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Answer Me 1994: Episode 15

With all the husband hullaballoo, sometimes the secondary characters feel a bit too secondary, but then they’ll step to the fore with something really sweet. It’s easy to get caught up in the Oppa-Chilbongie wars (omg you guys are killing me with them), but this drama has a lot more to offer than fanwars and shipping, which is actually why I think it’s doing itself a disservice to be so coy with the “Who is he?” gimmick. Because when the show is all about the small, revealing character moments, it’s totally got my heart.

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EPISODE 15: “The people who changed me, Part 2”

It’s January 1996, and Na-jung is caught in a fierce tug-of-war with Garbage in the front yard… because she’s trying to sneak him into her room at night and he’s resisting. HA. She whines that he can just stay for ten minutes and nobody will be the wiser, except then Dad comes out and sees the scene. Na-jung and Garbage break apart and try not to look guilty, which of course makes them look incredibly guilty.

Dad asks suspiciously, “Are you two… maybe…?” They gulp hard, and then Dad finishes, “still fighting like mad dogs?” He barks at them to stop acting like kids while they sag in visible relief. Thank god for Dad’s dimness.

The family gathers for drama night, and Garbage joins them and makes sheepish vague excuses for why he’s been too busy to come by more often. Samcheonpo says knowingly, “And WHY do you suppose he’s been so BUSY?” (wink-wink), for which he gets his neck in a chokehold. Samcheonpo asks for some sympathy, though, since he’s going through a hard time—Yoon-jin’s been reacting to rumors of Seo Taiji and Boys’ retirement by camping outside his house with other fans. It’s hard dating a rabid fangirl.

Na-jung scoots closer to Garbage and tries to get coupley, like linking arms or putting her head on Oppa’s shoulder. He’s too conscious of Mom and Dad sitting in front of them and jerks away from her, though, jumping up nervously to get some distance. Which, aw. Girl just wants some love!

Mom and Dad remain oblivious and wonder why Na-jung can’t get a date; Dad says he’d love to push for Chilbongie if he were still living in Seoul, and Mom asks Binggeure if he knows any buddies to set her up with. Garbage looks crushed to be left out of the running, since Dad says he’d be happy with even a homeless alien if he accepted Na-jung’s personality.

Garbage takes advantage of a moment to put baby Joon down to sleep and motions for Na-jung to join him. He’s still too jumpy to let her get close, and when Mom drops by they leap apart suspiciously.

Mom feeds Garbage some soup, and Dad joins them and gets affectionate with Mom. It’s a sight that makes Garbage smile to himself… until that smile fades as he thinks a think we’re not allowed access to. Why are you sad, Oppa? Why can’t I know why?

Na-jung insists on seeing Garbage out, then tries to attack him with more hugs. He shoves her away repeatedly and finally dumps her on her bed, though he softens the blow with an aegyo wave goodnight. She slips outside anyway and waves some more as he exits from the front door, and they stand there exchanging adorkable waves at each other.

Then Mom almost catches them and Garbage scrambles to pretend nothing’s going on… and then that pensive look steals across his face again as he sees Na-jung waving merrily at him. Why are you making me nervous, Oppa?

By the time we hit the end of January, Samcheonpo’s relationship woes continue. In a hilarious scene, Samcheonpo sits by as silent comforter while Yoon-jin wails in grief, having gone to Taiji oppa’s house after he moved out and failed to loot anything, losing out to the other fangirls. Mind you, we’re not talking about personal possessions, but scraps of wallpaper and doorknobs and other fixtures their Oppa-god once touched with his hallowed hands. Or other body parts—Yoon-jin calls herself stupid for not thinking as shrewdly as the fanclub president, who ran off with the toilet seat cover.

Yoon-jin beats her “useless brain” for not thinking of walking off with a toilet or a faucet, and Samcheonpo just walks out silently. He just doesn’t get it.

Garbage and his fellow med students are given the next month off from hospital duties, and their professor advises them to get in their family and dating time while they have it, ’cause come March they’ll be back to the grind. Garbage excuses himself from drinks with the rest because he’s so excited to have Na-jung time, but then hears a message from her and panics.

As he takes off running and speeds home biting his knuckles, we hear her message telling him she’s on his way to his house and will let herself in. You’d think from his reaction that he was hiding a secret girlfriend or something equally dire, because he practically trips himself trying to beat her to his front door.

Na-jung arrives just ahead of him, though, and lets herself in. Immediately her jaw drops: His apartment is the trash can from hell. Not that we’re surprised, but it really is amazingly disgusting. Garbage offers the meek excuse, “I gathered the trash all together so I could clean it all at once.” Psh.

Na-jung can’t let this stand, so she kicks him out and gets to cleaning, and exhausts herself so much she falls asleep on the car ride home. Oppa keeps the car running with the heat while she sleeps, and once she wakes she puckers up for a big ole goodbye kiss. He casts nervous looks around since Dad could pop up at any moment and sends her away kissless, which makes her pouty.

Chilbongie, meanwhile, is in his last days of baseball training camp, and the idea of leaving in two days has his heart heavy. It’s only now that Na-jung notices her photo tucked inside his baseball cap, though she doesn’t show a strong reaction to the discovery. (Sad.)

Chilbongie is given an unexpected boon when his director lets him out to spend his last day with family. His mood makes a wild swing up from gloom to hopeful excitement as he dashes off in smiles and heads back to Seoul holding that old baseball. He doesn’t go straight to the boardinghouse, however, opting to call and leave a voicemail. All we hear is a long “Um…” and a short while later, Garbage gets a voicemail. And then so does Na-jung. Who’d he call?

Chilbongie waits outside while both Oppa and Na-jung head out in response to their calls… and it’s Garbage who shows up to see him. Na-jung, on the other hand, races to take care of Yoon-jin, who is passed out dead drunk after haunting Seo Taiji’s hotel all night. Samcheonpo is with her, but he’s just about at the end of his rope and leaves Yoon-jin in Na-jung’s care.

The boys relocate for a drink, and Chilbongie explains his purpose for calling Garbage out: to give him something. With that, he hands over that old baseball and tells its story.

This ball comes from his first defeat—it was the bottom of the 9th with two outs, no hits or runs on the scoreboard. Up stepped a batter who never had his game together, so Chilbongie pitched a hard one down the line… and the guy hit a home run. He’d been furious with himself afterward, but his coach gave him the ball and told him to accept it and win the next one.

So Chilbongie did, and exactly one year later, he played the same team and struck out that same batter—with the same pitch. “I’ll leave this ball with you,” he says to Garbage. “And I don’t know when, but someday I’ll get it back from you.”

Chilbongie: “Dreams always drive me and cause me to change. But what drives and changes me even more than that is the rival I meet at the corner on my way to those dreams.”

The next day, the boardinghouse family wonders about Chilbongie’s departure, and at mention of Yoon-jin’s name, Samcheonpo says flatly that he knows no such person. He appeals to the others for sympathy over Yoon-jin’s Seo Taiji obsession, and has to hush Binggeure when he brings up the possibility of Seo Taiji retiring. They agree that Yoon-jin would throw herself off the roof it such a day ever came—just as the TV reports that Seo Taiji officially retired today.

Almost immediately, loud wails come from Yoon-jin’s room, and Samcheonpo races up to push her back inside, yanking the door shut before she can actually go and throw herself out a window. Aw, he was complaining just seconds ago but now he’s dead-set on keeping her inside.

A long while later, Yoon-jin sits on the floor of her room, softly singing Seo Taiji’s “I Know” to herself in a sort of elegy: “I know somebody has to leave me… I couldn’t say I love you, it’s too late now anyway… Please just don’t say the world farewell, you were everything to me, oh please don’t leave me, are you really leaving me?”

Through it all, Samcheonpo sits on the other side of the door, guarding and waiting. (And eating.)

Na-jung gets a message on her pager, but when she checks it, she gets nothing but silence and hangs up. On the other end of the line we see Chilbongie in a phone booth, unable to say anything.

Yoon-jin lies in bed for the next two days, not eating or drinking a thing. Na-jung asks Garbage for his medical advice and scoffs at the suggestion that Samcheonpo feed Yoon-jin, considering their personalities. She says that the boyfriend should be more understanding, and Oppa assures her that he would act differently in that kind of situation, since he’s as open-hearted as the ocean. Then she says she’s going to go see her basketball oppa play in a game (nice of the show to remember that basketball was once her everything), and Oppa puts his foot down. “Ocean, my foot,” she grumps.

Samcheonpo gets more and more worried, telling Yoon-jin she’ll die if she doesn’t eat. She says dully that that’s her wish, and he frustratedly leaves her to her sulking.

Thank goodness for Dad, then, who isn’t having it and literally carries her to the kitchen (and then accidentally knocks her head into a doorjamb, whoops). He orders her to eat and everyone urges her to try something. Samcheonpo scolds her not to be so rude to Mom and Dad, and she takes up a spoonful, which unfortunately makes her gag and race for the bathroom.

Garbage drops Na-jung off after another date, and as usual gruffly orders her inside, declining her invitation to come in. She makes a show of grumbling and then sneaks a peck on the cheek, grinning that she just likes him so much. But thank heavens it finally gets Garbage a kick in the pants, and he leans over to plant a kiss—a good one, on the lips—and even moves in for a second, shoving aside his worry over being seen.

Then he walks her to the door holding her hand, and checks that her father will be home tomorrow night. Omo, is tomorrow the big day? He tells her to dress nicely and says that he’ll tell Dad about their relationship, and then they can date openly. He hugs her close and wonders if they’ll be able to get any sleep tonight.

Yoon-jin continues to be in her funk, listening to her Seo Taiji tapes on repeat, and the family wonders where Samcheonpo has been the last day or two. At that, he comes home… lugging a toilet bowl. Omg, is that what I think it is? The family gapes at the sight, and he grimaces that he can’t believe he’s gone to such lengths.

He tells Yoon-jin that he’s just come from Seo Taiji’s house and starts hauling the toilet upstairs. And that, finally, brings a smile back to Yoon-jin’s face.

A little while later they sit admiring its new place on the terrace, where Yoon-jin has planted a little tree inside the bowl. Samcheonpo asks her why she likes Seo Taiji so much, and she links her arm through his and leans on his shoulder before answering.

She explains how she was embarrassed in grade school when all the kids found out about her mother being mute, and it made her not want to be around anyone or stared at. She’d shut herself in her room watching TV, and one day she saw Seo Taiji on a docu-type program. The glimpse at the real person behind the star made him feel closer, like a real oppa, and listening to his songs made her feel stronger.

Na-jung: “Just as Seo Taji changed Yoon-jin, so did Yoon-jin for Sung-kyun, and Oppa for me, and me for Oppa. We did things that we never would have thought to do if not for love. What changes the world is love.”

And so, Oppa greets Mom and Dad formally and explains his feelings for Na-jung. Mom’s first reaction is a laugh of disbelief, but Dad stands up with a stone face and leaves the room without a word.

Na-jung paces outside anxiously while Garbage talks with Mom, and he calls her afterward to assure her that all was fine, and that they can date openly now. Garbage gets off the call and spots Chilbongie’s baseball, which he puts back into his drawer.

At the same time, Chilbongie calls the boardinghouse from Japan, and the kids all gather ’round excitedly to chat with him. They pass the phone amongst themselves, but he hurriedly cuts the call short before they can call Na-jung over, giving the excuse that he has to get back to training. Of course, it isn’t lost on her that it’s eleven at night and too late for training, making it all too evident why he rang off.

Chilbongie sits in his hotel room and sees the snow outside, which makes him recall the other times he’d seen snow with Na-jung—when she’d been excited about the first snow, on the night they’d had their last drink together, and when he’d asked to date her in the future if they met again.

So we return to 2013, where Garbage finishes beating Samcheonpo with a pillow for bringing up an awkward subject. Chilbongie’s serious face breaks into a small smile, and he tosses the baseball over to Garbage, who smiles back at him. There’s zero explanation for why, but I’m sure we can rustle up a hundred and one interpretations.

The potentially clairvoyant cousin is released from the hospital and chats with Garbage’s brother over the phone. As it turns out, it was hyung who told her in advance about Garbage’s girlfriend, HA. So she gave him a false breakup prediction just to needle him, did she?

Probably-non-clairvoyant cousin extorts a bit of spending cash from Garbage, pouting that the shuttle buses aren’t running and she needs to take a taxi. He barks that the shuttle is still good for another run but grudgingly hands over the cash anyway.

That puts her in such a good mood that she heaps the flattery on him—Oppa’s the best, and he totally has to stay with his girlfriend. Ha, but nobody believes you anymore. Oppa certainly doesn’t appear to, though he stops to consider her words for a moment.

The cousin bypasses the shuttle stop and hails a cab… just as an employee informs the people in line that the last shuttle has been canceled. Hm, so is she possibly clairvoyant after all? Or is this coincidence? Or door number three, and the show’s just yanking our chain every chance it gets? Yeah, I’m going with three.

 
COMMENTS

Sooooo, the husband. We’re leaning toward Garbage again (though I’d argue this has not changed in weeks), with additional info about some of the ambiguous points, like the psychic’s breakup prediction being a fake (or at least contradicted by the newer one). Based on the story as of today, the most straightforward reading of the baseball possession is that Chilbongie never got it back from Garbage, but that in 2013 he’s moved past it and can look at it with a nostalgic smile.

There are additional ways to interpret this, of course, because we don’t know the details and have to rely on connecting a lot of dots ourselves. (If Chilbongie is the husband, maybe he got the ball back at some point and didn’t want to hurt Oppa’s feelings by reminding him in 2013. In that case, however, throwing the ball to him seems out of character. I feel like the one who “lost” can do it to the one who “won” to say No hard feelings, but the reverse doesn’t work so well.)

The writer is deliberately withholding information from us so there is crucial stuff missing to purposely keep us in the dark (which I am getting mighty tired of), so at any point between now and 2013, the story could change with one big twist. However, based on what has happened to date, I’m going with the straightforward explanation. And thus far the show has generally gone with the simple explanation over the convoluted rationale.

One of my big pet peeves about this writing choice is that I feel like it’s actively fueling the fanwars, which, you guuuuuuys. This nonsense has to stop, please—the escalation of animosity between sides is ruining the game for everyone. I like both guys, so reading the back-and-forth insults leaves me very confused because I find myself siding with whoever’s being insulted purely on principle, only the insults are flying in both directions so now I just don’t like anybody. This is not helping anyone.

I do like that the baseball is tied into the concept of Chilbongie “accepting things”—yes, it spurred him to come back and win the second game, but to do so he had to first accept his defeat—accept, not stew in self-hate. In that sense it acts as a closing of one chapter with the option for a second, rather than just some stubborn challenge to Garbage. Because let’s be honest here, nobody wants to watch two cavemen fighting over a girl like she’s theirs to possess. We’ve seen those dramas before, and this one is better than that. I don’t read his message as “Watch your back, I’m gonna steal your girl,” but a follow-up to his comments to Na-jung in yesterday’s episode—he’s expressing an understanding that he missed whatever chance he had this time but that he still wants one later. And that he believes he’s not out of the running for that future shot.

I continue to be annoyed at the show for jerking my chain, which is preventing me from riding the emotional wave with the couple. In contrast, I loved the Samcheonpo and Yoon-jin storyline today, and the juxtaposition of them against the baseball handoff really highlighted how much I preferred to watch a relationship that is just allowed to run its course. Knowing that Yoon-jin and Samcheonpo end up married in no way diminished my appreciation for their development, and allowed us instead to explore the question of how their connection grew.

It felt so realistic to have Samcheonpo nearing the end of his rope with Yoon-jin’s obsession with Seo Taiji, despite going to lengths to find ways around his frustration, because her love for that guy is pretty damn extreme. Funny from a distance, perhaps, but infuriating to live with. I think we can see that Yoon-jin cares for Samcheonpo as her boyfriend and that her infatuation with Seo Taiji is akin to hero-worship (so, they are separate feelings and therefore not at odds), but it sure doesn’t feel that way to the boyfriend left on the outside.

But when she’s at her loneliest moment, I love that he arrives at the decision to choose the thing that will help her, even if he doesn’t understand why. He has been beating his head against a wall trying to understand why she’d feel this way and hasn’t been able to move past that incomprehension, but in her moment of need, that is no longer the point. And even knowing that they’re still together in the future, this is the moment when you realize that they’re really going to be okay. I would love this moment of clarity in our main storyline too, even if I feel like that is just not going to happen. I know that continuing the mystery is the point, but if we continue to obscure the truth, we don’t get wonderful relationship moments like this, which is a shame.

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Thank you. I was waiting for your update before I go to bed.

Oppa and Na Jung make me feel lonely. They are so adorable. Oppa you are the best even with your garbage room.

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Nowadays i feel like trash oppa with that mess.
Sigh, finals week does that to you. You university/college students know what i mean.

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My finals are oveeeer!!! I just cleaned my room, so happy!!!

But let's be real. Even if Oppa's on break, his room would be equally horrible. Like he said, he's "not human".

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You know why i love trash cause he is so relatable. I get where he is coming from especially the too lazy or busy to clean thing.
Am with the same mess in the room. I do have exams coming up in ten days which i use as an excuse but is not one as I have no trouble coming online for hours but cant spend 10 minutes to fold my clothes.

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Please, procrastination is a genetic condition that cannot be cured.

If you have to clean your room, it'll be "but I have exams!"

If you have to study, it'll be "5 minutes more, this thing online is interesting!"

If you have to do both, it's "C'mon, I'm hungry. I'll do them after eating." And after eating, it'll be "I'm not full yet. I should eat more."

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@ Peeps Can just say i love you..

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@insomniac: Of course you can. No one can stop anyone from loving someone (especially when the person loved is me! haha, just kidding. :D)

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I died laughing at the "im not human"
Trash, you really are not. You are that homeless alien that appa would accept for his najungie. buhaha.

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Lucky you, I still have two weeks to go until exams are over... but in contrast, my house gets very clean during finals due to procrasticleaning.

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Ahh yes, procrasticleaning... I know it well. Hey at least it's semi-productive, right? ...right?

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i'm just done with uni.. and my room is still a mess.. idek anymore..

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If you notice at the end of the episode (when he makes the call to NJ that everything is OK) his room is actually clean!

And since the title was people who change us, that NJ said she changed Oppa just like he changed her. And I just grinning so much.

Not to mention it reminds me of my brother whose room was a disaster during his university days (to the horror of my mom) (maybe not Trash level, but very close), but now that he has a serious long time girlfriend and a stable job, his place is very tidy.

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I noticed that, too. He's probably putting in extra effort to be tidy so NJ wouldn't have to clean his room lest she hurts her back again.

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Well, remember that she rage-cleaned his place earlier. Plus, he dumped his jacket on the floor as he sat down at his desk.

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lol I thought he dumbed it on the floor also but he actually laid it on the arm of the chair. He's not going to be an ass after he saw how hard it was for her to make the apartment look like that .

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Oppa and Na Jung story is sweet but i feel they lack of deep moments like Yoon Jin story. Thumb up for Yoon Jin today. I expected Reply 1997 is about fan girl, hot blood 20 years old so i am a little dissapointed with how they poitrait Na Jung so far. Besides being caring and loving her oppa, she is a fading character.

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I thought the baseball analogies in the earlier episodes were pretty cool, but I really, really did not like Chilbong equating not being able to win Na Jung's affections to losing a game of baseball. And the whole 'Oh, I'm gonna come back to take that ball back one day'. Ugh, please stop. I’ve been understanding of heartache so far. It sucks to be in love with someone who doesn't see you in that light at all, and I do feel for him. But, this is just crossing the line on so many levels. First, Na Jung is not a possession to be given away or taken back as you wish. She's not a game of baseball, where your hard work and dedication is directly proportional to the amount of success you achieve, other factors controlled. She is her own person, and HER FEELINGS MATTER. It matters as much as your feelings do, so dude, seriously back the fuck off. And no, being all sweet and understanding towards her (though I did side eye the 'I lost you, because I was too nice' bit, because that reeks of the typical passive aggressive "nice guy" syndrome but that's a whole different discussion), but going up to her boyfriend to say he's going to steal her from him one day is not backing off.

There might be some fundamental parallels between how love and baseball work, but I think the writers are being ignorant to the fact that when you play any sports, you play to win, you play to beat the rival, and the game itself is just a powerless entity that is only being swayed by the actions of the players. This is why equating Na Jung and her affections to a game of baseball is so problematic. It completely erases Na Jung's own feelings, her preferences, her agency. Her being equated to a game of baseball means, she doesn't have a say in who wins her affections, and I don't know about you all, but to me, that's a pretty troublesome statement to make about love. My beef is more with the writers than Chilbong the character. I still love him and truly hope that he finds happiness soon, be it in baseball, a different girl, or even Najung, granted the writers make it happen in an organic, believable way, though with each passing episode I'm getting more and more skeptical of the writers being able to pull that off.

I'm starting to think that I had been giving the writers way too much credit all along. I was confident they would be able to continue telling heart-tugging stories, while maintaining the husband mystery on the side. But, they're letting the husband mystery, which is really just a gimmick and which adds nothing good to my watching experience, take over the entire show. They're compromising characters, throwing misleading clues left and right, and honestly taking a LOT away from the fun, laidback watch Reply 1994 used to be in the first half, all for the sake of a gimmick. If Oppa is really the husband, what the heck is up with the overwhelming amount of clues pointing to Chilbong in the 2013 scenes? I'm honestly so freaking annoyed that I cannot enjoy them being adorable in love without feeling like something awful is lurking just around the corner. And if Chilbong is the husband, I'm almost certain that no matter how the writers try to work it, it's going to be feel rushed and jarring after Na Jung spent 15 episodes being completely unaffected by him. I feel like the husband has to be Chilbong considering everything so far, but at this point, I would be disappointed with that even if I was a NJ/Chilbong shipper.

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agree with some bits.
I personally never thought chilbongie came on AS strong as people make him out to be, but i think the writers did a misstep with the baseball analogy where it was basically implied that winning na jung's love is akin to him winning the baseball game after a year of losing his first one. It just once again reinforces the idea that this is all a battle of win or lose, which i think is what FUELS the fanwars. It gives CB shippers something to root for, and it gives something for T shippers to criticize. Yeah, so far this show has been good with the baseball analogies etcetc but i don't think the one they used in this episode was appropriate considering where we are NOW. it just doesn't feel right, so i was mostly scratching my head. You can just see how much is sacrificed in this show for the mystery of it all.

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I don't think Chilbongie meant to portray Na Jung as a possession. From the baseball analogy, he means that he acknowledges that he lost this chance with Na Jung this time, and he's accepted that already. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't have any more chances in the future, and that if that chance opens up, he'll definitely take it. Same with how I don't see it as him going for another man's girlfriend - he gave the baseball to Trash and told him its story as a sign of respect for Trash and a way of laying all his intentions on the table. This love triangle is a very transparent one, in that now everyone knows each other's feelings. Na Jung knows how Chilbongie feels towards her and he understands that she is wholeheartedly in love with Trash. That's why I don't see a problem with him telling her that in the future, if she's single, then they could possible date. It's just him being honest and baring his heart to her.

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It's funny bc he could've keep that shit to himself instead of seeking oppa out to tell him that to make things awkward for everyone. Just for these shenanigans he doesn't deserve her. He should just be happy for her & if he does get a chance then so be it. It is more convincing that way. I would like to see CB mature into a young man instead of an annoying lil boy crying about not getting the girl and being rude to the happy couple.

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oppafighting!: I'm an Oppa Shipper but your comment kinda pissed me off.

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yea that comment was def a bit too much. CB is not a crying little boy, hes someone who genuinely likes NJ. i do not agree with his decision to give oppa the baseball simply because i see no reason why he has to provoke NJs current bf in that way. however, i still empathize with his desperation. CB is young and new to love, i feel like he deserves to make a few mistakes here and there. i hope he finds the happiness that he deserves in other ways!

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If Trash is the kind of man that he is and he's secure in his love for NJ, then he shouldn't be affected with what Chil Bong said when he sought him out. He can't help who he loves and love is not something that you can just turn off one day. And here we go again with the "deserving". He doesn't deserve her as much as Trash doesn't deserve her. NaJung chooses who she likes and at the moment, she likes Trash. Who's to say that along the way, that wouldn't change?

Contrary to what you said, I think he's quite mature and shedding some tears for "the one that got away" (or "the one that got away - for now". What? I have to keep my hopes up. Don't judge.) especially for a first love doesn't make him an annoying li'l boy. I suppose it's just natural when the affection is real. Those pesky emotions. I'm interested to know why you said he was being rude to the happy couple. Which scene?

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Bc it is so respectful of him to sought out oppa even after knowing that him & Nj are together right? bc in real life if someone were to do that you wouldnt get angry or think that they are crazy? the maturity level between oppa's fan's & CB's fans are really different. LOVE ISN't a sport where if you practice & is persistent enough that you will end up winning. CB wont be the husband bc he is selfish & doesn't understand that to love is to be happy for someone LOL

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@oppafighting! So when Trash compared love to baseball in episode 11 what does that mean? (Besides a clue that there are many rivals, hinting at Haitai being the husband.) Is he a bad character too now?

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Aw, CB isn't an annoying little cry baby.
I'll have to disagree with you, and i prefer trash.

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Actually it's every time Chilbongie and Oppa talk that Oppa FINALLY steps up his game. It was only after the first talk that he decided he really did like Na Jung and didn't want to lose her. And it was only after this last talk that he decided they needed to date openly and tell her parents. Chilbongie is responsible for most, if not all, of the progress in Oppa and Na Jungs relationship.

Oppa shippers should be pushing him to have more talks with Oppa. It seems to be the one thing to motivate Oppa from his snail like pace.

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"Chilbongie is responsible for most, if not all, of the progress in Oppa and Na Jungs relationship."

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. So now, Chilbong should get credit for a relationship that he's been actively hoping is going to fizzle out in time? Are you fucking kidding me?

I'll give you that Chilbong helped Oppa realize his feelings for Na Jung at first, but from where are you getting the idea that his talk with Chilbong (where Oppa actually didn't really say anything and it was all Chilbong making a thinly veiled threat to steal Na Jung from him one day) prompted him to talk to the parents? Even if that conversation had spurred him on in any way to talk to her parents (which I'm sorry, but I just don't see how you reached this conclusion), that's still all of TWO instances that Chilbong has been responsible for helping Oppa and Na Jung's relationship move forward. Is realizing his feelings for Na Jung and telling her parents about their relationship the only thing that has happened between them in the past few episodes? Because when you say "most, if not all", it sure as heck sounds like Chilbong is actively helping them get together, not secretly hurting and hoping that they break up so he can have a proper chance with Na Jung.

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I'm not a Chilbong shipper so I'm really not trying to push that agenda. I agree that he would like nothing more then for Oppa and Na Jung to fizzle. But his actions, unintentionally, are having the opposite effect. They are actually galvanizing Oppa to push forward and deepening their bond

I'm actually one of the few who really likes both guys and don't care much who ends up the husband. It's obvious everyone is close friends as of 2013, so if everyone is happy with their respective roles then who the husband is doesn't much matter to me.

My post really was just expressing a different opinion. You don't have to agree. I'm okay with simply agreeing to disagree.

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I'm not saying that I don't understand why Oppa is being cautious. I realize the potential effect on lifelong relationships that dating Na Jung could have. But I also know that he was very lucky she still was there for him to date after waiting almost a year after finding out she liked him before doing anything about it.

And now they'd been sneaking around for six months keeping their romance a secret from the parents. You could see in this ep that Na Jung wanted to be able to be more affectionate, but that their secrecy was getting in the way.

But yes, I do feel like Oppa is taking things EXTREMELY slow. That he has reasons doesn't change the fact.

As for growing up, I'm a 35 year-old, married, mother of two. I'm also a college graduate who works full time in the profession for which I'm educated. I've, sometimes sadly, been fully grown up for a long time. :)

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And why is it "That shit"?

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AGREE!

So, according to the Garbage shippers on here, Chilbongie's feelings are "that shit" and Garbage's feelings are the only kind acknowledged as actual feelings???
Shows the maturity level of the Garbage shippers on here...never have I seen such vile hatred for the other part of the love triangle, as if Garbage is the only love that matters!

For a fact, I'm not a shipper for either...but the excessiveness on here is alarmingly vile. I usually read most comments on dramas I follow on the dramas that Dramabeans recaps for others' insights, but now it's just disgusting with the all the bashing that's going on a whole another level.

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i think he's just reminding oppa that if in the future there is a chance, he'll be the one going for najung, so oppa better not give him that chance~

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Why does he need to tell Oppa? Simply because Chilbong needs a screentime. His screentime is meager as it is, and PD needs to show Chilbong's face at least a little bit to keep the "tug of Najung" longer.

Frankly, I'm up to my neck with the love triangle. Rather than this crap, I'd love to see Chilbong's baseball career development. I'd rather see Oppa dealing with another patient. I'd rather see Najung screaming at Lee Sangmin Oppa.

At this point, it's clear as day that Oppa is endgame. Najung is clearly fixated on Oppa. And whereas in early episodes she had a moment of physical awareness for Chilbong, right now Chilbong only elicits guilt rather than pure internal conflict.

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I am a CB shipper, and I agree with you 100% we know the endgame is Oppa and there is nothing to change, unless they make a totally blindside right there (which I doubt). The sad part is that when the show leave the romance in the back burner it brings out great points and development... right now, it's making me SUPER MAD! I hate that a great character like CB is being made to cause heartache and guilt, just get the guy a girlfriend. But going back to hat JB said that look oppa gave NJ worries me and it worries me strongly, apart from that there is the fact that even of NJ is happy she's with oppa there's something there, in that relationship that worries me. But that might be just me.

Let's just keep the story moving, and go back to the days where this show made me blush....

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In CB's scene, I didn't see it as him wanting to stir up some crap. I felt it was more for himself than anything else, of acknowledging T and NJ's relationship but letting T know that doesn't mean his feelings for NJ are gone.

On a side note, I feel like everything points to CB being the endgame (just the timeline of things even though NJ hasn't shown any feelings towards him...yet). To make a perfect guy whose mantra is to keep trying until success. only for him not to get the girl seems like a cruel joke.

And everyone's right. The writers keep taking us to extremes: it's CB, then it's T, and onwards. All for this husband gimmick, that all the cute moments can't really be enjoyed b/c I keep wondering if this is all another ruse. Sigh, I'm more frustrated than enjoying the show.

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No, CB is not a crying little boy, he's just not a quitter. Like what his friend/catcher/wifey said that during his early baseball days when he was having a hard time playing, he worked really really hard like there's no tomorrow. He knows exactly what he wants.

I think oppa and NJ will break up during his internship days, and CB become the rebound love but Oppa still the end game and will be the husband on that 2002 wedding.

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Beginning of ep:
YoonJin said: That baseball has a story.
Samcheonpo said: What's funny about a baseball being in this house?

The books on the shelf are: Muscles, Physical management for neurological conditions, so...IDK.

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I agree with you totally. Though I understand the frustrations some people have towards Chilbongie, I don't think he has, in any way, shown us that he thinks of NJ as a posession.

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i also have a problem with the baseball giving/conversation between CB and T. i hate it because it feels wrong on so many levels.

i hate it particularly because it has done an injustice to my favorite character for the sake of keeping the love triangle and the husband-mystery game going.

from ep 2-10, maybe 3-10, it was established that CB is polite and considerate. he is persistent and hardworking but also a decent person. for the sake of the stupid love triangle and husband-mystery gimmick, CB lost the decent, polite, and considerate and is just plainly persistent.

i think he hasn't made any advances on nj after his confession, although he did try to spend more time with her, he was always aware of the boundaries of friendship.

but lately, there's so much disconnect with his actions that i'm confused about him, really. and i blame the writers. because if they followed their characterization of CB from 2-10, he wouldn't do half the things he did in these later episodes.

his comment to NJ about being nice is i think being misunderstood. in context, i think what he means is that NJ is saying he is this all-around wonderful guy but it's unfortunate that she doesn't love him back romantically. it's like expressing his frustration with his reality of having an unrequited love? it may be too much to say that to NJ but i'm cutting him some slack because he is drunk and maybe he lost some of his self-control regarding the situation.

when he gave NJ his cap with her picture, it seemed that he's moving on, however difficult that may be, but then his statement confused me because he is telling her that he is waiting/hoping/wanting for a different future?

i understand that he still has hope. and i think it will be ok to talk to his cousin BG or to his catcher friend IS about it. but not to NJ. but again, i can cut him some slack because he is drunk and maybe he lost some of his self-control regarding the situation.

but in this episode, seeking out T to say the meaningful history of the ball, and basically saying he'll come back for the ball and NJ, that is not CB as i knew him.

CB it was shown in previous episodes, works on his own to become better at baseball. he doesn't share info about how two of his teammates are options because it is not the decent thing to do.

i would think he knows that seeking out T and telling him about waiting/hoping/wanting for a different future is not a good thing to do. (like i said, he can think that, and tell his confidantes, but not the girl who was his first love and not her boyfriend who is also a friend).

the only thing that makes sense is he is changing to suit the story of keeping the love triangle until episode 20-21 and to continue the husband-mystery gimmick.

and i hate that. because i love CB. it's bad enough that his story arc revolves around this love triangle, it's even worse that baseball, which is his life outside the love triangle has become integral to the love triangle, and what's worst is that there is a huge probability that his character will be made even more inconsistent so as to suit the husband-mystery game and the love triangle.

i hate it, to be honest.

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I didn't want to reply to this whole fan war of who is a better man or better for NJ. Frankly at this point I don't really care anymore and I just want more character development.

However I have to disagree about the baseball thing. It seems like NJ and Oppa did date pretty secretly before CB had to leave for the month of training and my guess is that it was only when YJ spilled the beans about them kissing did CB and Binggrae find out that they were officially an item.

So my take on the baseball analogy is that CB is acknowledging/respects their relationship but reminding Trash that 1) CB will still stand strong and might still pursue NJ in the future if she is available (which he said to NJ the night before he left) and 2) he will bounce back from this, not necessary to date NJ but he will learn from the experience to become a better person. So if NJ is the baseball (his most precious memory) he is giving it to Trash...

I think that Trash and CB are pretty mature in their own way. The phone call to NJ was pretty bittersweet and respectful in his own way... things that he wanted to say but couldn't.. and he could have gone and see NJ/the house that night but didn't.

Also, it's pretty interesting how it was initially sunbaenim in 1996 and in 2013 it was Hyungnim (for CB to Trash). Did anyone else notice? Whatever happened, they were good friends in 2013, so I'm happy.

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I love CB & WAS on the NJ/CB ship but seriously, all that pining is starting to frustrate me to no end. I felt like kicking CB, telling him what his coach told him: Accept it. Get a grip and get on with your life! Love is not a baseball game!

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As a big Chilbong fan, I would have to agree with some of what you're saying. I do not like the implication that the analogy gives off which is that love is a competition, and Na Jeong's heart is the prize AND also because it doesn't fall in line with the course of action he's taken because he's not meddling or actively trying to break up Oppa and Na Jeong's relationship. In fact, he's doing the opposite by physically taking himself out of the equation and just waiting for when the time is right and Na Jeong's is single and is ready to open her heart to love someone else again.

So I think the writers did a misstep there (as if they haven't already by still insisting on this hubby mystery) by fanning the shipping flames instead of dousing them.

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Dating relationships don't always work out. CB understands that NJ likes Oppa, so Oppa gets the 1st chance. If things work out, fine, he has to swallow the bitter pill. But it's not like ppl who date NEVER grow apart; if that happens, he'll be there. He is willing to wait it out.

That's what he is saying. I don't see anything wrong with that. I see that as his dedication. He doesn't bother her or make a pest of himself. If we could be so lucky to have a guy who loves us that way!

I don't think we have NJ spending 15 eps being in love w Oppa. We can also say that it's 13 eps that show CB being in love with NJ. In life, two ppl don't always fall in love w each other at the same time. So CB falls for her first. She may get a change of heart.

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for some strange reason, i still think chil bong is the husband.

it's the little things, but the parallels between their present/future (2013) and the scenes in the 1990s.

which some people may say pretty trivial but look at what happened with yoon jin and coffee. it was in passing that she doesn't drink coffee and ordered juice in 2013 in episode 1, then it was mentioned again in 1990s prior to them going to sam chun po where she drank the coffee that sam chun po's mom prepared and then it was viewed as a grand gesture on her part to be nice to sam chun po and his parents.

yoon jin has mentioned the groom has been waiting for that day (wedding day) for a long time, and chil bong's current state is waiting. and he has been waiting for a looooooooong time.

or how in episode 1, it was mentioned that na jung's fiance/groom said it was ok to fangirl on weekends, then with oppa's scene saying he'll break her legs if she goes to fangirl, and contrast that to chil bong using his connections to make na jung talk to her idol in an earlier episode, like ep 4 or 5.

and as i mentioned before, for a drama that is supposed to withhold the names of the guys, chil bong's name has been revealed as early as ep. 3 and he's the only one that has a name, not just a nickname. it's rarely said in the earlier episodes, just with the mom and bing geu re and a baseball coach or two. but it is often repeated in the later episodes.

na jung has also changed how she calls him over time: chil bong, bong-ah, joon-ah, and joon (in 2013).

chil bong has also changed how he calls trash oppa over time: hyung/hyung-nim, sunbae/sunbae-nim, then back again to hyung-nim.

what's more interesting is bing geu re is also calling trash oppa hyung-nim now even though when they have gotten closer in the past, he maintained to always call him sunbae. hyung-nim is also a term used for in-laws, so that can be a reason?

making him the husband may seem weird but there are clues or parallels in the earlier episodes that will make sense of the outcome. and his story as he fell in love was covered in the earlier episodes. and as he and na jung became closer as good friends was already covered.

it will be a challenge because they have to resolve trash oppa and na jung's relationship in a way that all three can sit together and be friends in the present/future (2013). and go ara has to show exceptional acting chops on getting heartbroken and falling in love again, etc. and they have to work on the timing of chil bong and na jung meeting again and falling in love.

but the thing that was always emphasized in chil bong and na jung's scenes are clocks, watches, calendars -- time and timing. it happened before when he confessed in new year's eve, and again in this episode, with the phone call to the boarding house.

all the other characters’ story arcs have been resolved here more or less: progress in sam chun po and yoon jin's relationship, hai tai growing up, bing geu rae with his dreams and family, etc. so surely, more focus will be given in the love triangle, as crazy as that statement sounds given that it was always the focus of the drama.

the only concern is if they go that route, can they do it well enough that the viewers are okay with it?

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If they go that way and people are okay with it, then we know people have horrendous taste and prefer gimmickry to actual emotional drama.

I do not know why so many people want the driving point of the story to be the little clues when there is a heartfelt romance going on. Ep 16 seems to be Oppa/Nj sep angst and Ep 21 will probably be the last hurrah for the couple announced at its start. That means you want a love story that is at most 4/21, which given the glacial pace of the show is generous, and a bunch of meaningless little clues. I am completely baffled by such a position; it is rooting for bad story-telling. That is not an end anyone should want, no matter how infatuated you are with any one character.

15 episodes in, if Trash and Nj are not endgame we are wasting our time with the romance. I would only watch something the team did again if they promised it would be completely a friendship drama and not a romance, because they would have proven emphatically that they cannot do romance.

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Chil Bong stops talking to Na Jung is a sign that he accepts her relationship and does not want to interfer between those two people. However, he confronted Trash before that he liked Na jung, so the baseball and the meeting is another time that he wanted to tell Trash about his feeling. It is not about Na Jung. It is about him to accept it and not give up. He wants to tell Trash that.

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The whole baseball thing is yet another reason why I think Chilbongie is the husband. Why include such a plot device if it doesn't truly benefit to the plot?

If they do make Trash the husband, how are they going to deal with the aftermath of the implications of the baseball?

"Well gee, sometimes in life you just lose forever." That would be extremely sloppy writing and it would hurt the narration of the story more than anything else especially considering the fact that it's been emphasized by the writers that Chilbong says "It ain't over til it's over." numerous times. Additionally, the sheer number of voice overs/narrations that Chilbong has had compared to Trash is a telling factor. Don't get me started on all the baseball metaphors as well, why include them if the story is about Trash and Na Jung?

I can definitely see why people are so confused about the husband matter, but I think you really have to analyze the plot closely to see where it's going and to me it's clear as day.

Last but certainly not least, when CB was on TV and said "It ain't over til it's over," Appa also said something very interesting that didn't stand out until this episode. Appa said something along the lines of, "That's right, life starts after two outs in the 9th inning."

Sound familiar? Chilbongie's baseball was given to him after he lost the game that went on in the 9th inning and he had two outs. I understand the writers are huge trolls, but probably not to this extent. And again, Chilbong's "life started" after the loss and he understood that he couldn't do anything about it. However he faced the same opponent the next year and won against him.

Okay, if Trash is indeed the husband why include the baseball? It would only hurt the writing.

Anyways, looking at the 2013 scenes, I'm really glad both of them are close and happy. It's good to know there's no bad blood despite what the outcome was.

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yeah, nice point! but i just hope the 9th end 2 outs won't mean the last episode.... cause then that just kinda sucks ):

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I think that's why there are so many people still held up on the idea of CB being endgame. Because of the writing, because of the baseball analogies that are constantly being brought up. People hold the AM series in a higher standard with the writing. I get what you mean, but i feel like this really is all just trolling at its best.. Which makes me kinda sad. Some of us are wondering what would be the point of all the baseball analogies if CB is not endgame? That would be pointless if T ended up being the endgame. It would negate all time spent explaining how life is like a baseball game.
But if you put aside all the analogies and look at the development of the character's relationships, it's no doubt that the writer has chosen T as endgame.
Which is why im going to have to just be disappointed in the writer this once for fueling the hope of CB shippers. 6 episodes left, and i hope CB gets his happy ending.

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I agree. I don't dislike NJ/Trash together but I prefer CB. I think he's the endgame based on all the clues in the 2013 eps and the baseball analogies/allusions to hard work.

I'm ok if CB is not the husband, but I can't just enjoy NJ/Trash relationship development because I am not sure if they are the endgame. I didn't think I was a CB shipper but I think I have to admit it now lol.

I think the format where you know the OTP from the beginning is much better and they should not play around with it in the future.

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If you saw 9 ends 2 outs drama there is a lot of baseball analogy there as well. The main girl is with a baseball guy at the beginning but she doesn't end up with him.

Anyway there can be purpose, the very oint for CB learning that love doesn't work like winning a match.

In a 2013 scene he said that back then all he knew was baseball, so it makes sense for him that this time he uses the same mentality for love he uses on the playing field. But his quote in 2013 means that baseball is indeed not everything, and he learnt a lot of different things down the road. So him learning that love is different can also compeletly fit into the narrative.

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Oh and in that series the baseball analogous were also there because the main leads learnt a lot from the baseball guy (the second lead)

In here it cans erve a purpouse as well. Just because CB doesn't end up with NJ, doesn't mean that he wasn't a big influence in their life and in a way they are all learning from each other.

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Agree with you on all of the above.

Also Dad says that "Life beings after two outs in the 9th inning.” To me that means all the hard work you put in over the course of a game culminate at the end when you are tired, disappointed, ready to give up. It doesn't mean you will win then, but you will be tested.

And maybe the test is winning, and maybe the test is losing.

You have to keep going no matter what. THAT is what CBie has to learn.

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My point was the opposite. That love is not like baseball.
And in the 2013 scene he admits that he only knew baseball this time.
CB knows about the 9 ends 2 outs rule. He doesn't have to learn anything about that
. What he has to learn about (and according to the 2013 quote by this time he did), life is not just baseball.

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I am not talking about love either, but life.

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You couldn't have said it better!!! I think the baseball analogy should have been explained more clearly--like you did--then I think there wouldn't be all those arguments claiming that CB simply views NJ as an object that he wants to obtain and etc.
The way you describe baseball--and life--would have been a more expressive progression (and life lesson learned) that could have swung the momentum of what was a more interesting series than AM1997.

The writer stumbled a bit by depending too much on G v. CB...and in doing so, further fueled the (vicious) shipping wars.

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lol “Well gee, sometimes in life you just lose forever.” LOL I knew some CB's fans would say something like this...some of you are missing the point of the analogy.....maybe he learns that his baseball analogy can only be applied to sports bc let's face it humans have emotions that can't be explain sometimes. It is not like you can work your way into somebody's heart if you keep trying. You dont think this is about his journey of accepting that you cant go at love with that approach? Yea, makes more sense to give Trash's character 15eps to reveal his feelings & then make CB the husband when he doesn't have that much character development & barely any scenes with the main female lead? This whole missing the chance thing really? this would only be true if the feelings are mutual but he didn't want to date her. Instead, she alwys liked oppa so how could she have said yes to them dating? Some logic wouldn't kill your ship right & it wouldn't piss pl off having to read stuff like "oppa is Nj's sibling so they should stay that way, oppa took soo long, oppa is gay" blah blah blah blah. Dream on guys! give over it.

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A lot of people are saying that CB's character not giving up and it isn't over yet, mean he must be endgame, and it wouldn't make sense if he isn't.

What are the pds message about ''it isn't over yet'' if CB doesn't get NJJ?

Imo, if CB doesn't end being the husband, it would just show that sometimes, no matter how hard you work, some things aren't meant to be. Sometimes you can't win. I do like the idea that, if you work hard and don't give up you will accomplish what you want, but this isn't true in real life. Yup, people should work hard, but sometimes even it isn't enough.

Sometimes life is not fair. I know people that always worked hard and never gave up but still are struggling with life.

I don't like to say the person didn't accomplish something because she didn't work harder enough, but because that is how life is, I know so many people that work hard and still can't accomplish their dreams. I think it is unfair to say they didn't work hard enough, it is all about circumstances and chances life can give or not to a person.

So, it can happen to CB too.

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I like your observation about "life happens after the bottom of the 9th", but I don't necessarily agree that it means he'll be with Na-jung in the end. It could just as easily mean he'll meet the love of his life that will make his first love pale in comparison, much like Dad and his first love!

If that happens, then Chilbongie is actually luckier than both Dad and Oppa, because his first love, is Na-jung, who will be a true and loyal friend for the rest of his life.

The baseball metaphors still work if they are used in reference to Chilbongie's journey to adulthood, and not just in reference to his love life.

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I kinda like the idea that she gets to keep BOTH Oppa and CB in her life, forever. That an only happen if she ends up w CB. Oppa then remains as this life-long friend. If she ends up w Oppa, I doubt that CB would be comfortable enough to remain in her inner circle. Why have one, when you can have both?

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hmm i actually think the opposite would be true...
cuz if oppa doesnt get with NJ, i feel like it would be way more awk for oppa cuz they actually had a pretty deep relationship. whereas if oppa gets with NJ, yea it might be a little awk for CB in the beginning, but quite frankly, CB wouldnt have had any history with NJ. it was simply a one sided crush. and it is way easier to get over a one sided crush than an actual relationship. therefore, NJ getting with oppa would make it less awkward for all three of them imo.

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I'm with KDaddict on this. In the future, it's clear they're all friendly. If the husband is CB, Trash would still be friends with NJ, they're way too close to not be even if they broke up (and it was mutual). In the past, we see how CB avoids NJ when she's dating Trash, so why would he still hang out with them in the future when they're married. I just don't see him being fine and dandy with that unless he found his other half (which, uh writers, if he's not gonna get the girl, throw him a bone).

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I think the fact that they're so very very close means that a break up would be way more likely to ruin their relationship for good than CB/NJ, who have never had anything close to her and Trash. I sort of feel like taking all those complicated and deep feelings they have for each other and running with them (ie, dating) means that Trash and NJ have gone past the point of no return. Either they'll be romantically involved or barely at all, especially considering Trash's personality.

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Also, sorry, but forgot to add--when has NJ ever avoided Chilbong while dating Trash? She drank soju with him and even seemed considerate of his feelings when hanging out with the group. And even before she was dating Trash, it makes sense that she would refuse to eat alone with him after he confessed. That doesn't really qualify as avoidance IMO.

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@Grumpy I think they meant that Chilbong is the one avoiding Najung. And it's true so far, maybe it will change in future episodes. He didn't know they were dating until right before he left, and that was the last time he met with her. Then he's seen avoiding talking to her on the phone.

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Ah yup, my bad. Though if he manages to get over her in like fifteen years' time, they should be good. Which, I know this is dramaland, but come on. An eligible guy like CB will have found someone else by then.

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I'm still hoping that the baseball was a wedding present to Haitai from both Trash and CB, and that's why the shared that sad look.
To me, neither guy has really proven himself to be able to put NJ's feelings first. Trash cares for her, but is still caught up in appearances to the families. I feel like he'd give up on her "for her own good" if he sensed a change in the relationship between father and daughter. CB is focused on her NOT being the one that got away and making sure that his competition knows his intentions. It seems like more of a pissing contest hiding in genuine feelz.
Meanwhile, Haitai has been just a close and caring friend to her. His concern is for her wellbeing, be it running NJ to safety after being gassed or pushing Trash to man up to his feelings.
#teamhaitai because the other two are getting annoying

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Haitai's parents do kind of resemble the ones at the wedding scene! I'm all for it.

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Unfortunately the apartment is too nice and Haitai only makes $1700 a month. Maybe NJ is the main breadwinner, I don't know. But I just don't feel it.

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Sinking my ship, but I'll be optimistic and believe NJ is the main breadwinner b/c it's even better. Though I don't know what he'd be 'famous' for. It'd be awesome if he was though.

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Didn't they say something about him having given up a more highly salaried position while they were talking about Samcheonpo's book? Maybe he took a play from Reply 1997 Oppa's book...

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What irritates me with the writers is that they're stretching this love triangle soo much. Adding Haitai to the mix would have been much more interesting and would have stretched the husband angle to the 20-21 episodes they want. Instead, they flirted with the idea for an ep and then sent him packing to the army? Ugh, it was like the writers planned this show around #TeamChilbongie vs #TeamOppa fanwars.

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I'm with you on Team Haitai!! You couldn't have said it better...Najung and Haitai are a much better fit than Garbage or Chilbongie. When they first started getting close, I was thinking in shades of AM1997's Shiwon and Joonhee (although Binggeure seems to be the Joonhee of 1994)...and it makes a more plausible progression of friend to lover.

For argument's sake, Garbage is similar to Yoonjae in that they grew up together like brother and sister (no shades of incest in either though, in my opinion)...and Chilbongie is the new interest (albeit more one-sided on his part, like Taewoong). Haitai is familiar, more like the best guyfriend that every girl should have...the ear to listen, the shoulder to cry on, the rock of support. Given that there are 6 long episodes left...anything could happen! He could come back from the army and may be desirable due to possible conflicts with her parents and Garbage. Who knows...but having been a fan of Haitai from the beginning, I do hope our best buddy ends up being the endgame. Totally unexpected for all the Garbage and Chilbongie shippers but a much more interesting pairing.

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Oh MY ship has finally has sunk. How my heart aches for CB. I should have known that CB was the 2nd lead, but my heart wouldn't let me. CB is there so that oppa moves his lazy butt. ① when CB kissed NJ for the 1st time, that is when oppa first realized that he had feelings for NJ. that is why oppa sat in her room looking at her for so long. ② when CB confronted Oppa about those feelings, that is when oppa said he was going to confess to NJ that he likes NJ. ③ when Oppa sees CB at the hospital he get so bothered by it and relieved that NJ was waiting for him, he KISSES NJ. Like a Whoa kiss. Make my knees buckle kind of kiss ④ when CB gives oppa the baseball, Oppa gets motvated to tell NJ's parents that they are dating. Thus CB is the second lead. Why did the writer have so many great moment with CB. WHY did they make him so great? WHY!!!
I was always torn between Oppa and CB but slowly CB won me over. At least the writers could stop the torture. I am sure Oppa shippers don't like the doom and gloom they face with each episode, Just rip that bandage off! Please!

Don't get me wrong, I love Oppa's character and I love that NJ is so happy. They got me with the montage as them as kids. I could feel the love they have for each other and could see how it could translate to something more.  He may be "trash" on the outside but on the inside he is introspective, cautious, and thoughtful. He moves slowly but when he does it is in a meaningful way. We appreciate it more because he does each act with heart. On the other hand, CB wears his heart on his sleeves, there are no doubts in how he feels.  For every action that CB took to win NJ's heart, there was only inaction on Oppa's part.  It also helps that they disconnected Oppa from the rest by having him move out and he hasn't had a voiceover in a long time. I am sure they did that on purpose so we don't know what he is thinking.  Plus it gives us CB shippers some hope. They love to toy with our emotions and I am letting them. CB shippers are so defensive because CB had to win us over slowly. Oppa was so great from the beginning we all liked him and when NJ said she liked him we all rooted for them to work out. Then CB just creaped up and stole our hearts. I don't how I am going to manage the eventual heartache. I just have to prepare myself.

On a good note, how awesome is SCP! He stole the toilet and bought it back for his girlfriend. That is some bat s*** crazy stuff. Think about it, he went into someone else house and stole a toilet and then dragged that thing back!! If that isn't love than I don't know what is. No wonder they get married. How awesome is Dad to carry YJ downstairs! Go Dad, we need more scenes with the Parents. Where is Haitai ? Missing him and his crazy hair.

I will stick to this drama to the very end knowing that everyone will get a happy ending. It might not be the ending I want but that is okay. I am enjoying this show so much, I will be sad when it over. Not as much as the Master's Sun, but not everyone is So Ji Sub. That is One oppa I can ship for,

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I don't want to take away from Javabean's synopsis. So insightful and greatly appreciated. I correct in saying that the war of words need to stop. There is shipping and there is going overboard. Everyone needs to take a chill pill. I come to this site to inform and be informed. I would have never known to look at the stuffed animals if no one put up that comment about how each stuff animal reps NJ oppa and CB. I just hope this fighting can stop and get more great insights.

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Me, too (about the stuffed animals). There are a lot of great insights and observations from all the beaners that made me appreciate this show more. I don't think I've read as much vitriol here (were there any?) as much as over at soompi's regarding the ships people prefer.

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I completely agree with pretty much everything you wrote. I know we all have our own opinions but lately i've felt like a war's been waging here on the comment section. Come on everybody! We're all here for the same reason: to enjoy Javabeans and Girlfriday's amazingly awesome recaps. :)

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Shipping is part of the fun. It is when Comments use insulting words like "that shit", "those who think this are children", "are you blind", etc. that shipping descends to an unwelcome level.

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Oh and don't forget... Someone said "Are you f***ing kidding me!"
Ok seriously? Opinions are opinions, weren't we taught to respect that?

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i agree with the first time that CBs actions did motivate oppa, but with the kiss in this episode i feel like it was clearly because he was so taken aback with NJs cuteness in the moment. and i think the reason why he finally decided to tell her parents is cuz he realized that his emotions cannot be contained any longer and that this whole hiding game is ridiculous to their relationship. also, he def prob wanted a preliminary period in their dating to make sure this is FOR real so that they dont unnecessarily cause family commotion over nothing.

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Agreed. They've been dating for 6(?) months and as they hadn't split up and their feeling hadn't changed he knew it was time her parents knew. He was moving in that direction anyway CB's "NJ's the baseball I'm going to win" speech had nothing to do with his decision.

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Really? Has it been 6 months since they started dating prior to him telling her parents? Wow! That must have been difficult to do. I'm sure Trash's feeling was that there's always a sword of Damocles hanging over his head whenever they're out on a date.

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I disagree. I think the fact that Oppa had been so touchy about hiding their relationship from the parents and only made the decision to tell after the talk with Chilbong points directly to the talk effecting his decision.

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YAY MASTERS SUN SO JISUB ROCKS MY SOCKS TOOOOOO hehe
i still go on the threads now and then... GHJ SJS chemistry is unbeatable!! haha ok ill stop with my tangent i hope this was ok to post...

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AGREE with all you said...you couldn't have said it better! Now if only more people commented like you...without all the snide comments and outright bashing that's making the comments on here a bit unbearable to read, from either standpoint (BTW, I don't ship either, I like 'em both).

You definitely hit the nail on the head about SCP...he is definitely a great boyfriend! I thought it was hilarious and touching that he went to great lengths to drag ST's toilet home...the things he does for his fangirl girlfriend!

I, too, miss H...the episodes seem empty without him!

And YES, SJS (as JJW) was definitelyyy one oppa I could ship for as well :) I don't think you'd get any arguments on that...now if only more main characters were written so well that you have no qualms but to ship them! :P

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Oppa and na jungs relationship is honestly the cutest thing ever. I'm getting kinda tired of the guessing.game but whatever only 3 more weeks I'll try to endure to the best of my ability

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Dad stole the show for me. He was the star. I lmao at all his scenes.

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I also love how this episode showed more scenes with CB and the others instead of just NJ.

I also think that oppa is the husband and kept the ball because CB didn't get back his ball back and he didn't win.

I didn't really like oppa as much compared to previous episodes. I feel like NJ still loves oppa more than he does. I'm not saying he doesn't love her because I know he loves her. I'm really sorry that I still can't feel the romantic chemistry from them even after so many kisses.

I really want to be team NJ but I still can't deny my love for CB. I know some of you are annoyed with him, but I love him no matter what.

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The more scenes are the parents in is the better.
His quote about Second Leads from before is forever my favourite.

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He was the best!

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Omigosh, javabeans, you totally read my mind about the fanwars-- SO tired of it. I stopped reading the the soompi forum and the comments here because of that. Thank you!

Now I'm getting out before it starts again...
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I pretty much gave up on Soompi a long time ago. A combination of the endless vicious fan wars coupled with the endless reposting of the same images over and over by those fans just drove me up the wall. They are especially bad for 1994 and Heirs.

I would hate for the inmates to take over the asylum here also, so I really hope that JB and crew can keep it under control. This is my last refuge for real discussions of dramas.

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The thing is that, even if fanwars are out of hand, that's exactly what the show is looking for. The pointless trolling with the husband mystery is what the show is about nowadays, they purposely destroyed CB and NJ's character development (as individuals - strangely Oppa is cool in that area) just so they could keep both "factions" alive and the interest in the show strong. I find the whole "let's blame the fangirl" thing quite basic; it's TPTB who should be blamed for this, they use and manipulate the fandom to garner higher ratings, buzz or money in a way that's frankly annoying.

I feel so manipulated and jerked around that starting today I'm dropping the drama. No matter the outcome, I know I'll be disappointed. If it's Trash, the whole CB effort theory will end up with a "Just kidding, it's over now"; if it's CB, all the 15 episodes build up goes to waste. I won't be satisfied either way, and this is a writing flaw - they killed the possibility of a really great story for a gimmick. Trashbin.

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One of the scary things to me is just how easily the fans were manipulated :(

I probably should not even be posting here, I dropped the show after ep2, simply could not connect with that whole nostalgia thing.

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Well, I don't think it's so surprising. Most of us get emotionally involved in the stories we watch, and feel like certain characters are "real", thus making it really painful when other people diss them. The passion they inspire in us lead to violent differences in opinion.

At the end of the day, though, we should know that this is just the internet, and if something really hurts, we should just avoid it.

In this case, the writers dangled the carrot for so long, both factions are extremists in their views, and what can I say - I think both of them are right.

I must be the only person who defends this show's fandom lol

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i know, i hate it. joon was always my favorite character, and thus, i think i'm going to be always generous in understanding him as a character but i don't think the normal/neutral viewer would do the same.

it hurts when i see comments that speak negatively about him really, because i feel really protective of him.

i never really comment on forums and blogs posts before, i just watch dramas, but then i started commenting about how i see him in the hopes of making other people try to look at him differently, maybe with an open-mind, but it's hard.

we're always going to interpret things differently, which is great because having all these different perspectives is enlightening. but i wish people are less harsh. or maybe more thoughtful when expressing their thoughts and opinions...

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We're of the same mind. I, too, feel protective of CB and I try my darndest best to be diplomatic in the rare instance that I argue on his behalf (which I consider nutty because he's a drama character, for cryin' out loud!). But, as you say, it's hard.

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Dude CB makes me feel like a mom! Which is just SO strange... am sure this feeling that I am experiencing is what my parents felt when they bid me adieu for college. geeshhhh, CB (& YYS)! *side eyes* ;P

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We all have differences of opinion towards certain characters and actors in dramas. If we all liked the same thing, then every plot and character would be the same.

But trying to convince people of a different take on a character is not the same as many of the personal attacks that I see on other sites.

Every time I see that word "haters" in a post, my mind just automatically shuts down to any possibility of listening to what the person has to say. In the Heirs thread on Soompi I see posts like "why don't all you PSH haters just go back to Drama Beans" (actual quote). While posts like that might make the person feel good, it does nothing to convince them to change their point of view.

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I think the writers are doing this deliberately. I mean in 97 there was no battle as such for the leading lady, so everyone got to enjoy the heart-wrenching, human moments that made the show such a cult classic!

I wish they'd introduced Kim Jae Joon to us from the 1st episode and then showed us the journey like they're doing with Yoon Jin and Sung Kyun (adorbs I wuw them!)

But I'm guessing they're going to wait until Ep 21 to finally confirm it and until then, I'm going to have to jump up and defend Joon from angry unnies :P

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Agreed - I feel like the writer's compromised on too much (or we just gave her too much credit in the first place) to 1) extend the life of the love triangle conflict, 2) artificially draw out the length of the episodes and 3) fuel their own self-love for Trash's character.

On your point about Trash not having char development issues. I remember reading somewhere that the the writer and/or the PD's were set on having Jung Woo act as Trash when they first watched Wish, which was back in 2010. This is a character that was casted years ago, way before Na Jung even was.

And it shows, how much love they have for Trash the character. I'm even convinced that Na Jung was penned just to be Trash's woman and not her own person, because there's so little to her for someone who's supposed to be a female lead in a character-driven story. People wonder why Jung Woo's the one gaining the most popularity in Korea - it's because the writers have given people reasons to love Trash (and even SCP, YJ or Binggrae with their back stories), but not the other two main leads, and it's just such a wasted opportunity. Time spent drawing the love conflict out with filler scenes could've been spent adding more depth to Na Jung and CB's characters, but no.

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I'm just really really glad I don't take my ship seriously enough to fight against the other for it. I won't even bother mentioning who I prefer, but I think the fun of it all is in swaying with the show rather than being stuck in one and hating everything related to the other. It's like having chocolate cake and refusing everything thats not it, when vanilla can taste good too. Okay that was bad... LOL

I think the best deal here is that in 2013 - *everyone* is happy. More importantly, both the guys can sit down with Na-jung and be comfortable about what they'd gone through in the past. What matters is today, really. Not what happened decades ago. Because if it were switched and they were happy then, but not now - that would definitely have been a tragedy.

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Question... I watched this with english subs but during the scene after the phone call, Chilbongie is called Mr. Kim ( in Japanese, I believe), which would make his name something Joon Kim. Since the husband's name is Kim Jae Joon, I interpreted that as a major hint from the writers pointing to Chilbongie as the husband? Did anyone else notice this?

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Um, everyone noticed that episodes ago...

Insofar,

SamCheonPo = Kim Sung Kyun
BingGeurae = Kim __ __
Garbage Oppa = Kim Jae __ (Guessed from his brother's names)
ChilBong = Kim __ Joon
HaeTae = ???????????????? mysterious homeless alien?

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Haitai is a Kim too.

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Oh yeah, they reveal that when the kids were in SamCheonPo (the city, not the person).

So,

HaiTai = Kim mysterious homeless alien

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HaeTae = ???????????????? mysterious homeless alien?

Burst out laughing... Made my day thank you..

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"Dad says he’d be happy with even a homeless alien"

I see what you did there! Thumbs up!

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I'm totally okay with him being her homeless alien, as per Dad. #teamhaitai

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Thanks Javabeans!
Can we all take a moment away from Oppa-Na Jung-Chillbongie and appreciate the ridiculously awesome and imperfectly perfect relationship of Samcheonpo and Yoon Jin?

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I LOVE Samchenpo and Yoo Jin together. They're adorable. And Samcheopo is the best boyfriend ever <3

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These fanwars are really getting out of hand. I think we are also all being too critical of the characters especially Najung, Oppa and Chilbong. They all are so young. Barely even adults. They have so much yet to learn and experience. No one is perfect. It's easier for us to make judgement on them since we are a third party who is observing them. Unfortunately people will get hurt that is life but we know that the 2013 versions of each of the characters are more mature than their counterparts.

I am just going to step back and let the story finish. That being said I hope we get more backstories and development of all characters. Especially Najung who we still don't really know. Also shout out to Lee Sang Min this week. Nice to know he is still around.

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you know you have an awesome boyfriend when he's willing to steal your idol's toilet and carry it up the flight of stairs for you.

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More awesome than one can ever know. Most romantic gesture ever by a cool, quiet Oppa.

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But SungKyun's not oppa. He's a dongsaeng.

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A dongsaeng who looks like an oppa. Best of both world, if you ask me.

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*worlds

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More like an ajusshi haha. But yes he is totally made of awesome sauce.

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Right? I really enjoyed that scene when he was carrying bacl the toilet bowl. That is LOVE.

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CHILBONGI FOREVER

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lol, insightful comment :D

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Pls let CB meet a nice pretty girl next ep and make them fall in love with CB channeling is sweetness to the lucky girl and let him live happily ever after cos am going to regret ever getting invested in this drama if CB is not blissfully happy cos to. Me CB=AM 1994

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But he is happy in 2013! He's hanging out with the gang and I'm sure I saw a huge smile on his face everytime the show goes back to today's time. So if all you want is CB happy, then you already had that the first episode in!

Also... I love CB and am actually in that ship (although I said I wouldn't bother mentioning who I prefer lol). I'm hoping he gets the ending Yoon-jae's hyung got (his name totally escaped me atm). As long as he has an awesome wife then it's all good to me - that obviously considering he isn't the husband lol.

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Yeah I agree, I can't even enjoy Trash's romance without this threat hanging over my head. Is there going to be a reversal? At least when you have a confirmed OTP you know they'll break up for a few episodes. But will get back together.

Here, is distracting as all heck and I can't even squeal at those 2. Without thinking of how hurt I'll be if something something happens. The writer should just stop being a pain. The drama is great, just chuck the mystery and let us enjoy the characters. Because I pretty much love everyone here.

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I'm so with you. I can't even squee properly for my ship. I wish the writer will stop trolling us and obscuring the clues. Letting me know now who's the husband would be much better. I'll at least have some peace, even if CB is the end game. I like CB too, but the mystery is hurting the drama now...

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oh why dad looked upset when oppa told them his feelings for najung? i was a little surprised, maybe this is why garbage was afraid all along(in confessing his feelings to najong) because he knew dad would be like this?

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Yeah, I was wondering why Dad reacted like he was really unhappy with the idea of Oppa dating NJ. Does he not like Oppa???

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Maybe he is afraid that if the relationship doesn't work out he will lose a son.
T is kinda the substitute son for the parents as well after his friend, their son died.

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I think it's because the father is feeling like he is losing his daughter and son at the same time. Up to this point he thought of Garbage as a son and brother to Najung, by Trash confessing his feelings it feels like he is losing his son because now trash is the boyfriend of his daughter and potential son in law. At the same time he feels like he is losing his daughter to another man, so its sad all around. I think it doesn't have to do with disapproving Trash but rather sad at the change in dynamic.

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Since probably episode 3, I have known that Trash just has to be the husband if the writing wants to resemble any faction of truth in life. I mean, it's so plain and simple. There's never going to be two people who's gonna love each other as much as Trash and Jeong. As for Chilbong's crush, not that his feelings are any less valid, but that kind of love, he will get over it. He will be hurt, but he'll get over it as time passes. But Trash and Jeong will never get over each other. Trash will never stop loving NJ, and the same goes for her. So it's only natural that these two end up together because if they don't, I feel pity for who ever has to come between such love. To have your wife harboring deep love and affection for another man is not an uncommon thing, but a sad one nonetheless.

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you said you knew it in ep 3, but then obviously they had a close relationship as siblings and we only knew NJ's feelings. and let me tell you why that bothers me so much: squeezing her cheeks and hitting her head is the most annoying thing. who wants that from your'e boyfriend?? and i think they were the same in 2013, 40 year old married couple behaving like that? to me them as a couple could very much be end game, and probably is but its offputting and i am surprised no one feels that way. do you remember the first ep, when she was pulling his pants and underpants through the sheets? that disturbbed me when i realized they weren't really related.

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Oh God this show is starting to annoy me and as a CB fan I would find it annoying if NJ chose him @last cos we might not have time for the cute stuff in their relationship. I seriously want CB to move on now, I just want him to be happy and I don't see that happening with NJ so in love with oppa. So I want show to introduce his new love interest soon and not just dump any girl on him cos I really want to see him directing all that cuteness and sweetness to someone who appreciates it. I will keep saying it CB MUST BE HAPPY cos my love for this show rides on his happiness.

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"So I want show to introduce his new love interest soon and not just dump any girl on him"

That's a good point about ending the "who's the husband" mystery now. It gives us six episodes for Chilbongie to meet someone new and fall for her in a way that feels natural, rather than a last minute consolation prize. (And Na-jung/Oppa shipper can just enjoy their cuteness without worrying about possible incoming storms.)

I always figured that the other half of the love triangle would get a happy ending with someone else. I have no doubt that Chilbongie will be happy in the end. I'm actually the most concerned about poor Haitai! He better get HIS happy ending too!

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This trash's Apartment Look like Apartment Nj live in 2013

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That's what I was thinking. But it couldn't be right, because they just moved in.

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people were saying that in the viki comments, as well, but aren't they having a housewarming party in th 2013 scenes? so shouldn't it be a new apartment?

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