Youths Over Flowers in Africa: Episode 5
by girlfriday
javabeans: Well, it finally happened and a Na PD show got hit with criticism after last week’s episode aired. It’s mostly settled by now and it feels like people are ready to move on, but for a few days there was a wave of discontent over what audiences perceived as unmannerly behavior by the youths, from wearing their bathrobes to a hotel restaurant to taking off their underwear in the pool.
girlfriday: Basically the Korean audience felt embarrassed that they were being represented by these guys in a foreign country, which I can understand, and the producers were taking some heat for leaving that footage in and letting that behavior fly with a “youths will be youths” mentality.
javabeans: I could see it either way, because I did also feel a little taken aback that they were so free about it, probably because most of the Over Flowers cast members are so much on the other spectrum of being circumspect, humble, and conscious of not wanting to be a bad example. It felt like the backlash was a little strong, but I also understand that people felt “Ugly Korean” behavior (as in, the rude foreigner) was cringeworthy.
girlfriday: I don’t think this cast did anything particularly terrible, but they’re maybe just a little more like regular guys — carefree, thoughtless at times, more concerned with having fun than worrying about how they appear to others. The thing that drives me batty is their lack of basic preparation, like firewood and iceboxes, and just relying on other people to help them out.
javabeans: Although as celebrities, maybe they could have been more careful — maybe this was a good learning experience for them as rookie stars.
girlfriday: Yeah I’m sure it will be.
javabeans: I thought it was interesting (and a little funny) that when the last episode aired, there was a LOT of criticism aimed at the boys from the fans, and I mean tens of thousands of comments. But when this episode aired and the press then went in for Round 2 by pointing out that there was no apology (just a cursory “We’re sorry it offended you, we’ll be more careful” message from producers), the fans had come back around to “Oh give it a rest, they’re sorry, let’s move on now. Media, you’re being unreasonable.”
girlfriday: Haha, the media is just always one step behind. Mostly when it comes to Korean variety shows, one apology acknowledging the lapse in judgment is enough.
javabeans: I did also wonder whether this was indicative of a sort of turning point with Na PD shows. They’re not necessarily getting any worse, but the shine has come off, and I think the fan response reflects that — they’re a little less impressed with the same old, and maybe a little more easily bored.
girlfriday: I think the Over Flowers series has settled into a very expected groove, so now there’s an obvious setup being recycled and fans can compare seasons against each other, making the whole thing less interesting overall when you’re in the ninth or tenth iteration.
javabeans: I have to admit that this Africa season has been my least favorite, and I don’t think it’s for any specific reason, only that it feels a little obvious by now. Also, Joon-yeol is so capable that there’s not that much fun in watching them figure their way around, and Bo-gum is the only one who struggles with things, which is why he has my favorite moments.
girlfriday: Yeah I do think this particular season is more about riding the wave of Answer Me popularity than anything, and probably has less of an identifiable Youths Over Flowers-specific thing about it. I don’t know what that thing is, but there’s just something lacking.
javabeans: I definitely feel that lack. There’s an overall warmth that I’m used to feeling, a poignancy or heartfelt quality that I don’t quite get — it’s more like we’re just watching four dudes on a road trip.
girlfriday: It’s enough to make me think that Na PD is taking a backseat on this one, like he’s overseeing but not editing it himself.
javabeans: Maybe, because it’s sort of the way 1N2D dipped after he stepped away, even with the same cast and setup. Or — dare I say it? — maybe Na PD is not infallible. We do sort of hold him to ridiculous standards of excellence. He could be tired!
girlfriday: Lol, that’s entirely possible. Take a nap, Na PD! Come back in the summer refreshed and with the halbaes!
javabeans: But all in all, I think the minor storm has blown over by now because fans recognize that the boys weren’t being malicious, just that they were unwise. It reminds me how I saw a headline this week marking Joon-yeol’s one-year anniversary of his debut as an actor, which is nuts. His year must have been the wildest ride.
girlfriday: Yeah talk about an overnight sensation. I’m sure there’s a learning curve to fame and fanlove too.
javabeans: Anywayyyyyy, back to the episode. We resume with the boys on safari, eyes peeled for their first glimpse of a lion, with the promise of a shirt for the winner.
girlfriday: I say we just give the shirt to Kyung-pyo, so he doesn’t have to keep wearing that women’s tank top.
javabeans: Hey, at least he’s laundering it!
girlfriday: So far, the most nerve-racking part of this drive is when Bo-gum has to park for lunch.
javabeans: Intending to cook up some pasta, they head inside an empty restaurant and just ask, “Can I borrow your gas range?” Oh my goodness, this does drive me nuts. I know they don’t mean anything bad by it, but they’re just so… I don’t know… it seems entitled?
girlfriday: It’s just bizarre that they think it’s okay to walk into a restaurant and borrow the kitchen. I mean, what?
javabeans: It’s partly the language barrier that makes the request so blunt, but they don’t seem adequately mortified by the necessity of the request. They just tell the bewildered employee, “We want to cook our lunch. We don’t have fire, so we [want] to use gas.”
girlfriday: They’re just lucky that they always run into nice people who are willing to let them use their stoves.
javabeans: I don’t know if they’d get such luck if they didn’t have a camera crew with them.
girlfriday: That’s probably true. I’m just still stuck on why they can’t buy firewood.
javabeans: Or an icebox. They find the mushrooms looking suspect… although they decide to include them anyway because they might not be bad and “We won’t die.”
girlfriday: ACK. That’s not comforting!
javabeans: They cook up their pasta soup, and then sit down at a table in the restaurant. Ack. I feel like I’m watching my little brothers and I want to reach into the TV and knock some sense (and etiquette) into them. I love you, but no!
girlfriday: Man, I hope the staff bought something there. I’m just going to keep thinking that to make myself feel better.
javabeans: I think they do, because a staffer comes over to offer leftovers from their lunch. And despite Jae-hong having just said that he’s satisfied with their dish and not at all envious of the crew’s food, he sure enjoys that food, ha.
girlfriday: I kinda want to see Jae-hong do a guest stint on Three Meals a Day. He seems better suited for that show.
javabeans: He should go on Fishing Village with Chajumma and be his apprentice.
girlfriday: That would be adorable, and probably infuriating for Chajumma. Love it.
javabeans: Couldn’t you just see wifey Yoo Hae-jin getting jealous of the attention Chajumma was giving to his new buddy?
girlfriday: I’m pretty sure Chajumma would be smart enough to make sure Yoo Hae-jin was always loved the same amount. He seems very attuned to Hae-jin’s feelings at all times, like they’re actually married.
javabeans: That’s true. It’s why we love them so much.
girlfriday: After lunch, Jae-hong gets behind the wheel as they continue their safari game. I really love how much Bo-gum likes to sing and dance in the car. It’s so cute.
javabeans: They pause at a lookout point to snap some photos, then continue driving and encounter more animals: an elephant, a flock of flamingos, a couple of giraffes that cross right in front of the car. No lions yet, though.
girlfriday: They arrive at their campsite by sunset, and I’m relieved that this place has outdoor grills that they can use with their charcoal.
javabeans: Did they just… leave all that raw meat in the trunk of their car all day?
girlfriday: Yeah I don’t want to know the answer to that question. Joon-yeol: “Should we smell the meat?” Jae-hong: “Don’t smell it.”
javabeans: That’s such a dude way to handle it. They’d rather risk food poisoning than be safe and go hungry. Apparently it tastes good, although I suppose that won’t keep you from getting sick.
girlfriday: A staffer asks if they’re not sick of meat every day, and Joon-yeol admits readily that they are sick of it. But I think they’re pretty limited in terms of what they can cook on an outdoor grill, hence the daily bbq party.
javabeans: As Bo-gum cooks up meat with Kyung-pyo, he mentions going back to work right away when he gets home, and shares that once he’d told his father that work was hard. Dad had reminded him that he’s doing what he’s always wanted to be doing, which put things back in perspective for him.
girlfriday: It does really seem like his “be thankful” attitude is real, like it’s from his daily life. Side note: I can’t believe he’s still eating. That boy eats a lot.
javabeans: Jae-hong seems to take particular care in looking after his hoobaes, and Kyung-pyo explains how Jae-hong looked after him a lot when they were at school, him being four years older. They’ve known each other for seven years now, and we get a montage of their close brotherly moments on the trip.
girlfriday: Jae-hong interviews that he would like to stay friends till the end, and Kyung-pyo gets teary-eyed as he says he feels the same way, and how grateful he is for hyung.
javabeans: They settle down for the night, and in the morning they get ready and see that they are completely out of food. Joon-yeol jokes that they’ll have to hunt, and licks some of their MSG salt.
girlfriday: They really are the worst planners in the history of ever. How do you just run out of food?
javabeans: Shouldn’t they have protein bars or backup food or something? They bought raw meat, some salt, and a pot. For now they pack up and head out of the national park, continuing on the road to their eventual destination, Victoria Falls. They stop for a fast-food lunch and look up lodgings for tonight, and then Kyung-pyo asks for everyone’s opinions on whether they need to eat dinner. Ack, are you running out of money already?
girlfriday: Oh noes. I know I said they would, but I didn’t REALLY think they would!
javabeans: He says that they have to either skip one meal or eat lightly or make it out of things they already have. He interviews that he feels bad to be the one telling them they can’t eat something, but he feels the responsibility of his treasurer position to make sure they stay on budget. We see clips of him throughout the trip constantly worrying about the cost of everything, and when he hands over an envelope of all the receipts they’ve amassed thus far, the PD laughs, “This is the first time someone’s given us this!”
girlfriday: It would’ve been nice to see this earlier on, because it seemed like they were spending so willy-nilly. On their way out of lunch, one of the staffers belatedly realizes that she threw away the little butter knife that the boys have been using to cook with, and they demand the crew pay for the memories associated with the knife, which are priceless. They eventually bargain down to one meal, and figure it’s a win.
javabeans: Lol, that lost knife might keep them from going hungry. I’m glad they aren’t above guilting the staff. They finally arrive at their lodgings, their last night before making it to Victoria Falls tomorrow. From the brief preview, it looks like it’ll be a day of extreme sports.
girlfriday: Are people swimming at the very top of the waterfall, right up to the edge? You can do that??
javabeans: But you… could… die…
girlfriday: I guess that’s why it’s named Devil’s Pool? So that there are no surprises in case you die?
javabeans: That evening, the boys get revved up cooking dinner outside their guesthouse, pouring cans of tomato sauce into their one and only pot… before asking the question, “How do we cook the noodles?” Blank stares all around.
girlfriday: HAHAHA. I won’t lie. I’ve lived that moment before.
javabeans: They have to resort to pouring the tomato sauce back into the cans so they can boil the pasta, heh. Jae-hong cracks me up: He comments that dinner might not taste great, and Bo-gum says in a quiet voice that everything he’s made has been good so far. And Jae-hong acts modest but directs, “Say it louder.”
girlfriday: As with most of Jae-hong’s dishes, it somehow ends up looking right by the end, and they eat it up and even cook up a second batch of sauce to eat with bread.
javabeans: There are only three spots to sleep in a bed, so Bo-gum offers to sleep on the ground instead of Jae-hong, insisting that he’s comfortable that way. Jae-hong calls him on the bluff, saying Bo-gum can sleep on the ground while he sleeps in the car (leaving one bed empty), but Bo-gum has a hard time accepting the bed.
girlfriday: Bo-gum insists that the hyungs do everything and he’s done nothing on this whole trip, except we see him clean up after every meal and sleep in the car every night.
javabeans: The PD points that out too, but there’s no convincing Bo-gum that he’s as useful as they say. Aw. Then again, he does seem exceptionally sorry for everything, like his car being too small for his kidnappers.
girlfriday: That was the best. He’d have offered them tea and crackers if he could.
javabeans: He did, he totally offered them beverages!
girlfriday: Aw, Jae-hong must just be a caretaker by nature. He notices that Joon-yeol has fallen asleep without a chance to wash up, and goes over to wash his feet for him while he sleeps.
javabeans: He’s very sweet, and definitely the one who’s always aware of the situation and trying to find little ways to make things comfortable. Aw, did Kyung-pyo and Jae-hong both end up sleeping on the floor? I find that hilarious and sweet. I feel like with enough liquor, we could’ve seen a situation where they all declared they’d sleep on the floor together and left all the beds empty.
girlfriday: That would’ve been hilarious. They wake up super early to make the long drive across the border, and when Joon-yeol starts off the day by giving a long tour-bus speech into his walkie-talkie, Na PD shouts back, “Let’s GO!”
javabeans: Ha, that’s a great punchline moment. It’s a four-hour drive till they arrive at the border, leaving Namibia for Botswana, and then Zimbabwe. It’s a lot of checkpoints and border crossings today.
girlfriday: Yeah there’s a whole lot of driving and stopping and running and stamping and running again.
javabeans: Finally they arrive at Victoria Falls by the evening, and everyone’s excited about all the activities available — except Kyung-pyo, who’s done the math and realizes they can’t afford everything. I hope somebody’s watched 1N2D and knows to make deals with Na PD for things!
girlfriday: I know. All you have to do is threaten to turn off the cameras! He’ll cave to anything, really.
javabeans: They lack the stonewalling sternness of Seojinnie, though, who totally would just sit back and refuse to do anything until the crew paid for it. I still laugh thinking of that time he led the halbaes in saying, “We don’t have to see this. Let’s just go” and the staff hastily bought tickets. And Seung-gi would just find a game to play for allowance rights.
girlfriday: It’s why they’re good at variety. At least for today, the boys only have to pay to get in and see the falls, so we haven’t run out of money yet.
javabeans: The view really is amazing, and jaws drop to see their first glimpse of the falls. We’ve seen waterfalls on this show before, but this is on a different level.
girlfriday: Yeah no kidding. It already looks huge from the ground, but the view from the helicam shows that it stretches on and on.
javabeans: It makes them speechless and happy, and they get increasingly giddy as they continue along, getting drenched by the spray.
girlfriday: They chase the end of the rainbow and jump around in a group hug, endlessly excited, and then follow the trail all the way to the edge of the waterfall, jaws permanently dropped in amazement.
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Tags: Ahn Jae-hong, featured, Go Kyung-pyo, Park Bo-gum, Ryu Joon-yeol, Youths Over Flowers
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1 rachel
March 19, 2016 at 8:11 PM
AWESOME! thanks for the recap!
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2 cupkate
March 19, 2016 at 8:19 PM
yay it's here! Thanks guys...
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3 seoqueen
March 19, 2016 at 8:47 PM
Aw, I'm sad that the boys have been criticized, but they are the youngest group to be on the show (like Jae Hong and Bo Gum said) so it's no wonder that they are lacking here and there.
I feel you about there being something amiss with this season. Javabeans said it perfectly about how it just seems like they're just following four boys on a road trip.
Perhaps because most of them are semi-new to the industry - especially in a variety setting, they don't seem to have that variety factor. And to be honest, the long road trips in Africa with like nothing in sight also adds to the yawn factor.
Thanks for the recap. I especially enjoyed reading your comments and observations on the series.
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bjharm
March 19, 2016 at 10:41 PM
as said they are young and pretty much got up to what most people thier age would on a holiday, the blame if any lays squarely on the production side for allowing it to air. The guys may not have know enough to understand what a back lash could happen but the production staff certainly did, and decided to air it anyway, no doubt hoping it would increase interest in the show, but in doing so they took a risk with the cast future, something that for me should not be just passed over.
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Kaylie
March 20, 2016 at 12:33 AM
I don't understand though, why are people criticizing YOF for airing the boys taking off their underwear in the pool when the Iceland boys did the same in the hot spring? It's not as if they peed in it or something. It's just young men having fun isn't it. It's quite common among my male friends at least.
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saranga
March 20, 2016 at 1:36 AM
i think because there's a difference between swimming in nature (sea, lake, hot springs) and a public pool. few people would expect one to shower before jumping in a lake or the ocean, but it's different for a public pool that needs to be kept as sanitary as possible. there's already a lot of chlorine in those things, but many pools already ask you to shower off before entering anyway.
and also, this was a hotel pool where they were skinny dipping in broad daylight, and other guests were around. if it was private house pool, i'd agree that they could do whatever they wanted, but in this case many people thought it was a little thoughtless and inconsiderate.
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Danielle
March 20, 2016 at 3:15 AM
+2
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Kween Ramyeon
March 20, 2016 at 10:36 AM
Most of the time, people are asked to shower off to remove excess sun lotion which creates a film on the water surface, or excessive sand, which sinks to the bottom of the pool and is unsightly.
Taking off one's pants in the pool doesn't make it more unsanitary, as there's no way swimming pants can hold in any bacteria either as they're porous anyway. Basically, if there's any cooties in your booties - they're free flowing, but that's the point about chlorine - it's meant to kill off any of these anyway.
As for the skinny dipping - I imagine from how it's reported, it only happened for a short period. It may be a bit of a "whoa" to guests but there's no permanent damage really. It's not like hotel guests don't often walk into a sauna or steam room to find someone totally butt naked, unexpectedly. Sure, there's less likelihood in the pool, but I'd imagine most people would be on holiday and shrug as they drink their cocktails, and just leave it to hotel staff to tell them to cut it out.
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choppy
March 20, 2016 at 12:00 PM
@Dramapanda - Sorry but there is no way you can excuse their behaviour at the pool. I totally understand the criticism they got. If I was travelling and saw this, I would be disgusted and likely call over hotel staff/security to get them kicked out. Other guests at hotel did not pay to see you skinny dip and use the pool like its your home. No matter how much a fan I am of them as actors…That behaviour would turn me off and is too much. Especially since they are celebs and with a video crew. Like hello? did they not think when they were doing that?
It also feeds into the stereotype of Asian tourists being mannerless, which ruins it for people like me who are Asian and like to travel.
Kween Ramyeon
March 21, 2016 at 6:05 AM
It doesn't bother me. What bothers me are the people who swarm buffets, taking huge plates of the expensive shrimp or crab, and basically leaving everyone else with nothing. Or the ones who get super drunk on airplanes and get rowdy and handsy. Or the ones who cause damage to property because of whatever reason.
Kween Ramyeon
March 21, 2016 at 6:09 AM
oops, pressed send accidentally...
Or those who are really ignorant and start treating local people terribly with racist comments, ordering staff around and making complaints just to act like big shots. Or those with children but don't monitor them at all - so the children are creating hazards all over the place but not taking responsibility for them.
With this kind of thing, however, it's only momentary and the hotel staff will just tell him to cut it out. There's no malice or permanent damage - so it's no biggie.
Star
March 20, 2016 at 1:48 AM
+1
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chups
March 20, 2016 at 2:31 AM
this is the first youth over flowers season i've watched, and find myself anticipating the release every episode.
don't really get what is lacking yet.
as much as it's a variety show, it's also a travel program, and the places they have shown stirs a lot of excitement despite the casts not showing variety factors, like negotiating with the staff.
They are young and new to variety, they are not veteran like seung gi who knows how to get his way with na pd.
but yea, the wearing of bathrobes and stripping in the pool was a little inconsiderate of the other guests around.
i hope the boys are doing ok with the criticism though.
that these negative comments won't scar their adventure memories.
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autumn
March 20, 2016 at 7:53 AM
I understand the criticisms tho. I heard quite a number of unfavorable impressions of Korean tourists.
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dramamama
March 20, 2016 at 8:09 AM
I'm not sure about the youngest group on the show. We have two 29 year olds, one 25, and one 22. When the Reply 1994 boys went on their trip two were around 29/30 yrs old and Baro was 21. It is around the same. I think it depends on the dynamics of the group. Yeon-Seok was clearly the leader in that show and kept a good grip and all of their activities. Here we just have four boys ready for some fun. I agree that some of the things they did were immature, but they will learn from this experience.
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Mamanim
March 21, 2016 at 5:41 AM
Agreed, I don't really buy the 'they're too young to know better' excuse when a couple of them are pushing thirty - it's pretty ridiculous lol.
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4 nudge
March 19, 2016 at 8:48 PM
Awww... Jae Hong is such a mommy. He is so sweet when he cleaned Jun Yeol's feet. Such a great friend.
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5 Linda
March 19, 2016 at 9:21 PM
I usually really enjoy your recaps but this time your tone is slightly negative. I don't think you mean to, but you sound just like the media calling the boys entitled and thoughtless.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
March 19, 2016 at 9:31 PM
But they ARE a little thoughtless. They were in a pool, not in the sea, so pantyless was not the way to go, if there was a lottle consoderarion for others. Going to places and hoping to receive kindness without a backup -basically if seen in another, extremely negative way, it's twisting people's arm and demanding for hospitality holding other party's faces or kindness-reputation especially when there's a camera crew with them - is not very cute. But they're not big mistakes so there's no need to grill and fry them for it. Some chiding is fine. And everyone including the restaurant staff had fun, so all's well.
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globetrotter
March 20, 2016 at 12:13 AM
I completely agree. I am a HUGE fan of R88 and all the four boys. But roaming the hotel in a bathrobe, bluntly asking local restaurants for their kitchen, etc is thoughtless. The real blame lies on the production team for letting it all air, when the problematic portions could have easily been edited out.
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ok
March 20, 2016 at 5:48 AM
Even though they are young and still inexperienced with travelling, they should not have taken their undies off in the public pool. When i saw that particular scene i had to wonder why in the world they would even want to do that. Its not a korean sauna boys please don't. Not everyone wants to see a bunch of naked guys chasing each other around. Its just weird. And yes boys will be boys, but i hope they learn from this that their are things that are acceptable and things that are not. If americans went to korea and started taking their underwear off in the public pool I'm sure lots of koreans would be upset too.
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autumn
March 20, 2016 at 7:56 AM
I think its good that it was pointed out. That's just to say that people still mind good manners. :)
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Kei
March 22, 2016 at 12:38 AM
I haven't watched the episode yet since I'm waiting for the subs but I heard the recap. Well, I think that if I were a guest in the hotel, I would be taken aback too. And move on to the feeling that 'Nah.. I don't mind. They're cute." LOL.
Well, at least that will be a lesson to our boys and hope that they aren't scarred. I still adore them.
Kaylie
March 20, 2016 at 12:37 AM
Actually, when I was watching it, I found it extremely heartwarming that the Africans were being so warm and helpful to them, like the friendly restaurant staff. I didn't perceive it in a negative light at all because it showed a very nice side of Africa.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
March 20, 2016 at 1:32 AM
Yeah, I thought that too and I'm not talking about you but some people are grinch-es. But not everyone has the same value system and that's fair.
Like, many western tour guides tell me that the Japanese are the most considerate people ever while some people find their good manners too rigid and stifling. *shrugs*
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t13ndoank
March 20, 2016 at 3:51 AM
Me too. In this day and age, I think it is something so refreshing and heartwarming to see how local people lend their hands at these strangers/tourists/travelers. It is specially meaningful after the boys' encounter with that scary One Lady.
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ok
March 20, 2016 at 5:39 AM
It is nice to see the locals be nice and understanding to a group of ignorant foreigners.
deyaa
March 19, 2016 at 11:51 PM
Come on. Iam Junyeol fans but I admit they're thought less at times. maybe because they're youth and new to variety ..most of them are the first time in variety. Why felt offended?? They're not angels. Critic them is not a sin.
I don't understand why they didn't bought icebox and firewood in the first place. How could you put the meat in that heat weather ...in the car no less.
If they went to Europe it's easy for them to find fast food restaurants... But here Africa and 4 nights camping. How can't anyone thought that ...lmao. Don't treat the actor as if they're God. As long as not stupid mistakes
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ok
March 20, 2016 at 5:51 AM
+1
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Elena
March 20, 2016 at 1:58 AM
Yeah, I do not quite understand the criticism. In my view, they were just doing what they thought was expected from them, including being "natural" and "thoughtless" sometimes.
What fun would have been if they decided to take control of everything?? If they had taken care of how they look in front of the cameras all the time and organize every step of the trip they were thrown into, people would have said that they are boring and calculating...
I don't know, but I think if I was "kidnapped" and sent to Africa with a TV production team, I would assume that we can take things as they come and try to "survive" in a fun way. In the end, you are not the one in charge of the whole group, isn't it? I guess I do not understand the concept of the show?... Maybe the boys were too inexperienced with variety to know what they were supposed to do, but I can understand them perfectly :)
To me, if things did not work, it is more the responsibility of the production team because they were not able to give the show the shape that was intended. I cannot believe that these boys are not good material for something like Youths over flowers, maybe they got lazy thinking that the boys would do everything...
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doobodoo
March 20, 2016 at 6:19 AM
they are young and reckless. They just got famous like 5 minutes ago. Other YOF has some level of experience in the industry. They know what's acceptable for broadcast and how to act accordingly. Not saying that it's a bad thing for the R88 kids to act like youths but it seems that they don't put a lot of thoughts in their actions. I love them lots but sometimes they are just thoughtless. Asking to borrow a kitchen AND eating at the restaurant where they didn't buy anything? That's embarrassing and thank goodness for the filming crew and the kindness of the people working there.
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mikys
March 22, 2016 at 5:32 AM
Why all the negativity? It's like none of you have ever traveled or backpacked in a foreign country with little or no money. The adventure is meeting stranger who help. I've done that and met many backpackers with little or nothing and the joy is in meeting them, becoming friendly, helping and hearing their stories.
They aren't ignorant, that's so negative. I see them as young men in a place they've never been and experiencing the kindness I hope all people can show.
Who cares if the aren't perfect, are we perfect?
I've loved their adventure and they happiness and gratefulness they show.
The kindness and love they've shown each other is so sweet.
Let's just enjoy it, this is Youth and we shouldn't be so quick to judge.
By the way Dramabeans, You Rock My World!! Hugs and Kisses to all of you,
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6 ferry
March 19, 2016 at 9:33 PM
hai..
can you tell me, where sites i can see this video.
thank you
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7 Samantha Reed
March 19, 2016 at 9:40 PM
I want to apologize in advance if I sound dumb or ignorant, but this is something that has been giving me some food for thought lately and I would greatly appreciate some perspective in the matter.
I understand celebrities having to be careful with their images, because that is universal to all countries, and I also understand that somethings that aren't offensive in my country, can be offensive in other countries.
However, lately I've been reading more Korean Celebrity news and it seems like every other day there's a celebrity apologizing for something. Is this common practice there?
And sometimes is for things that seem a little out there for me, like the other day I saw a news of a singer (I think it was TOP) apologizing to fans for dropping a cigarette butt in their presence? And I also saw the news of a female singer who went to a concert and complained because a fan was obstructing her view (uploading a photo of said fan, where you only see her shadow really) and then deleting said photo. She also ended up apologizing for that, and it seemed to me like she was apologizing for having an opinion.
Maybe if someone explains this to me better, I will understand it (especially since I am relatively new to Korean everything with only being introduced to dramas and kpop last year.)
I appreciate anyone's inside into why it seems so widespread to be apologizing so much to the public.
On the other hand, thank you for recapping these episodes . I am having a hard time finding them subbed, so these recaps really help me understand the finer details of the episode.
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mhineey
March 19, 2016 at 10:49 PM
I agree with you, in my country we don't need to apologize for everything.
I know, it's Korean culture, but let's we look at their (four dude in road trip) own perspective , they are young, of course it's reckless. I know celebrities need to be wise, but they are trying to be fun and enjoy their trip.
In my country, their ways is the way how people enjoy the trip, they show that they are really enjoy their trip being free.
I think for all season of youth over flowers, they are the best one. Maybe because their chemistry. Even they looks like real friend of sangmundong than the boys in reply 1994 trip in Laos.
Overall, thanks for your recap, because I can't find the video as soon as you can do
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Xingii
March 19, 2016 at 10:55 PM
Yep it's pretty common practice for celebs to be apologising for things. It's pretty much, damned if they do, or damned if they don't. The criticism can go both ways, either the apology wasn't "good enough" or if they do stay silent, people are demanding "where is the apology? How shameless"
It's fairly rare for people to be fully satisfied with the actions of a celeb in a situation where they kind of "should" apologise for.
Public image means absolutely everything, even the smallest thing could smear their career with negativity. I find that Korean netizens never forget, in that if something happens to a celeb, they'll be investigating and digging up past incidents. Like "remember that time when ........." etc.
Korean entertainment is such a harsh place. It takes some really mentally strong willed people to stick with it. Celebs feeling depressed due to this harsh public criticism is unfortunately more common than it should be.
Anyway, I hope you're enjoying Kpop and dramas so far. It's obviously not all glitz and glamour and it does have a dark side, but the lighter side & entertainment value is a lot of fun. Welcome. :)
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ratsuki
March 19, 2016 at 11:40 PM
You didn't sound dumb or ignorant. Actually I reminded that I too had felt the same as you back then, but now I think jadedness had got to me.
This issue is something that shouldn't be common, but sadly occur more and more often as of late. I think it's mixture of the advancement of technolgy, the way medias work over there, and Korea's society standard. There are a lot places where netizens can get and spread information easily these days, like pann, nate, fancafes etc. Combine that with over-eagerness of media to report every single little bits about celebrities, and things can be blown out of proportion really fast. Celebrities also being held to high society standard, since they are supposed to be "role model", so if their toes get out of line even just a tiny bit, they criticized harshly. Netizens/public feel entitled for that apologies. Especially in Korea, where social hierarchy, group mentality, and certain qualities like humility are held in high regard.
Of course, Not all Koreans are like that. I'm certain there are a lot who think differently. It's just there also exist this very vocal group in society who demands that apology, so celebrities give it less they get bashed with hate. Netizens/public do hold power after all (sad case like Tablo came to mind, or Tzuyu (her problem wasn't with knetz but still)).
Sorry for this wall of text. And this is my personal opinion/observation. There sure are others who can speak about this matter better than me.
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8 lemondoodle
March 19, 2016 at 10:04 PM
tbh, I think Na PD shows have been kind of stale for awhile. This show had sky high ratings to start with, but lost half it's audience already. I also watched the first episode and haven't watched much after that. I don't find it as mind numbing as 3MAD, but... yeah, Na PD might need a nap. As for being thoughtless, they are young cute guys. They'll recover just fine.
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9 mariazzang
March 19, 2016 at 10:21 PM
I have opposite view, because I think by far this is the most interesting Over Flowers season because of the exact same reason JB and GF thought this was their least favorite. "Four dudes in a roadtrip" is exactly why I like this season's trip to Africa. And for me, that is what a reality/docu/variety show is about. There are no manufactured storylines nor variety "personas" or "characters" to embody, but just the guys keeping it as real as much as they can. Well, of course, I'm sure this is not 100% real. It's a Na PD show after all.
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Denali
March 19, 2016 at 11:46 PM
+ 1
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t13ndoank
March 20, 2016 at 12:27 AM
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Ni
March 20, 2016 at 1:13 AM
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She
March 20, 2016 at 4:58 AM
+5... i agree. This is the most interesting yof from all the series. In this yof, u can see all the boys not faking at all. Just na pd said they act like usual person not as celebrity which is always cautious with all they do...eventhough the rating decrease, but still the rating highest than the other yof...their friendship also pure, they do it with little action which i admire most. Like jh clean jy feet. Bogum put the lotion onto kp face n he did all the clean...jy sacrifice to drive more than 5 hours alone and kp sacrifice himself not to buy anythibg coz afraid of their budget. For that little things you can see how warmth they are. Wish all the ssangmundong brother will success in the future n growth become more successful n inspiring actor.
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butterscotch
March 20, 2016 at 1:48 AM
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Kim_Boong_Do
March 20, 2016 at 1:55 AM
+alpha
Also I felt this recap to be a little negative, which I believe wouldn't have been if was no criticism towards the last episode. Till the last recap, they were full of praises for this season and how fun the boys were. But this recap seemed to be the complete opposite of all the previous recaps. I love this site and recaps a lot. But I didn't enjoy this one so much. I still love Dramabeans though.
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rhienz
March 20, 2016 at 2:11 AM
+ alpha, too..
Yes, too long intro that full of criticism and negativity.
and it felt negative because of too much contradiction with what they praised and they said before.
and i'm not saying that the casts are saints and cant be criticized.
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t13ndoank
March 20, 2016 at 2:53 AM
++++
I guess the wind changes
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Ms. Auggie
March 20, 2016 at 6:37 AM
+2000
Totaly agree. They choose to be as care free as posible and I love them. Isn't that variety is about? Lack of traveling preparation, nude joke in public pool, or bathrobe in the hotel show how they dont care about image building, and i like it. It
Gummyseok
March 20, 2016 at 8:30 AM
I also thought the same thing and was quite surprised about how their views from the last episode have totally changed. They didn't seem to think of the boys as thoughtless/boring/lacking warmth then. But then why continue watching it if it's so
unenjoyable?
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rhienz
March 20, 2016 at 2:12 AM
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silentkecik
March 20, 2016 at 3:06 AM
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mashimomo
March 21, 2016 at 10:33 AM
Adding to the chorus as well. I think this is a very real portrayal of a group of guys traveling together, but maybe not good for variety TV. Not 100% real but you can tell there's not a lot of pretense on their behavior and very carefree attitudes, too much that it can be careless at times. I have to admit as well that I may be blinded by my love for these boys, but I don't understand the comment that this series lacks "warmth" since they do genuinely look out for each other.
I saw that they already had filmed their wrap-up get together back in Seoul, so it would be interesting to hear their opinion of the show from their perspective. I will definitely miss seeing our Mundongie boys together after this series!
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bintang
March 22, 2016 at 9:00 AM
+alpha ^^
This is definitely the best YOF season for me.I always anticipated new episodes every week compared to other seasons. But i didn't like this article much. I only read this to understand a few things that they were saying because i can only find the raw of this episodes. but then i find that the comments (by jb and gf) is harsh. Whatever. I will just be replaying this series over and over again and enjoy how this four brothers having fun on a wonderful trips they had together. Haters gonna hate.
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10 Yanca
March 19, 2016 at 10:33 PM
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11 earthna
March 19, 2016 at 10:38 PM
I guess we've been spoiled by the warmth of the four stones. Those guys are just too natural and genuine for variety. Also, it seems like there's not much for the Africa guys to do except drive and cook food. I seriously felt so embarrassed whenever they ask if they can cook food in someone else's kitchen. I was like omg seriously? no no no the whole time.
Jaehong is so adorable and I really wanna see him in a cooking show. Is thee Fishing Village available anywhere with eng subs?
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wapz
March 19, 2016 at 11:08 PM
I agree, the four stones were best. Btw did you find the English subtitles for the Iceland trip?
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earthna
March 20, 2016 at 8:35 AM
No. I don't think it's been subbed anywhere.
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jellybine
March 24, 2016 at 5:53 AM
Are there no subs for other YOF series? OMG. Thank heavens for the love of these boys that I can watch YOF Africa subbed (though I have to wait for weeks)
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deyaa
March 20, 2016 at 12:01 AM
The stone strongth point is not the chemistry... Because that's also the afrika boys strongth point. Their strength point is they don't know anything but they were lucky to be sent to Europe where you can easily find anything. I can't imagine if they sent to afrika with no knowledge about traveling and without junyeol too
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t13ndoank
March 20, 2016 at 12:27 AM
So agree with that
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12 Chiisan
March 19, 2016 at 10:55 PM
I might have been blinded by love, but I really enjoy YOF Iceland and Africa more than the previous ones. I feel like Joonyeol, Jaehong, Kyungpo, and Bogummy are great guys to be friends with IRL.
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13 kash
March 19, 2016 at 10:56 PM
I actually found this season of the show to be quite nostalgic, having spent my childhood in Zambia and seeing the Victoria Falls every year. It is an unparalleled experience, and each side (Zimbabwean side and Zambian side) has views that are amazing in their own ways. The boys' sense of wonder and awe at the Falls really made me nostalgic.
As far as the boys' behaviour was concerned, in some ways I feel like they are the ones who really shed their celebrity images and were being just four boys on a road trip. It might also be a rookie-still-getting-used-to-being-a-celebrity thing. Do I think it's wise to go around in your bathrobes in the hotel? Not at all. It's just plain embarrassing. But there probably are people who have done it, just without the courtesy of a camera documenting their every move. As for taking off underwears underwater, that is a game that happens every time the Running Man members play water games. But I guess that's allowed because it's in a controlled environment? Then again, I've noticed that Korean viewers are more conservative and stricter regarding these things, so this criticism seems to fit. Frankly, I'm just more worried about them getting food poisoning from the way they don't care about food hygiene.
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14 Fan
March 19, 2016 at 11:30 PM
Maybe it's just Junyeol who doesn't fit the reality show image. He's quick, experienced, and basically so capable. But as a fan, I love to see that person(actor) I stan is quick, experienced, and basically capable.
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15 erika04
March 19, 2016 at 11:47 PM
I love BG and excited for this trip but after ep 2 I lost interest and I don't know why it gets bored. The best one is the iceland boys.makes me want to visit that place.the cast makes me want to go there because they seems so fun.I don't know what s wrong with this africa one but yeah ythey turn me off and they have my fave guys in it.
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deyaa
March 20, 2016 at 12:04 AM
Well don't blame the boys then. Iceland and is Europe and the boys forth and back Reykjavik in one day. The afrika boys practically drive like 5 days from Windhoek to Victoria falls.
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deyaa
March 20, 2016 at 12:08 AM
Yes. .they can't drive on night due to safety issue (animal can be anywhere) so they only drive under the sun. And viewers only said "ahhh it's boring"... Not to mention that Iceland boys are zero knowledge about English and traveling but Namibian boys have Junyeol.
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16 t13ndoank
March 20, 2016 at 12:23 AM
I give them some slack for running out of food because I think there weren't many shops available on their way to their destination. As we can see, it was mostly empty roads and plains all the way. Of course they could buy more every time they shopped for groceries, but they didn't have storage to keep the food. Iceboxes might be expensive, so they just pressed their luck hoping the meat wouldn't go bad.
It was my first YoF that I watch faithfully (I just followed the Iceland series from the recaps), and I think it was just great. Especially because it gives me a chance to see their real colors.
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17 cheekbones
March 20, 2016 at 1:12 AM
I didn't watch Reply 1988 nor did I read the recaps. But I'm watching YoF : Africa faithfully and I'm falling for Joon Yeol.
I also read that headline that he just celebrated his 1st debut anniversary. He's 31 years old, so anyone can tell me what he did before debuting as an actor a year ago ?
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saranga
March 20, 2016 at 1:26 AM
he shot a movie called socialphobia, and i think he mentioned that he's done a few more indie movies as well, though i'm guessing none very famous.
on the show he mentioned having studied film in college, considered becoming a director (when they were filming themselves running on the sand dunes), and he's also worked a variety of part-time jobs. he mentioned that he didn't really start earning money until he turned 30.
but i'm also not too clear on what he's done in between those years. four years of college, 2 years for army, so that leaves four or five years of i guess trying to jump start his acting career?
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cheekbones
March 20, 2016 at 4:06 AM
I also thought he might work in the film industry suitable with his degree, but not necessarily as an actor.
I was just a little bit surprised that his official debut as an actor was only a year ago. What a ride, indeed.
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nudge
March 20, 2016 at 1:57 AM
I heard/read that he was studying something else initially and only belatedly realised what he really wants to do. Of course then he studied filming and acting in college and did a lot of short films before finally debuted in big screen with socialphobia in 2015
Check out eyes on ryu tumblr page. An international fan page for Jun Yeol. http://eyesonryu.tumblr.com There got a lot informations about him <3
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cheekbones
March 20, 2016 at 4:06 AM
Thanks for the info and link. :)
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18 saranga
March 20, 2016 at 1:22 AM
i share similar sentiments about this season as well, though my reason is that i feel like this particular cast is extremely camera conscious—they've openly wondered about how the footage will be edited and presented. as a result, some of their actions seem to be somewhat tailored for the cameras. for example, i just feel like they don't need to hurrah or cheer over every little thing. you don't really do that, not for EVERY little thing in real life. i was extremely excited for this season to air, but by episode 3 i was already skimming.
in fact, last week i couldn't even find the part where they wore their bathrobes to breakfast, despite trying several times. i saw the previews of it in episode 3. the skinny dipping thing was definitely senseless. in fact, i was pretty surprised. you don't do that in a public pool, in broad daylight, where people are around. and you also never just jump into a pool without having showered off first. it's common sense. this cast might be young, but they're not THAT young, except maybe park bo-gum.
their intentions are good—i'm guessing all of this just comes from a good place where they want the show to be a success and are just trying to be helpful by being sure to capture good footage, etc. but sometimes i feel like overall they're not quite as natural as they could be.
minus go kyung-pyo, i'm very fond of the other three, but i agree that na pd's formula is pretty familiar by now. any future youths trips could use a twist. or maybe it's time for a new halbaes or noonas trip!
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XiaXiaXia
March 20, 2016 at 3:20 AM
Same about Kyung-pyo. There's just something about him that feels off idek
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Awiini
March 20, 2016 at 3:43 AM
Same sentiment about GKP, I just don't know why I cant warm up to him but I love the rest of them, especially Jung Bong!
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lemondoodle
March 20, 2016 at 4:37 AM
I seriously don't get the they are young excuse. They played high school kids on TV, but two of them are over 30. One supposedly with travel experience. Laos trip were the same age. I guess a better word would be inexperienced in variety
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sammi
March 21, 2016 at 5:09 PM
I kept thinking that if the cast is older, the feedback would've been much more drastic.
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Chiisan
March 20, 2016 at 6:52 PM
I agree with what you said about the bathrobes and pool incident, but there are reasons for them being camera conscious. The boys were spending most hours of their day driving and they had to capture all the roadside wonder themselves because the crew wasn't with them in the car. I actually liked that film student Joonyeol made good use of the Gopro when he went sandboarding. Boy that was fun!
The Kamsahada cheer, like their positive attitude, is pretty infectious tbh.
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sammi
March 21, 2016 at 5:08 PM
Yes, I agree. I can't believe some people are giving them a free pass just because they're young and hot. If an older cast (middle age men) did this, they would've been heavily criticized. I can't understand the double standard for rude behavior in a foreign country. I don't know if they boys felt they can do that because they're in a third world country or what. But it felt extremely disrespectful and crass, and I did felt uncomfortable and surprised at those scenes.
I know that fans of the drama would be very defensive about them being criticized, but for once, I think it's a reasonable criticism. I thought DB and GF were being very lenient and understanding about them. Those folks who disagree should've known from the first paragraph that the tone isn't going to be all praise.
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19 gummi
March 20, 2016 at 1:59 AM
Been waiting for this episode recap, but i kinda sad after reading the comments, but still thanks for the recap ;) you guys work hard ;) uhm.. I just wanna share my though too, i hvbeen watching PD's Na program since 1n2d era, even there is no sub, and i find that we cant compare the one and another cause every trip have different goals and difficulty, and this four guys cant be soejuni oppa cause there is no one who have work with pd na before (i mean soejoni oppa is close with pd na and the crew so he can be like that) so are seunggi, this four guys have to go to victoria fall that means they must traveling across the country not the same with four stones that they can easily find hotels and marts around and no need for moving too far, this four guys never go to africa before so maybe they didnt know that the distination one to another is far and its not like in the city not like vietnam's team too cause they have to drive for the miles, and vietnam budy successfully using paypal so they can shop and not worry about money, and they crew not aware too about the incidents cause if they aware they will telling the guys first like at 1n2d there are some momment when pd yoo interference the member about some action that cant be air so they have to stop, and for borrow the kitchen its kinda okay for me because the restauran staff its saying okey too yeah maybe its because of the camera, but in my country you cant even enter restauran and mall if you carrying camera witho permission so the restauran staff have fully right to reject the guys but the fact they give the permission its because they are warm persons kind persons, and for the last sorry for the long comment and bad english ;)
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20 t13ndoank
March 20, 2016 at 2:49 AM
Somehow I thought I entered a wrong room.
Coz suddenly everything was put under microscope of manners and etiquete.
Where did the warm tone go?
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silentkecik
March 20, 2016 at 3:21 AM
This is one of the situations that I should just skip the comments section... but my love for those boys are too big. Hope they aren't take the netizen criticisms to heart. Just know that we make mistakes then we learn to live and move on.
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Kween Ramyeon
March 22, 2016 at 8:48 AM
There's a difference between "manners" and "propriety". Propriety is about rules and expected behaviour - and what we've got in this thread is a lot of superior sniffing about lack of propriety. It's all very Jane Austen to turn one's nose up and talk about proper behaviour. And I've learnt a lot of Korean netizens seem to be all about that.
But it misses the point about manners - which is something else entirely, based on warmth and grace. True manners is when others make break your sense of propriety, but when you see there is no malice or damage, you're able to make them feel accepted and welcomed.
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21 Lilith
March 20, 2016 at 3:04 AM
I'm a latecomer to the Over Flowers series, only started watching them when YOF Iceland was airing its last couple of episodes and so far I've watched the seasons intermittently over a few days in this order:
YOF Iceland -> GOF France -> GOF Taiwan -> YOF Peru (decided to drop it halfway as I feel bored watching it) -> YOF Laos -> NOF (currently still in the midst of watching)
I watch YOF Africa whenever the new episode airs, but I'm starting to feel like dropping it too. It could be the cast or the roadtrip, or the editing, or a combination of them I don't know, maybe it's too "real". Some people may like it but I'm not one of them, I can experience all that realness myself by going on a backpacking trip with my friends. When I watch a tv variety I want something that can engage me with laughs and some occasional touching moments. Speaking of which, that's probably why I prefer YOF Laos and Iceland the most out of all the Over Flower series I've watched so far, Laos have all those bromance skinships with Yoo Yeon Seok outsmarting the staff and Iceland have the four stones with their randomness and scrimping ways.
I'm still looking forward to new seasons of YOF though, maybe they can get previous cast members to go on new trips just like GOF, it would be fun to see how they do in another country.
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22 XiaXiaXia
March 20, 2016 at 3:24 AM
I really liked Na PD during his 1N2D days and the early GOF but ever since he edited JGS out of Fishing Village(?), I kinda lost respect for him. I'm not a JGS fan by any means but to cut him off completely and pretend like he never existed in the show? That's just...
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23 Awiini
March 20, 2016 at 3:43 AM
Can't wait for fnsubs, thanks.
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24 Nanin
March 20, 2016 at 3:45 AM
Thanks for the recap girls!!
"Maybe, because it’s sort of the way 1N2D dipped after he stepped away, even with the same cast and setup."
I would just like to say that 1N2D did in fact went downhill went NA PD left, S2 was all over the place. But with the current season, S3 helmed by NA PD's hoobae - Yoo Ho Jin PD- it fells like it's right back on the track. Current 1n2d is amazing and I hoped you were still recapping it. But, I understand why you aren't. :)
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possey33
March 20, 2016 at 3:13 PM
+1 Loving current 1n2d so much. JongMin <3
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25 Sangay
March 20, 2016 at 4:05 AM
I felt totally bored by this particular season. Many reasons to that.
1, last season was fantastic. So getting onto this season so fast, the huge contrast is too big a gap.
2, even for rookies, I can't fathom how they can be so 'carefree' or 'thoughtless' about planning. Be it fire wood, knife, going to a restaurant in bathrobes. Really reminds me of what people say about artists being so protected till going to a bank or ATM to deposit or get money is foreign to them. Rookies they may be, but ouch, they are not a bunch of 10 yr old kids.
3, Na PD seems off duty for this season. Editing seems so not his style.
So so looking forward to another season of seo-jinnie n the halbaes.
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26 kit
March 20, 2016 at 4:28 AM
Huh. I got turned off Iceland because I watched the first two and they seemed so hopeless and embarrassing. I only watched the previous episode of this season, which was a breath of fresh air due to having Joonyeol who actually seemed like he knew what he was doing.
The things you guys have pointed out, I probably would've found frustrating too ... but now I can't be sure because reading comments always skews my perspective on things, almost as if I won't ever know what I would've thought.
I sometimes get surprised when reading recaps for shows here, especially Na PD's ones on here, because there seem to be a couple of veiled comments in between praises but nothing particular, and then there's one particular episode where the comments are much more negative, and so I have to change my expectation of what the previous episodes were like too. Not a judgement at all, just a bit strange. I do wonder - do you guys definitely feel the same negativity but try to brush it off until it gets too big to handle, or does new information change your old perspective?
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27 globetrotter
March 20, 2016 at 5:00 AM
At the YOF Africa press conference, Na PD specifically stated that he took a backseat with YOF Iceland/Africa. He said that he left the direct supervision mostly to other PDs during the trips, and that the episodes are edited in quarters amongst 4 PDs. I have a strong suspicion this is why Iceland/Africa has lost the 'Na PD' flavour.
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28 Kyuli99
March 20, 2016 at 5:33 AM
I'm very sad looks all coment about them .. and i dissagree with your opinion. I really enjoy they trip and i'm support them
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29 fatraspberry
March 20, 2016 at 5:42 AM
I can't deny this edition is different with the previous season. the Iceland one makes me feel warm and happy inside after watching it and I don't get the same vibes from this season. well having Ryu Junyeol on my screen is still a happiness, especially seeing how capable and quick he is in everything he does, but it's just not the Youth Over Flowers I used to watch. if the Iceland one was 50% travel 50% fun (including the heartwarming stories and hilarious scenes), this season is 80% travel 20% fun I guess. but well I still very much enjoy watching the show.. can't wait to see Junyeol and Bogum bungee jump scenes!
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30 faith
March 20, 2016 at 7:09 AM
i wonder why you continue recapping this series if you found it not up to your standard.. it never stop you before..
by the way, you guys ruin the recap by commenting on something that you can put below the actual recap and before that.
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faith
March 20, 2016 at 7:14 AM
sorry "not before that"
p/s: this 4 boys are great. they are not variety materials, but they make do.. pity that their hard work are ruined by high expectation by previous installment... i wonder if yoo yeon seok get the same treatment by the recapper as i recall that he is much capable than ryu jun yeol
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byuu
March 20, 2016 at 11:13 AM
i personally don't mind that people criticize them since what they did is indeed thoughtful. but what happen here? why are they recapping this episode in such a negative tone? and when they finally done with the critique they actually just continue with the same descending tone. it is such a turn off.
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faith
March 21, 2016 at 7:19 AM
right.. the condescending tone resonate this ep recap..
and they can actually separate the critic of the controversy in another thread ,like they do before, yet they combine the critic with the recap which ruin the the recap itself..
p/s those who defending Dramabeans writer, sometimes even they recapper deserve some critic even though they provide free recap to us..
p/s dont worry, the boys deserve to be critic, not going to say they are young or not
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31 nan
March 20, 2016 at 9:05 AM
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32 nan
March 20, 2016 at 9:05 AM
Thanks for the recap girls!!
"Maybe, because it’s sort of the way 1N2D dipped after he stepped away, even with the same cast and setup".
I would just like to say that 1N2D did in fact went downhill went NA PD left, S2 was all over the place. But with the current season, S3 helmed by NA PD's hoobae - Yoo Ho Jin PD- it fells like it's right back on the track. Current 1n2d is amazing and I hoped you were still recapping it. But, I understand why you aren't. :)
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33 Snowy
March 20, 2016 at 9:39 AM
The Reply 88 guys have the handicap of being sent to a ~continent~, not just one country. I bet if they were sent to a more urban place (no offense to Africa, it's a beautiful continent), they could get by easily and have more fun. But really, just because one of them is well-travelled, how can we expect them to know everything about camping? I admit they seemed to forget some basics but with a limited budget and basically not much time, it's bound to happen that they forget something to buy. It's very easy to be a "backseat driver" commenting about how stupid they are for not doing this, not buying that, but I bet if we are put in their situation, we will surely make some mistakes too.
I totally get some comments about their impropriety as I'm a bit of a grandma. But I guess these group can be described as having no variety show experience at all.
Off topic, I hope they make a Grandpa/Noona version with no prepation at all. The YOF series definitely have the disadvantage of just being thrown to a place without a chance of planning thoroughly.
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Snowy
March 20, 2016 at 9:42 AM
Preparation***
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34 Min
March 20, 2016 at 10:20 AM
Hi everyone!
I have created a playlist for YOF in Africa OST, the same as I did with the Iceland part. You can check the songs of the program in here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_OvKI3Xxz9a6CR0ZWBujDm6qaT_Lx1t1
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Chiisan
March 20, 2016 at 6:55 PM
You are da real MVP!
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35 anomaly
March 20, 2016 at 10:45 AM
Hahaha. I remember reading recaps of episode 4 and got the impression that you ladies enjoyed the pool scene. Now, you bashed it just because others did?
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36 DUMBO
March 20, 2016 at 2:49 PM
Dang, people get so emotional about opinions and criticism. Keep doing your thing Dramabeans. Your honest and straightforward writing and opinions are why I've been visiting this site for several years.
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37 dhielope
March 20, 2016 at 7:34 PM
Thanks for the recap. At least I can imagine their trip to Victoria Falls. Could anyone tell me where I can find the link to watch? Thank you in advance.
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38 megamomkck
March 22, 2016 at 8:33 AM
Enjoyed the recap. And I do agree that the pool and the restaurant issues were inappropriate. Doesn't matter to me that they are young and very nice people, because even young and nice people can make mistakes in Etiquette and it should be called out to some extent otherwise how would they ever learn?
Enjoy the recap and enjoyed all the comments and different opinions as well.
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39 HKIM2011
March 28, 2016 at 12:44 PM
This is the first time I'm hearing about criticism of the cast's behavior, and I'm surprised. I've actually enjoyed this season more than the other Youths over Flower seasons (with prior seasons, I usually drop them about 3 episodes in), partly because of the location shots and partly because of the cast.
I really like how these guys are more self-assured and, in a way, "western," than the other casts. I actually tend to cringe when I see Koreans on this show and in others going abroad and acting so polite and apologetic. I think in many western cultures, it serves one better to be confident and, to some extent, entitled (without being rude, of course). Maybe I've been living in New York City for too long, but being too nice and apologetic just gets people to treat you with less respect than they might have otherwise.
The guys on this trip were polite when they asked to use the restaurants' facilities, and they were very grateful after. And they were asking when there didn't seem to be other guests trying to eat at the time. I think that if the restaurant refused to let them use the kitchen, they would have been fine and found some other way to cook their food. But what's the harm in asking? And I thought the bathrobe thing was a bad idea, but more embarrassing than rude. And once the guys realized that going to breakfast in bathrobes isn't the thing to do (or maybe the show staff clued them in), they went back to their rooms to change. Lastly, the swimming area seemed deserted when they decided to do the no-underwear shot. They weren't coming out of the pool and diving in naked or anything. They were underwater and just held up their underwear. I guess I saw it as youthful high-spiritedness, and didn't see it as behavior that would cause such criticism.
I do understand that Koreans and viewers in some other Asian countries may see such behavior as rude, and the guys certainly shouldn't act like this in those cultures. But I think what's acceptable behavior does depend on the cultural context, and I don't see their behavior as being out of line with what I'd expect from other tourists in the places they're traveling. (I do admit that my experience with that part of the world is limited to South Africa, although I did encounter many people from other parts of Africa during my internship there.) I'm frankly surprised to read such critical reactions from international fans on this website.
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40 Peppy
November 3, 2016 at 10:09 AM
To be honest, I don't get why netizens were blowing off critical comments over them skinny dipping in the pool, well culture wise it could be shocking for others but it shouldn't get to the point where those 4 boys having fun would have to feel the need to limit whatever theyre doing to please everyone. It is a reality show anyway and there are no other guests in the pool in the first place and it wasn't like the cameras were angled so we can see clearly that all of them butt naked. If it were for hygenic purposes, removing your undies underwater doesn't change anything, your whole body would still be underwater whether you're wearing something or not. Their carelessness of thoughtlessness for me were considered as something genuine and showing that they aren't perfect and people shouldn't expect them to be
Maybe I'm just also new with watching youth over flowers but they mentioned that it was less fun because jun-yeol clearly knows a lot, but then at the same time complaining that they were thoughtless because of the icebox and the fire thing. It was kind of off at first And with them sitting on a restaurant wothout buying anything but we may just have seen a different perspective and we may just not realize that the staff had eaten there with it explaining the left overs.
Come on now. My thoughts are they are too much criticized with all those little things when we haven't even seen the bigger picture, and underappreciating how thoughtful each of them are throughout the show.
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