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Oh My Venus: Episode 6

Joo-eun’s hard work starts to yield results… some expected, and some very much unexpected. Her evident physical changes begin to enact emotional changes in the people around her, affecting how they relate to her and each other. And as the past slowly starts to become clearer, present actions begin to make more sense – let’s hope they lead to honesty and healing.

EPISODE 6 RECAP

Joo-eun gets all worked up over Anna Sue and Young-ho’s scandal (since he’s let her think he’s gone to the US to see her), but starts her workout faithfully. He arrives home in the middle of a balancing exercise, making her tip over and knock both of them to the floor. Young-ho sees Joo-eun’s noticeably thinner face, and her dimple winks at him, mesmerizing him instantly.

He ignores her complaints and smiles in wonderment, poking a finger into her dimple. He’s so utterly charmed that her grumpiness flies right over his head. Flustered, Joo-eun puts her glasses back on, and Young-ho ruins the mood by pointing out that people lose weight from the top down, and her tummy hasn’t changed. Ugh, stop while you’re ahead.

But Young-ho is in a great mood, and admits that it’s nice to hear her voice in person again. Joo-eun asks about his trip “to the States,” and Young-ho vaguely says that he experienced a moment he’s been waiting for for a long time. At that, Joo-eun screams in his face, “You bastard, get over here!” HA, she means her stuffed sloth, who she’s named You Bastard.

After beating the crud out of You Bastard, Joo-eun is still angry over Young-ho’s comment that he had a moment he’s been waiting for while he was gone. Thinking he was with Anna Sue, she assumes they had a sexy night together, and laughs wryly to herself. She finds Young-ho glaring suspiciously at a snack she left out for him, muttering that she regrets making it, when he says he doesn’t eat carbs or sodium.

Joo-eun argues that home-cooked meals are warm and comforting, with lots of flavor, grumbling that it’s no good to be so sexy when he lives a bland life. He ignores her, more curious about the meal cover she used to keep the food fresh, and she asks if his mother never used such a thing. Sadly, he says he’s never seen one before.

Joo-eun wanders off saying she’s going to get a massage, and Young-ho says massages are best from a man. But then he imagines Joo-eun, moaning ecstatically while getting a sexy massage from a muscle-bound masseur (holy crap that guy is huge), and panics a little. He hollers at her not to get a massage, offering to do it himself.

HAHA, and then he just lets her use his massage chair. That’s cheating! But he covers her torso with a pillow, saying that the bouncing of her body looks suggestive, and he doesn’t want her getting too turned on. Right, I’m sure it’s her comfort you’re thinking about.

Now Joo-eun is embarrassed, and Young-ho seems to be enjoying her discomfort. She asks him to stop the chair, dropping to banmal, and he pretends offense and leans way over her to chastise her for speaking to her coach that way. He’s right on top of her while she bounces underneath him — this is awesome.

In spite of their suggestive position, Joo-eun proposes that they act more like friends from now on. Young-ho asks if she means the kind of friends who kiss, and adjusts the chair vertically, bringing her even closer to himself. Joo-eun’s heart starts to pound as she remembers their accidental “kiss” during jiu jitsu practice.

Stepmom brings Grandma tea and offers her a massage, but it’s obvious that Grandma prefers to keep her at arm’s length. She says that people talk about her as if she cares more about the company than her dead daughter, and that she somehow used her son-in-law by having him marry Stepmom, and she says that it hurts her to know that people think that way. She compliments Stepmom on the way she’s raised Young-joon, but warns her not to give him any ideas about inheriting the company.

Ji-woong bounces into bed with Young-ho to welcome him home with an attack-hug, excited to hear that he’s gotten a clean bill of health. He chatters about Ma’am and how she wasn’t kidding about being Daegu’s Venus, and Young-ho admits that her long-unseen dimples are pretty cute.

Joon-sung spends the evening in his car, perking up when he sees an older woman walking past. He recalls someone telling him that “they” refused to met him — is this his birth mother? He sighs and heads home, just missing the woman arriving at her door to find herself confronted with a drunk, abusive husband.

Young-ho is woken the next morning by all three of his house guests grinning at him, excited for Joo-eun’s weigh-in. They hold their breath as she steps on the scale… then celebrate. Joo-eun and the boys bounce in circles, but Young-ho is curiously unmoved. He asks why they’re doing this, and Joo-eun and Joon-sung both turn to Ji-woong to shoot him dirty looks.

Apparently, they promised to grant Joo-eun a wish if she lost fifteen kilos (about thirty-three pounds), and Young-ho waves at them to go grant her wish and let him sleep. But the boys insist that all three of them have to do it, so Young-ho reluctantly asks what the wish is. When Joo-eun says it’s to live as Kang Joo-eun for a day, both boys slink away like they’re expecting to get swatted, hee.

All she wants is for the guys to experience some freedom in their lives, but Young-ho doesn’t like the idea — that’s how she became unhealthy in the first place. Joo-eun comes prepared for his objections, showing him her improved blood results, and says there’s room for compromise. Being unhealthy for one day won’t hurt them.

First stop — the coffee shop, where Joo-eun orders everyone fancy drinks with extra whipped cream. Young-ho orders a plain Americano, and Joo-eun has to re-enforce that today is her day to make the decisions.

Hyun-woo’s ex comes back from the States without having found John Kim (mostly because he wasn’t there) but with some interesting footage of Anna Sue. He’s certain the man she’s with in the film is John Kim, but he’s less concerned with fact than he is with getting a good story. If he’s wrong, let John Kim sue him — at least he’ll get to see his face that way.

Joo-eun arrives at work in a great mood, at least until she runs into Soo-jin and her supervisor. He chastises Joo-eun for focusing more on her diet than her job, ordering her to take the harassment case Soo-jin assigned her to (that Soo-jin also happens to be working on). In her office, Soo-jin notices Joo-eun’s smaller face, and gives Joo-eun a new case. It’s a copyright infringement case, guaranteed to be difficult and boring, that she admits she’s too busy to handle.

Ji-woong gets a text from Joo-eun, thanking him for not complaining about his day living as Kang Joo-eun, and gives the guys their next mission. They must get comfortable, and do nothing. Ha, sounds easy, but it’s going to be torture for Young-ho!

Joon-sung shows up in time to participate (with a new, sexy haircut), and the guys take pictures of themselves lying around like slugs. Even Young-ho looks like he’s having fun with it. Later they’re told to watch a romantic movie and get emotional, and awww, Joon-sung even cries a little. He’s definitely the marshmallow of the trio.

Joo-eun forbids Young-ho to exercise, which seems to break his brain a little, hee. Then it’s naptime, which is definitely not a problem for Young-ho. He’s so squishy when he’s sleeping.

Woo-shik delivers information on Young-ho to Uncle, including a photo so that now he knows what his nemesis looks like. They discuss getting the CEO on their side, and how he’ll probably want stocks as incentive. They agree that it’s worth it to give up something in order to gain more.

Soo-jin visits the chaebol daughter who’s being accused of sexual harassment, and she seems like a real nasty piece of work (she’s naked in the bathtub getting a massage while talking to her lawyer — need I say more?). The woman is insulted that she got the firm’s deputy president instead of the president to handle her case, but Soo-jin informs her that no matter how much money she throws at lawyers, the press is going to eat her alive.

She advises the spoiled princess that, since her assault on her employees is public knowledge, she needs to lay low while she’s supposed to be under house arrest — no more plastic surgeons and massage parlors for a while. Princess spits that Soo-jin thinks she’s all that because she’s a little bit pretty, but as a lawyer, she needs her money to live. Soo-jin valiantly holds her tongue, unimpressed.

Joo-eun gets the hilarious pictures of her boys following orders to be lazy and unproductive, squealing at how cute they are. Her secretary, Hyun-jung, expresses worry over her weight loss and justifies that her own weight is mostly muscle, though Joo-eun just sighs that she has to get healthy for her thyroid.

She goes to Hyun-woo’s for a good solid meal on her day of freedom, but the restaurant is under construction and she’s left hungry. Hyun-woo does notice that Joo-eun’s face looks thinner, but shakes her head at the rest of her (oh come on, she didn’t lose thirty pounds in her face, people!).

Joo-eun tells Hyun-woo that she’s staying with a friend, which triggers the memory of Young-ho getting all close and asking if they’re the kind of friends who kiss. Hyun-woo mentions that her ex says he found out where John Kim lives, which makes Joo-eun sit up in alarm.

She calls Ji-woong and has him put her on speaker phone, ordering the guys to put down the bland food. Their day of living as Kang Joo-eun isn’t over, and they’re going out to eat. Expecting a fancy meal, they get dressed up in slick suits which is totally adorable, only to find themselves at a fast-food place, ha. Young-ho tries to bail (“I don’t eat carbs!”) but Ji-woong and Joon-sung force him to go inside.

Joo-eun in ecstatic over the food, while the boys eye it suspiciously. Finally Ji-woong digs in, and even Joon-sung picks at it, though Joo-eun tells him to just fight in a higher weight division. She tries to feed the stonefaced Young-ho something yummy, and he’s no match for the combined power of her cuteness and the boys’ muscle, though he threatens to make them pay for this tomorrow. But he does smile when Joo-eun wants to take a group selca.

Woo-shik gets a call from the police station, but on his way out, Soo-jin calls him to ask where he is. He says he’s at work, unaware that she’s watching him from her car and can see that he’s lying. He heads to the police station, where he finds out that Stalker is suing him for assault. Apparently Stalker spent three weeks in the hospital after Woo-shik punched him (as if) and even recorded Woo-shik’s threat to kill him if he goes near Joo-eun again.

When he’s asked if he has a lawyer, Soo-jin pipes up that she’s his attorney — she followed him to the station. She shoots Woo-shik a Look, and he knows he’s busted.

Soo-jin calls Joo-eun to the police station as well, to serve as witness. It’s not a funny scene, but I can’t help but laugh when Woo-shik and Joo-eun send Soo-jin identical glares when she tells the cops that they were each other’s first love. But she keeps it professional, explaining that after fifteen years, of course Woo-shik would be worried when someone is stalking Joo-eun. Young-ho shows up as well, since he was the witness for the first confrontation with Stalker.

After coming to a settlement, Woo-shik wants to talk to Soo-jin, but she says that he and Joo-eun should probably talk first. He shyly notes that Joo-eun looks good, and admits that he probably overreacted when he confronted Stalker — he didn’t know she had someone looking after her.

Joo-eun is angry that he pities her, but Woo-shik says that he didn’t totally stop caring just because they broke up. He wonders if she really knows who Young-ho is… maybe there’s more to him than she knows, and he might be playing with her. He says he’s worried that she may be falling for Young-ho, but Joo-eun counters that he’s being too nosy.

She turns serious and says that they aren’t kids anymore, but that she’s the same Kang Joo-eun she’s always been, and that gaining weight didn’t mean she destroyed herself. She tells him to think again about what she’s changed in the last fifteen years.

Declaring Soo-jin the better lawyer and Woo-shik in good hands, Joo-eun leaves. Young-ho gives his statement, and we see that he overheard Soo-jin’s explanation of Woo-shik and Joo-eun’s longterm relationship. He calls Manager Min to ask him a personal favor.

Woo-shik waits to speak to Young-ho, and officially introduces himself as an employee at Gahong, Young-ho’s family’s company. Young-ho says he hasn’t decided if he’ll be the new director yet, asking if Woo-shik is doing this because of Joo-eun. Woo-shik concedes that he has no right to worry about her, and thanks Young-ho for coming to help.

Young-ho says that he’d better go because Joo-eun doesn’t like being cold, which bothers Woo-shik. On the other hand, Young-ho looks pretty tickled that Joo-eun waited for him to drive her home rather than take a cab. So cute.

Soo-jin slumps once she gets home, remembering that same lunch where Joo-eun set her up with the engineering jerk, and how Woo-shik had brought her chocolates. After the jerk had told her that “people like her” should stay at home, Woo-shik had come back to punch the guy out for speaking to her that way. He’d dared the guy to sue him, saying that his friend Soo-jin here just passed the bar exam and could defend him. Aww, he really is a good person.

But in the present, Soo-jin had overheard Woo-shik’s recorded threat to Stalker, and how he’d warned him to stay away from Joo-eun. She spots her reflection in the window, seeing her old, overweight self huddled there.

Joo-eun makes Young-ho stop at a coffee shop, happily chirping that she still has thirty minutes before her day of freedom is over. Young-ho objects to caffeine so close to bedtime, but his face goes all soft to see how excited she is for a simple cup of coffee.

Manager Min agrees to Young-ho’s request, which involves himself and all the minions showing up at the police station in a show of force. Min talks to the cop handling Woo-shik’s charges, and makes sure that the word won’t get out that Young-ho was involved. He calls Young-ho to warn him to be more careful, and Young-ho retorts that Min should be more careful not to nag. I freaking love these two.

Whoops, Young-ho is illegally parked, and he narrowly escapes getting towed. It’s raining when Joo-eun comes running back to the car, and the sight of her pretty face in the soft rain makes Young-ho go all wibbly. He’s so flustered, he doesn’t even object when she hands him a fancy coffee for himself, but he recovers enough to ask if she had fun today doing everything he told her not to do.

She softly says that the coffee was just a gift, that she wanted him to experience a sweet part of life. She continues that humans have the right to pursue happiness, and Young-ho looks as though this is resonating with him. He asks if her gift symbolizes their right to be happy, and she says yes, just for this one day.

She suddenly seems to realize the atmosphere in the car has changed, and gets out for some fresh air. But the coffee shop has now closed, and she’s stuck in the rain, which makes Young-ho go all mushy again. Her wish for him to experience the good things in life echoes in his head as he watches her, and he gets out to say that this is too sweet.

He joins Joo-eun under her patio umbrella and casually drinks her coffee, but cringes that it’s too sweet. She catches him staring at her dimple and gets shy, but he doesn’t back down. She wonders when the car will be fixed, thinking that’s why the tow truck came, but Young-ho says the car is fine. He’s just hanging out here because he’s enjoying the sweet things in life. Okay, ~swoon~.

He can’t seem to get over Joo-eun’s dimple and reaches out to touch it, and she tells him to stop messing with her, remembering Woo-shik’s warning. Young-ho says thoughtfully that she really has no idea, that men do other things when they’re only messing with a woman.

Opening his umbrella to shield them from onlookers, Young-ho reminds Joo-eun that her body belongs to him, takes off her glasses, and gently kisses her.

COMMENTS

Well sir, when you finally figure out your feelings, you don’t waste any time, do you? Young-ho is just the best thing ever, with his fascinating mixture of insecurity and confidence, pairing confusion over his feelings with a willingness to get closer to Joo-eun to see what will happen. He seems so hard to read, and yet every thought is right there on his face once you know how to look. He obviously finds Joo-eun interesting as a person, and has for quite a while, but I love that it’s that adorable dimple that mesmerizes him to the point that he can’t keep his hands off her anymore. It’s a great way to take the focus off of Joo-eun’s physical body, yet still make his attraction to her very physical.

I just love Joo-eun and her boys. It’s so cute how she’s really becoming one of them, so much so that Joon-sung and Ji-woong are even willing to make deals with her even when they know it will annoy Young-ho. Their eagerness to participate in the “day of Kang Joo-eun” was the cutest thing ever, and I love how they all really got into it, even grumpypants Young-ho. It really shows that they like and respect Joo-eun, and that they’re up for her shenanigans (though honestly, if she really lost that much weight, she’d probably be thin as a rail already — she wasn’t THAT heavy to start with!).

I wish we could get a little clarification on what Woo-shik’s deal is, why he’s following Joo-eun and getting involved in her business. I think he’s given some clues, such as when he told Soo-jin that he could never get remarried if he ever got divorced, because he would feel too guilty. But I can’t tell if he still cares for Joo-eun or if he’s just feeling guilty for “abandoning” her after dating for so long, and I wish we were shown a bit more of how he feels. In any case, it’s strange how he keeps watching and following Joo-eun from behind the scenes, since she seems to be doing quite well all on her own. She doesn’t need his help, and has truly moved on, and he definitely knows it, even conceding to Young-ho on several different occasions. It’s like he knows she doesn’t need him anymore, but he’s still stuck in being the knight in shining armor and can’t seem to let go of fulfilling that role for her. Huh, maybe that’s why he’s having trouble letting go — because she was able to let go so easily.

But I was cheering for Joo-eun when she pointed out that they’re not the same people as when they first met, and that her gaining weight wasn’t, as he put it, “destroying herself.” Because she’s right — people grow and change, but they stay fundamentally the same on the inside no matter how they change on the outside. Someone can gain or lose weight, or decide to change their style or their career, gain scars or even choose to alter their bodies purposely through tattoos or surgery, but it doesn’t make them somehow less. Joo-eun’s weight gain never affected her negatively other than a small loss of confidence in some situations. She never lost her sense of self, her pride in her accomplishments, or her determination to be successful. If Woo-shik saw her body changes as a loss, then that’s all on him, and says a lot more about him as a person than about Joo-eun. Good for her for knowing that, and for having the courage to say so out loud.

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Luv this show... Fighting

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I cant wait for next week!!!

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anyone has the preview video for next week??? im so addicted!!

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Previews for Mon-Tues's drama usually out on Saturdays so till then. Ugh, the wait.

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I gave his episode 5 stars simply coz we got a sweet kiss, and it is just ep 6. 'Am all smiles here, happy is our mood of the day! ?

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Thanks for the recap.. It's been pretty entertaining so far

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alright... also waited the whole day for this recap to show to say this...

Obviously love the drama... but gotta say the ending left me feeling all icky. 'your body belongs to me' nooooo no no no.

I was a tad weary about it from the get-go... about how she can't say no, her body is his.... but I tolerated since nothing happened, and hoping it's said in jest. But the ending scene... ahhhh I don't know man.. I just don't know. I wish he didn't say anything and just kissed her. I would be swoooooning.... but BECAUSE he said that... just... creepy. :(

Drama gods, please just drop the 'your body belongs to me' line... pleeeeease.

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Totally agree but I think it's part of him messing with her and making her uncomfortable so I didn't take it seriously!

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I kept hoping it was a little mistranslated. I don't think he meant anything bad but the wording is rapey.

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100% agree with this. Totally ruined it for me.

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ugh I totally agree!
I was all swooning over jo si sub and him getting closer but that is just NOPE, especially when initiating physical contact
even if it's not meant to be taken seriously, it is still super icky!

it was a lovely episode, but that really made me angry, WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALL SHOW

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I honestly think the context of a lot of these things are lost in translation. When you often try to translate literal words I feel like the connotation gets skewed. Like I know when I translate certain phrases in Hindi in my head to English they can come off stronger or weaker in translation.
Plus I saw this as more teasing than creepy. Everyone is free to interpret how they wish but knowing how far from an overbearing kdrama lead he's been consistently I choose to see it as more lightly. I mean he goes in for that kiss slowly enough with removing her glasses and all that she has plenty of time to shut that down if she doesn't want it. He's not grabbing her roughly or yanking her too him.
I thought it was a sweet moment.

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ugh it's not really a big deal. people are so sensitive about this--no one reacts when a woman tells a man that he is hers. why does it only become an issue when a man tells a woman she's his, especially in this context when it's a half-joke, and the original context in which it was made totally allows for that kind of expression. also, if you don't understand Korean culture, don't make such comments that show you don't understand!

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I want to know how this is a part of Korean culture?

I don't want to go so far as to say this is an issue of consent because she did definitely have time to react and reject him if she wanted to, but it was just the way he contextualized his actions--putting playing around and her body being his and the fact she can't say no--all in one breath.

I just wonder how this relates to understanding Korean culture, if at all.

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As I see it, this is a cultural thing in that certain words and phrases are still allowed in Korean culture that are now considered "triggering" here - at least in the US, we are currently dealing with what is viewed as an epidemic of sexual violence which has led to bizarre attempts to regulate behavior by curbing and regulating speech. Honestly, does anyone truly think that So Young saying "your body is mine" and kissing her without literally asking permission first means he has objectified her as his rape-toy? Maybe if both characters ask the other to say "yes" every 10 minutes, we can all view a romantic scene without qualms.

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It is not meant in a forceful way. It is a line he's used as her trainer because it's true that he, as her trainer, has rights and control over how she treats her body and what she decides to put into it or do with it. He made that very clear when he decided to become her trainer.
In this particular scene, he is obviously not approaching her as a trainer, but as a guy who likes her, HOWEVER he uses that line to sord-a justify his actions in a teasing, boyish, non-perverted or creepy way to pre-warn her that he's going to approach her, come close to her, and ultimately, kiss her to show that he wants more than a trainer- trainee relationship. THIS, my friends, isthe "cultural"/ subtlety of the Korean language that is lost in translation. Such a beautiful scene... It shows taking risk and his vulnerability as well as boldness all at the same time!!!!

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The reason it is not as troubling when a woman says "You can't say 'No' or "Your body belongs to me" is because of the non-equivalent threat.

Imagine if the situation were reversed and Young-ho had not wanted to be kissed. Would he have been able to physically fend off Joo-eun? Probably yes. Want if she's wanted to force something further? Would he be scared for his life? Probably no.

Could Joo-eun physically fend off Young-ho if she didn't want to be kissed? Probably not. He could easily kill her.

That's why the line, as translated, wasn't sexy to a lot of people.

If you are airing a show in a different country then you need to translate it so that the original intention of the lines is clear. Why air the show in non-Korean countries if you don't want people unfamiliar with Korean culture to view it?

LOVE the show. Don't always love the translations.

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I agree, their relationship is actually really sweet (ahem, among other things) but that line is awkwardly creepy, at least in the english translation.

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I really don't get it. Here at Dramabeans tons of users squeed over I Need Romance 3 like it was the best thing since sliced bread. The general understanding was, that it was romantic with mindblowing kisses. I otoh felt it was misogyny in an attractiv package. The male lead treated the female lead like crap. And there was at least one kiss (outside of her house in front of a car) where she slapped him several times on the shoulder, because she didn't want to get kissed, yet he forced himself upon her.

Here we have a sweet exchange, a play with words the couple knows to interpret (and the audience should be able, too!). No slapping, no force, just a slow, very sweet kiss. No deer eyes, no shock. It is most definitely consensual. And we get tons of outraged posts, that say it's at least creepy if not rapey?!

The double standard of the DB readers is what is shocking in this situation, not the kiss or the words.

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Yes! Thank you. It wasn't creepy. It was sexy. She could have said no, he would have let her say no, it was obvious how he waited and gave her a chance to pull back. Actions speak louder than words.

Since I just passed sexual harassment training, I can say, that scene was hot and the words made it hotter. Even if translated poorly (which I wouldn't know). The woman decides and in this show, she's all for it.

So many times a Korean hero grabs a woman and ignores her hits - that's not sexy (IMO). Grabbing can be ok but ignoring the whimpering, twisting face, and hitting hands is a sign of force.

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One possible interpretation of the words 'You can't say No' could be 'Please, don't regect me. I love you so much, I don't know how to handle it, if you don't want me like I want you' afterall. That's how I took the scene.

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I thought this scene beautiful. The kiss very sweet, he is pursuing her. His comment your body is mine, can't be taken in any other way than I am going to kiss you, don't reject me. Also he is a gentlemen in that he protects her from the possibility of anyone seeing them kiss. That umbrella scene was "the bomb" These two have great chemistry and energy together. Both are hesitant in emotional response for their very own reasons. He has not experienced any tenderness growing up, and she is able to show that to him, and that pulls at his heartstrings. I really enjoy this drama. Both actors are great together, but gee, just wish I could bring that sweet guy home with me. Sigh.... in my dreams... lol

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@whatis - I totally get what you're saying but I agree with @Jenn, it's part of the way he teases her. I agree in real life that would be totally creepy but in kdramaland it was just hot!

Partly because I think he has been saying I own your body in a totally flirty way from day one but has been able to play it off as innocent because of the context. For me it's kind of him acknowledging that aspect (that it wasn't innocent even in the beginning). But So Ji Sub totally messes with my judgement, he gets a lot of leeway with me.

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I think your reading of this is spot on.

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I totally agree 100%. I think he just teasing her and make her feeling uncomfortable.

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I agree with you on this! He's teasing her and to me the whole scene and comment it's actually very sexy! They both are in the whole "your body is mine" since the contract they made for him to help her lose weight and he uses it in that context all the time. I think the writer made a very hot play on words there and I was not offended by any means. Those two are oozing sexyness! And, I tell my husband his body is mine all the time ;)

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ha ha! best comment ever-he gets lots of leeway with me too ;)

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Honestly i think its another case of los in translation but yeah i would feel suuuper violated if anyone said that to me ever.

And I completely agree with you about the teasing aspect and another way to look at it is that he's her personal trainer and he gets to judge how to correctly loose wight so thats why he said "your body is mine" because its my responsibility to make you loose the wight u want. And when he said it to her before this he was just being cute and referencing what he said earlier in the context of weight loss.

Just another way of thinking about it.

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For what it's worth, here's my take on "your body belongs to me." Young Ho has been rejected or abandoned basically his entire life by the people who should love and accept him the most (with the sole saving grace being Manager Min). I think that Young Ho was initially using that phrase as a way to try to protect himself - his attempt to ensure that she couldn't leave (at least in his mind). When he said it before the kiss, I think that it probably was his way of protecting himself from rejection (again, at least in his mind). In terms of power and control he has very little when it comes to his interactions with his grandmother and father. This type of dynamic can lead to a great amount of dysfunction (e.g. borderline personality disorder). He also has not seen very many (if any) healthy adult relationships. Is it any wonder that he's behaving like a child? This does not excuse the behavior, but this is what I used to explain it to myself - because, I too was initially thrown into the land of ick with that line.

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Think people are misinterpreting that phrase.

1st of all, it's been a long running "joke" btwn the 2, since JE had agreed that YH has control over what she eats, how much and what type of exercises, etc.

And prior - when YH became fascinated w/ JE's dimples and the talk about how JE lost the weight on her face and not her body - it showed that YH has yet to be successful in being the (body) "coach" and that JE was still in charge of her face.

Also, YH saying that " that men do other things when they’re only messing with a woman" is highly suggestive that while YH "owns" JE's body, he went for the face (a kiss), which not the 1st thing a guy who is seeking a "good time" goes for.

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I think so too. Maybe if it was phrased more like "Your body is my responsibility"? The delivery is important. It feels romantic not creepy to me.

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I live in NAmerican culture, and can see why it crosses in to 'Ick' ... but see this as overthinking that line.

The "I own your body" has been bantered and teased constantly throughout the drama ... and no way do I see Joo Eun as a lady who would stand for a forced kiss SHE does not want.

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Yeah, it was creepy for me too. I get that they were trying to make it romantic and sexy, but consent is sexy. I think we all know she's into him too and wouldn't have stopped him either way. Couldn't they have just played it the same way with less creepy talk??

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YES I have been waiting for this recap to come up too because I wanted to say the same thing!!!

I have no qualms about people saying "he's mine" or "she's mine" but the in order of which the events occurred--him saying when people play around they want to do more, then saying her body is his, and saying she can't say no, THEN kissing her--ugh I don't know it just left a bad taste in my mouth.

I was all for them kissing until he spoke. I understand Korean so I don't want to say it's a "lost in translation" or cultural thing. I see other people have reacted pretty strongly, either agreeing or not, but I do not think it was romantic at the moment and I wish the kiss happened under different circumstances. Why, So Ji Sub, why!

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first of all you all have to remember he is saying lines given to him...NOT SJS necessarily but his character so don't make it sound like it is something he would say himself...

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Yes, yes, I get that it's not suppose to be actually rapey. And I get that it's his way of teasing her. It was just uncomfortable to watch.

Not sure about the comments regarding how it's culturally related... 'cause this kind of scenes & dialogue exist in dramas everywhere, in a variety of cultures & languages.

It's just... I had to voice this complaint into the internet vacuum because it could've been such a 10000% swoon moment for me... all he had to do was not say anything. Would've died and went to heaven... until next Monday comes along.

And yes, I also understand that what's uncomfortable for one might be the best thing EVA to another.

Now... until next week!!!

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Seriously, after a year of lurking, this part has finally made me comment here.

Saying "You can't say no" is just bad, and it was so great until then. People are talking about interpretation and translation and culture, but seriously, it was icky.

Anyway, how incredibly sexy would it have been if he had just said "Your body belongs to me, but you can say no. Are you saying no to this?" then kissed her when she didn't say no.

Consent it sexy. And the way this was done was not sexy. Soooo disappointing, because this show is amazing.

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I'm not too bothered by it to be honest. I don't think we should take it literally or even YH means it in "that" way (possession, oppression etc). Since the beginning, his personality has always been teasing/playful towards JE. He could possible be teasing her since she agreed to have him as a COACH, and thus her body "belongs" to him, in that way? Makes sense? Perhaps it could be lost in translation? But really, the writer could've have him not say ANYTHING and just give her them sexy eyes and that was ENOUGH! His stares speaks 1000s words and more.

It's getting better, plot wise, but I feel like the writing is still rather amateurish? Plot holes here and there, SJS and SMA is definitely polling this drama together.

I also cannot help but feel like they should stop with the bromance, understanding its for comedic affect, but theres ZERO chemistry amongst three guys.

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He has used the "Your body belongs to me" line before. Twice, I think.

Yes, it had a different context, but it only means that clearly he's saying it as an excuse to kiss: a source of confidence.

I saw this coming since the first time he said it.

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Frankly, when I first heard the line, I thought it meant your body is my heart or something to that effect. But the translation turned out to be otherwise.

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I agree that it's off putting, but I think that in Korean culture those words don't have the same trigger-effect as in the West. In this case, I think it's just a half-jokey throwback to the whole 'your body is mine' line that's been used as a refrain throughout the drama, in a sexy kinda way, not rapey.

It reminds me of 'You're Beautiful' when Hwang Tae Kyung says Go Mi Nyeo 'I give you permission to like me'. It sounds gross until you remember that earlier on, she was wondering if she could ask her favourite star whether she could like it/him, and it's only just now occurred to him that he's the star she's talking about, not the celestial sphere he thought she was talking about. It's a throwback to an earlier conversation, and also in Korean it doesn't have the same feeling of overbearing masculine pride as it does in English - subtle things get lost in translation.

So in short (although this comment was long), it's best we just build a bridge and get over it, because this drama is heating up and I'm loving it!

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So ji sub owning it ..I am here for the kisses
I was never deep to begin with ..

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Oh, in that case, can I just say that I'm here waiting for SJS to take another broody bath like he did in ep 1? ?
Story? What story?

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Haha!

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haha. can't leave without leaving a comment cuz, hell yeaaaahh, i want it too!

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@kdaddict I will definitely prefer without the stupid towel this time ?

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omo! :)

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Sumee,
Nosebleed....

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The three guys need to go to a bath house. AMIRITE??

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That'd be Non-stop Nosebleed....

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The expressions on their faces when they get to the "restaurant" was hilarious.

This ep was way too cute. Im enjoying the relationship she has with her 3 guys.

Thanks for the recap.

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I've been reloading my page waiting for the recap to drop thanks they are so fun.!

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Thanks for the recap! I love this episode and that kiss...omg!!! KJH is so sweet and I'm in love with him period.
I like the fact that the weight loss is gradual and credible, when I loose weight the first sign really is my face!
The only thing that is bothering me is the year 2014... but enjoying this show so much! :)

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To be honest, I just love how Joo eun is so assertive and confident. Despite her appearance changing, she still stays true to herself and that I think is a very important issue going on right now. As many people feel insecure about themselves and worried about how others think, I think Joo eun sets a great example of how you can deal with that problem. She stays herself and yet, that is why she still has many people on her side. And with a helping hand, Young ho, she is able to change and mature along the way.

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I think the "your body belongs to me" thing had to be viewed in its cultural context. As an African American woman over 50, part of what I like about Korean dramas is they express themselves the way that my community did pre-1980's. Calling each other "my woman" and "my man", etc. In fact, I'm not even bothered by the "wrist grab" UNLESS, of course, it's somebody the heroine doesn't want to wrist-grab her. Then I'm like "just dig your heels in woman!"

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I felt the same way about the wording. Thanks for explaining it , Beez!

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Yes! Thank you for this comment.
If people want to watch these shows, they shouldn't be criticizing the culture just because it doesn't match their ideals.

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People so often criticise certain behavior in these KDs based on western politically correct feminism, and feel indignant or a sense of superiority, forgetting that these KDs are not a part of that culture. It is so often a matter of (mis)interpretation from a cross-cultural lens.

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I always read comments, but I rarely made one. But I wanted to say thank you @KDaddict, you and only few others made this thread fun!!

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Makes sense. The part that bothered me wasn't that but "you can't say no."

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Although I have to say, I wasn't concerned about the character. I don't think he meant anything bad. I just thought it wasn't swoony.

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"You can't say no."

I think Young Ho is borrowing Joo Eun's wordings here. It is Kang Joo Eun Day, Yong Ho's trio has to live like Kang Joo Eun for a day and Yong Ho can't say no to Joo Eun's missions for them.

Just like "Your body is mine", I believe "You can't say no" is Young Ho's way of teasing Joo Eun. No bad intention involved.

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Thanks Beez. Also, I wonder if it has something to do with the idea of "taking responsibility" for someone else that is mentioned in other dramas.

The thing that actually did bother me a little was the word "guardian" at the police station. I understand having a guardian at the hospital, and even women can be guardians in Kdramas, but I was confused when the officers asked if Young-Ho was her guardian at the station because she's over thirty. Is this a thing?

All said and done though, much love to Korean culture and to this story. So so fun and sweet. Too much love to hate it!

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Meaning, I have too much love for it, so I can't pick it apart. It just makes me curious. ☺️

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A lot of the underlying tones around Kdramas is the overwhelming tone of masculinity and the men being the controller of the situation, thus the "your body is mine" is just an exertion of this commonly cultural accepted controlling behaviour. It's a constant in KDs, but it's ok in that context because Korea is a country which enlists men in the army and men are since as the bread winners in the households. It wasn't too creepy to me, because I think the "your body is mine" was originally said from the point of view of a personal trainer, which makes sense, then now YH extends it to the context of a man to a woman. It makes logical sense from that perspective but then again if you only hear that line on its own, it does get misleading. Anyway, I am swooning over SJS, his gaze and fascination with her dimples is so cute.

I have dimples, I wish a man swoon over mine :P

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So agree with this!

I watch KDramas because they are not real life...If I wanted real life, I'd watch the news or live my boring life!!!The coincidences and the machinations that happen in dramas do not happen in real life.

I sometimes want a man who takes the decision out of my hands, who is good looking and I'm pretty sure I will end up with but in my "real" life, I don't think I can have that or he will charged with harassment or assault.

I think dramas are a safe way for me to realize my perfect fantasies without fear of being the actual victim of a wrist grab from someone whom I am not attracted to, or a "stolen" kiss from an icky person.

So get off your high horses and just ride with it, you girls almost made me fall off my rainbow unicorn!!

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Same here! As another women over 50, his comments feel perfectly normal to me - not oppressive, because the woman has the choice to either accept them (lean in and enjoy that kiss) or reject them (laugh, "as if!" and turn away). And they make perfect sense in the context. Yes words can sometimes be weapons but words are also a way to try and suss out the boundaries of a relationship - how else are you supposed to figure it out? Words are a tool, and it should be up to the couple to determine which words are OK and which ones aren't. Do I really want some outside arbiter telling me what I can say, and when? As if.

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Thanks, yupz I see that line spoken in that context too, and I live in NAmerican feministic culture.
And they have been teasing with that line since the beginning - it doesn't have the tone of forcefulness.

If we really went to debate this - guys saying she's mine, that's not acceptable, but worse! Who the heck do you tnink you are, master?

IF she was not into him - ok, that line is not cool. But I think they both are realizing they do feel something for each other, and it's NOT like Joo Eun is not kickass and the wimpy submissive type who would allow it even if she does NOT welcome this.
He wldn't even have been attracted to her otherwise - he likes her strong determined personality

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Anyone else notice how Young Ho was already staring at her in a similar manner here when she was running in the rain out of the hospital in the first episode? I also love how he mentions to Henry that it's a shame she lost her chubby cheeks because they were cute. Clearly, he's found her attractive and interesting way before her weight loss.

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Yes, missing the chubby cheeks! That was a favourite bit for me too! I think he's been into her from the beginning (which is why he couldn't get her out of his head). He's certainly been playing with her from day 1 ('outer space' hotel rooms and all).

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Yeah that stuck out to me as well! I feel the way SJS is playing is meant to show subtly that he's liked her from the start. I thought ep 5 did good in showing his interest in her has been there for a while. I like their rapport, it's teasing and cute but also feels natural. Like he's a nag about things but it feels balanced.
I miss the chubby cheeks too! She's adorable either way though because of her personality.

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I just love the "We're going to see my ideal woman..." scene, he was kind of impressed with her courage many times before (like the umbrella scene), so lets your ideal woman teach some moves! ;-) The instant teasing it's so cute.

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Yes, it doesn't have the superficial shallowness which I eventually found lacking in the 200 Pound Beauty romance, even as I enjoyed the movie.

He fell for the AFTER product, and not for her.

Whereas Young Ho is already liking HER as a person, outward beauty or not. The dimple just confirmed it for him, even as he tsk-tsking her over everything, including her jutting belly.

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"You can't say no"

You said ? YES, SHE FUCKING CAN. Even if you are So Ji Sub, that's not hot.

Please, Korean writers, please drop these bullshit lines. He could just be quiet and lean in 90% like any normal human would, and it'd still be as romantic.

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Totally agree! That line really bothered me. It's this kind of crap that perpetuates a culture of rape. And I also agree it was totally unnecessary to the scene.

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The most offensive part of your comments, is not only the ignorance that you show, but the superior attitude that comes from the feminist Western frame of mine.

For you people, to go out of your way, and read into a characters frame of mind something that is not there, is quite disturbing. Seems like you are watching a total different drama than the one I am watching.

There has been no evidence in the part of the male character, the he is a sexual predator, nor that he has taking any liberties, other than the ones the female characters has allowed for him to have, and the flirting has gone both ways for what I can see.

But to call fire where there is no smoke, is not only foolish, but immature, and it shows your utter lack of understanding of other cultures, and the inter-reaction between the sexes, last but not least, I would be very afraid to say Hi! to you, least I will be accused of sexual harassment!!!!

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"The most offensive part of your comments, is not only the ignorance that you show, but the superior attitude that comes from the feminist Western frame of mine.

For you people, to go out of your way, and read into a characters frame of mind something that is not there, is quite disturbing. Seems like you are watching a total different drama than the one I am watching."

LOL Even if you aren't one, this is such koreaboo logic...

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Well said Amg1...I was taken a back for some the comments (I actually check if I'm still reading the OMV comments or something else) not to say that women's right is not important but what the character said was totally taken out of context . People needs to chill there is a lot more important issues in the world that you can be more passionate about (how about world peace).On my POV some of us are just too sensitive or making Young-ho dialogue into something else when it's not intended to be (sexual-assault) his action did not suggest otherwise ,his kiss was very soft and gentle.You have to look at the physical not only verbal cues before you decide that "oh he's gonna rape her" really?? Gosh with all the comments about rape I thought people are talking an
episode of Criminal Minds. Please don't look for something that's not there and just enjoy the awesomeness of SMN and SJS. Let's enjoy this drama even just a couple of hours/week (break from all the craziness happening in the world right now) Happy Holidays

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Wow, your comment is so over the top! This is not a feminist western attitude to say the line sucks and it shows disrespect even if that is not the character's intention. It shows a total lack of understanding of how most women would be creeped out. And before I get yelled at for my lack of cultural awareness, I'll present my credentials. I'm Asian Indian and have lived in India, Japan, Singapore, and the US.

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Yeah, I always laugh when commenters assume that everyone else here must be Western/American...

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I am so sorry for hurting your little feelings!

Get over it!!!!!! If you do not like what this drama is showing go some place else and complaint.

I will not be deter by a bunch of females crying Rape, when there is non. You have not prove your point here, I gave clear explanation, that at no point the male character has engage in a sexual assault, the fact that he used that terminology does not make him a sexual predator.

And Ill said it again, I feel sorry for the man that interact with you on a daily basis, being double guess at all times, if they give you a compliment of any sort, to be misconstrued as sexual assault!!!!!!

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P.S.....You do not have to be born in the West, to acquired a feminist Western frame of mine!!!!! And that has nothing to do with Respect, but with the emasculation of the male gender, and that is something I do not take lightly....

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I'm Indian and feminist. I didn't find this demeaning. You know why? Because the context is being blown out of proportion and guess what, he's been saying that since he started getting serious about her regime and she was OKAY with it. He just turned it romantic and because he could read physical cues unlike some of us, he went in for it.

She allowed it. In case you missed it, rewatch it. I didn't see her flailing her hands trying to push him off.

Nothing wrong. Stop making everything a gender issue. This is not social activism but social overreaction. And it IS a feminist western attitude where one thinks their definition of feminism is to show other cultures as not being as liberal and forward thinking. All this Korean writers business.

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Agree as an Indian... I am Indian, from the Northheast (towards China, Bhutan and Burma) and kind of has a clue and understanding (I guess like most people here) of the East Asian attitude and expression of romance. Oh! I am a feminist (in many ways) too and understands Korean a bit and yes, things are being blown out of proportion here.

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@iluvleeminho Demeaning? No. The words weren't demeaning. And yes in the context of this drama - their entire day/weeks of flirting - that kiss was inevitable (and very welcome). But while the phrase "your body is mine" has previously been established as a joke between the two and therefore can be argued to be non-creepy, saying "you can't say no" just before establishing sexual contact was just plain wrong.

In the current global atmosphere of consent awareness, it was wrong. This was the kind of dialogue that people would find romantic in an uncomplicated way a few years ago and would never think to question a few decades ago. But people are changing and it's a good thing. So Ji Sub's Young Ho is not a rapist or a predator or anything scary and horrible. He's a guy, who really likes a girl. And the girl likes him back.

But it's in these simple moments between perfectly normal people that consent often goes ignored. That's why people are so riled up here. Because this is a good example of what not to do.

The writers set up the scene perfectly. Young Ho leaned in slowly and Joo Eun had plenty of time to stop him. No one is accusing him of molesting her. And yes, a thousand times yes, of course he's joking. He's not ACTUALLY saying she can't say no.

But our society has a history of men (who genuinely love us dammit) not really giving us a chance to say no, or taking our reluctance seriously. And it's not their fault. It's cultural conditioning. Both men and women have it. So in this time of people trying to change that - to make people understand that taking an extra moment to be sure that your partner is on the same page as you - for a contemporary drama to have a scene where the one initiating a kiss tells the other that she can't say no (EVEN AS A JOKE) is just not right.

/Rant over
(Fellow Indian and feminist)

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Thank You. :)

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Exactly, who says the Western lens is the only and correct lens to view the world? Besides the world is not black and white, there is grey in this world.

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I SUPER LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS EPISODE SO MUCH!
i just literally was screaming like a fan girl girl when this episode came out.
does anyone know the song they used in the kissing scene?

I ALSO LOVE the part wherein Young-Ho was gonna exercise his knees/legs then Joo-Eun was on top of the exercise machine telling Young-Ho & Joon-Sung to step off the exercise-machine then Young-Ho motioning his head to Joon-Sung to step off BUT HE DOESN'T .... i was like OMG he's kinda imagining Joo-Eun now like how Joo-Eun was having an "imaginary-strict-Young-Ho" when she was starting to loose her weight in episode 4

what is making me curious me is could that be Joon-Sung's real mom who doesn't want to see him anymore? also could it be that his SCARS on his body where from an abusive father?

i'm also wondering why didn't Young-ho's dad didn't moved out when he re-married STEPMOM? well after all STEPMOM & her son ain't BLOOD-related anymore to grandma & Young-Ho...

i really having this gut feeling of that there will be a topic/theme about women being abused (some kinda domestic violence on women) and also this gut feeling that Joo-Eun's expertise as a LAWYER and her good beliefs in life will come into use to help those people who are experiencing domestic-violence/being abused by someone....

thank you for this episode recap too!

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Good observation. Joo Eun also said in an earlier episode that she can represent any case as a lawyer except ones involving abuse. Hmmm... could it be another connection?

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I think you are right on in the direction this show is taking.
First they dealt with stalking to show how little the police will do to help. Then they mentioned her friend Hyun joo's
mother or MIL was black and blue for some reason. Then they showed Sung joon's mother(?) about to be beaten by her drunk husband. Plot points are starting to line up.

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i'm also super curious as to the song in the kissing scene!! i tried searching on melon and naver and i can't find anything at all :( i can only hope that it's a ost track that they haven't released yet?

anyway let me know if you do find out what that song is! i really like it :)

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Regardless of how sympathetically they try to portray Oh Soo Jin, the fact is she's still petty. She might not be the archetypal frenemy, but she's exceedingly fixated on Joo Eun instead of living her best life.

If getting Woo Shik was mostly about her having a crush on him for all those years, she should feel SUPER icky that all it took for him to switch his feelings from Joo Eun to her is a weight shift.

The fact that she now knows that there was much more about Joo Eun than her pretty face that Woo Shik fell in love with makes her all the more sad. I'm not rooting for SJ or WS to be happy because they are extremely shallow people who deserve a world of hurt in order to be redeemed.

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This episode was so Squee! Young Ho is totally looking at Joo Eun with major heart eyes. They're so adorable. Cannot say that enough. Love them.

Loved Young Ho seeing visions of Joo Eun the way she does him. So cute. The boys dressing up in suits for her only to show up at a fast food joint was too funny. But damn did they look fine!

I didn't really understand Woo Shik/Joo Eun's conversation. He said she looked good, but the 'destroy yourself' comment was about when she was still fat? I thought the subtitles were a bit off, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention to tone. Also when she said 'think about what's changed from 15 years ago till now' she was saying because now we've broken up, right? Gah, I felt like it was saying 'we've grown up, we've changed, but the core of who we are is still the same' what's really different is that we're no longer together. I know we're not meant to be rooting for Woo Shik so it's not surprising that I don't have good feelings about his relationship with Joo Eun but I feel like even when they got together there wasn't much there. I'm very happy that Joo Eun gets a chance to be an adult as a single person and not part of a couple.

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I am also feeling that quite a bit is lost in translation with this drama. I have be watching kdrama's for many years but have not often experienced the subs as being a bit awkward. I am wondering if the fault is in the actual Korean dialogue. I particularly have trouble understanding what is going on with the young sidekick who supposedly speaks English.

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<but I feel like even when they got together there wasn’t much there

Yes, I always thought the start of their relationship was odd.

And now the fact that after 15 years, she got angry at him once and then is pretty much instantly over it. She'll yell at him at the police station, but it still feels like they had no close relationship at all (maybe that's how it was, though JE's mom's reaction suggests otherwise). I mean, 15 years is a bloody long time. Basically half her life!

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I think when she said "think about what's changed" she was talking about herself, rather than their relationship. Sure, she gained some weight, but she accomplished her goal to be a lawyer! Woo Shik only remembered that she put on some weight during that time, but Eun Joo never forgot that she was awesome in the first place and just kept getting better as a person!
I mean, the drama kind of sold her as a superhero, Daegu's Venus and whatnot, but what I really liked about Eun Joo as a high schooler was that she didn't have a weird complex about her looks then. She knew she was pretty (and it was so refreshing to see a heroine who wasn't completely ignorant regarding her own attractiveness!), but that wasn't who she was.
I think their short conversation carries the heart of the show. When people judge Eun Joo for being overweight, they don't see all the ways that she's really great, like her independence, hardworking attitude, optimism, and loyalty to her friends and family. Even her boyfriend of 15 years forgot what made her awesome, but Eun Joo didn't.
Can you tell I'm a big fan? Eun Joo, please be my noona!

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I am interested in finding out more about Woo Shik and Joo Eun's prior relationship. I agree that 15 years is a long time especially as it was during a period they grew into adults.
Woo Shik was the pursuer and seems to have been the one who loved more. When and why did he fall out of love?
Joo Eun's ability to sever such a long term relationship so fully says something about her character. "You are dead to me" She isn't interested in his lingering, conflicted feelings.

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He may have been a pursuer ... BUT note - he didn't know her, and he fell for her, like after a couple of days of meeting her and declared she was the love of his life or something!

He didn't really know her.
That is revealing about him = his core is fundamentally shallow.

While he may be 'nice' somewhat as he has a sense of decency regarding her friend back then ... and sticking around for Joo Eun ... maybe his EGO is also somewhat injured that she seems to have recovered almost instantly from their breakup which he initiated.

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Let's not jump on the SJW train just yet. You have to realize that there are nuances and connotations that may be lost in translation or even mistranslated. I'm Asian, and I can think of a few phrases that sound so wrong and creepy when translated to English from my language. So many people can't seem to comprehend that cultural differences exist. I think we could all benefit from being more open instead of jumping the gun.

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"So many people can't seem to comprehend that cultural differences exist"--SO TRUE OMG.

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+1 :)

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I'm so bothered that I don't know what SJW stands for. T___T Help.

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Social Justice Warrior

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Thanks!

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Loved this episode again! The whole thing was mostly awesome. But for some reason Young Ho's last line before kissing her turned me off to the kiss a little. He basically said your body is mine and you can't say "no". Which as hot and sexy so ji sub is ..telling me I don't have the right to say "no" rubs me the wrong way and is a total mood killer. Maybe I'm being sensitive but that last little part just had red flags all over it and feeds into rape culture. Don't get me wrong I'm so so happy they kissed but if only he didn't say the "you can't say no" part at the very end it would've been 10000 times better. I'm sure the writer didn't mean it but still..wish he didn't say it.

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Why does everything kill moods and feed into rape culture nowadays. Yes, you're being sensitive.

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Yep! Nothing can ruin episode 6 for me. Period.

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I agree with you, BattleAngel. It bothered me too.

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Meant that as a reply to yeah's comment.

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i am guessing when Young-Ho said "Your body is mine and yo can't say no." is his way of saying he likes Joo-Eun....BUT CANNOT SAY yet the real exact words "I like/love you" yet ! i don't mind Young-Ho saying that
(HEY ITS DRAMALAND...lets have a wild & happy imaginations for the meantime).....
it's also one of the SOFTEST KISSING SCENE i have seen in the k-dramas i have watched.

Now i'm kinda waiting on how will he handle the chaebol part, if ever he was exposed as John Kim what will he do?, will grandma accept Joo-Eun? and how to protect himself & his relationship with Joo-Eun (IF EVERRRRR) from his CRUEL INSENSITIVE DAD & power-hungry people from GAHONG

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"Young-ho ruins the mood by pointing out that people lose weight from the top down, and her tummy hasn’t changed. Ugh, stop while you’re ahead."

Why ughh? He's helping her lose weight. He doesn't want her success to get to her head especially since the first couple of weeks are when you lose the most weight. If she gets too happy she might slack off and/or become discouraged when she's not seeing progress as fast as she did.

I love this show but two things kinda bug me just a little bit about this episode.
1. He fell for her super quickly. How long have they known each other now? I loved the kiss but...
2. "You can't say no." was really jarring to hear. I understand the "you're body is mine"- its cute and I know its jokey and I've heard that a lot but "you can't say no" is something I've never really heard in a cutesy/joking way before.

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I'm with you on #1 - his attraction seemed to happen off screen and all of a sudden he's kissing her. Didn't feel the attraction building at all so it's totally jarring and felt like it came out of nowhere. Basically I don't think this is a very good drama but I'm really just here (as I think many are) for the hotness.

Also, I don't like her much. She's not very nice, seems conceited (but in a way that she's actually insecure) and seems like she plays games (like in the first episode her then-BF calls and she seems to be deliberately mean to him instead of excited - maybe as a way to feel in control in the relationship). In real life I would find her annoying.

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Totally agree with you. I find the main female character quite annoying !!!
Not only in the old relationship, and her 'policing' others fellow students, but also in the new relationship with her coach .....

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See I find it interesting that you say he fell for her quickly, I feel like it's been building up, but maybe you're right in that we've only really seen it in this episode (and maybe last one).

I feel that all his talk in the last ep (ep 5) about her missing him, him tweaking her jealously over Anna Sue, him asking her to send him videos (mentioning porn). I feel like those are all ways to make her think about him 'that' way. In this ep it's particularly clear that she's on his mind because of him imagining her on 'Joo Eun Day', and given that her poses are pretty seductive -that's all his imagination!

I can see why you might see it as quick but I'm loving it! So much.

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I think so, too. It seems to fit with his personality as a leader, trainer, and medical practitioner. Even with his knee issue - they could have dragged that out for days, but once he feels there is a problem, he swiftly decides to go to the hospital and take care of it. And he isn't shy - like when he confronted the police at the station.

I think that there is slow build to his attraction to her at first, where his body seems to figure it out before his mind, like when he keeps making physical contact with her. And then later, he misses her enough to make excuses to see her (the videos). However, once she is so thoughtful with him, giving him such a sweet gift, his feelings seems to click into place and he swoops in. I think he's decisive.

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Totally agree! Yep, the touching, the suggestive comments. He can't get her out of his head, I love it. You're right once he figures it out, he goes for it. I wonder if we're going to get a pull back next episode though, can this show avoid such a classic kdrama trope when it's broken the norm by having a reciprocated kiss so soon?

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Oh dear, I hope not. They haven't made Young-ho mean, or EJ's self image totally about her weight, and even Woo-Shik is believable, so I think they might avoid the cliche and give us real problems instead. Fingers-crossed!

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<He fell for her super quickly.

How much time has passed? I was sort of going by a couple of weeks, but I'm no longer sure, mostly because she lost 15 kilos already?

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I don't think it's at all meant to sound rapey. He started saying it as her trainer because she had to give herself over completely and follow she rules for changing her body. Although I would've preferred him to say he would make her heart his too, I can understand where it came from.

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I agree with you , it's not like he just suddenly made the statement , he had said it before in relating to her training. I didn't get any rapey vibes . I was thinking about the heart part too,

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I love the pacing of this drama!! I saw a comment before that said that the drama was boring, but I'm finding it really fast paced!

I'm glad that the emotions are already under way and making progress! It was really fun to see the boys be like Joo Eun for a day. I couldn't stop giggling. I also laughed at the fact that a "Joo Eun" day is one of my lazy days! Hahaha. The boys looked so good in those suits, for it second there it seemed like a different drama. :)

Woo Shik is actually a nice guy! It was a pleasant surprise to see him stand up for Soo Jin. I'm glad he's turning out to be an okay guy. He just needs to lay off stalking his ex so much.

I was so frustrated with the fast scene change during the massage chair part! I felt like he kept pushing the button and she kept getting close to him - then blam scene change. I don't think what Young Ho says to Joo Eun is in a bad way. I'm sure that his character would respect it if Joo Eun said no to his advances.

With this said, I giggled so much during the kiss scene! I don't think I've giggled so much for a kiss scene in a bit. The umbrella added the perfect touch! It wasn't a kiss scene but the only scene that I felt the same giddiness for was in "She Was Pretty" when Sung Joon dragged out Hye Jin on her office chair. :D

I can't wait for the nest episodes! I hope this drama doesn't start to lag in the middle. I'm looking forward to see how Joo Eun and Young Ho move forward with their romance! <3

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I'm not the only one offended by it obviously but as soft as its said from a hottie hot hot guy like so ji sub telling someone they can't say "no" when it's involving their body sexually is NEVER ok. EVER. Period. It's ALWAYS a woman or mans right to say no. Even if they are naked and ready to do it or even doing it already. Once one partner says "no" or "stop" it should stop. If the other person doesn't stop it is wrong. Doesn't matter if you're BF/GF or even married.

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I agree 100%. I do think it was said in a teasing manner. But it should never be like that. I do think that his character would respect her saying no. I mean, I really hope so. I hope this was just bad writing and Young Ho will gradually stop saying these things. While they are not meant to have a negative context, it can still leave a sour feeling for some people.

It would be great it Joo Eun actually brings this up to him personally and tells him to stop saying things like that (I highly, highly doubt this would happen though).

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Thanks for the recap Lollypip!

I too want to know more about Woo-shik's motives and it would be interesting to see a flashback on what went wrong in his relationship with Joo-eun. Like a poster mentioned on the previous recap, I had assumed Woo-shik wanted a trophy girlfriend and that being the ''National Swimmer'' required in his point of view an equally 'best/brillant girlfriend.' But what we've learnt in this episode, just doesn't jibe well with that image. Is he following Joo-eun to get a lead on Young-ho's activities for his boss?

Joon-sung : Is his birth mother, the woman that babysits for Joo-eun's friend? I didn't see clearly in the episode, if that is true, did she give him up to protect him from the abusive husband?
As JMC mentioned above, I get the feeling Joo-eun would be asked to step in this case for Joon-Sung, or for abused women in general.

I was little shocked at how quickly the OTP kissed but considering they have been working together physically, the intimate relationship with a PT and client, it makes sense.
The dimple thing was cute and how YH was utterly charmed by it. I don't think I've ever been so envious of dimples, and I already have them....

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Joon-sung : Is his birth mother, the woman that babysits for Joo-eun’s friend? I didn’t see clearly in the episode, if that is true, did she give him up to protect him from the abusive husband?

em...true true, I thought they were also the same person since the friend mentioned the bruises that woman was receiving. There's probably a connection to be revealed later!

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I'd say in KDramaland, the kiss is just a milder way of expressing their utmost feelings for someone. I bet if this was a movie, they would've thrown themselves at each other when they did the jujitsu practice. I mean, they're both in their thirties (correct me if I'm wrong) and very much aware of err things. But only because this in KDramaland that they managed to suppress their feelings that much? Haha

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And.....here I thought he said, "I don't eat crabs" instead of carb.

Hahahaha

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I really find YoungHo super adorable whenever he's with JooEun. Ugh. I'm gonna let the "you're body is mine, you can't say no" slide just because I know she's attracted to him and she's been thinking about the accidental kiss with YH. Huhu. But still that line's unnecessary. Sigh, anyway.

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And...here I thought he said crabs instead of cabs. Hahaha

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I thought he said crabs too!! hahahaha

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Just had to chime in that I absolutely loved the little touch that Ji-woong made sure to wear glasses similar to Joo-eun's for "Kang Joo-eun Day!" I love his total commitment to trying to give her the reward day that he feels she deserves.

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@cutecutecute aw, I didn't make the connection! They are cute. I love how both Ji Woong and the Korean Snake (Joon Sung?) have her back with Young Ho for 'Joo eun Day'. I love them together, they're so cute.

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Oh, I didn't notice till you mentioned it. Actually those harry potter glasses don't have lens, so I seriously wonder it's the true purpose of those. Those glasses are a bit annoying for me. I mean those glasses were probably a motif used to emphasis how JE hides behind something to indicate her lack of confidence. But staring at glasses without lenses are getting weirder and weirder for me by episode.

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Hard to tell with kdramas. Sometimes tv shows (The New Girl US comes to mind) have their characters wearing glasses with no lenses because of the reflection, but they're still supposed to be people who need corrective lenses. Sometimes kdramas have characters that use glasses with no lenses as a fashion statement (like in Angry Mom). I think Joo Eun needs glasses, but I think Henry/Ji Woong may be wearing glasses as a fashion statement. :)

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IDK, I understand what previous comments are saying about SJS's last line, but I didn't take the "your body is mine" line seriously because he's being saying that since episode 4 ans nobody batted an eye. In regards to him saying "you can't say no", well yea, that line was unnecessary, but it's no different from a lot of the lines and actions said by male leads in other dramas. I am not trying to measure, but if we had to pick, I still think SJS's character is better than 90-95% of male leads at this point in the drama.

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Yeah that's basically my feeling on this.

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