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Healer: Episode 8

It’s a good thing I write these recaps as I watch the episode and not after already watching it through, because otherwise today’s recap would just be pictures and unintelligible vowel sounds. Like urrrrrrr and eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. I’m sure that would’ve been entertaining for all of two seconds before you needed to know exactly what happened to asplode my lingual skills. So without further ado…

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EPISODE 8 RECAP

Myung-hee’s unexpected run-in with Jung-hoo occupies her thoughts afterward, and we see the encounter play out from her perspective. This time when the Healer steps out of the study, he actually bears her friend Joon-seok’s face and she calls out his name in surprise. But her vision of Joon-seok’s face is replaced with Jung-hoo’s actual one, and she drops his sleeve at the realization. Similar, but different.

Still, she tries to follow when he hurries away, although Moon-shik holds her back. As her knee-jerk reaction fades, she remembers that her friend has been dead twenty years and can’t be the person she saw, assuming that her mind was playing tricks on her. Moon-shik, however, carefully files away this information about the uncanny resemblance.

Moon-shik calls the Healer a burglar and Myung-hee decides that her confusion was her mistake, since she didn’t get a good look at the face after all. But the reminder of Joon-seok spurs the desire to get in touch with his widow, and she asks her husband to look into it. Moon-shik cautions that she might not want the reminder, but Myung-hee persists.

Moon-shik casually-but-not-casually mentions their son, and Myung-hee supplies him with the name and age (28, a month older than Ji-an), and another piece seems to click into place in his brain. It is a scary-smart brain.

The grounds crawl with security guards who completely miss the shadowy Healer perched up in a tree. I know the Healer’s the best in the industry, but the SS goons hardly make that look like an accomplishment. Jung-hoo is too intrigued to leave, watching Myung-hee at her window as he puts in a call to Min-ja.

Jung-hoo guesses that the reason Min-ja and Teacher wanted him out of the country was because of this connection between Myung-hee and his father. He gives Min-ja a long moment to explain why, and when the line remains silent, he says that he’ll have to find out for himself then.

But just as he’s about to head back, his Teacher’s voice comes over the line, stopping him short. He provides just enough information about Myung-hee’s identity to prevent him from going off like a hothead, and directs Jung-hoo to a meeting spot.

Jung-hoo drives furiously and arrives at the riverbank, where he thinks back to being eight: “After my mother left, I’ve never cried because of a person. I didn’t hope for anything from another person either. What I hate most in this world is a person’s understanding and interest.”

This flashes him back to his schoolboy years, when he’s punished at school for fighting with other boys. His teacher clucks over his constant troublemaking but asks the counselor for her understanding and interest, since Jung-hoo has no parents. He sits there enduring his teacher’s pity and his classmates’ ridicule as it’s explained that his father killed himself and his mother left.

When Jung-hoo returns to class, word has spread. Worse than ridicule is pity, and when a classmate tells the others to go easy on Jung-hoo, it only sparks more rage.

His phone rings with a call from Young-shin, who pelts him with questions and concern: Was he tracking down bars all night? Did he sleep? Why isn’t he picking up his calls? She picks up on his down mood, then asks him to pick either east or west. She received information yesterday that she ought to report to Moon-ho, but isn’t sure how much to reveal, so she’ll decide randomly. Hence: east or west?

She doesn’t leave room for Jung-hoo to protest, so he arbitrarily picks east and tries to get in a few words—difficult, when he’s not supposed to know what her info’s about. But she just tells him to eat breakfast and come in late if he needs to.

He thinks again, “What I hate most in the world is understanding and interest. Or, I used to.”

While Young-shin waits for Moon-ho to arrive at work, she mulls over her dilemma. She remembers advice she’d once been told about trusting other people, and how you shouldn’t automatically mistrust the 49 people out of 50 who are trustworthy, just because one isn’t. And yet… there’s the Healer’s warning to be wary of people who approach her with nice gestures.

She’s there when Moon-ho’s broadcast hoobae, Jong-soo, arrives to play out his role of spy. He presents himself as a close associate of Moon-ho’s, so Young-shin asks what kind of person Moon-ho is. Jong-soo agrees to tell her, if she’ll tell him all about this Chae Young-shin person, who may be the reason for Moon-ho’s move to Someday.

Young-shin’s face goes through a hilarious series of reactions to Jong-soo’s questions, which have less to do with her character and much more to do with whether she’s fresh-faced or sweet or stacked. Just then Moon-ho arrives and calls her name (Jong-soo starts in embarrassment), steering her aside for a report on her latest findings.

Young-shin plays President Hwang’s room-salon footage for Moon-ho and Editor Jang, which contains over 200 hours of video of various important men being drunk and sleazy with Hwang’s stable of actresses. But naturally they want to know where she got her hands on this evidence, and she fumbles for an answer before settling on the truth.

She reveals that her informant is someone she’s been researching for a very long time, and that it took a lot of effort to manage a rendezvous. However, she’s frank about her misgivings in trusting Moon-ho with this, since she’s not sure he won’t claim her work. Therefore, she asks that he entrust her with handling contact with the source.

Moon-ho promises readily, and asks who it is. She asks if he knows what a night courier is, and names one such messenger called the Healer. Moon-ho confirms that he’s heard of the guy.

Jung-hoo comes rushing into the office to report to the boss, but Jong-soo blocks him and insists there’s a meeting going on. Jung-hoo pulls a feint—again, mixing Bong-soo-like clumsiness with Healer’s slick moves to whirl around Jong-soo and barge in anyway.

He announces that he’s found Hwang’s favorite room salon, Luna Moon, acting like he spent all night pounding the pavement instead of just beating the info out of Hwang.

As he’s talking, Young-shin sees the pop-up notification on Moon-ho’s computer: email from the Healer. She looks at him in shock, and Moon-ho asks the others to leave them to some privacy. Jung-hoo purposely drops papers that give him an excuse to plant a bug underneath the table, then is ushered out by the editor.

Young-shin eyes Moon-shin with a fresh wave of distrust: Why would Healer be emailing Moon-ho? Via the bug, Jung-hoo listens in on the conversation as Young-shin asks Moon-ho whether he hired the Healer, and what he requested. He’s got Min-ja on the other line, who sent the email at his instructions, since he wanted clarification about why Moon-ho wanted Young-shin protected.

Moon-ho admits that he hired the Healer but declines to answer why, turning the conversation into an interviewing critique—she’s approaching him all wrong. She asks if he asked the Healer to save her from gangsters, and to take her DNA sample. She can’t understand his reasons, neither can she just drop it and accept non-answers.

Despite picking at her interviewing flaws, Moon-ho decides to answer her initial question about why he came to Someday. He says he wanted to set up his own outlet and ran background checks on every employee, not just her. After all, she’ll be a journalistic “human shield” for him, so he has to make sure she’s in good shape.

Stated like that it sounds so simple, and it gets him off the hook for every question minus the one he can’t answer about her DNA, which he baldly denies. Young-shin is hit with a wave of disappointment and embarrassment, and says that her exchange with the Healer yesterday now “makes me want to die.”

At that, we split-screen to show Jung-hoo’s face reacting to her mortification (agh, so good) as she thinks of his warning not to trust too readily. She cuts herself off before admitting that much to Moon-ho, though he’s more interested in the tidbit about her meeting the Healer yesterday. Did she see his face?

She replies, “If I’d seen it, I would know just how pitifully he regarded me.”

Moon-shik receives confirmation that Young-shin was found at the age of five and bounced from family to family for a while, and was finally adopted at eight. She was found behind a trash can in a Seoul alleyway, and was thought to have a speech disability because she refused to talk.

The report badly shakes Moon-shik’s composure, and he thinks back to the aftermath of that accident. Badly injured and lying in a hospital bed, Myung-hee begs him to find Ji-an for her. He inquires at the police station, where a report confirms that a child was found hiding behind a trash can, and that takes him to the orphanage.

Sobbing Ji-an runs to hug him, and Moon-shik comforts her wearing a heavy expression. You can see the wheels already turning in his head….

As Moon-shik recalls this, he starts breathing heavily and then hears a voice asking, “Why did you do it?” He sees his old friend Joon-seok in the room, chiding him: “If you were gonna be torn up about it forever, you should’ve just brought her home.” Ooh, is he turning all Macbeth on us now?

He tries to ignore his conscience-specter, but Joon-seok persists, asking if he thought Ji-an’s survival would keep Myung-hee bound to her dead husband. He looks like he wants to defend himself, but every time he tries to speak up, Joon-seok disappears.

And then another voice asks, “Why did you do it?” This time it’s Gil-han, Myung-hee’s first husband, reminding him, “We were friends.” He advances on Moon-shik with that look of betrayal on his face, and Moon-shik shrinks back in fear. “Friends shouldn’t do that,” Gil-han says.

And upping the creep factor even more, we see the secretary watching intently from the doorway, noting Moon-shik’s erratic behavior and reporting it straightaway to the Elder. He explains about the brothers being interested in the child lost in 1992, and that Moon-ho appears to have already approached her.

The Elder calls Moon-shik “top class” among all the people he’s developed, knowing his place without being servile, and when to advance and when to retreat. “But you see,” he adds, “Moon-shik has exactly one weakness. That daughter.” She has the capability to turn him into a balloon doll—one of those dancing balloons you put in front of stores. One needle is all it takes to pop it: “And we can’t let that happen to Moon-shik.”

The secretary understands what he means, and agrees to send Moon-ho a clear warning without Moon-shik knowing.

Moon-ho replies to the Healer’s request for information, advising him to be particularly wary of Secretary Oh. He also adds the order for the Healer to not contact Young-shin personally.

Then he assigns Young-shin and Jung-hoo (dude, couple sweaters!) to interview Yeon-hee and asks for a detective to whom they can submit the evidence, so as to prevent the other side from obstructing the case. Young-shin knows of one such character, having run into Investigator Yoon while staking out Hwang.

Then Moon-ho introduces his buddy to the team, and Editor Jang is still unable to understand why these elites would choose to come here. Moon-ho prods Jong-soo to tell them what he’d confessed earlier: that he came to spy for Moon-shik. Aw, so he couldn’t backstab his sunbae after all! I wanted to be able to keep liking him, and now I’m glad I can.

Young-shin gripes about Moon-ho on the car ride over to the interview, asking if it’s so hard for him to praise her a little for staying up all night researching. All that work catches up to her and she nods off in her seat, and as her head starts to fall, Jung-hoo carefully reaches over to prop it up with his hand.

He drives like that all the way to Young-shin’s house, where he finds weird gangster-looking ajusshis hanging about. He’s just about to back away before they’re seen, but Young-shin awakes and lights up, darting out to greet her ex-con ajusshi uncles. The mood is adorably energetic as they fawn over her, until grumpy Dad shoos them away for scaring off his customers. Jung-hoo watches this all with bemusement that gradually turns to amusement.

Over at the SS office, Sang-soo assures Secretary Oh that he and his team are up to the task. Then he gives his guys an hour to accomplish their goal, and they get to work manipulating a voice clip taken from Moon-ho’s news broadcast.

Dad again asks Yeon-hee if she’s okay to go through with the interview, even if her face will be pixelated onscreen. He knows how the other side’s attorney will attack, and giving an interview could have adverse effects on her. But Yeon-hee remains firm, reminding him that she isn’t concerned with preserving her reputation; all she wants is to take them down.

Dad asks for some time to discuss things with Yeon-hee before giving the interview, and they step aside. Young-shin asks Jung-hoo if he can handle the camera equipment, and he meekly just says he’s sure it’ll work out. Ha. He surreptitiously links in to Min-ja, who adds that his father was reportedly a whiz with machines too.

She reads him Moon-ho’s reply email, including that addendum about not making personal contact with Young-shin. I think we all know Healer well enough by now to see that this is exactly the kind of thing to spur his rebellious streak, and he just scoffs.

Young-shin leans over to examine the camera setup, and as she looks at the equipment, he looks over at her. He reaches out with a finger, and she looks at him in puzzlement as he lightly touches her forehead. “What are you doing?” she asks. “Contact,” he replies. “Personal contact.” LOL. He is such a teenager sometimes.

Min-ja practically rolls her eyes, then mentions the Teacher asking a strange question earlier about whether he preferred fruit or chocolate. Is it some kind of a code? But Jung-hoo has no clue.

Young-shin puts on a record and starts mugging for the camera, which confuses Jung-hoo. She tells him to let it go because she’s in a heavy mood, all while sending funny faces at the camera. Then she assumes a serious journalist’s mien as she runs through a mic test, mock-reporting: “Hello everyone. You are looking at a woman who has been rejected by her Crushes 1 and 2 simultaneously, who is here with clear mind to report all the same.”

Jung-hoo’s expression sharpens as he registers this. She continues: “Number 1 called this woman a human shield, and Number 2 thinks of her as a delusional attention seeker. However, let us forget this readily. Like a sad dream conjured in the middle of the night, which goes like darkness at the light of dawn. Let us forget. Let us pretend it never happen—”

She stumbles before finishing. Jung-hoo looks up at her with those eyes (those eyes), and she blinks back tears and chatters quickly about the weather.

The interview begins, and Yeon-hee names names and tells her story frankly. Young-shin starts light and increases the pressure, asking if she went along to entertain the assemblyman because she thought she’d be rewarded with favors later. It’s a little strong, so she backs off and moves on, but Yeon-hee answers anyway, saying that Young-shin doesn’t know the fear so she can talk about it so easily. She says that those people are capable of doing anything to protect their interests.

Secretary Oh confirms that whatever scheme he’s put the SS team on, it’s ready to go.

Meanwhile, Jung-hoo finally gets a call from his Teacher, who asks if he prefers chocolate or sweet potatoes. He tells him to go home immediately if he wants to meet, because Teacher’s only waiting five minutes. Jung-hoo’s exit is stopped by ajusshi, who tells him to take lunch with him, and a glimpse at the pastry case jars Jung-hoo’s memory—it’s his birthday. So that’s what Old Fogey Teacher was rattling on about?

Moon-ho calls Young-shin to the office, because an informant has surfaced. She heads out immediately, following his directions to a particular location… and we see that this is the SS tech team’s doing. Gack, they’ve doctored Moon-ho’s voice using his broadcasts, and she’s none the wiser. Fake Moon-ho directs her to turn off her phone as well, to evade potential tracking, and she complies.

Then the real Moon-ho gets a call from an unknown number. It’s a random schoolboy, who reads a note provided by Secretary Oh warning him not to forget that he owes the family who raised him, and that he cannot throw it away over one bad woman, and that his family is awaiting his return.

Alarmed, Moon-ho tries calling Young-shin and gets no reply. So he sends Healer an email outlining the details, and Jung-hoo screeches the car to a halt and orders ajumma to locate Young-shin via the tracker in her bag. He hears the direction and zooms off in a hurry. So does Moon-ho.

Secretary Oh prepares the next phase of his eeeevil plan by entering a building dressed as a construction worker, and starts to tamper with some kind of machinery. That’s the building Young-shin arrives at, although the front doors are locked. That forces her to go around to find an open door, and she enters cautiously, looking for Moon-ho.

She finds the one elevator that will work—the one that Secretary Oh has just messed with. She steps inside, and the elevator begins its ascent. Once it’s in motion, Secretary Oh opens the cable box and snips a wire.

Suddenly, the elevator jolts and clangs to a stop, while the lights flicker off. Then, it starts to free-fall—with nine stories between her and death. The elevator stops after a short drop, but it doesn’t look like it’ll hold for long.

Driving like a maniac, Jung-hoo arrives at the building and heads inside the same way. He hears the elevator gears as it begins a second fall, running in that direction as it catches a second time. He bangs on the doors at the bottom and she hears it, screaming out for help.

Jung-hoo starts running up the staircase, and Secretary Oh, who’s heading down, hears the approach with enough time to duck aside.

Young-shin fights to tamp down her mounting panic, but she can feel the precarious hold on the elevator and starts to hyperventilate. Jung-hoo arrives on the rooftop and quickly clips emergency cords in place, wearing one end as a harness, and runs to the elevator shaft.

Opening the doors manually, he sees the car stuck halfway down and leaps into the shaft, guided by the cables, and lands atop the car with a thud that makes Young-shin scream.

He opens the door and drops into the elevator next to her, just as the last of the cables give way and start snapping. He quickly pulls her cap down over her eyes and belts her into the harness, then grabs hold of her with one arm and the cable with the other.

The elevator begins its final plummet, literally falling away around them as they are pulled upward.

Jung-hoo assists Young-shin onto the rooftop, but once they’re there she flings off his arm angrily. Aw, she’s still embarrassed.

She yells at him for risking his life, and then says in a wavering voice that she’s grateful for his help, “But if we fell together, we would have both died!” More to the point, he would have died, and just because of her.

Her eyes still covered, she asks if he’s still here and reaches out a hand just as she did the other day. He steps back before she makes contact but she figures he’s still around and says that even though Moon-ho paid him for his work, she doesn’t have the money to pay him back for saving her life. “I’m sorry,” she says quietly. “Thank you.”

Without saying anything, he drops her bag at her feet and starts walking away. But he stops after a few steps, registering the snow that’s started to fall.

His voiceover repeats earlier sentiments: “After becoming alone, up till now, I haven’t wished for anything from another person. And so, I was fine.”

Below, Moon-ho arrives outside the building and heads inside. Jung-hoo continues: “I didn’t care at all whether anyone understood or misunderstood me. I was like that.”

But past tense is past tense, and he suddenly whirls around, walking purposely toward Young-shin. He pulls off his gloves and folds up her hat, just enough to see the bottom half of her face. He stops short of her eyes… and leans in… and kisses her.

 
COMMENTS

I’m sorry, am I supposed to write comments and make sense after that? Surely you don’t expect me to be useful at this point, do you? Not when all I want to do is rewind the last ten minutes and watch it fifty times?

Okay, fine, let’s be professional and all that. Pull it together, ‘beans.

Let’s start with the older generation, whose layers continue to be peeled back one by one—yet again, deft handling by the writing here. It’s difficult to maintain mystery without being too cryptic on one hand, or revealing too much and flattening out the tension on the other. So I’m content to see each character introduced in stages, so that we get to see how they fit into the larger picture by degrees. Obviously Jung-hoo’s father was a victim and not the aggressor, but I’m still curious to know exactly how the betrayal went, and in what order.

Despite Moon-shik being a pretty clear villain, I like that he doesn’t seem to be a black-and-white sort of guy. Yes, he’s guilty as sin: If he didn’t outright kill his friends, he still bore responsibility for their demises, not to mention the present-day hits he’s ordering as a part of his clean-up job. His hands are unclean and bloodstained, and he doesn’t seem all too torn up about killing Go Sung-chul, for instance. But I don’t want him to be this flat mastermind whose life was consumed by an obsessive love for a woman he had to have. That’s too simple and I don’t buy it, and I don’t think the show means to take that route either.

I’d rather see Moon-shik as a tragic figure—the guy who had every capacity to be a hero, but made every bad choice. I don’t think redemption has to be in his cards, but his complexity is what I find fascinating about him—I don’t care when he’s smug and in perfect control, but I do feel sucked in when he hallucinates his friends and actually seems afraid. I want to see him come to an understanding that he was completely wrong, and I want to have him wish for his soul, only to realize he’s already sold it.

As for the romance, I’m trying to pinpoint what about Jung-hoo and Young-shin make it so exciting and giddy-making, because its parts alone don’t explain it—we’ve seen these elements time and time again, and in some dramas I find them trite and unmoving, while in others I’m squealing at my screen and hugging myself.

I always love when the romantic journey plays off other elements of the story, and Healer gives us that. This isn’t to say a pure romantic storyline wouldn’t work well, but things are always more fun when you add layers and faces and dimension. (A single light may shine, but there’s something extra satisfying about holding up a gem to the light and finding unexpected glints coming through from other facets.)

Both Jung-hoo and Young-shin have some growing up to do on their own, and their connection is more like a collective group of smaller connections. They’re friends, colleagues, fellow survivors of abandonment—and then there’s the extra connection they don’t even know about, with regard to their childhoods. Jung-hoo has voiced the same sentiment a few times now, that he used to feel a certain way, and is starting to change his mind about them.

I don’t get the sense that it’s as simple as “I like her so I feel differently,” but that the things he can’t abide in other people don’t apply to her, because she’s a kindred spirit. When somebody comes at him from a certain perspective, he has a tendency to dig in his heels and rebel, as we see with Min-ja and Teacher. But when that person is seeing things through your own eyes, whether you mean for them to see that or not, you can’t have the same response, because now their view is your view. Sometimes that’s all it takes.

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Thank you once again for the recap! As I watched this ep., I kept thinking, “Oh my feels!!!!!!” It’s not something I say often, however with drama episodes like ep.8, I understand why people say that (at times). At times, this drama keeps me on the edge of my seat, like when PBS and KMH were rushing to save CYS, even though I knew that she would be safe by the end of the ep. I just loved how that scene was executed and shot. I will also add that I LOVE the instrumental pieces in this show (and the other songs [with lyrics] are good as well). Besides the one we have been asking about, the drama has added some instrumental songs that are really good, and played at appropriate times.

I have a confession to make: when I went to a website to watch this ep. raw, I couldn’t miss the comments about the kiss. So I did what a romantic and curious woman would do, I dragged the needle to the last 10mns of the ep., and I watched the ending 1st (twice), then I watched the ep. from the beginning. I am hoping that we will see more of the kiss in the beginning of ep.9. B/c of scenes like the kiss scene, it is (very) good to be a part of a community of Kdrama lovers, b/c being able to squee about said kisses and other romantic or skinship scenes enhances the experience of the ep. imho. And this is one of the many reasons why I (really) do not mind dissecting dramas :-)

Last time I saw JCW kissing his co-star, it was in SD, so quite a while ago for me (and I don’t remember those kisses well). One of the many things I really LOVE about watching Kdramas, is that usually, the kisses are few and between (compared to say US and French series), and so the anticipation of kisses NEVER gets old for me. It’s not only the kiss that I anticipate, it is HOW the 1st kiss STARTS, aka, the leading up to it, AND the 1st few secs of the kiss. So I was very curious about how JCW was going to start his kiss. I loved that SJH (and his aliases) managed to save CYS on time. I loved how he confidently strode away from her, not caring about clearing up the misunderstanding. I loved how, after feeling the snow, he stopped, turned around, and walked BACK confidently to CYS (I love watching JCW and Park Sang-won walk. JCW can strut his stuff). I LOVED how when SJH/Healer came back to CYS, everything he did was (then) slow, gentle, and deliberate (Kyaa!). He took his time, and there was a softness and sensuality (RE: the kiss), that just emanated from his actions. I don’t know if JCW was acting (maybe he was), but I LOVED the whole scene. The gifs are even better, b/c we can better see the kiss. Man! As someone said during the MLFAS days, this is one of the reasons why Kdramas can get some of us in trouble, LOL! I am soooo glad I don’t have to squee about this kiss alone.

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This might be a small detail, however I loved that Healer hesitated before kissing CYS (lingering on that moment), deciding that he didn’t want her to forget about him, after all. And JCW went for the lower lip 1st! I have noticed that some K. actors start their kisses in dramas that way, going for the lower lip 1st. This kiss scene reminded me of the kiss in Pinocchio, (b/c of the snow), and it reminded me of the kiss in SKKS, b/c of how slow and deliberate that kiss started as well (in ep.17, I think). I have run out of space, so I will have to talk about the other things that happened in the ep. later. I also have to confess that I thought we would be trolled, RE: this kiss, when I watched the preview. I didn’t think it would really happen.

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Hi Ivoire
I just have to smile at your comments! I also have to agree. Dissecting the kiss is fun!! :D

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Hi GB,

I am glad that you agree that dissecting the kiss is fun, b/c it actually is, and as I said earlier, one can learn so much about the characters AND about the actors and actresses when watching kiss scenes and the BTS of kiss scenes. You can often see the comfort levels of the actor and actress doing the kiss scene, you can see (sometimes) who is into the kiss more (and vice versa, who is into it less), etc... It has also been interesting to me to read interviews actors and actresses have given, when it comes to that topic.

I also personally believe that many (or maybe some) actors and actresses have a "style" or an approach to kissing (even if it is just on camera). That can also depend on who their acting partner is, however, I have found that I can also tell when an actor/actress is being mindful of the person s/he is kissing, and of his/her reactions. Also, when the kiss did not go as expected, I have seen (a few times) one of the parties have a questioning look. It is interesting, and you can actually see it. So, this whole kissing as part of an acting role can be quite telling.

So that being said, I did focus on other things besides the kiss in this ep., I just wanted to put my thoughts about the kiss out there 1st, and I have never written at such length about a kiss before, at least not on a blog. I did think that the rescue scene before the rooftop scene was awesome, even though I got lost as to how things actually really happened (I didn't fully understand how Healer managed to get into the elevator and saved CYS), so I was not going to discuss it 1st. I was glad that JB understood, and that she could write about it. I do have some questions, however:

1-How did KMS figure out that CYS must be/might be Ji-han? What tipped him off about her? I was not too sure about that, b/c KMH never gave her name, he just said that she might still be alive. Was it the fact that she wrote that interview? And was it the fact that KMH chose to work at SDN (Someday News), of all places? I can see why KMS asked to dig into CYS's past, however I want to understand better his thought process about her.

2-Why does CYS feel embarrassed RE: Healer? I read that Healer probably kissed her to clear up the misunderstanding (so I wrote that), however I am still not really sure what the misunderstanding is. I think that her questions about whether he was her dad or her brother made sense (in ep.7), from her POV. What did she assume Healer saw her as, after she found out that KMH knew Healer and had hired him? She mentioned feeling pitiful.

3-Why doesn't KMH want Healer to contact CYS? He just helped her (and SDN) by getting and giving them the evidence of predt Hwang's activities (of his girls, with some very powerful men). Can someone explain KMH's reasoning to me, please?

4-Any speculations as to why CYS would be KMS's "weakness?" I mean besides the fact that it would destroy his relationship with his wife. Elder sounded...

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@ GB, end of my post:

4-Any speculations as to why CYS would be KMS's "weakness?" I mean besides the fact that it would destroy his relationship with his wife. Elder sounded like CYS was his Achille's heel.

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Hi Ivoire
I can maybe answer only some of your questions.

1-"How did KMS figure out that CYS must be/might be Ji-han?"

I admit I'm not sure about this. There was a convergence of incidents starting with the question of Ji An's empty grave. Healer had shaken MS up with his threat and Myung Hee had awakened the memory of Joon Seok and those associated with the past including Jung Hoo and Ji An. He has been keeping tabs on Moon Ho too and knows that he has done something unprecedented in buying Someday and has been taking an interest in Young Shin. Putting 2 and 2 together, he decides to find out and gets the confirmation.

2-"Why does CYS feel embarrassed RE: Healer?"

The answer is given very nicely by yuppie in comment 17 below and I also mentioned about the same thing in
comment 60.1.1. She felt pitiful because she thought he had been saving her because he cared for her as family but when Moon Ho admitted to hiring Healer, her hopes were dashed, thinking that Healer was only doing his job. She had spoken to him the day before and felt embarrassed by her questions to him about him being family. Also Moon Ho made it seem that what Healer did was just a routine background check and nothing special, in fact Moon Ho claimed that he did the check because she was a bullet proof vest to him. So she felt pathetic and was even more embarrassed. (Poor kid)

3- "Why doesn’t KMH want Healer to contact CYS?"

My guess is that he has just found out that Healer made contact with YS, that it is raising a lot of questions, that she is upset that he hired Healer and that she was regretting asking Healer questions. To Moon Ho it could also be to keep Young Shin from finding out more and he may have felt that Healer had exceeded instructions by meeting her and passing on the hard drive. To avoid more of this, he instructs Healer not to make contact.

4-"Any speculations as to why CYS would be KMS’s “weakness?” "

Any person who might make a 'faithful dog' decide not to obey the master is anathema to people like the Elder. Elder seems to know about Moon Shik's overwhelming guilt and how it is tied to Ji An. Having her around would affect MS's judgement and make him maybe a loose canon. We see already that the info on her brought up the 'ghosts' of Joon Seok and Gil Han and shook him up plenty. So in that sense, having her around would make him an unstable ally. Weakness here means he has a weakness for her ie would change his behaviour because of his emotional baggage attached to her.

Happy New Year! It's 1 Jan 2015 over at my side!!!

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As an addendum to what was posted by GB: -

3- “Why doesn’t KMH want Healer to contact CYS?”

2 different reasons which may not be exclusive. KMH could see that CYS was deeply affected by her meeting with Healer - she felt dirty, humiliated, pitiful, embarrassed even, but that was only after being told Healer was paid to do what he did. Before, she thought Healer acted as he did for her own sake. There's a real possibility that CYS may develop feelings for Healer, guy with a dangerous, secretive, shadowy job. Anybody closely connected to such a person will also be in danger. To protect CYS, remove the possibility of emotional attachments by prohibiting contact - protect, but stay out of sight. That's the protective 'uncle' in him.

The other reason is removal of a perceived competition - KMH himself may be harbouring feelings for CYS. KMH adores, if not loves Myung-hee, so much so that he can't bring himself to call her other than Noona. He was there at CYS' birth, when as a new born, she grabbed his fingers and he kissed her hands. Even if there was no transfer of his adoration/love of MH to CYS, his feelings for CYS could have started then. Removing the competition would be the 'man' in him. Creepy maybe, but KMH is so layered that his feelings towards CYS has always been ambiguous.

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Just wanted to reply to 1 since the rest have been dissected so carefully.

He figured out CYS was Ji Han because of their background (in being adopted). CYS was found at the age of 5 (the same age Ji Han was lost) in a garbage truck dump and could not speak (which was how he had 'left' Ji Han). Given that their ages are the same, and that Moon Ho had earlier tipped his hand by paying an inordinate amount of attention to her AND had kept talking about Ji Han, I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say he made the connection quite quickly and accurately.

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@ patinalee

Great exposition patinalee! I was struggling with a smidgeon of that idea but just could not develop it...and gave it up... I felt that there was a protective aspect (protect her, protect himself) to that "Do not make contact" order. You've put it properly into words.

Good to have 'teamwork' to flesh out this idea. :)

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That's why I LOVE this site and the Community.

The site - for providing the platform; the Community - for generously sharing their thoughts, sometimes funnily but always friendly.

'Teamwork', hwaiting! :-D

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About how YS feels RE: Healer

I just got to watch with different subs. YS was doing the camera test and said her 2nd one-sided crush saw her as a delusional attention seeker. So that's what she thought Healer thought of her. She had asked him if he had saved her for her own sake and had asked if they were related....in that way sort of confessing that she hoped for more of a relationship.

He had responded with the warning not to trust/follow people who came close to her. From with Moon Ho she discovers that she must have sounded daft to Healer since it was only a commission to keep her safe. She has revealed too much to Healer and is embarrassed.

Sorry for the long-windedness. Just thought of that to add on after seeing more subs on Tiveee.

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Hello, Ivoire! It's so nice to read your comments again. Also, I am sorry, I just realized that I hadn't been able to respond to your last post in our previous exchange.

Agreed. I thought the kiss they shared is special because of 1. the events that led to it (holy schmoly epic elevator Superman action scene), 2. the meaning behind it (Jung Hoo wanting to clear up the misunderstanding between the two of them) and 3. Jung Hoo finally giving in to his pent-up feelings.

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Hellooooo Omomo~ Sorry for the late response. Better late than sorry, I say :-) PART1:

It is wonderful to connect with you again. I know I did not comment on the epis. 5 &6 recaps, b/c I was so busy, and the internet was down at her house the Monday that ep.5 was shown. So I couldn’t watch the ep., and I could not get online to comment  You know, about this, “Also, I am sorry, I just realized that I hadn’t been able to respond to your last post in our previous exchange, I totally understand, so you don’t need to worry. If you were ever itching to respond to those comments however, please feel free to do so, and just let me know that you have responded (and please copy and paste the info of said post in a current recap, so I would know where to look for it, ie your screen name, the # of the post, and the date). That way, I could go back to that recap, and look for your post, and comment, if needed. That is what I do, when I respond to an old post. I really don’t mind going back to read or respond to old posts, to be honest, just so you know. I just need to know that new posts have been added, really.

I like the reasons you list to explain the importance of that kiss scene, though I would add to that list (if I may): 1-I agree with you that the elevator scene was epic and so well done, though I will admit to have wanted to understand that scene better. So, Healer got into the elevator from the top, right? He opened the elevator box from the top, and he let himself down (and he was sliding down all the floors [of the box]) with the help of the many emergency cords he gathered at the top of the building, right? That rescue scene is the kind of scenes I would like to watch in slow motion, so I can really see what happened. OK, so then Healer got close to CYS, I think he either put a cord on her, or he only had the one on himself, but he managed to pull her into his arms (and close to his body), so he could hold her tight, so they could leave together (I rewatched the ep., I think Healer put the cord on CYS, and then he held on to her, and lifted both of them up in the air). What I didn’t understand, was how they left. Did Healer pull on the cords, and the cords just lifted him (if so, how?) That was confusing to me, can you please explain? (If you understood better than I did).

1-So yes, the rescue scene was awesome, and I loved how quickly Healer reacted and responded. 2-You know, as I watched the ep. with subs (finally!), I came to realize that to me, the kiss in this ep. was quite significant, b/c of everything that lead up to it, not only in this ep. but more so since the 1st ep. Hindsight, as they say, is 20/20 and remembering some of what I watched and heard since the 1st ep., I was able to see that Healer actually craves and longs for “intimacy” with someone, and she happens to be CYS. That became quite clear in this ep.

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@ Omomo, PART 2:

At 1st, I thought I didn’t understand Healer, that I read him wrong, but that was not correct. I actually read him right from the beginning. I went and reread my 1st comment on the ep.4 recap, and it was interesting to me that I was questioning whether I was reading too much into Healer’s behavior or not (I now don’t think I was). I also mentioned how lonely Healer felt (to me) at the time. I hesitated, about Healer being lonely (in the early episodes), b/c he spoke as if that had been a choice he had made, and to a great extent, he had. That decision also helped greatly in his line of work, so at 1st I bought into his “I don’t need anyone” reasoning.

The more I watched the drama, the more I realized that Healer had buried his feelings really deeply, and he believed that he was OK. I also realized that he would actually enjoy the company of (a few, [maybe well chosen]) others. His reaction to Teacher, wanting to celebrate his birthday, showed us that. So to me, the kiss has come to be about more than simply clearing up the misunderstanding. It is also, as you aptly put it, about Healer giving in to how he actually feels about CYS (and yes, about him letting her know that as well). And as we know, “Yes!” he cares (deeply) for CYS, however he is also falling (deeply) in love with her, as we have been witnessing. I look forward to seeing the beginning of ep.9, and seeing what happens after the kiss (I am very curious about that).

I also feel that JH giving in to his feelings must have been liberating to him. Those feelings were bottled up inside, and they would weigh on the person carrying them. Now, we know that the kiss doesn’t solve everything between JH and CYS (not at this point in the drama, at least), however it must have felt good (to both) to experience it.

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Hi Ivoire
About that rescue, a few of us were commenting on it. We feel that he had the makeshift harness with him which he put around YS. He also wrapped part of the line around himself and held on so that his weight was included in that harness. Then when the lift dropped, he grabbed the right cable which was attached to the falling lift but through a pulley above, so that it would pull him up while the lift crashed. :)

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Again, sorry for responding a bit late. I was too preoccupied with laughing at the hilarious comments on the third page of this thread, that I forgot to go back to the first page. Ehehe.

Actually, the elevator scene went by so FAST, I had to watch it several times so my brain could process it. Still, I think it defied all logic because there was just no way Jung Hoo could have predicted what cord (it was too dark!) to pull on unless he has night-vision. The only explanation I can think of as to why he managed to somehow carry his weight along with Young Shin is that his arms have superhuman strength (the cord was tied around YS and not on him, I think, so really in a normal situation, JH should have been helplessly hanging on her body).

Ah yes. Most definitely. That kiss was a great defining moment for Jung Hoo. Character development wise, I think of it as a milestone for him, for finally deciding to do something for himself and for taking the first giant leap in caring for another person deeply in a long time.

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Righto, @Ivoire. There are so many kinds of kisses in k-dramas, one can even be a kissing master just by learning the techniques directly from the pros :D I think somebody should put up a special forum for dissecting kissing scenes.

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This is the most awesome first comment to a thread!

Thanks @Ivoire - I had a blast reading your dissection of the kiss scene :D

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LOL Ivoire! I also fast forwarded to the last 10 minutes after reading about the "kiss scene" in the Healer soompi thread :D
The only difference is that I repeatedly watched the ending (around 10 times) and then watched the beginning...
I also love watching JCW's walk (it's so sexy) and maybe it's just me, but I love all the shoes/sneakers he's worn in the drama (LOL). Anyway, I so love your comments and even though we have never met in person, I have always felt a connection to your thoughts.... Sorry, I know it sounds weird :p

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@ivoire have you watched empree ki? there is kissing scane between JCW and ha jiwon that is the most beautifull eveerrrr... i swear :p <333

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Love that "life-saving" kiss so much!

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Haha wait until you see next episode....his reaction to his first kiss is cute

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@ meolchi89 Hi,
No, I have not watched Empress Ki, though I have heard a lot about it. Could you please tell me in what ep. that kiss scene between JCW and HJW might be? Do you know of a YT link, by any chance?

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I did not finish watching the drama yet ^^ but I think the most beautiful kiss scene in Empress Ki is the underwater kiss ^^
http://youtu.be/dfkDC5vcm3A

A MV of some beautiful scenes (including another kiss scene) and the OST song is sung by Ji Chang Wook :)
http://youtu.be/pUpo3Wh8ieE

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@ R: thank you so much for the links to the MVs. I will watch them when I get a chance.

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Hello guys! (I should probably say gals and guys, maybe?)

Thank you so much for your responses, which I truly appreciate. I wondered if I would come across as a pervert, with my post (since I wrote mostly about the kiss, so far). It turns out that I am not the only one interested in kisses in Kdramas, and in film in general (who knew? :-) )

The truth is for me, kisses tell me so much, not only about the characters, and where they are at in the story, but also about the actors/actresses portraying those characters. If you don't believe me, read some of their interviews about kissing scenes, and you will find out that for some (both males or females), kiss scenes can be intimidating, and challenging. They might have to act, yet that "acting" is done by a real person, who needs to also project certain emotions (such as crying while kissing, passion, desire, hate, longing, etc...) So while we (the audience) might focus on the kiss, I have come to realize that at times, the actor/actress has to think about, and perform more than that. So finding out about what even doing a kissing scene takes (at times), has been interesting, and eye-opening to me.

I will be back later to respond and comment. I have been having the worst computer problems in the past few weeks, and it is a miracle that I have not thrown my computer on the floor yet, and broken it. Some of you responded to my comments on ep.7 recap (KDaddict, GB for example), and I will get back to those, as well as respond to the comments here. I usually read the comments until a new recap is up (so until Monday evening for Healer), and even after that, and I comment until then as well. Please feel free to do the same, that is if you are (still) interested in what I have to say (and write :-) ) If there are no posts from me, it means that my computer got the best of me (stopped working), or that work swallowed me up, or both. Fingers crossed that doesn't happen :-)

I will leave you with a MV of SKKS which, like many Kdramas, have made me appreciate what skinship is, what it can mean, and how and why "being slow and deliberate," can look so appealing. Amazing how we can convey a lot, without being all "in your face" about it. Enjoy! Interestingly, PMY was in SKKS :-) That actress has had some good male actors to act with. And may I just say (I just realized it, watching the MV), PYC has some really nice lips. OK, I will stop there... :-) (though he does... :-) )

Also, the song to the MV is one of my ALL time favorite songs, by IU and SSK.

1--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32cfo9AgiD0

2--Also, the Pinocchio kiss (in ep.8): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNRZ4DvTYzY

3--The nose kiss, by JCW (again, there is that sense of intimacy and gentleness he gives off, though the kiss itself is very innocent): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hWEtxRCh9I

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FYI: I have a previous comment that is awaiting moderation. I am going to try and repost the 1st link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32cfo9AgiD0

I think I marvel at kisses in Kdramas in part b/c of how creative the writers and directors (and actors at times) can be with such kisses. Some of the kisses (or almost kisses) in Kdramas, I haven't seen in US (or French) series, or movies. And the viewers (or is it the people in the dramas?) name the kinds kisses that take place, sth I was unfamiliar with, until I started watching kdramas, and looking at BTS footage, and reading comments on blogs and on YT (the Sofa Kiss, the Game Over Kiss, the Refrigerator Kiss, The Bread Kiss, the Chewing Gum Kiss, etc…). The importance given to emotions (and their portrayal) in kiss scenes and in acting in general in Korea, never fails to impress me. It is b/c of that importance, that I can partly understand what happens in epis. of Kdramas that I watch raw, like this one.

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Cheers Ivoire! Will read ya later :)

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@ GB, Cheers back at you, and thank you!

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Looking at the posts above got me remembering....

Some of my favourite kiss scenes:
1) The cola kiss in Lie To Me
2) The over the kitchen counter kiss in Reply 1997
3) Tiptoe and dance kiss in Queen In Hyun's Man
4) Toast kiss in Pinocchio

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@ GB~
I smiled when I saw your list. I guess we all have our favorite kiss scenes in dramas, don't we? Thank you for sharing that list with us. I am only familiar with kiss 1, 3 and 4 (for now).

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I have to say my favourite kiss scene out of your list is Queen In-Hyun's Man. That drama was the best and the lead's chemistry was off the charts!

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:) at you YOLO

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Does anyone know the song in episode 8 when the healer and cys are kissing?

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Healer's OST Part 4: "YOU" by Ben. It hasn't been released yet.

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Hello Omomo, thank you for the information. Sorry I have not been active here. Too busy, and too many computer problems. I am hoping to able to comment before the next recap.

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Hello GB, and Happy Belated New Year to you!!!!!

I have a few more questions I will post here, with the hope that you will see them. Here they are:

1-Healer pretended to have brought the sheets (from his investigation) with him, right? (when he went into the office).
2-When Healer sent the email (via Min-Ja), it said, “this isn’t it?” What was the “it?”
3-Why does CYS need to be KMH's bulletproof shield (or person)? What did he mean by that?
4-Min-ja said: “why don’t you take a dump?” to Healer, when he made physical contact with CYS (when he touched her). I loved the way he smiled at her, and looked at her, as he did that. Do you know what MJ meant by that, please?
5-When Healer was by the river bank, what brought about his sadness? He looked sad, down and depressed. He said that he didn’t want attention and understanding from others, but at that time, CYS had not called yet (Maybe that was to let the viewers know how Healer felt, about being pitied by people?) Was he there (at the river bank) b/c of what Teacher told him about MH noona? (Healer finding out that she knew his dad, before he passed away). I am safe to assume that the experience with MH noona rattled him, right? Or did that just left him intrigued?
6-Why does Healer sometimes speak formally or informally to CYS (going back and forth), instead of sticking to one form of speaking. Does that mean anything?
Also, CYS asked him why he was using honorifics, and he said, “I can’t do that?” Was he trying to distance himself from her, by doing that (at that moment)?

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Hi Ivoire
I caught a glimpse of your post even before I saw your email. OK, let's see...

1) Yes, Healer just grabbed the papers that happened to be on the desk outside the office and barged into the office, pretending that he had his notes with him.

2)The "This isn't it" was not part of the email. The subs are showing us what Healer was saying in the background, although what we are shown is the laptop screen. He was referring to the papers he brought in... that he did not know that those were the wrong papers. The email that popped up only showed the sender and not the message.

3) Moon Ho was giving an excuse/reason for why he had YS protected by Healer. He said that he needed her to front the stories instead of him (he said he wanted another news outlet and so bought Someday News which was not associated with him), to take the bullets/be the shield when the stories raised protests. He had to keep her safe so that she could be his shield. This hurt/upset her.

4) LOL! I do not know for sure .... maybe toilet humor? Min Ja was saying you're talking crap/acting like crap which she put into words literally? LOL! Yes I love that look in his eyes and that smile.

5) Yes realizing that Myung Hee knew his dad and Teacher's reveal that Myung Hee was the girl in the photo brought back memories of when he was abandoned. Also it may have made it clear that much was hidden from him by Teacher who had also abandoned him. The trauma of being a child of a father who had committed suicide and of a mother who had left him and remarried made him want to disappear from public view so that he would not have to face pity, taunts etc. He was definitely rattled/upset and it was shown in his depressed low voice.

6) I have to check back... but I believe when Bong Soo first met YS, she was the one who told him to just relax as her hoobae, and I think that meant they could just use panmal (informal speech) instead of chundemal (standard polite) forms of speaking.

In his upset state of mind, he might have been distancing himself or just that he felt distanced from her emotionally, and so used chundemal instead, probably by accident. YS noted this and brought it up so he realised that he was sounding too stiff all of a sudden and went back to panmal.

Hope that makes sense! :) Catch you when you can post again!

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@ GB,
Your answers totally helped, thank you so much!!!! I will be back later, to comment on your post and on other beanies' posts. I love how you get dramas, and I always appreciate that you help me make sense of things. With you, no question is ever stupid, which is great! (for people like me :-) ).

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Hi Ivoire
About 6) ... I have to correct myself!!!

I was checking backwards...took me so long... In Ep 3, Bong Soo starts working with YS and it's the other way around, she tells him to treat her as a sunbae with respect. In later episodes, he forgets and speaks to her in panmal and she asks him at different times, "Did you just speak to me in informal speech?"...one of those times he denied it but he did. So she was used to him speaking panmal and in Ep 8 when he suddenly became formal, she noticed it. :)

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Hi back GB~

And thank you for your prompt response, and for double checking on that. You are simply one of the best, when it comes to digging info and explaining things that happen in dramas.

Yeah, so I was a little surprised, when he asked her if he couldn't do that (speak formally to her). And it wasn't as much that he had said that, as much as it was what he looked like when he said it (his face, and the tone of his voice). JCW is doing a really good job at constantly showing the viewer where Healer might be at emotionally, at any given time, and I love that about his performance in this drama. What I want to make sure of is that I know or understand where Healer is at emotionally, at any given time, so I can follow the drama along better.

I also agree with your explanation (this time around), it totally makes sense. Thank you again! Did you go back and rewatch parts of ep.3 (to explain and correct yourself), or did you just go back and reread ep.3 recap? (I am just curious).

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@ Ivoire
Yes I had to re-watch in order to check and correct myself and it was more than just Ep 3... 4 and 5 too or rather I went backwards from 6 to 3 and got a bit confused again LOL! Nevermind just another excuse to watch again!

No, really, I have *not* watched every episodes from start to end, just one or two and only once again, I swear!!! :D

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Hey again, GB~

I am responding to this (your response to my 2nd batch of questions): 1.5.1 Growingbeautifully January 3rd, 2015 at 7:41 PM

1-OK!

2-WOW! I am glad you understood that (that lost me). Great job explaining, btw! I love that this drama pays attention to the details it introduces us to, b/c some of us do pay attention to as many things happening in one ep. as we possibly can. Sometimes, writers in dramas introduce us to things or side plots they don't bother to explain, or drop at some point (as you know, I am sure). And when they do that, it feels as though they think we (the audience), were not paying attention, or that we don't care. So far, PBS has been very consistent in the way he has been written (and JCW just nails him), and so have been all the other characters (been written in a consistent manner). I LOVE that PBS is fleshed out with so many details (and so are the other characters).

3-OK! Now I understand better.

4-See, this is why I love your explanations, GB! You make sense of things. Have you noticed how Healer looks at CYS? He has that longing in his eyes (often), when he looks at her. And there is also tenderness and gentleness (when Healer looks at CYS), which I want to believe JCW has, as a person. I could be wrong, but he seems to have those qualities himself (in real life).

5-Great explanation again, GB! And about this, " He was definitely rattled/upset and it was shown in his depressed low voice," I TOTALLY agree. His voice sounded totally depressed and low, I am glad you caught on, on that. Do you watch the drama with headphones on? I do, always (unless I am watching on KBS World TV). Healer started on KBS World, and it has been interesting to rewatch the early epis. I see things I had not seen before, and that is great. I love that (though I wish I had noticed those things the 1st time around).

6-I liked this, "In his upset state of mind, he might have been distancing himself or just that he felt distanced from her emotionally, and so used chundemal instead, probably by accident," which made sense to me. I also think that Healer might have wanted to distance himself from the (whole) world, after what he had just found out. He looked very upset, driving fast on his way to the riverbank. And when he explained why he didn't want attention and understanding, him being upset made sense. And when she called, he became formal with her.

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@ Ivoire

"Have you noticed how Healer looks at CYS? He has that longing in his eyes (often), when he looks at her. And there is also tenderness and gentleness (when Healer looks at CYS), which I want to believe JCW has, as a person."

Tenderness/gentleness - As far as I can see from his interviews, he does seem like that. We have not seen him in a bad mood or when angry or with a girl whom he admits liking etc :D so don't know about the longing looks ... as far as we can tell from times when he is more himself and not acting, he seems like a regular nice guy.

"Do you watch the drama with headphones on?"
Yes I do... which is the reason why when I lol in the relative silence, people (read family) think I'm mad.

For 6 - I think your explanation is better than mine LOL! He was hurting... he had driven off to be by himself and get away from the world.... he was not ready to answer the phone actually as he probably still wanted to be alone and so was not quite his Bong Soo self when he answered the phone. Yup, I think that's it!!! :)

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Thanks @GB that was really helpful!

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@ YOLO,

Hello there!!!! I am soooo glad that you loved my comment, and that you so enjoyed reading it. It makes it worth the time I take, to write those comments, and think through them. Thank you so much for your compliment, that really made my day :-) !!!!!

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i need the name of the song were playing in the last Scene (the kiss Scene)

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Javabeans,

Thank you, sincerely, for introducing me to this drama. If not for your recaps, I would have never given this drama genre a chance. And HOT DAMN, THE FEELS.

There were so many amazing moments in this episode, and not just between our main pairing (though I must say those are my favorite). That seen between Young-shin and her father's rehabilitated clients was adorable. Monday and Tuesday I am completely engrossed in this show. Wednesday through Sunday I'm re-watching episodes, re-reading recaps, and consuming anything else I can get my desperate little hands on. It's mayhem over here.

I hope the actors have even an inkling of how happy they have made me. GOD BLESS YOU, HEALER. Halle-fucking-lujah, Ji Chang-wook.

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"Halle-fucking-lujah, Ji Chang-wook"

This had me in stitches oh my goodness why

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HAHAHA same here! I laughed so much with that line

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Aren't we glad he walked away from Mr. Back, and took up Healer instead?
The script of Mr. Back turned out to be crap, n made no sense in the end. Whereas Healer as a role and a show is just all kinds of awesome!
God bless you, Ji Chang Wook!

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Oh yah ...all is well that ends well

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Yes thank you JB. I read the recaps and thought that it seemed like a fun series. I'm a sucker for super-heroes with alter-egos! I started watching episode 4 and ended up watching the back episodes as well as all the subsequent episodes up to ep 8. Now I'm bemoaning the fact that there are only 2 episodes per week!

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Oh my God! I know 'that' will come in this episode!
Squeeee!!!

*wait, let me scream in silence first*

*I'm back*

Been waiting for your recap and "bam" that last still is killing me!
Thank you!!

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A week later I'm still squeeing! Although I must admit I did thought they might troll us and "it" may not actually happen at all. But I am so glad it happened..

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This is me silently screaming.

This show is driving me crazy, literally. I have no words...yet. Just my hands typing random stuff as my mouth hangs open with "urrrrrrr...eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...ahhhhhhhhhhhhh"

Let me fangirl for a few minutes while I hold all my feels in and I will utter something coherent and worthy of this show in a little while.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one loosing it with This show...this OTP and especially JCW...

how can someone be this charismatic and this smoldering sexy....

Their chemistry is so palpable...it is beyond words...

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Can this drama make me more crazy? The elevator scene and also kiss scene just make me hysterical like autistic.. OMG.. the way Junghoo kiss Youngshin.. why so soft and romantic.. ><

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Not to mention the snow. I find it so much more romantic kissing in the snow ~ I don't know why. Always seen it in kdramas so I associate it with romance XD

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So fast! I wish I didn't have to depend so much on eng subs :( thanks for the recap, Java! I need more episodes TT_TT

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"I’m sorry, am I supposed to write comments after that?"

- Uh, yeah. This is me right now. I feel like I really want to discuss the drama in an in-depth way, but I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW. Because just thinking about that beautiful and romantic kiss (not to mention, the badass saving right before *swoon*) literally sends me into fits of happy spazzing. I'm sure there are many, many things I want to express about this drama, so many things I want to exclaim about and go crazy over, but my brain is just not operating . All I know is that this must be love.

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This is me too. I watched the raw-ep with 0 understanding of what was said as soon as I woke up this morning. Even without understanding the spoken words, I could easily tell the way the story was going.

The last 10mins fo Ep 8....holy schmoly! You could cut the tension in the air like a hot knife through butter! That kiss....my heart melted and i squealed like a teenage girl all over again.

Thanks JB for your wonderful recaps! Reading your 1st 4 recaps convinced me to start watching it, havent looked back since

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Thank you dramabeans!

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I MUST WATCH THIS EPISODE ASAP ?
I am totally enjoying the Healer ride, plus JCW is so incredibly easy on the eyes.
And is it just me or does he look like a mix of Changmin and Jaejoong. He reminds me of both lol.

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totally agree! always have to do a doubletake because he really resembles jj a lot!

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Yeah I thought that too! At first I thought LMH then JJ - now that I think about it, he looks in-between

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I thought I was the only one who noticed that! And here you are... *high fives*

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I actually see Lee Min Ho, Jaejoong and Im Siwan in him. I think my eyes is playing with me. Eye candies in one. How do I love thee JCW?

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I also agree abotu LMH, Ji Chang Wook reminds me of not only Jaejoong but also Lee Min Ho during City Hunter (before LMH got chubbier:D).

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I think so too lol!

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I came across a pic of JJ just now, and was thinking: "Hey, he looks a bit like Ji Chang Wook. Now my eyes are playing tricks on me, and I'm seeing JCW everywhere!"
Funny that I can't see the resemblance the other way around.

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I had this Young Shin moment when I happily commented on JCW's IG photo about him being Misaeng's fan... then I realized that it was him on the photo and not Gu Rae. And that terrifying moment when I could not erase the comment anymore. I hope and I bet he won't read that though. Ha.

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Hahaha that's the problem with instagram - there is no edit but nor a delete button!

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Yes JCW and JJ look similar. I too thought I was the only one who was not sure who was whom.

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'Cause you guys started talking about resemblances, i had one which was just under my tongue, and couldn't just keep it any longer:
Am I the only one who thinks Ji Chang Wook looks like Lee Min Ho? And his role in this drama is so much like LMH's City Hunter?

Though JCW doesn't look like LMH in city hunter but anyway I see a blowing away resemblance.

Could this be one of the reasons that PMY chose to play in this drama, 'cause it remembered of Kim Nana? A, and don't forget to mention that it was after City Hunter when LMH and PMY announced they were together.

Just saying, don't missunderstand. I am a fan PMY and I like her with JCW, though it's the first time when I see him. He's doing great btw.

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I'm sorry guys, didn't read all the comment above and now I can't edit the comment.

So I'm not the only one who sees JCW and LMH look alike!

I knew it!

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Oh wow looks like I'm not the only one thinking of the resemblance either...so I was right!

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Thank you javabeans for be wonderful recap, I have been refreshing the site all night waiting for your recap since the sub for ep 8 is behind. I did rewind and watch the raw kissing scene 50 times so you are not alone :)

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Fangirling JB is always fun. Thank you!

Im skipping the recap and diving straight to comment to avoid spoiler ... imagine that, me the ultimate spoiler queen..

Happy New Year all!

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Live recaps! Thanks JB!

And the subs are about 91% now, at Vik.i

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I've been waiting all day for those subs!!

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It's 100% Eng subbed at Viki now.

Also available at subscene.com. Search also for Hilleo.

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Thanks patinalee.

Yup, I finally got subs yesterday evening from subscene, but not every sentence is subbed this time. I will still have to wait for Dramacool or one of the other sites to confirm what I think was said. ;)

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"dude, couple sweaters!" Pfft! Thank you so much for this recap!

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“dude, couple sweaters!”

Ha ha... I missed the couple sweaters when watching the show, caught it only after reading JB's super fast recap.

And having JB so giddily silly about the show. Love her for loving the show to distraction, for her enjoyment is infectious, making the recaps fun reads as of itself.

Can't thank you enough.

Thanks again JB. :-D

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"...Young-shin and Jung-hoo (dude, couple sweaters!)" — Javabeans

One of the 1st things that stood out immediately in this episode to me.

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Thanks Javabeans - it's something I didn't even noticed until you pointed it out.

On Soompi I saw comments how other people have picked up that CYS and BS wore the same coat (the red/black one) one at separate times

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Thank you javabeans. What a wonderful episode and awesome recap. I also rewatched several scenes multiple times :) it has been a long time that a drama can give me these feelings.

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Same here, it's been an awful long time since a drama this good came along for me. Even YWCFTS did not excite me as much as everyone feels

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Thanks for the song. I looked up the lyrics (on YouTube, *of course*), and that song is pretty much a summary of oh-so-many Kdramas ^_^
I like it ^_^

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Wow, I totally didn't catch that the "Healer" stepping out of the room at the beginning of the episode was actually the dad, and not JH. I guess the casting team really did a good job finding someone with similar features to JCW so that the two really could pass for each other at a rough glance!

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I didn't notice this either until Javabeans pointed it out and pics of Soompi comparing the two. Dressed like that they really do look alike!

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Ohhh. This explains a lot - when I was watching I thought, wow JCW doesn't look like himself from this angle. Is it the glasses? It must be the glasses.
And then I didn't think anything more of it. Mystery solved!

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I just noticed this today as well!!!! I'm on my 3rd go-through up through 12 because 13 seems Sooooo far away LOL. It shocked me to realize I wasnt looking at JCW...and I was just so thrilled at the care and nuance taken. Just SUCH a well-done show!!!

Really great casting! Actually the dad guy reminds me more of JCW from his Bachelor's Veggie days- his looks are so drastically different these days. Anyway, both have smiles that light up a few city blocks.

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I loved how, as someone who could not verbally speak to or show his face to her, the only thing he could do... or rather.. he did the very one thing which answered all her questions (which Healer and Moon Ho both did not answer her on when she asked about the taking of her DNA) AND also dispelled her misunderstanding of his actions towards her, through that one tender kiss alone:

- that he was not her biological father;
- that he was not her biological brother; and
- that he did not do all these things for her merely on the instruction of his client (Moon Ho).

And this is why I loved how Healer's running narrative throughout the show was also beautifully intertwined with the rooftop scene. That for someone who did not care if anyone else misunderstood him, this is someone whom, for the first time, he does not want to misunderstand him, nor does he want her to forget him.

The writing of the show is so intricate and well-thought, it is just beautiful <3

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yes!!! loved that the kiss was more than just pure romance. it was great character development moment for jung-hoo. :)

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Agreed.

It's his first time falling in love right?

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@Yuppie
I totally 100% agree with your comments, it is so true that he doesn't want her to misunderstand him nor forget, because her caring and concern for him means soo much to him, he can't go back to the aloft don't need anyone person. He needs Young Shin and her love for him. He was saving and protecting her long before he was requested to do it, but she has no idea. Everything he does for her, is him being a man doing what he can for the woman he cares for,
I'm a big time fan now of Ji Chang Wook, swooning and squeeing and all giddy cozof the hot onscreen chemistry, just wow, awesome drama, fantastically amazingly gripping and makes me so emotionally invested in these characters. happy and smiling like a crazy person. :)

Thanks Javabeans
Wishing everyone a very Happy New Year.

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This. Nicely said. *thumbs up comment*

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one more thing I just recalled..

that kiss can perhaps take on just another 4th meaning:

- Healer thinking, "heck it's my birthday, I'm gonna give myself a birthday present!" -WALKS BACK SUAVELY AND KISS-

LOL.

and Secretary Oh, is he Moon Shik's / Elder's own private Healer or what?! hahahahaha.

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LOL. I love you for this.

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HAHAHA

Awesome comment

+1 for this :D

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right! At their first meet up on the rooftop, when CYS asked if he's her biological father or father and then he slowly lean closer and I was like.. JUST KISS HER!!! that's the best way to answer her LOL!

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Well said. That was also my very own sentiment. Been watching the whole 8 episodes for so many times already and i just can't get enough. <3<3<3

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Thanks for explaining this, hadn't thought of the meaning behind his actions as much. But this made a lot more sense.

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I really really secretly hope that YS saw PBS/Healer thru her hat... I would love to see the she knows/but he doesn't know she knows dynamic
Thanks Javabean...i have been waiting all day to read your thoughts.

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I agree! When I saw the scene I was thinking that if she didn't have her eyes closed, it should be VERY EASY to see through the hat. I've played with fabric like that before, and you can see through it pretty easily and get a clear picture. I'd also love to see some "she knows/he doesn't know she knows" dynamic going on, and her secretly protecting him in her own way.

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Could it be that it was not the hat but her hair that hinders her from seeing him. Just a thought. HEHEHE!

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I think she did see a shadow of a handsome young man thru the gaps of her knit hat. It shouldn't be too long when she puts 2 n 2 together to figure out who Healer is.
Anticipating!

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I think they did show a shadow that she was vaguely remembering at the beginning of ep9 when she was standing with her eyes closed...when JungSoo Spy shows up...?

I hope that's not too spoiler -y an episode early...

Im so in love with the well-crafted details of this show!!!!

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My thoughts exactly. She would have had to have her eyes closed or she'd be able to see him clearly enough. We will be able to tell from her reactions to Bong Sook in the next episode, whether or not she had her eyes opened or closed, after all hers is the most unmasked, open, natural character of the lot and her eyes will tell all.

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I noticed that YS started to take her hat off, but when PBS/Healer quickly turned away to hide his face, she stopped and pulled the hat back down over her face. Did she simply sense him moving away, or do you think she saw him and stopped to keep him from running away?

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@ Merce
I'd guess that to begin with her eyes were open and she naturally wanted to see properly so she was going to pull the hat off. She could probably have seen the silhouette of him turning away quickly and realised that if she took the hat off, he would disappear. :)

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@ Merce and @ GB~

I rewatched that scene, and I agree with @ Merce. She did start to take her hat off, and then, it looked like she realized something (like some of you said, that he turned around), or she thought of something (like, Healer would want to keep his privacy), and she then stopped, and left her hat over her eyes.

As @ Jomo said below, it made it more romantic then, that her behavior and her trust in him were rewarded in a kiss, leaving no doubt as to how he really felt about her. I SO LOVE that he hesitated, before kissing her. That whole scene was seriously my "Kyaa" moment.

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What does 'Kyaa' mean?

I feel that it was the decisive turn around, confident stride, slow turning up of the cap and the pause all together in that scene that gets me.

I think it's my kyaa moment too. *Sigh*

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Hello GB~ You are still around :-) PART 1:

RE: "Kyaa!" I don't know if you know who Oprah Winfrey is, and maybe you do. She used to have a show called The Oprah Show, in the US. She would talk about having a "light bulb" moment, when she would make a big realization. It was like when the light comes on the light bulb, and you have that moment, that second when things click for you, and you finally get it. Her viewers would always know what she meant, when she would use that expression.

So, I didn't watch all of Secret Garden, just some episodes. In it, I remember HJW (the actress) at least once, being excited and going "Kyaa!" I took it to mean that moment when you are so happy, so excited, so elated, you can't hold it inside. So you go, "Kyaa!" I now always say that I am super, duper happy or elated, or excited about something. Saying "Kyaa!" always brings me back to that moment when I saw HJW say that (aka her character), and how excited she looked (I really liked the way she said it then, and the pitch of her voice went up, when she said it).

So, "light bulb moment"and "Kyaa" are not related per se, except that for me, whenever I hear those expressions, I always KNOW what they mean for me, and how they feel for me, and when that moment happened, and why. I might not be able to explain them well, but I do know what I mean, and the feeling that comes over me, that leads me to say those expressions.

So that kiss scene, what happened before then (the rescue and how tense that was), Healer's narration (from the beginning of the ep.), which actually showed how much he had changed emotionally since ep.1, the fact that he hesitated for a few secs, as if he was wondering if it was OK for him to kiss her, if he had her permission, and then (maybe), him remembering how down she was, and how embarrassed she was (to the point of wanting to die, as she said), and him longing to touch her, kiss her (we saw him look at her lips in ep.7), be emotionally close to her, and reassure her that he does indeed truly care about her, he is falling for her, and he "sees her as a woman," (and he wants her to know that) was my "Kyaa" moment. As I said earlier, it was not just the kiss itself for me, it was how it was done, how it happened, and what it meant, for both. The journey that led them to that kiss (which started in ep.1).

I have tried to imagine what must have been going on in his head. The fact that he walked with assurance and confidence when he was leaving her, and the same confidence when he came back, AND the fact that once he was in front of her, he would become different, tender, reduced to someone who actually hesitates (he doesn't do that with his work), is not totally sure of what he is about to do, in front of the woman he is falling in love with, THAT just did me in. It could have been the 1st kiss for him, and for her.

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@ GB, PART 2:

I had asked in another recap if beanies thought he had dated before, considering that he loved staying away from people, and I don't think he would taken a woman to his place (dangerous for him, and his place is not very tidy and clean). He seemed to be very work oriented, and into sports (and he has to keep those martial arts skills sharp, so he must train a lot, for his parkours, etc...)

So following this logic, this could (also) be the 1st kiss for both, in this dramaverse (drama-universe), and remember that they are fated to be together? They knew each other and seemed to have liked each other (as playmates), when they were younger. Fate is (as we know), a strong Kdrama theme. And if it is Healer's 1st kiss, it would make sense (also) that he hesitated, before deciding to do it. I am being long-winded again, however do you now see why I call it my "Kyaa moment?" I could write a whole chapter about that scene :-) I hope my explanations helped.

I would also like to add that some beanies have made some comments or asked some questions, saying that those things were small details, that they probably did not matter. I don't see it that way. If we (the viewers) notice them, and think about them to the point that we are now (here) discussing them, means to me that they DO matter, as they are an integral part of the drama. If we can see it, and hear it, then it matters. Otherwise, it is acting as if the audience does not care or is not paying attention, that some in the audience do not want to be engaged with the drama. In theater, and in plays, they pay attention to everything, b/c my friends who do plays told me that they never know what we (the audience) will catch (with our eyes, and ears). So, if it is important on the stage, why shouldn't it be important on film?

That was why I LOVED the conversation you guys had about the rescue scene and its execution. I LOLed (thank you for that), but I also agree with some of what you guys said, and your discussion actually made think a lot, realizing that there were things I had not thought about.
So, RE: the kiss scene and its execution, I don't know if it was the result of SJN (the writer), and of the PD, and of JCW and of PMY, or the result of SJN and the PD's decisions (only) to have things done that way, but it worked, didn't it? We are still talking about it, and spazzing about it :-) So yeah, for me at least, details matter. I also see those nuances and details in the acting of everyone involved. I am rewatching ep.8 right now, and realizing that PMY is really nailing her character. I didn't find her to be as strong in CH, the last drama I saw her in (from beginning to end).

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@ Ivoire
Yes I'm still around!!! It's been a slow nothing to do work day so I might as well read and comment as sleep ..... *grunt*

Thanks so much for explaining 'Kyaa" and the rationale behind why that was a kyaa moment. Yes I know about Oprah but I only watched a couple of her shows.

First kiss? Yes very likely.

On the 4th page of this thread, 156.2.1 (Growingbeautifully January 4th, 2015 at 11:46 PM) I was thinking about the fact that as you mentioned before, Jung Hoo is lonely and isolated... so the first kiss thing is extremely probable.

The little details - we are such meticulous people LOL, you more than me, actually. I tend to run through the show so fast to catch the story I don't pause for the details. That's why I have to re-watch so much (really, that's the reason, it's not because I'm totally addicted or anything like that!!! :) )

There are details that are important as a hint or clue or foreshadowing of what may come. It is hard for us to know which details are meant as hints and which aren't. So,... it is natural that we will dissect all details that catch our attention LOL!

The 'trouble' taken to do this can be rewarding it is true. Which explorer will not want to make a first discovery in their treks? So we trek through our dramas, exploring nooks and crannies in the hope of making our discoveries too ... best of all if we can be the first to make that discovery, of course :) and get to share it with everyone.

I hope your computer does not give up or rather that you do not give up on it... hang in there and I'll catch you later! :)

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If I were her, I would have kept my eyes tight shut.
I woudn't want to see him, it would be too much too soon.

Since she has decided to trust him implicitly, she has to go along to his desire to hide his face from her.
It is even more romantic, then, that she is rewarded by this trust with a soft kiss. *sigh*

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Very well said...those are my exact thoughts...

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I would've kept mine shut too out of respect for him, especially when he kissed me

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Healer drama is so exciting. I m thrilled. The chemistry betwn the leads is what to say... wow. Wonderful drama thank u for makin me happy. Healer fightin!!

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I did not even catch the couple sweaters!! What a keen eye.

In other news, did anyone else scream at the kiss?

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I did! That kiss was just. Dunno how to explain...swoon-worthy!

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M0^[email protected]%@*(#*&^%$#!^&@!([email protected]!!!!

SERIOUSLY. THIS SHOW WILL BE THE DEATH OF ME.

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I actually shouted OMO, OMO! I watch way too many dramas...

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I felt that my brains were fried after watching this ep., so much so that I did 2 hours of yoga practice to calm down!

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@ KDaddict, I seriously LOVED your comment! Thank you for the laugh!!!!

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*Smiling at your comment* And somehow, I don't think you will die (yet). Otherwise, how else would you finish watching it, and finding out what happens? (the bad guys need to get their comeuppance, methinks). Let's not forget being able to squee over the future Kisses between Healer and CYS (b/c there will be more, right? Right?! :-) )

OH, and you DEFINITELY cannot die (yet)! What if there is a Liar Game, Season 2? You CAN'T miss that, right? :-)

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This comment was for hawoojinruinedme.

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hahah same here ^.^

Seems like you're also a fan of Liar Games? Ha Woojin was so hot!

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Nggghhhh. Ugwaaaa. Hngggggh.

I have been deduced to a weird noise-emitting gremlin because of this show. *brb spazzing*

Okay, omg. Been flinging myself all over this episode like a madwoman since last night as I watched it live, hugging my laptop and grinning from ear to ear. I've gone totally nuts. THIS. SHOW. *flails around* There are so many thing I love about this show but like many of our friends in here, I can't express all of them properly because those last ten minutes ARE JUST GWAAAAH.

JCW swooping in like freaking superman! *swoons* Then THAT KISS. Like a sweet little cherry on top of all my feels. Healer's ending 2014 with a blast!

JB you are fantastic! Thank you for the fast recaps and the hilarious comments.

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Sigh. Making too many typos. That's how cray-cray I am for Healer.

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Everyone is crazy thanks to this drama....I just only hope it's not too infectious or else what if it affects guys too?? Seems like only girls get it the worse.

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@ Omomo,
This is exactly what I meant by being a part of a community of Kdrama lovers. I so LOVE your reactions to this show. And your fangirling, LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!!!!! (By the way, it takes one, to know one :-) )
Please keep it up! Also, I would LOVE to see you *flail around* :-)

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Ivoirrreeee! I'm happy that someone finds my fangirling funny, because I'm not sure if I do. Honestly, this is becoming unhealthy for me. Hahaha.

Healeeer nggghh~

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@ Omomo,

Sorry for responding only now. I also responded to your other comment up above. I hope that you saw it, or that you will see them (both comments).

About unhealthy fangirling, is there such a thing as that, when it comes to Kdramas, seriously? :-) You know you are among friends here, right? So you are probably safe here. Now, about you fangirling at home, I don't know about that. Your neighbors might wonder what is going on, and your family (do you live with them?), hum...

In any case, thank you for sharing your fangirling with us :-) We understand :-) !!!!! P.S.: I loved this by the way, "Ivoirrreeee!" It made me feel like you were excited to see my comment to you. Where you? :-)

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Why yes, I'm always glad to hear from you! Reading your comments are a blast. :D Would you even believe me when I say that I missed reading your comments in ep 4/5? I was like "but where's Ivoire?" But I totally understand your reasons (as you stated in your earlier reply), so it's okay! :)

I haven't had so much fun participating in a discussion before. This is a first for me. Healer just coaxed me out of my lurker status. :D

Yeah I still do (live with my family, that is). My mom has been throwing me these weird looks lately, actually. Like she knows I'm onto something, by how I grin like a fool or silently squeal while I'm in front of my laptop. By unhealthy, what I meant was I've been spending an unhealthy amount of time fangirling over Healer that I tend to procrastinate everything else. Aigoo, I really am nuts.

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I got distracted by park min young's nose. it looks similar to lee jong suk. i guess they shared the same plastic surgeon.

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LOL.
Now you make me want to go and check it out.

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LOL now that you mentioned it, yeah it really does look similar haha