nation?

I do respect your opinion, but I feel that your facts may come short of a proper apology...Feel free to try again!

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amg01

August 15, 2011 at 12:51 PM

*Edit*.....By the way "Third World Nations," by enlarge have the least amount suicide per capita....I guess at the end "Money cannot buy love."

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Shiku

August 15, 2011 at 2:33 PM

@Amg1
Why do I need to apologize to you when I haven't said anything wrong?

"Again trying to equate “professionalism with maltreatment,” is down right idiotic, and naive, maybe your response reflects your background, if you believed that what the Korean Industry does to their worker is the right thing to do, is fine with me, Just do not complain or sweep under the rug, the reality that hundreds of people are dying every year in Korea due to suicide, something that has been promoted by their out dated “Philosophy of life,” otherwise. how do you justified the suicide rate in Korea. since South Korea is not a third world nation?"

Let me rephrase even though Korea has horrible working conditions, it would have been better if she would have finished the job and sued the company, KBS, PD for breach of contract, unsafe working conditions instead of leaving the country. I am coming from the perspective that her actions affect other people's livelihoods. I don't know why you think am justifying unsafe working conditions or high suicide rates. I am not I think it is sad that it make people think that suicide is their only hope.

Let me ask you, what have you done to rectify the situation? Have you boycotted the shows with toxic working conditions, lead protests, written to the KBS and the other companies to try and hold them accountable? I say all this because it only takes one person to lead the charge and just maybe things can change.

"What Koreans are doing to Han Ye-seul, as they try to portray her as the “Bad” girl, and destroying her career in the name of proprietress, and cultural submission. IMHO is nothing short of the fate that African-Americans, suffer in the American South."

I still do not agree with the above statement. Firstly they do not need to portray her as a bad girl as she is pretty damaging her own reputation through her own actions so far. Secondly I still do not see how the consequences of one's own actions is similar to what generations of hate or prejudice African Americans go through where you are hated just because of the amount of melanin you have in your body.

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eliza

August 15, 2011 at 9:56 PM

all the best for HYS- if running away is the best option to be heard on your society, go for it.I salute you for your guts!!!!

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Laeah

August 15, 2011 at 12:59 PM

So because we are women, we should blindly support any woman?

This is BS.

I'm so sick of feminist who instead of wanting equal rights want to vilify men.

Thanks for stereotyping Koreans once again. Not every woman has to go out into the work force to be happy and fulfilled. It's a different culture. If you don't like it, don't watch Kdramas or have anything to do with Korea.

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amg01

August 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM

@Laeah... By the way I am not a Girl, I am a guy to happens to like Koran dramas.

So seems that now you are the one who is vilifying me, for standing on the side of what I believe to be right, but that is cool with me : 0 }.

Unfortunately neither you nor Shiku, seems to understand that Korea is not perfect, and as a society like the rest of the world, have things that are not right at all.

As you can see my comments are made in the general sense base upon the data the neither you 2 girls can refute, but maybe at the end of the day you think that suicide is OK! So who am I to argue with you than?

As for the Han Ye-seul debacle you are full of "Bullsh*t,"
I can guarantee, that you where not in the same room nor you are privy to any inside information on this matter, even when you claim otherwise, what is know is what the Media Heads wants us to know, other than that all the comments that you have posted are just conjecture. So stop pretending that you know something that we do not know, since your insistence only make you look pathetic and idiotic.

I know, I know, people now are going to gimme me a hard time because since now you know I am I guy, it looks that now I am bullying you, and while is OK for the rest of you to bully Han Ye-seul In absentia, it is not cool for me as a guy to bully you.

I hope that you can see the "Double standard," I am glad and proud to stand for woman's rights even at the risk of being criticized by woman like you...Cheers....

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Ani

August 15, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Amg1,

Shouldn't everyone hold back on the name calling? Pointing out someone is being idiotic, naive and pathetic kind of takes the fire out of your argument and puts people off, and leads to further name calling. I've once called someone a moron on DB in the heat of the moment, and trust me, even I thought I was in the wrong. What happened to "refute the opponent's argument, don't attack the opponent"?

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Shiku

August 15, 2011 at 2:59 PM

I do not know why you think I think that Korea is perfect society. I never said that nor did Laeah say that. No have we ever said that suicide is okay. I honestly don't know why you equate women who disagree with you (on whether she bears some responsibility for this mess) to not standing for women's rights. I am not bullying her. To bully someone you have to be invested in their downfall and I am not. Again, I do not take suicide rates in Korea or anywhere in the world lightly. I never have and never will

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amg01

August 15, 2011 at 3:37 PM

@Ani...You just prove my point.......All the people who come here, and the condemnation of the Korean public calling her a "Bitch," somehow is OK, but when I dare to call somebody, "Idiotic, naive and pathetic," than all of a sudden is not appropriated???????

Well I am glad that you are able to noticed your own double standard, and my name calling was done in purpose, and as you can see you lady's prove my point, we can hide behind a cyber-handle to malign other people but as soon as we are the ones being insulted, than all you little girls start crying foul!!!!!

OHHHHHH!!! The Humanityyyyyyyyy!!!!!!

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amg01

August 15, 2011 at 4:00 PM

@Shiku...I will be the first to acknowledged, that as an individual I am not doing absolutely nothing, concerning deplorable working conditions in Korea, nor I am doing anything to change the Suicide Culture in Korea, or the bad treatment as a whole(domestic violence) why?

Firstly, because I do not live in that nation.

Secondly, I have work with violent offenders, trying to stop Domestic Violence, and I have also volunteer, working with homeless people, and those who are incarcerated, in places that I have lived, what about you?

Thirdly, The only thing that I can do is to try to raise awareness, in blog like this, and if I can reached one person, whit something I have wrote, than that is the least I can do.

Fourthly, I clearly understand your point of view, I just happened to disagree with 90% of what you have said, on the contrary seems that you are the one who have totally missed the bigger picture, of what i was trying to convey, but I forgive you for that!!!!!! : 0}

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Laeah

August 15, 2011 at 4:11 PM

I never said Korea was perfect. I know there is a lot wrong with it. But the issue here has nothing to do with her being a woman, so frankly, I think it's silly to bring that into play.

I don't believe Korea is treats women perfectly, but never does any country 100% give equality to all people, no matter what race, age, gender. So, I don't see the point of bashing Koreans when for the most part, as individuals are not anti-women. In fact, a lot of women from my generations get treated like princesses (in a good way). It's just not as obvious since the cultural rules are not the same.

I also ave the right to express my opinions of her and this situation and I can keep commenting until JB feels that I've said something that has crossed the line and then I will stop.

I never said anything more than opinions I share with others. Did I ever say that I knew everything? Not really.

My conjecture is just the same as everyone's on this post. Everyone is conjecturing. I just happen to voice an unpopular opinion here, but every post here is on equal level when it comes to conjecture.

People who say poor her and still just as out of the loop as people who say she's doing it selfishly.

Did I once call her a name? No. I only repeated the words I HEARD about her. I'm simply saying what I believe happened. That is not trying to bash her. If she turns out innocent, I will be the first one to stand up and say I was wrong, but her behavior and inconsistencies in her statements, in my eyes, don't match up to that.

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Shiku

August 15, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Amg1

Bravo for the work you do helping incarcerated people, reducing domestic violence and helping in soup kitchens.

I haven't done anything as I have only recently realized the conditions they work in but am planning to but am not sure what. Petition maybe? The reason I asked this is because you seemed extremely invested in the situation.

Calling me “Idiotic, naive and pathetic" was pretty insulting but I did not reciprocate as I want to be the bigger person as I will gain nothing from insulting you.

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2 Fasiris Fay

August 14, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Hmmm. Not sure what I believe. But I'm not watching this anyway (gave up ages ago), even though I really wish they changed the system.

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3 Uca

August 14, 2011 at 7:55 PM

all that said, i wish she just aired her problems with MW to the public, because she's almost self-scapegoating by suddenly leaving korea like that.

me four! I know this isnt professionalism and the rest of the cast/crew have to suffer because of that, but you never know what really goes on, and if i remind myself of that BOF girl who died.. i'm generally on favor of actresses first. I still wish they go on with filming for everyone's sake.

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4 Yee

August 14, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Basing my opinion on that 1. she repeatedly ask for a lighter schedule, 2. wasn't given one, and 3. her health was deteriorating because of it, and 4. she outright said she was going to miss the shoot - she was absolutely justified in her actions. A person's health is more important than the entertainment of others.

"(Also: I say this because of the massive derail in the thread below, but let me just remind you to please, please keep things civil. Arguments fine, attacks not fine. Don’t make me come over there.)"

LOL. This is funny.

I'm not even watching this drama or reading the recaps but the fights re this are entertaining :)

Good luck with keeping the peace. ;)

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7 Stardust

August 14, 2011 at 7:58 PM

To be honest, if she was protesting the live shoot system, kudos I say! How many more illnesses, terrible accidents do we need? The agencies will push the stars, the broadcasters will push the crew, in the end who will be the ones to suffer? And who will stand up for their own rights?

We love to watch dramas, and we love our weekly doses, but if we love the people making the dramas, we should support a better system of delivery. I am sure she will get alot of heat for her actions from her agency, the studio so let's give her support if she was daring enough to do protest this horrid system!

Thanks javabeans for the update, I readily agree that this drama does not need an extension. Much as I really like watching Eric, and HYS, and now even that delicious Ryu, the storyline has been draggy for some episodes.

Let's pray that some good will come of this!

uckh. i wish i'd waited 'til it'd finished to start this one but i got suckered in. dammit. poor beleaguered show, poor beleaguered viewers.

can i ask, how come han yeseul's getting heat from netizens (as mentioned in the article)???

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Mia

August 14, 2011 at 8:46 PM

From what I understand of the situation,

Most of what has been stated in the form of actual "official statements" is from the PD and the drama production company. The things they have stated go a bit like...

"We have been waiting since 7 AM August 14th to shoot, everyone of the main leads is here, only Han hasn't come." (Which sounds like everyone is doing there job and waiting for her, who is not doing her job.)

They also mentioned she didn't show up on set for another day before the 14th (Again, doesn't look too good.)

And then, because she didn't arrive on the 15th, the company are threatening to sue her for contract violation.

When her company did release a statement they said something along the lines of: That she is tired, the shoot went two hours later then planned, she only had two hours of sleep, and health is more important.

Naturally, this doesn't look too good from the perspective of "netizens" who read right below that statement that their beloved Eric, the other two leads, and the whole drama production is already gathered and have been waiting for her for five some hours. In other words, 'If they are all making it through with their bad healthy and tiredness, why is she being the prima-donna and feeling herself exempt.'

I'm not taking a stance on whose right or wrong in this situation. I'm simply trying to answer the question of "Why Han Ye-seul is getting heat from netizens?" using the information I have read.

If I had to take a stance it would be this: If she is truly protesting the accident causing live-shoot system I would be completely for it, though I do believe, if that is indeed her intent, she should make that intent a bit more clear before the possibility of law suit becomes all too real, for her own sake.

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appie

August 15, 2011 at 1:24 AM

Very true. Though, her agency's statement did not help, it talks about her health but it doesn't cleared up all the misunderstandings, and never mentions her stance against live-shoot system, it could've help her cause and get her message across the public.

Seriously, I'm confused to whom I should side with, both parties's claims don't add up, therefore I'll try to stay neutral as possible =/

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Leona

August 15, 2011 at 4:05 AM

Eric isn't in 90% of the scenes like she is, he can sleep or at least stand by, while she is still filming

if you watch the drama you can see that after ep 4 she is all over the places and he's not

the crew doesn't have to be on screen after a white night, while she is

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renzillag

to answer the question of what netizens are upset about they feel she handled this unprofessionally, like a "diva"

August 14, 2011 at 8:51 PM

allkpop, while a brilliant website for the casual K-ent fan, if known for throwing a bit of turmoil in whenever there is a hot article.

Translations are fuzzy at best so it's better to check a second [translated] source.

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Laeah

August 14, 2011 at 9:15 PM

She didn't call in sick. She called and basically said she quit. It's a little different.

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UGHHH

August 14, 2011 at 8:25 PM

THANK YOU! She is not the only one working herself to the bone here. She, at least, gets to rest, in between shots, when she is not on screen, whereas the production people (i.e. wardrobe, make-up, lighting, sound, etc...) have to always be there. They could claim WORSE treatment then her!

Also, she signed the contract, she knew what she was getting into. No one pushed her. She didn't have to take the role. PLUS if she had a problem with the PD she should have backed out from the beginning.

The statement from the production company is very interesting:" A representative of the drama’s production company revealed, “Han Ye Seul and KBS are on completely different tracks, and it does not seem that the problem will be resolved any time soon.”

He continued, “Before debating who’s at fault, the broadcast is of the utmost priority here. It’s absolutely ridiculous that an emotional conflict between an actress and a producer is affecting the broadcast. If Han does not show up at the film set today, we will be charging her for obstruction of business.”

AN EMOTIONAL conflict has broken out and who has to pay? The people from the production company who just want to feed their families - forget the fans. But still, she is doing herself NO FAVORS. She has just made mad one of the bigger fandoms in KPop history - Shinhwa. That was a BAD, BAD thing to do. Very bad. I feel sorry for her.

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v

August 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Firstly, HYS is in almost every scene in the drama, more so than Eric is so I would expect her to be very worn out from all the live shooting. It doesn't give her an excuse to skip shooting, but if she does it must be something serious since she knows her reputation is at stake.

Secondly, it seems when she signed the contract one of the clauses was that she would only film 5 days a week and not past midnight. Expecting her to film everyday and/or till 5.30am and then be back and ready to film again at 7.30am is pushing it a bit eh?

Lastly, I think the production company/KBS are trying to sensationalize the whole issue. Who in the right mind would force the staff/crew to wait when the PD already knows HYS wouldn't be able to make it?!
For god's sake let the girl rest at least so she can at least give her best for filming.

@V, I'm sorry but in the response to the media from Sidus the rep said this: As reports said, it is true that she was also late for filming on August 12th. Yesterday, however, filming was scheduled to end at 2 AM but it ended at 5 AM instead If her schedule suppose to end at midnight, why would she go for the pre-scheduled 2AM ending that day? I am just confuse as where you all get HYS's not past midnight schedule from.

you can see Sidus' response here http://www.allkpop.com/2011/08/sidus-hq-explains-why-han-ye-seul-hasnt-shown-up-for-spy-myung-wol

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Aime

August 14, 2011 at 9:27 PM

heh, not sure how the whole thing got bold, I don't mean to make it stands out LOL sorry.....

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spark67

August 14, 2011 at 11:09 PM

If she did sign a contract that stipulated that she work only 5 days a week and NOT past midnight, and this contract was breached, the professional thing would be to contact KBS and call for a lawyer to sue the production/broadcast for a breach of contract. Why didn't she do this? This would prove to both the public that she was living up to her contractual obligations while the production/broadcasting company was NOT and she could have had the courts ensure the production/broadcast companies live up to their contractual obligations. And if that was really the major reason, why hasn't she made any public statements about why she opted out of going to the shoot? Regardless of what her reasons are, she should at least attempt to be professional in which a MAJORITY of actresses work under similar, if not worse conditions. I'm NOT saying that the current working conditions for actors/actresses is a good one. HOWEVER, while it's the only system in place for the 3 major networks, all the other actors/actresses work under the same conditions as HYS. They are equally tired, overworked, stressed, in poor health and rushed for time IN ADDITION to going off to shoot CFs and pose for fashion magazines. And what makes this even more interesting is that she's not a GREAT actress. Yes, she's OK - but we're not talking Jeon Ji Yeon category here. If we were, I might be tempted to be a little more sympathetic but I'm unconvinced that she's so great of an actress that she can start making unprofessional demands and get away with it. I assume that many Korean netizens feel the same way. Notice I didn't say it was FAIR. But perceptions usually come in when negative things start to happen and HYS did NOT handle this well - for herself or others around her.

In addition, there ARE more professional ways to protest what she considered "unjust treatment" than to just opt out of shooting. She is NOT the only actor involved and has put the rest of her cast and staff who are NOT involved in the so-called "spat" in limbo. Sorry, whichever way you look at it, NOT PROFESSIONAL, Han Ye Sul - not professional at all.

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snow

August 14, 2011 at 8:42 PM

hah? shinhwa fandom ain't all that. i like eric and minwoo, but jeez, let's not be high and mighty here. if han ye seul is doing this to protest the live shoot system and that changes for the better, is the shinhwa fandom going to love her instead of bashing her?

han ye seul is in pretty much every scene in myung-wol the spy, so i wouldn't say she's had a lot of time to rest anyway. besides, she's repeatedly asked for a lighter schedule even before filming for the drama began, but that obviously didn't work out. sure, the other actors are working just as hard - no doubt about that - but would you be happy only if han ye seul ends up another victim of the live shoot system like hong soo hyun? would you then laud her for her professionalism?

i don't disagree that han ye seul should have communicated her displeasure better and perhaps gone for a more conciliatory approach. but we don't really know the real ins and outs of the situation, so let's not be too quick to condemn her, and especially not just cuz your beloved eric is involved. ain't everything about shinhwa, duh.

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Sarratiger

August 15, 2011 at 12:29 AM

The thing about a corporation is if it's making money and cuts cost what else do you want. If you want things to change and you want it to happen now there is no conciliatory way to do it. You say what you want and you stick to it damn the consequences. Not saying that it is her intention to do so but if you want change the way filming is done, show how much it costs when one lead ends the productions and understand that the next idol can do the same. When these stations see how much the potential cost of a derailed drama is, they will change their practice. The thing is that her career is over. No other station is going to take a chance on her, but hey if she's doing it for the greater good all power to her.

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Enios51

August 14, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Sigh.I am still watching but not vested enough to get that upset.

I am here because I loved the actor who was in Powerful Opponents.

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23 tomo

August 14, 2011 at 8:19 PM

I guess it's a good thing I stopped watching this only a few episodes in?

But even if I loved it and was avidly following it, news of this sort would seriously mar enjoyment of the remaining episodes of the drama.

August 14, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Amen!!!!! Sister!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahah....

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Mia

August 14, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Yay! Well said!

(Though I hear that they cancelled all reruns of that episode - dam the influence-of-public-opinion.)

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25 abc123

August 14, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Can we get a special full of NGs and BTS not a summary of the episodes like Heartstrings' special?

p/s: too lazy to comment on all the hullabaloo

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KDrama Fan

August 14, 2011 at 9:02 PM

If we have to have a special I would like to see NGs too. Anything to lighten the atmosphere.

Oh man, this is why I should seriously learn to wait until a drama has aired all its episodes to start watching! I become attached to a show with the first few episodes and then even if the drama turns into a train wreck, I have to muddle through and finish it. :(

On one hand, this seems really unprofessional of HYS, but on the other hand, we probably don't know the whole story.

I think you have a good point when you say that if they delay this week's episodes to next week, it would resolve the unneeded extension issue. I hadn't thought it that way.

Anyways, thanks for the update! :)

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28 lois

August 14, 2011 at 8:24 PM

I was going to say this in the other thread that got really really off-topic but refrained considering that it was already too off-topic:

People kept mentioning: oh, people get back to shooting with broken bones and dire conditions, why can't she? This is SO unprofessional.

Isn't this like saying "Oh, some people will jump off cliffs to save their girlfriends. You're too logical? Ohkay, I guess you don't love me"

Netizens can't make jeopardizing one's health permanently the norm for "professionalism." Professionalism should be limited to carrying out the tenets of the contract well. Anything more than that, kudos to the actress, but others shouldn't be criticized for not going beyond what's stipulated.

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v

August 14, 2011 at 8:41 PM

well said!

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Aime

August 14, 2011 at 8:51 PM

It's how HYS handling the situation here. Kudo to her for does what she think is right BUT you can't stop people from making the comparison to other actresses & actors, like most recently PSH return to Heartstring filming before she completely healed from her car accident. Yes, HYS is tired but she's not sick being hospitalized to stop the entire production & broadcast like this. So I understand the unprofessional comparison.

KBS had changed the PD on her request to accommodate her, she is tired with long hours and so are the PDs, cast & crew members. She's not newbie in K-biz, she's aware of the crazy filming system when she signs up for it. I wish she handled it in a better way rather than this. She has the gut to pull this I guess she kinda expects the heat is coming her way.

I really hope both KBS, the production & HYS can come to a solution, although it's going to be awkward returning to the set if everything work out.

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cranky

August 14, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Well said. This is exactly what I think about this brouhaha.
I don't fault HYS for standing up for her rights at all but she should have handled it better. She's been in the business for years so it's not that she doesn't know how the system works. She can, of course, state her objections but not at the expense of everyone else who's been working their asses off for this too. She's a big star and I'm sure she has some kind of clout to at least have a word with the biggies at KBS without having to jeopardize the entire production.
The way it is happening now, if the reports are to be believed, people will view HYS is being all about ME ME ME and this is totally not acceptable in the Korean society.
Keeping my fingers crossed but it's not gonna be pretty if the filming resumed and all parties involved will be in for a very uncomfortable shooting environment. I just pity all the other actors who's as invested as anyone else to be dragged into this situation.

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Aime

August 14, 2011 at 10:41 PM

you know, reading more how the things unfold, I think scheduling isn't the real problem but the clash between HYS & PD Hwang is the cause of the problem.

I'm elaborating here: if scheduling is the real issue, she can easily stick to her gun and tell the production that they had agreed to this schedule so she'll only film during these hours and come to work at the agreed time frame. That way instead of NOT showing at all, she can still keep her stand on scheduling and avoiding all the backlash

That is why I'm guessing the real reason for the no show is she just can't work with PD Hwang any more instead of long hours or scheduling issue. So the question is to replace HYS or PD Hwang? hell, I wish I have the answer

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cranky

August 15, 2011 at 4:18 AM

OK, if that's the case, this really wouldn't put her in a good light at all. At least to me, it wouldn't.
Firstly, if she's got beef with the PD, they're old enough to know that they have to work things out between themselves without having to drag the entire production down with them. By backing out like that when the production has already been broadcasted half way through, to me, it looks like a petulant child threatening her parents. That is simply unforgivable because she IS the star of the production and this is not a new drama that hasn't been on air yet and could be pulled off at any time. It's not like her role was a 2nd- string or 3rd-string character that can be written off just like that. So that is simply unforgivable.
Secondly, I think she really should stand up and state her case personally. She, at least, owe her cast mates, the production team and the audience that much.
And apparently, not sure if it's true or mere rumour, she flew off to the States today... So is she really abandoning ship? I am hoping not because there's no way to redeem that.

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August 15, 2011 at 7:37 AM

Nope. KBS did not change the PD. They brought in an assistant PD, which is actually the norm for the live shoot drama system.

August 14, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Congrats for not having to be on the cliff-hanging spot like me.. >___< last week's episode was the best!

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31 Laeah

August 14, 2011 at 8:32 PM

I also dislike the live-shoot system, so please don't get me wrong.

My close friend's mother works in the Korean entertainment industry. She has heard so many stories about how rude Han Ye Seul is. She has a terrible reputation amongst the staff. And yes, I totally believe her. There is no way so many people could believe something that was not true to some extent.

That said, there are many things that seem fishy from Han Ye Seul's side.

A) If her health is *really* so bad, why hasn't she gone to a hospital?

B) She was continuously late over and over again and would leave the set without telling anyone. This is what caused her shoots to go overtime. Why is this the producer's fault?

C) The staff, the same film directors, producers, etc all stayed up the same amount of time as her. Why aren't they complaining as well? Why were they there on time?

D) Again, if her health is bad, why not call and say so? Why not go to the media about it beforehand? Why wait until AFTER being called out?

E) If they filmed 40% without her, that means she's not in as many scenes as people are claiming.

F) Why did she make them wait 9 hours and THEN show up if she was, after all, feeling so terribly?

It just doesn't add up.
I'm not saying that the producer's side is all good. But it seems like Han Ye Seul was tired or felt other schedules were more important and decided to skip out and sleep in. "Health" can cover anything, but if she really was sick, you'd think they'd be more specific as to seem more credible. Maybe her management just sucks, but that seems the obvious thing to do.

My problem with this is not whether she is ill or not (which is questionable), but how she handled it. Those people who are around her need her in order to feed their families and to pursue their own careers. Just because she's famous doesn't mean that she doesn't owe it to the team to be there.

If you are sick from your job, you don't call your boss and say "Sorry, I'm not coming anymore from now on". Which is why I think the health reason is a lie or not the whole truth of it.

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Javabeans

August 14, 2011 at 8:34 PM

A few clarifications:

She told the PD she would miss the shoot.

They shot 40% of this week's episodes WITH her, prior to the canceled shoots.

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Laeah

August 14, 2011 at 8:37 PM

I know she told the PD she would miss the shoot (not come). But she didn't tell them previously when she was late several times. I read the article.

As for the 40%, okay.

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Laeah

August 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Also some other points:

If her contract was THAT unfair - why didn't she take action against it or lodge a complaint?

Anyway now KBS says they will sue her if she doesn't show up.

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lois

August 14, 2011 at 8:45 PM

lol and you bring up your "insider connections" again

As far as I know (without my insider connections, of course) the contract stated that filming would end at midnight and there were specific time limitations; thus, the production violated the contract first.

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Huhulu

August 15, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Well it could be possible that because HYS overslept, they extended the rest of the week's schedule by two hours each day.

If her contract terms are true, then I'm with HYS on is one. Personally I've gotten heat by other people (in HYS's case netizens) who don't consider my situation (contract) and compare me to other people (PSH, YSH). So I don't think it would be fair for HYS to receive all the blame and for people to judge her so harshly IF her contract is true.

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Mia

August 14, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Lois,

Sorry but you're criticizing someone about "insider connections" (my quotes are not sarcastic, just normal quotes) yet you're making a couple of ridiculous assumptions.

1. Actors *need* to look pretty in front of the camera or netizens will criticize them?

I don't think her dark circles would cause such pandemonium. And I don't think by saying that you're giving her much credit either. She clearly went into this decision of not coming on set knowing she will be criticized. If your defending her, and one of your defenses is she's not coming to set for her "beauty-up-keep" it's not a defense. She's already being criticized and I'll give her the credit of not worry about her looks affecting things like writing, directing, and all the other actor's and staff's work.

2. Why is her work more demanding then other staffers? Why would you make such a claim? I have no idea what goes on in that world so I don't make points like that. I give the staff the benefit of the doubt though - I've seen them tired enough in the 1n2d scenes where there sprawled on the floor in 'petite morte' to assume everyone's job is significant and tiring in their own ways.

I'm not trying to criticize you personally either. Nor by disagreeing with you am I taking a stance with the issue. I simply haven't read enough to be passionate about it. But what I am passionate about is those two above points, I really think you should reconsider them.

I understand you up to a point.

C) The same people who depend on KBS for a pay check will not complain to any media reporters. If you ever want to work in the entertainment industry it's best not to have a reputation for being a trouble maker. Don't say if so bad why aren't more people complaining. No one who has a family to support would risk their lively hood to defend a actress that no one really seems to like.

I do agree with you about being late. You can't show up to work late then ask what time do we get off. IF it's how they reported it, and it's just the actress having a power trip, take the show dark. Really dark. I mean the gun's amo was switched out with real rounds, and the rest of the drama is to track down who killed her. But that's just me ;-)

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Sarratiger

August 15, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Hi yeah this was for Laeah. I'm still getting use to writing replies. Ignore all errors :-)

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32 crazedlu

August 14, 2011 at 8:33 PM

usually i'm quick to side with the stars, but i can't this time. i mean, i get that she's tired, and yeah, she may have bartered for a five day work week, but as we all know, being an actor is not some ordinary job. there's definitely some hustling involved and you do what you can to get those shots. sacrifices have to be made for the fame, right?

maybe it's just me, but i wouldn't expect any more or less as an actor in korea.

i'm not a fan of the live shoot system either, but korean audiences are so hard to satisfy, it really does seem to benefit, more than hurt, productions and actors and actresses.

seriously, in the states, when shows aren't getting the support and ratings they need, they're taken off air like they're nothing. so the fact that these korean broadcasting stations let them finish off their series, even when ratings are low, is amazing enough. maybe that's why i'm still hoping america adopts mini-series styled shows.

if she does return to set, all i can say is, awwkwaarrd.

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tinyviolin

August 15, 2011 at 9:45 AM

I'm also not a fan of the live shoot system, for the health reasons of everyone involved (actors the most visible victims, but at least they get press when they fall over, I imagine the crew has NO say in how long or hard they work, as well as very little recognition).

I don't agree, though, that the live shoot benefits the show, actually. I've abandoned a lot of dramas that started out strongly, and then fell apart like wet paper in later episodes. JB or GF, or both, mentioned before that *planning* the direction of your drama is important, the most important thing being the END. Logical, yanno? Apparently not. And why is everyone consistently underestimating how loooong it takes to work out the story? It seems like most productions are like, 'oh, yeah...we'll cross that bridge when we do, la di da di da...' ...and then end up like, 'ahh shit, what are we DOING tomorrow??'

My abso-favorite drama, technically, is Story of a Man. Oh, wow. It was probably a live-shoot, but they knew what they were doing, audience fickleness be damned. So, so good. So good. That drama.

Coffee Prince was the first drama I ever saw, and it made me stay for more. Now, if I had started out on Lie to Me....

So, what are the pros of having a live shoot? I get it's for the ratings, and that's something usually at war with artistic freedom. I'm also not a netizen or a Korean audience member. I'm also probably harder to please....

I'm also selfish. More story! Good stories will get you good ratings, I swears it! Please meeee nao. Stop looking back at your audience to direct you once you start rolling, and just go.

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shiroimomo

August 15, 2011 at 3:02 PM

I totally agree, I think there's something very wrong with the live shoot system. And if this whole debacle is about scheduling, then I think maybe HYS is right... (not saying that I completely agree with how she is handling the situation).

Did anyone SEE how many times she did that scene where Eric shoots her as an extra and she falls into that wooden crate? Ok, maybe it was a stunt double, but regardless, this isn't a drama with just dialogue and banter. There are some crazy action stunts, lots of running, and HYS twirling sticks : )

I think we should give her a little benefit of the doubt here. She's not just a character in a drama that requires her to wear cut clothes and carry around a gayageum, she's doing physical labor here!

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33 woodpeck

August 14, 2011 at 8:36 PM

If this turns out to be all Han Ye Seul's doing, which I am praying so bad that it isn't because I really like her, she has to think about her other cast members! D: What if the chemistry with her romantic interests evaporates into thin air? What if no one wants to work with her anymore?
But I'm proud that HYS is fighting against live-shooting because it's just seems like this system is getting worse and worse. I mean, it's not the best way to fight it if her co-workers begin to dislike her though, which I hope it won't turn out to be like that... sigh.

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34 natngnear

August 14, 2011 at 8:39 PM

i've been tortured since Tuesday night for the next episode.. haha.. now i kinda give up..

like JB, i'm not ready to blame her based on these info.. though it is very unprofessional, korean entertainment has a lot of crazy things happening that we don't know.. a loss of reputation could be the only way to resolve problems..

This is not a good year for KBS.

1. The JYJ thing. (Still pissed off about it)
2. The Poseidon thing.
3. The BIGGEST thing yet - potential loss of National MC Kang Ho Dong.
4. The Lesbian thing.
5. The Spy Myung-Wol thing.

-_-'

August 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Jeju Governemnt chose JYJ as Jeju ambassadors for Jeju N7W campaign
JYJ fans and JYJ have worked to promote Jeju for months
JYJ's appointment ceremony was supposed to be a few weeks ago and it was tied in with a mini concert that was to be aired through KBS

If you anything about JYJ they sued SM entertainment to get out of "slave contracts" and they have won an injunction to carry out their activities freely without interference but SM Ent has been blocking JYJ from TV appearances for two years
They still cant sing or go variety shows the only way they can promote is through dramas

Howver, broadcasting corps and big Ent. comapnies have a corrupt relationship
So basically 4 days before the scheduled performance when thousands of int. JYJ fans were flying in to Jeju to hear them KBS cancelled JYJ's appearance and replaced them with FX and SNSD which are two groups from SM Ent. Basically they had the Jeju event without the Jeju ambassadors

So JYJ lost their chance to sing on TV for the 2nd time in two years
JYJ fans who were flying in lost the money they spent'
JYJ fans as a whole felt used because they had been promoting Jeju for months
JYJ were screwed over ..once again

Result: KBS is a D-Bag that bows down to dirty ent. companies even though its funded by the taxpayer

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DramaQueen

August 15, 2011 at 1:21 AM

Is it me or are Korean netizens really sensitive? They'll probably have a heart attack at what our side of the world says about religion...

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DramaQueen

August 14, 2011 at 8:54 PM

One of the best comments I've read all day about this.

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Laeah

August 14, 2011 at 9:09 PM

If she's in the right, why didn't she make that obvious instead of going into hiding basically until the reports came out? Hmm?

If I wanted to make my name clear and I had done no wrong, I'd be the first one out there protesting against the ill treatment.

August 14, 2011 at 10:48 PM

I meant to reply laeah

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malta

August 14, 2011 at 10:25 PM

And it's terrible then, too. It doesn't make it any less brutal or demanding for an actor to deal with.

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Jaeminuf

August 14, 2011 at 11:01 PM

She's not a high school student. She's nearly 30. The body does get older and less able to cope. I just wrapped up a grueling summer-long engagement, without a single day off for at least eight weeks. Yet even I was getting more sleep (approx 4 hrs/night) than these actors generally get. Nonetheless, even with more sleep, I have never felt my body be so wrecked. I went into this summer pretty fit. Now I feel like a granny, unable to stand straight, walk decently, one arm feeling dislocated a bit, etc. And all I needed was my stamina and brain. My looks obviously went out the window. The one day each week I had to sleep in - I passed out for a minimum of 12 hours and still felt as if I'd been hit with an 18-wheeler.

Anyhow, with all the talk about Han Ye Seul not handling this well, I wonder if part of the problem may be that she might have been conked out for an extended period. I hope she was.

Diva or not, I hope (though I ain't holding my breath) this prompts industry folks to reconsider the live shoot system.

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girl with tardis

August 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM

You made my point a lot better than I did. Thanks!

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Jess

August 15, 2011 at 5:35 AM

I just wanted to say that you officially have the best username ever. DW!!

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girl with tardis

August 15, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Thanks Jess! (This wouldn't let me reply directly to your reply.) I was completely stumped as to what to use, and ended up going with something not remotely Korean...but I guess that just means that it's about time for the Doctor to show up in ancient Korea.

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Jaeminuf

August 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM

I just remembered that I actually got into a car accident from being so sleep deprived. Thankfully, no one was hurt but it was a major wake up call, pun intended heh.

To be serious, the car accident made me realize that, while I knew my body was seriously compromised, I didn't know the true extent.

And psychologically, I was definitely skirting danger. So glad that the engagement is over!

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ummm she grew up in America :P

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tomo

August 14, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Plenty of students and professionals in various industries, worldwide, get by on 2-4 hours a night. Not every single day of the year, but during exam seasons, to meet project deadlines, etc.

I'm not saying it's good, but using the 2 hours excuse won't cut it.

I don't know the stipulations in HYS's contract, so I won't remark on her issue directly.

But when leading actors/actresses are filming a drama, shoots lasting till the wee hours of the morning are common. PMY basically camped out on set during the latter half of SKKS. KSA recently said she doesn't even remember where home is. LSG when filming a drama concurrently with 1N2D, mentioned that he only gets to go home maybe two nights a week.

So when it's at live-shoot mode, forget about enough hours to sleep. If you're able to go home to get that sleep, be in 1-2 hours, it's a luxury.

You're right. They dont get the script with time to memorize and digest it, if its last minute with changes...pd conflicts...writers not professionally on time writing the script. Hell, I get cranky if I'm sleep deprive for a day...wut more if its days.

You need sleep to to retain what you have to memorize. Psychology 101

General comment: And seriously, why expect someone to be like everyone the broken rib guy/girl who still showed up to work. Everyone has different body coping mechanism. I hate to work for somebody who still expects/forces me to work when I'm not in perfect health.

I dont think that applies as unprofessional attitude. At some point, enough is enough when no one is listenning to you anymore.

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August 15, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Yes, and even if we were to go back to the actors who went to work before completely healing after their accidents...would you advise an athlete to go back on the field with a leg injury? Or a singer to perform just after having a throat injury? If you don't let something heal properly the first time, you can end up hurting yourself more the second time.

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Elina

August 15, 2011 at 4:44 AM

The 2-4 hours of sleep is a big debate, especially among ER workers. How can you think straight when you're sleep-deprived?
I wouldn't want my surgeon to be sleepy.

Or my pilots (cf the crash of KAL Flight 801 in 1997).

August 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM

This is what I presume too. I do wonder if there's a bit of a culture clash. Not that HYS doesn't know how Korea operates, but - if reports of the contract stipulations are true - she may have been bristling at the system.

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41 sally_b

August 14, 2011 at 9:08 PM

My take: insert the *surprise story* that Myung Wol was kidnapped back to North Korea by mysterious-guy-who-sits-in-chair-without face-shown...(random actress with bag over head, being dragged into car and whisked away)...spend the next two episodes with ONLY Kang Woo and Ryu (separately- exploring their inner angst & longing)

This would include loads of sweaty working-out and follow-up shower scenes. There's a LOT of time to fill up ----►so we'll need the PD to use many tight focus...slowwwwww moving~~ shots. After a mere two epsiodes the ratings would sky-rocket.

August 14, 2011 at 9:12 PM

If they could at least film up to the half way point before hand, they would at least not need to cram it in so fast and they would still have some flexibility for later episodes.

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sally_b

August 14, 2011 at 9:45 PM

@Laeah - I know right? seems like common sense.

But I can say from experience, having been on the post-production team for magazine publishing....everyone at the beginning of the process "borrows days" from the schedule. By the time you reach the date for post-production (editing/printing...or in this case airing) you're already 2 weeks behind.

I swear...no matter how realistic the scheduling tries to be ► the end of every *art* job is a chaotic relay-race. (I think that's why most artists are considered a little crazy) don't know if it's the job that causes it...or if you have to *be that way* to be interested in the first place.

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Laeah

August 14, 2011 at 10:18 PM

That's true, but it would still be better than what they are doing now. I don't know. It's frustrating period that they don't film it all first. I can see advantages with live-shoot, but if writers could just write everything all out and damn what people think and just have it all ready, I think it would be a lot easier.

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Alvina

August 14, 2011 at 9:19 PM

LOL, I wouldnt mind that storyline. Perhaps flashblack scenes or two or three.

Or perhaps, to include extra meta, we could call a break on the drama storyline so Eric/Kang can attend the premire of his movie whereupon the actual episode consists of us watching the movie as well lol.

But, I liked the idea of prolonged shower scenes better. ~_^

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sally_b

August 14, 2011 at 9:54 PM

ya know ~ ....if the advertising staff is worried about how to make sure they sell ALL their airtime....the work-out and follow-up shower scenes are an excellent source of product placement. (cheesy grin)

Especially if the entire hour is spent with well-lit, slowwwww moving camera angles...it's an advertiser's dream to get THAT much coverage. (right?) ;)

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Sarah

August 14, 2011 at 9:46 PM

best post thus far.

i wont mind the storyline hahahaha

and kudos to the dramabeans community for being so amazingly civil and to jb for putting the news out there as objectively as possible.

allkpop put the story up twice and both times i felt the blame was put on hys (be it intentionally or not). the comments on those pages frightened me cause there were many who were outright blaming the actress.

i have my own opinions but i dont see the point. the blame does not lie solely on one side and at the end of the day, the damage will be shouldered by all involved--production, actors and even the audiences both local and int'l.

clearly the issue that sticks out is that of the live shoot system and if this is what it takes to bring the poisoned system to the main focus, then so be it cause as much as i love my dose of kdramas, i'd hate for the health of any of the actors, production staff etc to be in jeopardy for the sake of entertainment.

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sally_b

August 14, 2011 at 10:00 PM

@Sarah - "cause as much as i love my dose of kdramas, i’d hate for the health of any of the actors, production staff etc to be in jeopardy for the sake of entertainment."

now that....is the truly the best post thus far.

August 14, 2011 at 9:14 PM

messy, messy,messy...

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43 komsuni1

August 14, 2011 at 9:17 PM

I really feel for HYS but frankly, she could have handled it better. Like, instead of calling, she could have sent her manager over with a medical certificate clearly stating that her health makes it impossible to go on filming. Something like that. Simply calling in to disrupt the schedule of a ton of people not to mention KBS and the audience was not the best way, unless she really wants to create a scandal... I love this drama and really like her and hope it all works out...

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44 Michelle

August 14, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Unfortunately it seems as though Han Ye-seul will be ostracized for airing out legitimate concerns about her contract and the Korean entertainment industry in general, and that's a very sad thing.

There can be blame to be placed on both sides, but it seems as though at this point she really didn't have a choice besides telling the PD that she was going to miss the shoot, and actually going through with it.

Unlike the American system, the Korean system does not have a union, or some party which can back actors and actresses if conditions are inadequate or harsh. Instead these individuals have to work with their PR and agents, and attempt to get a fair agreement with the production/TV companies. Or just "deal" with it, which has lead to several accidents, and injuries in the last several years.

However, if someone does speak out, it seems as though even they get backlash anyway regardless of how they handle it with the production company.

IMHO, the live-shoot system is unsustainable, and will lead to someone getting killed (which I hope to goodness never happens).

I'm not sure if Han Ye-seul's way was the right way to go, but if it helps in some way to prevent these live-shoot schedules to be changed for the better for EVERYONE involved (including the writers, directors, stage-hands, etc.) it will be a very good thing.

However, it seems as though the only way it will change is if a major star dies on set. And I honestly hope that that never, ever happens.

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Michelle

August 14, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Blah, I meant to say in the second to last paragraph:

WOO, TEAM SNOW

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Avi

August 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM

^like ^^

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oddworld

August 16, 2011 at 12:23 AM

I thought it was a known fact that only woman can be bitches

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snow

August 17, 2011 at 1:45 AM

@oddworld: well, you just showed that men can be bitches too, hooray!

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46 3pleX

August 14, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Korea's live shoot system for their dramas has got to stop! Kdrama producers stop treating your actors/actresses like slaves!!!

August 14, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Something it's easy to lose sight of with all the focus on the actors - with live shoots, they aren't the only ones working overtime to make the schedule! The live shoot system's got to give way to something more reasonable, for the sake of everyone. I'm sorry about your classmate and I hope he'll at least get some rest this week.

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chewyish

August 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM

yeah it really hits home when you realize that someone you sat next to in class is suffering because of this whole mess.
it was his first drama too

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49 crazedlu

August 14, 2011 at 9:42 PM

y'know what the ULTIMATE solution to the live shoot system would be?

AMAAAZING WRITING.

if a story was written ahead of time, screened and deemed awesome for broadcast television with a few edits made during shooting, then, tadah, problem solved.

think me simplistic, but i'll continue to dream.

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The Real CZ

Simply because they had been filmed before hand 100% and then, sadly, leaked 100%

If I was investing a lot of time and money in a drama I would be tempted to go with the life-shoot system simply so that the above paragraph doesn't happen.

On the other hand, "situations" (car accidents, and etc.) are becoming far too frequent.

I see both points, I just don't think that the emphasis on changing the writing to the whims of live-production-input should be such a huge plus - you know? Writers and producers should be better then that!

August 14, 2011 at 11:21 PM

I'm inclined to go with Javabeans' take on this: that HYS asked for a reasonable schedule, was promised so, got push back probably from the PD?, leading to the working relationship going south.

In my experience, working with Koreans (not Korean-Americans) has been interesting. They assume I'll do things that even Korean-Americans and certainly not white Americans would think to presume, primarily because the latter are aware of liability issues in a litigious USA.

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