Open Thread #267
by javabeans
Happy (belated) Thanksgiving all! Or maybe I should say, Happy Black Friday. Be safe out there. No TV is worth being trampled for!
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1 Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 6:16 AM
Hello!
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 6:20 AM
Happy OT Unni!!!!
Hope you have a great week! <3
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 6:56 AM
Hello Leaf, same to you :-)! Good to hear from you!!!!
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 6:23 AM
Hello, Queen Ivoire!
And hello, dear Beanies and OTlers ...
how is everybody doing? If you are from the States, you are probably still digesting delicious food ... hmmm, I'm hungry!
My big excitement this week is Lee Jun-ki's arrival in Switzerland, where he is going to spend the next two weeks or so shooting a photobook for his fans. I'm totally obsessing over him being HERE, most probably in my home town. I wouldn't have a clue what to say to him if I actually DID manage to see him somewhere ... but still, thinking about a meeting is a lot of fun! I'm waiting for him to tweet something ... seriously, I didn't know about my fangirl side up until a few days ago. It's a bit scary.
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 6:25 AM
WOW!!! That's amazing!!!!
And good luck! I hope you do get a chance to see him! :D
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 6:27 AM
me too, me too!!! Zurich is so tiny, there IS in fact a good chance. but only if he gives a clue to where he is approximately ... I guess. Or should I believe in unmyeong? haha
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 6:30 AM
If it's fated to happen haha
shukmeister
November 23, 2012 at 6:44 AM
Wishing you good luck in spotting him! And tell us if you meet him [fangirl moment]
enz
November 23, 2012 at 7:21 AM
good luck kakashi! remember priorities!
kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 7:26 AM
haha, enz.
gaeinalee
November 23, 2012 at 7:12 AM
Hope you get a chance to meet our cheeky magistrate, goodluck dearie!
BTW, is it a kind of Mike He's photobook or conventional? If the earlier, I need to find a way to pre-order it, stat! ^^
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM
oh, I don't know ... this is the only piece of news I've seen, it doesn't specify what type of photobook http://enewsworld.mnet.com/enews/contents.asp?idx=21775
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Jeannette
November 23, 2012 at 7:18 AM
Oh, I hope you see him! I love him to pieces!
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM
Maybe he needs a picture of nice Swiss maiden in his book! Braid your hair and get that vest and some ribbons out!
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 8:00 AM
I'll send my daughter. she has cute curls, is cute overall and would be perfect for his foto book. If I dye her hair darker, she'll look just like Heidi
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 8:07 AM
She is a cutie. Hey, anyway you have to work it is acceptable!
kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 8:50 AM
wait ... have you seen a pic of her?! that profile pic the other day ... that was me when I was her age :)
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 8:55 AM
OH my gosh! I totally thought it was your daughter!!!!! (yeah, I don't understand German!) Well, you were adorable, too, so I say back to my original plan - don the braids and vest!
pogo the Corn Salad fangirl
November 23, 2012 at 8:35 AM
aaaaaaaaaaaaah good luck darling, I hope you get to see his magisterial hotness in person!
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sweetcloud
November 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM
Omo! Good luck in spotting him, do share if you happen to see him in person!
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 11:16 AM
yeah, crazy, I just found out where he is (From his latest Tweet) http://www.hotelabc.ch/
not in my town :) but another nice one, the one my husband is from!
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pillowhead
November 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Wow, good luck! Hope you get to see him. Loved Arang and the Magistrate! And I'm so jeolous you live in Switzerland. I was there in the early 90's. Spent a weeking in Lucern right before that beautiful bridge caught fire.
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pillowhead
November 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM
sad about the bridge. But you live in the most beautiful place on the planet.
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 2:26 PM
thank you, pillowhead. not sure it's the most beautiful, but it is indeed a nice place to live. yes, the bridge burning is a tragedy. but they did restore it really well!
FishcalledWanda
November 24, 2012 at 1:51 AM
Aaah, I hope you managed to see him!! How big is the chance he's actually in you hometown! I want updates! :D Haha, pretty men bring out your scary-unknown side.
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Mystisith
November 23, 2012 at 6:32 AM
Bonjour Ivoire! Happy OT!
Are you here to spazz about King of dramas like me? ^^
Dramacrack alert!!!
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 6:41 AM
damn, I so want to start watching that drama!!! Am behind with so many things ...
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 6:55 AM
Bonjour Mysti, absolument!!!!! Please read my post below :-)!
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 7:54 AM
Doesn't it make you wonder how trained the actors are to give interviews? The one SiWon did was so similar to Song Joong Ki's in real life that now I'll be doubting all the real actor's sincerity!
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Mystisith
November 23, 2012 at 8:08 AM
I almost never pay attention to actors/singers interviews: It's can-speech like for politics. From time to time you fall on a gem but it's the exception and not the rule.
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 8:58 AM
You know everything is just so different here in the States. My daughter is an entertainment reporter, and at most a publicist may tell her not to ask personal questions about a certain issue, but basically you never know what is going to come out of an actor's mouth!
Mar
November 23, 2012 at 4:50 PM
I'm with Mystisith. Always remember entertainers are professional liars. I'm not saying expect everything to be a lie, just don't be shocked when it is lol.
Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM
KL, should we trust what "your" SJK says from now on? :-)
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 2:12 PM
I am sure my SJK is just as nice and humble in person as he was in the interview! :)
Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Huhuh... And you would know that because... ?:-)
Enz
November 23, 2012 at 8:14 PM
Because his eyebrows are perfectly shaped and his mouth is as red as ruby and his teeth is wonderfully aligned. Someone like that CANNOT lie ivoire. How is it that I need to educate you on this?? Hheeee
Ivoire
November 24, 2012 at 6:35 AM
Good morning Enz,
Well, thank you for educating me on the criteria used to determine whether a Korean celebrity is lying in his/her public statements or not :-). I certainly was not aware of said criteria.
Why do you have to educate me on that? Well... because those criteria are so... superficial? :-). However I understand and I can see how and why people would be swayed by such physical attributes. To each, its own (set of criteria). Also based on the criteria you just gave, a lot of celebrities "don't lie then..." Is that really so? (What do you think?) :-)
enz
November 24, 2012 at 7:34 AM
ivoire, mais oui!! :D it was published in the sceintific journal of hoasiology - but i need perhaps to share the full criterias. it is extremely precise - only perfectly shaped eyebrows ie when you draw a line down the beginning of the arch, it should fall on the outer aspect of the pupil and the space between the brow should be about a third the lenght of the brow itself.
the lip colour must be the shade of a grade A ruby from myanmar and nowhere else and the teeth really has to be a complete set and on smiling can show up to the second premolars.
only those that fulfill all three criterias were shown to be unable to lie.- lie detector tests were used in the study.
you should know that i sadly possess NONE of these criterias and it is possible that i am lying through my teeth right now.. OR NOT as the case may be.
:D
Ivoire
November 25, 2012 at 8:11 AM
Hello Enz,
Your comment (last one) was funny and witty!!!! I didn't know you had that in you :-). I do have a question, what is this: "the sceintific journal of hoasiology?" Please explain?
I didn't know you to be so knowledgeable about so many things in life :-). I look forward to other pieces of information/gems of wisdom you will be sharing with me. One is never too old to learn.
enz
November 25, 2012 at 5:40 PM
haha ivoire - hoa siau is a hokkien term for big bluffing or making up tall tales - like the ones suguen likes to use on 2d1n.
yes yes.. i shall dig deep into my well of hoasiology to further share with you as and when the occasion calls for it!! :D
glad you enjoyed the last one
lalala
November 23, 2012 at 8:58 AM
I SURE KNOW I AM HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE ALONE!!!!!!
KING OF DRAMAS
KING OF DRAMAS
KING OF DRAMAS
KING OF DRAMAS
KING OF DRAMAS
KING OF DRAMAS
KING OF DRAMAS
KING OF DRAMAS
babyyyyyyyy
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Hello Lalala,
May I just say: I LOVE your enthusiasm for this drama, AND I share it. Did you read my post below? :-)
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becca_boo
November 23, 2012 at 6:40 AM
Hello, Ivoire!
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 7:01 AM
Hello becca_boo and happy OT to you :-)! I hope your Friday started well!!!! Have an amazing weekend!
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 6:53 AM
Sorry, I made a mistake, I meant to have my comment here :-(... Please disregard comment # 13.
Good morning everyone!
I have a favor to ask and get out of the way: I have a friend who is currently in Seoul, and it is her first time there and she would like to buy human hair (for extensions and such). Can anyone recommend stores in Seoul she could go to, please? She would like to buy (human) hair for both black and white people (so, different kinds of hair). If you happen to also have any addresses (of said stores) you could include, that would be wonderful and much appreciated, thank you!
Also, if you have any ideas about activities I could do with a 6 year old (girl) and a 4 year old (boy), and a 2 year old (girl), please share them with me. Thanks!
A month ago, I did my 4th move. It was on a Thursday, and we got done around 8pm. I stayed up all night (until 4am) to put things away and I had to start working the same day (Friday). My back was killing me, my feet were killing me (from being on my feet for so long) and I felt that I didn’t need to go to the gym for that weekend, I had just had my workout and I was that sore :-)
It has been very busy ever since and I am wearing many hats: taking care of three children (two different families), cooking, translating many letters from 18th century French for a book that will be published, tutoring a 15 year old in French (and I get more excited about the tutoring sessions than he does :-( ) and constantly cleaning. Whoever said “a woman’s work is never done,” was not kidding :-)
Drama wise, I am currently LOVING and tremendously enjoying The King of Dramas and I just love the cast (all the actors and actresses) and the characters they portray. So much subtlety in their portrayal and acting. I love everything about this drama: the plot, the pace, the OST (can’t wait for that to be available to be ordered. I keep humming those songs. Does the OST remind anyone of the OST of the TK2Hs? Because it does for me. The instrumental pieces sound almost the same). I love the different surprises they throw at us (which so far I haven’t seen coming) and just watching the chemistry between the different actors and actresses. That chemistry is crackling.
The leads (all four) are just awesome and I love that this drama makes me think. How much meta can I understand and detect? And how much am I learning about (some) of how things are done in the Korean entertainment industry and what it all means? (I know that some of it is dramatized, of course). The humor in this drama is an added bonus, as well. I will stop here, I think that is enough rave for now :-) . I just wanted to let you guys know what my new addiction was.
It has been raining here in my neck of the hood, but the weather for Thanksgiving Day was nice. I hope you will all have a wonderful weekend. I will be working all day, so I probably won’t be able to answer any comments right away. Feel free however to comment. I will get to them when I can.
Have an awesome day, or night :-) !
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sebsob
November 23, 2012 at 7:15 AM
Hey Ivoire, : )
Just reading your schedule makes my feet hurt.
I agree, King Of Dramas is good. I am enjoying the crackling dialogues. That quick witted back and forth banter which reminds me of 1950's Hollywood movies or even the 1980's TV series Moonlighting. (I'm so old!)
Wishing you much joy and love, as always.
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 8:25 AM
Hello Sabah, good to "read" from you and thank you for feeling my pain :-)...
I agree with you about KoDs. I DO love everything about it, and ESPECIALLY the crackling dialogues as you call them. They are so well written!!!! And well delivered, I appreciate that. I have seen some dialogues that were not well delivered, where one of the actors (it was obvious) would wait for the other actor or actress to finish his/her lines and then say his. It didn't feel organic at all and it was a distraction.
I appreciate the acting more here, it feels so organic, and the characters feel consistent. We know some of them will change, but things are written in a way that make sense (so far) and I also love that about this show. I am planning on rewatching it soon (I always miss a few things when I watch an episode the 1st time around).
Interestingly, the streaming for me on viki is also good, the image clearer than some of the shows I have watched (even recently). So that is a plus as well.
Have a lovely, lovely, lovely weekend Sabah :-)
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sebsob
November 23, 2012 at 10:05 AM
I really do feel it. I hope you are able to put your feet up for a bit, even if just to catch up on your dramas.
As they say acting has an element of 're-acting.' I agree that some actors don't always seem to be in the moment so that, as you say, they are just waiting for their turn. The best actors, in my opinion, not only are able to give their lines with precise accentuation and timing BUT react to the expressions and delivery of lines of the person/people acting opposite them. As someone who has very poor co-ordination (nope I can't rub my belly and pat my head at the same time) I am always impressed with I witness it.
So many times, I have wished good lines better actors because in a world of mediocre they deserve it. King of Dramas has both aspects down and I find all the players really in sync with their characters AND other characters. The ending to episode has me nervous but in a good way, in that I am wondering how they are going to continue on.
I hope this weekend treats you auspiciously too.
Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Sabah,
I LOVE all that you said AND you said it well, so I won't take it apart (repeat it). I especially LOVE what you said about KoDs and I TOTALLY agree with you. I hate it when an actor struggles with getting into character, or staying in character, b/c then it is glaring and it feels more like watching actor X or actress X acting, as opposed to simply seeing the character. Yes, I still know it is actor X (b/c it is his/her physical features) but I want to forget it is him/her.
Some actors (and actresses) know or manage to play a role like it is fitting them like a glove, a well fitted one at that. And that is when it is a feast to watch them. It feels like they are taking you along with them, and telling you a story, murmuring that to you and you are RIGHT THERE with them, watching as it unfolds. I hope my description makes sense, that is how I LOVE to experience dramas and movies (performances in general, including theater).
I am SO THERE with you, regarding The King of Dramas, and I hope they will be able to deliver to the very end :-).
The King of Dramas, Fighting!!!!!!!
sebsob
November 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Ivoire,
You spoke the truth. There are very few actors/actresses who can leave their image/persona behind and embrace the characterization. Furthermore, those that leave that character full of flaws and even hateful but engender empathy or pity through depth.
Maybe it is the fault of fans that can not tell the difference between the two. However in truth there is a big difference between celebrity and artist, and unfortunately modern actors form the former rather than the latter. I hope this drama is able to do something special and despite low ratings, isn't persuaded to change for the worse.
Wishing you a wonderful week ahead.
Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Sabah,
We just keep thinking along the same lines today :-). I am always amazed at some of the fans who can't (or won't) distance themselves enough to see the flaws in their favorite actor(s)/actress(es). I don't think it does a service to the actor/actress. What is even worse is when the director praises the actor (or the actress) and you just want to say, "but s/he isn't that good. S/he is not staying in character the whole show/movie/performance through, (when s/he manages to be in character)" *Sigh*
And I have seen that happen (unfortunately) that some of those actors/actresses are being praised by directors and it makes me shake my head (and now they start believing it). I also agree with you about many actors are being celebrities and not artists. Is it b/c society and the industry demand more of that? How did we get there? Everything seems to be about becoming a celebrity these days, getting those endorsement deals, etc... Makes you wary of worshipping them. (I don't think we should worship anyone, to start with, imho).
sebsob
November 23, 2012 at 1:58 PM
I agree, it isn't healthy to worship something that is inherently weak. It's better to view them as artists, enjoy the art that they create so that when things go wrong you can step back and say, 'that piece/set/character wasn't good but I respect your effort anyway.' Like the Hong sisters & Gong Yoo in Big. Though I thought it was a failure, I can not belittle their credibility as artists, trying to create something.
It should be about the art, more than the artist. I loved that part in KOD, when Go Eun tells Hyun Min that even if she isn't part of the project and can't keep promise that he should still care for the project. It's about coming together to create something, not the something being a means to create you.
What can we do? I don't know, maybe as Gandhi said, 'you must be the change you want to see in the world,' except I am not artist. hehe.
Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Sabah, I have to go clean the kitchen. I will respond later :-)
sebsob
November 23, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Take your time. : )
Ivoire
November 24, 2012 at 7:42 AM
Hello Sabah,
Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I did not get done until 11:00pm last night (after having been up since 4:30-5am) and as you can imagine, it was a busy day. I am getting ready for day 2 (I work on weekends with this family, so I will be done on Sunday night).
I agree with your statement about not worshipping celebrities, however I also understand how that can happen as I have been guilty of that. I have however been able to distance myself and acknowledge (or at least think about/question) when I would do it (or you know, a few months later :-) ). The danger, in my humble opinion (at least to me), is when we don't recognize it or acknowledge it (at least to ourselves) and worship someone who is far from being perfect (and treat him/her as such). I would not want to do that, personally. As you said, it is not healthy and that is personally not where I would want my energy and focus to go.
Like you, I do appreciate and acknowledge the effort writers and actors and people involved in the arts make as a whole, however we have to also say that when some of them become famous and established, they can tend to believe their own press and as one of my friends says, "drink their own Kool aid." And we have seen (I am sure at least once) the kind of work (whether it is a book, script, acting and directing wise), the kind of mediocre (or not very good :-) ) performance we end up getting. What I find regrettable is when we are made to believe that said work is as good as previous works that were better, (it kind of feels like one's intelligence is being insulted, at least to me).
This is interesting, "It should be about the art, more than the artist." because I don't know if you remember **SPOILER** the interview-date with Hyun Min where he says things along the same lines, when asked how much he gets paid for projects. "I don't care about the money (He supposedly doesn't know how much he gets paid), just about the art." **END OF SPOILER**
Yes it should be (about the art), however, we know it is not always, or maybe not as much as it should be. In this day and age, it seems to me that often, it is "the something (which is) being a means to create you," as you well said.
What can we do? All I want to do, is being aware when that happens and being educated about such things. That is the best I can do (at least for now), in my humble opinion.
I think we are all artists on some level. We might not produce art that people read and buy and watch, however, I wonder if there is not an artist in all of us...
I hope your Saturday is going well :-)...
sebsob
November 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Ivoire,
I don't want to intrude beyond propriety, for we have only just begun talking, but I do worry about you. I'm not going to tell you how to run your life, but as long as you aren't causing any detriment, I won't say anything. I hope that you are able to save just one part of the day that is for yourself. Wishing you ease and prosperity.
It's like the Wendy Cope poem, "Two cures for love.
1 Don’t see him. Don’t phone or write a letter.
2 The easy way: get to know him better." The less we know of a person, it easier it becomes to love them because we have yet to learn of their deficiencies. Celebrities are easy to love because we are given bite size pieces of goodness, beautiful portraits and heart twisting emoting in dramas. I think my faith helps me a lot because anything good, any beauty or talent I see in an artist/celebrity I always attribute to God, because my belief is that everything belongs to Him. In that way, I don't ascribe it to an individual. It's more about inspiring aspirations. Of course, I too traversed youth to get here, with many an emotional and irrational dip into silliness.
"Drink their own Kool aid." I have never heard that expression before. Is it American? Actually the last few years I have been working on my own naivety. I think to perceive that truth of yourself, or know thyself, is very difficult. I haven't met many people with clear inner sight. Criticism is difficult for most people seeing that we tend to incline towards contention most of the time. Being in an industry that is built on constant criticism/assessment, profit/returns, I can understand why it is countered with so much praise, even if it might be superficial.
The drama is very sharp. There are so many moments that really hit home certain cliches (or are they habits? accepted norms?) of this industry but I do wonder if people are really paying attention. Do people recognize their counter-parts on TV? I know many people who do not see parallels between their actions and those depicted on TV.
I am enjoying it immensely but it does make me wonder about the difficulties and trials that lay behind kdramas which I love. To think that they might have come out of hardship, injustice, cruelty does taint them negatively.
Ivoire
November 25, 2012 at 8:38 AM
Wow Sabah, you are deep!!!!! I am impressed with the way you write :-)...
1--Thank you for your well wishes, I appreciate them. Many opportunities have presented themselves, and I am just trying to fulfill them. I do tend to push myself as I like to be thorough and as I have a standard of excellence. I think I must be like Koreans, who push themselves so much...
As far as the cure for love, I didn't understand this: "Don’t see him. Don’t phone or write a letter." Please explain... Also, I like your comment about why we tend to put celebrities on a pedestal, very well said.
The expression "to drink one's own Kool Aid" must be American, since Kool Aid is drunk in the US. The person I heard it from is Nigerian and has lived in the US for 10 years. I like that expression b/c Kool Aid is such a simple drink (powdered drink for children, primarily), that to me, when someone drinks their own KA, it feels like they are just buying all that is said about him/her and is drunk on comments that may not necessarily be true, but flattering, for sure. It basically means that they are high on praises/positive comments about themselves (or spin comments in their mind to be flattering). Another expression is "they are not feeling themselves." This is usually said when people have achieved success or are starting to get fame.
I think one can know thyself, if one wants to do so. I think I know myself pretty well. I have to take time to reflect, but I usually am honest with myself and I try to let God reveal things to me (as painful as they might be to face).
I hadn't thought of this:"Being in an industry that is built on constant criticism/assessment, profit/returns, I can understand why it is countered with so much praise, even if it might be superficial." Good point!!!!
I do agree with you that TKoDs is very sharp and I don't know that many people watch it and reflect about their own actions and motives in life. Good points made by you there as well.
I love finding out/learning things about the BTS stuff in dramaland, even if they are dramatized (it is better than nothing). It makes me appreciate dramas that much more.
I hope you had/are having a great Sunday. I always love reading your posts :-)
sebsob
November 25, 2012 at 11:43 AM
I do understand the need to make the most of every opportunity that comes your way because you don't want to regret anything. Just look after yourself. : )
I'm not so deep but I have been fortunate to had the honour of knowing many wise people. The first line just means that if you want to cure yourself of 'love' then avoid all contact with that person. The other way being getting to know their faults through time spent in their company. My sister says something similar, 'the best cure for love is marriage.' It's all very tongue in cheek, for I don't think, or hope, they aren't so cynical about love. I think it is more to do with infatuation than love, when your estimation of a person is based mainly in your imagination.
I have never heard of either of those phrases. So, if I have understood correctly, it is taking sincerely something that is meant to be superficial? It's very accurate. People do tend to adorn themselves with airs. I might try the second phrase next time, I don't think there could be an English equivalent. Hmm maybe Ribena? Hehe
I feel as though I am very much estranged from myself. I think because for a long time I didn't want to delve into what lay at the core. However, as you say, even though it is hard, it has to be done. Slowly but surely I am making headway but it is frightening as much as it is daunting. You truly are blessed to have such inner sight, maybe you don't know but it is a very rare thing indeed.
I know I have a tendency to dissect things to a point where I destroy aesthetic beauty, i.e. can't see the forest for the trees, but I do wish people reflected more. Sometimes dramas have profound notes which most people distant themselves from by labelling it as entertainment and nothing more. They acknowledge the pain of the protagonist at the hands of a people fuelled by hate or jealousy but then don't see those very effects when they themselves are the source of such furies. I'm not innocent of being blind nor hypocrisy. I am just advocating self-reflection. Kdrama or art is an easy and entertaining way to do it.
I loved your spin on difficulty engendering greater appreciation. It's a beautiful way to look at it. Thank you.
Ivoire
November 25, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Hello Sabah,
So good to hear from you again :-). I have the children this afternoon (and tonight) so I will be back later to respond.
I just wanted to say that one of the things I have noticed about your responses, is that you are like me: you touch on ALL the points that I make. Like me, you are detailed and thorough in your responses, and I SO LOVE THAT!!!! I feel that I can have this deep conversation with you, and that you are willing to go there with me, to explore topics and issues, whether they be kdrama related or personal. I also like that we have each other's email addresses, so we can address there what we do not wish to mention here :-). And my comment does not mean that we cannot make jokes or talk about light hearted issues, as I am sure you know :-).
Thank you for always doing that, being so thorough and pondering all that I say. It also makes me feel like what I say (or have to say) matters, and I know it does (or should) but not everyone takes the time to honor that, if you see what I mean.
So, many thanks again, for caring and not being afraid to (gently) express it.
sebsob
November 25, 2012 at 5:50 PM
There are so many things I want to say. Thank you for your kindness. I am grateful to have found someone who notes and notices things, precious things. I love that you want to talk too. Most of all, I love the detailing that you describe. The art of conversation and debate isn't dead but it has changed so much that I find, these days, unable to find the 'correct' words.
People don't want to talk, they want you to acquiesce and just agree with them WHICH I would do if their sentiment wasn't so full of spite or greed. For me conversation isn't about agreement but comprehending different tangents and viewpoints. Just one conversation with you and I see a point from a whole different angle. It's wondrous. I am indebted. Thank you.
kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 7:36 AM
hwaiting, Ivoire! Have strength ...
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 8:27 AM
Thanks Kakashi, could you please send that strength in a bottle? :-)
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 8:45 AM
yes! am bottling it right now!! ^^
Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM
Please let me know when you send it :-)! Thanks!
zgznoona
November 23, 2012 at 7:54 AM
About the activities with kids, indoors or outdoors?
With adult supervision or not? how long do you want to keep them busy? How independent are they?
How much do they share? For instance, my 2 year old niece, wants to have and do everything her 4 year old sister does.
For indoor:
I made cookies with them last year and they had a really good time.
My nieces also enjoy singing challenges one proposes a song and the other one has to sing it.
They can make crafts, from clay to drawing, painting
In any case, young kids get bored/tired of doing the same thing soon. So, it's better if whatever you plan last around 30min and keep rotating
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 8:05 AM
I second the cookie baking. That is great for kids. or any other type of baking. For example, we eat something called "Grittibänz" this time of the year. It's a dough man. It's bread dough, but a little sweet. This is a recipe for it: http://www.saison.ch/de/rezepte/grittibanze/detail/
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 8:28 AM
Thanks for the recipe, Kakashi, I will look it up!
Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 8:39 AM
Hello ZGZ and thanks for responding. To answer your questions:
1-Ideas for both indoor and outdoor activities please. 2--With both adult supervision and none. 3--The amount of time to keep them busy will vary (depending on whether I have them for a few hours or all day, like during holidays) and so I am open to all suggestions, I just want ideas. 4--The 7 year old (I said 6 but she is actually 7) is quite independent, and her brother (4) needs a lot of attention (so he can feel special and important). I would be doing most things with him. Leaving him alone for too long is not a good thing. And the 2 year old, I would be with her as well. 5--The 7 year old shares some, but her brother doesn't like to. The 2 year old is an only child for now (different family).
Thank you very much for your ideas, ZGZ :-)... If you come up with some more, please share :-).
P.S.: I have thought of baking, just wondered if the 4 year old would like it. He seems to enjoy boys' stuff more.
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zgznoona
November 24, 2012 at 5:37 AM
from my experience, boys like to cook if playing their hand is included. Like cookie baking, same with the 2 year old. Also rolling meatballs could work.
When cooking you can have things setup with the help of the 7 year old and call the younger ones for the fun or rolling cutting and decorating.
Modeling clay or any other kind of dough is a good idea. We used to make a one with flower water salt and dishwasher, used it as clay, one dray was easy to paint.
It's also good to know what they like and create like a theme. My nieces love Dora the Explorer and Pocoyo. So creating a story about their favorite characters, and you can print coloring drawings (there are may places online) or they can draw them themselves.
If is for the holidays, they can help to decorate the house, even make the some ornaments themselves. You can find easy projects online.
on a quick search a I found a few interesting ones:
http://www.comidayolas.com/
http://www.themagiconions.com/seasonal-crafts
http://www.anjalicuric.blogspot.com/
http://www.simplejoyfulliving.com/
I'm sure you'll find great ideas from this blogs
Ivoire
November 25, 2012 at 8:42 AM
Hello zgznoona,
And thank you for your added comments and ideas. You are so resourceful and helpful. I really appreciate that. And thank you as well for the webpages, I will check them out. I hope you had a wonderful weekend :-)...
pillowhead
November 23, 2012 at 1:05 PM
KoD is thrilling! I'm way into it too. I love getting into the "industry", so the story already intriqued me. The cast, and the writing is brilliant. :D
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Hi pillowhead, I (highly) second everything you just said :-)!!!!!
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 7:43 AM
Ivoire! You did it! I'm sure everyone is happy to see you in your rightful spot. Hope your Thanksgiving was good!
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Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 8:09 AM
Hello KL, and thanks for the welcome!!!! Yes, Thanksgiving was good and very busy :-)!
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 8:29 AM
Some tips for you - I find play dough keeps kids occupied for hours. You can make some home made play dough if you want and then not be too concerned if the little one tries to eat it! haha. Also, take nature walks and give each child a list of things to find. I'm always big on crafts - egg carton caterpillars, sock puppets (and then have the older ones put on a show), dress up clothes (you could ask the Moms to pick up some cheap hats and clothes at thrift shops.) My kids loved dressing up and then putting on plays. If you have good outdoor space, you can have them do running races or things like Simon Says and Red Light, Green Light. I was a stay at home Mom so have lots of ideas!
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 8:52 AM
wow, KL ... when are you coming over? Next year? Will you do some babysitting at my place, please?! hehe
korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 9:12 AM
It will probably be next fall. My sister is even better with kids, so how about if she stays and babysits and we go out?
kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM
AGREED!
Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 8:42 AM
Thanks KL for the ideas, I really appreciate them. How do I make homemade play dough, please?
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 9:18 AM
Here is a site that offers several options. I can't remember which one I used when my kids were small. I'm lazier now so buy real play dough for my grandson!
http://babyparenting.about.com/cs/activities/a/playdough.htm
Ivoire
November 23, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Thanks, I appreciate it!
2 leaf
November 23, 2012 at 6:19 AM
The moment when you refresh about 5 times just so you're not first haha -_-
I'm currently watching The Killing cause I'm obsessed with Danish TV, it's amazing!!! And I've been meaning to watch the Killing for ages... but I still prefer Borgen! Just my political side coming out lol
Anyway Happy OT Friday everyone!!! Wishing you all the best!!! <3
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 6:25 AM
hello, Leaf! Are you watching the original series or the US remake? happy Friday!
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 6:27 AM
THE ORIGINAL OF COURSE!!!!
Why would I waste time watching some silly American imitation? Pfft... hate remakes...
The only person who should be trusted with doing a remake is obviously me ;)
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kakashi
November 23, 2012 at 6:38 AM
haha, well said
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fab
November 23, 2012 at 6:42 AM
Yes that show is great! And that goes for a lot Danish series. Currently airing on national tv here with subs (which is always the case luckily..).
Happy OT. And for the US beanies, happy belated TG!
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john
November 23, 2012 at 7:00 AM
Leaf~
I'd love to watch the original. Last time I tried it said, "Unavailable in your region" or some such.
Bah!
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Jeannette
November 23, 2012 at 7:21 AM
I love you. I watched Forbrydelsen two years or so ago...TRIED watching teh US remake (mistake) and couldn't get through the first episode. I spent the rest of the time that show was on TV nagging people to watch the original, haha. The US version made me SO FURIOUS! When people said how awesome it was I'd get so mad! LOL
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 7:41 AM
I love you too Random Beanie!! <3
Haha... but seriously... how can people like the remakes??? JUST WHY???
enz
November 23, 2012 at 7:55 AM
this is what i say of ugly betty - the original from colombia was so much more layered and with so much heart. the us made one was really disappointing
Jeannette
November 23, 2012 at 8:32 AM
HAHA! When you said "Beanie" I was really taken aback as that is my nickname...lol then I realized..duh, the website...Leaf doesn't REALLY know your childhood nickname! lol
People are weird...they either don't want to put forth the effort into watching the original or they like remakes. That's the only two options I think. i HATE remakes. I want to say there are probably a couple that I've enjoyed, but I can't think of them.
leaf
November 23, 2012 at 9:02 AM
Hmm... you underestimate me... :P
But yeah... most people are boring :(
aoiaheen
November 23, 2012 at 6:51 AM
Where do you watch it? Is it available on any streaming sites?
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 6:53 AM
http://watchseries.eu/serie/the_killing_%28forbrydelsen%29
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aoiaheen
November 23, 2012 at 7:11 AM
thanks.
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john
November 24, 2012 at 5:10 AM
Leaf~
Thank you for the link. Currently watching Forbrydelsen and loving it.
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pogo the Corn Salad fangirl
November 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM
THE KILLING?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMIGOD ANOTHER FAN!!!
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 9:11 AM
I prefer Borgen or The Bridge to be honest... well... at the moment... I'm not that far though to be honest...
But it's still epic of course XD
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pogo the Corn Salad fangirl
November 23, 2012 at 9:45 AM
lol far enough to encounter Sarah Lund's epic sweater that survives anything at all including being slashed through the sleeve....and can still be worn the next day!
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 9:59 AM
Haha yes... everyone loves the sweater!!! ;)
pillowhead
November 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM
Danish TV? I should check that out. I did watch one episode of the American version. I didn't know it was a remake. Was the Dragon Tatoo a Danish trilogy?
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shelhass
November 23, 2012 at 2:29 PM
Isn't it Swedish?
Uh, I'm confused now.
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 7:33 PM
Dragon Tattoo was a Swedish Trilogy and after all my anti remake thing I will admit I actually prefered the US version... ^cringes and goes to a corner to die^
But whatever ^BRAVEFACE^ the last two books in the series are the best anyway...
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shelhass
November 24, 2012 at 4:59 AM
Well, since you braved yourself first...
I agree. US version is better, but I can solely blame it on my love for David Fincher work.
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3 drama4mama
November 23, 2012 at 6:29 AM
Hey, on my way to work for my 12 hr shift at Macys, took some Black Friday guru on tv advice and shopped online, got a great price for tv on best buy and also Amazon has some good deals, wish I could stay home and catch up on King of Dramas, so far on ep 3 and I'm giddy about how good it is. Have a great holiday weekend!
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 8:09 AM
I hope everyone is starting their Christmas spirit and treats you well!
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 8:18 AM
FIGHTING!!! You can do it!! <3
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owl
November 23, 2012 at 9:52 AM
ooooo 12 hr shift, harsh. Especially for the black friday madness! Feeling for you today! But, I do like all the Christmas decorations in the dept. stores and the christmas music playing!
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4 aoiaheen
November 23, 2012 at 6:32 AM
Hello every one. Happy thanksgiving for those who celebrate.
Is anyone still watching I Miss you? Episode 5 and 6 were really awesome. If anyone stopped watching because they couldn't stand the tragedy in ep 3&4 but really like the cast, I recommend watchin 5 & 6.
There's a murder (hmm... anyone suspects Dorian grey?) some good revenge and not all that much angst actually.
But what I really like is how complex the relationship between YEH and YSH's characters is. They are so dependent on each other and so removed from the outside world that it's almost unhealthy.
Also there's a scene (which I found hilarious but I'm not sure it was meant to be) where Jung Woo is staring at SY and Joon is staring at Jung Woo.
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katiamon
November 23, 2012 at 6:55 AM
Hi Aoiaheen, i'm still hooked to I Miss You. It was pretty bad that DB didn't continue with recapping... anyway, i just watched ep. 5 and i think it was less grim than before but the angst is still here.
I'm also impressed by the dependance between HJ and SY but both of them had a terrible childhoofd so it's expected from them to be so close (but not that close)... and the poor girl can't catch a break while in Korea, talk about bad luck :(
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aoiaheen
November 23, 2012 at 9:36 AM
Episode 6 is even better. YSH is so perfect as Joon.
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Shi Kyung widow
November 23, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Yeah, I think the drama is getting better. I LOVE the relationship between hang jung woo and soo yeon's mother!
BUT don't get to happy, don't expect good things. This is a melo lol
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Shi Kyung widow
November 23, 2012 at 4:39 PM
oops, "too happy"
la dee dah
November 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM
I'm still watching I Miss You! All the adult actors are doing such a great job! Yoochun is really bringing it, he was funny one moment (the karoake, ha ha) and then had intensity and angst the next. YSH hasn't had as much to do emotion-wise, but his smoldering look when he was walking towards YEH, wow! Though I'm peeved that they went with one plotline (don't want to spoiler it, but the cliff?? Why??). But the show had some heartwarming moments, seeing YEH's character being assertive at her job and succeeding and her moment with YSH, seeing Yoochun's character and his makeshift adopted family... And some good revenge going on.
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katiamon
November 23, 2012 at 10:37 AM
yeah! when i watched the cliff scene i was screaming "mother F!... noooo". It was so sad, but now it makes sense why JW decided to become a detective. also, the interactions of the new family is pretty cool, i'm happy that LSY's mom and EJ didn't end up.
BTW, YSH is so freaking good looking that my mantra while watching him is "he's not in your age league, he's not in your age league" hahaha... I'm repeating this since Arang :D
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Amber
November 24, 2012 at 1:52 AM
I'm 2 or 3 yrs older than him.Does that make me appropriate to dream(salivate) of him?YSH & YEH relationship may be unhealthy but many r shipping them.Seriously,I just want HJW & Joy relationship to become more centre as the story progress bcoz they still has a chance unlike handsome Harry Borrison & charisma Joy which r just shells they make to live on.
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hawaiianseoul
November 23, 2012 at 11:01 PM
YYES.
Despite the bumpy ride of emotions this drama has given me, I'm still watching it.
UGHHHH, though I'm really pissed that they killed off Detective ahjussi. - -
The adult actors are quite satisfying to watch. :)
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5 neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
November 23, 2012 at 6:32 AM
waaaahhh Too busy to watch dramas. but I've finished Nice Guy, I love it! :D
and also Third Ward. and Idk id I'm the only one but when it was the ending I was like "Huh?!? that's it??"
We'll start watching dramas maybe on my Christmas vacation :((
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ShinRaeMi07
November 23, 2012 at 7:10 AM
I was hoping that Oh Ji Ho's character would end up with Kim Min Jung's. :-(
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neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
November 24, 2012 at 9:03 AM
ME TOO! I mean, come on drama WHY? huhu
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korazylady
November 23, 2012 at 7:56 AM
Hmmm, I'm only a couple of episodes into that and not very invested, so maybe I won't bother if it's another WTH ending!
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neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
November 24, 2012 at 9:05 AM
the first few episodes were actually nice, I felt the father and daughter relationship but the romance part was kinda bleh :(
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zgznoona
November 23, 2012 at 8:06 AM
I enjoyed most of 3rd Ward, but the ending was kind of disappointing. Too open for a kdrama, I suppose we all wanted her with Seung Hyun
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neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
November 24, 2012 at 9:07 AM
I really wanted her to be with Seung Hyun. I mean what was the earlier episodes meant when at the last minute you decide to change her heart? I felt like I was cheated.
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zgznoona
November 24, 2012 at 12:15 PM
I know.
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6 cg
November 23, 2012 at 6:33 AM
Good Evening everyone :)
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 6:34 AM
Good Afternoon cg!
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kika
November 23, 2012 at 6:40 AM
It's Good Night where I am :P
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zgznoona
November 23, 2012 at 8:07 AM
still morning for me :)
Good and happy OT Friday cg!
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cg
November 23, 2012 at 8:27 AM
lol :D :D
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7 kika
November 23, 2012 at 6:34 AM
Happy OT everyone!
Just want to ravvvve about how much I LOVE King of Dramas!
Episode 6 has me falling head over heels with it. It finally perfected the cliffhanger and I can't wait to find out what happens this coming Monday!
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RockPaperScissors
November 23, 2012 at 6:40 AM
At first I couldn't believe where they are heading with Go Eun's character but now I think it is brilliant. I'm loving KoD!
Oh and Happy OT everyone!
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reeen
November 23, 2012 at 7:12 AM
the end of episode 6 was so mind-boggling... I liked that frozen shot of the three leads at the end where you can basically only see Go Eun's hair. It looks so ridiculous... I guess they're going to poke fun at all drama tropes. I can't wait for the piggyback :D Maybe they can make Anthony piggyback Kang Hyun Min...
SPOILER
at first I didn't recognize him, but the evil lackey of Empire's current CEO is the guy who had the accident with the deliveryman in episode 1. I could hardly believe it! I thought the guy took the chance of defaming Anthony when it presented itself, but to think that he set the whole thing up in the first place...
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zgznoona
November 23, 2012 at 8:09 AM
So I was right. I thought it was him, but I was too lazy to go and check back ep1
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Koirv
November 23, 2012 at 9:15 AM
GOING CRAAAAAAZY FOR THE KING OF DRAMAS EP 7 PREVIEWWWWW!!!!!!!
CHEMISTRY SIZZLIN IN MY BONES
CANT TAKE IT!!!!!!!!
KING OF DRAMAS
Even if you have to use your hatred, JUST REMEMBER ME, Lee Go eun!! --Anthony Kim
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DayDreamer
November 23, 2012 at 11:00 AM
I know, right! That was my favorite line in the preview too.
Goodness, I thought Nice Guy and Arang and the Magistrate were great but King of Dramas is really on a level of its own. What a superb show. I am just going nuts over it so much so that I'm planning to rewatch episodes 1-6 this weekend again. :)
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8 Mama J
November 23, 2012 at 6:34 AM
Good Morning My Wondrous Beans!
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leaf
November 23, 2012 at 6:36 AM
Happy OT Friday JoAnna Unni!!!!
Hope you have a great week! <3
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Mama J
November 23, 2012 at 7:27 AM
Leaf! How's school and the HKPB*?
*Hot Korean Potential Boyfriend