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Odds and Ends: Awards are great/terrible, we love/hate them

javabeans: Omg why did all the red carpet events come at once? You have a whole, quiet spring and summer and then BAM! Fall happens and suddenly everybody wants prizes.

girlfriday: I know, it’s like a fire sale for golden statues or something. I’m convinced we must’ve done something to anger the heavens this week, because that was a lot of red carpet, even for red carpet season.

javabeans: I’m always really excited to see who won stuff… until I see who won stuff. And then it’s all, “Awards are such bullshit!”

girlfriday: Because they are. Don’t you always go through the mental hoops EVERY. SINGLE. TIME… What could they possibly have been thinking to give him/her/that the award?! Because you think there has to be a reason.

javabeans: The thing is, we all say that we don’t care about awards (What matters is quality! What matters is how much we like the film/drama/actor!) but we still want our favorite things to win awards and get upset when they don’t. Because even if you don’t need validation… you still want the validation.

girlfriday: Yes, and even though we all know that the station awards (the separate KBS/MBC/SBS ones) are bullshit, STILL, you expect there to be some sort of internal logic there.

javabeans: Right. I think we’re all savvy enough to understand that station awards have multiple functions, and one of them is to reward high-quality projects, and another is to thank its stars and keep its talent happy (rather than jumping to, say, rival cable stations). So we don’t demand that the stations ignore the politics entirely, because that’s naive. But…

girlfriday: It’s just… you don’t want those two functions to cancel each other out.

javabeans: Yes. Can’t we thank the stars and producers, while also giving the really deserving winners extra recognition?

girlfriday: The way I honestly feel about the awards is, if everybody gets one, then they all lose meaning.

javabeans: KBS is so terrible about creating extra categories to squeeze in all their dramas. They can’t have their 16-episode dramas competing with their 30-episode dramas or their 50-episode dramas! So to ensure that everyone gets a prize, they have categories that are literally for “long series” and “middle-length series” and “miniseries.”

girlfriday: KBS’s statue is akin to the Good Attendance Award at school.

javabeans: And yet, it’s still not worse than MBC splitting the winners, right? KBS creates extra categories, but MBC has had a history of just naming multiple winners per category.

girlfriday: Yes, splitting daesangs is worse. The whole point of getting the daesang is to be the best!

javabeans: Come on! “Daesang” literally means BIG PRIZE. If everyone is a special snowflake, NOBODY is a special snowflake!

girlfriday: And I know there’s no fixing this, but I dislike that only the stars who win stuff show up.

javabeans: For one, I hate spoilers. When I see that the front row has seated Kim Soo-hyun next to Oh Yeon-seo and Jaejoong and Kang So-ra, gee, I wonder who’s winning.

girlfriday: Would it kill the actors to just dress up and go to the drama awards with their costars, like everybody wants? It’s strange to me that the red carpet isn’t flooded with actors who want future awards — instead it’s like you have to be bribed with a trophy to show.

javabeans: I understand that a television network is a business, so I can accept that dramas with high ratings will get more awards than dramas with lower ratings. It still hurts a little, especially when the low-rated gem goes ignored, but I will concede that people who help your business succeed have earned their keep. But! Like we were just saying, I’d just like the awards to still operate on some logic — so fine, award that crazy makjang ratings hit something, but maybe not Best Drama.

girlfriday: It’s part of the problem with splitting the awards and not having a centralized system, though truthfully, it’s not like the Baeksangs do much better.

javabeans: Oh, the Baeksangs make me sad! It’s because they have the potential to be the award show I want them to be — especially since they’re one of the only awards ceremonies that considers shows from multiple networks — but they’re getting to be just as bad as the station awards.

girlfriday: Right, because in theory, they could fix all of the things we see wrong with the other separate awards. But… they just create their own set of problems instead.

javabeans: They’re just as political and incomprehensible, honestly. I want them to be the Golden Globes, but they really aren’t. Sigh.

girlfriday: We feel this pain acutely every year, which is why we try to do things differently with the Beanie Awards.

javabeans: I know our awards aren’t perfect either, but we try really hard to give everything consideration. It’s a struggle because the best way to be as fair as possible is to watch absolutely everything. But… well, that’s its own problem.

girlfriday: The fourth dimension is really not complying this year. There are only so many dramas to fit into a week.

javabeans: But we have a problem with saying, “Actor A wins Best Actor… but we didn’t see Actor B or C’s dramas. Still, Actor A was just so good that he was probably the best of the year.” We don’t want that, so we try to watch everything, even if we didn’t review it on the site.

girlfriday: And sometimes we have really really really long debates about this, because we each have strong preferences and well, when we feel strongly about dramas, we all know how that can go.

javabeans: There might be some crying involved. And blubbering over drinks.

girlfriday: Mostly blubbering. But Oppa was transcendent!

javabeans: But Other, Better Oppa was so blindingly incandescent that he made unicorns cry!

girlfriday: If you can’t see Oppa’s effulgence, then I can’t be friends with you!

javabeans: And then we sober up and agree on a damn winner. We’ve done the voting a few different ways in the past, trying to hit upon the best process. I think we’re heading in the right direction, but there have been years where even I, as the person running the thing, was unhappy with the selection that we named Best Whatever. In early years we did it democratically, figuring that was fairest with straight math. But you know I feel about math.

girlfriday: Now instead of math, which we all hate, we just use words — lots and lots of words — to talk it out until we agree on things. It’s much more painstaking, but ultimately it’s a better system.

javabeans: It does take forever. I’d venture a guess that even doing things this way, nobody is 100% satisfied with the results. But maybe we’re all less dissatisfied?

girlfriday: I guess the answer is that no awards will ever be completely satisfying, ever.

javabeans: The other problem we might run into is when dramas sweep multiple categories, which I know makes things less fun. We have this discussion internally almost every year — say we genuinely believe that Drama #1 had the best directing of the year. But since #1 won in the writing and acting categories, is it better to give Drama #2 the best directing nod, when we really think #1 was a touch better? Or do we have a boring winners list where Drama #1 cleaned up?

girlfriday: Yeah sometimes I want to spread the love around, but then I’m like, am I just being KBS then? I DON’T WANT TO BE KBS!

javabeans: And we can’t be MBC and just give split every category! (Furthermore, this dilemma is ignoring the whole other can of worms where judgment of “best” is completely subjective anyway.)

girlfriday: Maybe this year I’ll just give everyone a Good Attendance Award and crawl into a hole.

javabeans: I’ll join you with my fifty Special Snowflake trophies.

 
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You guys are hilarious! I must say that I really enjoy the Beanie's Awards every year, even if I don't always agree with all the winners (because, of course, why wouldn't all my favourite dramas sweep awards, why? ;)) I enjoy reading everyone's takes on the winning dramas. Especially if they are dramas I don't have time to watch (damn that fourth dimension that takes a wormhole to find). Totally appreciate the effort you guys put into making the awards a great one! Go team Drama beans!!

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Agreed. Here! Here!

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yeah the comments that JB and GF put on the polls are the most hilarious.

(but I want to ask, can we get some women as options in the Favourite Character category for DB 2014 awards? And maybe make it multiple choice up to 2 or 3? It would suck if we couldn't vote for, say, Jang Nara as best of the year. Or if I had to choose between her and the pervy mermaid in Surplus Princess)

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girlfriday: Mostly blubbering. But Oppa was transcendent!

javabeans: But Other, Better Oppa was so blindingly incandescent that he made unicorns cry!

girlfriday: If you can’t see Oppa’s effulgence, then I can’t be friends with you!

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Yes please, more women categories.
And yes, the mobile site is fixed!!! Yay

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Agreed !! :)

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i think beanie award is better than the whole drama award in korea

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Hear hear! Can't wait for this year's!

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If I had to watch every single drama Korea puts out I'd be cross-eyed and my brain would be fried.
So maybe it's a good idea to split categories for mini-series, 50 eps dramas, etc. That way the judges don't have to watch EVERYTHING.

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this is precisely why i can't watch award show, i get too riled up. Not the oscars, not the golden globes, nothing basically.
we should just love the dramas and actors we love and send them fan trophies or something

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I wish there was a way where the Beanie Awards become a legit thing where actors would want to be recognized by Dramabeans. You know, a validation of some sort that the winners can be proud of and would actually add weight to their resumes? I might be dreaming but I'd like this dream to come true.

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I agree!!!! It's so hard because while I want my drama to win, sometimes I know they won't because they had bad ratings. Because honestly sometimes while the drama isn't good it has high ratings so they sweep everything. It's unfair.

So I kinda like that KBS gives awards to multiple winners. Even though that loses the whole point of the whole thing, but at least everyone gets something.

I was really annoyed last year when PSH and LMH won best couple over GHJ and SJS along with LJS and PBY.

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Yeah, couples with zero romantic chemistry being awarded Best Couple seemed to be a trend last year (Lee Seung Gi/Suzy at MBC to add to Suzy's joke of a Top Excellence award, and LMH/PSH at SBS).

So Ji-sub and Gong Hyo-jin missing that Best Couple award for SBS last year was unfair, I hope she and Jo In-sung take it this year for It's Ok, It's Love)

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See I think when it comes to couples, it's extemely subjective much more so than acting. That's completely opinion based because some may find chemistry between a couple while others won't. I mean AM94 is a great case study of differing opinions not just because of the type of character both male leads played but also their personal chemistry with Go Ara.

LMH and PSH may have a lot of people against them, but I have to say there are way more into them. The exact same is the case with Suzy and Seung-gi who had quite a fan following. I still remember the berserk breakout and irrationality when the latter was confirmed dating someone else. I personally liked both couples but thought LJS and LBY were awkward as heck in IHYV, so clearly, chemistry is very debatable.

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That's the other thing - the people in both couples in GFB/Heirs had large individual fanbases who would support pretty much anything they do regardless of whether they actually had chemistry with the other or not.

I tend to respect people's individual opinions on Answer Me a bit more because the lack of large pre-existing idol/"trend actor" fanbases in the case of Yoo Yeon-seok, Jung Woo and Go Ara means that people actually did form their differing opinions based on what was on the screen, instead of blindly supporting their bias based on pre-formed opinions.

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While I agree that both GFB and Heirs employed actors with legions of fans, I don't think those shippers are all biased. PSH and LSG - for example - could've easily been shipped with KWB and Lee Yubi, but weren't because some folks actually just preferred them with their respective OTPs.

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Whoops, cut myself off too early.

Anyway, chemistry is mostly opinion based in every scenario ever. I don't think SJS-GHJ were as amazing as they're made to be but I see their chemistry vs. I see zilch with LJS-LBY but that's a personal opinion. On the other hand, I love GHJ and LBY in everything ever, so I don't quite buy the consensus that fans just support whoever their fav is paired with irrelevant of chemistry. But I can see what u mean.

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Joo Won should have won Top Excellence Actor in Bridal Mask instead of Song Joong Ki (Why he even in the same award with Suzy???).

And he deserved to get Daesang in Good Doctor.

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ohh NO!!! Song Joong Ki in Nice Guy all the way!!! He was way more awsome in NICE GUY and deserved that award... compare to Jo Won.. I have some strong disagreement about Beanie's opinion regarding acting..
Jo WOon is all technical with little sincerity.. most of the time OTT... Jin Se Yeon was acted better in that drama compare to him... dare I say?

SOmetimes my opinion is just very different regarding acting. I wonder if we watching the same actor? Or maybe we just have different criteria in terms of acting.. ?

Most of the time I prefer Female actress who acted opposite our fav. male lead or 2nd male lead... Like Wang Ji WOn in FTLY, Park Ha Sun in two weeks.. Jung Yu Mi in discovery of romance but rarely gets credit..

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I won't want to say Song Joong Ki deserved it less than Joo Won although my bias is clear.

But you have always been against Joo Won since Gaksital. I thought it was because you felt he took away the limelight from Park Ki Woong? The latter was fantastic in Gaksital, they both were. To say Jin Se Yeon was better than Joo Won in Gaksital is what makes you completely prejudiced without reason against Joo Won. I dare say even JSY fans will not say she was better than Joo Won in Gaksital.

There is always differences in opinion or criteria as you put it but your statement just made it incredible.

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Yes, I agreed with you that Park Ki woong was awesome in Bridal Mask...........truly one of his best performance yet.

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...but Joo-won and Park Ki-woong together were the best part of Gaksital! Along with Han Chae-ah, of course.

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Han Cae AH, was decent... I enjoy her performances... I love her because her character are insteresting ... but she is still abit limit.. Park Ki WOng is good... I love him.. but, How I wish he turn down his over acting tough.. If only he knows that, because he was great when he is not overact..

ABout Jo WOon, It's not about OTT alone, though.. I really bother with his line delivery . It seems he didn't know how to act with alot of sincerity and understand the character rather than about all about technique.. it's shown from his line delivery..

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Han Chae-ah has shown enough of her skills over several dramas (most recently Mirae's Choice) for me to be able to say with some confidence far from being limited, she's actually quite a versatile actress.

Joo-won overacted a bit but I really wouldn't say lack of sincerity was the problem there. As for Jin Se-yeon, I don't buy the 'rookie actress' excuse - she's been acting for several years now and is still far below the level of most actresses in her age group and ones who debuted after her. She'd be absolutely no loss to kdrama/film if she stopped acting tbqh.

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And just to chime in on the subjectivity of opinions -- in Gaksital I found both performances, and the script, so over the top that I quit mid-way through and never looked back.

Hilarious post on the awards though. I don't get too bent out of shape about the acting awards for some reason, but some of the choices for writing/directing can put me into a snit for days, walking around muttering "Really?"

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Joo Won vs Jin Se Yeon?????

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

I once left a room for doubt justfor Jin Se yeon, y'now, what with Joo Won and Park Ki Woong outshining her in Gaksital but after Age of Feeling and Doctor Stranger, the room is already non-existent.

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You know what, I actually rate Song Joong-ki as an actor over Joo-won so our opinions on their performances in Nice Guy vs Gaksital are the same..

But you totally lost me at the claim that Jin Se-yeon, of all people in the cast, had a better performance than Joo-won in Gaksital. There's biased, and then there's absurd.

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MAybe.. we just have different opinion regarding acting.... I'm one of the few people that appreciate Jin Se Yeon in Bridal MAsk.. I'm not saying she was worthy daesang award... But for me she has range, and I hope she can explore her range, acting with a better character..

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Jin Se-yeon's "range"? You mean, her grand total of two expressions - simpering smile and pouty mouth with furrowed brow?

I really don't get how you can criticise Joo-won for line delivery and lack of sincerity (I find him a little overly laboured, myself), claim that Han Chae-ah is "limited", but then turn around and claim in the same breath that Jin Se-yeon's sloppy diction and painfully wooden expressions are evidence of 'range'.

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@pogo, missjb's original statement simply demonstrates what javabeans and girlfriday mentioned in this article - that everyone has different preferences and opinions on dramas and actors they have watched.

So missjb is still entitled to her (whom I assume a female by the nickname) opinion that Jin Se Yeon's acting is good, even though majority of Dramabeans users do not agree.

She has even conceded that this is due to her individual tastes, so she definitely does not have to be questioned on how she could have considered JSY's acting good, much less subscribe to someone else's list of "good" actresses to praise.

After all, you are still entitled to your opinion that JSY is lousy.

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Seriously.. Joo Won vs Jin Se Yeon????

You can't even compare them,,

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Oh dear. I was totally agreeing with you about having different criteria in terms of acting; that we all have our biases and maybe perhaps prejudice to certain actors and acrtresses. But you lost me when you campared Jo Woon and Jin Se Yeon.

I have to ask. Why Jo Woon vs. Jin Se Yeon? Why even go there? You could have compared other people to Jo Woon. I don't know. It's just that the idea of Jo Woon vs Jin Se Yeon is far fetched to me, I cannot begin to even understand it.

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Jin Se Yeon's acting in that drama was good... really for a new comer... she was brilliant. especially earlier episode in a scene when she got torture... That eyes full of pain but still enable to convey a strong girl... in earlier episode, She was showing alot of range.. I'm not impressed with her in dr strange and . well there is nothing to explore with that kind of character.. In inspiring generation, she is kind cute.. but still the writers seems don't trust her range.. But really.. what impressed me is her performances in bridal mask.. is really really good.. one of several actor in bridal who are not overact but can convey the right emotion. It's pain me her character is one dimensional and not get explore much as the time progress..

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I really wonder what kind of rookie actresses you are seeing, if you can claim she was good for a newcomer.

I'd consider people like Jung So-min, Han Groo, Yoon Jin-yi, Kim Ji-won, Baek Jin-hee, Lee Yubi, Jo Bo-a, Jung Eun-ji, Kim So-eun, Nam Ji-hyun, Yoon So-hee, Park Eun-bin, Ha Yeon-soo etc. to talented newcomer actresses who are good by rookie standards - they are girls who have demonstrated acting skill and a good range even in their debut projects. Jin Se-yeon really doesn't have range or talent to speak of in comparison to them.

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Lee Jun Ki vs. Park Ha Sun in Two Weeks, and you preferred PHS? Lol.
I like PHS, she is so good and likeable in acting as a strong energetic girl in her dramas. The chemistry of her and LJK is perfect. The weakness I found of her is she can't emote well in crying of her emotional scenes in Two Weeks. Heh, she's still not in the level to compare to LJK's versatile acting.
LJK! His character and the drama itself are great but he made them greater with his acting. The whole team was awesome though my major thanks go to LJK's main character portrayal. His sincere acting for the never-experienced paternal love, amazing!

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So you guys are arguing over who should have won which award.

Here's one mini test. Judging from the three photos of tearful male actors at an award ceremony (I don't know who they are without their names listed), and considering the fact that an actor's appearance in ceremonies is an extension of his vocation, I vote for the actor in the last pic. He has it all: movie-star look, poise, magnetism, character, etc. The first one is the worst of the bunch - let's hope for his sake that the military duty will make a man out of him.

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Erm, are you giving out who-got-the-most-handsome-crying-face award? Lol. What does crying here got to do with receiving an award? Can someone explain? i kinda got offended bcoz my crying face is ugly, lol. But seriously dr. Hwata, some enlightment to your comment please?

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A beanie snowflake award for the funniest or weirdest acting would be cute.

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Ha, this post is hilarious. You guys posted pictures of all the actors crying over awards that you just shredded to meaningless pieces.

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Awww.....what's with all these crying from? any links

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I don't know Joo Won's pic comes from. But Jung Woo is from KBS DA 2013 and Kim Soo Hyun is from Korea Drama Awards 2014 this week.

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Joo Won's crying pic was from KBS DA 2010. He starred in Baker King back then.

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Jung Woo's pic is from this year's Baeksang Arts Awards .

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I never get any awards even if I do win something. At school it was "You are so talented and generous, but he got nothing, lets at least give this book and the flowers to him!"
at least Kdrama awards aren´t doing that. "Oh we gave it to you, but do you really need to keep it? see, she is holding nothing. lets give her your statue!"

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I'm always one to get angry at the unfairness of some actors winning awards over the other when I know it's because their drama had better numbers. But I also get over it soon because I understand the nature of this business. You gotta make your hit makers happy.

There are so many actors who should've been recognized but wasn't even nominated. And there are so many awful decisions that just snub other nominees. But it gets better every year admittedly. As in I get less affected. This year, I really don't feel strongly for any actor to win anything since no one blew my mind - except maybe Han Groo and Jin Yi-han (Empress Ki).

But I personally like the way SBS does their awards. They give out Christmas toys to all the good kids for the year - they base it on numbers of course. And they always have more hits anyway, so they just have to spend a little more in the toy factory to satisfy everyone. It's preferable than ignoring a really angelic kid.

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I really, really want Han Groo to get some recognition, she's such a promising young actress.

I'm glad she got MND but so many absolutely fantastic actresses in their early twenties not getting chances at public broadcast lead after turning in powerful performances, it's unfair (I want justice for Lee Yubi, Yoon So-hee, Kim Ji-won, Jung So-min and Im Joo-eun, to name just a few).

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I wasn't impressed by Han Groo at all in 'Marriage not Dating' as a korean speaker, but I agree with justice for Lee Yubi and Im Joo-eun ^^

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I think the film awards are at least decent in awarding stuff to deserving people but the drama awards are all sorts of crap....
baeksang used to be the go-to for fairness until they awards Kim Soo Hyun for Moon/Sun over Han Suk Kyu in TWDR.

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I'm so sad...no really good dramas out lately... it is so saddening that there ain't no k-drama crack out there. 2014 was not a good year for k-dramas. The only thing I watched all the way through was 'Bride of the Century' and Good Doctor (was that this year?).

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come ooooonnn people!! korean awards is popularity awards. So deal with it.

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I'm mad at awards business in Korea and even more sad when my favorites didn't show up and it seems they only invites the winners. No fun! At least even though they don't win, I want them to show up at red carpet or something. Last year GHJ wasn't show up at SBS and we knew automatically that GHJ-SJS won't win Best Couple award.
Baeksang or any other awards than KBS/SBS/MBC also isn't better.
And Beanie awards was more fun. Hope Dramabeans will always keep the tradition.

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I didn't have high hopes of them winning anyway - weren't they far behind in the polls behind the heirs couple?

I was a little annoyed GHJ didn't even get top ten though. Grrrr!

Then again, she won all the awards in 2011 for Best Love because it was the hit trendiest drama of the year, not necessarily because it was the greatest drama of the year. I'm saying that despite loving that drama to death, okay.

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Must you put up a pic of crying Joowonie at the top..my day started with this pic ?

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I gave up on the credibility of those awards. But it's also unrealistic to please dramafans everywhere.

What really gets to me is that they seem to notify the winners before hand, or worse only invite them. That picture from the Drama Awards where KSH, KSR and the other winners were sitting front row next to each other is no coincidence. What's fun about that??

The best thing for me about the awards season is the recap at Drambeans and the Beanie Awards-keep them coming!
It's always nice to see our drama stars look their best.

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Being a rather older generation with cynical character, I cannot help wondering if all those awarded actors feel obliged to show the best emotionally ridden cries to prove their awards worth-ness? or are actors in generally quite emo???
Kim Soo Hyun definitely is one of the best actors for crying scenes but I find it too much that he shows off his emo cry skill there. 'If you had gotten too emotional, just man up!! You have already received so many awards. you should be quite jaded by now.' Sorry for his fans but I cannot help it.

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I'm totally with you on KSH's award reception. I used to like him alot because of his performance in MoonSun but later put off by his over-the-top crying at award ceremonies. It just seemed staged and insincere to me.

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How about a Olympics style model? Gold Silver Bronze? Is that too similar to the "everyone wins a prize" ? Do you go by ratings, fan votes,, (difficult to combat spamming), or how about having the industry, (actors, writers, producers) vote?

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I rather like this idea! The Gold Silver Bronze awards.

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I was very disappointed in last year's KBS Drama Awards. None of the Sword and Flower cast got an award, just because the ratings were bad. The main actors' acting was amazing, Uhm Tae Woong, Kim Ok Bin, Cho Min Soo. Such a shame.

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Love Beanies Award. I run through the list every year just to pick some drama to watch.

I think community here is awesome with quality.

Thank you so much for your effort to build this site and stand for this community!

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actor wise i'll still go with Joo Woon…am not his fan but capability wise he is really good hopefully he will be good in he's upcoming drama…and kim so hyun am still in doubt for other characters although he is good in The Moon that embraces the sun…still i'll have to see he's acting in a good script…but per see all actors change when they can execute the right character and for that Jo In Sung i'll give my big applause….now i know why he is picky with script he got a good eye in choosing a drama regardless of rating….and as of my opinion i need a good/interesting story not just a kdrama which i will forget when one drama comes along…..

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Reading your dialogue-type posts, complete with friendly banter and teasing one-upmanship, is like watching verbal tennis..like that portrayed in the movie, "Rosencrantz & Guildernstern Are Dead." I just wanna keep watching you two hit the ball back-and-forth into each other's court until the end of time... Keep up the witty rivalry javagirl!

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Hilarious. I can't help but agree to the both of you. I hate awards show because they won't give credit to the more deserving dramas but I still on the look out for "who wins" and "who don't." I'm actually curious in the tvN awards because it's their first time and I wonder how would that be "different" from the main stations. And of course, the Beanie Awards. :)) Hooray.

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spot on! always love your commentaries :)

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Since I've been following the Kdrama awards shows from you guys. Some clarification is needed on this one.

Yeah...
Why is it is that only the winners show up to pick up the award? How come the nominees are never there? Is it the lack of space? Is it some type respect, I mean saving-face-kind-of for the losers?
Please help me understand.

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That Joo Won pic tho! LOL

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Excuse me, girlfriday and javabeans :)
You wronged SBS with KBS.
SBS is the station that they spread their love a lot, not KBS.

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