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The Producers: Episode 10

Practically everyone takes steps forward today, and while some hearts get bruised in the process, pain in the name of progress at least speaks of growth. The show is still playing Answer Me with its lovelines, but I’ve reached the point where I’ve grown attached to their individual trajectories more than their coupled ones, so as long as they’re happy, I’m onboard. And could it be that (gasp) happiness could even suggest not winning your crush’s heart? That said, this is a K-drama so I’m not making any bets just yet…

 
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EPISODE 10: “Understanding Previews”

Seung-chan interviews that there’s a saying that when people wish very earnestly for something, it can come true. He’d generally thought the opposite—that you can’t make somebody like you no matter how much you want it. But hearing Cindy sing, he had a change of heart: “If you wish for something, you must make an effort and express yourself. Then, that heart might reach them.”

With that, he runs off to prepare his confession, armed with talking teddy bear and lighted flower. He arrives on the scene just in time to see Joon-mo asking Ye-jin not to move out, and sags with disappointment.

Ye-jin sees Seung-chan standing there, and he awkwardly hides the bear behind his back as she asks if he has a reason for wanting to see her. Seung-chan holds the flower out to her, lying that he got it for free, and she’s touched that he thought of her. Joon-mo clocks Seung-chan’s motives more accurately, though he doesn’t say anything.

Seung-chan heads home feeling gloomy, and his long face worries his family that the sunbae Mom yelled at is making Seung-chan’s life difficult. Ha, I’m loving Mom’s anxiety, given how annoying her building patrol was earlier; this makes it all worth it.

Seung-chan plays the message he’d recorded into the stuffed bear, which says that Ye-jin is always asserting that she’s a tough woman, but he thinks her shell is a self-defense mechanism when she’s really soft-hearted and warm. He thinks her recent loneliness is because she’s longing for someone to understand her and be with her: “Someone who’ll like you freely, who likes to see you smile, who wants to be next to you. In your eyes, I may be young, lacking, and clumsy, but if you’re okay with me like this, if you’re okay with my feelings, I’d like to be at your side. Someone told me that my true feelings are easily spotted. But it seems that my feelings that are seen so easily by others aren’t seen by you.”

By the time Ye-jin and Joon-mo arrive home, the moment has dissipated and Joon-mo tries to treat his comments earlier casually. All he meant, he says, is that she should let her new apartment out for rent and stay here, since, you know, it wasn’t so bad living together. Urgh, you are so frustratingly avoidant. With a roundabout reply like that, of course Ye-jin thinks he just wants her around as his maid and cook.

Joon-mo’s so frustrated that she would think that of him that he sarcastically agrees, saying that yes, he just wants her to stay so he doesn’t have to hire a housekeeper. Garrrrrgh, why are you always saying the worst possible thing? With feelings soured on both ends, they head into their rooms feeling hurt.

Things are still strained the next day, and Ye-jin pointedly bypasses Joon-mo and calls Seung-chan out to lunch. Joon-mo holds him back, asking for a report that he clearly expects to still be incomplete. To the contrary, Seung-chan has done a super bang-up job, and Joon-mo has to admit grudgingly it’s a good job.

Seung-chan escapes to lunch, where he remains studiously quiet while Ye-jin asks for his thoughts on Joon-mo’s comments last night. To the documentary camera, Seung-chan interprets Joon-mo’s intentions accurately and wonders how Ye-jin could miss it, but adds, “At times like this, I think the fact that men and women talk about things differently… is fortunate.” Hee.

Ye-jin guesses that Seung-chan’s silence is because he doesn’t want to tell her that Joon-mo only likes her for her housework, and he doesn’t correct her.

Cindy’s manager oppa hesitantly broaches the subject of relenting to CEO Byun. According to a more senior manager, Cindy’s situation right now feels exactly like Yuna’s back in the day—and now, nobody knows where Yuna is or what she’s doing. The only rumors are negative ones.

Cindy doesn’t reply, but gets an update from her anti-fan chat room, and once again finds herself scoffing at their comments while participating in it. She even gets invited to an anti-fan meetup.

The mood is dire with the 1N2D team, with the pilot program Star Wars doing well and rumored to be their replacement. They decide to do a fresh pass on the editing, captioning, and music for their show, and Seung-chan’s name gets suggested to handle the preview. Joon-mo’s skeptical, and Seung-chan promises to do a good job while the team tosses out a whole string of instructions: It has to be fresh, exciting, emotional, hilarious, and memorable. All in thirty seconds.

The Exposition FD, on the other hand, warns that trying to shoehorn in everything will lead to ruin. He advises not going too crazy, since the sunbaes will fix the teaser anyway—they’re just keeping him busy with this assignment, seeing the maknae as just an errand boy. That stirs Seung-chan’s competitive spirit, and he vows to make a fresh, exciting, emotional, hilarious, memorable preview.

In the street, Hong-soon ducks into a doorway to avoid being spotted by the office manager, only to have her show up and corner him. He gulps as she mentions “that night’s events” and how he can’t tell people about it, noting that he has a habit of shooting off his mouth. Then she asks to see him tonight so they can “settle” what happened that night, and he’s both scared and excited at the thought.

When he gets back to the office, the pile of accidental photocopies is discovered by other staffers, who wonder at all the random body parts in the copies. The maknae Music Bank writer picks up a photocopy of a forearm and eyes Hong-soon questioningly, and he nervously shuffles off clutching his forearms to himself.

The 1N2D PDs huddle outside the editing room, marveling at Seung-chan’s dedication to his preview assignment, having camped out there all night. Joon-mo overrides his protests that it’s not polished yet (“Who do you think you are, Bong Joon-ho?”) and asks to see it, and what he sees has him shaking his head.

He says that Seung-chan might think his sunbaes will fix everything for him, but he intends to let Seung-chan’s work air exactly as he created it, and thus if the program fails, it’ll be his fault. (Joon-mo: “You know I don’t have any sense of responsibility, right?” Seung-chan: “Yes! I mean, n-no…”)

But Joon-mo also adds some valuable advice about a PD needing to love his subjects in order for things to come alive onscreen. He says he can’t see Cindy anywhere in the video, despite her being physically on the screen, because there’s no distinguishing her from the rest. He prods Seung-chan to find Cindy’s appeal, asking how anyone else is supposed to see them if he can’t.

HA, Cindy actually goes to her anti-fan meetup at a cafe, wearing a mask and a cap to disguise herself. The other members tell her she has nothing to be embarrassed about as an anti, and introduce themselves, led by singers Roy Kim and Jung Joon-young (lol) in cameo appearances.

Cindy asks why each of them became anti-fans, then says “sorry” and whips off the mask to face her aghast antis. She apologizes for refusing to take a photo with one and takes one now, while telling Roy that his precious Suzy stole a bunch of her CFs, not the other way around. Joon-young (a supposed law student) mumbles the defense that he used the cafe to relieve stress of studying.

Roy pleads for an autograph, aegyo-pouting when she snaps at him to get Suzy’s. Just then the last member of the group arrives… and it’s Manager Oppa, who trips over himself running away the second he sees Cindy there.

Cindy tells the group that they gathered today to discuss how to ruin Cindy, and asks what that is. Then she can avoid those things.

Seung-chan takes a fresh eye to his preview, finding the little moments that make Cindy appealing, whether it’s a moment of sadness alone in her tent or laughing in a game. He finds himself chuckling along as he watches, and Ye-jin happens by to see him. Suddenly a knowing glint comes into her eye, and she interviews that she’s particularly good at catching on when a person likes someone, taking credit for four marriages (“Two ended in divorce, but that’s another thing”). She laughs that it’s understandable for Seung-chan to like Cindy, but that it can’t lead anywhere.

She calls him up to the rooftop to toast his first preview and ease into the topic of his liking somebody. He’s startled that she knows, admitting that it’s been some time since it started. She sighs that he’s fallen into another one-sided crush, to which he declares that he won’t sit back this time and keep his feelings to himself. When she tries to warn him of the dangers of falling for someone he met at the station and could open himself up to a scandal, he boldly says that he’ll take care of that, too.

But his brow furrows when Ye-jin promises to help him, adding, “Does Cindy know you feel this way about her?” He tries to set her straight, but she assures him she won’t tell a soul and offers herself up for advice. It seems like he might try again, but he stops when she advises him not to make a clumsy confession too soon, and that it’s too early. People who are in a one-sided love can rush things, she says, but love requires a preview too—to hint to the other person of what’s coming, giving them a chance to prepare themselves how to respond. She points to her own rushed confession as example of failure, and Seung-chan asks what kind of preview she’d want to have.

Office Nazi waits at the appointed dinner spot for her date with Hong-soon, only to have him stand her up. She ends up eating and drinking alone (to a stream of Roy Kim and Jung Joon-young songs), while over at a different restaurant, Hong-soon confides in Joon-mo and swears him to secrecy. Joon-mo asks how it happened when he’d hated her so much, and Hong-soon explains that when she was out sick, he felt strangely empty not seeing her around, and he got his feelings all mixed up.

Joon-mo comes home and hears Ye-jin yelping from being bitten by a mosquito. He covers her with the blanket and insists on getting it for her—he kills one, but it’s bloodless and he’s sure the one that sucked her blood is still out there.

While she’s sitting under the cover, she tells him she’s decided to move. He wonders how she can mistake his meaning when they’ve spent so much time stuck together, and she sighs that that’s the problem—she started mixing him up, one day a friend and another day a man. And this is problem they can’t end while they remain stuck together, because they can get confused: “Is this because of disliking not being seen by someone so familiar and comfortable? Or is this liking someone as a man and as a woman? I want to know.”

Seung-chan works on his preview while mulling over Ye-jin’s answer to his question: Other people do things to make the heart pound, “But I prefer a preview full of honesty.”

As he reviews footage of Cindy, he starts seeing little things he hadn’t noticed before, like how she was always aware of him, watching out of the corner of her eye. And his eyes start to open as Ye-jin’s words narrate, “Amid a whole lot of flashing neon signs, discovering one quietly burning candle—that kind of feeling.”

In the morning, Ye-jin finds a smear of blood on the wall and smiles to see that Joon-mo got her mosquito after all.

Seung-chan spends another night working in the editing room, and by the next morning he’s bleary-eyed and preview-obsessed. Seeing the director walk by with CP Kim and Hong-soon in tow, Seung-chan imagines them in a melodramatic trailer, asking the eternal question of what to eat for lunch.

Ye-jin takes her team out for coffee, and has another frustrating encounter with her maknae writer’s racy wardrobe. First the writer wears a leather jacket in the heat because of the clothing complaint, so Ye-jin tells her it’s okay to take off the jacket… until the revealing clothing underneath has people gaping and she suggests maybe she put the jacket back on. Sigh, the bratty writer annoys the hell out of me but I’m really starting to rankle at how they’re dealing with her character. We know she has boobs, okay? Can you just give her a dress code or shut up about it?

Cindy reads over the 1N2D preview script and finds the dialogue strange and off-putting. Manager Oppa agrees, saying that it was written by that umbrella PD who seems to be good at nothing, and offers to demand a rewrite. But in that light, Cindy decides it’s not so bad and smiles to herself, agreeing to go with it.

They arrive at KBS to shoot the preview, and Seung-chan ushers them in. Oppa starts complaining about the script until Cindy calls him off, and then sends him off with an errand to fetch her a really hard-to-find tea. Seung-chan explains the purpose of the script, which has the idol cast members saying things that the team has said internally about their show’s future, and he feels the lines are best delivered by “our show’s most loved people.” She says that’s a nice comment, and he adds, “Because it’s true.”

In the recording studio, Cindy and two idol boys (Seungyoon and Jaemin) read Seung-chan’s dialogue, to the background of dramatic, edge-of-your-seat music:

“The rumors are chaotic! They say the pilot program is really strong. Rumors of our cancellation are back. We’re in danger of cancellation after only five weeks on air. The internet reaction is horrible—there isn’t any! Not even curses! We’ve been off the search lists for ages. But it’s still too soon to lose, we still have our 6.8% viewership. But what about the 93.2% who’re ignoring us? Will we just disappear lifelessly, or will we show one last show of fighting spirit? This real wild road variety show that hasn’t even begun yet, Season 5!… please watch us just once.”

Seung-chan gives them an enthusiastic thumbs-up, pleased with their performance. Seungyoon asks Cindy afterward if he can upload a selca he took with Cindy, and she balks that it makes her look bad. The boys asks for Seung-chan’s opinion, and he says that Cindy looks pretty because she’s a pretty person… buuuut looks a little less pretty than usual. He launches into an overanalytical explanation of what angle flatters Cindy best, prompting the reply, “Are you [photographer] Kim Joong-man?”

Then Cindy asks for another example of when she looks pretty, and the boys wonder, “Is it okay for us to be here?” He explains looking at her face all night long as he put together the preview, figuring out how to make her appeal shine through. The boys ask for their examples, only to have him answer that he didn’t look at them.

The boys’ managers pick them up, and as they wait for Manager Oppa, Seung-chan apologizes for what he said last time, now that he knows he’d misunderstood her in various ways. She smiles and says okay.

They run into Ye-jin in the lobby, who is still under the hilarious backwards misconception that Seung-chan likes Cindy, who doesn’t give him the time of day. She asks about her comments from the last Music Bank appearance referencing the guy with the umbrella, and when Cindy deflects, Ye-jin looks pityingly at Seung-chan, thinking there’s some other guy. Meanwhile, Oppa ONLY NOW realizes that Umbrella PD and Umbrella Man are the same guy, his eyes popping wide open in shock.

Then when Ye-jin hears about the cast members recording their own preview narration, she nods knowingly at Seung-chan and this “special concept” that she thinks he whipped up just to be with Cindy. And he tries to insist it really was just a concept, but Ye-jin’s already got that idea in her mind and says his feelings are written all over him.

He does manage to convince her that the woman he likes is someone else, though he hasn’t made his preview yet so he can’t tell her who it is. She wonders, “Why does not giving her a preview keep you from telling me?” But she completely misses the connection, and later Seung-chan interviews that for all her good traits, her lack of perception might be a flaw. As well as her insistence that she has very good perception. (Meanwhile, Ye-jin interviews that she still thinks it’s Cindy, sighing that it’s tiring to see Seung-chan go through this so obviously.)

As he drives, Manager Oppa brings up Cindy’s thank-you speech, saying a little tearfully that he thought she’d been thanking him all this time—that it made him feel appreciated and touched. But she meant that the man who was a metaphorical umbrella in the rain was the real umbrella PD, and he’s disappointed in her. But all it takes is one mention of his anti-fan cafe ID and he’s back to obedient roadie oppa.

Hong-soon tense up when Office Manager steps into the elevator with him, offering up a weak apology for being busy that day. She tells him that even rejection should come with the minimum courtesy of a text message, then leans waaaaay into him and breathes a sultry “Adios amigo” before leaving him feeling wistful in her wake.

Joon-mo, Ye-jin, and little bro sit down for their last breakfast living together in this house. Little bro is reluctant to move and makes one last bid to convince her otherwise, suggesting they rent out the new place and stay living here. Joon-mo chimes in that it’s what he suggested, but Ye-jin shuts them both down again.

Cindy shows up for an event, and stiffens to see that her dressing room also has her rookie hoobae’s name on it. The rookie, Jini, is already inside being made up and Cindy instructs Oppa to bring her a chair in front of the mirror. That spot is occupied, so she gives Jini’s chair a satisfying kick and sends her rolling away, and tells CEO Byun that her spot was taken, and now the rookie will have to have her makeup done twice since she’s going to cry the first one off.

In front of the cameras, though, Cindy is a sweet helpful unni as she directs Jini in poses. CEO Byun sees through it, of course, and decides she saw Cindy too lightly. God, if that was treating her lightly, I shudder to think what she’s planning now.

At the fansigning, Cindy’s fans rush past a pouty Jini to get Cindy’s autograph, and she says she attributes her rash of TV appearances to her CEO’s scheduling, half-joking that she might have to do ads for a skeezy loan shark. Her fans loudly protest, and she says she has to do whatever her CEO tells her to do because of her contract stipulations, and asks them not to hate her too much if she does those ads.

That’s when an ajusshi fan introduces himself as a lawyer and offers his free services if she should want to contest an unfair contract. The fans go wild and Cindy plays it off lightly while promising to contact him if such a need should arise.

As Ye-jin and Joon-mo take out the recycling that night, Seung-chan’s mother happens by and lights up to hear that Joon-mo is Seung-chan’s direct superior who lives across the way. Relieved that he wasn’t sleeping those nights out at a woman’s house, she greets him enthusiastically and invites them over for dinner with the family.

Seung-chan fidgets uneasily as his parents angle for praise and describe him using such words as “so smart” and “too perfect.” Awkwardness abounds, what with Mom worrying about starlets throwing themselves at Seung-chan to little sis enthusing about Star Wars.

Then they have to sit through family TV time, and Seung-chan’s promo airs. The response is one big wah-waaaaaah as his family wonders what the point of the preview is, and Dad puts Joon-mo on the spot to ask how well Seung-chan did.

The three PDs get in a few honest words (and laughs) about Seung-chan’s nosy family afterward in his room, but just as Seung-chan is saying that his father isn’t usually so forward, Dad bursts in and ropes Joon-mo into a game of chess. Ye-jin says that if she told Cindy about his family, it could really impede their relationship, and Seung-chan says exasperatedly that it’s not like that at all.

After the event, Cindy sits down with CEO Byun in the car (overriding an increasingly peevish Jini) to ask what happened to corrode their mutually beneficial relationship. She says she received documents demanding compensation for damages incurred when she disappeared for a few days. She consulted with her law student anti-fan, who pointed out that she was injured and in the hospital at the time, and it was CEO Byun who insisted she work.

CEO Byun concedes that Cindy’s done her research, and Cindy tells her not to blackmail her, because she’s not utterly without support: “We have ten months left. Please don’t ruin Cindy in that time. Mom. I’ll work hard at what you tell me to do, but I’m not so naive that I’ll do things do to ruin Cindy.”

CEO Byun says she can tell from her tension that Cindy’s got no confidence in what she’s saying. But Cindy just tells Jini to listen up, because she’ll be in this situation soon enough. And when Cindy exits the car, it’s CEO Byun who takes a deep, unsettled breath, while Jini looks spooked.

Ye-jin looks around Seung-chan’s room and recognizes the stuffed bear he had the other night, and accidentally presses its hand, setting off the recording. Only now does she put the pieces together.

Riding home, Cindy looks at herself in the mirror until recalling Seung-chan’s words about her being prettier when she isn’t doing that. She sets the glass down, while online, Roy and Joon-young join her fan cafe.

Upon returning to his room, Seung-chan immediately knows that Ye-jin heard the bear. She heads home in a daze, trying to process the information. And Office Manager, for all her bravado earlier today, finds herself teary-eyed in the privacy of her bedroom, while Hong-soon looks at the photocopier with a fond smile.

Today’s lesson: “Understanding Previews: In any case, a preview is for the benefit of the main event.”

Ye-jin calls Seung-chan out to the playground in front of their building, sitting on the swings as she starts to explain about hearing his confession recording. He says he already guessed, and she chatters a bit about how it was so surprising and how she never guessed.

Seung-chan asks whether that was his unintentional preview, and when she asks what he means, he says, “For the first time in my life, using all my strength to muster the courage to confess—that kind of preview.”

With that, he grabs her swing chain and pulls her in for a kiss.

 
EPILOGUE

While under the bedcover, Ye-jin says her bit about spending too much time with Joon-mo that her feelings got confused. A while later, after he’s caught the mosquito and she’s asleep, Joon-mo tells her, “I know that too, that we’ve been together too long. And that saying this is like gambling our 25-year-long friendship. But what can I do? I feel more and more uneasy. If I leave things alone, it feels like something will erupt.”

 
COMMENTS

I don’t even know what to make of that epilogue. You’re… going to confess without confessing? Where does that leave you, Joon-mo? He’s made progress in the past two episodes in that he’s at least trying to talk to Ye-jin—I have no hate for someone who’s bad at conveying their feelings if they’re making an effort—but he’s so frustratingly passive, and it drives me nuts. N-U-T-S. He reminds me of Garbage Oppa of Answer Me 1994 in that I love the actor, love the portrayal, and understand the character’s dilemma on a logical level. It’s not that Joon-mo’s fears are unfounded, or that it’s unreasonable for him to want to cling to a valuable friendship rather than lose it.

It’s just that he’s going about this in a mopey, passive way and he doesn’t see that if he can’t be honest, he’s going to risk losing Ye-jin anyway, regardless of whether he wants to take their relationship to a romantic level. He essentially acknowledges that in the epilogue by feeling that something big is about to burst, which I’m hoping is at least a sign that he’ll do something very soon. It really had better, inasmuch as we have two episodes left and if he doesn’t get moving, this will turn into a story of The Romance That Never Was. Frankly, for his sake I hope it’s sooner, because I never find it satisfying when romantic feelings are confirmed at the very last minute—we need time to enjoy the aftermath a bit and come to terms with it, and you deny the audience that satisfaction if you draw it out too long.

That aside, I was really proud of our younger two this episode, Seung-chan for realizing that he wants Ye-jin’s love enough to try, and Cindy for taking her future into her hands. Seung-chan wasn’t wrong for thinking initially that you can’t win love through effort, but he’s also not wrong for looking at it from a different approach and putting more thought into how he handled his confession. Or, to look at it in a different way, it’s the difference between seeing his feelings solely from his perspective (choosing to pine in solitude and hope you’re noticed) and seeing them from the other person’s—by preparing them, easing the expectation, giving them a chance to see what you’re asking (even if subconsciously) instead of thrusting it upon them out of the blue.

I’ll admit to having hoped for a Cindy romance with Seung-chan, mostly because in dramas I tend to root for the heroines to have their long-term crushes realized. I think that’s sort of an unspoken rule of most dramas—when the feelings and romantic outcome are unclear, it’s often the heroine who wins her love, rather than the hero. Which is why I also rooted early on for Ye-jin to resolve happily with Joon-mo—not that I think he earned his happiness, but for her sake.

But now, I find her story of finding her true self and paving her own way in her career to be more compelling, and more powerful. I find it difficult to like everything she does—I can’t write off every rudeness as a self-defense mechanism, for instance—but by and large, I find her incredibly sympathetic, and applaud every little victory she scores. It’s all the more gratifying because we know exactly what kind of consequences await her if she fails, and that threat still isn’t enough to cow her into submission. She’s got to be terrified, but she uses the past knowledge to arm herself rather than trap her by the ankle (the way, for instance, Yuna’s case has made Joon-mo responsibility-shy and actually changed his approach to work).

Of course, that strength didn’t come out of nowhere, and I liked that she cited having support as one of the reasons CEO Byun shouldn’t see her too lightly. My favorite parts of the drama have always been when the four main characters are together, learning from each other in small ways—and to be fair to Joon-mo, whom I like despite being aggravated by, I liked his advice to Seung-chan in the editing room about really seeing your subject. In many ways Joon-mo gives Cindy more credit than Seung-chan, and I’m glad that Cindy got a heartfelt apology from Seung-chan for misjudging her sincerity. It’s a bit of a cliche, but true for a reason, that sincerity comes through and can move hearts—even turning antifans into vocal supporters (and handy-dandy legal counsel).

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Dear Beanies, has this show reconnected with its Mockumental roots?. Thanks for your opinions.

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This is just a standard trendy drama at this point imo. Everything goes back to the love lines; there's nothing inherently self-aware or satirical about it; and the directing has become less and less ambitious as far as genre blending is concerned (not that it was great to begin with). I wouldn't expect much on that front.

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Dear Juniper (or any other Beanie), is it a good watch?, I have been over the fence about this one, since usually shows or movies about the Showbusiness are usually well made, since it is the medium that Producers, Writers and Actors know the best, but I have the nagging feeling that I must wait for the series to wrap-up.

This is a by-product of the letdown I had with Warm & Cozy, which at this point am following just to see how it ends and because the recaps and the Beanies's comments are just wonderful.

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I think that depends on your tastes. Are trendies your thing? It's definitely better than Warm and Cozy, and as far as trendies go, it's okay. I wouldn't call it good, per se--especially since it aspired to be something a little more and failed so completely that its mediocrity offends me more than usual (I'm a diehard fan of mockumentaries, so it irritates in principle more than anything). But again, it seems to have a very active following on this site and the recaps are mostly positive, so I might not be the best person to listen to. I'm kind of a picky crank and trendies are not really my thing.

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As a romcom I think it's great - it's like it stole all the mojo that Hong sisters dramas usually have, hence Warm & Cozy looking so lukewarm in comparison to this. Unlike W&C, I actually feel interested in the character's storylines and can get why they behave the way they do even if they're frustrating (seriously, give me Ra Joon-mo over Baek Gun-woo ANY day).

but if you were expecting anything different from that, this is not your cup of tea.

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Seriously, what's up with the Hong sisters this time? I mean--blah second leads, haphazard structure, a crappy third act, you'd expect all those things from them. But it was so easy to forgive in the past because they were so funny--who can forget the insane wordplay in Greatest Love, for instance, or the cracktastic shoujo realness of You're Beautiful? But this one...it's got nuthin'.

Sorry, off topic.

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@juniper - I know! It's not an OTP/actor problem because Yoo Yeon-seok and Kang Sora are both selling their performances hard and have good chemistry......

but where previous Hong sisters scripts exploited the lead couples' chemistry and drew on their talents to the fullest (notably Master's Sun - god, that was just one drama ago for them!), W&C is just refusing to rev up into that second gear. It's not terrible and I enjoy it in a comfortable way (as in, I'm not on tenterhooks waiting for the next episode, unlike the way we were with Master's Sun), but there is SO MUCH wastage of potential there.....

I think what Producer is doing better at, despite both dramas having male leads who will not realise their feelings/spit it out, is keeping the surrounding characters interesting enough to fill out the rest of the story. The love lines may form the backbone of it but at least the evolving relationships between characters (notably Ye-jin and Cindy) are about more than who loves whom.

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@Pogo. Yeah! I also felt that however messily they executed the kidnapping thing and the ghost plotlines, they mined the situation for comedy and romantic angst a lot more successfully in the Master's Sun (plus the whole thing was a spoof of the traditional Candy narrative, which was nice). I was really shocked when the first episode of W & C came out and I was cringing at some of the jokes and references. It just feels like they're not trying at all...

There are two things I feel I can reasonably expect out of a Hong sisters drama: 1) a good sense of humor, and 2) OTP fanservice. W & C isn't working out on either end for me. It doesn't get much better than So Ji-sub/Gong Hyo-jin, but I agree that Kang So-ra and Yoo Yeon-seok had decent potential...

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@juniper - you said it, the previous Hong sisters dramas all had a spark and vitality that is totally missing in Warm & Cozy.

Or not so much missing, as being stifled by lazy writing and bad direction.

seriously, the PD on this one just lacks the finesse to really make a scene sing....there's something so outdated about the look and treatment of the way it's shot. And yes, I know he was the PD for Best Love too - I didn't like his directorial eye there either, but at least the sisters made up for it by bringing the funny. This really makes me miss PD Jin Hyuk of Master's Sun and the way he filmed scenes, he is particularly fantastic at milking OTPs for chemistry if there's anything there to milk.

And he was also a master at lingering on small details in a way that heightened the atmosphere of romance. Master's Sun is one of imo only two Hong sisters dramas where the chemistry between the OTP actually flared into sexy, and full credit must go to So Ji-sub and Gong Hyo-jin for creating that sparkage and the Hong sisters for giving them the space to spin it out in their performances, but also to PD Jin Hyuk for exploiting it. I REALLY wish he was doing W&C too, he'd have at least milked Yoo Yeon-seok and Kang Sora's chemistry for everything it was worth.

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P.S. my comment above does NOT mean the Hong sisters are off the hook for what they've made of W&C so far, I'm just saying it's a compound of lazy writing and bad direction that are failing to really bring out the potential of two promising young talents with good chemistry, who are capable of much, much better than even their pretty good performances in this drama (see: most of their filmographies, especially 2013-14).

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@Pogo. Completely agree about the PD. It just feels like the whole thing is being phoned in. I don't remember much of the directing from Greatest Love (just the manic soundtrack lol), but he was responsible for some of the better parts of Queen Seon Deok, directing wise. Either he's sluffing off big time or his skills have depreciated over the years.

Agree that Master's Sun was the most successful at elevating its romance above G rated bubblegum. It did help imo that the characters felt a tiny bit more grounded and less manic and/or stupid than normal (I say this with full fondness for their craziest creations like Dokko Jin, but let's face it--they really don't write sexy characters). This time, for instance, Geon-woo feels like a giant manchild with infantile EQ, still nursing a grade school crush. It's a little hard to take him seriously as a man.

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@juniper - yeah, good point about Master's Sun having an OTP who felt like sorta-mature individuals, even if So Ji-sub did have his own petty manchild moments. And immaturity is practically a hallmark of Hong Sisters male leads, so it's not as if Gun-woo is a departure from tradition that way - the real problem is that the story is delaying his growth or making it go one-step-forward-two-steps back sometimes.

I actually enjoy the not-too-bright manchild aspect of it, especially contrasted against Jung-joo who feels far more like a real person, but in order for the chemistry to really heat up, you have to let the hero mature! Even YYS can't fight that aspect of the script. Sometimes I wonder if Kim Woo-bin (the original choice to play Gun-woo) could have brought the sexy to this role, because he's done it with so many of his other roles, most notably Heirs. I actually think he could have done it here despite the script, but on the other hand I'm glad he is clear away from this. Though I would like to see him with Kang Sora sometime.

(and of course, there is the caveat that I'm excluding Big from all talk about previous Hong sisters dramas being good at things, because even at its draggy, stifled worst, W&C isn't as much of an utter waste of time as that. I'll take the manchild hero over the kid-in-a-man's-body one, any day!).

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@Pogo. I have a really hard time seeing Kim Woo-bin doing manchild but who knows haha. The fact that I even remotely kinda sorta rooted his turd of a character in Heirs is a testament to his charisma, though. But as we've been saying, the problem ultimately is not the actors...it's the script and the directing.

And lol yeah So Ji-sub's character was a bit immature in that drama--but on the scale of Hong Sisters leads he was practically a genius. Or maybe I was too busy staring at his face to clock his behavior too much haha...

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@Pogo. PS. Big? I refuse to acknowledge such a drama even existed. (but thank god W & C has not sunk that far)

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@juniper - oh yeah, SJS in Master's Sun was practically a model adult in many ways - he actually works for a living and spends quite a bit of screen time at it/focused on work-related stuff (much more than the usual screen chaebols, actually). And his entire aura and demeanour was that of a grown man, not a boy.

and yeah, whatever's happening in W&C is not the fault of either lead, especially not YYS - they're doing really well with what they've been given and even despite it, which is practically heroic. It's just a shame that this drama, which could have really cemented their status in a way that is worthy of their talents, isn't living up to them.

(I've seen Kim Woo-bin do dorky in Vampire Idol, so from there to manchild is not a huge leap. Unlike several people in the W&C threads, I think he could have done it but I'm glad he doesn't have to be stuck in this drama. And I'm really rooting for Kang Sora to get a better project next time, this may not be the success she deserves but at least she and YYS are sorta established in lead territory now......)

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Do you mind if I jump into this conversation? Just want to say how much I thourougly agree with everything the two of you have said!
I have to say this though, I think in the past we've forgiven Hong Sister dramas for all their flaws partly because their drama concept was unique enough to draw us in (in addition to all the reasons you listed).
Ex:
1. Leading lady sees ghosts that only disappear when she touches Leading Man.
2. Leading Lady is former pop star w/ ruined reputation and Leading Man is the nation's most loved star.
3. I mean Nine Tailed Fox - leading lady is a...you get where I'm going.

All of the chemistry, the wordplay, the acting, and direction along with the crazy concept usually glossed over the typical rom com issues we'd have with them. But W&C doesn't really have any of that neither does it have any secondary leads (I love the Mayor but he was never a viable option for our heroine :( ) or plots that can hold your interest outside of the main plot which is so incredibly weak I yawn just thinking about it.

I'm basically watching for the YYS and Kang Sora chemistry even though I'm so disappointed in their characters. They're both good actors but like this story is so sparse there's really nothing they can build on.

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I barely see any mockumentary in the show now. It's a straight up rom-com that's in it's serious phase. Doing the interview is the only thing that got left in, maybe just out of respect for the original concept.

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I think if people look at it for what it is now (a romcom that used the KBS/mockumentary thing as a framing device and setting) rather than what they expect it to be/what it was initially advertised as several episodes ago (ground-breaking hybrid mockumentary), it's easier to appreciate.

Because as a romcom and a story of these characters, it's great - it has all the zip and energy that a romcom SHOULD have, the acting is absolutely on point (even IU, the rookie of the lot, is doing fantastically as Cindy, and the supporting characters are well cast too), and chemistry in spades all four ways.

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Hi! Just off topic here, but does anyone know any good mockumentary kdramas (or any shows of that matter)? Really enjoyed the first episode of producers and was sad that the mockumentary parts kinda got lost in the subsequent episodes T^T
Thanks~

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Sorry, I don't know of any mockumentary KDramas, but there are tons of great western ones. Let's see, there's The Office, both versions (the British one is probably better but the American Office comes into its own around season 2); The Thick of It (a brilliant mockumentary/black comedy about a British ministry and the PM's top spin master--though I have to warn you because this is a Kdrama site and I don't know what you're okay with, it is very very sweary); Veep, which is about the American Vice Presidency, by the same guy who made The Thick of It; and then there are shows like Parks and Recreation, which are I've never seen but have been told are okay. I think the greatest mockumentary of all time has to be This is Spinal Tap, though (if there is such a thing haha). It's a movie that's about this fatuous rock critic following around and filming his favorite hair metal band from childhood, Spinal Tap. They're over the hill and predictably quite dim, so the movie's hilarious, but it also sheds light on some of the weirder aspects of life on the road, and pokes fun at the peculiar relationship between bands and the press, bands and their fans, and how the members themselves have been lost in perpetual adolescence, stuck in their childhood gang.

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Thanks alot! I'll check them out ^^

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am I the only one that's getting irritated with BSC especially with this ending?

Throughout the course of the last 6 episodes, I always feel like Cindy is getting her heart broken after broken to the point where I want to just see her move on from BSC. Episode 9 especially felt miserable now after her speech to him (since he was just as oblivious as TYJ until this ep)

There's only 2 episodes left, I really can't see the Umbrella Couple ship at all, nor if they even try to force it at this point, it'll just look weird as hell. Those PDs (The actual shows) can't be thinking to put Cindy and BSC together by having a build up on Episode 11 from him most likely getting rejected from TYJ at the beginning of Episode 11 will he after all this time.

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I don't get people who are irritated with Seung-chan because Cindy gets her heart broken. It is Cindy's choice who she likes and no one should be held responsible for her feelings other than herself. Seung-chan initially didn't believe she was sincere so he told her so. Now he realizes how wrong he was and apologized earnestly for his mistake. He understands he wronged her and didn't run away from that confrontation.

But her heart is hers alone and he has no responsibility nor accountability on it. He rejected her and she even realized he likes someone else. So even if Cindy is pitiful, that's not Seung-chan's fault whatsoever. Its the exact case with Ye-jin. If she rejects Seung-chan, it wouldn't make sense to call her irritating because she doesn't reciprocate his feelings.

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Well, for me I am one of the people who are irritated by Baek Seungchan. However, it's not for the reason that he didn't reciprocate Cindy's feelings because I don't really care for the lovelines at all. It's more like I'm annoyed with the character itself. lol. He was cute in the beginning but now this puppy act is just going too far that I feel like he's not acting his age at all. lmao. but at least he kinda man up in this episode. But still, not into his character at all.

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Well thats a completely different story lol. Each character appeals to different types of people so no arguments there. I think Seung-chan is the most endearing and refreshing one because rarely have I seen a character in dramaland so honest and frank in how he feels and what he does. Cindy, on the other hand, I don't love a whole lot because her sob story was a such a manufactured bore. Now she's finally finding herself so she's gotten better at least, but her rudeness still rubs me the wrong way. But yep, this is definitely a question of what kind of character appeals to a certain viewer.

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"..this is definitely a question of what kind of character appeals to a certain viewer". That, Plus how different viewers interpret what they see on screen. In reading comments, not just on this thread, sometimes it seems like ppl are not watching the same show.
You watch sthg and you see what u see; she watches the same sthg happening or being said, and can totally take it to mean sthg else. So very often, we are reacting what we see in our mind's eye.

Take Cindy's rudeness, for instance: In this week's eps, I often see her wanting to be sincere about sthg, but she sees that the other person doesn't get it, isn't receptive, so immediately, she turns on her rude persona, to prevent any embarrassment or hurt.

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So agree with Mandy. Seung Chan never gave hope to Cindy or led her on.

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I'm actually more frustrated with how BSC continues to lead Cindy on despite clearly having no intention of reciprocating her feelings. Yes, the apology was a nice thing to do, but that's the problem. It will only cause more misunderstandings with Cindy so did he really have to do it, especially given how it was still pretty vague whether it meant he had no romantic feelings for Cindy. I just feel that his selfish need to continue being the 'good guy' is preventing everyone from moving on whereas if he was more mature about things, he'd understand that he has to take some responsibility on himself, whether it's entirely his fault or not.

RJM on the other hand lies in the other extreme in that he personally shoulders too much responsibility for what has gone on before such that he too is unable to move on.

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Firstly, I don't think Seung-chan has ever been vague about how he feels regarding anything romantic for Cindy. She even knows that he likes Ye-jin, something she asked him previously.

I don't see his apology as a need to being the 'good guy' at all. His apology was due to his guilt for having doubted her and him knowing she got hurt by his words. That's no being selfish, that's being considerate and wanting her to know her sincerity got through him. She told him in the rain that she hopes she gets caught lying. He's letting her know that he believes what she told him so she can feel better - which was exactly the case. I don't think Cindy is being led on, something the character realizes herself knowing he likes someone else.

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You are right. I felt like he was leading her on too. Seriously, there was no need to tell her the angle that she looks at her best. That was totally unnecessary and it made Cindy wonder if he was starting to have feelings for her.

Him apologising, was something I wanted so bad. He needed to acknowledge Cindy's love and sincerity.So now, although, I really want the umbrella couple to end up together, if bsc ends up with yejin, I dont mind at all because I got what I wanted.

Somehow,i think the situation where bsc knows how cindy feels about him and are ignoring it is similar to what rjm did to yejin.

We have two more episodes to go, and I am really looking forward to Cindy's growth. That is like the only that thing that got me obsessed with the drama.

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I thought Seung Chan had made it clear that when he said Cindy was beautiful if looked at from certain angles he was just saying as a producer's point of view, being analytical and all. He clearly said his statement didn't have other underlying meaning. (this in response to the teasing from the other male 2d1n cast members)

And Cindy also responded that she understood what Seung Chan was saying.

Both of them are clear about where their relationship stands. Cindy accepted that her feelings for Seung Chan is one-sided.

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Yes, you r right. But imo, since he knows that she had/ has feelings for him, saying those things may cause her to misunderstand his real motive. So in a way he is leading her on without having that intention at all. And as I said before, the analytical explanations weren't necessary at all. Well his character is suppose to be dense anyway. And there wasn't any part in the drama that shows cindy gave up on seung chan or was there? (and i missed it? o.o)

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BSC flirts Cindy much unintentionally even though he is not consciously to do this , it can be easily feel, not just by Cindy, but by most of the viewers, too many romantic scenes happened from them.

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That giggly-smile-smirk thing had begun to the annoy the sh*t of of me. I didn't care for how he was treating Cindy, but it was his self-righteous speech-fying to her while rejecting her that was the problem for me not that he didn't like her.
You're right about him manning up, too. When he got all worked up talking to the other junior PD about how great he was going to make the preview is the first time I've actually liked him in awhile.

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I was at first too but it got irritating and the scenes and screenplay got irritating as well as it did not give more insight to the characters but just repeatedly showed what we already know....

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Where is the "like" button? I will give you 100 of them :).
Totally agree with you.

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Sorry, the previous comment is to Mandy.
BSC is the most consistent char. I've ever seen, honest, true to his heart and mind.

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You can cause harm to another person even if you are showing good traits like being considerate and a good guy. It's hard to explain unless you have been in a one sided love yourself. Sometimes letting someone down easy is the worst thing you can do because you give them that sliver of hope. Every compliment, every contact fans the flames and he should at least be aware of that.

The problem with BSC is, he is just portrayed as too unrealistically innocent. Like he never experienced high school or college life. Was he home schooled? Like Ye Jin said, he is a good looking guy. Hasn't any girl noticed him in high school or college?

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When it comes to Seung-chan's unusual and apparent lack of experience with girls, let's not forget that he was raised in a devout Christian household.........it's not unusual for people from such families (in any country, not just Korea) to abstain from romance etc. unless they're serious about it - and Seung-chan does seem the rather one-track type when it comes to girls.

I would bet money on the fact that when Cindy kissed him, it was probably his first time ever. And knowing his background, that is no surprise.

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You're right. It reminds me of what JM said earlier: good intent doesn't always yield good results. SC may think what he's doing is right and good but where Cindy is concerned, I think he's just making her fall deeper and more confused about her feelings.

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BSC never like Cindy that way. As a viewer, he made it totally clear. It's just that she wasn't ready to hear his reponse.

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She did hear his response and respected it, and she's spent the past two episodes trying to put a little more distance between them to settle her feelings. Which is why people are challenging Seung-chan's actions on her behalf, because his actions and dialogue (most "lovable" cast members, "prettiest when" etc.) this episode would have been confusing for pretty much anyone else. The fact that Cindy doesn't seem confused by them and seems to take them in the right spirit as Seung-chan being Seung-chan, is because it feeds into her own insecurity. She doesn't believe there's anything about her worth loving, so she doesn't get 'confused' even when his actions/words are confusing. Apart from the first time when she kissed him and said she didn't want to hear his response right at that moment, she hasn't shown any further romantic expectations of him. She seems resigned to the fact that her love is unrequited, which ties in with the fact that she doesn't think she deserves to be loved anyway. Which is why just because she wasn't confused doesn't mean he wasn't confusing.

Also, you can be confusing someone's feelings while making it perfectly clear to them that you have no interest in them, and even that you're madly in love with someone else. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Cf: Warm and Cozy.

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To me the reason Cindy takes his words in the right spirit isn't because she somehow feels she isn't worth loving or whatever else. Its because she now knows how Seung-chan is, how he acts around people and what he means when he says things. His words should be taken at face value which is something she learned, and something I extremely admire in her character. She understands the kind of person he is and loves him for it instead of being in love with an image in her mind. His words might be 'confusing' for some girls, but Seung-chan very clearly said it as a PD of her show and she knows that. I think making her pitiful to that extent is unfair on her character. She's a strong girl and there's nothing in her attitude that says she believes she isn't worthy of love.

Also, this is not Warm and Cozy and Seung-chan is not Gun-woo. Gun-woo is an insane character (whom I adore to pieces, as I've stated in the recaps). He is dishonest with thimself and is extremely selfish to a point where he allows Jung-joo to get hurt just so he would feel good about himself. Seung-chan is nothing of that sort. He made it very clear that he doesn't see Cindy in a romantic light and he meant it which shows in the way he looks at her and acts around her.

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I don't think her being 'strong' is contingent on her believing she's worthy of love, or that if she fears she isn't, she becomes any less strong. She's showed herself to be extremely strong and tenacious, despite her fears and insecurities in that regard. I'm not victimizing her, I bought it up because it's something she explicitly stated herself just an episode or so ago, and I find it hard to believe that she's completely overcome that opinion of herself- hardened over years- in the space of an episode. She's openly admitted, in a moment of hurt vulnerability, that she doesn't love herself, that she doesn't see how anyone will ever love her, that she doesn't believe anyone will ever really see her or her sincerity, that she believes she must be rude and prickly because those are the words she hears the most, and that was what I included in my interpretation.

I completely agree that Cindy understands Seung-chan well enough to be able to read his actions, which may otherwise be confusing for someone else. But that doesn't mean it isn't compounded by who she is, and how she feels about herself. Most people going through an unrequited love are willing to pick on any sliver of hope, to let themselves be confused, even when there is no scope for it. That's how human nature works, imo, it's why there is always so much miscommunication, so much confusion, in all love stories, because people want to let themselves be fooled. Because that's better than letting go of the hope.

I love Geun-woo as well! (Although he does drive me completely crazy). It wasn't a direct comparison, I meant that even making yourself absolutely clear doesn't preclude confusion. The fact that so many people seem to believe that Seung-chan's actions may have been confusing for Cindy means that they themselves see those actions as confusing. If I liked a guy, confessed, and was rejected and tried to avoid him a little, and he then called me (even if it was genuinely for work) and told me he'd spent the evening looking at my face and figured out when I'm the prettiest, and that I was the most lovable in some regard, then, if I felt something for him, I would want to be confused, even he was like Seung-chan. I would want to read more into it, since it's open to interpretation, and it's definitely a favorable interpretation. When you're susceptible to being confused, it's easy to be. So the fact that Cindy isn't, runs deeper than just how well she understands Seung-chan, it's an aspect of the way she sees herself at this point. Which is slowly, and hopefully changing, because having her sincerity acknowledged was a huge step forward for her breaking out of that belief.

I also don't know if I agree that his disinterest is manifest in the way that he looks at her though, because most of his looks for me- and from what I've been able to tell from the comments, for a lot of other people- have been far from platonic. In...

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...Seung-chan's case, it is literally only his actions towards Ye-jin which convinced me he has no interest in Cindy, not his actions towards Cindy herself. There have been multiple times in the show, when he looks at her (like when she thanked him and sang in the last episode, or when he's editing her video this episode, and those are just the most recent examples, and the moments were both from his POV, not hers as their scenes usually are), that I find it extremely easy to believe that he's falling for her. It's only when he rushes back to Ye-jin yet again that I realize that Ye-jin's still the only one for him. If he didn't, I'd find it easy to be convinced he's starting to feel differently for Cindy, because of the framing and his expressions. The dramas's been deliberately constructed that way to continue with the ridiculous shipping agenda. They pushed forward the Cindy/Seung-chan ship in a lot of ~confusing ways, especially of the non-verbal kind, despite the clear Ye-jin/Seung-chan romantic angle.

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I really don't think Cindy is as pitiful as to not believe someone can't love her. She might have stated that as her way of self depreciation but I don't think she believes so. That's too much of a meh, boo-hoo sob story for me to cling on, and in my eyes, takes away from her strength that I'd like to believe she has. I think she believes she is worthy to be loved but realizes that the person she likes doesn't feel the same. That's a contrasting opinion to yours so each their own.

I think people believing Seung-chan's actions are misleading is because shippers like to believe /cling onto something that doesn't exist or is not intended to be shown by the writer and PD. That's an opinion and while I'm excepting a whole lot of backlash for it from shippers, that's always been the impression I had which won't change. Seung-chan has been nothing but clear on his stand with Cindy. This is very very unlike Gun-woo who has led on Jung-joo on purpose, as he stated himself and as we all see. He likes that he feels like a good person around her so he doesn't care if she hurts. Gun-woo is dysfunctional and it's the exact opposite of Seung-chan who is very clear headed and knows what he wants. So comparing them or the dramas even indirectly is just odd to me. I'm sure Seung-chan would love for Cindy to get over him since he's obviously not into her. That itself goes against the very being of Gun-woo.

As for you wanting to be confused, that's a personal choice which Cindy didn't take. That's choosing not to delude yourself because the truth is right there which, good for her! Lying to herself won't get her anything but further heartbreak.

I interpret Seung-chan's actions completely the opposite of how you do. He has always been a warm person and his sympathy for Cindy's plight as well as her struggles is what makes him care for her. He has witnessed what her CEO tried to pull and even took revenge for her because he feels sorry for what she had to go through. To me, he has never, in any way, showed romantic interest in her. That's reserved solely for Ye-jin. Which is why I've never believed they could really be unless he gets rejected by Ye-jin, and even then it's a long shot. I wouldn't want him to end up with someone he doesn't love. That's so not the life he deserves, and so doesn't Cindy.

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But that's exactly it. I don't think these things make her pitiful at all. That she has no sense of identity (we literally don't even know her real name), that she has no sense of self or background, and that that adds to her loneliness and rootlessness, is a part of her arc. Her gaining control and an identity and not letting herself be her image is her arc. So that she feels divorced from herself, and therefore can't understand someone loving her, especially when she sees herself as her cold/prickly image because she's been playing it for so long, make sense in context. She’s been one of the most (only?) defined characters in that regard, where the audience has slowly come to understand every aspect of her personality and where it stems from. And I'm not sure how being insecure and afraid, especially in a moment when her sincerity is being casually questioned by the first guy she opened up to, takes away from her strength. That's a rather exacting standard of strength.

She didn’t say that line as mere self-deprecation, she genuinely believes it (I think the scene made that manifestly clear? It was intense and brutally honest and she broke down after it). Which is what Seung-chan pointed out to her and facilitated her realization, or admission of: “I believe you’re a good person. But I don’t think you believe it.” In a comment above, you mentioned her history too as a sob story, and while I agree it's clichéd, I think what fundamentally makes a difference is the treatment of it. It’s not used to justify her unjustified action or behavior, it’s never even mentioned outside of the scene itself, in that it’s not constantly bought up to win the viewers over, or to hold it as a complete excuse for everything Cindy does, as it often is with male leads in dramas. All it does is explain some things about her character; her insomnia, that she feels stuck because she literally has nowhere else to go, and why CEO Byun exercises such control over her.

I think taking away those scenes from a narrative that you feel make her ‘less strong’ or acts as a pitiful sob story, even though the canon itself explicitly states them, and to not account for how she feels, is then misreading the character. I believe Cindy has shone in various ways, much apart from her tragedy or insecurities. Those are a part of her too, but that doesn’t mean that those parts of her is all she is, or that her being 'strong' is contingent on those NOT being a part of her. I feel like that’s saying that Cindy’s sympathy from the audience is contingent on such tragedy, and it’s not. It’s contingent on the fact that Cindy is a well-developed character with pretty much the only character arc which doesn’t revolve solely around romance, and who IU plays very well. It’s dismissive of the various facets of her canon character. Viewer’s sympathies, after all, are engaged in many ways, even if there's no explicit tragedy in the background; Ye-jin’s...

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...Ye-jin’s tough-on-the-outside-but-warm/tender-from-inside, and Seung-chan’s super-earnest, very-much-adorably-in-love-with-noona, blunt rookie traits are also fairly common character tropes and are clearly used to endear these characters to the audience.

Also, if you think that Seung-chan/Cindy is solely shippers reading into the text, then that pretty much takes the text at face value. In this scenario the text is Geun-woo for all the ships, it’s leading the audience on on purpose. It’s deliberately confusing. In the framing, the music, the dialogues, the actions, the expressions of the characters themselves (there have been multiple points where Seung-chan could have believably fallen for Cindy, irrespective of the fact that he didn’t. The show framed them all as such. That is why so many shippers exist in the first place.) Also, we do read differently, because I don’t believe there's anything in the text to suggest that Seung-chan is a warm person or goes out of his way for people at all. He’s only ever been that way with Ye-jin, because he likes her. I haven’t even seen him show any sympathy for anyone’s plight except Ye-jin’s—if anything, he has tunnel vision with regard to Ye-jin and can’t see beyond her, he sang “Noona Is My Woman” right after Cindy kissed him and confessed her feelings, and regardless of how he feels about her, it was extremely insensitive. He also questioned her on her sincerity and whether she could tell the difference between reality and acting after the confession. Which is why, when he finally started showing consideration, or came to terms with her sincerity, it was a realization, and the show played it that way, in that it was presented as a moment when his feelings could change. Of course by now we all know that they’re not going to, but that doesn’t mean it isn't deliberately emotionally manipulative just the same. They’re doing the same with Ye-jin/Seung-chan imo, because Ye-jin stating “you’re a man, Seung-chan” a couple of times is supposed to be her entire POV in the romantic aspect of their relationship, and most of the shipping doesn't take into account her POV, and is based on the fact that people feel that Seung-chan is better for her, as he's does so much for her, and is so cute around her. Not because she's ever suggested that she's interested in him romantically in the least.

I don't see a Seung-chan/Cindy endgame as him ending with someone he doesn't love or can't love in the future, maybe because I'm not convinced of his love for Ye-jin either. I believe he really, really likes her, but his romantic history, and his character throughout has made it v. hard for me to read them romantically, especially since I mostly watch Ye-jin's scenes from her POV because I adore her, and she's been treating him as her favorite junior/kid brother/adorable puppy creature. I don't think Cindy/Seung-chan is the endgame in the least, but I don't think love's involved in any of the ship...

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...equations anyway, except possibly RJM/TYJ, so I can easily see all of them individually move on, whether it be Cindy from Seung-chan or Seung-chan from Ye-jin.

I guess our readings are so fundamentally different, and our character and ship preferences very different too, so we'll probably have to agree to disagree! As it is, the show's going to mess with us either way. :s

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"It was extremely insensitive"

No, to me it wasn't because he very clearly told her that he doesn't believe in her sincerity. So him singing for Ye-jin is just dismissing Cindy's feelings because he never thought they were even true. When he realized how wrong he was, he apologized in earnest because he wronged her. That's not being insensitive, that's simply miscommunication.

Also, Ye-jin has never showed Seung-chan interest as a man, and I think those who suggest she did (I don't see any here but they probably exist, particularly in SK) are just as delusional as those who think Seung-chan has any romantic feelings for Cindy. I don't see anyone claiming Ye-jin feels for Seung-chan that way, although I'm sure there are tons of people who do so, particularly in SK. Anyway, to me it's pretty obvious these two youngsters have complete one sided crush/love. There's nothing to suggest otherwise, and no, that's not taking things at face value or missing the message subtly conveyed. The one sidedness IS the message the drama gives me, as a viewer. I don't need to read between the lines or hear the background music to know because the actors are doing a bang-up job of making sure there's no confusion - to me. GHJ has never made it seem like Ye-jin may feel more for Seung-chan than the adorable sweetheart hoobae that he is. KSH has also never made it seem like he sees Cindy more than an artist he works with and someone he's starting to see the true self of. He might want to befriend her because he realizes she's sincere, but never have I gotten any vibe that he wants to further their relationship the way she does. They can play titanic's music as background, but it still won't convince unless he actually shows love in his eyes.

I do think most of your points may be valid for some, but I don't agree with them since I have a very different POV. Particularly of Cindy as a character. Not that I think I'm right lol, but I do think we should just agree to disagree, so I'll give it a rest from my side =)

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Just because you get rejected doesn't mean your feelings for that person goes away. Cindy still likes him a lot and still gets all flustered in his presence but we can see that she is also trying to settle her feelings for him. It's just that she's having a hard time doing it because he keeps doing things that make her weak at the knees like BSC calling her pretty etc.

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Yes! And the fact that neutral third-parties, like the other 1N2D cast members started 'oohing' and 'aaahing' and joking about giving them some room and talking about how the atmosphere in the room had shifted, definitely suggested to me that his words and actions were confusing.

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i think i would agree with Zoe pointing out Seung Chan's expressions that goes along the bg music and stuff. LOL only this drama makes me analyze things technically :p
every single time of him being mesmerized and smiling on Cindy's actions somehow makes me believe he's starting to like her (since most scenes are frm Cindy's POV we can't help but have this 'feels'). but then suddenly he goes to Yejin and do stuff showing us tht he's still on her camp.

maybe kinda like a "push and pull" strategy frm the writer and director. but i admit SC is such a sweetheart w/ the panda effort :)) im just not that invested i guess w/ the surprise kiss.

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Yes totally agree. As BSC already knows that Cindy is in love with him, with his rejection, he should care about his wordings in order not to continue to give a false hope or misleading her anyway!

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Sorry for riding on this comment thread but I am so frustrated at the way this episode ended!!!

I am shipping Cindy and BSC and I feel like there could still be something there perhaps between them that could form, first with the lingering thoughts from the kiss or more awareness of her as a person the more he gets to know her. She is so sincere in her feelings towards him that I don't want her to get crushed at all (although these feelings on her part were formed because he is one of the first individuals to tell it to her straight as per his character traits and not fawn all over her insincerely). I could be happy with her character standing up for herself as she currently is and becoming happy in terms of that but I would prefer for her love to be returned too.

On the same note, the way BSC feels about YJ is obvious and sweet but I feel like YJ doesn't see him in a romantic light at all (I hope!!!!) and has treated him like a little brother so far. She has been oblivious to his feelings so far and I hope it stays that way :P

This could all be resolved as soon as Joon Mo steps up and tells YJ what he feels for her because he is the unknown at the moment for YJ as in what his feelings towards her are.

Anyway, nevertheless I look forward to seeing how this ends. (Cindy and BSC ftw!!!!)

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But the writer keeps trolling us though. I have noticed every time BSC comes to a realization about Cindy that would make him fall for her, the immediate scene is him running to Ye Jin.

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The writer is probably thinking: in this way I can keep all the love lines up in the air and keep the viewers guessing. But one of the possible drawbacks of this way of writing is that we end up not having a single love line that we can truly invest in. Lots of ppl mentioned that the show is now a normal rom com without the mockumentary elements. But I would argue that it's not really even a rom com now. We don't get squealy moments the way we do with pairings who are really in love with each other. Instead we get a show where we watch people pursuing a love interest who is pursuing his or her own love interest for 10 out of 12 episodes. Sometimes it's hard to be interested in them because they are not interested in each other in the first place.

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I am too!!!!

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I'm loving Cindy's development but SeungChan's puppy love is wearing a little. I really want to get to the part where SeungChan's mom finds out that Cindy is both the "hussy" and the sweet girl who organizes her trash right.

I also which that the show added back a bit more of the mocumentary editing style here and there to add some spice to the show.

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I feel for Cindy so much. A girl all alone in the world, only having her CEO and her image, and a career that can be quite short-lived. It's like she is standing on a precipice, and can fall in any minute, w no one to pull her back, or offer a genuine word of comfort. Manager Oppa is nice and all, but he seems a bit dim and meek. Not much help in the struggle w CEO Byul. While the guy she likes is totally clueless and is 'in crush' w another.

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I like Cindy's story a lot. For a show that is supposedly about producers, Cindy steals the limelight from the other leads. I hope that Joon Mo grows some balls and confesses to Ye jin the right way in the next episode. I just know they're the OTP here. Then, we can focus more on the production side of things, particularly how Joon Mo's team will make "2days and 1night" a better show. Kick some butt!

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Yeah! I want 1N2D to resurface! Kick some butt, show!

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Also, Seungchan's mom harping about Cindy and then later on loving the unknown girl who knew how to recycle are just foreshadowing, don't you think? I am excited for the scene when Seungchan introduces Cindy to his mom!

I have high hopes that they will bring back the mocumentary in the last 2 episodes :)

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I would love to see the scene where Mom finds out the 'hussy' is the perfect 'girl next door '! What a hoot that would be.

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Always 2 steps forward, one step back. I hope a lot more happens on the last two episodes.

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Thanks for the spot-on recap and comments Javabeans!!!

I'm so happy about how the drama's turning out to be!

Like many, I think Cindy should spend some time to love herself first before being with anyone so I think the scenes with her being all strong and courageous in front of her CEO really shows how much she transitioned in the course of the whole show. It's amazing how much I used to find her character annoying and boring in Episode 1 and now I'm all hers. I'm not a fan of IU, but seeing her act vulnerable like this, it's so heartwarming.

I understand that some find the Noona Romance weird, I mean, I did too--I swear it creeped me out before this show. But there's something about Seungchan and Yejin that's so adorable that you don't even notice that age gap between them. And that kiss. DAMNNNNNNNNN. I've never been so proud of Seungchan. <3

TERRIFIC WORK PARK JI EUN. YOU THE REAL MVP. huhuhu
*crying real tears*

What worries me thois that, as much as I like Cha Tae Hyun, Ra Joon Mo has not impacted me in the course of the show enough to feel any connection with him. I found him relatable but the writers seem to be focusing too much on BSC. I hope they give Joon-mo lots of time to deepen our understanding of his character in the last 2(or is it 3) episodes.

DO WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE WEEK BEFORE THIS SHOW ENDS </3 I'M TOO ATTACHED TO THIS ONE TO LET IT GO YET. KBS2 EXTEND! ahihihihihi

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Wow, that "swing kiss"!!! Such a wonderful service to fans of KSH and GHJ --- heard the scene took two hours to finish.
I really adore BSC's courage and determination. Such contrast to NJM. Maybe this is age difference?
I think the endgame is either BSC and GHJ, or none at all. NJM has no hope in the last two episode, what was he doing in all these years? (sigh)

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YJ and JM have spent ALL these years together. YET, she doesn't get it when he asks her not to move out. If two ppl who have known each other since childhood, who know everything about each other, can't even get that message clearly in their communication, then I say they have no business being a couple, they don't belong together.

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That is why I don't see any reason for YJ and JM together. YJ seemed so clueless here because JM "edited" her confession. Now she is not even sure she loves JM any more.

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She did get it! If it wasn't clear enough from what she said when she was under the blanket.

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*random thought*

So,

Joon-mo kiss Ye-jin
Cindy kiss Seung-chan
Seung-chan kiss Ye-jin

I am wondering, who will be kiss by Ye-jin in the final episode.......

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Hahahaaaa.... LOL!

I love comments like this! Yes, who will YJ kiss.

When I saw that last scene, the first time watching, I felt sad..... really really sad (bcoz I'm for Umbrella couple).

Second time watching, the only thing that came my mind was = this is like when Cindy kissed Seung Chan! abruptly.. spontaneously.... the other person stared in disbelief.... aahhh.... de ja vu...?

But I have to admit, I've watched quite a lot of Kdramas, this is the first time I saw an actor who managed to convey so many feelings at the same time.

When he was driving, on his way to meet YJ, he clutched his hands and grabbed his chest, the look in his eyes with his mouth blowing airs just to calm himself.... my goodness! I felt my own palm sweating and heart racing too.. He's so convincing!

(actually, at the moment I'm also watching "Greatest marriage" = a very good script-writing and directing, but I don't get that same feelings from the actor who played Park Tae Chan, there's a similar scene when he was also 'supposed' to feel the nervous of confessing his feelings/love to Anchor Cha)

I can't wait to watch Kim Soo Hyun as a badass gangster in REAL next year.

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"When he was driving, on his way to meet YJ, he clutched his hands and grabbed his chest, the look in his eyes with his mouth blowing airs just to calm himself…. my goodness! I felt my own palm sweating and heart racing too.. He’s so convincing!"

YES! Yes, yes and yes. I really felt that moment, and I was so nervous on his behalf because I was so scared to see him heartbroken. That was a great scene!

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Karma is a bitch Seung Chan. lol

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"But I have to admit, I’ve watched quite a lot of Kdramas, this is the first time I saw an actor who managed to convey so many feelings at the same time."

End of episode 10 of Coffee Prince. No contest.

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That driving scene was great on expressing how he was feeling! I know - because I've done it myself! Arghhh - the butterflies in the stomach! LOL

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Ye Jin ought to kiss herself!

She loves herself so much, up to this ep, that she didn't catch a clue about how other people really feels (that both Seung Chan & Joon Mo likes her, that Cindy like Seung Chan, and so on). She is the only clueless one in this show, in fact, and cares only for her own feelings.

Oh I hhhhate her.

Warm? Weak? In my opinion, she's just selfish, annoying, manipulating and a bully. I honestly don't know why Seung Chan likes her (perhaps because he's so naive? Geez.)

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i think originally her character was like that but she seems much more childlike in recent eps

and TBH wasn't Cindy like that also? Selfish, annoying, manipulative in her actions towards her manager, her fans, and the ppl surrounding her?

I think it's a matter of how the writer developed each character and Cindy was definitely more well developed in comparison.

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Honestly I think the character I like the least is YJ. Not sure if it's GHJ's portrayal... There's too much exaggeration and her cluelessness is not believable. I find her voice annoying too. It frustrates me because I love KSH to pieces and love all his co stars in his other dramas, but somehow I'm so not liking his pairing with GHJ. In this drama I rather him ended up alone than with YJ. I don't get her appeal at all and this drama is so frustrating to watch!

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@Kate : wow, i feel it too, but i m the opposite side. I love all GHJ's co-star like Rain, Gong Yoo, Jang Hyuk, LSG, HJW, So Ji Sub, and Jo In Sung. But, for me KSH is really not match with her.

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i'm not even going to respond to all that hate-_- personally, she's my favorite character, and i disagree with all of the above.

but with regard to her supposed "personality switch", i see the "change" in her character as being because now that the drama focuses on their interactions with each other, who all know each other quite well at this point, yejin's personality reflects how she acts when she's with people she knows and likes. like most people, she has a public face and a private one. now that she is well acquainted with seung chan, he gets to see how she usually is- a bit dense, still sarcastic, but laughs freely, and harbors (what she believes is) a one-sided crush on her long-time best friend, which also reveals her more vulnerable side. so it's not so much that her personality has changed, but that we see (along with the other characters) her more private, "real" side.

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@adinda. Good, I hope they will never appear in the same drama ever again. It's too painful to watch him kissing GHJ. It's like he's kissing his aunt.

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Yes, every time she receives a compliment, she would, "aah...yes.. I am like that... hahaa"... I mean, isn't that conceited?

What I really hate most about Ye Jin is the way she would laugh when she hears hurtful words, when she's angry... I mean, in real life I would avoid ppl with that personality because I wouldn't know whether the person laugh because he/she can take the criticism or in Ye Jin's case - she's actually very angry.

Difficult to guess her feelings from her facial expressions and voice tone. During her encounter with SC's omma over the reverse parking issue, I didn't catch that she was actually very angry at SC's mom... LOL... :D

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Joon Mo kisses Seung Chan....lol!

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Yes Ye-jin kiss Joon-mo, I like this!

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Ugh I had such high hopes for this show and they keep getting decimated with every episode. Bel's right, it's always one step forward two steps back. I hate complaining but I can't help it, man. I have so many gripes. :( And I will forever be bitter at the under-usage of CTH. What a waste of a good actor.

In any case, at this point I'm mainly watching for Cindy. I'm glad she's gaining traction and gaining support (even legal support, yassss). I'm very invested in her and I hope she gets her happy ending in life (without SC at this point).

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I loved CTH b4, but love him so much more after this show. If I were an actress, I'd take projects on the basis of whether he is in them or not. LOL.
Their underusing him here only makes me yearn for his next drama so much more.

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I agree 100%. I get more and more disappointed with each episode. There were so many options to explore with the setup and this cast. Instead, the writer and PD failed to deliver a drama with much punch. It's only been somewhat enjoyable to watch and I was really hoping it would have been a super addicting series.

Cindy is a bright spot, but I think they could have made her story line better.

A lot of the concepts of the good parts of the show could have been shown earlier and developed. The rest feels like filler, and not the funniest or most entertaining filler either.

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Yes! How can you ask Cha Taehyun to be in your program and not use his full potential? he was the reason why I watched this drama to begin with. :(

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My heart is actually breaking for CTH, not for his character, Joon-mo. I do hope they give him more screen time in the last two (or three?) episodes, now that BSC has made an effort in making his feelings more obvious to YJ. JM has again unfortunately resorted to making dolphin sounds that YJ is too dense to understand. With a show that's about to be cancelled, CEO Byun about to do to Cindy the very thing that JM wasn't able to prevent for Yuna, and the woman that he has liked for a long time about to be taken away from him, I do think (and hope) that the last two episodes show him being braver about expressing himself and taking on more responsibility.

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'Dolphin sounds that YJ is too dense to understand' lol.?

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I understand your bitterness. Everytime i watch the new episode i grow more and more irritated by the writer's way of undermining him.

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Im really Confused now....
i had headache bcs of this Drama...

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Cindy's really doing it for me. Her unwavering love towards Seung-chan is so cute especially when she was reading that cheasy preview enthusiastically just to see him happy. I totally did not expect her to meet up with her antis either but it was great ahahah

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I don't even know why, Cindy started out as the char (and actor) that I cared for the least in ep 1, to being the one I care for the most now. Cindy, pls have a happy ending, w or w/o BSC as BF. W/o him as her BF but as a best friend and supporter would be good.

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I think Cindy has become the favorite (for those who like her) because her arc is about her growth and not a romance that you could take or leave. We're watching her grow professionally and personally. And for all the talk about honesty and sincerity that BSC-lovers give him, it's really Cindy whose been the most honest and sincere.
She told BSC early on how she felt. She's stood up to her CEO. She's addressed her anti-fans. She's asked for and accepted compliments and criticisms of her personality; and, still remained an arrogant b*** when she needed to.

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Cindy ...fighting!!!!!!

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Me too.

I was one of those who complained that IU was not convincing....etc...etc.... but now, I found myself looking forward to this drama just to know what will Cindy's next of action.

To me, the plot for her character is the most moving, the most intriguing, the most anxiously waited.

Seung Chan likes Hae Jee, then like Ye Jin (this is like merry-go-round). The only best part is that Seung Chan has matured (a bit) in handling women - the fact that he planned to confess, calculated his move, weighed Ye Jin's personality before decided to love her (unlike with Hae Jee- bcoz she's pretty), did more and more PD work (I wish the plot tells us whether The Preview was good or not).

Ye Jin and Joon Mo are still Ye Jin and Joon Mo.... nothing new....nothing added to her character growth. Well, at least we know a bit about Joon Mo's connection to CEO Byun and Yuna.

But Ye Jin? nothing new...

I'm beginning to like the extras now, esp Ye Jin's younger brother. Actor Kim Hee Chan has a lot of potential. I hope he will grow into a big actor like KSH one day. At 23, he's very good!

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Yessssssssssss! To be honest, I was the first one who wrote that Cindy's character would be the most interesting and would have a lot of layers.....I was so right! I am just so happy that most of the comments here acknowledged that!!!!

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"Ye Jin and Joon Mo are still Ye Jin and Joon Mo…. nothing new….nothing added to her character growth."

Which tbh is really such a disappointment considering there is so much potential with their characters and the actors themselves are very talented

And is also why this show is getting more frustrating

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Roy Kim and Jung Joon Young are IU fans in real life acting as anti-fans that turn into fans in the drama. Oh the irony ahaha

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OMG THEIR CAMEOS! xD so cute ♥ and I laughed so much watching them!! aww no more cindy pretending to be an anti now that she's exposed herself.... really love her funny moments with the antis though kekeke

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I was one of those that hoped (or continue to hope) for a romance to develop between Cindy and BSC. But with the way things are going, I wouldn't be sad to see either Kim Woo Bin or Lee Jong Suk doing a guest appearance or cameo as Cindy's potential love interest. Lol.

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Yesss!! That would be a perfect way to end the drama :D
Hope that Cindy meets a nice guy and starts a real romance.

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With the remaining episodes, the rookie-sunbae PD couple should be put aside. I rather see the Umbrella Couple. THE RECTANGLE LOVE IS DRIVING ME NUTS. THE ARROWS ARE POINTED THE WRONG WAY. In my opinion, it should be Cindy & Seung Chan ; Joon Mo & Ye Jin.

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Not gonna happen. The show did a good job with keeping us guessing and drawing potential love lines.

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I love this episode. So much. Everything tied in to such perfection; the idea of preview and giving warnings of sort before going for the kill. I’m also dead impressed at the writing because even if the drama has dragged the Seung-chan love triangle like no tomorrow, I’m still so invested in both girls and their relationship with him. I find myself jumping from one ship to the other depending on a scene, which makes the watch extremely enjoyable and relaxed.

I loved the supporting casts’ story today. Stefano and Office Nazi had me literally squirming in laughter with their weird awkwardness and sometimes blazing chemistry. I’m so annoyed at him for being such a jerk and bailing on her, but I smell huge regret so the pay off will be great. Manager oppa’s jealousy over not being thanked right after getting caught being a member of Cindy’s anti-fan club – LMAO. He’s just hilarious, particularly today. I’m also delighted that even with the triangle, we still get to see Seung-chan learning the tricks on being a successful PD. I felt last week was a let down in that aspect but they’ve picked up on it and I’ve no complains.

I love Seung-chan and basically everything about him. His straightforwardness gets me right at the heart and his confession was so simple and without hesitation that I can’t help but root for him through and through. To be honest, I still don’t see how they can end the drama with puppy getting the girl he likes, but there’s no doubt I was holding my breath both when Yejin heard the confession and in the kiss. Swoon, lots of swoon! It was adorable and sparkled of so much chemistry; just like when Seung-chan apologized to Cindy. That was also laced with lots of sexual tension but likewise, I don’t see how Cindy will get the boy she likes.

I think this was a great week and much better than last. My cheeks hurt from the laughter and smiles and even if hearts will be broken, I’m also confident they’ll all be okay. Everyone has matured over the course of the drama (save Joon-mo, I suppose) and even if they don’t get to be with the person they want, they’ve all gained friendships and learned important life lessons. I feel so sad that it’ll all come to an end; but here’s to hoping it's a satisfying conclusion.

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@Manday
You wrote everything I wanted to say --- so glad you and I are the same kind :).Cannot believe next week is the end, and we won't see any more of BSC :(.

I've watch a couple of shows from writer-nim Park Ji-Eun. And I would expect a second kiss between BSC and TYJ, after she comes out the confusion and be true to herself. This is because there are only two episode left and the writer-nim would not choose (I hope) to hang the audience in the air. Either explicitly show BSC and TYJ together or hint they would be together --- I am not shipping any CP line, but just reasoning from writer-nom's point of view.

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@Mandy I really love what the actor has done with BSC and I am not a Kim Soo Hyun fan. But I have to admit, that he is a very good actor and has a lot of charisma onscreen. He just owns the role and you can't help rooting for him.

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I feel like the writer is just winging it at this point, it feels so sloppy.

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My heart breaks for Cindy. The first few episodes, I didn't care for her, or about her. But these last 4 or so episodes have really fleshed out her character. I love her OCD, her anti-fan cafe involvement, her intelligence. She seems so real. The others are great too, but Cindy shines here for me. Which is not something I'd have predicted would happen as I watched this for KSH initially. I wish Cindy would get her happy ending~!

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So true, this week has been a great week for Cindy because of the massive strides she's making as a character - not backing down and rolling over for the inevitable demise of her career at Byun-pire's hands. Easily the best moment of the episode for me was her whipping off that mask at the anti-fan meeting, the girl has stones for real. I was torn between laughing and cheering lol.

and I love the grudging friendship that's developed between her and Ye-jin. Ye-jin openly sticking up for her in episode 9 was one important turning point in Cindy realising that she's not alone and not just an image, and that realisation is what fuelled a lot of what she did this ep.

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Thanks for the recap I'm kind of nervous for the lasst two episodes. >_<

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I just realized it this episode, but I like that Cindy has never been super nasty (or any meaner than she is usually lol) to Yejin just because she knows Seung-chan likes her instead of Cindy. It would have been really easy to make Cindy resent Yejin and lash out at her, but I like that even when Cindy's actively trying to get in between Yejin and Seung-chan (like in the fireworks scene), she's not unnecessarily malicious to Yejin.

Anyway, I'm gonna keep saying this until the very last episode--I want Cindy and Yejin to become bffs and move in together. I mean, Cindy likes Yejin's cooking and Yejin likes having Cindy clean for her--they would be the most passive aggressive, snarky, ridiculous housemates and I want it, like, yesterday.

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Super like!!!

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Cindy has been super nasty to Ye Jin just because Cindy can be super nasty. So more than anything seeing their relationship grow has been lovely. Ye Jin being kind to Cindy even when she didn't deserve it, Cindy eventually coming around, and then Ye Jin sticking up for her with the CEO last episode was so sweet. I love a show that doesn't have two women competing against each other over some guy. Their bff-ship would be a great ending imo! Cindy needs a supportive unnie in her life, and Ye Jin is hilarious when being challenged by Cindy.

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+1

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Because BSC is the famous KSH, at least he got a kiss before he is properly rejected...
Still shipping umbrella couple. Cindy is the best portrayed top star in k-drama i've ever seen...

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not just because BSC is acted by famous KSH, it is because GHJ is also a lead actress with many friends would like to watch their kiss scene.

It will be good if BSC is rejected, otherwise, the story will be very relucent.

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Personally, I would give the best portrayed top star in k-drama to Cheon Song Yi.

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I feel like Cindy and Baek Sung Chan are the real adults in this drama. Despite Sung Chan's somewhat childish crush on Ye Jin (which is more hilarious than romantic), both he and Cindy are the ones who act as mature responsible people. I just love how much they have grown over the course of 10 episodes.

Ye Jin and Jung Mo, on another hand, are both extremly frustrating. I love it when they act as mentors for the younger two, but their own relationship is messy as hell. They really do remind me of Trash and Na Jung from AM1994 in the worst possible way. For some reason I don't really care how the main love triangle with Sung Chan is gonna play out , but I don't want Ye Jin and Jung Mo together. Because this type of relationship is toxic, IMHO. When an adult man in mid thirties cannot communicate his feelings it is a sign that he wil stay a coward till the rest of his life.

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At this point, it's all JM's doing. YJ is acting maturely imo; she apologized for making him uncomfortable and as such the logical next step is to move out of his place. She had no idea of his true feelings (whatever they maybe at this point) so she's kinda moving on instead of dwelling and angsting over it too much. He needs to be CLEAR with her, spell it out for her because you chose to edit out her confession and she found out. What else is YJ supposed to do, she can't force him to do and say something she isn't even aware of.

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You see, in my opinion her 'moving on' has happened multiple times before. She had quite a few boyfriends (as we saw in on of the first episodes), but always comes back to Jung Mo because she can't let go of their disfunctional relationship. So this 'push and pull' mess between them has been going on for over a decade. Jung Mo is certainly the main problem, but Yi Jin is a doormat and an enabler.

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I'd like BSC to have a chat w YJ's 2 ex-BFs whom we've met.
One said: Dating her is like dating a married woman; The other said: It is obvious to everyone but YJ and JM that they love each other.
BS should learn from the other guys' experience.

Since I saw those 2 interviews in ep 1, I could never ship YJ w BSC. They certainly have "a thing" going, for ages. Whether it is functional or dysfunctional is a separate issue. Push and Pull. Takes 2 to tango. Those 2 must enjoy the tango a lot to have had it going for 25 years. So, whatever floats their boat!

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I think Ye-jin is trying to pull away when she found out/thought Joon-mo doesn't have feelings for her - if he really doesn't. I dont even know with that character anymore.

But I completely agree that their relationship is extremely dysfunctional. I think they have the highest chance of getting together and the only couple I really hope won't. Their back and forth with how they feel is a little too ridiculous for my liking. They are adults and can't seem to just sit down and talk in earnest about their relationship. Joon-mo can't even goddamn tell her he likes her when he has the luxury of knowing she likes him back. This is such cowardly and immature behaviour and I can't imagine them working out.

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But that was before the confession she made; before she consciously realized that she loved/liked him. Now she is aware that she loves him and his reaction has shown her that he does not so she's taking what little steps she is capable of atm. I do not see how she's a doormat or enabler; if it's anyone it would be JM, who rushes to her after every breakup, who tells her to stay with him without being upfront abt his feelings.

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In what way that YJ "always come back" to JM?
It has been established since Day 1 that they are bff. Not ex-couple.
Even if YJ has broken up in the past, of course she'd go back to her bff. She's not a doormat at all. Albeit, she's seriously clueless. If she is a doormat, even if she didn't understand what JM may want to tell her, she'd lap at JM's offer to stay with him cos that would give her a chance to make him fall in love with her.
Also, in the epilogue scene, my take is JM is afraid of losing YJ as a friend. I seriously don't think that he harbour any romantic feelings for YJ.

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I've pretty much stopped watching and is only reading the recaps. Cindy is the only thing motivating me to care about the drama. The love triangle just seems too draggy, I wanna see Cindy evolve and become better, stronger, and show byun-pire what she is made of.

I actually feel like if they push the umbrella couple anymore I'm going to be annoyed, because Cindy deserves more than a rushed relationship in the end.

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i feel that way too, but i still watch the drama to see the progress, IU bring me to this drama

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I miss the thrill of the first couple of episodes. The series has moved on from a PDs life to their individual life. And they seem to be more focused on BSC love life than his life as a rookie PD.

I am really disappointed that he doesn't return cindy's affection though there are moments he seems to have realized something though I am not sure what. Still hoping for a umbrella couple. Fingers crossed.

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I felt the same way too :(

One thing I always wonder though; in Episode 1, we were told that the cameras that are following the KBS staff are shooting a documentary Three Day Documentary but now the plot has run more than 2 months based on Seung Chan's confession that he has been feeling something for Ye Jin for two months.

So, how come the cameras are still following them around?

why are the cameras following into their personal life that has nothing to do with their PD work?

And when will the shooting end? At the end of Episode 12?

Episode 13 is only BTS.

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I am firmly on SC-YJ ship but I am so nervous as to what will happen next week. I feel like Im in for a heartbreak so until then I'll just cherish that moment between the two of them. Sigh. I dunno but it I have a feeling that no one is gonna end up with anyone at this point.

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Either it would end with SC-YJ, or none at all. I would bet 70% possible with the first, and 30% with the second. Since there won't be sequel with BSC-TYJ (both actors have busy schedules, and I don't think both would want to play the same char. again), the writer-nim will have to tell a complete story. From all the hints and clues from episode 1 to now, she has SC-YJ on mind all the time. So there will be waiting time for SC in the next episode. But I just hope the writer-nim will not drag to the end in order to gain viewing rate.

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+1

fingers crossed

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